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Could Rafa Nadal be the male Navratilova

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2012, 03:59 AM
Rafa could also be a legend on doubles besides being a legend on singles. Do you think he could win grand-slam doubles?

JediFed
03-19-2012, 04:00 AM
No.

Luinir
03-19-2012, 04:00 AM
He wins if he plays. He will not play never. Period.

v-money
03-19-2012, 04:03 AM
Rafa wouldn't play doubles...not after complaining about an overpacked schedule.

SerialKillerToBe
03-19-2012, 04:03 AM
wouldn't have won today had it not been for Lopez

MuzzahLovah
03-19-2012, 04:04 AM
:haha:

Johnny Groove
03-19-2012, 04:05 AM
Rafa will turn into a S/V player by the end of his career.

LisaKoh
03-19-2012, 04:06 AM
Why not? If he still wants to play tennis once he's done with singles then he should. But I think the days of Rafter/Edberg/McEnroe types are over.

v-money
03-19-2012, 04:11 AM
When I saw the thread title I thought it may be about the possibility of Nadal playing until he was 40 years old :lol:

Luinir
03-19-2012, 04:14 AM
Why not? If he still wants to play tennis once he's done with singles then he should. But I think the days of Rafter/Edberg/McEnroe types are over.

it's because today's tennis more harming and schedule is more harder on players. they are already dealing with too much physical pressure with only singles matches. but especially nadal and federer would be great doubles players. murray not bad. djokovic :o

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-19-2012, 04:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clwjHlWJzAA

can watch over and over and over

abraxas21
03-19-2012, 04:30 AM
maybe in the WTA

ModestyB
03-19-2012, 04:31 AM
lol, Martina still has better volleys than 90% of ATP and WTA.

TennisGrandSlam
03-19-2012, 04:47 AM
Federer is a good doubles player in early career, but he seldom plays doubles in GS.

I don't think Nadal will play it in GS.

Kat_YYZ
03-19-2012, 04:52 AM
Rafa could also be a legend on doubles besides being a legend on singles. Do you think he could win grand-slam doubles?

I think he should try it. Why not? He already has a career grand slam and an Olympic gold; it's not like his career is incomplete. He's good enough to win, especially at RG. I say go for it. :yeah:

Haelfix
03-19-2012, 04:52 AM
I do think its pretty cool that the two best singles players of this past decade were also amongst the best doubles players. Rafa and Fed are just murderous in doubles, and can easily challenge the best (eg the Bryan Brothers) with a little practise.

This is quite unlike Pete and Andre, who really looked at doubles as if it was second class.

Here's to hoping that the next generation follows in their footsteps.

finishingmove
03-19-2012, 04:55 AM
When I saw the thread title I thought it may be about the possibility of Nadal playing until he was 40 years old :lol:

i thought it was about rafa's and marc lopez's... partnership.

TennisGrandSlam
03-19-2012, 04:55 AM
Navratilovia's Singles titles (167) is more than J. McEnroe's Singles (77) + Mens' Doubles titles (71) = totally 148 (Most ATP Singles + Doubles titles).

Navratilovia's Singles GS titles (18) is more than J. McEnroe's Singles GS (7) + Mens' Doubles GS titles (9) = totally 16

Arkulari
03-19-2012, 05:05 AM
If he does that, then he can kiss singles goodbye and I don't believe he's ready for that.

Clay Death
03-19-2012, 05:09 AM
wake up smell the coffee.

he cant return well enough and he cant volley.

the answer is no.


next.

Filo V.
03-19-2012, 05:18 AM
Honestly, this question is offensive to Martina.

Pirata.
03-19-2012, 05:35 AM
i thought it was about rafa's and marc lopez's... partnership.

Me too :haha:

Navratilovia's Singles titles (167) is more than J. McEnroe's Singles (77) + Mens' Doubles titles (71) = totally 148 (Most ATP Singles + Doubles titles).

Navratilovia's Singles GS titles (18) is more than J. McEnroe's Singles GS (7) + Mens' Doubles GS titles (9) = totally 16

Honestly, this question is offensive to Martina.

:worship:

Luinir
03-19-2012, 06:22 AM
wake up smell the coffee.

he cant return well enough and he cant volley.

the answer is no.


next.

he can't volley? are you kidding me?

Clay Death
03-19-2012, 06:37 AM
and he cant return serve?

go read his return stats for this year at the atp tennis site. his return stats for this year are the worst of his entire career.

he did not return this poorly since he was 15 years old.

and that is one of the things that is keeping him from winning titles. you cant win if you cant break serve.

and he almost always pushes or guides his volleys. other times he tries those chicken shit drop volleys.

so yes he cant volley.

dont listen to johnny mac when you can listen to me here.

mac is the same clown who said that nadal is a better volleyer than fed. mac is getting old so he cant see all that well.

Arkulari
03-19-2012, 06:44 AM
he can't volley? are you kidding me?

putting away easy balls at the net isn't the same thing as being able to volley.

He's a great player but his net play is laughable.

Luinir
03-19-2012, 06:54 AM
nadal is better volleyer than most of the tour, you don't what you are talking about. and there is not a big gap between him and federer on this area.

yes, his returns are shit this year.

Luinir
03-19-2012, 06:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMnyXNMGJ_8&feature=fvst

example. there are two awesome volleys (especially the second one is just amazing) yes, i know that's just exho and nothing serious but i mean this guy has soft hands at the net and clearly have some ability to make beatiful volleys.

Clay Death
03-19-2012, 07:25 AM
putting away easy balls at the net isn't the same thing as being able to volley.

He's a great player but his net play is laughable.



affirmative.

it is ridiculous actually.

but he wont have my sympathy since he is absolutely hell bent on not improving. he can only pay lip service when reporters push him. he tells them that he wakes up everyday lookiing for ways to improve. total horseshit.

dont blame tony either. nadal just doesnt listen to anybody except his mom.

this should have been fixed years ago: they should have got him some help with his volleys and his slice by bringing in an expert for about 2 months. at $30 million a year they can afford some outside help.

but it is not about the money. it is about nadal wanting to do things his way.

Pirata.
03-19-2012, 07:39 AM
nadal is better volleyer than most of the tour, you don't what you are talking about. and there is not a big gap between him and federer on this area.

:superlol:

Arkulari
03-19-2012, 07:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMnyXNMGJ_8&feature=fvst

example. there are two awesome volleys (especially the second one is just amazing) yes, i know that's just exho and nothing serious but i mean this guy has soft hands at the net and clearly have some ability to make beatiful volleys.

Exho :shrug:

Rafa hits good volleys once in a blue moon and usually those are easy enough not to miss.

nadal is better volleyer than most of the tour, you don't what you are talking about. and there is not a big gap between him and federer on this area.

yes, his returns are shit this year.

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Luinir
03-19-2012, 08:24 AM
federer has more spectacular volleys for sure but he misses more than nadal and sometimes comes to net at the wrong time. nadal doesn't come to net often but when he goes to net, he's very successful and doesn't miss easy volleys as much as federer. federer's volleys are overrated and nadal's volleys are underrated definitely.

Arkulari
03-19-2012, 08:43 AM
Rafa only comes to the net if he really has an easy volley to hit or if he's forced by a dropshot or something, rarely uses it as a tactic.

I haven't seen him hitting a very good half-volley, stop-volley or BH volley; he hits tons of put away volleys, never from the baseline either.

If you want to praise Rafa, do it for the right reasons: amazing mentality, insane defense, great topspin FH... but praising his volleys is like praising his slice :shrug:

Luinir
03-19-2012, 08:53 AM
you are saying nadal's slice = nadal's volleys? i won't argue. okay.

Arkulari
03-19-2012, 08:57 AM
you are saying nadal's slice = nadal's volleys? i won't argue. okay.

the (lack) of quality is the same, neither one is one of his strenghts :shrug:

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2012, 09:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clwjHlWJzAA

can watch over and over and over

Me too. That's part 2. Great tennis quality from Federer, Really what you expect from no1 player in the world and the GOAT in a slam final. :worship:

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:) I like Federer and I don't like when his fans force me to be bad cause I really don't like that but you keep insulting Rafa everywhere in the forum.

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2012, 09:18 AM
If he does that, then he can kiss singles goodbye and I don't believe he's ready for that.

I agree it may be dangerous to his singles career. I just thought it would be sweet to have one doubles grand slam in his career.

Luinir
03-19-2012, 09:18 AM
i love you sweet cleopatra. will you marry me?

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2012, 09:30 AM
i love you sweet cleopatra. will you marry me?

I like friendship more. Everyone can have many friends, marriage should only be when real love happens and when the person is ready to start a family, etc. I am still not ready.

Consider me your friend. I like you too.:hug:

LisaKoh
03-19-2012, 09:39 AM
This is a completely serious non-trolling comment and I can't believe that I am making it in a Nadal thread but here goes.

Nadal's volleys are underrated. He has such good hand-eye coordination that he can execute good volleys at the net, even if his technique is unorthodox. If he is perfectly willing to pursue doubles as an alternative career then all the power to him. He is not in the mold of McEnroe, Edberg and Rafter but he's still quite effective at what he does and he has two MS titles.

If he really wants to make a serious go of it and be a GS champ, he needs to tie up with a doubles specialist rather than his BFF Marc Lopez. Federer did this with Mirnyi when he was making a go of it in doubles and he learned a lot from the Beast of Belarus. He needs a player who compliments his game: somebody taller, harder to get broken and willing to cover the net when Rafa is in retriever mode. Lopez is good but he is not in GOAT contention like Paes, Nestor, Bhupathi, etc.

If he does it, good for him. He looks burnt out right now by all of his play and his scheduling but if he loves the game, why not? Navratilova was/is a machine who NEEDED tennis but Nadal may feel burnt out by the parental pressure. I hope he makes a good run at the doubles in London this year.

Signed, a purported "Nadal" hater who was branded as such because I compared him to Ben Stiller.

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2012, 09:46 AM
and he cant return serve?

go read his return stats for this year at the atp tennis site. his return stats for this year are the worst of his entire career.

he did not return this poorly since he was 15 years old.

and that is one of the things that is keeping him from winning titles. you cant win if you cant break serve.

and he almost always pushes or guides his volleys. other times he tries those chicken shit drop volleys.

so yes he cant volley.

dont listen to johnny mac when you can listen to me here.

mac is the same clown who said that nadal is a better volleyer than fed. mac is getting old so he cant see all that well.

Your negativity is unbearable. I bet you have never played tennis yourself. Rafa hasn't missed slam finals since ages, and won Roland Garros. He needs improvement to win more finals but that's it. There's no need to act like he's playing bad tennis cause this is not true. Especially that clay season is close and Rafa owns clay. Cheer for Rafa in Miami since you're in US instead of this negativity.
Volleys, he plays excellent volleys, not the traditional serve and volley cause he's not that player and playing the classical type nearly vanished but he can volley real good.
The return of serve has been a problem for all players lately cause all players are trying to improve their serves. He needs to train more on it, but again saying that he can't return is a stupid exaggeration.

Time Violation
03-19-2012, 09:50 AM
If he really wants to make a serious go of it and be a GS champ, he needs to tie up with a doubles specialist rather than his BFF Marc Lopez. Federer did this with Mirnyi when he was making a go of it in doubles and he learned a lot from the Beast of Belarus. He needs a player who compliments his game: somebody taller, harder to get broken and willing to cover the net when Rafa is in retriever mode. Lopez is good but he is not in GOAT contention like Paes, Nestor, Bhupathi, etc.

Should tie up with Zimonjic after he dumps Llodra :p No chance he goes after it seriously in a GS though, singles are too important. Maybe in a case he crashes out of singles early, but that's not very likely either.

LisaKoh
03-19-2012, 09:56 AM
Zimonjic and Nadal on a doubles court. :haha: But hey, most good doubles is about apprenticeship.

But hopefully some of the other premiere players who have skills for both would be willing to play. Hewitt has one doubles GS and Federer and he gave Bjorkman and Rafter all that they could handle when they were just tots. It would be good to raise interest in the game although it might eat into the income of the average doubles specialist. (Or conversely, it could boost the prize money)

Navratil
03-19-2012, 10:03 AM
Rafa could also be a legend on doubles besides being a legend on singles. Do you think he could win grand-slam doubles?

I thought this thread was about Rafa being the first openly gay player :D

Timariot
03-19-2012, 10:27 AM
Nadal has good volleys, though he appears better than he actually is because he is very cautious coming in and usually only gets relatively easy volleys. I'd love to see him try chip & charge off second serve sometimes, just for the heck of it. He'd probably win the point simply because other guy would be too shocked to hit a pass.

Navratilova won 31 grand slam titles in doubles. So Rafa has some way to go. I believe Hewitt is only active male GS champion who has also won GS in doubles.

reery
03-19-2012, 01:40 PM
I thought this thread was about winning 9 times at a slam. LOL.

I think Nadal might win 7 or even 8 times at RG. 9 times is pushing it. Even 8 times looks surreal.

And no, he won't win double titles at slams since he won't be playing those.

samanosuke
03-19-2012, 01:43 PM
for somebody who has the best volley on the tour golden doubles slam is nid

Filo V.
03-19-2012, 02:25 PM
Nadal isn't as bad a volleyer as some here say he is but he's also not a good volleyer. A good volleyer uses their volleyes as a tactic in their games to their advantage and does so successfully.........Nadal only goes to the net when he feels certain he can win the point. And around 90% of his volleys are drop-volleys, usually with the BH. I don't think he's particularly good at punching volleys away when forced, I will say he does have good net positioning instincts, though. Playing doubles has made him better at the net than he was when he first came on tour.

Dmitry Verdasco
03-19-2012, 02:27 PM
Well, they have the same arms :tape:

Ash86
03-22-2012, 11:47 PM
Well Rafa definitely has a successful doubles career to fall back on if everything else fails. Him & Granollers took the first set 6-1 vs Karlovic/Cilic - broke 3 times and just over 20 mins. 100% first serve points won; 67% second serve; 67% total points won. :haha:

Now it may all go pear shaped in the next set - and I don't expect him to go deep here in doubles but given that this is the first time I think he's paired up with Granollers since probably juniors (I'm assuming they must have played together when on the junior DC team) it's not a bad start.

Naudio Spanlatine
03-22-2012, 11:48 PM
:spit: :spit: What?

scarecrows
03-23-2012, 12:25 AM
nadal is better volleyer than most of the tour, you don't what you are talking about. and there is not a big gap between him and federer on this area.



OMG!!!

LisaKoh
03-23-2012, 01:24 AM
Rafa Nadal: Doubles Specialist

Hey, it worked for Federer. The path to GOAThood lies in doubles.

Clay Death
03-23-2012, 01:39 AM
nadal is pathetic in doubles at best. dont get carried away.

he plays it from the baseline for one thing. and secondly, it is taking away the critical focus from his singles game.

i used to play doubles exactly the same way and i destroyed a lot of teams damn near single-handedly by blasting my deadly topspin forehands at them. i ran around a lot of backhands and killed them with my forehand alone. my topspin backhand was pretty much money also.

it never helped my doubles game or my singles game one single bit and i knew it. all i did was take care of my serve and then i stood around blasting topspin cyclones which they could not volley.

remember i said that i "stood around". it did not help my serve, my return, or even my baseline game. i could have had better workouts hitting against a wall. so i made a social occasion out of it. i used it to have fun but i did try to win unless i was playing mixed doubles.

it is how you choose to use the doubles so it can help your singles game. if it is not helping you or you go out of your way to make sure it does not help you in singles then it should be left alone. leave it to the doubles specialists.