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Who is the more overrated player: Raonic or Potro?

Moozza
03-19-2012, 08:55 PM
Raonic has done nothing and isn't even that young. Potro has not done anything for years. So who is more overrated?

HKz
03-19-2012, 08:57 PM
One has no experience, the other still recovering mental form as result of lack of playing/injury. You take your pick on what is "overrated" here.

Saberq
03-19-2012, 08:57 PM
Del Potro of course...he is treated a big force in mens tennis but he only won 1 big tournament in his life(aided by Fed's choking) and has a losing record against every top player.........

HKz
03-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Del Potro of course...he is treated a big force in mens tennis but he only won 1 big tournament in his life(aided by Fed's choking) and has a losing record against every top player.........

So just because he isn't better than Federer/Djokovic/Nadal it makes him a shit player? Nice logic.

Moozza
03-19-2012, 08:59 PM
Del Potro of course...he is treated a big force in mens tennis but he only won 1 big tournament in his life(aided by Fed's choking) and has a losing record against every top player.........

I said Raonic because at least potro has actually achieved something big, but this is true aswell.

Moozza
03-19-2012, 09:01 PM
So just because he isn't better than Federer/Djokovic/Nadal it makes him a shit player? Nice logic.

There are others who is has terrible head to heads against eg. Murray

Saberq
03-19-2012, 09:01 PM
So just because he isn't better than Federer/Djokovic/Nadal it makes him a shit player? Nice logic.

never said he was shit...where did I say that .....a very very good player but not elite type of player thats all

Filo V.
03-19-2012, 09:05 PM
http://spendmoneyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bullshit-button.jpg

HKz
03-19-2012, 09:05 PM
There are others who is has terrible head to heads against eg. Murray

What? Can you type that in a more coherent sentence?

never said he was shit...where did I say that .....a very very good player but not elite type of player thats all

The fact that you actually agree he is overrated, obviously infers he isn't great. Neither are overrated, they get ranked properly for the most part. Del Potro was after all the very first person to beat Nadal/Federer at the same time for a slam title, regardless of how much "luck" was required to do so, only Djokovic has managed to do this one time as well.

Moozza
03-19-2012, 09:10 PM
There are others who is has terrible head to heads against eg. Murray

What? Can you type that in a more coherent sentence?.

there are other players who potro has a terrible head to head against, not just the three you mentioned. Don't see what part of that you are having trouble understanding to be honest.

Saberq
03-19-2012, 09:13 PM
The fact that you actually agree he is overrated, obviously infers he isn't great. Neither are overrated, they get ranked properly for the most part. Del Potro was after all the very first person to beat Nadal/Federer at the same time for a slam title, regardless of how much "luck" was required to do so, only Djokovic has managed to do this one time as well.

He is overrated in a sense that he is over referred as a part of the "real BIG 4" saying he is better and greater than Murray which is not true.....

HKz
03-19-2012, 09:27 PM
there are other players who potro has a terrible head to head against, not just the three you mentioned. Don't see what part of that you are having trouble understanding to be honest.

Isn't that embarrassing for them then that he can be so poor but when it really mattered most he was able to maximize his abilities over everybody else like Murray? Fact is Murray couldn't capitalize at the US Open 2009. He was going to face the same Nadal and Federer, but he faltered which gives even more credit to Del Potro. It is completely unfair to judge where Del Potro should be as he went through an injury. Murray, and many other players, don't go through an injury like his. Many players in history don't ever come back yet Del Potro still got back to the top 10. Plus, he has been unlucky with meeting Federer the past few months as Federer will always be a bad match up for him.

He is overrated in a sense that he is over referred as a part of the "real BIG 4" saying he is better and greater than Murray which is not true.....

Fact is he is greater than Murray in the overall scheme of things when placing them in history. No, he isn't the real number 4 because he won't be consistent enough as Murray clearly the more consistent player but clearly Murray didn't have to have a dramatic injury like Del Potro, so it is very unfair to put any type of real expectations from Juan Martin.

Naudio Spanlatine
03-19-2012, 09:48 PM
http://spendmoneyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bullshit-button.jpg

This:rolleyes:

/End thread:o

Moozza
03-19-2012, 09:56 PM
This:rolleyes:

/End thread:o

Because you disagree the thread should end?

MaxPower
03-19-2012, 10:00 PM
Raonic has done nothing and isn't even that young.

Yes he is 21. Should we send him to the retirement home? How many other <21 year olds are doing better than Mr.Raonic at the moment?


Potro has not done anything for years.
Say what? He did a lot in 2009. Then he picked up a horrible injury and missed all but the very start of 2010. 2011 he was one of the biggest climbers in the rankings. And he's still only 23

So who is more overrated?

Probably no-one but out of the two Raonic by far. People see him as a future slam winner but he's got a lot to prove. Del Potro? He's been top5 in the world. He's won a slam. He's already a proven top player and has achieved more in his career than most players ever will. Question with him is more: Will he get back to his pre-injury form?

Roamed
03-19-2012, 10:27 PM
Neither is overrated. The general perception of Del Potro is a top player just outside the Big 4, which is fair. Raonic is one of the fastest rising young guns. :shrug:

tennishero
03-19-2012, 10:30 PM
never said he was shit...where did I say that .....a very very good player but not elite type of player thats all

novak was 76/2 up until basel late last year... guess who defeated him infront of a home crowd during the davis cup?

oh yea delpo :wavey:

MuzzahLovah
03-19-2012, 10:31 PM
Tomic.

tennishero
03-19-2012, 10:36 PM
btw you can't compare the giraffe servebot to a USO champion, Masters finalist, WTF finalist and ex top 4 player.

funny how quickly people forget and jump on the next bandwagon...

MuzzahLovah
03-19-2012, 10:39 PM
Isn't that embarrassing for them then that he can be so poor but when it really mattered most he was able to maximize his abilities over everybody else like Murray? Fact is Murray couldn't capitalize at the US Open 2009. He was going to face the same Nadal and Federer, but he faltered which gives even more credit to Del Potro. It is completely unfair to judge where Del Potro should be as he went through an injury. Murray, and many other players, don't go through an injury like his. Many players in history don't ever come back yet Del Potro still got back to the top 10. Plus, he has been unlucky with meeting Federer the past few months as Federer will always be a bad match up for him.



Fact is he is greater than Murray in the overall scheme of things when placing them in history. No, he isn't the real number 4 because he won't be consistent enough as Murray clearly the more consistent player but clearly Murray didn't have to have a dramatic injury like Del Potro, so it is very unfair to put any type of real expectations from Juan Martin.

Del Potro is not overranked, he's overrated by people like you when you say he's greater than Murray. Maybe once upon a time he had a bigger successs, but not now and not since then. Fewer titles, lower ranked, terrible head to head against him.

And he is not still injured, and he hasn't been for a long time. Shit, Clijsters had a baby and came back and kept winning tournaments.

Saberq
03-19-2012, 10:43 PM
novak was 76/2 up until basel late last year... guess who defeated him infront of a home crowd during the davis cup?

oh yea delpo :wavey:

hahahaaha defeated him LOL..............if you call that defeating someone ok......:cool:

tennishero
03-19-2012, 10:44 PM
Del Potro is not overranked, he's overrated by people like you when you say he's greater than Murray. Maybe once upon a time he had a bigger successs, but not now and not since then. Fewer titles, lower ranked, terrible head to head against him.

And he is not still injured, and he hasn't been for a long time. Shit, Clijsters had a baby and came back and kept winning tournaments.

delpo has a better forehand, powerful groundstrokes, and at his best is a lot more dangerous than murray...
thus delpo 1 slam, murray 0 (eventhouh murray has had 2 extra years to capitilise whilst delpo was unable to play and recovered from injury).

cheerios :wavey:

Miss Molly
03-19-2012, 10:54 PM
Neither of them are overrated.

MuzzahLovah
03-19-2012, 10:57 PM
delpo has a better forehand, powerful groundstrokes, and at his best is a lot more dangerous than murray...
thus delpo 1 slam, murray 0 (eventhouh murray has had 2 extra years to capitilise whilst delpo was unable to play and recovered from injury).

cheerios :wavey:

Another person overrating Del Po, who even now, years after his injury, is barely a top 10 player.

Naudio Spanlatine
03-19-2012, 10:58 PM
Because you disagree the thread should end?

Yes, its stupid to compare a us open champion who earned his grand slam and his ranking vs. a guy who upset some very good players and played very well in both Memphis and San Jose and had a good run in Aussie open a year ago.

These two are still young, you cant just ASSUME that they are overrated, thats just ludacris and ridiculous.

Ravel
03-19-2012, 10:58 PM
the only thing overrated is this thread.

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:01 PM
Who is more overrated? Lu or Dodig?

Why start a thread asking who is more overrated when the 2 players you're reffering to aren't overrated?:confused:

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:02 PM
the only thing overrated is this thread.

I`d give it a rating of 0, but it probably deserves a rating of -1 so you`re right it is overrated

Naudio Spanlatine
03-19-2012, 11:03 PM
Del Potro is not overranked, he's overrated by people like you when you say he's greater than Murray. Maybe once upon a time he had a bigger successs, but not now and not since then. Fewer titles, lower ranked, terrible head to head against him.

And he is not still injured, and he hasn't been for a long time. Shit, Clijsters had a baby and came back and kept winning tournaments.

No you did NOT just compare Kim having a baby back in 2007 to Juan's wrist injury that forced him to not play the rest of 2010 because he needed to get surgery:facepalm: :facepalm: :stupid:

Moozza
03-19-2012, 11:04 PM
Who is more overrated? Lu or Dodig?

Why start a thread asking who is more overrated when the 2 players you're reffering to aren't overrated?:confused:

Because in my opinion they are both overrated, in particular Raonic.

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:11 PM
Because in my opinion they are both overrated, in particular Raonic.

clearly most people here don't agree with that opinion

Moozza
03-19-2012, 11:14 PM
clearly most people here don't agree with that opinion

Id say it is about 50:50.

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:20 PM
I count 9 people disagreeing with you, and 2 agreeing:shrug:

Moozza
03-19-2012, 11:26 PM
I count 9 people disagreeing with you, and 2 agreeing:shrug:

Well I counted 5 agreeing and 6 disagreeing.

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:30 PM
Well I counted 5 agreeing and 6 disagreeing.

what do you consider agreeing?:confused:

please tell me which 5 people are agreeing with you?

neme6
03-19-2012, 11:34 PM
how is someone ranked 26th in the world overrated? he belongs where right there!

Moozza
03-19-2012, 11:35 PM
what do you consider agreeing?:confused:

please tell me which 5 people are agreeing with you?

Muzzahlovvah, max power, filoV, saberq, Mooza2011

Moozza
03-19-2012, 11:38 PM
how is someone ranked 26th in the world overrated? he belongs where right there!

You don't understand. Raonic is an excellent player and deserves his ranking, there is no such thing as an OVERRANKED player. However people tip him to challenge for MS1000 titles when there is nothing to suggest he is that good.

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:41 PM
lol, first of all, you don't count. We're talking agreeing, it's your opinion, you obviously agree with yourself.

Filo posted a bullshit button, how is that agreeing? He's calling the thread bullshit

and max power said "Probably no-one" so he thinks neither of them are overrated.

The other 2, are agreeing with you based on what they posted.

Delpo is a good player, definately top 10, he has a grand slam, he got injured but is working his way back. The only people who are overrating him are the delpotards who just post nonesense to rile people up.

Milos is ranked in the mid 20's. Right where he belongs imo. He's only had maybe 2 realistic chances to beat a top 8 player, Roddick in Memphis, and fed last week, he took a set both times. He had an injury, so he missed 4 months in which to earn points. He's one of if not the best younger guys. Not overrated

Moozza
03-19-2012, 11:46 PM
lol, first of all, you don't count. We're talking agreeing, it's your opinion, you obviously agree with yourself.

Filo posted a bullshit button, how is that agreeing? He's calling the thread bullshit

and max power said "Probably no-one" so he thinks neither of them are overrated.

The other 2, are agreeing with you based on what they posted.

Delpo is a good player, definately top 10, he has a grand slam, he got injured but is working his way back. The only people who are overrating him are the delpotards who just post nonesense to rile people up.

Milos is ranked in the mid 20's. Right where he belongs imo. He's only had maybe 2 realistic chances to beat a top 8 player, Roddick in Memphis, and fed last week, he took a set both times. He had an injury, so he missed 4 months in which to earn points. He's one of if not the best younger guys. Not overrated

Again these guys deserve their ranking, they are very good players just not as big a threat to top players as they are made out to be.

156mphserve
03-19-2012, 11:51 PM
you pay too much attention to the posters here without brains, anyone with one, who's trying to use it properly isn't overrating them

Snowwy
03-19-2012, 11:58 PM
btw you can't compare the giraffe servebot to a USO champion, Masters finalist, WTF finalist and ex top 4 player.

funny how quickly people forget and jump on the next bandwagon...

This is very true.

you pay too much attention to the posters here without brains, anyone with one, who's trying to use it properly isn't overrating them

:lol:

HKz
03-20-2012, 12:04 AM
Del Potro is not overranked, he's overrated by people like you when you say he's greater than Murray. Maybe once upon a time he had a bigger successs, but not now and not since then. Fewer titles, lower ranked, terrible head to head against him.

And he is not still injured, and he hasn't been for a long time. Shit, Clijsters had a baby and came back and kept winning tournaments.

I like Murray, but who the fuck do you think you are kidding? If Murray doesn't win a slam, which the clock keeps ticking, everyone will always remember Del Potro 1 - Murray 0. All these other titles, sure they are nice, but no one is bragging about McEnroe's 77 titles compared to Borg's 64. Instead it is about 11 vs 7. Fact is Murray would have faced the same Nadal and Federer at the US Open 2009, but he couldn't even get there. There are excuses and there are excuses, you can't be fucking blind bro.

BroTree123
03-20-2012, 12:06 AM
Another del Potro / Raonic bashing thread. Charming.

BauerAlmeida
03-20-2012, 12:07 AM
delpo has a better forehand, powerful groundstrokes, and at his best is a lot more dangerous than murray...
thus delpo 1 slam, murray 0 (eventhouh murray has had 2 extra years to capitilise whilst delpo was unable to play and recovered from injury).

cheerios :wavey:

This.

Murray had/has a better carrer, but Delpo lost 2 years of his carrer (and Murray still wasn't able to catch up in GS titles). Without the wrist injury probably Delpo would have won another slam (or even 2).

MuzzahLovah
03-20-2012, 01:30 AM
This.

Murray had/has a better carrer, but Delpo lost 2 years of his carrer (and Murray still wasn't able to catch up in GS titles). Without the wrist injury probably Delpo would have won another slam (or even 2).

Woulda Shoulda Coulda- He hasn't been injured for years, and he's done jack shit. Saying he would have won so many more slams is overrating him.

green25814
03-20-2012, 02:22 AM
Fact is he is greater than Murray in the overall scheme of things when placing them in history. No, he isn't the real number 4 because he won't be consistent enough as Murray clearly the more consistent player but clearly Murray didn't have to have a dramatic injury like Del Potro, so it is very unfair to put any type of real expectations from Juan Martin.

This is plain wrong. Murray had the same injury Del Potro had at a similar stage, and he came back just as strong.

I don't mind del potro but this constant harping on about his injury is fucking annoying. He is the same player he always was. Which isn't that special. Get over it.

rocketassist
03-20-2012, 02:26 AM
What if Safin hadn't been forced out of the 03 AO when injured. What if the grass was slower when Lendl played. What if Acasuso hadn't choked v Federer in 09. What if JCF hadn't been crippled by illness in 2004 at the key point of the season. We could go on with this.

Del Potro's had a year and a half back now and at best he's lower half of the top 10. He's arguably overachieved by winning a slam with his robotic one-dimensional style.

ExcaliburII
03-20-2012, 04:04 AM
Murray fans are so bitter about DelPotro having one slam and Murray 0 ; its way too funny

gulzhan
03-20-2012, 04:06 AM
Where is the option "none"?

rocketassist
03-20-2012, 04:16 AM
Murray fans are so bitter about DelPotro having one slam and Murray 0 ; its way too funny

His style is a complete turn off for me. Don't like it. Now if Nalbandian won one that's a different story altogether.

Asadinator
03-20-2012, 04:17 AM
Del Potro easily. He is always made a slam contender but every sane person knows he's isn't going to win ever again or get even close.

Lestat
03-20-2012, 04:37 AM
always around the jealousy from murraytards against del potro, no matter how many master 1000 he wins, there is nothing like a GS and that hurts lol

anyways regarding to the topic if we remember back then in 2009 del potro wasnt overrated at all, he was able to beat federer and nadal, won a GS and played the master final (beating federer again) what I mean, Del Potro was definitely a TOP 4, a real threat for the TOP 3 and only a terrible injury stopped him.

After the injury delpo was different player, and probably we will never see him at his real level again because of that very bad injury.

If fans overrate him after the injury is just because what he was and was able to do being healthy, Murraytards can say the same? he had never an injury like that and never won GS.

Zaks_289
03-20-2012, 04:57 AM
After the injury delpo was different player, and probably we will never see him at his real level again because of that very bad injury.



This!

After injury, Del Potro's mentally at different level. The most disappointing thing is never beat Federer again :sad:

CelesteBlanca
03-20-2012, 05:41 AM
he was able to beat federer and nadal, won a GS and played the master final (beating federer again) what I mean, Del Potro was definitely a TOP 4, a real threat for the TOP 3 and only a terrible injury stopped him.

After the injury delpo was different player, and probably we will never see him at his real level again because of that very bad injury.

Yes, actually he had achieved No.4 at the very beginning of 2010.

I think his playing style has changed a little, use his great forehand less than before, and his serve still not as good as 2009, he seems to be very cautious about his wrist because of that surgery.

dwarf shortage
03-20-2012, 05:48 AM
You're an ignoramus if you say Delpo is playing the same as he did before the injury. The matter of the fact is Delpo's best > Murray's best.

Revan
03-20-2012, 06:07 AM
Because in my opinion they are both overrated, in particular Raonic.

You don't even know what you're talking about. :facepalm: And yeah, 21 years old is sooooo old. Also, he has 3 titles already, so saying he has done nothing is bullshit. And the reason why people think he can challenge the top guns is because he has beaten top 10 players, and just recently took a set off Federer. If he continues in form I wouldn't be surprised if he upsets Murray.

MrEleganza
03-20-2012, 08:05 AM
I've only been here a few months, but I've learned a lot here at MTF. Namely, that everyone outside the top 4 is shit, and depending on who you are a fan of, at least one or two of the top four is also shit.

Raonic and Del Potro have both won ATP events, recently. Both of them have taken sets off the top 4, recently. If ANYONE is going to challenge the big 4, it's reasonable to look first at people who have taken sets off them.

"Overrated" means "not as good as most people, or at least a chunk of people, think they are." So OP, where are these legions of people saying they are as good as the top 4? Where are the people even saying they are better than their ranking indicates? 'Cause I'm sure not seeing this phenomenon you are apparently seeing in abundance.

BroTree123
03-20-2012, 08:17 AM
Players, who at least don't bag 5 slams, are considered mugs in MTF I'm afraid .

Moozza
03-20-2012, 08:24 AM
This is plain wrong. Murray had the same injury Del Potro had at a similar stage, and he came back just as strong.

I don't mind del potro but this constant harping on about his injury is fucking annoying. He is the same player he always was. Which isn't that special. Get over it.

You don't even know what you're talking about. :facepalm: And yeah, 21 years old is sooooo old. Also, he has 3 titles already, so saying he has done nothing is bullshit. And the reason why people think he can challenge the top guns is because he has beaten top 10 players, and just recently took a set off Federer. If he continues in form I wouldn't be surprised if he upsets Murray.

I never said he was old just not that young, if he was 19 it would be much more impressive. By 21 Murray had already beaten federer, never mind taking a set and had won MS 1000s and been in a slam final.

Evitman
03-20-2012, 08:35 AM
Del Potro might never be World Number 1. Meanwhile, Raonic actually has a chance to do so, when Fed-Nadal-Djokovic retire, and he might take advantage of his rather weak generation.

Moozza
03-20-2012, 08:39 AM
Del Potro might never be World Number 1. Meanwhile, Raonic actually has a chance to do so, when Fed-Nadal-Djokovic retire, and he might take advantage of his rather weak generation.

Very true Raonic has a good chance to win slams for this reason only.

aberdons
03-20-2012, 08:39 AM
Delpo will never get back to his US Open winning level, while Raonic has a decent chance of living up to the hype. Delpo the more overrated in my opinion.

Clydey
03-20-2012, 09:12 AM
Isn't that embarrassing for them then that he can be so poor but when it really mattered most he was able to maximize his abilities over everybody else like Murray? Fact is Murray couldn't capitalize at the US Open 2009. He was going to face the same Nadal and Federer, but he faltered which gives even more credit to Del Potro. It is completely unfair to judge where Del Potro should be as he went through an injury. Murray, and many other players, don't go through an injury like his. Many players in history don't ever come back yet Del Potro still got back to the top 10. Plus, he has been unlucky with meeting Federer the past few months as Federer will always be a bad match up for him.



Fact is he is greater than Murray in the overall scheme of things when placing them in history. No, he isn't the real number 4 because he won't be consistent enough as Murray clearly the more consistent player but clearly Murray didn't have to have a dramatic injury like Del Potro, so it is very unfair to put any type of real expectations from Juan Martin.

Give me a break.

I guess Johansson and Gaudio are greater than Murray too?

Oh, and Murray did have a similar injury. It didn't take him two years to regain his form.

Clydey
03-20-2012, 09:18 AM
I like Murray, but who the fuck do you think you are kidding? If Murray doesn't win a slam, which the clock keeps ticking, everyone will always remember Del Potro 1 - Murray 0. All these other titles, sure they are nice, but no one is bragging about McEnroe's 77 titles compared to Borg's 64. Instead it is about 11 vs 7. Fact is Murray would have faced the same Nadal and Federer at the US Open 2009, but he couldn't even get there. There are excuses and there are excuses, you can't be fucking blind bro.

You do realise that Murray was injured at USO 09, right? There's a reason why he missed a lot of the post-USO events in 2009. Before the Cilic match, a scan revealed he had capsulitis in his left wrist. Naturally, you will ignore this fact.

Fuck me, why do I allow myself to get drawn into these discussions?

nalbyfan
03-20-2012, 10:00 AM
Guys like Gulbis, Dolgopolov, Dimitrov are overrated on this forum, Delpony had a big wrist problem but I don't know if he can go back to his 2009's level. If not he'll be like Gaudio, Johansson, Roddick etc... who all won a GS by fluke

tennishero
03-20-2012, 02:35 PM
Del Potro easily. He is always made a slam contender but every sane person knows he's isn't going to win ever again or get even close.

:haha: welcome to my sig...

156mphserve
03-20-2012, 05:23 PM
I never said he was old just not that young, if he was 19 it would be much more impressive. By 21 Murray had already beaten federer, never mind taking a set and had won MS 1000s and been in a slam final.

don't get into that breaking through at an older age debate. If you wanna do that there's loads of threads here which it's been gone over time and time again.

Times are different, the game is much more physical, plus Milos focussed on junior tennis when he was a junior, he didn't start playing futures until he was like 18, unlike the freaks that are on the other side of that debeate who were top 100 at 17

HKz
03-20-2012, 06:15 PM
This is plain wrong. Murray had the same injury Del Potro had at a similar stage, and he came back just as strong.

I don't mind del potro but this constant harping on about his injury is fucking annoying. He is the same player he always was. Which isn't that special. Get over it.

Murray didn't win a slam before or after his "injury" so don't bullshit me on this. Murray has had 3 finals and couldn't take one while Del Potro only needed one in a draw Murray could have gone through but didn't as well.

NOT TO MENTION - Del Potro going through an injury would arguably be much tougher than Murray. Del Potro's game requires confidence to go after a shot. Murray can work into a match with his defensive abilities. It is a totally different mind set. However, either way, he still has yet to win a slam, so I don't fucking see why Murray fans would ever try to argue this fact or give any excuses. He certainly has the capability to win a slam, and I believe he will win one, but until then can everyone just shut the hell up about Murray? Giving excuses or hyping him up isn't going to change shit.

Give me a break.

I guess Johansson and Gaudio are greater than Murray too?

Oh, and Murray did have a similar injury. It didn't take him two years to regain his form.

As of now, yes they are. They made the most opportunity of their situations, Murray didn't if Murray doesn't ever win a slam then he will always be remembered for that. If he does, then obviously this discussion is over but clearly he has yet to and it isn't going to get easier for him.

You do realise that Murray was injured at USO 09, right? There's a reason why he missed a lot of the post-USO events in 2009. Before the Cilic match, a scan revealed he had capsulitis in his left wrist. Naturally, you will ignore this fact.

Fuck me, why do I allow myself to get drawn into these discussions?

US Open 2009 or not, he had MANY good chances after that. Again, not a bash against Murray but more like Murray fans being delusional about the 0 to 1 record right now. Just wait until Murray actually wins a slam or else your arguments just look plain silly.

Punky
03-20-2012, 09:41 PM
I don't think either of them is overrated, Raonic is very young and has alot to prove and learn maybe he will get there maybe not, its very hard to know if he will win a slam or not once the federer-nadal-novak generation will retire/get old.
its very very early..

delpo already won a slam when he won over federer and nadal and i think was on his way to the top ranking, i wouldnt say n1 but at the top..
i doubt if he will every get back to that level of Confidence and Ability.
i dont think he is fav to win a slam in the near future..maybe later but not in the up coming 1-2 years.

CelesteBlanca
03-21-2012, 06:03 AM
I never said he was old just not that young, if he was 19 it would be much more impressive. By 21 Murray had already beaten federer, never mind taking a set and had won MS 1000s and been in a slam final.

By 21 Delpo had also beaten Federer, Murray (maybe these two only once not convinced?) and Nadal*3, reached MS final and won the GS title.

Maybe he is still not a contender in bigger stage after comeback, but I don't like the comment about he's overrated. Loss to this GOAT eventual champion Federer is not such a big deal. Murray and Nadal lost to Roger in Dubai and IW too!

LisaKoh
03-21-2012, 07:12 AM
Raonic is overrated. He's got a lot of fans and his career seems to on the ascent which is good .He also seems like an intelligent, pleasant guy. But his titles and H2H record against the Big 4 don't stack up compared to JMDP. In terms of talent, JMDP and Raonic are not even in the same league. Take one look at Del Po on a tennis court and it's pretty clear you're looking at a very rare talent. At 21 Raonic's best performance os a 4th round appearance in AO 2011 whereas JMDP was beating guys like Federer and Nadal at his age.

No offense but I don't see Raonic as somebody who is World #1 material. Top 10 maybe but #1 is a different ballgame.

david_is_not_fat
03-21-2012, 07:21 AM
They are different, can't jugde that u.u

If you are refering to titles... both have long careers waiting, so...

If DP for example has a 'Slam-blank', i don't think that can be considered as a fail. The priority was to recover from surjery, he was near 500 in ranking two years ago or less!




And now the top :)

Asadinator
03-21-2012, 07:49 AM
No offense but I don't see Raonic as somebody who is World #1 material. Top 10 maybe but #1 is a different ballgame.

Nobody is saying Raonic would become #1 :shrug: If anything he is underrated here.

LisaKoh
03-21-2012, 07:57 AM
Del Potro might never be World Number 1. Meanwhile, Raonic actually has a chance to do so.

Asadinator, see this quote.

EddieNero
03-21-2012, 07:59 AM
Del Potro is a quality player and possesses the required game to bother anyone, yet injury prone and lacking of fitness of the Top 4, which may be the biggest obstacle on his road towards winning slams again.
That said, I believe Del Potro is yet to peak.
Raonic has a decent ground game and movement as for a man of this height, but obviously builds on his great serve.
He's still very young and considering serve-bots peak later than grinders, he has a pretty bright future ahead of him.

On a side note, the word overrated is extremely overused these days.

Another RogFan
03-21-2012, 09:50 AM
Del Potro is a quality player and possesses the required game to bother anyone, yet injury prone and lacking of fitness of the Top 4, which may be the biggest obstacle on his road towards winning slams again.
That said, I believe Del Potro is yet to peak.
Raonic has a decent ground game and movement as for a man of this height, but obviously builds on his great serve.
He's still very young and considering serve-bots peak later than grinders, he has a pretty bright future ahead of him.

On a side note, the word overrated is extremely overused these days.

Quality post. They both yet to peak and they both are far from being overrated - noone gave them ranking points for free. Another fact - unlike some top 10 players these guys are making progress of a late.

Moozza
03-28-2012, 07:15 AM
Does anyone wish to change their mind?

156mphserve
03-28-2012, 07:51 AM
no

lucyfur
03-28-2012, 08:06 AM
Neither is overrated.

Moozza
03-28-2012, 02:50 PM
Porto just got routined by ferrer.

tennishero
03-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Porto just got routined by ferrer.

ferrer has beaten the top 4 (bar federer) multiple times, what is your point idiot? delpo has a slam and wins over all the top 4 players

Moozza
03-28-2012, 04:39 PM
ferrer has beaten the top 4 (bar federer) multiple times, what is your point idiot? delpo has a slam and wins over all the top 4 players

:tears:

BauerAlmeida
03-28-2012, 04:58 PM
no

+1

Roddickominator
03-28-2012, 05:26 PM
Raonic is far more overrated. People are talking about him like he's a real future Top 5 and Slam contender and the guy just isn't nearly that good.

Del Potro is overrated too at this point...people that are overrating him are remembering his pre-injury form where he was a legit Top 4 player and a real threat(unlike someone like Murray). He isn't that guy anymore in any facet.... mentally, physically, or in terms of his game. As much heart and guts as he showed making his way up before his injury, he has brought himself down just as much with his constant niggling injuries and lack of ability to re-gain his previous form due to playing fearful tennis.

swisht4u
03-28-2012, 06:15 PM
Neither is overrated.
DelPo did some damage in 2009.

That was some display of ball bashing tennis with precision and accuracy on the biggest stage against the best.

DelPo fans are waiting for his game still to go back to that level, nothing wrong with that and it's healthy for the sport.
I'm on that bandwagon.

Raonic is a brilliant server and still young.
He's improved his play in other areas so should still move up the rankings and has a decent chance of beating the best if conditions are right.

Enjoy the fact we have these two players.

Everko
03-28-2012, 06:50 PM
They are both loved to much here. They are ok players, Del potro is better. Raonic is a transplant.

MariaV
03-28-2012, 06:51 PM
Neither is overrated.

156mphserve
03-28-2012, 09:19 PM
Porto just got routined by ferrer.

So your opinions are based on "what have you done for me lately?"

1 loss to a very talented hard working top 5 player shouldn't affect someone's opinion on a player. Opinions should be created over time, based on results, from watching the player play, etc. not some, you lost your last match you suck knee jerking reaction garbage.

I guess you thought Nadal was overrated after his lost to Dodig?

MaratandMilos
03-28-2012, 10:16 PM
Poor post. I'm really trying to understand how anybody could view these two players as overrated.

Who rates Milos Raonic as anything better than the top 20 player he is right now? The guy is still learning how to play on tour and what his limitations are (hopefully he'll learn to stop playing meaningless doubles matches that he gets hurt in).

Del Potro is firmly a top 10 player, a step behind the true four elites, but clearly right there with them when he's playing his best (as 2009 showed).

MaratandMilos
03-28-2012, 10:22 PM
Raonic is overrated. He's got a lot of fans and his career seems to on the ascent which is good .He also seems like an intelligent, pleasant guy. But his titles and H2H record against the Big 4 don't stack up compared to JMDP.
Milos has played like three matches against the Big 4 in his entire career. I'm not sure what you're looking at to make a statement like that.

You may be right that Milos is more of a future top 10 than a future GS winner, but it's too early to tell.

156mphserve
03-28-2012, 10:51 PM
Raonic is overrated. He's got a lot of fans and his career seems to on the ascent which is good .He also seems like an intelligent, pleasant guy. But his titles and H2H record against the Big 4 don't stack up compared to JMDP. In terms of talent, JMDP and Raonic are not even in the same league. Take one look at Del Po on a tennis court and it's pretty clear you're looking at a very rare talent. At 21 Raonic's best performance os a 4th round appearance in AO 2011 whereas JMDP was beating guys like Federer and Nadal at his age.

No offense but I don't see Raonic as somebody who is World #1 material. Top 10 maybe but #1 is a different ballgame.

what does this post even mean?

the thread isn't about who is better, that is obviously Delpo atm. It's about who is more overrated so your post is pretty much meaningless:confused:

Mark Lenders
04-28-2012, 06:21 PM
Stupid thread. Neither is overrated.

Del Potro is a Slam winner who had a horrible injury and is making his way back to contention.

Raonic is a young player with a great serve and who has been steadily improving his other weapons and should be in the top 10 and competing for big titles soon enough.

None of them is overrated and both are still young and yet to reach their peak.

Moozza
06-29-2012, 03:28 PM
Apologies to Potro fans for this thread. Potro is underrated compared to Raonic. I saw people treating Raonic as a certainty for R4, many even favouring him over Murray.

Time Violation
06-29-2012, 03:32 PM
Apologies to Potro fans for this thread. Potro is underrated compared to Raonic. I saw people treating Raonic as a certainty for R4, many even favouring him over Murray.

People want to see a new (young) face, and Milos is best of the lot, so no wonder. :)

Mark Lenders
06-29-2012, 03:34 PM
People want to see a new (young) face, and Milos is best of the lot, so no wonder. :)

That is very, very debatable at best.

sexybeast
06-29-2012, 03:46 PM
Nishikori is arguably better than Raonic and only 1 year older. There are no great youngsters, it is the failed generation.

Players 30+ are alot better than players under 24, which is a strange happening in tennis to say the least....

Time Violation
06-29-2012, 03:47 PM
That is very, very debatable at best.

Well, he's won titles, has the highest ranking, don't care about so-called "talents" if they can't do jack.

sexybeast
06-29-2012, 03:49 PM
Well, he's won titles, has the highest ranking, don't care about so-called "talents" if they can't do jack.

Nishikori has the best ranking, has been in QF at slam and is the only one to beat anyone in the top 3.

dencod16
06-29-2012, 03:50 PM
definitely Raonic is overrated he doesnt have much weapons only a forehand and serve, he cant hit anything else. People are treating him like his a top 10 player, he needs to have more to be one.

Mark Lenders
06-29-2012, 03:51 PM
Well, he's won titles, has the highest ranking, don't care about so-called "talents" if they can't do jack.

Not true. Nishikori has the highest ranking of the post Del Potro generation/age group (so guys under 23), he's ranked ahead of his peers (including Raonic) despite his millions of injuries, and has had better Slam performances as well, both in terms of round reached and scalps (beat Tsonga, Cilic and Ferrer at Slams, Nole outside of Slams).

He's definitely the best player under 23 years old at this moment in time, which is quite sad considering has had enough injury setbacks to last an entire career.

Nr 1 Fan
06-29-2012, 03:52 PM
Worst Thread in a while.

Over 100 posts? This thread is overrated.

sexybeast
06-29-2012, 03:58 PM
Watch out for Goffin aswell, he seems to be a late bloomer with a body who matured late unlike Raonic and seems to have some real talent.

allpro
06-29-2012, 04:00 PM
Worst Thread in a while.

Over 100 posts? This thread is overrated.

+1

porto and rao will do some damage on hc after the olympics.

Mark Lenders
06-29-2012, 04:02 PM
Watch out for Goffin aswell, he seems to be a late bloomer with a body who matured late unlike Raonic and seems to have some real talent.

True, he should start climbing up the rankings soon.

As of right now though, Nishikori is clearly the best player under 23 years of age, which is kind of embarrassing for the new generation, given that Kei has had enough injuries to last an entire career.

sexybeast
06-29-2012, 04:02 PM
+1

porto and rao will do some damage on hc after the olympics.

Del Potro certanly could and should. Raonic? Seriously, the guy can be dangerous to any top player but can lose to anyone because he got no return game.

Mark Lenders
06-29-2012, 04:08 PM
Del Potro certanly could and should. Raonic? Seriously, the guy can be dangerous to any top player but can lose to anyone because he got no return game.

His return and ground game are far better on hardcourt, where the bounce is higher and he has more time to prepare his shots.

On grass, he's pretty much Karlovic with a worse first serve at the moment. He won 17% of points in Fed's second serves, got outplayed off the ground by Querrey...

Roy Emerson
06-29-2012, 04:15 PM
Raonic

allpro
06-29-2012, 04:15 PM
Raonic? Seriously, the guy can be dangerous to any top player but can lose to anyone because he got no return game.

then where are all the early round losses to tomato cans? hc is his best surface so give it some time and we'll re-evaluate after hc season. if there's no improvement in ros by then, then yes, that's a problem.

Time Violation
06-29-2012, 05:06 PM
Not true. Nishikori has the highest ranking of the post Del Potro generation/age group (so guys under 23), he's ranked ahead of his peers (including Raonic) despite his millions of injuries, and has had better Slam performances as well, both in terms of round reached and scalps (beat Tsonga, Cilic and Ferrer at Slams, Nole outside of Slams).

He's definitely the best player under 23 years old at this moment in time, which is quite sad considering has had enough injury setbacks to last an entire career.

Kei's spent over 4 years inside top 100, and doesn't have great physicality, I like him, but I don't think he's going to go much further up than he already did. Besides, Raonic also had injury problems, had a hip surgery last year.

daddy
06-29-2012, 05:11 PM
Yes he is 21. Should we send him to the retirement home? How many other <21 year olds are doing better than Mr.Raonic at the moment?


Say what? He did a lot in 2009. Then he picked up a horrible injury and missed all but the very start of 2010. 2011 he was one of the biggest climbers in the rankings. And he's still only 23



Probably no-one but out of the two Raonic by far. People see him as a future slam winner but he's got a lot to prove. Del Potro? He's been top5 in the world. He's won a slam. He's already a proven top player and has achieved more in his career than most players ever will. Question with him is more: Will he get back to his pre-injury form?

Well done!

nolop
06-29-2012, 05:19 PM
Del Potro of course...he is treated a big force in mens tennis but he only won 1 big tournament in his life(aided by Fed's choking) and has a losing record against every top player.........

Well everyone can benefit from the opponents choking, like Fed at their RG match a couple of weeks ago.

TennisOnWood
06-29-2012, 05:20 PM
Both of them

Proton21
06-29-2012, 10:31 PM
Kei's spent over 4 years inside top 100,

That's not accurate statement. He was inside top 100 for about 7 months, but after his elbow injury in early 2009, he went outside 100 and eventually no ranking in the spring of 2010. He didn't come back to top 100 until late Nov. of 2010. Since he had to start basically from scratch, he's inside top 100 only for a year and a half technically. ;) Please get your facts straight.

born_on_clay
06-29-2012, 10:40 PM
None of them is overrated

Edda
06-29-2012, 11:13 PM
Neither is particularly overrated, which is appropriate. Neither one is especially exciting. I liked Raonic at first but he really hasn't produced spectacular results. Delpo is probably one of the most annoying players I've ever seen. He irked Federer (and me) during the 2009 USO final.

YouCantBeSerious
06-29-2012, 11:46 PM
Neither should of been an option in the polls.

evilmindbulgaria
06-29-2012, 11:49 PM
Neither of them is overrated, IMO. Both of them have great talent, we have seen Delpo win a Slam and only time will tell if Milos can do it too.

Ravel
06-29-2012, 11:58 PM
this thread is overrated. It should have 0 replies.

shiaben
06-30-2012, 12:00 AM
Raonic is just a serve machine. Del Potro at least has a slam to his name.

Mark Lenders
06-30-2012, 12:04 AM
None of them is overrated, really. Del Potro should be ranked in the top 4 and with a shot to win his second Slam within the next 12 months, and Raonic in the top 10 at least, with prospects to improve.

Both great players with big weapons at their disposal. Del Potro is far better at this point in time, but Milos will keep improving and might very well become a legitimate top players at some point.

Chase Visa
06-30-2012, 01:31 AM
Both are somewhat over-rated, I'd say Delpo is more, as most of the Raonic rating seems to be desperation for a young talent.

Topspindoctor
06-30-2012, 01:32 AM
Del Potro is hugely overrated.

Mark Lenders
06-30-2012, 01:38 AM
Both are somewhat over-rated, I'd say Delpo is more, as most of the Raonic rating seems to be desperation for a young talent.

Do you mind explaining this one?

Del Potro is 23, Raonic is 21. They are both young players with their entire careers ahead of them.

Del Potro has already won a Grand Slam, been ranked #4 and returned to the top 10 in a year after suffering career-threatening wrist surgery and enduring surgery. He was already a Slam winner and top 4 player at the age Milos is now.

Raonic has never gone past the 4th round of a Slam or had any great run in a big tournament. Not to mention he's statistically one of the worst returners in the ATP tour.

Yet somehow Del Potro is overrated and Raonic hype can be overlooked due to 'desperation for young talent' (ignoring the fact that Del Potro is pretty young himself).

Moozza
11-20-2012, 11:52 PM
I have made up my mind. It is Raonic and it's not even close.

Freak3yman84
11-20-2012, 11:57 PM
Both

delboy
11-21-2012, 12:19 AM
Delpo is overrated on these boards, I wouldn't say in general. Can't see him winning another slam though, unless the top 4 guys have a really bad day as they are all better than he is. Milos is younger and has achieved little but I wouldn't say overrated as no one really rates him yet anyway.

End da Game
11-21-2012, 12:33 AM
lol at GOATro being overrated :haha:

GOATsol
11-21-2012, 01:22 AM
lol at GOATro being overrated :haha:
This.

Mark Lenders
11-21-2012, 01:31 AM
lol at GOATro being overrated :haha:

Yup, underrated would be more like it.

BauerAlmeida
11-21-2012, 01:32 AM
Delpo will strike again, if not next year in 2014 for sure.

There's no way he doesn't win a slam in the next 2 years.

GOATsol
11-21-2012, 01:35 AM
I love End da Game. :yeah:

Mark Lenders
11-21-2012, 01:37 AM
Delpo will strike again, if not next year in 2014 for sure.

There's no way he doesn't win a slam in the next 2 years.

His wrist and knees, etc... might have something to say about that :sad:

But yeah, if he remains healthy a Slam is almost an inevitability.

Mountaindewslave
11-21-2012, 03:08 AM
how the hell did Raonic win this poll? :0 :o

besides the serve he does nothing better

Cereal Killer
11-21-2012, 03:11 AM
how the hell did Raonic win this poll? :0 :o

besides the serve he does nothing better

The question is who is more overrated, not who is the better player.

Mountaindewslave
11-21-2012, 03:40 AM
Do you mind explaining this one?

Del Potro is 23, Raonic is 21. They are both young players with their entire careers ahead of them.

Del Potro has already won a Grand Slam, been ranked #4 and returned to the top 10 in a year after suffering career-threatening wrist surgery and enduring surgery. He was already a Slam winner and top 4 player at the age Milos is now.

Raonic has never gone past the 4th round of a Slam or had any great run in a big tournament. Not to mention he's statistically one of the worst returners in the ATP tour.

Yet somehow Del Potro is overrated and Raonic hype can be overlooked due to 'desperation for young talent' (ignoring the fact that Del Potro is pretty young himself).

this ^^ great post Mark Lenders. Del Potro has already accomplished leagues and leagues ahead of what Raonic has and did so at what Raonic's current age is. certainly there has been the lapse of Juan the last few seasons with the injury and whatnot but all the same

I do not comprehend how Raonic would get votes, he has no return game like you mention, is awkward moving around the court. the only thing besides the serve that he is particularly good at is rushing the net (due to his height practically soley) and hitting a pretty potent forehand

I'll ask you this::: if you take away Raonic's best tool in tennis, his serve, what's left? nothing! if you take away Del Potro's best tool in tennis, maybe his forehand, what's left? still a decent tennis player with other talented shots/game. that's the big difference

Raonic is overrated. Del Potro is just pretty good

Chase Visa
11-21-2012, 04:24 AM
Looks like I was drinking too much Milos Kool-Aid when voting here.

Johnny Groove
11-21-2012, 04:29 AM
Neither. Both are rated as is. Delpo is a former slam champ coming back from a long injury and just about what he was in 09 when he won a slam, a good chance to win 1 slam in 2013, imo.

Raonic is rated as he is rated. A young star with a big weapon who has the potential for greatness, and came very close many times this year to big upsets, but hasn't quite broken through yet.