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Who will be considered as a better player: Davydenko vs Nalbandian?

Montego
10-15-2009, 10:42 PM
If they both suddenly ended their careers today - who will be remembered as the better player ?

Some stats:

Davydenko | Nalbandian

Highest career ranking: 3 | 3
Grand Slam wins: 0 | 0
Grand Slam finals: 0 | 1
Grand Slam semifinals: 3 | 5
Grand Slam quarterfinals: 10 | 10
WTF wins: 1 | 1
WTF finals: 2 | 1
Masters wins: 2 | 2
Masters finals: 2 | 6
Number of titles: 17 | 11
Winning ratio: 398-242 (62.2%) | 330-154 (68.2%)

H2H stats: 5-7


They have quite similar achievements in their respectable careers, that's why I chose them two to compare. Nalbandian has less titles, but he has more significant ones. But I would probably give a slight nod to Davydenko because of his better consistency. Discuss :wavey:

scarecrows
10-15-2009, 10:49 PM
Nalbandian but more for his potential to beat top guys rather than for his achievements which are also better than Davydenko's

asmazif
10-15-2009, 10:55 PM
obviously Nalbandian.

FiBeR
10-15-2009, 11:01 PM
:rolleyes: do u even have to ask?

kwiklimey
10-15-2009, 11:03 PM
Clearly Nalbandian

selyoink
10-15-2009, 11:09 PM
Consecutive Year End Top 5 Finishes:
Davydenko- 4
Nalbandian- 0

Snoo Foo
10-15-2009, 11:40 PM
Consecutive Year End Top 5 Finishes:
Davydenko- 4
Nalbandian- 0

:shrug:

Ten years from now people aren't gonna sit around reminiscing over a cold beer, "Ah that Nikolay Davydenko, damn he was so consistent, remember how he finished in the top 5 four years in a row? That was just beautiful," they're gonna remember Nalbandian as one of the most notorious underachievers in the history of tennis and they're gonna remember how he bludgeoned Federer and Nadal when they were destroying everyone else. Nobody cares about the damn stats, what's more memorable is Nalbandian coming back from 2 sets down to beat Federer in Shanghai. It might not be fair but that's what people will remember, the drama, the matches, the amazements and the disappointments.

MalwareDie
10-15-2009, 11:41 PM
Nalbandian will easily be remembered as the better player.

Bad Religion
10-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Denko won the Davis Cup , more titles and prize money , weeks as top 5 - top 10

I vote for Donkey

FiBeR
10-15-2009, 11:48 PM
someone voting with the flag above :haha:

rhinooooo
10-15-2009, 11:50 PM
I like both but Nalbi easily. More entertaining game, alot more variety, and tactical intelligence. Most importantly though, he'll be remembered more for his ability to beat the big guns.

Hopefully he can somehow produce one good consistent season of tennis before he retires.

abraxas21
10-15-2009, 11:53 PM
a better player isn't measured by talent alone.

davidenko is better, imo

theseth1119
10-15-2009, 11:58 PM
I'd have to go with Nalbandian.

He is one of only five active players to have achieved the semifinals or better at all four Grand Slams, along with Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Marat Safin and Novak Djokovic.
Nalbandian became the third man to beat the world's top three players in the same tournament. The other two men are Boris Becker and Novak Djokovic.
Nalbandian is one of the ten men to beat both Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal since they assumed the #1 and #2 positions respectively; the other nine men being Tomas Berdych, Juan Martin Del Potro, Novak Djokovic, Fernando González, Andy Roddick, Andy Murray, James Blake, Gilles Simon and Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. He managed to do this feat in two consecutive Masters Series events in Madrid and Paris.
Nalbandian is one of the four men to beat Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic since they assumed #1, #2 and #3 positions respectively; the others being Andy Roddick, Andy Murray and Gilles Simon.
Nalbandian is the only person to have a winning head to head record agaisnt Rafael Nadal.

ExcaliburII
10-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Of course Nalbandian.

Sunset of Age
10-16-2009, 12:09 AM
a better player isn't measured by talent alone.

davidenko is better, imo

Yep. What's that 'talent' worth, if one doesn't manage to convert it into clear, obvious RESULTS?

Not much, imho. :shrug:

Let alone the fact that theoretical 'talent' alone doesn't just cover up for 'the-results-that-might-have-been-if-not-for-[fill in your favourite excuse, here]'.
Denko has shown to be a very stable, consistent player, over a considerable amount of time. Nalbandian? however much talented - and I don't at all doubt that he IS - didn't manage to get anywhere near to Denko's results.
Davidenko DELIVERS consistently. Nalbandian - not so much.

It's as simple as that. :shrug:

selyoink
10-16-2009, 01:03 AM
:shrug:

Ten years from now people aren't gonna sit around reminiscing over a cold beer, "Ah that Nikolay Davydenko, damn he was so consistent, remember how he finished in the top 5 four years in a row? That was just beautiful," they're gonna remember Nalbandian as one of the most notorious underachievers in the history of tennis and they're gonna remember how he bludgeoned Federer and Nadal when they were destroying everyone else. Nobody cares about the damn stats, what's more memorable is Nalbandian coming back from 2 sets down to beat Federer in Shanghai. It might not be fair but that's what people will remember, the drama, the matches, the amazements and the disappointments.

I'm not using that to say Davy is better. I think it is very close. But for one guy to finish 4 years in a row in the top 5 and the other to never do it says a lot. Plus 4 years in a row in top 5 is a major accomplishment. Roddick, Ferrero, Safin and Hewitt are all slam winners and none of the four finished 4 years in a row in top 5. So it is a huge feat for Davy.

shotgun
10-16-2009, 01:06 AM
Nalbandian, no question.

If you take out Davydenko's run in Key Biscayne last year, his career was built upon titles won over relatively poor opposition and a constant failure at challenging the opposition at the very top of the game.

selyoink
10-16-2009, 01:09 AM
Nalbandian, no question.

If you take out Davydenko's run in Key Biscayne last year, his career was built upon titles won over relatively poor opposition and a failure at challenging the opposition at the very top of the game.

That is true of both in slams though. They have won a combined 1 slam semi-final match between them and that was by Nalbandian over Xavier Malisse, hardly top opposition. Then Hewitt ripped Nalby apart.

shotgun
10-16-2009, 01:12 AM
That is true of both in slams though. They have won a combined 1 slam semi-final match between them and that was by Nalbandian over Xavier Malisse, hardly top opposition. Then Hewitt ripped Nalby apart.

Their Slam history is very similar, yep. When it comes to Slams, both are underachievers. Nalbandian was let down mostly by his lack of fitness, and Davydenko, by his choking skills.

selyoink
10-16-2009, 01:24 AM
Their Slam history is very similar, yep. When it comes to Slams, both are underachievers. Nalbandian was let down mostly by his lack of fitness, and Davydenko, by his choking skills.

Davy very unfortunate to face Fed three times in slam semis though he clearly choked against Fed in 07 French. Best chance was against Puerta the doper but that tournament was Davy's break through.

Snoo Foo
10-16-2009, 01:48 AM
at least nalby has a semi-slam :sport:

Kolya
10-16-2009, 01:53 AM
My 2 favourite players.

I'm going to say its EVEN... Davydenko's consistency and Nalbandian's talent... evens it out.

Both could be "better" players...

NYMIKE
10-16-2009, 02:49 AM
Down the road they both be forgotten except to the biggest die hard fans, but Nalbaandian's accomplishments are greater/

freeandlonely
10-16-2009, 04:26 AM
Nalbandian.
Choose another one to compare.

HuaTuo
10-16-2009, 04:41 AM
heart:Nalbandian
head:Nalbandian

Bad Religion
10-16-2009, 04:50 AM
The whale Nalbandian spent about 40-45 weeks as top 5 , otoh Davydenko was almost a permanent resident inside the top 5 during his prime

If you question is who's the most overrated player in the decade , I vote Nalbi

GlennMirnyi
10-16-2009, 05:01 AM
Davydenko won't be considered a better player in the future, but he probably is.

name_change
10-16-2009, 08:04 AM
Nalbandian has the bigger titles, and he has beaten the top players more than once. If anything, the top guns rather play Davydenko ranked #5 than Nalbandian #29348. Davydenko maximized his talent and for him to accomplish all he has is no small feat. Nalbandian barely tapped into his immense potential and accomplished far less than he should have.

While the more gifted player is Nalbo, Davydenko is the better player simply because he's been able to maintain his consistency and take full advantage of his opportunities. It truly pains me to say this as David is one of my fave players and I can't stand Davydenko.

UGH!

rocketassist
10-16-2009, 01:59 PM
Nalbandian has won the better titles overall.

Whoever said the PMK hasn't maximised his talent, well name me a cleaner ball striker.

Johnny Groove
10-16-2009, 02:05 PM
Interesting question, this.

One player who maximized his potential and one player who never came close to doing that.

It all depends on what one considers to be more important over the course of a career. Overall consistency? Length of time in the top 5? Many MM titles vs. a few TMS wins? Slam results? Record against the best players?

I'm biased, so I think Nalbandian will end up being known as the better player when its all said and done, and I still think he's got a slam in him.

Not so much for the PMK.

Manon
10-16-2009, 02:25 PM
Nalbandian, no question.



:yeah:

MurrayFan1
10-16-2009, 02:27 PM
Nalbandian for sure.

selyoink
10-16-2009, 05:19 PM
Nalbandian has won the better titles overall.

Whoever said the PMK hasn't maximised his talent, well name me a cleaner ball striker.

The only difference in their titles is Nalbandian won the Masters Cup while Davy lost in the final. Both have two masters series shields and no slams.

Black Adam
10-16-2009, 05:57 PM
Del Potro is now a better player than Nalbandian. Just thought you folks ought to know.

Vida
10-16-2009, 06:05 PM
but nalby is an underachiever, while davy does his best.

Certinfy
10-16-2009, 06:06 PM
Both are underachievers IMO, tho i'll choose Nalbandian.

SetSampras
10-16-2009, 06:25 PM
Nalbandian beat peak Fed at the masters though he couldnt do jack diddly at the slams.. Davystinko is just that.. Nalbandian is better for sure

scarecrows
10-16-2009, 06:28 PM
Nalbandian beat peak Fed at the masters

yea, right

Vida
10-16-2009, 06:32 PM
actually that was the only time fed was injured.

Ichiban1920
10-16-2009, 07:14 PM
Nalbandian beat peak Fed at the masters though


Retard alert.

ChinoRios4Ever
10-16-2009, 07:17 PM
D. Nalbandian

MalwareDie
10-16-2009, 07:28 PM
Del Potro is now a better player than Nalbandian. Just thought you folks ought to know.

Nalbandian>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Del Mugro

tennishero
10-16-2009, 08:03 PM
a better player isn't measured by talent alone.

davidenko is better, imo

expected respone from u, clear envy.

The whale Nalbandian spent about 40-45 weeks as top 5 , otoh Davydenko was almost a permanent resident inside the top 5 during his prime

If you question is who's the most overrated player in the decade , I vote Nalbi

ur biase towards argentine players is so blatent. u dont like any argentine player, we know, just stfu now.

Nalbandian has won the better titles overall.

Whoever said the PMK hasn't maximised his talent, well name me a cleaner ball striker.

nalbandian

yea, right

and at the slams :)

betowiec
10-16-2009, 08:14 PM
Argie
no doubts

Jimnik
10-16-2009, 08:37 PM
Stating the obvious, Nalbandian is the better grass-court player. All other surfaces they're even.

rocketassist
10-16-2009, 08:52 PM
Nalbandian reached all 4 GS SFs too and in a time when there were specialists that made it tougher on each surface. That's an impressive achievement.

selyoink
10-16-2009, 09:44 PM
Nalbandian reached all 4 GS SFs too and in a time when there were specialists that made it tougher on each surface. That's an impressive achievement.

Agreed that is an impressive achievement. Some of those slam semi losses though were not so good. Losing to Baghdatis was a giant missed opportunity for Nalby and quitting against Fed at RG as well. Nalbandian at his absolute best is better than Davy. When they are both at their normal levels I'm not so sure.

Jimnik
10-18-2009, 11:21 AM
Davydenko | Nalbandian

Highest career ranking: 3 | 3
Grand Slam wins: 0 | 0
Grand Slam finals: 0 | 1
Grand Slam semifinals: 3 | 5
Grand Slam quarterfinals: 9 | 10
WTF wins: 0 | 1
WTF finals: 1 | 1
Masters wins: 2 | 2
Masters finals: 2 | 6
Number of titles: 17 | 10
Winning ratio: 365-226 (60.2%) | 306-148 (67.4%)

H2H stats: 5-6

Denko now leads Masters wins 3-2 and number of titles 18-10.

Impressive that he's never lost a TMS final.

rubbERR
10-18-2009, 11:23 AM
Nalbandian - he has grandslam final.

oz_boz
10-18-2009, 11:31 AM
Very close in achievements. Nalbandian's higher level at his very best (with his ability to beat the very top players also at their peak) tips it in his favour.

tennishero
10-18-2009, 11:32 AM
has denko beaten the top 3 players in a row in 2 consecutive masters? no, he beat a crap nadal in the final.

Jimnik
10-18-2009, 11:53 AM
Denko has beaten every top player except Federer. Would be nice if he could do it at least once. Otherwise his unfair reputation as a MM player will hold.

Boris Franz Ecker
10-18-2009, 11:59 AM
Nalbandian has won something of historical importance.
Davydenko not.

But even Gaudio, a far weaker player than both, has won such a thing.
Davydenko has now 18 title, 3 Masters Series which will be forgotten soon, Nalbandian seems to be done. They are close.

Del_Toro
10-18-2009, 12:10 PM
Fat Nalbo is an underachiever while Kolya is the opposite. Perhaps Fat Dave is more talented but he hasn't had really a better career than Kolya, so my vote goes for the bald russian.

Sophocles
10-18-2009, 12:17 PM
Nalbandian has the better slam record & has won a bigger title (Masters Cup). Davydenko has more titles & a more consistent ranking history. The original question is who will be remembered as the better player. People remember slams & big titles more than small titles and rankings, so the answer must be Nalbandian.

habibko
10-18-2009, 12:50 PM
it's hard to imagine Nalby adding much to his career, while there is every reason to expect Davy achieving even more, so as of now I think Davy has a better chance, they are pretty even all-around career wise (Nalby slightly in the lead).

selyoink
10-18-2009, 01:27 PM
Nalbandian has the better slam record & has won a bigger title (Masters Cup). Davydenko has more titles & a more consistent ranking history. The original question is who will be remembered as the better player. People remember slams & big titles more than small titles and rankings, so the answer must be Nalbandian.

Yes and neither has a slam and no one will remember Hewitt ripping Nalby to pieces in Wimbledon final. Davy has three Masters Titles and a final in Masters Cup to Nalby two Masters Titles and Masters Cup victory. The idea that Nalby has won more big totals is a total fiction.

So is the idea that Davy can't beat the top players. He can't beat Federer. And Blake but he is not a top player.

CmonAussie
10-18-2009, 01:40 PM
...
Davyenko = overachiever [despite poor resutls at slams]
...
Nalbandian = biggest underachiever [despite good results at slams]
~~~~~~~
Davy has maximised his potential whereas Nalby clearly hasn`t..!!
Thus, PMK >> Fat Dave

thrust
10-18-2009, 01:52 PM
Denko won the Davis Cup , more titles and prize money , weeks as top 5 - top 10

I vote for Donkey

Me too. I have little sympathy for underachievers. Denko is an overachiever.

selyoink
10-18-2009, 01:56 PM
...
Davyenko = overachiever [despite poor resutls at slams]
...
Nalbandian = biggest underachiever [despite good results at slams]
~~~~~~~
Davy has maximised his potential whereas Nalby clearly hasn`t..!!
Thus, PMK >> Fat Dave

Nalby slam results really aren't that much better. He has the final that Davy doesn't but only leads in semis 5-4 and QFs 10-9. So there isn't a huge difference, basically the luck of playing Malisse in a semi. And Nalby's final is a bit of a fluke because he never got close again at Wimbledon with his next best result receiving a straight set demolition in quarters by T. Johansson.

scarecrows
10-18-2009, 02:33 PM
a couple of wins like this and Denko will take the edge

Sophocles
10-18-2009, 02:59 PM
Yes and neither has a slam and no one will remember Hewitt ripping Nalby to pieces in Wimbledon final. Davy has three Masters Titles and a final in Masters Cup to Nalby two Masters Titles and Masters Cup victory. The idea that Nalby has won more big totals is a total fiction.

I disagree, the one match these 2 have played that people are most likely to remember is the 2002 Wimbledon final, simply because it was a slam final. 2nd most memorable will probably be 2005 Masters Cup final, mainly because it was a Federer loss at a time when he was considered close to invincible. I also think the Masters Cup is a lot more important than a Masters Series title: the year-end Masters has a longer history and more established place in the sport. But I agree there's not much between Nalbandian & Davydenko.

selyoink
10-18-2009, 04:05 PM
I disagree, the one match these 2 have played that people are most likely to remember is the 2002 Wimbledon final, simply because it was a slam final. 2nd most memorable will probably be 2005 Masters Cup final, mainly because it was a Federer loss at a time when he was considered close to invincible. I also think the Masters Cup is a lot more important than a Masters Series title: the year-end Masters has a longer history and more established place in the sport. But I agree there's not much between Nalbandian & Davydenko.

In 10 years no one except Hewitt and Nalby fans will remember who Hewitt beat in that Wimbledon final because it was a shit match. Do you think most people remember who Agassi beat in 01 and 03 Aussie finals? Certainly not. I think people will remember the Nalby/Fed Masters Cup match more than that Wimbly final, maybe even the Roddick loss at the Open more as well.

I agree that the Masters Cup is more important but it doesn't give a significant edge one way or the other.

Leo
10-18-2009, 04:11 PM
By the end of his career, Davydenko will have more achievements than Nalbandian. They are both very talented.

alter ego
10-18-2009, 04:21 PM
...
Davyenko = overachiever [despite poor resutls at slams]
...
Nalbandian = biggest underachiever [despite good results at slams]
~~~~~~~
Davy has maximised his potential whereas Nalby clearly hasn`t..!!
Thus, PMK >> Fat Dave

Nikolay an overachiever ? You mean to say that Davy works hard and thus his results, but he lacks talent ? Hell no ! He has a gorgeous cross court FH and hits the most incredible down the line shots.

NYMIKE
10-18-2009, 09:07 PM
10 years from now neither one of these players be remembered in their own threads on forums such as these, unless Davydenko can win a major (very unlikely), however Nalbandians name will come up from time to time when we be discussing Federer and Nadal cause he has good success against both of these players. Another important point to be made is Davydenko is not Russia's most successful player, Kafelnikov and Safin had greater success, and Del Potro already has more success as Argentinian player.

Bad Religion
10-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Pretty clear right now

Aside Argentina , in the rest of the planet Donkey is considered a better player

FiBeR
10-18-2009, 09:45 PM
:lol:
how can you argue with someone who cant even spell his favourite players in his signature right? :rolls:

keep thinking with the flag, :wavey:

CyBorg
10-18-2009, 10:04 PM
What hurts Davydenko a bit is his disappointing showings at Davis Cup. Even though he did contribute to a winning team he was not one of its top players.

I don't agree that his Grand Slam results are poor. They're not poor at all. Making GS semifinals is indicative of elite talent and accomplishment.

Some folks here really need to screw their heads on straight. Making a GS final means that one is either #1 or #2 at the tournament. Considering that Davydenko never was higher than 3rd in the world, it shouldn't come as a surprise that he has not made a GS final.

Making several GS semifinals in a career is not poor. Some peoples' logic however is poor.

tennishero
10-19-2009, 12:37 AM
Pretty clear right now

Aside Argentina , in the rest of the planet Donkey is considered a better player

what planet do u live in? trollworld?

also please remove gaudio from ur sig, i doubt he would want such a clueless scumbag as a fan, in fact u can remove all of them, ur a disgrace to any fan.

Ichiban1920
10-19-2009, 01:47 AM
what planet do u live in? trollworld?

also please remove gaudio from ur sig, i doubt he would want such a clueless scumbag as a fan, in fact u can remove all of them, ur a disgrace to any fan.


Get your lips off Nalbandian's nutsack, fanboy.

Mechlan
10-19-2009, 07:32 AM
Nalbandian. In tennis, winning matters more than consistently performing well. Nalbandian has performed slightly better on the big stage and has performed better against the best. And subjectively, I think Nalbandian is the more talented of the two. So I consider him the better player anyway.

On the other hand, Davydenko is much closer to the top of the game than Nalbandian, and I would certainly expect him to accomplish more in the remainder of his career. The depth at the top of the game is better now than a few years ago. So if Davydenko were to win some more big titles beating quality opposition along the way, it's certainly not too late to turn the discussion in his favor.

latso
10-19-2009, 07:41 AM
Davydenko will be remembered a bit longer, mainly because of his fixing matches issues.
Otherwise they will be both forgotten quite fast.

Better player? - Nalbandian more talented and better at the top of his game, Davydenko much more consistent and long time top 10 player. What is better from these? A matter of personal judgement.

Even Roddick will be part of the deep history together with Hewitt and Safin, what to say about these two GS chokers.

tennishero
10-19-2009, 10:21 AM
Get your lips off Nalbandian's nutsack, fanboy.

stop stalking me u fucking loser.

Ichiban1920
10-19-2009, 08:07 PM
stop stalking me u fucking loser.

How exactly is quoting your retarded posts in a public forum stalking?

GlennMirnyi
10-19-2009, 09:02 PM
Nalbandian is over. Meanwhile, Davydenko might still win a couple of TMS titles and gain a definitive edge over Fattie.

Montego
10-19-2009, 11:18 PM
Thanks for so many replies.

In terms of achievements I think they are both on more or less similar level. In terms of talent - it is very subjective and obviously some will pick Bundy and some will pick Kolya.

Achievements are measurable, talent is not, hence the differences in opinions. Greetings to all Nalbandian and Davydenko fans out there.

Mechlan
11-29-2009, 03:43 PM
Kolya matches Nalbandian's best result, achievements-wise it's very close now.

rocketassist
11-29-2009, 03:44 PM
Very close now indeed. Be great for the game if either won a slam.

rofe
11-29-2009, 03:45 PM
Kolya matches Nalbandian's best result, achievements-wise it's very close now.

Funny thing is, Nalby would have lost that match in 2005 had it been this stupid best of 3 format.

shotgun
11-29-2009, 03:47 PM
Nalbandian, no question.

If you take out Davydenko's run in Key Biscayne last year, his career was built upon titles won over relatively poor opposition and a constant failure at challenging the opposition at the very top of the game.

I have to say a lot has changed in the past couple of months. :lol: Davydenko's CV now looks slightly better than Nalbandian's with these two titles.

Even then, I have no doubt Nalbandian is the better player, but with a third of Davydenko's work ethic.

OldSilentHill
11-29-2009, 03:51 PM
Funny thing is, Nalby would have lost that match in 2005 had it been this stupid best of 3 format.

No. He would played on his very limit in the start of the second set in that match.

I still believe Fit Dave is more player than Fit Denko.

Action Jackson
11-29-2009, 03:52 PM
I have to say a lot has changed in the past couple of months. :lol: Davydenko's CV now looks slightly better than Nalbandian's with these two titles.

Even then, I have no doubt Nalbandian is the better player, but with a third of Davydenko's work ethic.

Davy needs a Slam final. Nalbandian has won one of these TMC things, when it was a 5 set final. He did beat Fedclown and Nadal in 2 consecutive events.

One made the most of his abilities and the other hasn't.

shotgun
11-29-2009, 03:56 PM
He did beat Fedclown and Nadal in 2 consecutive events.

Not to mention Federer are Nadal were more impressive scalps back then than they are nowadays.

Johnny Groove
11-29-2009, 03:57 PM
I'd like to see a slam final between these two.

Hopefully Big Dave has got his hip straightened out.

Action Jackson
11-29-2009, 03:58 PM
Not to mention Federer are Nadal were more impressive scalps back then than they are nowadays.

Yes, definitely. Their matches are quite fun to watch, they just don't consist of brainless bashing, but not just pushing either.

Sophocles
11-29-2009, 04:06 PM
Nalbandian still has slam final and has reached at least SF at all 4 slams.

Kolya
11-29-2009, 10:38 PM
Consistency is always underrated while talent is definitely overrated.

Purple Rainbow
11-29-2009, 10:40 PM
Davydenko tipped the scales in his favor this week. Barely, though.

Montego
11-29-2009, 10:46 PM
Good to see my thread bumped. Maybe now there will be less laughing about this comparison, even though I am still hesitating between these two and put it on 50-50.

Davy definitely needs a GS final to top Nalbandian. If he finishes without one (although some might argue about that RG semi against Puerta) - I will have them in my books placed on equal positions.

rocketassist
11-29-2009, 11:12 PM
Consistency is always underrated while talent is definitely overrated.

Thing is though Davydenko IS talented, they always go on about how its about his work ethic etc but no one can strike a ball on the rise as good as him.

Sean
11-29-2009, 11:17 PM
If Cheese burger Dave worked half as hard as Donkey he'd have a slam at least. Burgerbandian just edges it but im sure by the end of next year that will change.

Kolya
11-29-2009, 11:28 PM
Thing is though Davydenko IS talented, they always go on about how its about his work ethic etc but no one can strike a ball on the rise as good as him.

Of course Davydenko is talented, getting to the top 50 in all honesty means you're extremely talented.

But Nalbandian (2nd current favourite player) is slightly more talented than Kolya.

I rate them 50/50 right now.

CyBorg
11-30-2009, 12:15 AM
Okay, Davydenko hasn't made a grand slam final, but he has had a much more consistent career. When's the last time he was out of the top 10? How long did he spend in the top five?

I don't think Davydenko needs a grand slam final to be considered superior to Nalbandian. It's close though.

sawan66278
11-30-2009, 12:23 AM
Excellent question. Right now, its a real toss-up. However, I'd go with Davy simply because of his record in finals: 19-5. But, attitude-wise, no contest. A workhorse vs. a waistoid of talent.

stebs
11-30-2009, 12:41 AM
It's close. Looking only at the results it's quite even. Davydenko has the additional titles, top 5 consistency and one more masters. Nalbandian has the slam final and the more stunning victories. Hard to pick one over the other right now, give it two more years though and I think we will have a more clear cut answer.

I would love to see both of these guys in slam quarterfinals in 2010.

New Balls Please
11-30-2009, 12:42 AM
Unfortunately, ten years from now,the average tennis fan will only remember grand slam titlist (and maybe finalist), so Nalbandian will be considered the better player. However, if we take all their results into account, it is difficult to say who is the better player.

Regardless, I really hope that one of them can win a slam since they are one of my favourites.

tennishero
11-30-2009, 01:59 AM
davydenko 1 - 13 federer

nalbandian 8 - 10 federer


nuff said.

selyoink
11-30-2009, 02:29 AM
davydenko 1 - 13 federer

nalbandian 8 - 10 federer


nuff said.

Yes because only your record against Federer counts. Alternately I can say:

Nalbandian 10-10 finals record

Davydenko 19-5 finals record

nuff said.

Or I can go with:

Nalbandian 0 years finished in the top 5

Davydenko 4 consecutive years in the top 5

Nuff said

Also:

Nalbandian 6 year end all time high ranking

Davydenko 5 consecutive years he has finished 6th or higher in the ranking

Nuff said.

casabe
11-30-2009, 03:38 AM
I think now wimbledon final make the big difference in achievments.
Leaving the titles away, I consider Nalbandian as a better player (more talent, beautiful game).

DJ Soup
11-30-2009, 03:40 AM
Nalbandian is a better player but an underachiever.

When David plays well, he's just unbelievable.

Nikolay is awesome too, but Nalba has an even more delightful tennis when he's on.

n8
11-30-2009, 03:41 AM
Okay, Davydenko hasn't made a grand slam final, but he has had a much more consistent career. When's the last time he was out of the top 10? How long did he spend in the top five?

I don't think Davydenko needs a grand slam final to be considered superior to Nalbandian. It's close though.

At the beginning of the year. Although he only really dropped out because of injury. Five straight years finishing in the top 6 is amazing!

casabe
11-30-2009, 03:42 AM
Good to see my thread bumped. Maybe now there will be less laughing about this comparison, even though I am still hesitating between these two and put it on 50-50.

Davy definitely needs a GS final to top Nalbandian. If he finishes without one (although some might argue about that RG semi against Puerta) - I will have them in my books placed on equal positions.

Nothing to say, Puerta was clean in that match + Davy choked

Montego
11-30-2009, 10:10 PM
Puerta was clean in that match

You don't know this and I don't know it as well :p

duong
12-01-2009, 12:51 AM
Okay, Davydenko hasn't made a grand slam final, but he has had a much more consistent career. When's the last time he was out of the top 10? How long did he spend in the top five?

I don't think Davydenko needs a grand slam final to be considered superior to Nalbandian. It's close though.

if you consider the end-of-year rankings, Davydenko has even been ahead of Roddick (who has been far more of a star) for past 4 years : actually he was always the very first one just behind the "very top-guys" :

- Federer-Nadal in 2006
- Federer-Nadal-Djokovic in 2007
- Federer-Nadal-Djokovic-Murray in 2008
- Federer-Nadal-Djokovic-Murray-Del Potro in 2009

you could even add 2005 where he was the very first player behind the very top-players of that time : Federer-Nadal-Roddick-Hewitt.

As for the number of points in the end of year, it's been also hugely consistent since 2006 : 2825-2825-2715-3000 (3000 in 2009 is the calculation with the old raning system to compare)

Then yes, this regularity and rankings (>Roddick) is hugely impressive.

But if the question is "who will be consider as the better player?", which is related in most minds with talent and top-level,

then clearly Nalbandian will take the edge :shrug:

And actually as for the rankings, it's also very impressive how Nalbandian has managed to be ranked in the top-12 (and usually top-8) each year from 2002 to 2008 and very often really playing one part of the season :haha:

I heard a French former tennis player saying that at his maximum level, Nalbandian could play better than Federer's maximum level (esp indoors) : I think a player about whom you can say that is a very very rare and precious thing, who else can we even think of saying that ? Safin ? Maybe Del Potro later ? Nadal in a way but it's not the same kind of tennis at all :lol:

Anyway, Davydenko is great, and I'm happy that he gets a major title at last and gets some recognition he deserves,

but the fact is that Nalbandian will be more remembered :shrug:

casabe
12-01-2009, 03:40 AM
You don't know this and I don't know it as well :p

well you are right, but as i know he tested positive only in the final. I dont know how doping tests work, but he should had one in semifinals too.

FiBeR
12-01-2009, 05:41 AM
Nalbandian was never accused of fixing a match, yet about his work ethics.

alter ego
01-09-2010, 07:16 PM
has denko beaten the top 3 players in a row in 2 consecutive masters? no, he beat a crap nadal in the final.

Well he just beat Federer and Nadal in 2 tournaments in a row.

abraxas21
01-09-2010, 07:32 PM
kolya is 10-0 against top 9 opponents in the last 3 months :)

Cyrus_Paice
01-09-2010, 07:52 PM
For people who don't know the tennis world that well it's a good question but so far definetly Nalbandian.

selyoink
01-09-2010, 08:18 PM
For people who don't know the tennis world that well it's a good question but so far definetly Nalbandian.

Shows how little you know. The only areas you can give Nalbandian a clear edge over Davy is the slam final he has, their records at Wimbledon and his superior head-to-head against Federer. Just about every other stat edge belongs to Davy.

I think it is a close comparison but Davydenko has had the better career to this point and therefore he is the better player.

juninhOH
01-09-2010, 08:26 PM
kolya is 10-0 against top 9 opponents in the last 3 months :)

he lost to djokovic in the RR of WTF

abraxas21
01-09-2010, 08:58 PM
he lost to djokovic in the RR of WTF

i forgot about that.. :S

still, he's having a good run ;)

Chair Umpire
01-09-2010, 09:04 PM
davydenko 1 - 13 federer

nalbandian 8 - 10 federer


nuff said.

Unbiasedness at its best. :D :retard:

I find laughable to compare Nalgaldian to Kolya, seriously.

Cyrus_Paice
01-09-2010, 09:05 PM
Shows how little you know. The only areas you can give Nalbandian a clear edge over Davy is the slam final he has, their records at Wimbledon and his superior head-to-head against Federer. Just about every other stat edge belongs to Davy.

I think it is a close comparison but Davydenko has had the better career to this point and therefore he is the better player.

The question isn't who has the better career or who is the better player but who will be considered better. Nalbandian is famous for his wins against Federer and his huge potential. At the moment Davydenko is very underrated among people other than huge tennis fans.

Leo
01-09-2010, 09:08 PM
The answer of this thread is clearly Davydenko. There is no comparison. They are both talented baseliners but Davydenko's achievements are so much better. Nalby barely owns any titles whatsoever.

From ATPWorldTour.com: "The 28-year-old Davydenko maintained his stellar record in ATP World Tour finals, improving to a 20-5 mark. The Russian is the 38th player in the Open Era (since 1968), and the fifth active player, to win at least 20 ATP World Tour titles." :worship: That is some serious stuff. Safin can't claim that, and he has 2 Slams. Ferrero can't claim that either. And Rafter? And many other Slam champs.

Bad Religion
01-09-2010, 09:17 PM
Davydenko needs a Grand Slam Final beating legends like Sa , Saretta , Lapentti and Malisee road to that stage

abraxas21
01-09-2010, 09:22 PM
The question isn't who has the better career or who is the better player but who will be considered better. Nalbandian is famous for his wins against Federer and his huge potential. At the moment Davydenko is very underrated among people other than huge tennis fans.

you have a point there

the people who know about tennis will regard kolya as the better player but the casual fans and regular folk might think that nalby was better. kolya has always been underrated by most people. he's not the type of player that sells.

rocketassist
01-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Nalbandian the bigger talent, PMK the better player now and I expect him to make the AO final on current form and achieve the one remaining goal that Dave has over him.

Edomaster
01-09-2010, 11:34 PM
Davydenko: 3 M-1000 and 1 WTF, 20 titles in whole, 143 weeks as top-5.

Nalbandian: 2 M-1000 and 1 WTF, 10 titles in whole, 48 weeks as top-5.

For the obtained for both till now of corse Nikolay >>> Guataldian undoubtedly someone.

Kolya
01-09-2010, 11:35 PM
Davydenko + Nalbandian = GOAT :tennis:

nsidhan
01-09-2010, 11:44 PM
For all that they have accomplished so far, then Nalbandian.

Action Jackson
09-05-2010, 05:39 PM
Davydenko + Nalbandian = GOAT :tennis:

I never knew there was an animal species made up of these two.

gbmkc
09-05-2010, 05:46 PM
If neither wins a major... Davydenko I would hope. Nothing should downgrade a player more than wasting their talent, which is exactly how I feel about Mardy Fish. Had Nalbandian tried to be anything more than a glorified journeyman, this thread wouldn't exist. Davydenko has done the best he could with the game he has. Nalbandian used to, a long time ago.

LaFuria
09-05-2010, 05:48 PM
If both their careers ended tomorrow, Nalbandian easily. People around here have short term memories.

oranges
09-05-2010, 05:57 PM
Davydenko + Nalbandian = GOAT :tennis:

They still need a serve :p

Filo V.
09-05-2010, 06:02 PM
The answer is clearly Davydenko. Nikolay has made more out of less. David has accomplished much less out what he could have. David will be considered the better talent, but Nikolay the better player, the one who made the most out of his game, the one with more dedication, while David will be known as one of the bigger failures in tennis history.

Rafa = Fed Killa
09-05-2010, 06:07 PM
They both like Murray are GS less losers

oranges
09-05-2010, 06:07 PM
The answer is clearly Davydenko. Nikolay has made more out of less. David has accomplished much less out what he could have. David will be considered the better talent, but Nikolay the better player, the one who made the most out of his game, the one with more dedication, while David will be known as one of the bigger failures in tennis history.

It's not clear at all. I consider Nalbandian more accomplished given a GS final.

Filo V.
09-05-2010, 06:16 PM
It's not clear at all. I consider Nalbandian more accomplished given a GS final.

And pretty much anyone will consider David a horrible failure that he hasn't even made a GS final since that surprise Wimbledon run when he was a young kid. He hasn't even gotten to the final since, and hasn't made too many deep runs either. People won't remember David as a great player, they will remember him as a great talent and someone who did possible the least with his talent than anyone ever in history.

freeandlonely
09-05-2010, 06:57 PM
who knows, they both haven't retired

oranges
09-05-2010, 08:15 PM
And pretty much anyone will consider David a horrible failure that he hasn't even made a GS final since that surprise Wimbledon run when he was a young kid. He hasn't even gotten to the final since, and hasn't made too many deep runs either. People won't remember David as a great player, they will remember him as a great talent and someone who did possible the least with his talent than anyone ever in history.

That doesn't change the fact that Kolya hasn't made a final. It's a sin that Nalbandian doesn't have a few slams, but it's still better than semis. They are more or less equal further down the line, so unless the famous Roddick argument of years in top 10 or top 5 is invoked, Nalby has accomplished more, however inconsistent he might be.

Navratil
09-06-2010, 06:35 PM
Nalbandian - because he was more of a threat to most top players

Montego
09-06-2010, 10:03 PM
I updated my first post, cause some minor things changes since then.

Knightmace
07-10-2012, 12:02 AM
Nalbandian

misty1
07-10-2012, 12:04 AM
davy

Freak3yman84
07-10-2012, 12:05 AM
It's close, at first glance it is obvious that Nalby had the better career. But then I realized that he did better at GS's while Davydenko did better overall. Yet, I still think Nalby had the better career.

Mark Lenders
07-10-2012, 12:07 AM
Davydenko had the better career, but Nalbandian is the better and more talented player if it makes any sense.

I consider Nalbandian at his best as one of the best/more talented players in tennis history, and also consider him the best player without a Slam title to his name. Amazing talent, could watch him play all day. Huge underachiever of course.

Davydenko is excellent himself, and an underachiever too I think, but can't really regard him in the same way as Nalbandian.

Freak3yman84
07-10-2012, 12:17 AM
Davydenko had the better career, but Nalbandian is the better and more talented player if it makes any sense.

I consider Nalbandian at his best as one of the best/more talented players in tennis history, and also consider him the best player without a Slam final to his name. Amazing talent, could watch him play all day. Huge underachiever of course.

Davydenko is excellent himself, and an underachiever too I think, but can't really regard him in the same way as Nalbandian.

:facepalm:

jonheres
07-10-2012, 12:19 AM
Nalbandian when "on" could beat anyone, including RF, RN, ND, and AM ... (Top 4) ... plus he can play beautifull tennis in the way to victory. He is quite an underachiever and is without a doubt one of the best players without a slam.

So my vote goes to him

Johnny Groove
07-10-2012, 12:24 AM
Davydenko the more consistent.

Nalbandian had the higher peak, but also lower lows.

Mark Lenders
07-10-2012, 12:24 AM
:facepalm:

If you know of any other player without a Slam who can produce tennis like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOBP3N1ejc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm_wClDQoa0

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPc5kTUEjIQ among many other incredible performances, please do let me know. I'd love to watch that player :eek:

Not even a hater can deny Nalbandian's insane talent and feel on a tennis court.

Motoflou
07-10-2012, 12:26 AM
We should put some money on this. :davydenko:

HKz
07-10-2012, 12:33 AM
Really tough to say, even statistically. Nalbandian certainly one of the most talented players ever to play the game, but Davydenko was an absolute beast as well, some of the greatest groundstrokes forehand/backhand combined ever IMO, and of course Nalbandian had arguably one of the greatest backhands ever. Plus both took the ball so early, which made it so fun to watch especially when they played other baseliners who took the ball early like Federer. Not to mention both had amazing returns too. Davydenko IMO had a pretty big serve for someone his height while Nalbandian's was pretty decent too. At the net, Nalbandian had the touch and talent, but Davydenko arguably improved tremendously in this regard and actually ended up having quite the touch at the net, especially around 2009/2010.

Would have been interesting IMO if Davydenko faced a green Nadal in the 2005 Roland Garros final, but either way, both underachieved IMO.

Fedex
07-10-2012, 01:21 AM
If you know of any other player without a Slam who can produce tennis like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOBP3N1ejc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm_wClDQoa0

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPc5kTUEjIQ among many other incredible performances, please do let me know. I'd love to watch that player :eek:

Not even a hater can deny Nalbandian's insane talent and feel on a tennis court.

Man, I saw Nalbandian dominated both Federer and Nadal in the same tournament. Not just beat them, dominate them.

Mark Lenders
07-10-2012, 01:24 AM
Man, I saw Nalbandian dominated both Federer and Nadal in the same tournament. Not just beat them, dominate them.

Yeah, he made Federer and Nadal look like they didn't even deserve to be on the same court as him. Had never seen anything like it. At his best, Nalbandian must be among the best players ever to play tennis, he was just sublime.

Arguably the biggest underachiever in tennis, surely in the past decade.

Mechlan
07-10-2012, 01:31 AM
If you know of any other player without a Slam who can produce tennis like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOBP3N1ejc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm_wClDQoa0

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPc5kTUEjIQ among many other incredible performances, please do let me know. I'd love to watch that player :eek:

Not even a hater can deny Nalbandian's insane talent and feel on a tennis court.

I think that was the response because you said Nalbandian does have a slam final to his name. Perhaps you meant a slam title?

Also, there is a thread on this already: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=152876

Mark Lenders
07-10-2012, 01:33 AM
I think that was the response because you said Nalbandian does have a slam final to his name. Perhaps you meant a slam title?

Also, there is a thread on this already: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=152876

Yup, I meant title. My mistake, thanks for pointing it out, it's edited now :p

rocketassist
07-10-2012, 01:42 AM
Besides Federer, Nalbandian is probably one of the most naturally talented players of all time, along with Safin and Rios.

He was more talented easily although Davydenko is a superb striker of a ball himself. Career wise it's close, but I think Nalby's slam final shades it for him. Davydenko had the trickier YEC draw though- Djokovic, Nadal, Soderling, Federer and Del Potro. As tough as it got in a TMC, and he won.

BroTree123
07-10-2012, 01:48 AM
Nalbandian, but only just. He's made a GS final, but doesn't have a great record in MS finals. Davydenko on the other hand hasn't been in a GS final, but was a beast in MS finals.

Roddickominator
07-10-2012, 02:23 AM
The answer is Nalbandian by a small bit. But I am glad to see them compared though....I always thought it was kind of dumb that so many slobber all over Nalbandian but a guy like Davydenko really gets little fanfare. Davydenko was never as flashy, but the way he played and executed when in the zone was just as impressive as any of Nalbandian's performances IMO.

Freak3yman84
07-10-2012, 02:26 AM
If you know of any other player without a Slam who can produce tennis like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOBP3N1ejc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm_wClDQoa0

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPc5kTUEjIQ among many other incredible performances, please do let me know. I'd love to watch that player :eek:

Not even a hater can deny Nalbandian's insane talent and feel on a tennis court.

:haha: I wasn't denying Nalbandian's skill. I was facepalming the fact that you said Nalbandian had never been to a GS Final ;)

TennisGrandSlam
07-10-2012, 02:29 AM
Clear answer : Nalby!

Nalby has 1 Wimbledon 2000 Final, just lost to C'mon.

BAMJ6
07-10-2012, 02:30 AM
Davydenko maximized his talent and never got any choke vibes from me. Nalbadian on the other hand, has so much more talent than him but the results are that similar. Therefore Davy had a better carrer in fans eyes

Mark Lenders
07-10-2012, 02:37 AM
:haha: I wasn't denying Nalbandian's skill. I was facepalming the fact that you said Nalbandian had never been to a GS Final ;)

Point taken, it was my mistake. I've already edited it, I consider Nalby the best/most talented player without a Slam TITLE to his name ;)

Freak3yman84
07-10-2012, 02:39 AM
Point taken, it was my mistake. I've already edited it, I consider Nalby the best/most talented player without a Slam TITLE to his name ;)

...And that I can agree with :)

neenah
07-10-2012, 02:40 AM
I always enjoyed Davydenko as a player. Nalbandian too, though.

They were both "around" for so long, always there but only infrequently making big splashes. I suppose Nalbandian made the bigger splashes, though I prefer Davydenko's career story personally.

Mountaindewslave
07-10-2012, 02:57 AM
so close....

but really more of you are putting Nalbandian???? I think you are saying this based on bias because he's so talented. obviously he was the better player of the TWO but Davydenko's career was so much better. Nalbandian has one advantage, slightly better Grand SLam results? very slightly as neither managed to win one.

they both have the masters cup, but Davydenko has more masters series titles, way more overall titles, way more career prize money, was at the top of the game for a longer and much more consistant amount of time.

sure Nalbandian has the prestige as always being looked at as the danger player of the two BUT career wise Davydenko wins by a decent margin. I think what's mistaken here is that people are letting 'prestige' and 'word of mouth' taint their opinions. Nalbandian is the bigger name but had the worse career

Chase Visa
07-10-2012, 02:58 AM
Nalby.

Kolya
07-10-2012, 03:01 AM
Even.

People tend to overlook Davydenko's consistency in the top 10 and that he has won more titles than Nalbandian.

Mark Lenders
07-10-2012, 03:02 AM
I like both. But Nalbandian is a very special player, Davydenko not so much.

You have to watch Nalbandian play at his prime to understand the genius. Few have played this game at the same level he did,

Freak3yman84
07-10-2012, 03:04 AM
Poll please?

stewietennis
07-10-2012, 03:09 AM
Talent doesn't always translate to a great career.

The question is who had the better career and the answer is clearly Davydenko.

abraxas21
07-10-2012, 05:04 AM
davydenko easily

BroTree123
07-10-2012, 05:51 AM
Davydenko:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252561&stc=1&d=1341899412

Nalbandian:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252562&stc=1&d=1341899429

Even if you take away Nalbandian's Wimby final, you could argue that his career was a little better than Davydenko's.

TBkeeper
07-10-2012, 06:19 AM
Davydenko maximized his talent and never got any choke vibes from me. Nalbadian on the other hand, has so much more talent than him but the results are that similar. Therefore Davy had a better carrer in fans eyes

Davydenko .. and not choking ? Where have you been my love :D:D:D:D it seems you don't know Davy that much he chokes a LOT !

By the way
Watch this clean BALL STRIKING by the two of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWf0ZJXUvqM

Mechlan
07-10-2012, 06:41 AM
Davydenko:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252561&stc=1&d=1341899412

Nalbandian:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252562&stc=1&d=1341899429

Even if you take away Nalbandian's Wimby final, you could argue that his career was a little better than Davydenko's.

Davydenko has more titles (21 to 11), more prize money, more years ended in the top 5, an extra MS title, and a Davis Cup title to his name. Nalbandian has the slam final.

To me it looks like Davydenko takes this on career achievements. Note, this is not who I think is the most talented, this is who I see being the most accomplished. David is one of the great underachievers of this generation.

TBkeeper
07-10-2012, 06:45 AM
I got to say that Davydenko underachieved too cause of his epic chokings in a lot of important matches must i mention them ?

GrantOz44
07-10-2012, 07:33 AM
Nalby

mickymouse
07-10-2012, 09:49 AM
It's got to be Davydenko. The FO 2005 final spot should have been his and who knows if he could have won. After all, he's had some excellent results playing Nadal.

BroTree123
07-10-2012, 09:58 AM
Davydenko has more titles (21 to 11), more prize money, more years ended in the top 5, an extra MS title, and a Davis Cup title to his name. Nalbandian has the slam final.

To me it looks like Davydenko takes this on career achievements. Note, this is not who I think is the most talented, this is who I see being the most accomplished. David is one of the great underachievers of this generation.

That's also a fair argument. Thanks, I forgot about that :facepalm:. Because like you said, on the other hand Davydenko's got way more titles than him and he's got higher ranked finishes to seasons. He's also way more consistent (but that role has switched recently). So yeah, without the slam final, Davydenko is easily the better player.

Action Jackson
07-10-2012, 10:25 AM
Poll Added

TBkeeper
07-10-2012, 10:59 AM
Hey i want to add that Davydenko has 1 DOUBLES titles + 2 doubles finals
and Nalbandian got only one final !

rocketassist
07-10-2012, 12:33 PM
Davydenko didn't necessarily 'maximise' his career I thought. He choked against Federer despite being in total control in 2006 and 2010 with very winnable rounds ahead of him. The Puerta one he was well on top in as well.

The guy was one of the best ballstrikers certainly of the latter half of this century and it's a shame he couldn't make a grand slam final. His WTF 09 performance coming through a draw from hell tells you how good he was.

Mark Lenders
05-05-2013, 12:45 AM
I think most would agree that Nalbandian and Davydenko are the two best/most accomplished players of the 00s without a Slam title to their names. Both fine ballstrikers, both big underachievers especially at Slam level - although both are multi Masters 1000 winners and WTF champions.

But who was the better player of the two, whose peak level was higher, who achieved more, etc...?

Regarding career achievements:

Nalbandian:

1 Slam final
4 semis (semis at all Slams)

1 WTF title from three tries.

2 Masters title beating Fedal back to back in both + 4 finals

11 overall titles from 24 finals (7 250s, 1 500)

Davydenko:

0 Slam finals
4 semis (only at RG and USO)

1 WTF title + 1 final

3 Masters 100 titles in 3 finals (beating Nadal in two of those)

21 titles from 27 finals (16 250s, 1 500)

As for an example of a great match they played (both against Nadal):

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I'd prefer the Miami 2008 final for Davydenko but unfortunately there are no good highlights of that one.

hipolymer
05-05-2013, 12:47 AM
I'll go with Nalbandian because he didn't choke to Federer as much as Davydenko did. Nalbandian was also affected by injuries much more so I'll give his superiority the benefit of the doubt.

rocketassist
05-05-2013, 01:05 AM
It's close but Nalbandian shades it for me. Slam final, bigger calibre of opponents defeated in big matches. Davydenko for all his great ballstriking, struggled against elite guys in the biggest tournaments. I think Nalby's peak is higher too.

leng jai
05-05-2013, 01:08 AM
Clearly Nalbandian. Davydenko's ceiling isn't that high - his main strength was that in his prime he kept up his level for sustained periods of time with very little variance.

Looner
05-05-2013, 01:08 AM
Definitely Nalbandian if taking into account peak level. Davy is a beast at his peak but David's just GS winner level. Shame he never got one.

Mark Lenders
05-05-2013, 01:14 AM
Clearly Nalbandian. Davydenko's ceiling isn't that high - his main strength was that in his prime he kept up his level for sustained periods of time with very little variance.

Eh? Check his playing activity for even his most successful years on tour - he was highly irregular, perhaps even more so than Nalbandian. Also very prone to burning himself out before Slams.

Unless what you mean is that Davydenko remained a top player for a longer period than Nalbandian, in which case I'd agree.

BauerAlmeida
05-05-2013, 01:17 AM
I think David was a bit superior. Both in terms of career and peak level.

I think Haas vs Davydenko would be a good comparison.

Mark Lenders
05-05-2013, 01:22 AM
I think David was a bit superior. Both in terms of career and peak level.

I think Haas vs Davydenko would be a good comparison.

In terms of career, it'd be a pretty pointless comparison.

Davydenko WTF/TMC winner > Haas hasn't even played in the year-end event ever

Davydenko 3 Masters 1000 > Haas 1

21 titles > 13

Also far more stability as a top player.


I suppose we could argue about peak level, but career wise Davydenko has done much, much better. Haas does have a Olympic silver medal going for him though, forgot that.

Honestly
05-05-2013, 01:25 AM
I'll go with Nalbandian because he didn't choke to Federer as much as Davydenko did. Nalbandian was also affected by injuries much more so I'll give his superiority the benefit of the doubt.

Davydenko didn't choke. He got outplayed. Hence Fat Dave is the winner here.

rocketassist
05-05-2013, 01:32 AM
Davydenko didn't choke. He got outplayed. Hence Fat Dave is the winner here.

Not always.

USO 06 and 07 Fed thumped him, but AO 06 and 10 Denko was in charge of both matches and shit his pants.

Mark Lenders
05-05-2013, 01:35 AM
Not always.

USO 06 and 07 Fed thumped him, but AO 06 and 10 Denko was in charge of both matches and shit his pants.

He was a bit unlucky to always be in Federer's half for hardcourt Slams (and even FO), could have finals otherwise. His best chance was AO 2007 when he was in Rafa's half; he lost 7-5 in the fifth to Haas in the QF. Had he made it through that one, I'd favor him to beat Gonzalez (despite Gonzo's form) since it's a highly favorable matchup for him.

BauerAlmeida
05-05-2013, 01:51 AM
In terms of career, it'd be a pretty pointless comparison.

Davydenko WTF/TMC winner > Haas hasn't even played in the year-end event ever

Davydenko 3 Masters 1000 > Haas 1

21 titles > 13

Also far more stability as a top player.


I suppose we could argue about peak level, but career wise Davydenko has done much, much better. Haas does have a Olympic silver medal going for him though, forgot that.

Yes. Of course Davy's career was better, but Haas' career was destroyed by injuries. In peak level they're close and also in terms of consistency (considering when Haas could stay injury-free for a relatively long period of time).

Johnny Groove
05-05-2013, 01:51 AM
Davydenko more steady overall week in and week out.

Peak level was obviously Nalbandian.

Dave had a 7-5 H2H lead overall.

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Honestly
05-05-2013, 01:55 AM
Not always.

USO 06 and 07 Fed thumped him, but AO 06 and 10 Denko was in charge of both matches and shit his pants.

AO 10 Fed played unbelievable to come back, 06 I don't remember.

rocketassist
05-05-2013, 02:01 AM
AO 10 Fed played unbelievable to come back, 06 I don't remember.

He played well towards the end of the match but Davydenko from having bp's for *4-1 went into complete and utter meltdown until 2-6 6-3 3-0 and then Fed played excellently from there IIRC, with Davy at least recovering in the 4th.

vpmrosulate
05-05-2013, 02:01 AM
Love both, but judging by those stats alone, I'd go with Nalbandian in most respects. Davydenko's finals record (and possibly career) is far better, but a lot of the finals are 250's, so considering just the biggest tournaments, there isn't a huge difference between their achievements. In terms of being well-rounded surface-wise, Nalbandian has done more on grass, and was a threat on any surface. His Madrid and Paris runs were hugely impressive, good indicators of peak level, and the fact that he didn't sustain that kind of level more often is unfortunate. Oh, and then there's the H2H in favor of Nalbandian.

I didn't realize before that Davydenko never made a slam final...

Mark Lenders
05-05-2013, 02:09 AM
Yes. Of course Davy's career was better, but Haas' career was destroyed by injuries. In peak level they're close and also in terms of consistency (considering when Haas could stay injury-free for a relatively long period of time).

I agree with this. That said, I made the comparison between Davydenko and Nalbandian because their achievements are very similar imo.

Davydenko has a slight edge in terms of first tier titles (3 Masters + WTF > 2 Masters + WTF), although Nalbandian's M1000 title runs were more memorable, and overall titles. He was also generally more consistent and lasted longer as a top player (until his wrist injury in 2010 really). But Nalbandian has the edge at Slams with a final and semis at all 4 Slams, and many would argue that he has a higher peak level.

They are in the same tier as players who did almost everything they could do in their careers bar winning a Slam - they have titles in all other categories really.

Arakasi
05-05-2013, 02:15 AM
I think in terms of career achievements Davydenko edges it for me. That finals record is fantastic and he maintained a consistent ranking for a long time.

It's also worth noting that Davydenko lost to Federer in 3 slam semifinals and 2 quarterfinals whereas Nalbandian only played him in one semi. Without that obstacle he'd easily have a few slam finals. He was also cheated in his only other semi when he lost to doping Puerta.

vpmrosulate
05-05-2013, 02:24 AM
I think in terms of career achievements Davydenko edges it for me. That finals record is fantastic and he maintained a consistent ranking for a long time.

It's also worth noting that Davydenko lost to Federer in 3 slam semifinals and 2 quarterfinals whereas Nalbandian only played him in one semi. Without that obstacle he'd easily have a few slam finals. He was also cheated in his only other semi when he lost to doping Puerta.

I'm not sure. Obviously Federer is a very tough opponent for anyone, especially in slams, but Davydenko lost to Federer just as much outside the slams (2-19 overall) whereas Nalbandian was a decent 8-11 against him. I'm not saying that with Davydenko's draw, Nalbandian would have done much better, but certainly at least somewhat better.

Mark Lenders
05-05-2013, 02:28 AM
I'm not sure. Obviously Federer is a very tough opponent for anyone, especially in slams, but Davydenko lost to Federer just as much outside the slams (2-19 overall) whereas Nalbandian was a decent 8-11 against him. I'm not saying that with Davydenko's draw, Nalbandian would have done much better, but certainly at least somewhat better.

Nalbandian definitely matched up better vs Federer, would have probably won the RG 2006 semi if not for injury and beat Fed twice at a Slam and in the final of the WTF. That only makes his failure to win a Slam stand out even more though, as Federer was by far the biggest obstacle and one that he could negotiate unlike Davydenko (not to mention he also matches up well vs Nadal).

ballbasher101
05-05-2013, 04:10 AM
I like both players. The Burger king edges it for me. At his best even Federer struggled to deal with him.

freeandlonely
05-05-2013, 04:17 AM
Nalbandian at peak has a shot at Federer at peak

abraxas21
05-05-2013, 04:19 AM
there is a thread about this already.

as for the answer, i think any true enlightened tennis fan knows its davydenko

TBkeeper
05-05-2013, 05:21 AM
there is a thread about this already.

as for the answer, i think any true enlightened tennis fan knows its davydenko

This ! Although Davy's peak lasts a few times in several matches ... His peak is sublime , In 2006 Paric-Bercy HRBATY said that he hasn't seen anything like that thrown at him ... simply unbeatable

Arakasi
05-05-2013, 07:29 AM
I'm not sure. Obviously Federer is a very tough opponent for anyone, especially in slams, but Davydenko lost to Federer just as much outside the slams (2-19 overall) whereas Nalbandian was a decent 8-11 against him. I'm not saying that with Davydenko's draw, Nalbandian would have done much better, but certainly at least somewhat better.

Nalbandian has a much better match up against Federer than Davydenko does. But my point was that win or lose, Nalbandian has hardly played Federer at the latter stages of a GS. Davydenko on the other hand has had his GS career largely defined by him. In the same way that Roddick is given a lot of slack for only winning one GS I think Davydenko would have been much more successful if Federer was out of the picture. And that has to count for something.

The Prince
05-05-2013, 11:11 AM
I've never understood this spiel about Davydenko being one of the best ball strikers of his generation. His game was all about foot speed. Now he's losing some foot speed, he's no good.

Burrow
05-05-2013, 11:30 AM
I've never understood this spiel about Davydenko being one of the best ball strikers of his generation. His game was all about foot speed. Now he's losing some foot speed, he's no good.

Davydenko was a very clean hitter. He took the ball earlier than anyone on tour and court hit the ball hard and flat in any direction. I don't understand how anyone can really dispute this.

The fact that he is a shadow of the player he was once is not only because of mobility, it's also much to do with confidence.

leng jai
05-05-2013, 11:34 AM
I've never understood this spiel about Davydenko being one of the best ball strikers of his generation. His game was all about foot speed. Now he's losing some foot speed, he's no good.

Watch again. Prime Davydenko was approaching Agassi levels of pure timing. How do you think a player of his physique achieved such high levels of power on a consistent basis? Contrast him to the manner that someone like Del Potro produces his velocity and it's night and day.

philosophicalarf
05-05-2013, 01:17 PM
Nalbandian imo had the higher innate ceiling ("talent" if you will) - a bit more power, capability of sharper attacking angles. We hardly ever saw that for more than a match at a time though.

On the other hand, Davydenko before his wrist injury (say July 2009 to Feb 2010) was looking like the #1 in that time. Just unfortunate he wasn't fit for the US Open, and he did blow it against Fed in the Aus when well ahead.

That match of course can be taken as an example of him not taking his chances on the bigger stage, perhaps a fair judgement. On the other hand, iirc Nalbandian hasn't beaten a top4 _outdoors_ since 2003. His legend was somewhat inflated by 07 Paris/Madrid, and it's not unfair to point out this is a period the top players don't always take at full throttle.

Timot
05-05-2013, 02:23 PM
Nalbandian's peak was definitely higher as he could challenge practically everyone in his best form, which was not the case with Davydenko against Fed.

Who was better overall? Pretty similar, but I'd still give a slight edge to Nalby, with that slam final he has.

peRfect-Tennis
05-05-2013, 03:08 PM
I'll go with Nalbandian because he didn't choke to Federer as much as Davydenko did. Nalbandian was also affected by injuries much more so I'll give his superiority the benefit of the doubt.

Davydenko never really choked against Fed. If anything he was pretty solid against him - WTF 2009 for example. Fed just outplayed him time and time again. Check the Rotterdam 2012 highlights.

TBkeeper
05-05-2013, 03:12 PM
Davydenko never really choked against Fed. If anything he was pretty solid against him - WTF 2009 for example. Fed just outplayed him time and time again. Check the Rotterdam 2012 highlights.

haha i'll tell you that:
2004 Miami R64 - Choke
2006 AO QF - Choke
2007 RG SF - Choke
2007 USO SF - Choke
2010 AO QF - Choke
2012 Roterdam SF - Choke

6 matches choked like hell :wavey:

LaFuria
05-05-2013, 04:06 PM
Nalbandian and it's not really close. Nalbandian's serve was Roddick like compared to Davydenko's.

Nalbandian was one of the last all-surface players before the surfaces were ruined.

Vinceremo
05-05-2013, 10:19 PM
few players can match David's peak level, really.

understandably and reasonably lopsided poll results.

ne znam ali mozda
05-05-2013, 10:53 PM
Of course Nalbandian..we never need a poll.

JarkaFish
05-05-2013, 11:20 PM
Nalby for sure, although the way Davydenko destroys Nadull on HCs is just :drool:

Topspindoctor
05-05-2013, 11:27 PM
Fatbandian and Baldenko were both hugely overrated. Both were no serve ball bashers with poor forehand, fitness and mental strength. Both players had zero chance to win a slam, yet many hyped these relatively poor players to high heavens. Their careers are similar also. Managed to win a few titles, but done jack shit on the big arena (slams).

BauerAlmeida
05-05-2013, 11:32 PM
Calling Nalbandian a ball basher is like calling Volandri a serve-bot.