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Do you think its time for nadal to leave uncle toni?

Punky
03-20-2012, 09:19 PM
Nadal hasn't won a title since the FO and well he look Tired and lack of energy, yes i know he is in good shape and can play 6 house like in AUS but he just doesn't look good and i don't think it only b/c of novak, yes he has part of it but not all of it.
Clay season is coming and even if he will win a few Clay Tournaments i still think its time to leave uncle Toni and find a new coach, maybe a new energy will help him?
even great champs need a change from time to time, look at Roger after years without a coach took Paul to help him.

i think ONLY IF HE WILL LOSE THE FO he will do it or Seriously think about it.


what do you think?

Allez
03-20-2012, 09:26 PM
It's not Uncle Toni's fault. Rafa's been off playing golf but do not fret, the clay season is almost upon us.

Ben.
03-20-2012, 09:30 PM
Yes, I think so. A new coach would give him renewed motivation, a good kick up the arse. He seemed strangely content with choking the AO final and getting routed by Federer. Plus, how much time does he have left at the top? A bad clay season could be the end of him.

Sofonda Cox
03-20-2012, 09:31 PM
Yes, I think so. A new coach would give him renewed motivation, a good kick up the arse. He seemed strangely content with choking the AO final and get routed by Federer. Plus, how much time does he have left at the top? A bad clay season could be the end of him.

Here's hoping.

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-20-2012, 09:32 PM
No No No Do you want Rafa to go Hingis route when she left her mother and failed to win again.

Sofonda Cox
03-20-2012, 09:37 PM
No No No Do you want Rafa to go Hingis route when she left her mother and failed to win again.

tbf it was largley due to her drug addiction she failed to win again. *snort, snort*

Punky
03-20-2012, 09:43 PM
tbf it was largley due to her drug addiction she failed to win again. *snort, snort*

couldn't say it better myself. :worship:

Clay Death
03-20-2012, 09:47 PM
Yes, I think so. A new coach would give him renewed motivation, a good kick up the arse. He seemed strangely content with choking the AO final and getting routed by Federer. Plus, how much time does he have left at the top? A bad clay season could be the end of him.



there is no question the time is running out. he has to make something happen in the next 3 years.

he needs a target of 4-5 slams in 3 years and then go about making it happen.

and to hell with the rankings now. he is not managing the rankings well at all anymore.

sexybeast
03-20-2012, 09:50 PM
Nadal needs to manage his schedule, I really dont know if his family decides where he should play but it is absurd he goes playing Tokyo after tiring Usopen finals, I remember he played Rotterdam for no reason in 2009 and that punished him greatly later on. Nadal should have played Acapulco and maybe some other clay tournament to get his confidence going and still beiing soft on his body, he should also only play 3 claycourt tournaments before RG this year, as someone said dont care about the rankings by now but he should focus on winning RG foremost. Let Djokovic and Federer battle it out in Madrid on the fast clay where he cant beat Djokovic and even Federer can challenge him.

luie
03-20-2012, 10:18 PM
Nadull will be playing challengers without uncle Toni , the brains behind the operation .

Sofonda Cox
03-20-2012, 10:26 PM
Nadull will be playing challengers without uncle Toni , the brains behind the operation .

True. Nadull keeps his 7 braincells in his rectum and even they need stimulating to work.

Clay Death
03-20-2012, 10:33 PM
Nadal needs to manage his schedule, I really dont know if his family decides where he should play but it is absurd he goes playing Tokyo after tiring Usopen finals, I remember he played Rotterdam for no reason in 2009 and that punished him greatly later on. Nadal should have played Acapulco and maybe some other clay tournament to get his confidence going and still beiing soft on his body, he should also only play 3 claycourt tournaments before RG this year, as someone said dont care about the rankings by now but he should focus on winning RG foremost. Let Djokovic and Federer battle it out in Madrid on the fast clay where he cant beat Djokovic and even Federer can challenge him.



excellent post. spot on.

ossie
03-20-2012, 10:40 PM
he doesn't need uncle toni to figure out that his general strategy of play it to their backhand just does not work against superior players other than federer. ironically nadal is going the same way fed has been going for years now , they both refuse to change their game to counter their worst match up.

Orka_n
03-20-2012, 10:42 PM
If Nadal wants to win on the tennis court, he should keep Uncle Toni.
If Nadal wants to grow as a human being, he should sack Uncle Toni.

The choice is yours, Rafa.

TBkeeper
03-20-2012, 10:50 PM
WOWWW imagine what will Kolya do with Nadull on court if he leaves Toni !!!

viruzzz
03-20-2012, 10:55 PM
I think he should hire Federer as his coach.

Punky
03-20-2012, 10:59 PM
I think he should hire Federer as his coach.

Lol to help him win GS haha right...

Nidhogg
03-20-2012, 11:48 PM
By now I know how this movie goes. Hold your advices til he gets on the clay.

HKz
03-21-2012, 12:23 AM
Lol to help him win GS haha right...

You mean to manage his schedule.

Punky
03-21-2012, 04:21 AM
By now I know how this movie goes. Hold your advices til he gets on the clay.

So you want him to win only on clay?

BroTree123
03-21-2012, 04:35 AM
Uncle Toni will always be there fixing the weather and providing on-court telepathic coaching, and when to take "injury timeouts" :zzz:

FedvsNole
03-21-2012, 06:31 AM
im sure toni will start giving nadal a shot of vegetable juice like he used to when he was younger and more muscular in his 18-20 years of life than this old old age of 25 he is now. Who could expect an athlete at 25 to be as muscular as when they were 18. no?


Federer could give him some tips on the backhand.

n8
03-21-2012, 06:47 AM
Rafa should hire the guy who taught him his US Open 2010 serve.

EddieNero
03-21-2012, 07:03 AM
Rafa should hire the guy who taught him his US Open 2010 serve.

I don't understand why people tend to bring up that 2010 serve everytime and everwhere.
First of all, it was kind of fluke, unexpected form what even Nadal admitted himself .
Second of all, it's impossible to change your serving technique at this point of career, adding couple of km/h to each serve brings greater pressure and charge on your shoulders, which results in injuries.

The conclusion is, If Nadal kept serving USO 2010-like, he would probably had frequent left-shoulders injury and eventually couldn't serve at all.

samanosuke
03-21-2012, 07:43 AM
:lol: I hope so because toni is the only thing that keeps him over the water. imagine nadal alone in cheating

Allez
03-21-2012, 07:45 AM
It's thanks to Uncle Toni that Rafa is having all these cakewalk draws. Don't get rid of him.

david_is_not_fat
03-21-2012, 08:17 AM
There where a rumor that said he was going to start working with Luis Lobo.
But months ago...

out_grinder
03-21-2012, 10:17 AM
True. Nadull keeps his 7 braincells in his rectum and even they need stimulating to work.

AHAHA post of the week

LisaKoh
03-21-2012, 11:29 AM
Rafa should hire the guy who taught him his US Open 2010 serve.

Oscar Borras? Isn't that guy suing him?

I think he should hire Federer as his coach.

HAHA. :) Shades of Apollo Creed?

In all seriousness, he shouldn't junk Uncle Toni. Francisco Roig doesn't seem to provide the moral support/motivation that Toni does. Let's be honest, Toni is probably closer to Rafa than Rafa is to his own dad. Asking Rafa to ditch Toni is like asking Serena and Venus to ditch Oracene and Richard.

He probably has a whole coterie of consultants and specialists at his beck and call anyway. Toni's just there as the parental figure.

mikkemus23
03-21-2012, 11:34 AM
Yes. Hire Paul Anacone.

Johnny Groove
03-21-2012, 12:10 PM
No way. And lose out on all of the "advantages" Toni gives? With draws, injuries, and weather control? :p

But I do believe Toni needs to alter his mental approach just a bit. Nadal is not 17 anymore.

Eden
03-21-2012, 04:25 PM
A few years ago MTF's unforgettable Adee-Gee already lost faith in Uncle Toni

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=94312

- and look what Rafa achieved since then ;)

Why should Rafa look out for a new coach? He reached the final of the last 4 GS tournaments and won one of them. It's not the first time he wasn't able to win a tournament for several months but Rafa's best part of the season is still to come.

Rafa is working with Uncle Toni for so many years and it would be really difficult for someone new to step into Toni's shoes - not only because Rafa and Toni are close with each other but also because a new coach would always get compared with Toni.

Rafa is at a very interesting part in his career now because for the first time he feels how it is to lose to a player a few times in a row. I'm pretty sure he will be extremely motivated to beat Novak the next time they are going to meet.

Let's not forget how long Rafa is already on the tour and that he has nearly won everything in tennis. It will only be natural when he would start to lose more often in smaller tournaments but he is still one of the main players to beat, even more so in best of 5 matches where he is a "beast".

david_is_not_fat
03-21-2012, 08:53 PM
weather control? :p

:lol::lol::lol:

I read his name was "Mago Natali" or Natali the Magician.


Rafa can hire an auxiliary or something if he feels he needs extra help, but maintaining Tío Toni.

SheepleBuster
03-21-2012, 09:28 PM
Let me put it so even Rafatards can understand it: Rafa is DONE. Finished. Finito. End of the line. No more titles. No more big wins. No more top 5 for longer. As they say, the fat lady has sung and is over.

tennizen
03-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Maybe Nole and Rafito should exchange coaches for a while.

fast_clay
03-21-2012, 09:31 PM
No way. And lose out on all of the "advantages" Toni gives? With draws, injuries, and weather control? :p

But I do believe Toni needs to alter his mental approach just a bit. Nadal is not 17 anymore.

:lol::lol::lol:

I read his name was "Mago Natali" or Natali the Magician.


Rafa can hire an auxiliary or something if he feels he needs extra help, but maintaining Tío Toni.

the 'El Nino' effect is a term weather god Toni Nadal coined when rafael nafal was a young nipper

it would be foolish to part company with a weather god... but, in order to become his own man i do suggest that rafa should challenge him to a fair fist fight, minus special powers...

Vida
03-21-2012, 10:05 PM
not yet ;)

david_is_not_fat
03-21-2012, 10:05 PM
the 'El Nino' effect is a term weather god Toni Nadal coined when rafael nafal was a young nipper

it would be foolish to part company with a weather god... but, in order to become his own man i do suggest that rafa should challenge him to a fair fist fight, minus special powers...

In an interview Rafa said one day he was losing it started raining, the match was delayed, then he won.
I can't imagine young Rafa's face in that momment :angel:
He used to tell him he was a magician and after that Rafa believed :P

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-22-2012, 01:11 AM
If uncle toni was an outfielder in baseball he couldnt catch a cold

no, dear friends- uncle toni helps nadal get to the top but not by his coaching ability

his coaching during matches is the tip of the iceberg-

if nadal left phony- then physcially he wouldn't last

Clay Death
03-22-2012, 01:16 AM
mods :

please drag this thread outside and have an old spotted hyena shit on it instantly.

Sofonda Cox
04-01-2012, 08:22 PM
mods :

please drag this thread outside and have an old spotted hyena shit on it instantly.

Why not a pig?

EddieNero
04-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Who would rig the draws for him If he got rid of Toni?

vamosinator
04-01-2012, 08:42 PM
Can't really argue with Uncle Toni after all but beating Djokovic in that 2012 Australian Open final (which was only Rafa's fault), followed by decent results at Indian Wells and Miami (by tendinitis standards). Could not ask for a better start to the year, given the adjustment to a heavier racquet and the tendinitis. Very consistent start, and Rafa has reduced the gap in rankings by making the final at AO (was only defending a QF) and actually reducing the gap at Indian Wells by losing in semi (because Djokovic lost in semi too which hurt Djokovic more because he was defending the title). So overall this year Rafa has moved closer to Djokovic and should regain the number one ranking if he can win Monte Carlo, Rome (big gain - 800 point swing by beating Djok in the final), Madrid (big gain - 800 point swing by beating Djok in the final), Roland Garros and Wimbledon (biggest gain). Judge Uncle Toni after Wimbledon (although a coach's impact is minimal at this stage of a player's career).
http://www.tennisperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rafa-Nadal-RG-2010.jpg

LastRocket
04-01-2012, 08:45 PM
No.
What's wrong with 10 GS titles?

BIGMARAT
04-01-2012, 08:48 PM
too late in his career to change gamestyle.
and besides, Uncle Toni already brought out the best in him.

Ben.
04-01-2012, 08:49 PM
Who would rig the draws for him If he got rid of Toni?

Don't see why Toni couldn't cut cheques from Mallorca.

ProdigyEng
08-28-2013, 06:12 PM
Yes, I think Tio Toni needs to go, this HC swing has been awful from Rafa :sad:.

TheShowMustGoOn
08-28-2013, 06:18 PM
It's been done without Toni, but no way you can get rid of a man like this.

SheepleBuster
08-28-2013, 06:21 PM
Rafa does not need to leave Tony. He just needs to bring an exorcist in to get this demon possessed man some relief. Uncle Tony has performed many black magic tricks in the past few months. I mean it's obvious Rafa is not the only one winning these matches. He has help

viva-rafa
08-28-2013, 06:41 PM
:lol:
Funny thread! Nadal has the best team: Uncle Toni + Francisco Roig :)

r2473
08-28-2013, 07:18 PM
He needs to dump Toni and start dating Hingis.

Ivelina_P
08-28-2013, 07:34 PM
This thread is started by an unbiased objective analyst who truly cares for the game and Nadal's role and achievements in history.

Kiedis
08-28-2013, 07:34 PM
Nadal is a habits animal, he still lives in the small town of Manacor, he keeps his childhood friends and girlfriend and he still lives with his parents, his sister and even his grandfather and other members of this family, something traditional in Spain, the big family. They never left each other.

bobbynorwich
08-28-2013, 08:30 PM
Nadal is #2 and about to bust back to #1 after a blazing hard court season, so why change coaches? If it's not broken, don't fix it.


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Goliath
08-28-2013, 08:37 PM
My signature.

Toni completes Rafa.

NID
08-28-2013, 08:57 PM
You don't get rid of Toni. Toni gets rid of you.

tektonac
08-28-2013, 09:03 PM
toni engineered dal, dal would be lost w/o don toni, so no.

sentinel
08-28-2013, 09:15 PM
No No No Do you want Rafa to go Hingis route when she left her mother and failed to win again.Exactly you dont break a winning fornula. With uncle Toni Nadal has carved a career second only to Federer in greatness. And greater in terms of their record playing eachother.

Nadal is doing just fine he self motivates. When you see him hungry like he is now to bite another slam trophy. I feel sorry for Federer and the rest because its clobbering time.

Those biceps are not there for show. Theyre there to blast players into loss. And theyre going to give Federer another beating

GSMnadal
08-28-2013, 09:21 PM
The greatest coach of all time and the greatest player of all time.

Why break up that magical team?

sentinel
08-28-2013, 09:27 PM
The greatest coach of all time and the greatest player of all time.

Why break up that magical team?Exactly, Nadal is one of a kind. He is the man that stopped Federer from now having a ridiculous 23 slams never forget that

He has kept Fed in touching distance for future greats. Maybe even for himself. Now Fed is a spent force he has an opportunity to close the gap. And prove what I and many others believe. That he is the real GOAT. Its just a matter of getting the numbers to back it up.

Mr. Oracle
08-28-2013, 09:28 PM
I'd headhunt Annacone for a different perspective on things and have Toni go coach Fed. That would be so cool.

Mr. Oracle
08-28-2013, 09:29 PM
You don't get rid of Toni. Toni gets rid of you.

:rolls:

156mphserve
08-28-2013, 09:29 PM
Nadal is #2 and about to bust back to #1 after a blazing hard court season, so why change coaches? If it's not broken, don't fix it.


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this thread is a year and a half old

LoveFifteen
08-28-2013, 09:32 PM
Let me put it so even Rafatards can understand it: Rafa is DONE. Finished. Finito. End of the line. No more titles. No more big wins. No more top 5 for longer. As they say, the fat lady has sung and is over.

Quality post, SheepleBuster. You're such a clown on this forum. :o

You don't get rid of Toni. Toni gets rid of you.

:lol:

Jolyon
08-28-2013, 09:57 PM
They will be together.

JamieBlake
08-28-2013, 10:00 PM
The greatest coach of all time and the greatest player of all time.

Why break up that magical team?

Because Uncle Toni is a bitch who has total psychological control over Rafa and treats him like his puppet, that's why.

I'd headhunt Annacone for a different perspective on things and have Toni go coach Fed. That would be so cool.

Federer wouldn't be able to stand that clown for more than 2 minutes in a row.

Kiedis
08-28-2013, 10:05 PM
Because Uncle Toni is a bitch who has total psychological control over Rafa and treats him like his puppet, that's why.


lol, one person has to be very stupid to speak so forcefully of the relationship of two people that not even know personally.

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Jimnik
08-28-2013, 10:07 PM
Time for Uncle Toni to leave Nadal. Federer could use his services.

Mr. Oracle
08-31-2013, 01:01 AM
Time for Uncle Toni to leave Nadal. Federer could use his services.

He'd teach fed the importance of hitting the right shot, instead of being a slave to variety.

Kiedis
08-31-2013, 01:30 AM
He'd teach fed the importance of hitting the right shot, instead of being a slave to variety.

Federer all his career had the huge ego/confidence (its depends on who analyze it) to try to play his best tennis without worrying about the opponent hoping would be enough but for the first time at Cinci he played cat and mouse game with Rafa. In fact if you take a look of the stats at the match Federer hit more to Rafa's BH that Rafa hit to Roger's BH, something never seen in this match-up.

duarte_a
08-31-2013, 08:58 AM
Time for Uncle Toni to leave Nadal. Federer could use his services.

Any player could. Toni is the mastermind Dull is just the puppet.

Toni is the GOAT.

Rafaspin
08-31-2013, 09:16 AM
Any player could. Toni is the mastermind Dull is just the puppet.

Toni is the GOAT.

Toni defeats Srdjan 6-2, 6-3, 6-1

duarte_a
08-31-2013, 09:19 AM
Toni defeats Srdjan 6-2, 6-3, 6-1

More like triple bagel.

Toni defeats Annacone 6-2 6-1 6-0.

Maybe Lendl could challenge him a bit (after all leading Murray to 2 slam titles is a huge feat) but would still lose in straights.