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RG 2012 Final Nadal - Djokovic 6-4 6-3 2-6 1-2* play resumes monday 1pm

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HeretiC
06-10-2012, 07:03 PM
:mad:

Hian-GOAT
06-10-2012, 07:04 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnvnbcpCzE1qhafj6.gif

Nole would have won this if they had played today.
Lucky Shitdal.

TigerTim
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Humbliatio and his Gang have only delayed the inevitable. VAMOS Novak.

Chirag
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
best of luck Djokovic

Super Djoker
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
So annoying ! Get a damn roof !

SerialKillerToBe
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Unbelievable. Fuck tennis.

BroTree123
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Doesn't give an advantage to either player IMO.

zlaja777
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Shame. Djokovic totally had the momentum and was at his best before the break. I hope he can keep it up tomorrow, he has a break advantage so that's good.

fenomeno2111
06-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Nice source.

Wing Man Frank
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Nadal has to be the luckiest player to have ever lived. A draw that even he would have struggled to ask for, now this. Unreal.

BroTree123
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Chirag
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Oh well Nadal had the momentum last time .And the conditions were bad so wont blame Rafa for what he did :shrug:

ServeVolley
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Djokovic would have won if not for the rain. Might even have bageled Nadal in the fifth. :sad:

PitsOfTheWorld
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
For those of us in the US, the resumption is going to be on at 7am Eastern, on NBC SPORTS NETWORK. It used to be Versus. Most cable providers have it in the basic tier now, I believe.

superslam77
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
Doesn't give an advantage to either player IMO.

:cuckoo:
stopped after nole had won like 8 of 9 games

the biscuit
06-10-2012, 07:08 PM
Hopefully they will play better tomorrow, I was bored and couldn't even get pissed off at Rafa's poor play in the third/fourth.

Hian-GOAT
06-10-2012, 07:08 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Who knows. He is still a talentless scrub.

Action Jackson
06-10-2012, 07:08 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Yes he has.

Mystique
06-10-2012, 07:08 PM
This is really a bigger positive for Nadal than Djokovic. Had they continued on today, Djokovic with the momentum may have likely won the fourth set
Tomorrow will be a different story, its only one break and serving second for Djokovic. He has taken a while to settle down all tournament, will not have that luxury tomorrow.

anyway, its been a mug tourney all along, littered by one or two good matches. best thing would be to abandon the final :lol:

gulzhan
06-10-2012, 07:09 PM
Everyone knew it will be so. It was told yesterday that the final MAY be played between 3 and 6 (forecast of drizzle) and then postponed until Monday. It was said yesterday that there were no chance that the match will be played after 7 pm because of rain. Why all this farce by the tournament officials there and Nadal haters here?!

AntiTennis
06-10-2012, 07:09 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Yea, Miami 2005 against Federer (when finals were best of five), but never in a grand slam

Commander Data
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

To Federer :wavey:

fenomeno2111
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Nadal looked solid during the last game played and it was a new set. He had been broken already but not like it means much during this match...

There was a time when mtf was actually about tennis.

HNCS
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Simon Reed vs Uncle Toni proved too much for the universe to handle, decided to rain it out instead.

TigerTim
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Borg would never :o

Lopez
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Weird match so far, poor quality overall. Djokovic was dire the first two sets, Nadal was mainly solid save for a few great winners (and also some stupid errors). Down a break 2-0 in the third, Nole suddenly starts blitzing and gets 8 games in a row! Nadal held for 2*-1, down a break, before the delay.

I think Nadal will benefit from the delay, Nole seemed to have the momentum and Nadal seemed a bit tired. He'll have no problem chasing everything down for two (or one!) sets tomorrow. Djokovic might get some additional pressure since he's leading by the break.

Hope they'll finish it tomorrow at least... Poor weather coming up once again!

Hian-GOAT
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Nadal is so lucky :awww: little scrub.

ServeVolley
06-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Yes, and kind of ironically, it was to Federer (Miami F 2005).

Orka_n
06-10-2012, 07:11 PM
How hard is it to build a roof.

Mystique
06-10-2012, 07:11 PM
To Federer :wavey:

:lol: one of the great ironies of that rivalry...

gulzhan
06-10-2012, 07:11 PM
:cuckoo:
stopped after nole had won like 8 of 9 games

Stopped after Nadal won game with an ace followed by a clean winner. Nole haven't even moved. Well, because he couldn't. the court was so wet.

Looner
06-10-2012, 07:11 PM
Nadal looked solid during the last game played and it was a new set. He had been broken already but not like it means much during this match...

There was a time when mtf was actually about tennis.

That was before RN started killing the sport. So we're hoping for a liberation to occur from his boring style of tennis :wavey:

AntiTennis
06-10-2012, 07:11 PM
Simon Reed vs Uncle Toni proved too much for the universe to handle, decided to rain it out instead.
:haha:

Tennis-Life
06-10-2012, 07:12 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Miami 2005 to Federer 2-6, 6-7(4), 7-6(5), 6-3, 6-1

fenomeno2111
06-10-2012, 07:12 PM
We will know who the rain delay will 'favor' after the match is done tomorrow.

JurajCrane
06-10-2012, 07:13 PM
Tomorrow weather forecast is even worse than today. Add Nadal´s luck to my signature and you have a story of Roland Garros 2012.

Jamoz
06-10-2012, 07:13 PM
Djokovic can only play (and serve) better. This is in his racket.

RNW
06-10-2012, 07:13 PM
They should have start two or three hours earlier...
That is just unbelievable.

Even without rain: 1520 is very late for Nadal-Djokovic.

Ash86
06-10-2012, 07:13 PM
Really tough to call. Still sticking by Rafa but Novak needs to just win 1.5 sets in a day now - he's won 2 on clay in a day before so knows he can do it - winning 3 might have been hard but this is doable. Then again, Nadal will be angry at himself and will maybe finally play the way he can. Who knows?

This match should have been over in 3. Both Rafa and Fed have turned into chokers against Novak sadly - let's hope this one can be salvaged at least because that is not a match that deserves to be the one a Grand Slam is won on - bad from both.

Chirag
06-10-2012, 07:14 PM
Djokovic would have won if not for the rain. Might even have bageled Nadal in the fifth. :sad:

you are really going far :shrug:

the biscuit
06-10-2012, 07:14 PM
http://i50.tinypic.com/v3dfrk.png
:)

IsDonsIsGood
06-10-2012, 07:14 PM
Nadal was done. Tainted victory coming up tomorrow.

Allez
06-10-2012, 07:15 PM
Simon Reed vs Uncle Toni proved too much for the universe to handle, decided to rain it out instead.

:lol: Nice one :yeah:

Manequin75
06-10-2012, 07:15 PM
put a new poll up......curious to see what people think now.....

only three options:

Rafa in 4
Rafa in 5
Nole in 5

Ash86
06-10-2012, 07:16 PM
Also, the weather forecast even worse for tomorrow so maybe that helps Novak. Nadal won't get the topspin to work like he needs it to.

Freak3yman84
06-10-2012, 07:16 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

Nope :worship:

Nr 1 Fan
06-10-2012, 07:16 PM
Doesn't give an advantage to either player IMO.

You have to be kidding :eek: Nole was totally on fire and destroying Nadal, Rafa seemed to be helpless. I am not saying he would have won the whole thing, but the fourth would have practically been in the bag if they had continued for 15 more minutes.

Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?

I was wondering about that too?

BroTree123
06-10-2012, 07:17 PM
Yes, and kind of ironically, it was to Federer (Miami F 2005).

Ah yes, I forgot about that. Federer played great tennis to turn that one around, not much Nadal could have done at the time.

But what about grand slams? Any?

gulzhan
06-10-2012, 07:17 PM
Nadal is so lucky :awww: little scrub.

You said something very close to this lines just few lines earlier. You either have marasmus :hug: or short-term memory :scared: Very short!

Johnny Groove
06-10-2012, 07:17 PM
This match is just craziness.

juan27
06-10-2012, 07:19 PM
I hope than tomorrow will be back again djokovic 2011....

like in the 3 set and now.

djoko need play like this tomorrow and not like in 1 and 2 set.

I think nadal will win but if for a miracle nole win , maybe nadal`s mind death

Horatio Caine
06-10-2012, 07:19 PM
Doesn't give an advantage to either player IMO.

Agree.

Nadal benefits from the break as Djokovic was in the ascendancy. Nadal struggling to play effective defence in the increasingly difficult conditons - Djokovic having the good sense to get on top early in the exchanges. Lack of imagination from Nadal there, although playing more aggressively isn't usually a strategy for him.

Djokovic could benefit from the break in the sense that the match is now down to just two sets. He can throw everything he has left physically into the remaining games, and that is the key threat for Nadal. The match is now no longer a test of endurance, which is what it would have been if Djokovic had to fight back from 2 sets down to win in 5 hours, for example.


Will be very interesting tomorrow.

Nr 1 Fan
06-10-2012, 07:19 PM
The importance of this match has become huge now. If Nole takes it, it is truly a dream fashion to complete the 'Nole slam': beating Nadal at his own kingdom after coming back from 0-2. I do think it could be a heartbreaking loss for Nadal, it may even break him for the rest of the year. If Djokvic wins this, he is the king of tennis atm, no doubt about that anymore.

homogenius
06-10-2012, 07:19 PM
Rafa saved by the rain...
Incredible comeback from Novak once again.
It sucks he was so nervous at the begining and couldn't take one of the first 2 sets, but what a way to turn the things around :eek:

emotion
06-10-2012, 07:19 PM
Was a very low quality match, break will help Nadal :(

duong
06-10-2012, 07:20 PM
AJDE NOLE !!! Great player !!

A lot of wind expected tomorrow at 1 pm + Djokovic usually starting slowly against Nadal = very good for Nadal :sad:

Nr 1 Fan
06-10-2012, 07:21 PM
Agree.

Nadal benefits from the break as Djokovic was in the ascendancy. Nadal struggling to play effective defence in the increasingly difficult conditons - Djokovic having the good sense to get on top early in the exchanges. Lack of imagination from Nadal there, although playing more aggressively isn't usually a strategy for him.

Djokovic could benefit from the break in the sense that the match is now down to just two sets. He can throw everything he has left physically into the remaining games, and that is the key threat for Nadal. The match is now no longer a test of endurance, which is what it would have been if Djokovic had to fight back from 2 sets down to win in 5 hours, for example.


Will be very interesting tomorrow.

Djokovic seemed to have more left in the tank than Nadal early on in the fourth.

Andi-M
06-10-2012, 07:21 PM
http://i50.tinypic.com/v3dfrk.png
:)

So it could go on and on and on...the longer it goes on the more it effects their Wimbledon preparation. If it say dosent finish till Wednesday it will really screw them over.

NadalesDios
06-10-2012, 07:21 PM
Tomorrow with dry court Djokovic will be annihilated

coluta
06-10-2012, 07:21 PM
Lol at the neige mouillee :))

mickymouse
06-10-2012, 07:21 PM
Good for Djokovic even though yes, he may have lost the momentum. At least he knows the match is on his racket and what he needs to do to win it.

Manequin75
06-10-2012, 07:22 PM
where is that clay death dude when you need him :)

Lopez
06-10-2012, 07:23 PM
Also, the weather forecast even worse for tomorrow so maybe that helps Novak. Nadal won't get the topspin to work like he needs it to.

I think the bigger issue will be that Nadal is rested and will be able to defend like an animal. He seemed to tire today and did so in the US Open final as well in the fourth set. In AO it didn't seem to happen though...

Nr 1 Fan
06-10-2012, 07:23 PM
AJDE NOLE !!! Great player !!

A lot of wind expected tomorrow at 1 pm + Djokovic usually starting slowly against Nadal = very good for Nadal :sad:

Agree. Djokovic has to come out all guns blazing tomorrow, which he almost never does against Nadal (see how long it took him today).

ServeVolley
06-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Ah yes, I forgot about that. Federer played great tennis to turn that one around, not much Nadal could have done at the time.

But what about grand slams? Any?

According to this post (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6524199&postcount=2) it's only ever happened once in his career, so presumably not... :shrug:

philosophicalarf
06-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Ah yes, I forgot about that. Federer played great tennis to turn that one around, not much Nadal could have done at the time. But what about grand slams? Any?

No. Only three times he's been pegged back from 2-0 to 2-2 before taking the 5th:


(2) Rafael Nadal (1) Roger Federer Wimbledon 06/07/2008 Final Grass 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7 2.15
(2) Rafael Nadal (28) Robin Soderling Wimbledon 04/07/2007 Third Grass 6-4 6-4 6-7(7) 4-6 7-5 1.17
Rafael Nadal Ivo Heuberger U.S. Open 31/08/2004 First Hard 6-0 6-3 4-6 2-6 6-3 1.17



Kinda different scenario with the overnight break though. Also much slower conditions, whereas Sod/Fed in the above two were able to serve their way through two sets to level it up.

duong
06-10-2012, 07:24 PM
in second set, Djokovic opened too seldom to Nadal's forehand : he has to do it when the position is good, he came back too systematically to Nadal's backhand

Manequin75
06-10-2012, 07:24 PM
no one day rest between the two halves of this match :shrug:

mug era lol

after reading so much stupidity on MTF i guess it had to rub on ;)

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 07:25 PM
Has Nadal ever lost 8 games in a row, 4 back to back breaks of serves, at RG?
:eek:

BroTree123
06-10-2012, 07:26 PM
According to this post (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=6524199&postcount=2) it's only ever happened once in his career, so presumably not... :shrug:

Let's not get too carried away fucker :p

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-10-2012, 07:26 PM
nadal would have lost today

cannot believe the mental fragilility he displayed today

forever mars his "sampras" like mental ability he gets credit for

he was crying like a spoilt child today because he got outplayed by the better player on the day

HeretiC
06-10-2012, 07:26 PM
Dump, wet and slow conditions for both players: helping their defenses, hurting their offensive games, for Nadal lower bounce on his top spin and Djokovic gets such a poor penetration on his shots, he flattened that backhand crosscourt to the maximum and Nadal still easily gets to most of those. Djokovic went for broke in the third and it payed off, but could he have sustain such level for 2 more sets? His serve from the second part of the third set went from abysmal to decent, how will he serve tomorrow? Questions, questions...

Ash86
06-10-2012, 07:28 PM
Novak's father complained in an interview in the locker room that Toni was coaching throughout the match.

http://multimedia.quotidiano.net/ubitennis.shtml?tipo=media&media=26576

Interviewer wrong - Nadal has lost 8 games on clay before - to Federer in Hamburg. Nole's father saying that Nole is the best of history. Seriously - his father is such an idiot. Also says that Nole may be the greatest of all time on clay too in 4/5 years. Seriously here's hoping that Nadal wins to shut up these guys. :rolleyes:

Find it laughable that he's complaining about Toni when Novak was clearly looking at his box throughout the first 2 sets and talking to them too. Compare Srdjan to Robert Federer - just such a gulf in class. Poor Nole - his parents always make trouble for him.

Manequin75
06-10-2012, 07:28 PM
who knows who is winning man. Nadal was very disappointing. He wins as long as nole makes errors. When nole stopped making errors and kept with Nadal in rallies then Rafa showed signs of cracking.

I guess it took being two sets and a break down for Nole to think the match was challenging enough to wake up LOL. This guy is something else.

I am shuddering to even think what it would mean for Rafa to lose at RG finals after being up 2 sets to love and a break up. Unimaginable. If Rafa cant beat Nole here and now I dont know if he will ever beat nole in a slam. Painful :(

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-10-2012, 07:28 PM
if nole beats nadal now then i put him above rafa on the GOAT list

nole goes top 10
nadal gets pushed back down to top 20

nadal playing like lendl in his first slam final

MTwEeZi
06-10-2012, 07:29 PM
:zzz:

choppaa
06-10-2012, 07:31 PM
I'll pray for a fucking storm tomorrow in hope for this final to be canceled just to punish these idiot organizers. Why didn't they start an hour earlier?

MIMIC
06-10-2012, 07:31 PM
Nadal double bageled Monaco and will therefore trounce Djokovic!

Idiots

Johnny Groove
06-10-2012, 07:31 PM
if nole beats nadal now then i put him above rafa on the GOAT list

nole goes top 10
nadal gets pushed back down to top 20

nadal playing like lendl in his first slam final

Oh please :lol:

People acting as if Djokovic is 3 points from victory. Nadal is still ahead 2-1 in sets. This match is becoming more and more epic, and MTF is taking trolling to new levels.

Smoke944
06-10-2012, 07:33 PM
Dump, wet and slow conditions for both players: helping their defenses, hurting their offensive games, for Nadal lower bounce on his top spin and Djokovic gets such a poor penetration on his shots, he flattened that backhand crosscourt to the maximum and Nadal still easily gets to most of those. Djokovic went for broke in the third and it payed off, but could he have sustain such level for 2 more sets? His serve from the second part of the third set went from abysmal to decent, how will he serve tomorrow? Questions, questions...

Yup, this is a great point and it's a key to the difference in this matchup across surfaces. When he crushes one of those flat CC backhands on any other surface he either wins the point right there or gets a short reply to hit a winner on the next shot. On this damp, incredibly slow clay it's almost totally ineffective. He crushes it but it doesn't get through the court at all and Nadal has the time to set up and hit his patented heavy forehand up the line.

the cat
06-10-2012, 07:33 PM
Rafa will not sleep well tonight after inexplicably falling apart in the third set today. Novak is in his head. Should be interesting tomorrow. If Nole comes back to win this match and title and the Nole Slam and all that history of holding all 4 grand slams at once some people will say that is the greatest feat in tennis history. Now Nole still has to do it and if Rafa can re focus he should still win this but I am not sure he can re focus because I am sure Nole beleives he is in Nadal's head.

TigerTim
06-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Nole should have a hit with someone for a set pre-match. Get Federer or Murray for $1 million to do it asap

Whiznot
06-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Has Nadal ever lost leading 2 sets to love in any match before?


Federer came from two sets down and beat Nadal in Miami.:wavey:

nole_no1
06-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Nole had all the momentum :o

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 07:34 PM
Nadal was up 2-0. Then Novak turns it around and takes the next 8 games. Wins the 3rd set 6-2.

Was it purely because he went for broke like Soderling or was he helped by the weather after the rain?

If it rains right before play starts tomorrow, do you think it will it favour Nole?

Nr 1 Fan
06-10-2012, 07:35 PM
Oh please :lol:

People acting as if Djokovic is 3 points from victory. Nadal is still ahead 2-1 in sets. This match is becoming more and more epic, and MTF is taking trolling to new levels.

It is still a long way, but you have to agree it would be a great effort from Djokovic to come back against Nadal at his own home, on clay, to complete the grand slam, beating Nadal for the 4th time in a row in slam finals.

Yves.
06-10-2012, 07:35 PM
16 days later Roland Garros is still not finished :o

Also, very weird to have both Queens and Halle and Roland Garros simultaneously.

Yves.
06-10-2012, 07:36 PM
I wonder what Nadal will do about his appearance in Halle. He has two days tops to train for his Thursday match.

Wing Man Frank
06-10-2012, 07:38 PM
Rafa tards will tell you it was the conditions.

They'll conveniently ignore the fact that after the restart at *3-5 Nadal took three straight games and was cruising. I didn't hear anyone mention the court conditions as being a factor then. Once Djokovic stepped up his level, it suddenly became an issue.

NadalesDios
06-10-2012, 07:39 PM
Tomorrow the rain will not help Djokovic, Nadal is going to destroy him

Nr 1 Fan
06-10-2012, 07:39 PM
He didn't exactly went for broke, on the contrary: I felt like he was more patient, builfing up his points: he actually cut down on the UE's and didn't have thazt much winners in the set.

Beat
06-10-2012, 07:39 PM
they didn't finfish? how fittingly boring.

Matt01
06-10-2012, 07:41 PM
:scared:


Oh please :lol:

People acting as if Djokovic is 3 points from victory. Nadal is still ahead 2-1 in sets. This match is becoming more and more epic, and MTF is taking trolling to new levels.


This :lol:

Commander Data
06-10-2012, 07:45 PM
Novak's father complained in an interview in the locker room that Toni was coaching throughout the match.

http://multimedia.quotidiano.net/ubitennis.shtml?tipo=media&media=26576

Interviewer wrong - Nadal has lost 8 games on clay before - to Federer in Hamburg. Nole's father saying that Nole is the best of history. Seriously - his father is such an idiot. Also says that Nole may be the greatest of all time on clay too in 4/5 years. Seriously here's hoping that Nadal wins to shut up these guys. :rolleyes:

Find it laughable that he's complaining about Toni when Novak was clearly looking at his box throughout the first 2 sets and talking to them too. Compare Srdjan to Robert Federer - just such a gulf in class. Poor Nole - his parents always make trouble for him.

Novaks father :stupid: what a bunch of fake classless people on those camps.

Federer camp :worship:

Manequin75
06-10-2012, 07:48 PM
will this match have two asterikses for the winner? please tell me so I can plan my posts for tomorrow in advance? Also pls tell me which parties are involved in conspiracies to orchestrate all this so I can spin them in too. Thanks in advance for helping a lost soul.

I don't want to be left out in posting crap here.

Thanks

Allez
06-10-2012, 07:49 PM
Novak's father complained in an interview in the locker room that Toni was coaching throughout the match.

http://multimedia.quotidiano.net/ubitennis.shtml?tipo=media&media=26576

Interviewer wrong - Nadal has lost 8 games on clay before - to Federer in Hamburg. Nole's father saying that Nole is the best of history. Seriously - his father is such an idiot. Also says that Nole may be the greatest of all time on clay too in 4/5 years. Seriously here's hoping that Nadal wins to shut up these guys. :rolleyes:

Find it laughable that he's complaining about Toni when Novak was clearly looking at his box throughout the first 2 sets and talking to them too. Compare Srdjan to Robert Federer - just such a gulf in class. Poor Nole - his parents always make trouble for him.

:haha: :haha: Papa Nole :facepalm: If Nole wins this we will never hear the end of it :o

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 07:52 PM
Finish the match on Monday. Celebrate till evening. Reach Halle by Tuesday. Can Nadal do it?

fsoica
06-10-2012, 07:53 PM
when nole gave away that point that the umpire wanted to be replayed, he won the match. basically he told nadal he can take that point. nole has the game to destroy nadal on all surfaces, but he will only do it if the stars will align for him tomorrow to keep him mentally stable.

if not, rafa will win his last RG.

fsoica
06-10-2012, 07:54 PM
Finish the match on Monday. Celebrate till evening. Reach Halle by Tuesday. Can Nadal do it?

nole could do it , with a WC :)

HeretiC
06-10-2012, 07:54 PM
Yup, this is a great point and it's a key to the difference in this matchup across surfaces. When he crushes one of those flat CC backhands on any other surface he either wins the point right there or gets a short reply to hit a winner on the next shot. On this damp, incredibly slow clay it's almost totally ineffective. He crushes it but it doesn't get through the court at all and Nadal has the time to set up and hit his patented heavy forehand up the line.

Djokovic's shot making has been on a very high level today, on any other surface the scoreline would have been in his favor, probably even on a dry fast clay, but his serve was pathetic for a two and a half sets and he double faulted on 2 break points. Yet he broke Nadal 7 times already(before this Nadal has lost his serve only once in 6 matches :eek:), they both have equal points won 97:97. I was a bit surprised that he didn't play down the liners at all on both wings for 2 sets, but maybe rightfully cause when crosscourt shots are getting stuck in the mud losing huge portion of the velocity you can imagine what would have been with less paced down the line shots. But he started to play them to work up a points as soon as he saw that Nadal is getting a little bit slower and lost his depth on the shots. Tomorrow he will have to start from a scratch.

Shirogane
06-10-2012, 07:54 PM
Too bad, we finally had a match. :(

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 07:55 PM
Rafa tards will tell you it was the conditions.

They'll conveniently ignore the fact that after the restart at *3-5 Nadal took three straight games and was cruising. I didn't hear anyone mention the court conditions as being a factor then. Once Djokovic stepped up his level, it suddenly became an issue.

How more lucky can Nadal get? just when Djokovic was rolling over him and would have won the fourth set for sure, the rain comes and play suspended for tomorrow. More lives than a cat this rafa. :o

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 07:56 PM
Nole took 8 straight games over Nadal in Philip Chatrier! :hearts:

NID
06-10-2012, 08:00 PM
this match is on djokovic's racquet. if he gets first serves in consistently, he is more likely than not to take the fourth and then, who knows.
his ccbh was completely off for the better part of the match, and it is not just because of the wet clay. what worries me is that it seems to take him a while to get warmed up...

in any event, he is clearly in nadal's mind, irrespective of the result of this match. rafa can't blame it on conditions seriously - it's tennis, especially the clay - you do not play ballet, gotta handle whatever the elements serve.

OTOH this match has a strange uso10 vibe to it, subpar djokovic can't put a first serve in, a lot of breaks, rain interruptions, etc.



where is clay death with his topspin cyclones of fail? what should we book for tomorrow?

NadalesDios
06-10-2012, 08:00 PM
Nole took 8 straight games over Nadal in Philip Chatrier! :hearts:

Nadal took 2 straight sets over Nole in Philip Chatrier! :hearts:

mseles1
06-10-2012, 08:02 PM
Nadal took 2 straight sets over Nole in Philip Chatrier! :hearts:

10 str8 sets!

juan27
06-10-2012, 08:05 PM
the stop of the match not help nobody....

maybe rafa this night can`t sleep well knowing that the match was in his hands in the 3 set.....

and nole for the otherside with more confidence for tomorrow

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 08:05 PM
Nadal took 2 straight sets over Nole in Philip Chatrier! :hearts:

Not the same thing. Being cooked by some outsider in a court you OWN is :hearts:

NadalesDios
06-10-2012, 08:07 PM
Not the same thing. Being cooked by some outsider in a court you OWN is :hearts:

Nole took 8 straight games over Nadal in Philip Chatrier swimming pool!:hearts:

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 08:08 PM
Nole took 8 straight games over Nadal in Philip Chatrier swimming pool!:hearts:

The conditions are the same for everybody. :wavey:
Really, are you so desperate? :hearts:

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
06-10-2012, 08:09 PM
noles 1st serve in set 1- 49%
noles 1st serve in set 3- 75%

nadal cant do fuck all int this matchup
its ALL ABOUT DJOKOVIC

HeretiC
06-10-2012, 08:09 PM
the stop of the match not help nobody....

maybe rafa this night can`t sleep well knowing that the match was in his hands in the 3 set.....

and nole for the otherside with more confidence for tomorrow

I don't think he will have more confidence than he had today after winning 8 of the last 9 games and finally managing to penetrate through Nadal's defense.

NadalesDios
06-10-2012, 08:13 PM
The conditions are the same for everybody. :wavey:
Really, are you so desperate? :hearts:

You will see tomorrow in a dry court, djokovic will be destroyed.
Start praising for rain...

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 08:15 PM
Nole took 8 straight games over Nadal in Philip Chatrier swimming pool!:hearts:

Nadal took the first 3 games in that same pool. Then lost 8 straight games. :hearts:

philosophicalarf
06-10-2012, 08:15 PM
noles 1st serve in set 1- 49%
noles 1st serve in set 3- 75%
[B]



49% in set 1/2
79% in set 3/4


49% is pretty screwed up by Djokovic's standards. He's 64% career average vs Nadal.

juan27
06-10-2012, 08:16 PM
I don't think he will have more confidence than he had today after winning 8 of the last 9 games and finally managing to penetrate through Nadal's defense.

yes , but nadal escaped for another break and he maybe can broke nole again in the 2-1...

now , nole tomorrow start the match with advantage and more rest than today.

nole knows now that he is imside nadal`s mind and rafa todaymaybe has very ansiety and frustation knowing that him gifted nole the momentum

MIMIC
06-10-2012, 08:17 PM
You will see tomorrow in a dry court, djokovic will be destroyed.
Start praising for rain...

Praying for rain? Without this delay, Nadal would have lost MORE games in a row with the way Novak was playing.

HeretiC
06-10-2012, 08:18 PM
You will see tomorrow in a dry court, djokovic will be destroyed.
Start praising for rain...

Ok Bullzila, but will you "burn down" this account too if that doesn't happen?

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 08:18 PM
Nole's best > Nadal's best. On clay or on ice or on wood, Nole is simply more talented tennis player. More skilled. That's why this match-up depends more about Nole's form than Nadal's. Call me a tard but I really don't care what you Rafatards say. What happened in the 3rd set proves that I'm right. When Nole 2011 showed up, Nadal was hopless. Nadal can't play high risk tennis like the world n.1.

Roger the Dodger
06-10-2012, 08:19 PM
I only hope Novak can take it to a fifth. He has to be able to hold serve now, that's all. But knowing how he gets match rhythm, I won't be surprised if he loses the advantage he has right now.

NadalesDios
06-10-2012, 08:19 PM
Praying for rain? Without this delay, Nadal would have lost MORE games in a row with the way Novak was playing.

In a WET court, tomorrow in a DRY court Nadal will annihilate Djokovic

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 08:21 PM
The break came in perfect time for Nadal but I hope Nole shows up fully focused and with a good/solid serve.

SerialKillerToBe
06-10-2012, 08:21 PM
In a WET court, tomorrow in a DRY court Nadal will annihilate Djokovic

:stupid: Tomorrow won't be dry. It will be drizzling and 50% chance of rain throughout the ENTIRE day.

GOAT = Fed
06-10-2012, 08:22 PM
Pretty bad match. Again, both of them are never on fire at the same. Also is it, or whenever these two meet, serves are broken left, right and centre?

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 08:22 PM
In a WET court, tomorrow in a DRY court Nadal will annihilate Djokovic

You already said that Bulzilla. :wavey:

Ash86
06-10-2012, 08:22 PM
Nole's best > Nadal's best. On clay or on ice or on wood, Nole is simply more talented tennis player. More skilled. That's why this match-up depends more about Nole's form than Nadal's. Call me a tard but I really don't care what you Rafatards say. What happened in the 3rd set proves that I'm right. When Nole 2011 showed up, Nadal was hopless. Nadal can't play high risk tennis like the world n.1.

Not true. On clay Nadal's best is still better. Nadal was not playing ANYWHERE near his best on clay in the 3rd and 4th set. Nole wasn't either actually. That 3rd set proves Nadal can lose it mentally in bad conditions and finds it tough against Nole. Nothing more. Nadal 2008, the highest level on clay he has, would not lose to Nole 2011.

Nole 2011 wasn't on court much anyway. Nadal made a lot of UFEs in those run of games for Novak.

On grass Nadal's best would be better too. So no, Nole is not "more talented" - they're both different players and their peak games suit different surfaces.

Looner
06-10-2012, 08:24 PM
You will see tomorrow in a dry court, djokovic will be destroyed.
Start praising for rain...

:haha:. The amount of Nadulltards that emerge when he's close to winning the mud slam is amazing. Half of the people do not come here when he plays on HCs or he's losing. Just goes to show :shrug:.

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 08:24 PM
I only hope Novak can take it to a fifth. He has to be able to hold serve now, that's all. But knowing how he gets match rhythm, I won't be surprised if he loses the advantage he has right now.

The big problem for him that he is slow starter and his serve is shit most of the time. It took him 2 sets to wake up today. :o He should give his all tomorrow in the 4th set without making cheap errors. That won't be easy for sure but he has to.

Quadruple Tree
06-10-2012, 08:26 PM
I wonder what tricks the RG organizers have up their sleeves if their boy Nadal doesn't win the fourth set after they gave him the break to regroup. It would be funny if the umpire started calling time violations on Djokovic to rattle him.

MIMIC
06-10-2012, 08:26 PM
In a WET court, tomorrow in a DRY court Nadal will annihilate Djokovic

It has been wet all day, even during the 1st two sets.

The court ISN'T the problem. It's all about when Novak decides to show Nadal who's boss.

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 08:27 PM
Pretty bad match. Again, both of them are never on fire at the same. Also is it, or whenever these two meet, serves are broken left, right and centre?

Because it's impossible. When one player is playing their best, it's because his opponent isn't doing enough to put him in trouble/taking him out of his comfort zone. The idea of two players playing their best at the same time is beautiful, but impossible in a matchup sport like tennis.

As for the breaks, both have questionable serves and they are the two best ralliers on tour, Djokovic the best returners. No wonder they keep breaking each other.

heya
06-10-2012, 08:27 PM
fed cries at bad situations and insults opponents during line call challenges and press interviews, fed family let him..... bitter that fedal suck?

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 08:29 PM
It has been wet all day, even during the 1st two sets.

The court ISN'T the problem. It's all about when Novak decides to show Nadal who's boss.

Exactly. It's so evident.
Neither Nole nor Rafa were playing well today, blame it on the conditions, whatever. But in their matches you feel it's all on Nole's racket. Once his serve came back he started rutting Nadal like last year. Let's hope his serve doesn't desert him tomorrow.

Mateya
06-10-2012, 08:29 PM
Well damn...I can't wait for this match to be finished, need to come home early tommorow. :)

Kneedal in 4?
Kneedal in 5?
Godovic in 5?
:confused:

Novak seems to be a slow starter in Paris and that could cost him the title here tommorow.

GOAT = Fed
06-10-2012, 08:31 PM
Because it's impossible. When one player is playing their best, it's because his opponent isn't doing enough to put him in trouble/taking him out of his comfort zone. The idea of two players playing their best at the same time is beautiful, but impossible in a matchup sport like tennis.
Well we saw it in the third set of the USO. Yes it is hard because of their gamestyles but you would expect it more often from the world's best two.

As for the breaks, both have questionable serves and they are the two best ralliers on tour, Djokovic the best returners. No wonder they keep breaking each other.

Both have questionable serves, but I don't see them being broken as many times as they are when they face each other. Novak's return is first class, sure, but Rafa isn't exactly known for his returning prowess, he's more known to put serves back into play for rallies. You would expect more holds tbh. I mean, look at Novak, served very well against Roger but today his serve was very poor for the first two sets.

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Well we saw it in the third set of the USO. Yes it is hard because of their gamestyles but you would expect it more often from the world's best two.



Both have questionable serves, but I don't see them being broken as many times as they are when they face each other. Novak's is first class, sure, but Rafa isn't exactly known for his returning prowess, he's more known to put serves back into play for rallies. You would expect more holds tbh. I mean, look at Novak, served very well against Roger but today his serve was very poor for the first two sets.

Well, his serve today was like in 2010. I suspect it won't be the same tomorrow. And Nadal has doubts whenever he plays Djokovic, that much is clear. He said so himself in yesterday's presser.

rocketassist
06-10-2012, 08:34 PM
After Uncle Phony's antics hope Nole comes back even more so now.

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 08:34 PM
I think if Nole hold his next serves game, he will win the set most likely. He almost always loses his serves game in the opening game vs Nadal in a GS final but tomorrow any mistake will cost him much since he will lose the match if he loses the 4th set. If he gets broken, then Nadal will win most likely I think.

ServeVolley
06-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Let's face it, the match will be decided by how well Novak serves tomorrow.

Bad first serve % = GSM Nadal
Good first serve % = GSM Djokovic

:shrug:

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Well we saw it in the third set of the USO. Yes it is hard because of their gamestyles but you would expect it more often from the world's best two.



Both have questionable serves, but I don't see them being broken as many times as they are when they face each other. Novak's is first class, sure, but Rafa isn't exactly known for his returning prowess, he's more known to put serves back into play for rallies. You would expect more holds tbh. I mean, look at Novak, served very well against Roger but today his serve was very poor for the first two sets.

We saw them locked into a fierce battle. We certainly didn't see them both play their best, and we never will because it's, well, impossible.

Because they are both supreme ralliers. Novak can get away with his questionable serve against guys he can (relatively) easily outplay from the baseline, but not against Rafa. At times in their matches, serve is completely irrelevant as all points are decided from the baseline.

Looner
06-10-2012, 08:38 PM
As I said (and many others as well), this match will, strangely enough, be decided by the serve. RN's serve was very good in sets 1 and 2 and then Godovic got his serving percentage up.

Once Nole had some breathing space on his service games, he could push the pedal to the metal and go for his returns, assured he'll be able to press until he breaks, which he so easily does against RN on clay.

I hope he comes serving like Sampras tomorrow and owns RN in the 5th. It'll be glorious :inlove:.

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 08:39 PM
I think if Nole hold his next serves game, he will win the set most likely. He almost always loses his serves game in the opening game vs Nadal in a GS final but tomorrow any mistake will cost him much since he will lose the match if he loses the 4th set. If he gets broken, then Nadal will win most likely I think.

Disagree. In this match-up, serves doesn't mean that much and a break up is pretty much nothing. Novak could easily get broken and then break back. He needs to win four more games basically, not necessarily on serve.

If he does manage to serve well, it will be a huge advantage of course. His first serve is better than Rafa's, but Rafa is one of the most intelligent servers tennis has ever seen, his hold % is far higher than the actual quality of his serve. Nole always gets a great read on his serve, though, so he can break again at any time.

rafa_maniac
06-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Really dissapointing mental collapse from Nadal in that 3rd set, spent more time bitching about the conditions than focusing on his game. He's so scared of Nole these days though he forgets how to set up and finish those basic rallies he usually wins like clockwork on clay. Thankfully for him Nole was dire for 2 sets which gave him a nice buffer, because otherwise this would have been 3 easy sets for Nle.

GOAT = Fed
06-10-2012, 08:42 PM
Well, his serve today was like in 2010.
'tis true. But it picked up from the beginning of the third set and was consistent from then on.
I suspect it won't be the same tomorrow. And Nadal has doubts whenever he plays Djokovic, that much is clear. He said so himself in yesterday's presser.
:lol: It's quite possibly the best thing you can say to give your opponent more confidence (Unless he's trolling which I doubt :lol:)
We saw them locked into a fierce battle. We certainly didn't see them both play their best, and we never will because it's, well, impossible.
Obviously I'm not asking their absolute 100% best, but both playing at 80% of their level at the same time should happen more often. Usually their matches are very one sided all the time ie one is dominating the other.

Because they are both supreme ralliers. Novak can get away with his questionable serve against guys he can (relatively) easily outplay from the baseline,
This is true, but again, like I said, Rafa isn't the best returner in the world, and Novak was outplaying him last year from the baseline, yet still many times Novak was broken at random times (First two sets USO, Wimbledon, Australian '12, today)
At times in their matches, serve is completely irrelevant as all points are decided from the baseline.
Yeah this is true. But I still find it remarkable at how easily and frequently sometimes they break each other's serves

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 08:50 PM
Obviously I'm not asking their absolute 100% best, but both playing at 80% of their level at the same time should happen more often. Usually their matches are very one sided all the time ie one is dominating the other.


This is true, but again, like I said, Rafa isn't the best returner in the world, and Novak was outplaying him last year from the baseline, yet still many times Novak was broken at random times (First two sets USO, Wimbledon, Australian '12, today)

Yeah this is true. But I still find it remarkable at how easily and frequently sometimes they break each other's serves

Unlikely. When one player is 'redlining' they are in all likelihood putting the opponent in tough positions/nullifying their strengths. This is true to pretty much all matchups, not just this one. Spells of competitive, tight, non-serve based tennis have always been rare.

True about Rafa's return and Nole dominating from the baseline. But the differences between the two are slim, Nole's play needs to be almost perfect to dominate Rafa from the baseline. Just play two less than perfect points and he's suddenly down 0-30 without a dominant serve to bail him out, and the pressure mounts.

It's really no surprise there are so many breaks in this matchup, as well as, to a lesser extent, when any of these two plays vs Murray.

HelenShivers
06-10-2012, 08:54 PM
:)

Logical
06-10-2012, 08:59 PM
El Matador gifted to Djokovic set number three.He choked and played at 0.2 level in set number 3 because chair umpire did not stopped play when it is raining.

Clay Death
06-10-2012, 09:00 PM
i think clay warrior has fucked this up.

i am not buying what he is selling anymore.

so much for fed`s prediction that nadal was the "overwhelming" favorite. looks like we both forgot for a moment what a mental midget and a coward nadal has become. he cant dig in deep anymore.

its too close now. nadal cut it too close.

his only way out was to finish nole in straights otherwise he was going to find himself saddled with loss of confidence which is what has happened.

i am not buying the wet court bullshit. the court was the same on nole`s side of the net too.

nadal and tony are angry and frustrated because they cant close the sale.

shut the fuck up you 2 blundering morons and play the bloody game.

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 09:00 PM
Rafa fears Novak because he knows that if Nole plays his best tennis, he can't do much about it. However that best level of Nole is really hard to mentain so any drop of his level, Rafa might take advantage. What happens in the 4th set tomorrow depends on Nole's form. If he shows his WTA serve again tomorrow and some silly erros, Rafa will finish him in 4 for sure.

NID
06-10-2012, 09:00 PM
just checked the serving stats for the match. nadal's 1st serve in is on par with his previous games, but his winning percentage on 1st is down drastically.
djoko's first serve percentage is a LOT lower than it was during the tournament. if he can keep around 60% he might give himself just enough breathing space to clinch the fourth.

born_on_clay
06-10-2012, 09:01 PM
fuck France

HelenShivers
06-10-2012, 09:03 PM
jmm

TigerTim
06-10-2012, 09:04 PM
Nadal in 5. I honest still can't see Djokovic winning it. Nadal and Tio will be mentally strong come tommorow. Otherwise...

..http://jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bjorn-borg.jpg?w=450&h=300

Its a sight even I will have no pleasure in seeing. May the best man win!

juan27
06-10-2012, 09:05 PM
I have something very clear.....

not matters if nole win or not tomorrow , for me nadal will win , but nole with this performance knows 100% that he is inside nadal`s head , and maybe his full confidence against nadal back for the fast courts something similar that happen with nadal after the AO final , nole nkows that if he can force him in this way in rg , in fast courts he would destroy him again......

nole wll be out of rg with many confidence for the future.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-10-2012, 09:07 PM
PLEASE WIN RAFA PLEASEEEEEEEEE I AM GOING TO DIE

TigerTim
06-10-2012, 09:08 PM
PLEASE WIN RAFA PLEASEEEEEEEEE I AM GOING TO DIE

your going to have to learn how to deal with your favorite being in a dominant position in a slam and then choking it. Even Fedtards have come to understand this over time.

LinkMage
06-10-2012, 09:14 PM
Hopefully it rains all day tomorrow.

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 09:15 PM
PLEASE WIN RAFA PLEASEEEEEEEEE I AM GOING TO DIE

Are you for real? This is just a tennis match ffs not the end of the world.

:haha:

Jamoz
06-10-2012, 09:17 PM
Are you for real? This is just a tennis match ffs not the end of the world.

:haha:

Yes, she is dead serious, scary i know :scared:

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 09:19 PM
Regardless of the outcome, Djokovic should really work on his serve. Longevity at the top will be far easier if he doesn't have to fight for every point; more free points on serve would do him a world of good. I'm not asking him to serve like Isner, just a more solid serve than it currently is ffs.

He's by far the most consistent player off both wings on tour, but his serve can seriously let him down

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 09:20 PM
Regardless of the outcome, Djokovic should really work on his serve. Longevity at the top will be far easier if he doesn't have to fight for every point; more free points on serve would do him a world of good. I'm not asking him to serve like Isner, just a more solid serve than it currently is ffs.

He actually had quite a solid serve up until today. He's usually in the 70%. :shrug:
But obviously it's not a weapon like Federer's.

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 09:22 PM
^ Fully agree with you, Mark.

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 09:22 PM
He actually had quite a solid serve up until today. He's usually in the 70%. :shrug:
But obviously it's not a weapon like Federer's.

Yes, hence why he should try to make it a weapon. A time will come where he can't grind every point vs the best players in the world. A more dominant serve would help him remain a top player even after that happens.

Even against lower ranked players, he barely gets any free points at all, or at least not as many as he should.

Mjau!
06-10-2012, 09:26 PM
I now believe there is a slight chance of Nole winning this match. I will be on the edge of my feet if Novak takes the 4th!

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 09:26 PM
Yes, hence why he should try to make it a weapon. A time will come where he can't grind every point vs the best players in the world. A more dominant serve would help him remain a top player even after that happens.

Even against lower ranked players, he barely gets any free points at all, or at least not as many as he should.

Well he tried to change his serve and look what happened. It's not like he can do something about it. His serve doesn't bail him out on many occasions but maybe because of that he's become the best returner of all. You cannot have everything. :shrug:

Jamoz
06-10-2012, 09:30 PM
Well he tried to change his serve and look what happened. It's not like he can do something about it. His serve doesn't bail him out on many occasions but maybe because of that he's become the best returner of all. You cannot have everything. :shrug:

But you can. Peak Federer had the whole package, but it's rare indeed. ;)

Nole Rules
06-10-2012, 09:31 PM
Well he tried to change his serve and look what happened. It's not like he can do something about it. His serve doesn't bail him out on many occasions but maybe because of that he's become the best returner of all. You cannot have everything. :shrug:

His serve was great in 2007/2008 though. It was a big weapon but his serve hasn't been the same after he changed his serves motion.

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 09:32 PM
Well he tried to change his serve and look what happened. It's not like he can do something about it. His serve doesn't bail him out on many occasions but maybe because of that he's become the best returner of all. You cannot have everything. :shrug:

Indeed, he's the best returner of all and the most solid hitter of both wings as well. But I wish he could do more with his serve, obviously the Todd Martin experience was a fiasco, but I hope he can make some improvements. He obviously doesn't need them now, but in the future it will be important as he will not always move as well as he does now.

I could easily see Novak remain a top player (top 5 or better) even after his movement inevitably declines, say late 20s early 30s, if he could get some more free points off serve.

Smoke944
06-10-2012, 09:34 PM
Indeed, he's the best returner of all and the most solid hitter of both wings as well. But I wish he could do more with his serve, obviously the Todd Martin experience was a fiasco, but I hope he can make some improvements. He obviously doesn't need them now, but in the future it will be important as he will not always move as well as he does now.

I could easily see Novak remain a top player (top 5 or better) even after his movement inevitably declines if he could get some more free points off serve.

Agreed. Because he will always have the ability to take control of the point off the return. But he will have to balance that out with free points on his serve, because as you said he won't be able to play defense as well in the future and will have to rely on first strikes tennis more in the future, which he is certainly capable of doing.

philosophicalarf
06-10-2012, 09:34 PM
I now believe there is a slight chance of Nole winning this match. I will be on the edge of my feet if Novak takes the 4th!

30% says Betfair. More than prematch.

shadows
06-10-2012, 09:34 PM
Weather ruining what was finally becoming an interesting final.

tbh it's been a bit of a shit match really. Lots of good points of course, but lots of really mediocre ones, and Djokovic was unable to maintain any kind of form for more than a game or two in the first two sets.

Momentum was firmly on his side before the rains came and he'd have almost definitely taken it to a fifth, but with a fresh start tomorrow I've got no idea what will happen. Nadal got rather lucky that they did have to come off.

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 09:40 PM
Agreed. Because he will always have the ability to take control of the point off the return. But he will have to balance that out with free points on his serve, because as you said he won't be able to play defense as well in the future and will have to rely on first strikes tennis more in the future, which he is certainly capable of doing.

Yup. He's definitely capable of playing first strike tennis very well. His combination of power, consistency and depth off the ground, off both wings, is unique on tour, I think.

He can even often outhit the big hitters (Berdych, Tsonga...) at their own game and has often done it, he has the game to employ a big hitting strategy very successfully. It's a shame conditions force him to play more defensively against guys like Nadal, because he's awesome to watch when swinging freely.

zigga
06-10-2012, 09:44 PM
Still think Rafa is going to win. But I hope and pray for Nole to win :cheerleader:

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 09:58 PM
Yup. He's definitely capable of playing first strike tennis very well. His combination of power, consistency and depth off the ground, off both wings, is unique on tour, I think.

He can even often outhit the big hitters (Berdych, Tsonga...) at their own game and has often done it, he has the game to employ a big hitting strategy very successfully. It's a shame conditions force him to play more defensively against guys like Nadal, because he's awesome to watch when swinging freely.

Yeah. It's a shame he can not do it more often. But when he plays freely with no fear, I believe he's unstoppable.

swebright
06-10-2012, 10:02 PM
Nole has lost his momentum and advantage, but I hope he'll come back with Nole 2.0 tomorrow. No time to get warmed up. Get right into the match.
Good luck, Nole.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-10-2012, 10:04 PM
Mark, this is nonsense Rafa wants to win Roland Garros no 7. He doesnt care about how he wins it

Ace Pounder
06-10-2012, 10:04 PM
Let's hope Novak will keep the momentum with him tomorrow.

Ash86
06-10-2012, 10:07 PM
Let's hope Novak will keep the momentum with him tomorrow.

Surprised when Roger fans root for Novak - Novak winning is not particularly good for Roger as he'll have done the one thing Roger couldn't. Holding all 4 at once and beating Rafa at RG.

Thing tomorrow is a total toss up - who knows what will happen now. Head saying Nole. Heart Nadal. Glad to be at work and not stressed by watching it like today was!

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 10:12 PM
Surprised when Roger fans root for Novak - Novak winning is not particularly good for Roger as he'll have done the one thing Roger couldn't. Holding all 4 at once and beating Rafa at RG.

Thing tomorrow is a total toss up - who knows what will happen now. Head saying Nole. Heart Nadal. Glad to be at work and not stressed by watching it like today was!

You're mixing fans with tards. Roger's fans - those who like regardless of his titles - are happy to watch him play and know that no matter what happens nothing can tarnish what he has done in the sport.

Tards are more obsessed about his records, they would probably prefer Federer never to win a Slam again than Federer winning 2 more but Nadal getting 20.

He probably doesn't care that Novak can do something Roger never did because, really, why should he? Even if he were an insecure fan, Roger has done tons of stuff no one else did. And records are meant to be broken anyway.

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 10:13 PM
Surprised when Roger fans root for Novak - Novak winning is not particularly good for Roger as he'll have done the one thing Roger couldn't. Holding all 4 at once and beating Rafa at RG.

Thing tomorrow is a total toss up - who knows what will happen now. Head saying Nole. Heart Nadal. Glad to be at work and not stressed by watching it like today was!

I know. Tomorrow it will be anti-climatic. I will have to follow the scores on my computer at work while trying to keep my composure. :o

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 10:14 PM
You're mixing fans with tards. Roger's fans are happy to watch him play and know that no matter what happens nothing can tarnish what he has done in the sport.

Tards are more obsessed about his records, they would probably prefer Federer never to win a Slam again than Federer winning 2 more but Nadal getting 20.

He probably doesn't care that Novak can do something Roger never did because, really, why should he? Even if he were an insecure fan, Roger has done tons of stuff no one else did.

Exactly, It's not like we nole fans expect Djoker to take 16 slams. I just want him to have his own legendary record, the one that no one else could. :)

hiperborejac
06-10-2012, 10:16 PM
Anyone remember of coin toss? Who won it? I'd really pick for Novak to serve in any match but not ag. Nadal in RG final. He really needed few games to enter the match and to shake off that nervousness. Break ahead in 4th set isn't really advantage for him cause of slow start. Hope he can focus right from the beginning and win that 4th set. Then it'll be all open for 5th with Novak's small mental advantage.

Mark Lenders
06-10-2012, 10:23 PM
Exactly, It's not like we nole fans expect Djoker to take 16 slams. I just want him to have his own legendary record, the one that no one else could. :)

Yeah. Even if he does lose tomorrow, he has his place in tennis history assured. 5 Slams (probably more to come), several weeks at #1, the one to dethrone Fedal, his 2011 season... and maybe the Nole Slam if all goes well tomorrow.

Amazing really. Always had a soft spot for Novak, first player I've ever got an autograph from (Estoril 2007 before his final against Gasquet) and one of the nicest guys on tour. And always thought he'd be great, but not this great. Couldn't be happier for him, though.

piksi
06-10-2012, 10:25 PM
Gary Roy ˇ Birmingham UK
I wish this comment could be liked by millions as it needs to be highlighted. The gesture in the second set when Djokovic conceded a point when the rules say it should have been replayed ( a Nole shot was called out when it was in fact in, although Rafa hit the next shot for a winner) was a bigger deal than winning four majors in a row or 7 FO's. It was a display of sportsmanship that every child in the world should be shown, it was brilliant and shows what an amazing man he is, I would not have conceded that point, and 99% of people I'm sure would not have done. I do want Rafa to win as he is my favourite player, but Djokovic is all class, a gentleman, and a better man than I'll ever be and a true inspiration. If only footballers could display such class instead of always trying to cheat the referee. Novak Djokovic - a champion in every sense of the word.


:worship::worship::worship:

ossie
06-10-2012, 10:32 PM
thanks for mentioning that piksi it was indeed great sportsmanship by the djoker but it still won't excuse him losing being behind two sets here after playing some very sloppy tennis :facepalm: . yes he is a break up in the third but with nadal returning almost every ball that is being played it is going to be a very tough task for djoker to win here which is a shame because it was very doable.

Ace Pounder
06-10-2012, 10:34 PM
Surprised when Roger fans root for Novak - Novak winning is not particularly good for Roger as he'll have done the one thing Roger couldn't. Holding all 4 at once and beating Rafa at RG.

Thing tomorrow is a total toss up - who knows what will happen now. Head saying Nole. Heart Nadal. Glad to be at work and not stressed by watching it like today was!

Well... I like Novak's game a lot more than Nadal's (even if I can appreciate the latter's for what it is).
And when it comes to Roger, yeah, it is hard to say which one I would prefer: Novak winning this F0 and holding all 4 slams and keeping Rafa's GS count at 10, or Nadal winning this FO and do exactly to Novak what he did to Roger (to prevent from holding the 4 slams) in 2006 and 2007.

But really, all that counts is the quality of the game. And Novak, to me, has the best (or, let's say, the most enjoyable) of the 2. So I will root for him.

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 10:35 PM
:worship::worship::worship:

I don't know who that Gary guy is but my answer to him :hatoff:

hiperborejac
06-10-2012, 10:35 PM
:worship::worship::worship:

:worship::worship::worship:
Di Canio like :yeah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdf5ZLbtYo

careergrandslam
06-10-2012, 10:37 PM
hope nole humiliates this spanish clown and sends him back to his country.

so sick of this spanish mug and his defensive bullsh*t.

i really hope nole can bagel nadull in the 5th set.
nadull makes me sick, his play is ugly and not worthy of a 10 slam winner.
always defensive, does he have any attacking abilities?
the guy can only win if the other guy makes errors, all his winners are passing shots.
no serve, no return, no attacking ability, just a wozniacki style retriever.

nole better not choke this, i want nadull in retirement after getting his 4th consequrive slam plate tomorrow.

Allez
06-10-2012, 10:37 PM
PLEASE WIN RAFA PLEASEEEEEEEEE I AM GOING TO DIE

:haha: :haha: But this could be serious :unsure: Please can someone contact Sweet Cleopatra's parents pronto :scared:

HeretiC
06-10-2012, 10:39 PM
hope nole humiliates this spanish clown and sends him back to his country.

so sick of this spanish mug and his defensive bullsh*t.

i really hope nole can bagel nadull in the 5th set.
nadull makes me sick, his play is ugly and not worthy of a 10 slam winner.
always defensive, does he have any attacking abilities?
the guy can only win if the other guy makes errors, all his winners are passing shots.
no serve, no return, no attacking ability, just a wozniacki style retriever.

nole better not choke this, i want nadull in retirement after getting his 4th consequrive slam plate tomorrow.

Fedfan2007 :worship: :superlol:

Allez
06-10-2012, 10:43 PM
There are going to be a lot of angry tards when Rafa pulls this off in 4 sets :lol:

Tennis-Life
06-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Nadal missed his chance to make it in straight sets, from now on its all about Djokovic.
Djokovic will dictates his game to Nadal and win it in 5.

Tennis-Life
06-10-2012, 10:46 PM
hope nole humiliates this spanish clown and sends him back to his country.

so sick of this spanish mug and his defensive bullsh*t.

i really hope nole can bagel nadull in the 5th set.
nadull makes me sick, his play is ugly and not worthy of a 10 slam winner.
always defensive, does he have any attacking abilities?
the guy can only win if the other guy makes errors, all his winners are passing shots.
no serve, no return, no attacking ability, just a wozniacki style retriever.

nole better not choke this, i want nadull in retirement after getting his 4th consequrive slam plate tomorrow.

welcome back its been a long time

Super Djoker
06-10-2012, 10:48 PM
All the momentum was with Djokovic and Nadal was exhausted ! It,s the same for both ! Novak started nervous and that run of 8 games would of given him loads of belief that he can pull this off !

Lee
06-10-2012, 10:48 PM
thanks for mentioning that piksi it was indeed great sportsmanship by the djoker but it still won't excuse him losing being behind two sets here after playing some very sloppy tennis :facepalm: . yes he is a break up in the third but with nadal returning almost every ball that is being played it is going to be a very tough task for djoker to win here which is a shame because it was very doable.

Nole won third set already. He is up a break in fourth. :p

NJ88
06-10-2012, 10:49 PM
If play had continued, I honestly think Djokovic would have won in five sets.

I'm not so sure now since all the momentum was with Djoko when they went into the break. I just hope that he can continue playing as he was right before play was suspended because he was pretty much unstoppable.I think Djokovic takes the fourth and after that it's anyones final set. We just have to see how it swings tomorrow (if its not raining). My heart says Djokovic and my head says Nadal.

careergrandslam
06-10-2012, 10:51 PM
All the momentum was with Djokovic and Nadal was exhausted ! It,s the same for both ! Novak started nervous and that run of 8 games would of given him loads of belief that he can pull this off !
exactly, nole now knows he can destroy nadull in his own back yard.

6-1 5th set for nole.

Mjau!
06-10-2012, 10:51 PM
:worship::worship::worship:

I think it's sad that people are impressed when an athlete doesn't want to take advantage of an error by an official.

superslam77
06-10-2012, 10:53 PM
Mark, this is nonsense Rafa wants to win Roland Garros no 7. He doesnt care about how he wins it

that's everything that is wrong with nadal and his fans.

Allez
06-10-2012, 10:54 PM
Some legless tards abandoning Rafa like rats on a sinking ship. Rafa is leading 2-1. Show some courage you clowns :smash: Nole is a notorious slow starter. This could all be over in a blink of an eye.

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 10:56 PM
Rain Forces Nadal-Djokovic French Open Final To Monday, Who Has The Edge Now?
by Sean Randall (http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-06-10/9906.php#comment-279395)

Mother Nature has it out for Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. For third time in the last nine months rain has forced these two titans of tennis to complete a tournament final on a Monday.

The late tournament rains at the US Open made Djokovic wait an extra day to collect his first US Open. Then at Rome last month Nadal made the most of the Monday reclaming the Foro Italico. Hell, even the epic Australian Open final went into Monday morning.

So it’s almost fitting these two will decide another title on a Monday. This one of course has so much history on the line.

As for match, it’s gone close to form. Nadal, who’s been so great all tournament, was a little off his game today. But no fuss because Djokovic continued his rollercoaster, patchy form.

Under threatining skies amid damp conditions, Nadal roared out by two breaks 3-0, 30-0 before Djokovic stunningly fought back to even.

Nadal still managed to grab the first set, then the second which was interrupted with Nadal serving at 5-3 by the first rain delay. But it didn’t last long when the players came back some 40 minutes later in the drizzle Nadal sealed the second, got the early break for 2-0 in the third. At that point, it was no longer a question of if but when Nadal would close it out - 15 minutes, 30 minutes? And that’s when something happened.

With the conditions worsening - not just the weather, but Djokovic’s chances down a break in the third - something clicked in the Serb’s game, and suddenly went he “superhuman”.

Djokovic unbelievably ripped off six straight games to take the third and two more to go up a break in the fourth. Nadal, who was already irritated by having to play through the wetness now had to deal with his nemisis Djokovic who had jumped in that time machine back to 2011.

And like that, we had a match.

When the refs finally stopped it Nadal led 6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 1-2 with Djokovic serving up a break in the fourth. “Rafa,” Stefan Fransson, “didn’t really want to play on, and Novak said that the court was too slippery to play on.”

And that’s fortunate for Nadal because Djokovic was in one of those video game-like zones. As I’ve said before, Djokovic’s best beats Nadal’s best, especially on clay where Djokovic can get to more balls, do more with them and really exploit Nadal’s serve. And that’s what was happening toward the end.

Djokovic, who didn’t serve well to start, picked up his serving 48%, 50% and then 75% first serves in each set going forward.

Meanwhile, Nadal’s delivery was dropping like a rock in each successive set, bottoming out in that third when he managed to win just 10 points on serve. TEN! Remember, Nadal had only lost serve once all tournament. Today, Djokovic already got him seven times (Nadal also broke Djokovic seven tims as well).

Also, watching the match I just felt like Nadal was playing too far behind the baseline allowing Djokovic to attack with those angles. With that court positioning, if Djokovic is on he wins, if he isn’t he loses. It’s really in his hands.

As for tomorrow, I think the rain will diffuse a little of the momentum of Djokovic had accrued. It should also help Nadal gameplan for Monday.

Djokovic, though, has to be feeling good and once again feeling free. Down two sets and a break the match was effectively over but as we’ve seen many times before - especially in women’s tennis - when players almost accept defeat that’s when they play their best. I’m not saying Djokovic knew it was over, rather I think he just loosened up knowing things couldn’t get much worse and he began going for more, and it worked. Novak beat Federer like that at the US Open last year, he beat Tsonga too.

Tomorrow I think Nadal regroups and gets back in control of the match. Djokovic has come out flat a few times this tournament - Seppi and twice today at the start and after the first rain delay - so the resumption will be key.

That said, if Djokovic can maintain that form he can win this. Not only does he have the game but he also has the belief because he’s done it three times before in Grand Slam finals, even on a Monday. And he’s still riding that destiny thing. Imagine becoming the first player to beat Nadal from two sets down on clay, do it in Chatrier and the reward is career Slam.

After lackluster start it looks like we are headed for another fantastic finish.

NBC Sports Network (not normal network NBC we in the U.S. watched today) will air the match live starting at 7am ET. NBCSN took over for the old “Versus” network and many cable providers offer it. The match will also be streamed live on NBCSports.com. But it will not be on regular NBC.

ossie
06-10-2012, 10:57 PM
Nole won third set already. He is up a break in fourth. :pmy bad, the job is still far from done though.

Mr. Oracle
06-10-2012, 10:57 PM
It's a sight to behold when a player can withstand an epic rally with nadal time and time again. Wimbledon, AO this year, and today a 42 stroke rally which ended with the greatest clay court player of all time blinking once again. I'm in awe. I prophesied yesterday that it would be this way; that the affects of grinding rallies which have haunted Nadal for the past year would continue in the final. Djoker is feeding off of the extended rallies while they are taking an obvious mental toll on Nadal. The body language, the shanks, and the smack talk to the organizer were all signs of his game heading south.

I fear that Nadal will now regroup and neutralize the advantage that Novak worked hard to obtain over 3 sets! You see, winning RG or any slam is a 5 set affair and not a best of 3 match. Unfortunate break in play today but I hope all clowns like Clay Death will change their rhetoric now and show some respect to the world #1 and recognize just how fallible their hero is ON ALL SURFACES.

Nevertheless, I will congratulate Nadal should he win however tainted the win will be. Had that match continued today, with the swing in momentum, and looking at their previous match history, we would be enjoying the Nole slam today.

Allez
06-10-2012, 11:02 PM
It's a sight to behold when a player can withstand an epic rally with nadal time and time again. Wimbledon, AO this year, and today a 42 stroke rally which ended with the greatest clay court player of all time blinking once again. I'm in awe. I prophesied yesterday that it would be this way. That the eventual grind which has haunted Nadal for the past year would continue in the final. Djoker is feeding off of the extended rallies while they are taking an obvious mental toll on Nadal. The body language, the shanks, and the smack talk to the organizer were all signs of his game heading south.

I fear that Nadal will now regroup and neutralize the advantage that Novak worked hard to obtain over 3 sets! You see, winning RG or any slam is a 5 set affair and not a best of 3 match. Unfortunate break in play today but I hope all clowns like Clay Death will change their rhetoric now and show some respect to the world #1 and recognize just how fallible their hero is ON ALL SURFACES.

Nevertheless, I will congratulate Nadal should he win however tainted the win will be. Had that match continued today, with the swing in momentum, and looking at their previous match history, we would be enjoying the Nole slam today.

That is a great post. No tardism there. The unvarnished truth. The break favours Rafa no question about it, but Nole has shown he is more than capable on this surface. He's doing what no one has ever been able to do against Rafa at this stage of the tournament. He deserves a lot of respect.

careergrandslam
06-10-2012, 11:03 PM
its destiny for nole to win this.

MaratandMilos
06-10-2012, 11:06 PM
It's up to Djokovic to save tennis tomorrow from Uncle Toni and his pusher protégé. Let's hope he does it.

MaratandMilos
06-10-2012, 11:08 PM
It's a sight to behold when a player can withstand an epic rally with nadal time and time again. Wimbledon, AO this year, and today a 42 stroke rally which ended with the greatest clay court player of all time blinking once again. I'm in awe. I prophesied yesterday that it would be this way; that the affects of grinding rallies which have haunted Nadal for the past year would continue in the final. Djoker is feeding off of the extended rallies while they are taking an obvious mental toll on Nadal. The body language, the shanks, and the smack talk to the organizer were all signs of his game heading south.

I fear that Nadal will now regroup and neutralize the advantage that Novak worked hard to obtain over 3 sets! You see, winning RG or any slam is a 5 set affair and not a best of 3 match. Unfortunate break in play today but I hope all clowns like Clay Death will change their rhetoric now and show some respect to the world #1 and recognize just how fallible their hero is ON ALL SURFACES.

Nevertheless, I will congratulate Nadal should he win however tainted the win will be. Had that match continued today, with the swing in momentum, and looking at their previous match history, we would be enjoying the Nole slam today.
Yes. It's a pity that we were so close to seeing some real history, but we may still see it yet. At the very least we saw that Djokovic at his best can take Nadal, even on this surface.

Nole fan
06-10-2012, 11:09 PM
Mats Wilander: if Nole wins it, he would be considered second best in the open era, behind Roger Federer.

Mosquito3
06-10-2012, 11:12 PM
Hahaha...Djokovic without a decent serve still could fight against this powerful and amazing Nadal and also win a set :haha:

tennizen
06-10-2012, 11:13 PM
Indeed, he's the best returner of all and the most solid hitter of both wings as well. But I wish he could do more with his serve, obviously the Todd Martin experience was a fiasco, but I hope he can make some improvements. He obviously doesn't need them now, but in the future it will be important as he will not always move as well as he does now.

I could easily see Novak remain a top player (top 5 or better) even after his movement inevitably declines, say late 20s early 30s, if he could get some more free points off serve.

I think he's been serving better this year( or at least trying to) and kept the grinding down to a minimum since the AO. But still not doing it on a consistent basis.

NID
06-10-2012, 11:13 PM
There are going to be a lot of angry tards when Rafa pulls this off in 4 sets :lol:

most likely. :)
if djoko comes out cold again, he is toast.
expect to see 'generals' and 'commanders' around in full force.

Allez
06-10-2012, 11:13 PM
That's some serious trolling from Mats as usual. However Mark Petchey reckons if Nole wins then he is the best in this generation, ahead of Roger so all these commentators seem to have gone mad. I mean we have to wait until Nole wins at least 10 slams before saying things like these.

Jamoz
06-10-2012, 11:15 PM
Damn those ass kissers :facepalm:

sicko
06-10-2012, 11:19 PM
I think rafa is gonna be far more nervous than nole tomorrow. nole is in his head, it was evident once nole stepped it up.

I am amazed that nole is still at 3.45 for the match win. given that nole had all the momentum, is up a break in the 4th and the history of their last GS finals, this is more like 50/50 right now.

Fireballer
06-10-2012, 11:19 PM
Mats Wilander: if Nole wins it, he would be considered second best in the open era, behind Roger Federer.

he should

BodyServe
06-10-2012, 11:22 PM
The sad thing is, like a lot of people, i will miss it because of fcking work.

Matt01
06-10-2012, 11:30 PM
I think it's sad that people are impressed when an athlete doesn't want to take advantage of an error by an official.


And I think you are sad.

Lee
06-10-2012, 11:33 PM
:lol: Tignor

Any Given Monday 06/10/2012 - 5:36 PM


PARIS—Novak Djokovic vs. Rafael Nadal: It is, undeniably, the greatest Monday rivalry in history. Their U.S. Open finals in 2010 and ’11; their Australian Open final in 2012; their Rome final from last week, and now this one, all finished on a Monday. These guys really can’t do anything on time, can they?

KaptainKrunch
06-10-2012, 11:43 PM
Mats Wilander: if Nole wins it, he would be considered second best in the open era, behind Roger Federer.

No. :lol:

Il Primo Uomo
06-10-2012, 11:57 PM
Nadal is acting like such a punk bish. Regroup, man up son!

Mjau!
06-11-2012, 12:07 AM
And I think you are sad.

:rolleyes: It's sad because it should be viewed as a given, not a rarity that makes you :eek:.

Mr. Oracle
06-11-2012, 12:15 AM
most likely. :)
if djoko comes out cold again, he is toast.
expect to see 'generals' and 'commanders' around in full force.

LOL "the general" is in the war-room now with the other "toothless ejuacuzees" saying what the frick is this? I think he knows deep down though. I forgive him though, we all troll now and then and he's no different. He's funny and that's a redeeming quality.

Manequin75
06-11-2012, 01:08 AM
Mats Wilander: if Nole wins it, he would be considered second best in the open era, behind Roger Federer.

Yes twelve months of great tennis and you become second best career wise in the open era. Makes total sense.

SheepleBuster
06-11-2012, 01:19 AM
My heart breaks for Nole. He is going to come out serving cold tomorrow and probably lose the 4th set. The fact is, Rafa was tired and almost in tears today. He is not just lucky. I think he was saved by the corrupt ATP who protected him so he keeps the title of the greatest player on clay where in 7 years, he has not faced anyone decent except in finals (and once in semi against Fed). Piece of cake after piece of cake. Shwank was probably his toughest opponent which is a joke.

Sad for Nole. But he will leave tomorrow's match as the real champ even if he loses. Rafa already knows he does not deserve this title.

ballbasher101
06-11-2012, 01:26 AM
My heart breaks for Nole. He is going to come out serving cold tomorrow and probably lose the 4th set. The fact is, Rafa was tired and almost in tears today. He is not just lucky. I think he was saved by the corrupt ATP who protected him so he keeps the title of the greatest player on clay where in 7 years, he has not faced anyone decent except in finals (and once in semi against Fed). Piece of cake after piece of cake. Shwank was probably his toughest opponent which is a joke.

Sad for Nole. But he will leave tomorrow's match as the real champ even if he loses. Rafa already knows he does not deserve this title.



Well said. The Djoker was hitting winners for fun at the end. Nadal had run out of steam and ideas. Nadal's draws border on the criminal. He might just be lucky but hey who knows. If only the Djoker had served better early on. He left himself too much to do. Ah well at least he fought well unlike the likes of Almagro and Ferrer who let their master pass through without a fight.

SheepleBuster
06-11-2012, 01:29 AM
Well said. The Djoker was hitting winners for fun at the end. Nadal had run out of steam and ideas. Nadal's draws border on the criminal. He might just be lucky but hey who knows. If only the Djoker had served better early on. He left himself too much to do. Ah well at least he fought well unlike the likes of Almagro and Ferrer who let their master pass through without a fight.

The fact is, unlike Rafa who is an opportunistic cheater, Nole is a true warrior. He wants to be down two sets to love, match points, and have an injured back to start playing lights out. When he lets go, he blows Rafa off the court. He was controlling all the rallies since the 3rd set. I think he would have won the 4th set 6-2 also. My hope is that Nole will wake up tomorrow knowing that this is a best of 3 sets, he needs to win in straight, and he has a break. If he gets to the fifth set, I think Rafa will literally shit himself on court.

ballbasher101
06-11-2012, 01:44 AM
The fact is, unlike Rafa who is an opportunistic cheater, Nole is a true warrior. He wants to be down two sets to love, match points, and have an injured back to start playing lights out. When he lets go, he blows Rafa off the court. He was controlling all the rallies since the 3rd set. I think he would have won the 4th set 6-2 also. My hope is that Nole will wake up tomorrow knowing that this is a best of 3 sets, he needs to win in straight, and he has a break. If he gets to the fifth set, I think Rafa will literally shit himself on court.


We can only hope the Djoker brings home the bacon. Seeing Nadal being crashed will never get old :devil:. Beating the ass picker 3 times in a row is pretty impressive but making it 4 would be epic. I think Nadal might cry honestly :devil:. A loss for Nadal on Monday might finish him, one can only hope.

Mr. Oracle
06-11-2012, 01:52 AM
The fact is, unlike Rafa who is an opportunistic cheater, Nole is a true warrior. He wants to be down two sets to love, match points, and have an injured back to start playing lights out. When he lets go, he blows Rafa off the court. He was controlling all the rallies since the 3rd set. I think he would have won the 4th set 6-2 also. My hope is that Nole will wake up tomorrow knowing that this is a best of 3 sets, he needs to win in straight, and he has a break. If he gets to the fifth set, I think Rafa will literally shit himself on court.

This is what Mac said today. I think he purposely puts himself in this position now so he can show off his shiny new balls of polished steel. This is Bragovic in action.

Chase Visa
06-11-2012, 01:58 AM
Lucky escape, though I reckon he still would've won.

nsidhan
06-11-2012, 02:09 AM
Was a very low quality match, break will help Nadal :(

What do you mean break will help Nadal? He is down a break. Weather break will have no effect on either person.

SheepleBuster
06-11-2012, 02:15 AM
We can only hope the Djoker brings home the bacon. Seeing Nadal being crashed will never get old :devil:. Beating the ass picker 3 times in a row is pretty impressive but making it 4 would be epic. I think Nadal might cry honestly :devil:. A loss for Nadal on Monday might finish him, one can only hope.

Djokovic has such balls that I feel more of a man when he plays. :devil: I mean the way he takes control of the rallies and goes to Rafa's backhand then put a bullet forehand on the other side, the grunts he makes that you know he is hitting the ball super hard and Rafa just gets lucky to get them back... it's all so manly!

AntiTennis
06-11-2012, 02:30 AM
Mats Wilander: if Nole wins it, he would be considered second best in the open era, behind Roger Federer.
no sense, too soon to say that, Rafa has achieved much more than Djokovic and also he has maintained a very good level for more years, Djokovic just 1.5 years, but of course there is still a lot of time.

AntiTennis
06-11-2012, 02:32 AM
What do you mean break will help Nadal? He is down a break. Weather break will have no effect on either person.
I'm not sure about that..Djoker was with all the momentum in his hands, he was destroying Rafa, tomorrow we don't know how he will play.

Mimi
06-11-2012, 02:36 AM
rafa, you are useless!!! :fiery:

rafa, where gone your figthing and champion spirits? Champions never lost after having a huge lead like my old Pete!!!!!! Just like in AO 2012 final, you were within 2 games to win the title but you let it slipped away, and this time, you still have not learnt your lesson. Serving at 6:4 6:3 2:0, you were within 4 games to win the title, but you sheltered and lost 8 games!! Why why why!!! Now you are sure to lose in 5 set, why you gave yourself and your fans such a punishment?? Now i am pretty sure that you will never win another slam if Nole is on the other side of the net, next time, when you are in a slam final, i better give up and sleep, don't want to go through this heart-breaking process once again ........Remember, if you lose this match, this will be the end of your career, you will never win another slam, retire aftert the match now to save your embarassment :banghead: :bigcry: :bigcry:

SheepleBuster
06-11-2012, 02:46 AM
I'm not sure about that..Djoker was with all the momentum in his hands, he was destroying Rafa, tomorrow we don't know how he will play.

Maybe he will find his serve?

Houstonko
06-11-2012, 02:46 AM
no sense, too soon to say that, Rafa has achieved much more than Djokovic and also he has maintained a very good level for more years, Djokovic just 1.5 years, but of course there is still a lot of time.

Agreed. There is still next time to beat Djoker for Fedal. He is going to hit UEs 1-2 yrs later on those big shots he hit nowadays. Even this yr i doubt he defend W and USO.

heya
06-11-2012, 02:49 AM
the djoker is no weak-era arrogant clown like federer or roddick

Houstonko
06-11-2012, 02:53 AM
I think Federer will be no.2 if Nadal loses.

Looner
06-11-2012, 02:54 AM
He will but he won't stay there if he doesn't do well at SW19. If RF were to do better at Wimbs he'll get #2 and possibly #1.

Houstonko
06-11-2012, 02:58 AM
He will but he won't stay there if he doesn't do well at SW19. If RF were to do better at Wimbs he'll get #2 and possibly #1.

Yeah i think this potentially reset the momentum if Djokovic meets Nadal in Semis. However SW19 may rank Fed as 3rd seed.

Jimnik
06-11-2012, 03:00 AM
Shame Djoker didn't make the final last year. Feel like we were denied a classic.

juan27
06-11-2012, 03:01 AM
the djoker is no weak-era arrogant clown like federer or roddick

tipsarevic , murray , ferrer , berdych are a strong era???

AntiTennis
06-11-2012, 03:04 AM
the djoker is no weak-era arrogant clown like federer or roddick
there has never been a weak era, get over it

AntiTennis
06-11-2012, 03:06 AM
He will but he won't stay there if he doesn't do well at SW19. If RF were to do better at Wimbs he'll get #2 and possibly #1.
Exactly, it really doesn't matter too much, at least for me, the result of this final for Roger, if he wants to be #1 again then he has to win Wimbledon or the USO, there is not other way, and for Wimbledon he will be the third seed anyway so..is the same if he is #2 or #3

fast_clay
06-11-2012, 03:08 AM
djok was definitely the superior player in all aspects of clay court tennis by the end...

should it have ended today we would be witnessing history not known since the 60's

AntiTennis
06-11-2012, 03:14 AM
Maybe he will find his serve?

I hope so..I want see a good match :angel:

mystic ice cube
06-11-2012, 03:55 AM
Hoping for Nole!

Sri
06-11-2012, 04:06 AM
No question Nole was on the rise and Rafa was clueless.

The real variable was the weight of the balls due to the rain / moisture. They rendered Rafa's top spin ground strokes impotent and Nole turned on the heat.

This goes to show how much of Rafa's success is dependent on conditions.

He does not have a plan B.

Unfortunately, by now he should have.

But then conditions have been tailored around to world to suit him, so why change your game when you can change playing conditions.

tripwires
06-11-2012, 04:14 AM
I've never thought of Nadal as ordinary and/or clueless on clay until that third set.

Still, I hope he pulls out the win somehow. Vamos!