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Roland Garros R4: Del Potro def. Berdych 7-6 (6) 1-6 6-3 7-5

RIboy
06-03-2012, 07:19 PM
:rolleyes:

they've never heard about this two guys apparently at RG::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Tesla3.jpg/196px-Tesla3.jpg http://www.geni.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/thomas-edison.jpg

Li Ching Yuen
06-03-2012, 07:21 PM
You know you are a monumental cheater when Jason Goodall out of all people calls you out on it multiple times during Eurosport commentary.

LocoPorElTenis
06-03-2012, 07:21 PM
Delpo/Berdych screwed by scheduling.
Del Potro has been irregular but at times his FH has been absolutely lethal... I haven't seen him hitting so many clean winners from the back of the court in a long time.

Mental Giant
06-03-2012, 07:22 PM
Cheating argentinian back at it smh

Roger_Federer_15
06-03-2012, 07:25 PM
What did delpo do to "cheat"?

Roger the Dodger
06-03-2012, 07:25 PM
:rolleyes:

they've never heard about this two guys apparently at RG::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Tesla3.jpg/196px-Tesla3.jpg http://www.geni.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/thomas-edison.jpg

And pray, who are they?

gaitare
06-03-2012, 07:25 PM
Djokovic casts Del Potro brilliantly after all, no?

RIboy
06-03-2012, 07:26 PM
And pray, who are they?

typical Fedtard...

LocoPorElTenis
06-03-2012, 07:27 PM
What did delpo do to "cheat"?

Nothing, Delpo haters are annoyed that his injury got better

sicko
06-03-2012, 07:28 PM
nikola tesla, most underrated genius of human history.:worship:

he would bagel thomas edison.

LocoPorElTenis
06-03-2012, 07:28 PM
:rolleyes:

they've never heard about this two guys apparently at RG::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Tesla3.jpg/196px-Tesla3.jpg http://www.geni.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/thomas-edison.jpg

:haha: :yeah: good point mate

star
06-03-2012, 07:29 PM
typical Fedtard...

:lol:

And the names were in the links you posted. :lol: :lol:

Raiden
06-03-2012, 07:29 PM
What did delpo do to "cheat"?Nothing happened.

Yer compatriot is just a delusional Berdcheat tard (see? easy to do that)

rocketassist
06-03-2012, 07:29 PM
Del Potro is an absolute piece of crap. A shit stain on the sport.

Loco, if Jason Goodall is sticking the boot in you know you've gone too far.

Looner
06-03-2012, 07:30 PM
I don't think playing "dead" is cheating. Safin did it quite a lot as well. Djokovic has done it time and again as well. Haters can hate.

Certinfy
06-03-2012, 07:30 PM
Berdych's losses at RG since 2008:

R2 08 - 3-6 6-4 7-5 3-6 4-6 Llodra
R1 09 - 4-6 4-6 7-5 6-4 3-6 Bolleli
SF 10 - 3-6 6-3 7-5 3-6 3-6 Soderling
R1 11 - 6-3 6-3 2-6 2-6 7-9 Robert

So I think it's fair if Berdych is going to lose this tomorrow it's going to be in 5.

rubbERR
06-03-2012, 07:31 PM
How about if he got pain killers after the 2nd set was done and that helped his play?

You mADDD? :lol:

NadalesDios
06-03-2012, 07:31 PM
And pray, who are they?

Tesla and Edison, i think

henke007
06-03-2012, 07:34 PM
Berdych's losses at RG since 2008:

R2 08 - 3-6 6-4 7-5 3-6 4-6 Llodra
R1 09 - 4-6 4-6 7-5 6-4 3-6 Bolleli
SF 10 - 3-6 6-3 7-5 3-6 3-6 Soderling
R1 11 - 6-3 6-3 2-6 2-6 7-9 Robert

So I think it's fair if Berdych is going to lose this tomorrow it's going to be in 5.

Horrible results except the 1

Timariot
06-03-2012, 07:38 PM
Berdych just didn't play very smart. Look, he thought it was great idea to make JMDP run but that is a dumb idea. Delpo can run fast, he's got reach, good running shots. What you want to do is to hit behind him, he can't turn very quickly and that makes him struggle. Tomas, if you read this, tomorrow, hit behind his back.

LocoPorElTenis
06-03-2012, 07:38 PM
Cheating is what the RG goons are doing: stoppin one match and then letting another match continue for half an hour

In fairness Delpo asked for the suspension. They had just finished a set so it's a different situation to Tsonga-Wawrinka

Mark Lenders
06-03-2012, 07:38 PM
The good news for Del Potro haters is that he might lose tomorrow and even if he does win, Federer will probably defeat him in 3 easy sets in the quarters.

The bad news is that the way he is hitting his forehand he will probably add to his Slam tally in the not so distant future.

As for the match itself, Tomas doesn't have the variety to fully expose Juan's hampered movement. He has allowed Juan to turn the match into a power contest and there's simply no one on tour who can beat Juan at that game, injured or not. Tomas and his coach really need to find a way to move Juan around, expose his movement issues and not let him slap forehands at will tomorrow.

Everything can happen tomorrow, also depends on the shape of Juan's knee and how fresh both will be.

Lopez
06-03-2012, 07:41 PM
You know you are a monumental cheater when Jason Goodall out of all people calls you out on it multiple times during Eurosport commentary.

What did he say?

shadows
06-03-2012, 07:43 PM
And pray, who are they?

Tesla and Edison.

It's a comment on the lack of lights

Li Ching Yuen
06-03-2012, 07:47 PM
What did he say?

Plenty.

He was subtle, but it was pretty obvious what he really thought about it. There were also moments where Del Potro shanked a few balls that landed on the line and instead of raising his hand or racket to acknowledge the luck he started encouraging the public to root for him, signaling them to up their volume etc...

It was pretty unbelievable. :lol:

Lopez
06-03-2012, 07:50 PM
Plenty.

He was subtle, but it was pretty obvious what he really thought about it. There were also moments where Del Potro shanked a few balls that landed on the line and instead of raising his hand or racket to acknowledge the luck he started encouraging the public to root for him, signaling them to up their volume etc...

It was pretty unbelievable. :lol:

I didn't catch the whole match, so how did Delpo cheat?

I saw that he was trying to get the crowd going and Goodall thought it was unfair for Berdych.

disagol
06-03-2012, 07:55 PM
Del Potro had all the momentum in the end of the 3rd set. His feeling with the ball and the fans were starting to look very dangerous for Berdych, who was clearly being outplayed.
On a side note, I liked the fact that Del Potro used much more his drop shots to end the point quickly. If he can add that shot to his set skills, it will be a massive gain in his game.

RIboy
06-03-2012, 07:55 PM
and this was only the 3rd match on PC...w/ 11AM start tmrw there are slim to none chances for finishing the full schedule on Monday...4 matches + tso-waw completion...morons

simplet
06-03-2012, 07:55 PM
Berdych's losses at RG since 2008:

R2 08 - 3-6 6-4 7-5 3-6 4-6 Llodra
R1 09 - 4-6 4-6 7-5 6-4 3-6 Bolleli
SF 10 - 3-6 6-3 7-5 3-6 3-6 Soderling
R1 11 - 6-3 6-3 2-6 2-6 7-9 Robert

So I think it's fair if Berdych is going to lose this tomorrow it's going to be in 5.

Damn he's had some terrible losses in Roland

LocoPorElTenis
06-03-2012, 07:58 PM
According to people here, Delpo cheated because some TV commentator said so :lol:

rubbERR
06-03-2012, 08:00 PM
According to people here, Delpo cheated because some TV commentator said so :lol:

Their Jesus.

Li Ching Yuen
06-03-2012, 08:00 PM
I didn't catch the whole match, so how did Delpo cheat?

I saw that he was trying to get the crowd going and Goodall thought it was unfair for Berdych.

What Murray did to Nieminen.

Although in this case Del Potro went from basically handing the set to Berdych to on the next game running like a wild dog and making ridiculous gets. In the second set he also "couldn't" serve then just starting serving at 100% out of a sudden. I really struggle to understand how that happened.

Goodall said bluntly at one point: "Del Potro played possum in that second set, and it worked"

rocketassist
06-03-2012, 08:02 PM
According to people here, Delpo cheated because some TV commentator said so :lol:

Jason Goodall tells it like it is.

Fireballer
06-03-2012, 08:02 PM
I don't think playing "dead" is cheating. Safin did it quite a lot as well. Djokovic has done it time and again as well. Haters can hate.

hate to agree with Looner but he is right.Who cares what you look like if you dont take MTO or do something negative against you opponent.Looking dead or tired is no crime

MuzzahLovah
06-03-2012, 08:04 PM
Berdych needs to learn to drop shot

Li Ching Yuen
06-03-2012, 08:07 PM
hate to agree with Looner but he is right.Who cares what you look like if you dont take MTO or do something negative against you opponent.Looking dead or tired is no crime

I was carrying out what comms were saying. The reason to why I called him a cheater is the previous post I made in this thread. It was pretty disturbing.

Looner
06-03-2012, 08:07 PM
hate to agree with Looner but he is right.Who cares what you look like if you dont take MTO or do something negative against you opponent.Looking dead or tired is no crime

Wow, I am in disgust in agreeing with you but I remember Safin taking a MTO in the AO 2004 R3 or R4 and I was worried whether he'll continue. Then he reached the final...


I was carrying out what comms were saying. The reason to why I called him a cheater is the previous post I made in this thread. It was pretty disturbing.
Like what he did in 2009 at USO then where he got the crowd to cheer him on. What do you think of Djokovic urging the crowd to cheer before the 2nd MP at the USO. I'd just like to hear what you consider that action. Not attacking you or anything...

Lopez
06-03-2012, 08:09 PM
What Murray did to Nieminen.

Although in this case Del Potro went from basically handing the set to Berdych to on the next game running like a wild dog and making ridiculous gets. In the second set he also "couldn't" serve then just starting serving at 100% out of a sudden. I really struggle to understand how that happened.

Goodall said bluntly at one point: "Del Potro played possum in that second set, and it worked"

Oh ok, so not cheating per se but accused of playing mind games and faking.

Fireballer
06-03-2012, 08:09 PM
Wow, I am in disgust in agreeing with you but I remember Safin taking a MTO in the AO 2004 R3 or R4 and I was worried whether he'll continue. Then he reached the final...

well Delpo will lose the next round so it's irrelevant

samanosuke
06-03-2012, 08:10 PM
typical Fedtard...

and who the fuck are you ? walking encyclopedia who can't decided does he want to work as a nuclear physicist or a professor at uni so you are using free time by watching tennis before another departure in " Help to children of Africa " mission ?

Fireballer
06-03-2012, 08:12 PM
and who the fuck are you ? walking encyclopedia who can't decided does he want to work as a nuclear physicist or a professor at uni so you are using free time by watching tennis before another departure in " Help to children of Africa " mission ?

not knowing who Tesla is well.........

LocoPorElTenis
06-03-2012, 08:12 PM
So Delpo went into a slump in the second set and that makes him a cheater? A genius this Jason Goodall :rolls:

SheepleBuster
06-03-2012, 08:13 PM
:rolleyes:

they've never heard about this two guys apparently at RG::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Tesla3.jpg/196px-Tesla3.jpg http://www.geni.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/thomas-edison.jpg

Berdych is the biggest cheater on ATP Tour. He will never have my respect. I will always pull against him even when he plays Roddick. This piece of work needs to be disqualified for refusing to continue playing and having his arse handed to him.

abraxas21
06-03-2012, 08:14 PM
tomas is a whiny little bitch but i prefer him to advance to the QF only because i want daddy federer to trash his ass.

samanosuke
06-03-2012, 08:16 PM
not knowing who Tesla is well.........

the problem is that he is playing some smart ass here and if you look at his posts you'll see anything but not it. usually people who are acting smart are just opposite. you have your knowledge for itself, not for somebody else

abraxas21
06-03-2012, 08:17 PM
You know you are a monumental cheater when Jason Goodall out of all people calls you out on it multiple times during Eurosport commentary.

coming from you, one of the clowniest posters on this forum, i won't take your word too seriously

bornnl
06-03-2012, 08:18 PM
:rolleyes:

they've never heard about this two guys apparently at RG::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Tesla3.jpg/196px-Tesla3.jpg http://www.geni.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/thomas-edison.jpg

LOL
retarded french...and this scoring...like they cant say what score is on english like rest of normal world:shout:

Allez
06-03-2012, 08:18 PM
tomas is a whiny little bitch but i prefer him to advance to the QF only because i want daddy federer to trash his ass.

Sure you do :lol:

samanosuke
06-03-2012, 08:20 PM
btw don't understand interest of fed fans in this match. whoever wins he'll beat Fed, his level isn't enough neither for wawrinka or gasquet atm

ServeVolley
06-03-2012, 08:20 PM
If the winner of Berdych/Delpo really is too tired to put up a fight in the QF, then the 2009/2012 theory could well prove correct:

Madrid '09 - Won
Madrid '12 - Won

Rome '09 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)
Rome '12 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)

FO Round 1 '09 - Straight sets win
FO Round 1 '12 - Straight sets win

FO Round 2 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 2 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 3 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 3 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 4 '09 - Come-back from 2 set deficit to win in 5
FO Round 4 '12 - Come-back from a (very nearly 2) set deficit to win in 4

So far the pattern has matched up almost exactly (Haas taking the 2nd set and Goffin not (he was two points away) in R4 is the only difference, but in both matches Federer was in deep trouble and had to raise his game to survive).

So... for QF:

FO Quarter-final '09 - Straight sets win
FO Quarter-final '12 - ?

Considering how tired both players will be after playing potentially another two sets tomorrow, it's not totally out of the realms of possibility that Federer would indeed win it in straights (especially vs. Delpo). :shrug:

SheepleBuster
06-03-2012, 08:20 PM
Thomas Berdych is the great argument for God not existing because only a fucking ass*** would "create" such a whiny creature. He is whining all the time. I am sick of microphones picking up his moans.

Fujee
06-03-2012, 08:21 PM
Edison did jack shit towards the development of the lightbulb/electricity. He just knew how to make money, he was a douchebag.

Tesla however, genius.

rubbERR
06-03-2012, 08:21 PM
Anyone madDD?

yes, You maddd.

bornnl
06-03-2012, 08:24 PM
I hate Berdych and JMDP has best FH without doubt on tour but i need despertly Tomas to win this somehow.

RIboy
06-03-2012, 08:25 PM
and who the fuck are you ? walking encyclopedia who can't decided does he want to work as a nuclear physicist or a professor at uni so you are using free time by watching tennis before another departure in " Help to children of Africa " mission ?

the problem is that he is playing some smart ass here and if you look at his posts you'll see anything but not it. usually people who are acting smart are just opposite. you have your knowledge for itself, not for somebody else

acting smart w/ pics of Tesla and Edison, 2nd grade material? :worship:

take care my friend, god bless :wavey:

wally1
06-03-2012, 08:38 PM
:rolleyes:

they've never heard about this two guys apparently at RG::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Tesla3.jpg/196px-Tesla3.jpg http://www.geni.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/thomas-edison.jpgShould have had a picture of Joseph Swan instead - he invented the light bulb before Edison...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Joseph_Wilson_Swan.jpg

_maxi
06-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Berdych needs to learn to drop shot
Berdych needs to learn how to spin the ball xD

GSMnadal
06-03-2012, 08:51 PM
If the winner of Berdych/Delpo really is too tired to put up a fight in the QF, then the 2009/2012 theory could well prove correct:

Madrid '09 - Won
Madrid '12 - Won

Rome '09 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)
Rome '12 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)

FO Round 1 '09 - Straight sets win
FO Round 1 '12 - Straight sets win

FO Round 2 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 2 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 3 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 3 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 4 '09 - Come-back from 2 set deficit to win in 5
FO Round 4 '12 - Come-back from a (very nearly 2) set deficit to win in 4

So far the pattern has matched up almost exactly (Haas taking the 2nd set and Goffin not (he was two points away) in R4 is the only difference, but in both matches Federer was in deep trouble and had to raise his game to survive).

So... for QF:

FO Quarter-final '09 - Straight sets win
FO Quarter-final '12 - ?

Considering how tired both players will be after playing potentially another two sets tomorrow, it's not totally out of the realms of possibility that Federer would indeed win it in straights (especially vs. Delpo). :shrug:

Only relevant pattern would be Nadal losing in R4, better pray for a miracle tomorrow

RIboy
06-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Should have had a picture of Joseph Swan instead - he invented the light bulb before Edison...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Joseph_Wilson_Swan.jpg

or Henry Goebel? :lol:

MaxPower
06-03-2012, 08:55 PM
hey in this modern age you can put one of these if you like

http://vespasiansecurity.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/floodlights1.jpg

Not wanna crap on the Edison/Tesla parade but just like in tennis it's best to go for the point than trying fancy plays. This thread derailed worse than a failed invention

What about the actual match?

Nr 1 Fan
06-03-2012, 09:02 PM
3rd set was first good set from Delpo at this tournament, too bad they stopped. I still not Sure how serious the injury is but I really hope isn't ruining his knee for the rest of the season Cuz it isn't worth it, he'll still lose to Fed in str8ts.

Let's remember the good signs though, Bamos tomorrow Juan!

Looner
06-03-2012, 09:39 PM
Del Po played well. I was impressed with his running FHs (and BHs) and his ability to defend off an injured knee was almost RN-like. A true warrior of the court :worship:.

Hopefully they play on for a few more hours on Monday so Delboy's not as good against Roger.

Corey Feldman
06-03-2012, 09:39 PM
just what Delpo needed for that knee

CYA Berdy :wavey:

cardio
06-03-2012, 09:44 PM
If the winner of Berdych/Delpo really is too tired to put up a fight in the QF, then the 2009/2012 theory could well prove correct:

Madrid '09 - Won
Madrid '12 - Won

Rome '09 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)
Rome '12 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)

FO Round 1 '09 - Straight sets win
FO Round 1 '12 - Straight sets win

FO Round 2 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 2 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 3 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 3 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 4 '09 - Come-back from 2 set deficit to win in 5
FO Round 4 '12 - Come-back from a (very nearly 2) set deficit to win in 4

So far the pattern has matched up almost exactly (Haas taking the 2nd set and Goffin not (he was two points away) in R4 is the only difference, but in both matches Federer was in deep trouble and had to raise his game to survive).

So... for QF:

FO Quarter-final '09 - Straight sets win
FO Quarter-final '12 - ?

Considering how tired both players will be after playing potentially another two sets tomorrow, it's not totally out of the realms of possibility that Federer would indeed win it in straights (especially vs. Delpo). :shrug:

It is stupid theory anyway because of 2 reasons:

a)Fed didnt face # 1 in SF in 2009

b ) Fed didnt face Nadal in final, his opponent was his personal bitch Soda,H2H was 9-0 in that time .Reason why Fed was so nervous vs Haas and Pony, was that Nadull was out and he knew this was his ONLY chance ever to get RG trophy. He was so afraid to screw this up that he really almost did fuck up

So it doesnt matter what happens in QF. Most likely he will not be in final and snowflake in hell has better chances to survive than Fed to repeat his 2009 RG success..

viruzzz
06-03-2012, 09:47 PM
It is stupid theory anyway because of 2 reasons:

a)Fed didnt face # 1 in SF in 2009

b ) Fed didnt face Nadal in final, his opponent was his personal bitch Soda,H2H was 9-0 in that time .Reason why Fed was so nervous vs Haas and Pony, was that Nadull was out and he knew this was his ONLY chance ever to get RG trophy. He was so afraid to screw this up that he really almost did fuck up

So it doesnt matter what happens in QF. Most likely he will not be in final and snowflake in hell has better chances to survive than Fed to repeat his 2009 RG success..

He faced n° 5 in semis.
What about if he faces Tsonga this year?
And what about if someone defeats Nadal before the final?


Don't get me wrong! I think the theory is stupid too. But you've to admit, it could be veeeeeeery similar.

Commander Data
06-03-2012, 09:50 PM
Tsonga takes out Nole and Murray takes out Nadal. Fed gets a second RG :haha:

star
06-03-2012, 09:52 PM
and who the fuck are you ? walking encyclopedia who can't decided does he want to work as a nuclear physicist or a professor at uni so you are using free time by watching tennis before another departure in " Help to children of Africa " mission ?

When you click on the post to quote it, as that poster did, you can see the names. That’s what was funny.

emotion
06-03-2012, 09:56 PM
Hmm I thought injury was real... Disgusting character, like him less every day
Berdych is a dick, but he doesn't cheat, and I respect him even if I suspect I wouldn't like him irl
hope Berdych can somehow not be Berdych for long enough to come back and remove the stain from the tournament.

Nole fan
06-03-2012, 09:59 PM
Berdych couldn't take advantage of Delpo who wasn't clearly physically 100%. Delpo's forehand today was :drool:
Amazing shotmakers these two, it was enjoyable to watch them.

Time Violation
06-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Tsonga takes out Nole and Murray takes out Nadal. Fed gets a second RG :haha:

Tsonga could take out Nole, but Murray isn't taking out Nadal, even if Nadal plays with one arm tied to his back :lol:

Burrow
06-03-2012, 10:16 PM
I don't think playing "dead" is cheating. Safin did it quite a lot as well. Djokovic has done it time and again as well. Haters can hate.

What do you mean playing "dead"? Safin looked lackadaisical on court at times and strolled around like he couldn't be bothered but can you give me an example of him pretending to be injured, I presume you mean?

rocketassist
06-03-2012, 10:32 PM
Tsonga could take out Nole, but Murray isn't taking out Nadal, even if Nadal plays with one arm tied to his back :lol:

If Tsonga couldn't knock Nole off on (slow) grass, he's not doing it here either. Murray won't win against Nadal, but he'll push him hard if he plays as well as last year, where he choked a gazillion bp's (3/18) which would have got him at least a set had he taken one or two more of them.

tektonac
06-03-2012, 10:36 PM
Tsonga could take out Nole, but Murray isn't taking out Nadal, even if Nadal plays with one arm tied to his back :lol:

zonga is not taking nole out.

MIMIC
06-03-2012, 10:40 PM
If the winner of Berdych/Delpo really is too tired to put up a fight in the QF, then the 2009/2012 theory could well prove correct:

Madrid '09 - Won
Madrid '12 - Won

Rome '09 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)
Rome '12 - Semis (l. to Djokovic)

FO Round 1 '09 - Straight sets win
FO Round 1 '12 - Straight sets win

FO Round 2 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 2 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 3 '09 - 4 sets win
FO Round 3 '12 - 4 sets win

FO Round 4 '09 - Come-back from 2 set deficit to win in 5
FO Round 4 '12 - Come-back from a (very nearly 2) set deficit to win in 4

So far the pattern has matched up almost exactly (Haas taking the 2nd set and Goffin not (he was two points away) in R4 is the only difference, but in both matches Federer was in deep trouble and had to raise his game to survive).

So... for QF:

FO Quarter-final '09 - Straight sets win
FO Quarter-final '12 - ?

Considering how tired both players will be after playing potentially another two sets tomorrow, it's not totally out of the realms of possibility that Federer would indeed win it in straights (especially vs. Delpo). :shrug:

So Fed is gonna straight set Nadal in the final? :spit: :spit: :haha:

hilluis
06-03-2012, 10:43 PM
Berdych has done exacctly the same thing, it was against Safin in Shanghai... had bad knee/hip? and looked as if he couldnt move... until he could again. I wouldn't be naming Berdych as a fair player.. the not up bounce a few weeks ago? not to mention his petty behaviour regarding handshakes and numerous requests for unnecessary checking of ball marks.

reery
06-03-2012, 10:46 PM
He faced n° 5 in semis.
What about if he faces Tsonga this year?
And what about if someone defeats Nadal before the final?


Don't get me wrong! I think the theory is stupid too. But you've to admit, it could be veeeeeeery similar.

Exactly.

v-money
06-03-2012, 10:59 PM
Del Potro celebrated that 3rd set as if he had just won the RG final.

This injury faking was also genius. But what can you expect if you got Djokovic and Nadal at the top of the game, setting an example for the other players.

EliSter
06-03-2012, 11:02 PM
:lol: fedtrads are going even more crazy and idiotic then i asumed they are, whith some crazy crap comparations, as long Nole and Nadal are alive, Fed aint wining anything.

Looner
06-03-2012, 11:14 PM
What do you mean playing "dead"? Safin looked lackadaisical on court at times and strolled around like he couldn't be bothered but can you give me an example of him pretending to be injured, I presume you mean?

Well, I am huge a Safin fan but at the AO 2004 where he made the final as the world's #80 or something, he did have a MTO at one point in R2 or R3 (forgot now) and he started playing quite well afterwards. I am not saying he was cheating - just looking a bit disinterested. By his body language, you'd expect him to give up any moment but instead he started playing some stunning tennis. I also remember watching him take some MTOs in RG and he played better afterwards. He himself had admitted that if it's allowed to take MTOs, he'd do it even if people question the fairness of it (I heard this from commentators at the time so not sure if it's true though).

This is very similar to how Delboy sometimes looks zombie-like (although he takes huge amounts of time between points) and that is why I sort of love both - huge hitters with a distinct character. I am not saying he did it all the time but it's just something I feel I've seen before. It's one of my first proper memories from watching tennis full on. Maybe I'm just delusional :shrug:.

Jimnik
06-03-2012, 11:23 PM
Never in doubt. Winner will be 18-16 in the 5th and get demolished QF.

zlaja777
06-03-2012, 11:46 PM
Go Delpo. Finish the job tomorrow.

Topspindoctor
06-04-2012, 12:10 AM
Hilarious stuff. As always Olderer is gonna face an exhausted opponent in QF :zzz:

swisht4u
06-04-2012, 01:22 AM
Didn't see the whole match, just the end of the second set and the third set.
DelPo didn't look to good in the second set and seemed to just give it up.

The third set he started to let loose on the forehand. As that set progressed he started to be aggressive off of both wings, it probably went better than he thought as he was hitting consistent heavy shots.

This was the best I've seen him since the injury and probably will continue on from now on.

He still has a little more to go but is about at his 2009 form where he beat Nadal 3 times in a row and Fed twice.

Burrow
06-04-2012, 01:37 AM
Well, I am huge a Safin fan but at the AO 2004 where he made the final as the world's #80 or something, he did have a MTO at one point in R2 or R3 (forgot now) and he started playing quite well afterwards. I am not saying he was cheating - just looking a bit disinterested. By his body language, you'd expect him to give up any moment but instead he started playing some stunning tennis. I also remember watching him take some MTOs in RG and he played better afterwards. He himself had admitted that if it's allowed to take MTOs, he'd do it even if people question the fairness of it (I heard this from commentators at the time so not sure if it's true though).

This is very similar to how Delboy sometimes looks zombie-like (although he takes huge amounts of time between points) and that is why I sort of love both - huge hitters with a distinct character. I am not saying he did it all the time but it's just something I feel I've seen before. It's one of my first proper memories from watching tennis full on. Maybe I'm just delusional :shrug:.

Safin was not in the habit of taking injury time outs for no reason. His Australian Open run was full of long matches from the off and he played the record amount of sets going into a slam final in history. It's not really surprising that after a year off tour, it was a shock to his body. He took an injury time out against Roddick in the quarter-final after the first set for his groin, but it was the only one I can remember throughout the tournament. There may have been one other, but I don't really believe he's worth bunting into this category.

He often did look disinterested but rarely during points, he would smash a racket, punch his own head, then get on with the job soon after.

He was involved in a controversial incident with Starace at Roland Garros 2004, when he took an injury time out at deuce when the Italian squandered two match points, on his own serve I believe. This was for blisters, of which I think he had 11 or 12 over both hands. He later showed his hands at the press conference and there were many blisters, some filled with blood. It's much harder to play with blisters on your hands than on your feet, so I think many of us who've played with just one blister on our main playing hand can quite easily sympathise, especially after saving two match points, feeling like you're well in with a chance of saving the match. Some think it was off putting for Starace, but what could he do? And I don't think Starace would've particularly minded after Safin reeled off two points on the trot.

Sorry for rambling ;)

Raiden
06-04-2012, 02:10 AM
So Delpo went into a slump in the second set and that makes him a cheater? A genius this Jason Goodall :rolls:Jason is just a transparent Limey (Murray-tard) who feels obligated to hate on JMDP.

I wouldn't take the bugger at his word even if he complimented Delpo (cuz it'd probably be nothing but a wishy-washy double entendre backhand-compliment)

Looner
06-04-2012, 02:12 AM
I do agree. I never saw Safin as an unfair (otherwise I would not be a fan of his) but he did look all over the place and his body language was deceptive at times. I consider this similar to Delboy but maybe others don't :shrug:. I don't believe what Delboy did was bad so I tried giving an example which may not be quite appropriate.

tripwires
06-04-2012, 02:13 AM
I hope del Potro wins. :hearts:

MIMIC
06-04-2012, 02:19 AM
Why haven't they shown ANY of this match on Tennis Channel? :mad:

leng jai
06-04-2012, 02:20 AM
They'd rather show Serena Williams reruns.

Raiden
06-04-2012, 02:20 AM
^ Are they still showing that? :p

evilmindbulgaria
06-04-2012, 03:07 AM
People who are saying that Delpo cheated or is faking an injury need to have their heads examined :cuckoo:

Whoever wins this match will end up losing to Clayturkey anyways, the French organizers trying their best to help out Clayturkey win another fluke RG title!

SheepleBuster
06-04-2012, 03:34 AM
People who are saying that Delpo cheated or is faking an injury need to have their heads examined :cuckoo:

Whoever wins this match will end up losing to Clayturkey anyways, the French organizers trying their best to help out Clayturkey win another fluke RG title!

Well, the organizers have been very successful in the past. I mean that Spanish guy who nobody cares about has won it a few times but everyone knows he didn't deserve to win even one. It's a bummer that he gets piece of cake draws though, no? :)

evilmindbulgaria
06-04-2012, 03:41 AM
Well, the organizers have been very successful in the past. I mean that Spanish guy who nobody cares about has won it a few times but everyone knows he didn't deserve to win even one. It's a bummer that he gets piece of cake draws though, no? :)

I am speechless in front of some much wisdom! There is nothing else left but to goodrep you for that masterpiece :worship:

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 04:10 AM
People who are saying that Delpo cheated or is faking an injury need to have their heads examined :cuckoo:

Whoever wins this match will end up losing to Clayturkey anyways, the French organizers trying their best to help out Clayturkey win another fluke RG title!

Jason Goodall implied it and he's a sensible analyst.

Del Phony is a massive fraud.

mickymouse
06-04-2012, 04:24 AM
I'm confused. Delpo didn't even ask for an MTO and he's a cheat? It's common for players who've won a tight first set to drop their level in the second.

lucyfur
06-04-2012, 05:02 AM
I'm confused. Delpo didn't even ask for an MTO and he's a cheat? It's common for players who've won a tight first set to drop their level in the second.

haters just see what they want, It makes no sense to drag out a match if he could have got it done in straights, and have a whole day off tomorrow.
Some haters even said Murray did the same thing when he lost a set to put off someone he could have beaten in straights.:rolleyes:

duchuy89
06-04-2012, 05:55 AM
I love Delpo .

Geo
06-04-2012, 08:51 AM
I'm enjoying the hard hitting rallies in this match. It does need to be said that's it's just pathetic RG has no lights. Who cares about tradition or whatever. No excuse in the year 2012 to suspend a match because of darkness.

henke007
06-04-2012, 08:58 AM
Some pathetic comments from silly Fed haters and Delpo haters here. Awesome match and Delpo clearly showed in 2 sets who is better both mentally and gamewise.

ServeVolley
06-04-2012, 09:47 AM
It is stupid theory anyway because of 2 reasons:

a)Fed didnt face # 1 in SF in 2009



No, he faced a pre-injury Del Potro who pushed him to five sets. If the pattern holds true then he'll also be pushed by Djokovic (or Tsonga) to five, but win in the end.



b ) Fed didnt face Nadal in final, his opponent was his personal bitch Soda,H2H was 9-0 in that time


His "personal bitch" who was in the form of his life having just knocked out 4-time defending champion Rafael Nadal (who had also never lost to Soderling previously) in R4, and then stormed through his first ever grand slam QF and SF?



So it doesnt matter what happens in QF. Most likely he will not be in final and snowflake in hell has better chances to survive than Fed to repeat his 2009 RG success..

History likes to repeat itself sometimes. If Fed gets through Djokovic in the semis (in five if it follows the pattern), then maybe something will happen to give him the edge in the final. In Madrid 2009 Nadal had played a marathon match against Djokovic the day before the final, and Fed took advantage of his tiredness by winning it in straights. What if he has a freak semi-final match (vs. Ferrer or Murray) which lasts into the Saturday, and leaves him shattered the next day? Fed pushed him extremely close last year in the first three sets, so with a few variables on his side (e.g. Nadal being tired, favorable weather conditions like in Indian Wells, bad line calls, net cords at important moments), victory is possible.

r3d_d3v1l_
06-04-2012, 09:55 AM
If Delpo wins, he will face Federer for a fifth time this year, isn´t he?

Toni is doing a hell of a job.

Allez
06-04-2012, 10:05 AM
History likes to repeat itself sometimes. If Fed gets through Djokovic in the semis (in five if it follows the pattern), then maybe something will happen to give him the edge in the final. In Madrid 2009 Nadal had played a marathon match against Djokovic the day before the final, and Fed took advantage of his tiredness by winning it in straights. What if he has a freak semi-final match (vs. Ferrer or Murray) which lasts into the Saturday, and leaves him shattered the next day? Fed pushed him extremely close last year in the first three sets, so with a few variables on his side (e.g. Nadal being tired, favorable weather conditions like in Indian Wells, bad line calls, net cords at important moments), victory is possible.

:bs: in 2009 at the Australian Open...which is NOT Rafa's favourite surface this is what happened

Day 11 Roger had an easy 6–2, 7–5, 7–5 semi final win over Roddick.

Day 12 Nadal had an incredibly long and exhausting semi final match against Nando eventually winning it 6–7(4), 6–4, 7–6(2), 6–7(1), 6–4.

Day 13 Nadal destroyed a 27 year old Roger in the Final.

And you think a 31 year old Federer will stand a better chance against Nadal on clay of all surfaces after losing 4 finals to the same guy and never even taking Rafa to 5 sets ? Just how long have you been watching tennis :shrug: Victory is NOT possible. The sooner you realise this the better :yeah:

ServeVolley
06-04-2012, 10:15 AM
And you think a 31 year old Federer will stand a better chance against Nadal on clay of all surfaces after losing 4 finals to the same guy and never even taking Rafa to 5 sets ? Just how long have you been watching tennis :shrug: Victory is NOT possible. The sooner you realise this the better :yeah:

Honestly, yes. Ever since their match in Madrid last year, Federer has used significantly different - and stronger - tactics against Nadal (unlike their AO '09 encounter, which was same old same old). This is why he's won 2 of their last 3 encounters (despite the haters saying he would never win another match against Nadal). To suggest that a Federer win is outright impossible, is far more irrational than saying that if the variables go his way he could do it. :shrug:

Allez
06-04-2012, 10:17 AM
Honestly, yes. Ever since their match in Madrid last year, Federer has used significantly different - and stronger - tactics against Nadal (unlike their AO '09 encounter, which was same old same old). This is why he's won 2 of their last 3 encounters (despite the haters saying he would never win another match against Nadal). To suggest that a Federer win is outright impossible, is far more irrational than saying that if the variables go his way he could do it. :shrug:

When and where did he last win a 5 set match against Nadal. Please remind us...

LocoPorElTenis
06-04-2012, 10:22 AM
Jason Goodall implied it and he's a sensible analyst.

Del Phony is a massive fraud.

Do you have any arguments besides saying that Jason Goodall implied it? I'm sure you have a brain too, if you think he cheated, explain yourself rather than invoke an ad authority argument (to a TV commentator no less :lol: who only "implied" it :rolls:).

Fact 1: momentum swings happen on nearly every match.
Fact 2: Del Potro always looks bored and tired on court.
Fact 3: Del Potro's knee is not alright. It doesn't mean he can't compete, otherwise he wouldn't walk on court.

Now please tell me why YOU (not Jason Goodall) think he cheated, so we can have an actual conversation.

:wavey:

tennishero
06-04-2012, 10:26 AM
Jason Goodall implied it and he's a sensible analyst.

Del Phony is a massive fraud.



hahaha omg coming from a murraytard, thats the icing on the cake. :haha:



murray is the biggest faker and bitch on tour

ServeVolley
06-04-2012, 10:28 AM
When and where did he last win a 5 set match against Nadal. Please remind us...

Past is the past. The last two five sets matches he's played against Nadal (particularly FO last year) felt as if they could have gone either way, and the important thing is that he seems to have finally cracked the tactics (e.g. rapid all-out attack to the backhand side). So let's just wait and see, eh? :)

Allez
06-04-2012, 10:32 AM
Past is the past. The last two five sets matches he's played against Nadal (particularly FO last year) felt as if they could have gone either way, and the important thing is that he seems to have finally cracked the tactics (e.g. rapid all-out attack to the backhand side). Let's just wait and see, eh? :)

You've got that right. The past, when Roger was at his peak and could challenge Nadal in the best of 5 sets is well and truly past ;) Tennis players are NOT like fine red wine :p

Corey Feldman
06-04-2012, 11:13 AM
Hilarious stuff. As always Olderer is gonna face an exhausted opponent in QF :zzz::baby::baby:

yet this was you in another thread

Hope Mugnaco is nice and exhausted after this match, don't want him tiring out Nadal before the second week. :D:D

MIMIC
06-04-2012, 12:44 PM
3 quarter-final WWW threads but no post-match thread? :lol:

EDIT: Whoops. Didn't realize the suspension thread would serve as the post-match thread. :cool:

tennishero
06-04-2012, 12:45 PM
dont cry for me chech republic :sport:

emotion
06-04-2012, 12:46 PM
Terrible result

Certinfy
06-04-2012, 12:46 PM
Berdych came out and was... :facepalm:

His fault for playing so much coming into Roland Garros. But on a positive note he even said himself he prefers his chances on the grass so this one week is good to have some rest and prepare for it. :)

Really got screwed with the draw though.

duarte_a
06-04-2012, 12:46 PM
:baby::baby:

yet this was you in another thread

Owned!!

Orka_n
06-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Pushing won in this match. :(

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Horrible result for our sport.

Federer please put this phony and his pathetic fans in their place.

tealeaves
06-04-2012, 12:47 PM
Delpo still won after losing serve at 4*-2 :eek:
Well done Pony and please rest up for tomorrow.

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 12:48 PM
hahaha omg coming from a murraytard, thats the icing on the cake. :haha:



murray is the biggest faker and bitch on tour

You called Raonic a serve bot. Your opinion is blinded by shit talking and nationalism. If I worked for your internet provider I'd have them cut you off.

Sunset of Age
06-04-2012, 12:49 PM
Berdych's main problems continue - lack of consistency and lack of mental fortitude. Too bad, he was playing so well in the earlier rounds. Tells even more that whatever happens in the 1st week in a GS actually doesn't matter at all.

Good luck against Federer, Del Potro! :hatoff:

tennishero
06-04-2012, 12:49 PM
You called Raonic a serve bot. Your opinion is blinded by shit talking and nationalism. If I worked for your internet provider I'd have them cut you off.

lol rich from you


raonic is a servebot, hence why monaco exposed him easily on clay. only way he won sets was through tie breaks. nevertheless, even murray lost to him on clay :lol:

MIMIC
06-04-2012, 12:51 PM
I only saw 1 game.

So....wtf happened? I'm looking at the stats and they don't overwhelming favor del Potro. Berdych had almost twice as many winners (and more errors), good 1st serve percentage, good % of points won off of 1st & 2nd serve....

:shrug:

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 12:52 PM
The King of Power tennis won.

Berdych was really screwed by the draw, but he has some blame as well. He allowed the match to turn into a power contest and there could only be one winner there. He should have tried to move Del Potro around, fully expose his hindered movement.

Tomas should really try to add slices, dropshots, spins... to his repertoire of shots, some variety could help him in some matches, I think. Oh well, hope he keeps the good form for Wimbledon and the draw is kinder to him.

Shame he lost, he actually had a chance vs Federer. Del Potro will lose in 3. But good for Juan to have reached QF again; if his knee recovers fast and he keeps hitting his forehand like he did in this match, the second Slam title will only be a matter of time.

Corey Feldman
06-04-2012, 12:53 PM
dont cry for me chech republic :sport::lol:

out_grinder
06-04-2012, 12:56 PM
The King of Power tennis won.

Berdych was really screwed by the draw, but he has some blame as well. He allowed the match to turn into a power contest and there could only be one winner there. He should have tried to move Del Potro around, fully expose his hindered movement.

Tomas should really try to add slices, dropshots, spins... to his repertoire of shots, some variety could help him in some matches, I think. Oh well, hope he keeps the good form for Wimbledon and the draw is kinder to him.

Shame he lost, he actually had a chance vs Federer. Del Potro will lose in 3.

But Bird Shit has no variety.

He has one thing going for him: power - but he is not even the most powerful player on tour.

Delpo is more powerful as well as having much better defence and variety.

When Bird Shit can't brainlessly bully about his opponent and runs into bigger fish than him (Soderling, Tsonga, Delpo) - he is completely harmless.

Action Jackson
06-04-2012, 12:57 PM
I only saw 1 game.

So....wtf happened? I'm looking at the stats and they don't overwhelming favor del Potro. Berdych had almost twice as many winners (and more errors), good 1st serve percentage, good % of points won off of 1st & 2nd serve....

:shrug:

Del Potro defends better and won by taking the chances he had.

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 01:00 PM
But Bird Shit has no variety.

He has one thing going for him: power - but he is not even the most powerful player on tour.

Delpo is more powerful as well as having much better defence and variety.

When Bird Shit can't brainlessly bully about his opponent and runs into bigger fish than him (Soderling, Tsonga, Delpo) - he is completely harmless.

Well, as always, you put things a bit too drastically, but you do have a point.

That's exactly why I said Tomas should try to practice his slice, drop shots, spin... could be useful in matches like today. Having some alternatives when power isn't enough would make him a better player. His net game has improved, but he can still make further improvements.

He'd have beaten Juan in this match if only he could move him around. By allowing the match to turn into a power contest, he took little to no advantage of Juan's hindered movement.

henke007
06-04-2012, 01:01 PM
Great result

emotion
06-04-2012, 01:04 PM
hahaha omg coming from a murraytard, thats the icing on the cake. :haha:



murray is the biggest faker and bitch on tour

Back spasms can come and go :shrug: #1 on my HS team freshman year had them time to time, they´d be gone a few days later for a month. And Murray is always complaining, but he never does a blatantly strategic MTO like Nadal, del Potro

Puschkin
06-04-2012, 01:06 PM
Tomas should really try to add slices, dropshots, spins... to his repertoire of shots, some variety could help him in some matches, I think.
This is too much of a demand for ballbashers.

Li Ching Yuen
06-04-2012, 01:09 PM
The end justifies the means for Del Potro.

Potro and Nadal are toe to toe in the sportmanship award race. Hopefully Potro wins a slam so he'll enter with a true chance to get the title in December.

Looner
06-04-2012, 01:10 PM
The King of Power tennis won.

Berdych was really screwed by the draw, but he has some blame as well. He allowed the match to turn into a power contest and there could only be one winner there. He should have tried to move Del Potro around, fully expose his hindered movement.

Tomas should really try to add slices, dropshots, spins... to his repertoire of shots, some variety could help him in some matches, I think. Oh well, hope he keeps the good form for Wimbledon and the draw is kinder to him.

Shame he lost, he actually had a chance vs Federer. Del Potro will lose in 3. But good for Juan to have reached QF again; if his knee recovers fast and he keeps hitting his forehand like he did in this match, the second Slam title will only be a matter of time.

I've seen Berdych slice and he seems to have a decent one. I just wonder what his coach and him think before a contest like this. Surely they know they need some variety to trouble Delboy...

Hian-GOAT
06-04-2012, 01:17 PM
:dance:
:hug:

tealeaves
06-04-2012, 01:25 PM
I'm surprised Berdych missed lots of easy shots - he hit 50+ UEs in 4 sets :eek:
A drastic contrast compared to the match in Madrid

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 01:25 PM
I've seen Berdych slice and he seems to have a decent one. I just wonder what his coach and him think before a contest like this. Surely they know they need some variety to trouble Delboy...

Indeed. It was just bizarre tactics from Tomas. No player on tour can beat Del Potro in a baseline power contest, injured or not.

I know Tomas isn't exactly known for his variety, but it's strange how he didn't try to mix it up even just a bit, especially with Del Potro's knee condition. His slice is indeed decent, his drop shot is kind of terrible though and he can't put any spin on his shots, surely aspects he should work on a bit.

Oh well, hope he can do great at Wimbledon now.

I'm surprised Berdych missed lots of easy shots - he hit 50+ UEs in 4 sets :eek:
A drastic contrast compared to the match in Madrid

Berdych is just amazing on super fast courts, his game is designed for courts like Madrid.

What was a winner in the Madrid courts kept coming back over the net with interest in Roland Garros, hence the difference. He just couldn't finish points off so easily and was drawn into longer rallies.

bokehlicious
06-04-2012, 01:26 PM
Tennis always wins when birdshit is sent packing :drool:

ossie
06-04-2012, 01:34 PM
i didn't like the dip halfway through the last set but apart from that delpo played a solid match and is playing good enough to take out the trash next round.

henke007
06-04-2012, 01:39 PM
You think the bad knee and clay will give him that little xtra that he lacked the recent times they played this year :rolleyes:

FlameOn
06-04-2012, 02:21 PM
Tomas :bigcry:. Solid tourney though :hug:.

Delpo :yeah:. Don't bend over for Roger :lol:.

Matt01
06-04-2012, 02:55 PM
Pushing won in this match. :(


Horrible result for our sport.



I thought you two had grown a brain in the last few months. Guess I was wrong :lol:

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 03:01 PM
I thought you two had grown a brain in the last few months. Guess I was wrong :lol:

What? The guy's running around like Ben Johnson on steds despite two days ago apparently 'crying' in pain with this unplayable injury.

He's conning his opponents. I was never a fan of his game but I didn't think he was a bad guy, but now that's changed.

Matt01
06-04-2012, 03:06 PM
What? The guy's running around like Ben Johnson on steds despite two days ago apparently 'crying' in pain with this unplayable injury.

He's conning his opponents. I was never a fan of his game but I didn't think he was a bad guy, but now that's changed.


So you think he's faking his knee injury? Seriously?

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 03:07 PM
So you think he's faking his knee injury? Seriously?

Maybe not faking but certainly over-exaggerating it.

*Jean*
06-04-2012, 03:19 PM
Juan Martin :yeah:

bjurra
06-04-2012, 03:27 PM
Maybe not faking but certainly over-exaggerating it.

Delpo is a bit of a dramaqueen, he is always exaggerating pain and fatigue a bit. But he has complained about his knee for so long now, I doubt he is faking that.

Orka_n
06-04-2012, 03:35 PM
I thought you two had grown a brain in the last few months. Guess I was wrong :lol:I thought you had gotten a little understanding of tennis in the last few months but... nah wait I didn't.

Delpo was pushing in this match as he always does against big hitters. I cannot understand why his fanboys can't admit that.

Ibracadabra
06-04-2012, 03:44 PM
Better player won. Justice done.

born_on_clay
06-04-2012, 04:22 PM
Good job DelPo ! :yeah:

I would love to see Juan Martin playing final this sunday :D

Orka_n
06-04-2012, 04:42 PM
NID. Fedull's never-ending luck on full display. I doubt Dull Potro will even manage a set.Fed wouldn't have more problems with Ferrer, Tsonga or Mugro who are the other QF opponents. :zzz:

Nr 1 Fan
06-04-2012, 04:56 PM
Very goof victory for Delpo, but I need him to step into court more and play a little more agressive. He has to be the one charge more often.

Nr 1 Fan
06-04-2012, 04:59 PM
Also he's not faking. He has a legitimate injury that already bothered him in Rome and it's not because he looks tired or bored that he tries to irritate his opponent. He just always looks in pain or not interest, it's just how he acts on court, maybe it is to take off the pressure, by seeming not to care :shrug:

Singularity
06-04-2012, 05:06 PM
And who's to say Del Potro won't take a set?

FiBeR
06-04-2012, 06:07 PM
What? The guy's running around like Ben Johnson on steds despite two days ago apparently 'crying' in pain with this unplayable injury.

He's conning his opponents. I was never a fan of his game but I didn't think he was a bad guy, but now that's changed.

stop inventing shit please.

Ive listened to each and every press conference from Del Potro and he keeps stating that if he wins or loses, it will be because of his tennis and not his injury. He's been saying over and over that he is in pain with his knee but as soon as he decided to play R1, that was put behind and he is focusing on tennis. He stated he was going to play and that if he is going to lose, it will be due to a superb rival display or because he plays bad, but not because of injury.

Ive been tweeting the quotes in english in the past 2 weeks (@RaulFiBeR) , but if you know any spanish, help yourself the original audio if you are not convinced http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/130702/DelPotro_R4_RolandGarros_FF

stop :bs: and get your facts straight :)

btw, let me know if you want the R1, R2, R3 press conferences, I have them all as well.

Nole fan
06-04-2012, 08:17 PM
I think this is Del Pony's time. He's showing great shotmaking, he can beat Federer. :D

Allez
06-04-2012, 08:20 PM
I think this is Del Pony's time. He's showing great shotmaking, he can beat Federer. :D

But he can also beat Nole. In fact he probably stands better chance of beating Nole than fed, so perhaps just this once you'll be cheering for Federer, yes ?

Nr 1 Fan
06-04-2012, 08:24 PM
I think this is Del Pony's time. He's showing great shotmaking, he can beat Federer. :D

Lets hope so :p Would be a big dilemma in the SF though :P

Matt01
06-04-2012, 08:30 PM
I thought you had gotten a little understanding of tennis in the last few months but... nah wait I didn't.

Delpo was pushing in this match as he always does against big hitters. I cannot understand why his fanboys can't admit that.


Pushers don't make it past club level.

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 08:34 PM
stop inventing shit please.

Ive listened to each and every press conference from Del Potro and he keeps stating that if he wins or loses, it will be because of his tennis and not his injury. He's been saying over and over that he is in pain with his knee but as soon as he decided to play R1, that was put behind and he is focusing on tennis. He stated he was going to play and that if he is going to lose, it will be due to a superb rival display or because he plays bad, but not because of injury.

Ive been tweeting the quotes in english in the past 2 weeks (@RaulFiBeR) , but if you know any spanish, help yourself the original audio if you are not convinced http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/130702/DelPotro_R4_RolandGarros_FF

stop :bs: and get your facts straight :)

btw, let me know if you want the R1, R2, R3 press conferences, I have them all as well.

Well of course he's fair and give credit when he loses but why was he 'crying' over it a couple of days ago and looking finished against Montanes and ERV?

I took it seriously till this match vs a top player in Berdych, tanking a set and then miraculously running around like Ben Johnson.

It just seems like pure exaggeration. Like he has a gash or sore (which I've had before in that area) but it's being made out he has like damaged knee ligaments or tendonitis.

FiBeR
06-04-2012, 09:03 PM
Who is crying (besides you)? God you are so biased and you are making up stuff. Don't you think any player or their coaches would look into the presser or directly ask the guy how he's feeling instead of somewhat imagine they are crying or they can't go on before actually thinking "this guy is injured and It will be easier to play against him"? -that's what you are implying right? He is playing injured and then running like a beast.

Don't you think if he has been playing like this for the whole tournament and he is clearly stating round by round that he wont forfeit and that he is OK, just injured but playing and focusing on tennis, is a good head-up to think he wont retire?

So how on earth is he conning people? If you see a guy with a big tape on the knee who at moments is not moving well, and is injury prone, but keeps telling you that he is focusing on his tennis and won't lose because of injuries but because of tennis..how in your mind can you actually say he is conning?

do you think the guy is playing with a tape because of fashion? or just faking it out? He is taking it like a man. If your point is that he is not smiling even though he might be in pain, then guilty of charge.

If he wants to throw a set or two, it is his business. Do you actually believe ERV and Montanes lost because of him playing mind games??? (LOL)
Your hatred has blinded you man.

And then, if he took a walk in the park in the second set, and decided to come back strong, so what??

no wonder you go so deep in the ACC... you make absolutely no sense and you seem to have never played a tennis match yourself...

Nole fan
06-04-2012, 09:40 PM
But he can also beat Nole. In fact he probably stands better chance of beating Nole than fed, so perhaps just this once you'll be cheering for Federer, yes ?

Of course he can also beat Nole if he beats Federer. But as far as cheering for Fed? no way. :tape:

Sofonda Cox
06-04-2012, 09:42 PM
I think this is Del Pony's time. He's showing great shotmaking, he can beat Federer. :D

Retracted. But Fed's still winning :D

FiBeR
06-04-2012, 09:46 PM
I think this will be the end of the road for him. He is not moving all that well, and he has a long way to go to return to the top. Though he is steady as #7 in the race, getting closer to Berdych, he is nowhere at a level where he can upset Roger, Nole and Rafa.

QF is a great result for him, should rest up, and prepare to make it past R3 in Wimbledon with any luck..

FedvsNole
06-04-2012, 09:53 PM
Del potro nearly beat fed in 5 sets in roland garros in 2009 and I feel he's not only back to his regular level but has improved in terms of movement and is no longer as much of a pure ball basher. I think he's very dangerous on clay because he gets more time to set his kill shots up whereas playing him on faster courts is helping federer at the same time.

Fed was beating del potro before us open 2009 defeat and he's beating him since this isn't a reflection on del potro's level.. if you look at the guy's past 6-7 months he's playing solid tennis and only getting beaten 4 times by federer and could easily have grabbed a few titles if not for fed.


Fed's form has vanished doesn't matter why. Del po in 4 sets max this time. The guy deserves it and is playing not just a level but maybe 2 levels above what fed's level has been thus far.

At least fed will play halle this year to get ready for grass where he should really focus on peaking in the halle wimnbledon, olympics grass season trifecta.

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 09:56 PM
I think this will be the end of the road for him. He is not moving all that well, and he has a long way to go to return to the top. Though he is steady as #7 in the race, getting closer to Berdych, he is nowhere at a level where he can upset Roger, Nole and Rafa.

QF is a great result for him, should rest up, and prepare to make it past R3 in Wimbledon with any luck..

Yup. He's already probably the 4th or 5th best player in the world, but nowhere close to challenging the top 3 at the moment. He's making steady progress though, I like how he's not rushing things. His comeback could have backfired had he tried to do things too fast, I like his patience.

He will fight tomorrow but still lose in 3 sets, with Federer fully exposing his diminished knee. He will still have two Slam QF this year, with defeats to his worst match-up on tour, beating all the players he should beat in normal conditions.

Time to get that knee in shape for Queens or Wimbledon, where he's not a title contender but can reach the quarters if he's healthy and then gear up for the summer hardcourts. If he keeps making progress, the US Open might very well be the first Slam where he has a realistic chance of winning since his comeback.

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 10:10 PM
Who is crying (besides you)? God you are so biased and you are making up stuff. Don't you think any player or their coaches would look into the presser or directly ask the guy how he's feeling instead of somewhat imagine they are crying or they can't go on before actually thinking "this guy is injured and It will be easier to play against him"? -that's what you are implying right? He is playing injured and then running like a beast.

Don't you think if he has been playing like this for the whole tournament and he is clearly stating round by round that he wont forfeit and that he is OK, just injured but playing and focusing on tennis, is a good head-up to think he wont retire?

So how on earth is he conning people? If you see a guy with a big tape on the knee who at moments is not moving well, and is injury prone, but keeps telling you that he is focusing on his tennis and won't lose because of injuries but because of tennis..how in your mind can you actually say he is conning?

do you think the guy is playing with a tape because of fashion? or just faking it out? He is taking it like a man. If your point is that he is not smiling even though he might be in pain, then guilty of charge.

If he wants to throw a set or two, it is his business. Do you actually believe ERV and Montanes lost because of him playing mind games??? (LOL)
Your hatred has blinded you man.

And then, if he took a walk in the park in the second set, and decided to come back strong, so what??

no wonder you go so deep in the ACC... you make absolutely no sense and you seem to have never played a tennis match yourself...

So what? The guy's a phony in my opinion. If he's in that much pain as what's made out, you don't go running around like a rabbit. His 'pain level' has been, in my opinion, exaggerated. If he knocks out Federer he deserves an Oscar.

If he was as 'hurt' as made out then he'd be out of the tournament by now. He isn't. He's probably sore but he's not got any career threatening problem.

BTW 3rd/4th rnd is the furthest I've gone so do your research.

FedvsNole
06-04-2012, 10:17 PM
So what? The guy's a phony in my opinion. If he's in that much pain as what's made out, you don't go running around like a rabbit. His 'pain level' has been, in my opinion, exaggerated. If he knocks out Federer he deserves an Oscar.

If he was as 'hurt' as made out then he'd be out of the tournament by now. He isn't. He's probably sore but he's not got any career threatening problem.

BTW 3rd/4th rnd is the furthest I've gone so do your research.



Big deal if he's lying about being injured. Doesn't nadal do this all the time win or lose has some type of injury and bandage going on. Taking medical timeouts and what not. It is an advantage to "overexaggerate" your injury bc your opponent will to some degree believe it especially if there is heavy wrapping around whatever is injured. How many times have we seen nadal bandaged up on his knees and still move like a gazelle. Im not saying this is the honorable thing to do... in fact its a cheap tactic but whatever..

Fed' shit form will be put to the test. From what i've seen from the pony not to mention he just got done playing a difficult opponent like berdych while federror has been playing clowns... I just see del potro getting this in 4 sets.

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 10:20 PM
So what? The guy's a phony in my opinion. If he's in that much pain as what's made out, you don't go running around like a rabbit. His 'pain level' has been, in my opinion, exaggerated. If he knocks out Federer he deserves an Oscar.

If he was as 'hurt' as made out then he'd be out of the tournament by now. He isn't. He's probably sore but he's not got any career threatening problem.

BTW 3rd/4th rnd is the furthest I've gone so do your research.

He's playing through the pain, hence the grimaces/pain experessions. Yes, it's not career threatening stuff, but it's not easy to play tennis with pain in your knee, both from a physical and mental point of view.


He's definitely not faking his injury, he's just more expressive than some other players. Perhaps the fact that he's 'scarred' by a previous career threatening injury might have something to do with that?

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 10:23 PM
He's playing through the pain, hence the grimaces/pain experessions. Yes, it's not career threatening stuff, but it's not easy to play tennis with pain in your knee, both from a physical and mental point of view.


He's definitely not faking his injury, he's just more expressive than some other players. Perhaps the fact that he's 'scarred' by a previous career threatening injury might have something to do with that?

Maybe so, but I did find it to be going OTT with it. Nadull apparently had an injured knee in 2009 and was quite quiet about it so you might have a point.

I found it annoying because when I saw him against Montanes, regardless of what I thought about his tennis game, I didn't want him to be on the shelf again cause he's obviously a decent guy and that's how it was looking.

Orange Wombat
06-04-2012, 10:29 PM
Delpo's definitely not faking his injury. Neither is Murray. Why they get injured so on-and-off unusual no one knows. But good tennis fans just have to deal with it.:hatoff:

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 10:30 PM
Maybe so, but I did find it to be going OTT with it. Nadull apparently had an injured knee in 2009 and was quite quiet about it so you might have a point.

I found it annoying because when I saw him against Montanes, regardless of what I thought about his tennis game, I didn't want him to be on the shelf again cause he's obviously a decent guy and that's how it was looking.

It's probably a little niggle. It bothers him and hinders his movement a bit, but he can still play. Otherwise he could not have beaten such good players as Cilic and Berdych.

But you need to remember what he went through with his career threatening wrist injury. After that, it's normal that every little niggle becomes tougher mentally, he's afraid the same might happen again. I'd venture a guess that his knee issue has affected him more from a mental point of view than a physical one.

He's definitely not faking. Just think about: would a guy who basically saw his progres derailed by a career threatening injury 'joke' about injuries/fake injuries on court? It just does not compute. He knows better than most what a serious matter injuries are.

Jimnik
06-04-2012, 10:37 PM
Well done Pony. First player to beat Birdy in less than 5 sets at RG since... before abraxas was born.

Getting the job done in 4 sets could be critical. Hope the Fed match lives up to the inevitable hype.

FiBeR
06-04-2012, 10:49 PM
plus, Im not sure if you saw the match but during the start of the third set, the whole crowd was chanting and cheering for Del Potro.. he claimed that brought new energy into his game and that pushed him to win that third set.

Del Potro's presser: "I was helped in the third by the crowd after losing the second set so easily. That gave me a confidence boost"

I saw it, and I saw how the french crowd were booing Murray when he started touching his back as soon as he lost a point or two... :p

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 10:52 PM
funny you said nothing about Murray's Oscar performance with his back, touching it whenever he loses a point and then playing like nothing have happened when cruising. Yet you see Del Potro's face in pain if he is leading or losing.

You picked your man, I picked mine. But please, don't be ridiculous. Plus Del Potro hasn't spoken about pain, he changes subject every time he is asked about his knee... I wonder where did you make up that crying shit. Maybe frustration over Murray's behaviour?

oh btw.. Im not sure if you saw the match but during the start of the third set, the whole crowd was chanting and cheering for Del Potro.. he claimed that brought new energy into his game and that pushed him to win that third set.

I saw it, and I saw how the french crowd were booing Murray when he started touching his back as soon as he lost a point or two... tell me about being a phony and having double standards :p

He clutches a random body part every match for years even when he isn't injured. Most people knew that by now. He is a heel and he was doing it more than usual to troll the crowd, pissing them off and making them boo him even more because he loves it.

ossie
06-04-2012, 10:55 PM
leave rocketassist alone guys. he is still hurting from the fact that delpo is a slam winner while his boy murray has become the laughing stock of the top players.

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 10:58 PM
Neither Del Potro or Murray are fakers. The truth is that no one here knows how hard it is to play tennis at the highest level through pain (knee or back), both physically and mentally.

Basically, those who hate Del Potro accuse him of faking. Those who hate Murray accuse him of faking. Both are wrong in such a blatant way it's not even funny. Both sets of haters are kind of implying that these players lost sets on purpose (Murray vs Niemenem and Delpo vs Tomas and others) just to throw off their opponents :facepalm:

Hate can make people spew some of the most inane bullshit. Yes, Del Potro thought it was a good idea to just play dead and offer a set to one of the world's best players just so he could play possum :rolleyes: And Murray thought it would be great to go a set and a break down against Niemenem to lure him into a false sense of security :facepalm:

Could we stop the bullshit please? Both are injured, not career threatening but still far from ideal, and both are trying to play through it. That is all.

rocketassist
06-04-2012, 10:58 PM
leave rocketassist alone guys. he is still hurting from the fact that delpo is a slam winner while his boy murray has become the laughing stock of the top players.

in that case why would I not be fussed if Soderking, Berdych or Tsonga overtake him by winning one then, quim?

fran70
06-04-2012, 11:28 PM
Fantastic victory for Delpo playing in one leg and shotting big forehands. Berdych misleaded the tactic as he might had moved Delpo wider over his forehand and putting more pressure over his backhand.
Whatever happens tomorrow it is a great tournament for Delpo. Definitely Roger will use his BH slices to move Delpo around. Delpo only possible tactic to beat Roger will be to play a big percentage of 1st serves in and attacking Roger at every ball.

Caesar1844
06-04-2012, 11:41 PM
The bad news is that the way he is hitting his forehand he will probably add to his Slam tally in the not so distant future.
Yawn. El Spudtro fans have been telling us this for three years. It ain't happening.

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 11:44 PM
Yawm. El Spudtro fans have been telling us this for three years. It ain't happening.

You're surprised he didn't win any Slams while spending a year off the tour having wrist surgery and in the year of his comeback :eek:?

I'm glad you think so highly of him, but you've clearly been too confident. He's good, but not that good.

Caesar1844
06-04-2012, 11:50 PM
It's been three years. The 'wrist surgery' excuse is wearing a bit thin.

They told us last year was going to be Spudman's year. Then it was this year. Now people are saying it will be next year that he gets back into his groove.

Face it, the guy has no groove. One swallow doesn't make a summer, and one Slam does not make a genuine contender.

Mark Lenders
06-04-2012, 11:53 PM
It's been three years. The 'wrist surgery' excuse is wearing a bit thin.

No, it's been three years since he reached his first ever Slam semi. It's been a bit more than a year since he has returned from surgery. His comeback has been fantastic so far. But do feel free to name me the players who won Slams right after coming back from career threatening injuries/surgeries, would love to know who they are.

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 12:01 AM
No, it's been three years since he reached his first ever Slam semi. It's been a bit more than a year since he has returned from surgery. His comeback has been fantastic so far. But do feel free to name me the players who won Slams right after coming back from career threatening injuries/surgeries, would love to know who they are.
LOL. Nice spin.

"Right after" surgery? He's played 6 slams over a year and a half since his comeback. You Spudtards really need to find a new excuse. Maybe he is just an average player who got hot for a couple of weeks?

The guy can't even win a Masters event. His entire career is comprised of one win above 500 level. One-slam wonder indeed.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:06 AM
LOL. Nice spin.

"Right after" surgery? He's played 6 slams over a year and a half since his comeback. You Spudtards really need to find a new excuse. Maybe he is just an average player who got hot for a couple of weeks?

The guy can't even win a Masters event. His entire career is comprised of one win above 500 level. One-slam wonder indeed.

So, tell me which players won one of their first six Slams after coming back from career threatening injury/surgery.

But do keep hating, only time will show who is right.

Fireballer
06-05-2012, 12:06 AM
No, it's been three years since he reached his first ever Slam semi. It's been a bit more than a year since he has returned from surgery. His comeback has been fantastic so far. But do feel free to name me the players who won Slams right after coming back from career threatening injuries/surgeries, would love to know who they are.

dude give up Delpo is a good player that fluked one Slam because Fed choked.....He will never win a second one or a Master event

Topspindoctor
06-05-2012, 12:09 AM
:haha: " Knee Injury" my ass :o

I almost wish Del-Shitro reached the final so that Nadal could give him another tennis lesson on how clay court tennis is supposed to be played.

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 12:12 AM
But do keep hating, only time will show who is right.
Time is currently showing who is right, you're just too deluded to realise.

Spudtards will keep claiming he's on the comeback trail until he's put in a nursing home.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:13 AM
Time is currently showing who is right, you're just too deluded to realise.

Spudtards will keep claiming he's on the comeback trail until he's put in a nursing home.

Yeah right, at 23 he's done. It's not like he's the youngest player in the top 10 or anything.

Fireballer
06-05-2012, 12:17 AM
Yeah right, at 23 he's done. It's not like he's the youngest player in the top 10 or anything.

as long as BIG 3 are playing + Murray he will never win a Masters on GS event

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 12:19 AM
Yeah right, at 23 he's done. It's not like he's the youngest player in the top 10 or anything.
He'll continue to be a solid top-10 player. If he's really lucky, he might be able to grab a 1000 title on a fast hardcourt at some stage. If he hadn't played out of his skin for two weeks, three years ago, then nobody would expect anything more of him.

Unfortunately that two week period got a few fanboys sprogging all over the place. Now they labour under the delusion that the guy is actually a genuine Slam contender.

He is a modern-day Krajicek, nothing more.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:19 AM
as long as BIG 3 are playing + Murray he will never win a Masters on GS event

I could swear the big 3 were playing in 2009.

But I guess we'll see what happens.

Ibracadabra
06-05-2012, 12:20 AM
Saving this

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:21 AM
He'll continue to be a solid top-10 player. If he's really lucky, he might be able to grab a 1000 title on a fast hardcourt at some stage. If he hadn't played out of his skin for two weeks, three years ago, then nobody would expect anything more of him.

Unfortunately that two week period got a few fanboys sprogging all over the place. Now they labour under the delusion that the guy is actually a genuine Slam contender.

He is a modern-day Krajicek, nothing more.

False. Not the first part, that's a prediction, can turn out right or wrong, but the second part.

USO 2009 wasn't his best tournament, it was RG 2009. He was just a bit luckier in his match vs Federer in New York than in Paris, despite playing a much better tournament in Paris overall.

And he had the best season point-wise of a #5 ever, almost as good as two of Sampras's #1 seasons. So yeah, not just two weeks.

Topspindoctor
06-05-2012, 12:23 AM
I could swear the big 3 were playing in 2009.

But I guess we'll see what happens.

...one fluke run = future slam contender? :confused:

Tennis is about consistency, even Pushray is 1000x more consistent than Fluke-Potro.

A GS champ unable to win a masters title, how pathetic is that? Not to mention being a bitch boy to top 4. Not looking good for him to be honest :o :tape:

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:25 AM
...one fluke run = future slam contender? :confused:

Tennis is about consistency, even Pushray is 1000x more consistent than Fluke-Potro.

A GS champ unable to win a masters title, how pathetic is that? Not to mention being a bitch boy to top 4. Not looking good for him to be honest :o :tape:

Ever heard of Kafelnikov? 2 Slams, 0 Masters. It happens, and Juan is 23, it's not like he's already retired without a Masters title.

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 12:28 AM
False. Not the first part, that's a prediction, can turn out right or wrong, but the second part.

USO 2009 wasn't his best tournament, it was RG 2009. He was just a bit luckier in his match vs Federer in New York than in Paris, despite playing a much better tournament in Paris overall.

And he had the best season point-wise of a #5 ever, almost as good as two of Sampras's #1 seasons. So yeah, not just two weeks.
Keep telling yourself that, sonny.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:30 AM
Saving this

Good idea. I wonder if before 2009, the conventional wisdom around here was that Del Potro was never winning a Slam in his life? Probably Murray was the real deal :lol:

Will be nice to see the haters' reactions when/if he does get another Slam. If a simple victory over Berdych can cause this much irritation...

philosophicalarf
06-05-2012, 12:31 AM
A little over 20 months since his comeback now. Quite a while in tennis time.

I'm not sure how long a career he might have either, that frame and style puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the back, knees, elbow etc.

On the other hand, he does seem to be improving gradually. He's probably top8 now on current form, mixed in with tsonga/berd/ferrer behind the top4.

Fireballer
06-05-2012, 12:32 AM
lol comparing Delpo's season to Sampras's

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:33 AM
Keep telling yourself that, sonny.

I will :)

And you will keep hating, I hope. The more you hate, the better Juan is doing :D


lol comparing Delpo's season to Sampras's

In terms of ranking points it was almost as good as two of Sampras's #1 seasons. Just check for yourself if you have doubts.

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 12:33 AM
Good idea. I wonder if before 2009, the conventional wisdom around here was that Del Potro was never winning a Slam in his life? Probably Murray was the real deal :lol:

Will be nice to see the haters' reactions when/if he does get another Slam. If a simple victory over Berdych can cause this much irritation...
Nobody has anything against Spudtro. He comes across as a really nice guy in interviews. I am glad when he wins, particularly over oxygen thieves like Birdshit.

It's just his tard fanboys that annoy people. The most delusional group of tennis fans going around, bar none.

Fireballer
06-05-2012, 12:35 AM
I will :)

And you will keep hating, I hope. The more you hate, the better Juan is doing :D

dude Fed will cream him in 3 sets.One more proof Fed fucked up in 2009 when he played better than in 2012.Juan is a nice guy and I like but he is the most overrated player on tour bar none

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:42 AM
Nobody has anything against Spudtro. He comes across as a really nice guy in interviews. I am glad when he wins, particularly over oxygen thieves like Birdshit.

It's just his tard fanboys that annoy people. The most delusional group of tennis fans going around, bar none.

Yeah, you have nothing against him. Just against his fans, who believe that their favorite player, who beat Nadal and Federer back to back when he was 20yo, can win another Slam in the future despite his career threatening injury :rolleyes:

His fans should just give up hope, right? And start supporting Federer, Nadal or Djokovic

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:44 AM
dude Fed will cream him in 3 sets.One more proof Fed fucked up in 2009 when he played better than in 2012.Juan is a nice guy and I like but he is the most overrated player on tour bar none

Yes, I know Federer will win in 3. But how exactly does that prove that Del Potro is overrated? I've claimed multiple times in this thread that he will lose to Federer and will not win this Slam. Never expected him to. Who exactly expects him to win tomorrow?

jonas
06-05-2012, 12:48 AM
Nice one Juan.
I think people are underestimating his chances vs Fed.
I mean Roger hasn't been blistering this tourney, has he?
I think Roger will win. But it will be a tight match.

Fireballer
06-05-2012, 12:48 AM
Yes, I know Federer will win in 3. But how exactly does that prove that Del Potro is overrated? I've claimed multiple times in this thread that he will lose to Federer and will not win this Slam. Never expected him to. Who exactly expects him to win tomorrow?

Because you think Delpo is greater than Murray and a more legit Slam contender maybe...that is why he is overrated

Topspindoctor
06-05-2012, 12:48 AM
I'm sorry but an overyped player like him should be beating Olderer at this stage. Especially on clay. By admitting that a 31 year old man is favorite agains a "talented" young gun on CLAY, you're pretty much admitting that he's much less talented and his only hope to win a slam is if he has to face weak players and his 2009 win against Nadal/Olderer was a fluke.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 12:52 AM
Because you think Delpo is greater than Murray and a more legit Slam contender maybe...that is why he is overrated

Well, of course he is. Even with Juan's absence off the circuit + comeback, Murray still couldn't catch up with him in the Slam department and he's considerably older.

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 12:56 AM
Yeah, you have nothing against him. Just against his fans, who believe that their favorite player, who beat Nadal and Federer back to back when he was 20yo, can win another Slam in the future despite his career threatening injury :rolleyes:

His fans should just give up hope, right? And start supporting Federer, Nadal or Djokovic
Hey, I'm a big Feliciano Lopez fan. That doesn't mean I'm utterly deluded about his prospects of winning a Grand Slam.

Fandom and critical thinking don't have to be mutually exclusive.

BauerAlmeida
06-05-2012, 01:01 AM
I'm sorry but an overyped player like him should be beating Olderer at this stage. Especially on clay. By admitting that a 31 year old man is favorite agains a "talented" young gun on CLAY, you're pretty much admitting that he's much less talented and his only hope to win a slam is if he has to face weak players and his 2009 win against Nadal/Olderer was a fluke.


Olderer??? He was 27.

And as ML said, if it's not this year (I don't think so, but he will at least reach the SF at the USO), next year he is winning another slam.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 01:02 AM
Hey, I'm a big Feliciano Lopez fan. That doesn't mean I'm utterly deluded about his prospects of winning a Grand Slam.

Fandom and critical thinking don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Sorry to be so blunt but there are a few reasons for that:

1-Lopez has never won a Slam or even come close to it, nor does he have the game to do it.

2-Back from injury Del Potro i still better than Lopez has ever been or will ever be.

3-Lopez was never ranked in the world top 5.


Really, do I need to give any more reasons why Del Potro fans can reasonably expect a second Slam at some point but Lopez fans need a miracle for that to happen?

And I don't expect Del Potro to win another Slam. I expect him to win another at some point, which no matter what you say is a more than reasonable expectation.

Fireballer
06-05-2012, 01:03 AM
Well, of course he is. Even with Juan's absence off the circuit + comeback, Murray still couldn't catch up with him in the Slam department and he's considerably older.

SLAM's aint everything dude...you are clueless and he is 1 year older ................

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 01:07 AM
SLAM's aint everything dude...you are clueless and he is 1 year older ................

Murray's game is far more reliant on movement, so on paper he has less years of prime play left than Del Potro, who relies on power and accuracy, which takes far longer to decline (on paper of course).

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 01:08 AM
Sorry to be so blunt but there are a few reasons for that:

1-Lopez has never won a Slam or even come close to it, nor does he have the game to do it.

2-Back from injury Del Potro i still better than Lopez has ever been or will ever be.

3-Lopez was never ranked in the world top 5.


Really, do I need to give any more reasons why Del Potro fans can reasonably expect a second Slam at some point but Lopez fans need a miracle for that to happen?

And I don't expect Del Potro to win another Slam. I expect him to win another at some point, which no matter what you say is a more than reasonable expectation.
:rolleyes: I didn't say Lopez and Spudtro were at the same level.

I just said you don't have to believe your guy is 'teh graytest!!!!!!11111111oneoneone' in order to be a fan. You can be a fan of Spudtro whilst also realising that he is simply not a good enough player to win another Slam.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 01:11 AM
:rolleyes: I didn't say Lopez and Spudtro were at the same level.

I just said you don't have to believe your guy is 'teh graytest!!!!!!11111111oneoneone' in order to be a fan. You can be a fan of Spudtro whilst also realising that he is simply not a good enough player to win another Slam.

You can, but you'd be a terrible fan (in Juan's case) tbf.

You'd have to be very pessimistic to think a guy you like who beat two of the greatest ever players back to back to win a Slam when he was 20 and returned to the top 10 in a year after career threatening injury can't ever win a Slam again. Incredibly pessimistic really.

BauerAlmeida
06-05-2012, 01:21 AM
You can, but you'd be a terrible fan (in Juan's case) tbf.

You'd have to be very pessimistic to think a guy you like who beat two of the greatest ever players back to back to win a Slam when he was 20 and returned to the top 10 in a year after career threatening injury can't ever win a Slam again. Incredibly pessimistic really.


Don't know how you don't get tired of answering and posting the same arguments over and over.

He is 23 (some people seem to think he is 40), he had a career-threatening injury and he already won a GS(defeating Nadal and Federer, something only Nole 2.0 was able to do). So why on earth should we think that he is not good enough to win another slam??

Jimnik
06-05-2012, 01:26 AM
Pony will probably win another slam. Maybe AO 2014. Similar career to Safin.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 01:27 AM
Don't know how you don't get tired of answering and posting the same arguments over and over.

He is 23 (some people seem to think he is 40), he had a career-threatening injury and he already won a GS(defeating Nadal and Federer, something only Nole 2.0 was able to do). So why on earth should we think that he is not good enough to win another slam??

Too much time on my hands, too lazy to study for my exams :o

But yes, I'm getting as repetitive as the haters :lol:

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 01:28 AM
You can, but you'd be a terrible fan (in Juan's case) tbf.

You'd have to be very pessimistic to think a guy you like who beat two of the greatest ever players back to back to win a Slam when he was 20 and returned to the top 10 in a year after career threatening injury can't ever win a Slam again. Incredibly pessimistic really.
There is absolutely no reason to think that he will. He won the 2009 USO playing very low-percentage tennis that blew technically superior players off the court. It is not the sort of form that players tend to replicate, and this is borne out by the fact that he has been unable to win another notable title before or since. His terrible H2H against top players adds weight to that.

A realistic Del Potro fan would hope that he could string together a couple of good performances to win a Masters title at some stage. Waiting for him to replicate his USO form every August and then being disappointed when he fails miserably every year is not sensible.

Mark Lenders
06-05-2012, 01:32 AM
There is absolutely no reason to think that he will. He won the 2009 USO playing very low-percentage tennis that blew technically superior players off the court. It is not the sort of form that players tend to replicate, and this is borne out by the fact that he has been unable to win another notable title before or since. His terrible H2H against top players adds weight to that.

A realistic Del Potro fan would hope that he could string together a couple of good performances to win a Masters title at some stage. Waiting for him to replicate his USO form every August and then being disappointed when he fails miserably every year is not sensible.

Low percentage? Do you even watch Del Potro? He hits with a lot of margin. And a few months later he reached the WTF finals beating Federer on the way again, and months earlier he had had a fantastic tournament at the French Open. After reaching WTF finals, his progress was stopped by wrist injury and he had to start again in 2011.

And no, I don't expect him to replicate his Slam-winning performance every August, I expect him to win another Slam at some point, that's all.

BauerAlmeida
06-05-2012, 01:32 AM
Pony will probably win another slam. Maybe AO 2014. Similar career to Safin.

I think he will win an AO and one more USO. Maybe he could add another USO or one RG if Nadal declines in clay a bit or Delpo plays out of his mind and beats him there (it may happen, he almost takes him to 5 sets in DC playing nowhere near his best).

Edda
06-05-2012, 01:51 AM
Roger better be careful. I don't think Delpo is all that great a player, but Roger has been really lazy this tournament. It is ridiculous that three of his matches went four sets.

Topspindoctor
06-05-2012, 01:54 AM
Roger better be careful. I don't think Delpo is all that great a player, but Roger has been really lazy this tournament. It is ridiculous that three of his matches went four sets.

Goderer is just lulling everyone into false sense of security :shrug:

He won't drop a set from this point on to his second RG crown :yeah: :cool::smoke:

abraxas21
06-05-2012, 02:41 AM
pony has a better shot than federer of beating nadal on clay

lucyfur
06-05-2012, 02:50 AM
There is absolutely no reason to think that he will. He won the 2009 USO playing very low-percentage tennis that blew technically superior players off the court. It is not the sort of form that players tend to replicate, and this is borne out by the fact that he has been unable to win another notable title before or since. His terrible H2H against top players adds weight to that.

A realistic Del Potro fan would hope that he could string together a couple of good performances to win a Masters title at some stage. Waiting for him to replicate his USO form every August and then being disappointed when he fails miserably every year is not sensible.

he only played one USO since 2009, where do you get that we are disappointed every August year after year? :rolleyes:

Caesar1844
06-05-2012, 03:30 AM
he only played one USO since 2009, where do you get that we are disappointed every August year after year? :rolleyes:
From the fact that he will continue to lose every August.

lucyfur
06-05-2012, 03:51 AM
Wow you must be psycho. I mean psychic.

Raiden
06-05-2012, 09:26 AM
he only played one USO since 2009, where do you get that we are disappointed every August year after year? Touché!



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Singularity
06-05-2012, 05:31 PM
Their last 5 matches.
So, like the 5 matches Federer and Del Potro played before the RG 09 semi-final, then?