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Will Nadal or Djokovic reach 200+ weeks as no.1 in their careers?

fsoica
07-16-2012, 08:09 PM
What do you think? Will any of the mentioned duo do it? More, will any of them ever endanger Roger's ongoing record?

Fed fordawin
07-16-2012, 08:11 PM
LOL. No. They will have a shot at being a number 1 for the next 2 years, and then adios amigos.

HKz
07-16-2012, 08:41 PM
IMO they will end up with a similar amount of weeks, but I really doubt either will get over 200. But honestly, wrong time to ask. We don't know that what has transpired the past month or so is a sign of things to come or just an anomoly. This will be a much better question after the US Open is over. There we will be able to see if Rafa is truly struggling off clay and if Djokovic has somewhat reverted back to his old self because this certainly isn't 2011 Novak.

Allez
07-16-2012, 08:48 PM
The USO 2012 will answer a lot of these questions. My guess is the they will cancel each other out with Nole sweeping the hard court slams and Rafa doing the same on natural surfaces (though we do need to do something about this Rosol guy...).

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-16-2012, 08:55 PM
they have time on their side

its possible

i hope murray gets us open 2012

Crazy Girl
07-16-2012, 09:26 PM
Nole is ok- but I think no.

miscbrah
07-16-2012, 09:37 PM
The USO 2012 will answer a lot of these questions. My guess is the they will cancel each other out with Nole sweeping the hard court slams and Rafa doing the same on natural surfaces (though we do need to do something about this Rosol guy...).

you sound like uncle Toni

Litotes
07-16-2012, 09:42 PM
For Nadal, I think the ship has sailed. He looks to me to be declining. Even if not, it would be a surprise if he managed as many weeks post-26 as pre-26. Can't remember any significant #1 doing that except Agassi and his excuse was unusual and his total was lower.

Djokovic would also have to amass at least as many weeks post-26 as pre-26, so it looks unlikely. But if I was told one of them was going to do it my money would be on him.

manadrainer
07-16-2012, 10:02 PM
Well, they are still young, and I don't see anyone currently able to challenge them from the new generation, so who knows?

Maybe one of them will do it.

abraxas21
07-16-2012, 10:03 PM
maybe in the champions' tour if their knees hold up

Johnny Groove
07-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Probably not, but far from impossible.

Rafa is the GOAT
07-16-2012, 11:00 PM
The have the next 3/4 years to dominate
So lets both dominate 2 years of the 4
That 104 weeks
Rafa will then reach 200+ weeks but Nole will only come close

Fireballer
07-16-2012, 11:16 PM
difficult not impossible but If I had to bet no

Commander Data
07-17-2012, 10:02 AM
ask Nostradamus aka Everko.

analysist
07-17-2012, 10:14 AM
Looking at the younger generation, it maybe easier than people thought. IMO, one will eventually reach and one 'll be close.

duarte_a
07-17-2012, 10:19 AM
Looking at the younger generation, it maybe easier than people thought. IMO, one will eventually reach and one 'll be close.

This. I don't see any serious competition for #1 from the youngsters for the next 2/3 years.

Assuming Roger loses the #1 ranking later this year (just an assumption) there will be at least 104 weeks at rafole disposal, if not more.

I guess it will depend on how they share the time at #1.

P.S.: Of course I would love for Roger to mantain the #1 until the end of 2012 and until Wimbledon 2013. It's not that farfetched really.

Looner
07-17-2012, 10:21 AM
Nadal, maybe if Novak cannot hold onto the blue clay dominance ie hard courts. If Murray's balls grow a bit bigger and he acquires a consistent FH (not happening), he could pose a threat for at least one year.

Sophocles
07-17-2012, 10:28 AM
Unlikely. Nadal is declining & Djoker's motivation is flagging.

duarte_a
07-17-2012, 10:31 AM
Unlikely. Nadal is declining & Djoker's motivation is flagging.

Then who will step it up besides Roger?

sweetkit
07-17-2012, 10:38 AM
Unfortunately, I think Rafi's counter has settled already.

n8
07-17-2012, 10:53 AM
When you have 237 weeks at number two (Nadal), it's hard to have over 200 weeks at number one.

mark73
07-17-2012, 11:02 AM
When you have 237 weeks at number two (Nadal), it's hard to have over 200 weeks at number one.

Nadal is a great number two, same level as Chang.

Blathzer
07-17-2012, 11:03 AM
2 more years for nadal and 3 more years for djokovic means total 5 more years at the top of ranking ....unlikely!!

Also considering no one else will be on top of the ranking during that period.

Chase Visa
07-17-2012, 11:17 AM
It's doable but tricky.

Litotes
07-17-2012, 11:23 AM
When you have 237 weeks at number two (Nadal), it's hard to have over 200 weeks at number one.

Are you sure about 237? The ATP records page on Wikipedia says 241. I do not trust that one completely so I'm just checking to see if your stat is better.

Lendl is closest, he is given 139 weeks at #2. Amazingly, before 1999 he had most weeks as #1 AND most weeks as #2. Lendl thus still tops the "most weeks at top-2" list.

Litotes
07-17-2012, 11:24 AM
Nadal is a great number two, same level as Chang.

Chang is not at top-10 for most weeks at #2. Here is the list (according to Wikipedia, could be errors):

1. Rafael Nadal 241
2. Ivan Lendl 139
3. Boris Becker 136
4. John McEnroe 113
5. Björn Borg 105
6. Stefan Edberg 104
7. Roger Federer 92
8. Pete Sampras 90
9. Jimmy Connors 88
9. Andre Agassi 88

n8
07-17-2012, 11:58 AM
Are you sure about 237? The ATP records page on Wikipedia says 241. I do not trust that one completely so I'm just checking to see if your stat is better.

Lendl is closest, he is given 139 weeks at #2. Amazingly, before 1999 he had most weeks as #1 AND most weeks as #2. Lendl thus still tops the "most weeks at top-2" list.

The site I'm using for that stat may not have been updated recently. 241 is probably correct. I don't want to link the site as it's a great site and I don't want it to lose it reputation.

n8
07-17-2012, 12:01 PM
Chang is not at top-10 for most weeks at #2. Here is the list (according to Wikipedia, could be errors):

1. Rafael Nadal 241
2. Ivan Lendl 139
3. Boris Becker 136
4. John McEnroe 113
5. Björn Borg 105
6. Stefan Edberg 104
7. Roger Federer 92
8. Pete Sampras 90
9. Jimmy Connors 88
9. Andre Agassi 88

Yeah, but all those players ranked number one at some point. Chang might hold the record for a player who didn't rank number one. Chang has 49 weeks by the way, I just checked that using his ranking history on ATPWorldTour.com.

Litotes
07-17-2012, 12:22 PM
Yeah, but all those players ranked number one at some point. Chang might hold the record for a player who didn't rank number one. Chang has 49 weeks by the way, I just checked that using his ranking history on ATPWorldTour.com.

Certainly they did. Interesting about the Chang stat. I can think of no other "peak #2" with more weeks.

Becker is the closest competitor to Nadal for most weeks #2 subtracted weeks as #1, with 124 more as #2, but Nadal beats him with his 139.

Blathzer
07-17-2012, 12:35 PM
Yeah, but all those players ranked number one at some point. Chang might hold the record for a player who didn't rank number one. Chang has 49 weeks by the way, I just checked that using his ranking history on ATPWorldTour.com.

Weeks at No. 1
287 Roger Federer
102 Rafael Nadal

Weeks AT No. 2

241 Rafael Nadal
91 Roger Federer


Weeks IN Top 2
388 Roger Federer
343 Rafael Nadal

Litotes
07-17-2012, 12:38 PM
Weeks IN Top 2
379 Roger Federer
343 Rafael Nadal

Yes, this one is relatively close. Record for year-end top-2 is 8, shared between Connors and Federer, while Nadal has 7. Looks to drop one further back this year, though.

Houstonko
07-17-2012, 02:09 PM
lol rafa wont be no.1 again. 2013 & 2014 will be djokovic then top 3 will be wiped out. Fed will probably no.1 till RG 2013 or if worst indian wells 2013.

Roy Emerson
07-17-2012, 02:16 PM
Doubtful.

lol rafa wont be no.1 again. 2013 & 2014 will be djokovic then top 3 will be wiped out. Fed will probably no.1 till RG 2013 or if worst indian wells 2013.

Even in that scenario, Djokovic does not even hit 150 weeks. More like around 130 weeks or so. Becomes #1 again after Wimbledon 2013 and loses it after AO 2015.

200+ weeks not happening for Djokovic.

n8
07-17-2012, 03:03 PM
Yes, this one is relatively close. Record for year-end top-2 is 8, shared between Connors and Federer, while Nadal has 7. Looks to drop one further back this year, though.

Speaking of year-end number two, Boris Becker was sure unlucky not to achieve the year end number one in 1989. He won Wimbledon and the US Open and Lendl only won the Australian Open. Sorry this is pretty random, but I think it's interesting.

Litotes
07-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Speaking of year-end number two, Boris Becker was sure unlucky not to achieve the year end number one in 1989. He won Wimbledon and the US Open and Lendl only won the Australian Open. Sorry this is pretty random, but I think it's interesting.

I think it is interesting too. And look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-number-one_male_tennis-player_rankings
Becker is credited as ATP best player of 1989. This is (so far) the very last time ATP contradicted their own computer ranking, at least as far as #1 goes. It was common for them to do so during the 70s and the start of the 80s. So I guess Becker deserved some more weeks as #1. Lendl would still be top-2 though, and thus keep his 409-week record there. A little strange Lendl managed more weeks but fewer year-ends as #1 than Connors, and has more weeks but fewer year-end #1s or #2s than both Federer and (particularly) Connors. Lendl wasn't too lucky with his timing, it seems, 1989 notwithstanding.

Houstonko
07-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Doubtful.



Even in that scenario, Djokovic does not even hit 150 weeks. More like around 130 weeks or so. Becomes #1 again after Wimbledon 2013 and loses it after AO 2015.

200+ weeks not happening for Djokovic.

Its difficult to hit 200+ with his style. Nadal was more consistent player in slams yet didnt hit anything close with that. Djokovic hitting 150 or 130 will be the best. Prob not even close to 150 ever.

jcempire
07-17-2012, 04:08 PM
Who knows?

But It's go to be very touch

Nadal will turn 27
And Djoker not very young today

Silvester
07-17-2012, 05:23 PM
I doubt it. A lot depends on US Open but I'm thinking Rogi will make the Finals this year so one of Novak/Nadull will not be defending their points at US Open. That will open the gab quite a bit. Things can change over the next few months of rankings but things could also stay the same.

Novak has a lot to defend between now and US Open, but can gain a lot afterwards. Roger can gain now and has lots to defend after.

Scheduling is tight this summer so Novak can't afford to skip Toronto while Rogi can to save some energy. Remember what happened last year even when Novak 2.0 was around, he was burnt out after US open.