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sylacauga
03-17-2012, 12:41 AM
Can Fed pull off the win on these slow ass courts? I believe so. Fed in 2.

rinnegan
03-17-2012, 12:54 AM
Nadal leads H2H 18-9

http://www.chicagonow.com/tennis-anyone/files/2011/06/TurkeyTennis.png

Certinfy
03-17-2012, 12:55 AM
Nadal in 2.

Poirot123
03-17-2012, 12:55 AM
I expect Nadal to win again. These courts are as slow as hell. Federer will have to serve like Sampras to win.

GSMnadal
03-17-2012, 12:55 AM
Turkey would be nice, in 2 please

ZaZoo)
03-17-2012, 12:55 AM
Olderer, get ready for thanksgiving day! :aparty: ::dance:

http://www.annapolis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Thanksgiving-300x239.jpg

alter ego
03-17-2012, 12:56 AM
Vamos Roger, make thease nadulltard to eat their own words.

Roamed
03-17-2012, 12:56 AM
Rafa wins easily.

Hoping for Fed though.

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:56 AM
Nadal has been played into form against Nalbandian. Now he will destroy this clown 6-3, 6-1.

cmoss
03-17-2012, 12:57 AM
Fed took sets from him on clay before.

And it's a 3 setter.

Yes,Fed has more chances here than at GS.

EliSter
03-17-2012, 12:58 AM
Nadal to roast a turkey and to get roasted in final

Nidhogg
03-17-2012, 12:58 AM
Too easy for Virus Cougherer. Straight sets demolition on the way. :sport:

Anyone up for a drinking game on this one? One sip of beer every time Nadal steps over the time limit. A full pint straight up for a time violation warning. Guzzle down a full bottle of Jägermeister if he actually gets a point penalty.

Bigselber
03-17-2012, 12:58 AM
The surface makes it almost impossible for Roger, I think Nadal will win 6-4, 6-4. Anyways, go Federer

shiaben
03-17-2012, 12:59 AM
Federer to lay the smackdown 6-3 6-3

chenx15
03-17-2012, 01:00 AM
why do you guys even post threads like this? it just breaks my heart so much. ofcourse rafa will win this. he will basically massacre fed maybe a even a bagel or a bread stick. and after being pushed to the limits by nalbandian like that? perfect mental peaking for rafa. pretty much a djokovic rafa final.

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:00 AM
Noobs jinxing themselves for a butthurt loss tomorrow :superlol:.

Orka_n
03-17-2012, 01:00 AM
Federer has a shot here. He needs to serve well though.

samanosuke
03-17-2012, 01:02 AM
Sickerer vs. pumpito playing in hurricane . really close call

Johnny Groove
03-17-2012, 01:04 AM
Both fangroups have excuses lined up regardless of result.

As it should be :hatoff:

kinski76
03-17-2012, 01:05 AM
On paper Federer should have a pretty good chance against a patchy Nadal with little match practice. Which means Rafa will probably win it in straights. Prove me wrong, Roger.

JediFed
03-17-2012, 01:06 AM
Noobs jinxing themselves for a butthurt loss tomorrow


This.

bad gambler
03-17-2012, 01:07 AM
R. Federer in 2

ossie
03-17-2012, 01:08 AM
i think nadal will play to feds backhand

samanosuke
03-17-2012, 01:10 AM
i think nadal will play to feds backhand

i think he'll switch to S&V this time

Deathless Mortal
03-17-2012, 01:11 AM
i think nadal will play to feds backhand

No wai :eek:

cmoss
03-17-2012, 01:11 AM
C'mon,just try to sneak 2 sets.

Fed will become the biggest mug if he loses again.

Filo V.
03-17-2012, 01:12 AM
Conditions will be damp and windy.

Rafa in straight sets. I wouldn't be surprised if Roger wins, but there is no reason to believe he will.

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:14 AM
i think nadal will play to feds backhand

Wow, I didn't know that :confused:. Thanks so much man, you're the best.

samanosuke
03-17-2012, 01:14 AM
Only good thing in these matches is that every time my pocket gets heavier

Super Djoker
03-17-2012, 01:15 AM
With How the Aussie open went I think this will be tight ! Fed is on a 13 Match winning streak , Nadal wants a chance to end the djokovic run thow ( that,s if Novak gets there ) . I think nadal in 3 !

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-17-2012, 01:20 AM
Rafa should win if he concentrates well the whole match. Fed is serving so well. I say Rafa in 3.

Vamos http://www.wwgym.com/forum/images/smilies/angel.gif

reery
03-17-2012, 01:24 AM
Nadal only reaches finals in Indian Wells in odd years(2007, 2009, 2011).

I vote for Federer. Nadal will be tired after playing for almost 3 hours in the QF.

hipolymer
03-17-2012, 01:24 AM
Nadal in 2. I can't believe Federer is getting 30% of the vote. :facepalm:

FedvsNole
03-17-2012, 01:25 AM
Its not even a question of who will win thats obviously nadal. The only intriguing part is what the score will be and watching fed come out on fire at some point and then painfully squander all these chances.... same story always not even going to watch it this time.

nadal will earn his turkey with a breadstick, bagel, and a partridge and a pear tree.

alter ego
03-17-2012, 01:25 AM
Nadal in 2. I can't believe Federer is getting 30% of the vote. :facepalm:

Be quiet!

Macbrother
03-17-2012, 01:28 AM
Anything other than a comprehensive Nadal victory would be a shocking result.

luie
03-17-2012, 01:30 AM
Fed has to have a first percentage of. 70% + or it. Will be the same story. However Novak will easily take care of nadull in this choking form.

MuzzahLovah
03-17-2012, 01:31 AM
sTUIHK7gHRE

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 01:31 AM
I've made the mistake of having high hopes for Roger far too often by now.
Rafa in three is my guess. Hope it will be a good match! :yeah:

And may the winner of this match also end up being the winner of the tournament. Please.

reery
03-17-2012, 01:32 AM
And may the winner of this match also end up being the winner of the tournament. Please.

That will only happen if the SF winner is Federer.

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 01:32 AM
Rafa will win this but no matter what people say, nothing will erase Roger's accomplishments, NOTHING.

7-6 (after Roger loses the double break advantage) 6-4

SetSampras
03-17-2012, 01:33 AM
Different match, same result. Moonball to the backhand. Rafa in 3

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 01:33 AM
That will only happen if the SF winner is Federer.

I wouldn't be too sure of that.
But then... I've been making the same mistake of having high hopes regarding to any Djoko-Rafa match just the same lately. Silly me. :silly:

ballbasher101
03-17-2012, 01:34 AM
Nadal has a win over Federer in Dubai which is one of the fastest courts in the world. Back then Nadal was still crap on hard courts. Federer has got no chance. I'm tired of this so called rivalry. Federer always gets stuffed. A rivalry is only a rivalry if the result is in doubt. Everyone knows Nadal is going to win.

Slice Winner
03-17-2012, 01:36 AM
Sick Fed on slow HC loses to Rafa who had a good warmup today against Nalby. Either 6-4, 6-3 or 5-7, 6-3, 6-3.

I suggest Fed fans should lower their expectations right now because Fed will not win this. Yes, he will have his chances. Yes, he will choke them. Book it.

I suggest Rafa fans should not get too excited right now, because Raffs will not win the final. Yes, he will have his chances. Yes, he will receive the 8th consecutive beatdown from the Nolercoaster.

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 01:40 AM
Nadal has a win over Federer in Dubai which is one of the fastest courts in the world. Back then Nadal was still crap on hard courts. Federer has got no chance. I'm tired of this so called rivalry. Federer always gets stuffed. A rivalry is only a rivalry if the result is in doubt. Everyone knows Nadal is going to win.

In every surface but indoor and you know Roger wins there. Every time :lol:

luie
03-17-2012, 01:41 AM
Can federer save nadull. From losing 8 times in a row to his main rival age wise . Judging by this match Novak will make light of the moonballer. Because we all know fed doesn't take his chances.

FedvsNole
03-17-2012, 01:41 AM
The only way federer wins is if rafa gets the virus and withdraws from the tournament. Then at least we'll have a fun final between nole and fed where the outcome won't be predermined beforehand but nole would still be the big fave.

Fed will be beaten in 2 sets and then rafa will claim he had the virus but still pushed to the final while losing easily to nole.

Book it.

alter ego
03-17-2012, 01:42 AM
So sick of all these pseudo-Federer fans saying Roger will lose. Man up will you!

AntiTennis
03-17-2012, 01:47 AM
Roger in 3, mark my words!!

Slice Winner
03-17-2012, 01:52 AM
So sick of all these pseudo-Federer fans saying Roger will lose. Man up will you!

No point getting your hopes up to be disappointed again. Fed can beat Raffs. Just not on these courts after a week of illness and missed practices.

However, Federer will know he can win tomorrow. I just wonder what game plan he will bring.

MalwareDie
03-17-2012, 01:53 AM
I am surprised that there is even a poll for this match, and since there is one, that it isn't over 70% in Nadal's favor. This surface plays heavily to Nadal's strengths.

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:54 AM
Anymore than 5 games dropped by Rafa in this match, means he's playing terrible.

SheepleBuster
03-17-2012, 01:58 AM
Nadal will win 6-7 6-2 6-3. I just can't see Federer beating Rafa again. The AO was the last time I picked Roger against Rafa.

juan27
03-17-2012, 02:04 AM
no chance for fed here....

sick and with this courts , it`s impossible,

nadal will moonballing fed`s backhand and run a like horse to return all shots and frustrate roger.

nothing new:rolleyes:

by the way , nadal will be tired for this match against nalby and with roger it`s possible too , he will play doubles final with marc lopez after the semis tomorrow , if nole win against isner i don`t think that he will lose against this nadal , nole by now has the mental advantage and more rested than nadal

cmoss
03-17-2012, 02:09 AM
If he loses,this title will suit him :Mugerer - GMOAT(Greatest Mug Of All Times).

Roamed
03-17-2012, 02:20 AM
Rafa will win this but no matter what people say, nothing will erase Roger's accomplishments, NOTHING.

7-6 (after Roger loses the double break advantage) 6-4

:yeah: This.

GoldwaterBr
03-17-2012, 02:26 AM
Fed - 7-6, 6-1

fivebargate
03-17-2012, 02:39 AM
Nadal is rightful fave obviously....but anyone who thinks that Fed *can't* win this might just look a bit muggy tomorrow...never say never.

You saw again today how slow this court is...and how high Dave was having to take the double hander...so obviously big advantage Nadal...as always on the slow/high courts. However, Federer is serving extremely well this week and getting big spin and smackage on the ball. He will give himself a shout for sure.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-17-2012, 02:43 AM
put every penny u have on a nadal win here

roger, prove us wrong= (you wont.....sadly)

abraxas21
03-17-2012, 02:46 AM
Nadal leads H2H 18-9

http://www.chicagonow.com/tennis-anyone/files/2011/06/TurkeyTennis.png

haha thats kind of funny

piksi
03-17-2012, 02:49 AM
groundhog day tomorrow

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-17-2012, 02:51 AM
the good news is we can all laugh at the nadal fans when nole beats him again

its almost.............almost worth seeing nadal win 2moro just to see nole beat him

ahhhh matchup issues are fun, no?

cmoss
03-17-2012, 02:54 AM
Why didn't he change his coach? Paul Annacone still have no decent tactic for Fed.

He played the same way over and over again.

He can't expect a Sampras-like way anymore,the conditions are far more different from 10 years ago.

LinkMage
03-17-2012, 02:55 AM
Nadull 6-4 6-3 :yawn:

Fedmug will lead 4-0 in the 1st set with double break. He will then get 10 BP opportunities in the 2nd set and net every return. :zzz:

Good thing Nole will save tennis once again.

freeandlonely
03-17-2012, 03:20 AM
The most torture part is that Federer will give us hope during the match
:facepalm:

Pirata.
03-17-2012, 03:22 AM
This result doesn't count, Roger is sick :angel:

kinski76
03-17-2012, 03:35 AM
Rafa will win this but no matter what people say, nothing will erase Roger's accomplishments, NOTHING.

Only complete ignorants would suggest otherwise. But I've been a member of this board since 2007 and have seen worse claims, so I understand your defensiveness.

castle007
03-17-2012, 03:37 AM
Come on Roger!!! Let's win this one :)

cmoss
03-17-2012, 03:44 AM
The most torture part is that Federer will give us hope during the match
:facepalm:

Sometimes he goes into God-mode and then goes straight into Mug-mode...:shrug:

Corey Feldman
03-17-2012, 04:06 AM
going for the Greatest player of all time, the more popular and loved Roger Federer

the 16 time GS champ over 10 time champ

FedvsNole
03-17-2012, 04:06 AM
Colder weather should mean a bit less bounce than on hot days when rafa's ball was exploding off the ground.

Really federer needs to make nadal beat him with his backhand and roger needs to hit his forehand consistently to rafa's backhand and approach on his backhand like 90% of the time and force nadal to pass down the line on the backhand. If he does this and nadal still wins than hats off.

Had he done that in australia he may have won that match. He just cannot be stupid and go to the forehand on big points and come in and get passed and pump up nadal. He really needs to not only serve well but serve mostly to nadal backhand on deuce side and mix in the kick serve out wide on the ad side with serve and volley from time to time. He needs to hold easily as he has to work too hard to hold serve and when he holds serve easy he relaxes and plays better off the ground:



The only way roger wins is if he does following:

1. Serving well meaning 60-65% won't cut it; he needs to serve to nadal's backhand alot on the deuce end and kick serve and volley to nadal's forehand on the ad side from time to time and mix body serves. Bottom line: Needs easy holds to have any chance to break rafa and most likely will have to have multiple breaks a set to actually be sure to win it since nadal breaks back so well.


2. BIG BIG mistake from australia was fed had so much success approaching on the backhand of nadal but he went away from it and went to the forehand and got passed in spectacular fashion. Hopefully his team and fed realize this and THEY MUST go almost exclusively on fed hitting his forehand into approaches to rafa's backhand and cover the cross court volley and force nadal to hit the DTL backhand and make him do it many times. The only time he should go to rafa forehand on purpose is if he down 40-love with rafa serving and is going to lose the game anyways or fed is serving at 40-love and decides to go once to the rafa forehand.

3. Slow court = big topspin and fed must avoid getting too many rafa forehands into fed backhands. He's gotta run around as many as possible or try and redirect the backhand into rafa backhand. He used to only slice backhands and then started doing only backhand drives against nadal but now he has to really mix it up and again run around it to hit a forehand if possible should always be done and directed to rafa backhand. MUST AVOID TOO MUCH RAFA FOREHAND INTO FED BACKHAND. MUST RUN AROUND AND HIT FOREHANDS OR HIT his BACKHAND INTO NADAL BACKHAND.


But we know he won't do all the above or may for parts of the match but oh well. Great run to get to the semi's and defended his points. Thats all he could ask for considering he nearly withdrew.

coonster14
03-17-2012, 04:24 AM
Think: Rafa in 3
Hope: Roger

I'd love to watch a FEDOLE final for once, something different for a change and it would definitely be better to watch than another RAFOLE match!!!

Mystique
03-17-2012, 04:29 AM
I have suffered so many disappointments as far as this match up has gone in the past, getting my hopes high and then watching the same old shit pan out
So I am not going to expect much from Fed today, its been a better run than I expected and I am satisfied with his performance this tourney

SetSampras
03-17-2012, 04:30 AM
Welll Nadal had to fight against a Nalbandian who showed up today. Fed had a walkover vs. Del Potro who left his tennis game at home today.

Still when Fed-Nadal play each other, you can forget how their form was through the tournament thus far, or the level they are on. Its the Moonball to the Backhand and thats all she wrote on slower courts.

Rafa in 3

castle007
03-17-2012, 04:47 AM
Federer's biggest mistake in the AO match was the fact that he kept hitting to Nadal's forehand instead of his backhand, and he got passed every time.

ballbasher101
03-17-2012, 04:55 AM
Welll Nadal had to fight against a Nalbandian who showed up today. Fed had a walkover vs. Del Potro who left his tennis game at home today.

Still when Fed-Nadal play each other, you can forget how their form was through the tournament thus far, or the level they are on. Its the Moonball to the Backhand and thats all she wrote on slower courts.

Rafa in 3


The only place Federer can beat Rafa is indoors. Out doors on any surface Nadal will win for sure. One might argue the only reason Fed beats Nadal indoors at the end of the year is due to Nadal not caring really.

FedvsNole
03-17-2012, 04:57 AM
While it would be lovely to see nole-fed final, Im not delusional. Rafa in 2 easy sets.



Its almost worth it so we can see 8 losses in a row. How many losses in a row before nadal cracks even more mentally and starts losing to other players or loses his "passion" for the game because he cannot beat nole. I say prolly 12 or 13 and if he loses the french open final and the count is 12 or 13 by then it is over for nadal. Nobody playing at this level who's been on top of the game can lose that many times to the same player in finals and be the same player ever again...

Would be ironic to see the strongest mental player become one of the weakest. He already is when playing novak. How long before it spreads to others. He nearly lose to fat dave!

FedvsNole
03-17-2012, 05:02 AM
The only place Federer can beat Rafa is indoors. Out doors on any surface Nadal will win for sure. One might argue the only reason Fed beats Nadal indoors at the end of the year is due to Nadal not caring really.



Nole made nadal lose his passion and not "care" about tennis after what he did to nadal last year. After nole destroys nadal more and takes roland garros away, nadal will be a broken man and will never be the same player again. And his knees will hurt even more.

Nirjhor
03-17-2012, 05:13 AM
Federer will win this time. :)

SetSampras
03-17-2012, 05:18 AM
I still say Rafa's chances of beating Nole are greater then Roger's chances of beating Nadal. Rafa came EXTREMELY close in Australia this year and Nole isn't playing on the same insane level he was last year so he is much more beatable

Evitman
03-17-2012, 05:27 AM
Head says Rafa in 3, heart wants Roger in 2. Hope my heart is right. :)

Argenbrit
03-17-2012, 05:28 AM
Rafa, of course.

Mystique
03-17-2012, 05:29 AM
Head says Rafa in 3, heart wants Roger in 2. Hope my heart is right. :)

Dont start hoping. Let you head rule when it comes to Fedal matchup.
Nadal will moonball Fed's BH to death. It will be no different tomorrow

evilmindbulgaria
03-17-2012, 05:33 AM
Hopefully Rafa in 2. But those who have underestimated the heart of a champion have suffered the consequences before!

hisham70
03-17-2012, 05:38 AM
BORINGGGG..... Fed will loose like always. I'm not gonna watch, it's painful to watch him losing again and again.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 06:07 AM
MOTHER OF ALL TURKEYS ARRIVES TODAY!

stay tuned...

MuzzahLovah
03-17-2012, 06:09 AM
BORINGGGG..... Fed will loose like always. I'm not gonna watch, it's painful to watch him losing again and again.

I don't even like Fed at all and it's painful for me too watch. Especially with Nadal taking so much extra time between points- it's like watching a Fed Mammoth sink into a tar pit.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:10 AM
MOTHER OF ALL TURKEYS ARRIVES TODAY!

stay tuned...

Are you having an orgasm already?

leng jai
03-17-2012, 06:10 AM
Are you having an orgasm already?

I believe the appropriate term is premature ejaculation.

Ajde.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:12 AM
I believe the appropriate term is premature ejaculation.

Ajde.

Thanks for correcting me.

vamos

Adje.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 06:13 AM
Are you having an orgasm already?

that was a gentle reminder, it seems like most people are forgetting the historical importance of this match......grandest turkey of all time...... :haha:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:15 AM
that was a gentle reminder, it seems like most people forgot the historical importance of this match......grandest turkey of all time...... :haha:

a gentle reminder of you being a closet case?

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 06:15 AM
Yes, in a few years time all people would remember about Federer is his h2h against Nadal, same as the first thing that comes to mind for us about Agassi is his h2h to Sampras... :rolleyes:

So yes, he will be Rafa's turkey but it won't make his accomplishments any less valid, it just means Rafa's game is his own personal kryptonite :shrug:

And in a way it's an honor to be Rafa's turkey in the way that he's one of the greatest players of the last times, Roger isn't being turkey-ized by the mug of the week.

leng jai
03-17-2012, 06:16 AM
a gentle reminder of you being a closet case?

Seems a bit excessive considering we've already been reminded about that 9522 times so far.

Ajde.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 06:17 AM
so funny watching "fedal" fans getting pissed only by nadal fans.....

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:17 AM
Seems a bit excessive considering we've already been reminded about that 9522 times so far.

Ajde.

Ah oopsie sorry about that General Achilles Leng Jai.

LisaKoh
03-17-2012, 06:19 AM
What a boring matchup. The conclusion is not even in question, you could take it to the bank every time.

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 06:21 AM
Pissed? :lol:

So Roger will be Rafa's turkey and there's no way around it. What else? will that erase his Slam count? will that make Roger's legend smaller? No.

Things are the way they are but h2h are honestly being given too much importance, great players can have negative h2h against mugs (not this case of course where they are both immense champions) because of particular match-ups.

I don't celebrate or cry about it because in the big picture they don't mean as much as other stats do.

And I don't expect Roger to beat Rafa anywhere than indoors and maybe Cincinnati, so the h2h will probably get even more lopsided due to Roger's age.

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:21 AM
so funny watching "fedal" fans getting pissed only by nadal fans.....

:hug:

leng jai
03-17-2012, 06:23 AM
I prefer the title General Supremus Admiral Infinite Ajde.

Ajde.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 06:24 AM
Pissed? :lol:

So Roger will be Rafa's turkey and there's no way around it. What else? will that erase his Slam count? will that make Roger's legend smaller? No.

Things are the way they are but h2h are honestly being given too much importance, great players can have negative h2h against mugs (not this case of course where they are both immense champions) because of particular match-ups.

I don't celebrate or cry about it because in the big picture they don't mean as much as other stats do.

this one will matter and it's going to be talked like forever.....nadal also has a overwhelming 8-2 in slams, so it's not what you can just brush it off.....

just get ready for the turkey.....

LisaKoh
03-17-2012, 06:24 AM
Pissed? :lol:

So Roger will be Rafa's turkey and there's no way around it. What else? will that erase his Slam count? will that make Roger's legend smaller? No.

Things are the way they are but h2h are honestly being given too much importance, great players can have negative h2h against mugs (not this case of course where they are both immense champions) because of particular match-ups.

I don't celebrate or cry about it because in the big picture they don't mean as much as other stats do.

And I don't expect Roger to beat Rafa anywhere than indoors and maybe Cincinnati, so the h2h will probably get even more lopsided due to Roger's age.

No, I'm really just looking forward to the next installment of Djokovic-Nadal. Now those are GREAT matches.

Corey Feldman
03-17-2012, 06:24 AM
Pissed? :lol:

So Roger will be Rafa's turkey and there's no way around it. What else? will that erase his Slam count? will that make Roger's legend smaller? No.

Things are the way they are but h2h are honestly being given too much importance, great players can have negative h2h against mugs (not this case of course where they are both immense champions) because of particular match-ups.

I don't celebrate or cry about it because in the big picture they don't mean as much as other stats do.

Exactly

and look at it this way, Nadal in the final only means the role is reversed on Sunday when he gets slapped and then we are reminded he is the bitch to his daddy Nole :shrug:

least Fed never lost 8 in a row to anyone..... 8 Finals no less :lol:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:25 AM
I prefer the title General Supremus Admiral Infinite Ajde.

Ajde.

Vamos General Leng Jai Supreme Commander Extraordinaire, please excuse me.

Oh wait.

Ajde

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 06:31 AM
this one will matter and it's going to be talked like forever.....nadal also has a overwhelming 8-2 in slams, so it's not what you can just brush it off.....

just get ready for the turkey.....

it will be talked more NOW because the two of them are the titans of our tennis era but in the big scheme of things it all comes down to GS count and TMC/WTF titles more than h2h stats :shrug:

so yes, Roger will be Rafa's turkey but no one will cry to sleep thinking of that, it happened, move on.

In fact Roger could have avoided many of his clay defeats against Rafa by losing early but he didn't so I'm proud of him because of that and I'm proud of Rafa because without him, Roger would have singlehandedly killed tennis by winning like 6 GS in a row, would have been too boring to see him winning all the big tournaments.

I'm sure if you ask Rafa to choose between a positive h2h to Federer and 5 more GS, he'd choose the latter because that's how it is.

Mystique
03-17-2012, 06:45 AM
it will be talked more NOW because the two of them are the titans of our tennis era but in the big scheme of things it all comes down to GS count and TMC/WTF titles more than h2h stats :shrug:

so yes, Roger will be Rafa's turkey but no one will cry to sleep thinking of that, it happened, move on.

In fact Roger could have avoided many of his clay defeats against Rafa by losing early but he didn't so I'm proud of him because of that and I'm proud of Rafa because without him, Roger would have singlehandedly killed tennis by winning like 6 GS in a row, would have been too boring to see him winning all the big tournaments.

I'm sure if you ask Rafa to choose between a positive h2h to Federer and 5 more GS, he'd choose the latter because that's how it is.

you mean 11 slams in a row...:sad:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:46 AM
it will be talked more NOW because the two of them are the titans of our tennis era but in the big scheme of things it all comes down to GS count and TMC/WTF titles more than h2h stats :shrug:

so yes, Roger will be Rafa's turkey but no one will cry to sleep thinking of that, it happened, move on.

In fact Roger could have avoided many of his clay defeats against Rafa by losing early but he didn't so I'm proud of him because of that and I'm proud of Rafa because without him, Roger would have singlehandedly killed tennis by winning like 6 GS in a row, would have been too boring to see him winning all the big tournaments.

I'm sure if you ask Rafa to choose between a positive h2h to Federer and 5 more GS, he'd choose the latter because that's how it is.

HolyMolyChristOnABurningBreadstick, do I see you Nat here defending yourself against Fail Da Brain?
Wow Nat, you disappoint me. here. :(

:hug: For your attempt. :)

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 06:47 AM
you mean 11 slams in a row...:sad:

Well I didn't want to exaggerate but yeah :lol: I mean you might feel sad about it but too much of a good thing becames boring and ugly, tennis would be as predictable as a fight between Mike Tyson and Karl Lagerfeld :lol:

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 06:48 AM
HolyMolyChirstOnABreadstick, do I see you Nat here defending yourself against Fail Da Brain?
Wow Nat, you disappoint me. here. :(

:hug:

I'm bored and waiting for a simulation to run so what better place to waste time than this? :p

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:50 AM
I'm bored and waiting for a simulation to run so what better place to waste time than this? :p

:lol: good luck with that bot :hug:

tripwires
03-17-2012, 06:53 AM
HolyMolyChristOnABurningBreadstick, do I see you Nat here defending yourself against Fail Da Brain?
Wow Nat, you disappoint me. here. :(

:hug: For your attempt. :)

:superlol: Out of all of SdF's nicknames, this is my favourite. :hearts:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 06:55 AM
:superlol: Out of all of SdF's nicknames, this is my favourite. :hearts:

Sorry, I'm drunk, I just couldn't help myself. It just kinda... happens, you know. :sobbing:

In other words: thankees mate! :D

Mystique
03-17-2012, 06:56 AM
:lol: Indeed. Fail Da Brain. Thats great Karin :yeah:

EDIT: Good lord, I just read the dude's signature....

Marian Vajda to Novak Djokovic, "I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before And THE MAN KEPT COMING AFTER YOU. We don't need such a man in our lives. Let it go. Let it go. Focus on Roland Garros and not on The Man."

:spit::spit:

Sunset of Age
03-17-2012, 07:01 AM
:lol: Indeed. Fail Da Brain. Thats great Karin :yeah:

Too bad I only feel inspired when I've had a few too many. :angel:

Much obliged!
Hope FdB SdG likes it too, but I'm not too sure of that. o_O

And now I'm off, :wavey:, before doing even more damage, haha.

Off. :bolt:

leng jai
03-17-2012, 07:02 AM
Surely Start Da Ajde is the best.

Ajde.

Arkulari
03-17-2012, 07:09 AM
Surely Start Da Ajde is the best.

Ajde.

Stop Da Adje? ('cuz he REALLY wants Rafa to stop losing to Nole)

Julio
03-17-2012, 07:10 AM
R. Federer in 2

:lol:

tripwires
03-17-2012, 07:15 AM
Stop Da Adje? ('cuz he REALLY wants Rafa to stop losing to Nole)

:haha:

I hope Rogi wins. :sad:

samanosuke
03-17-2012, 07:30 AM
Bookmakers did the mistake again. You get almost double on Nadal's win. It isn't time for deluded moments, it's money making time

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 07:44 AM
Too bad I only feel inspired when I've had a few too many. :angel:

Much obliged!
Hope FdB SdG likes it too, but I'm not too sure of that. o_O

And now I'm off, :wavey:, before doing even more damage, haha.

Off. :bolt:

i like connie the bat the best.....

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 07:47 AM
:superlol: Out of all of SdF's nicknames, this is my favourite. :hearts:

haha nadal seems to have left no respite for people like you, stripwires.....you are reduced to console yourself by laughing outside while crying inside unable to stomach the huge turkey that's going to be presented shortly......

:haha: :haha:

LisaKoh
03-17-2012, 07:49 AM
Bookmakers did the mistake again. You get almost double on Nadal's win. It isn't time for deluded moments, it's money making time

Seriously? Which bookies?

tripwires
03-17-2012, 07:51 AM
haha nadal seems to have left no respite for people like you, stripwires.....you are reduced to console yourself by laughing outside while crying inside unable to stomach the huge turkey that's going to be presented shortly......

:haha: :haha:

Stripwires. :hearts: I love it. :inlove:

allpro
03-17-2012, 07:54 AM
when fed feuds with nadal thru the media, it almost always backfires.

an annoyed nadal in straights.

Tennis-Life
03-17-2012, 07:55 AM
Fed will send ass picker to Miami tomorrow 7-6, 6-3 :sport:

JediFed
03-17-2012, 07:57 AM
Are you having an orgasm already?

Second time this year.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 08:01 AM
when fed feuds with nadal thru the media, it almost always backfires.

an annoyed nadal in straights.

it will not be a tennis match.....it will be a humiliation if nadal just starts well and takes the lead.....not even djokovic 2.0 rubs off nadal in a presser.....

samanosuke
03-17-2012, 08:01 AM
you are reduced to console yourself by laughing outside while crying inside unable to stomach the huge turkey that's going to be presented shortly......


i am crying inside and outside when I see you posting . not despair or agony type of tears, just sad type of tears that God didn't give the same chance to all of us

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 08:07 AM
i am crying inside and outside when I see you posting . not despair or agony type of tears, just sad type of tears that God didn't give the same chance to all of us

:haha: god likes only humble hardworkers like nadal.....not egoists who think stepping out of his zone and playing is an insult to his game.....so just take the turkey for now and have it in small amounts......you will get used to it eventually..... :smoke:

FedvsNole
03-17-2012, 08:08 AM
I still say Rafa's chances of beating Nole are greater then Roger's chances of beating Nadal. Rafa came EXTREMELY close in Australia this year and Nole isn't playing on the same insane level he was last year so he is much more beatable

How can you say that. Rafa was killed in all their last 7 finals and only because nole was exhausted from 5 hrs with murray was that australia match even that close. Roger could have easily had a 2-1 slam record in slams last year vs nole 2.0 and lets be honest should have won the last match with match points on serve. No way in hell rafa has a better chance beating nole anywhere than compared to roger. No sane person can say that. Look at their last 7 matches. Nadal is 0-7 and once nole won the first 2 or 3 that were actually close matches it never was a close match again till nole was suffering exhaustion from murray match.


Roger is 1-1 in his last two meetings with nadal.

gaitare
03-17-2012, 08:08 AM
I will ritually cut my wrists on my youtube channel tonight if Nadal wins this.

Allez
03-17-2012, 08:11 AM
It would be the biggest upset of all time if Rogi won this. Nadal will win quite easily.

freeandlonely
03-17-2012, 08:12 AM
:haha: god likes only humble hardworkers like nadal.....not egoists who think stepping out of his zone and playing is an insult to his game.....so just take the turkey for now and have it in small amounts......you will get used to it eventually..... :smoke:

u must mean Satan

freeandlonely
03-17-2012, 08:21 AM
I hope Federer trying something new, for example touching his ass before serve, or a hundred seconds between points
just try any means to make it like an exhibition

Allez
03-17-2012, 08:29 AM
6-0, 6-4 to Nadal

masterclass
03-17-2012, 08:29 AM
I've said it all before, but I'll try to sum it up again for anyone who has not had the opportunity to read.

In a match up between these 2 players:

Slower/higher bouncing playing conditions generally favor Rafael Nadal as it allows him to get to most balls and causes Federer to play higher risk attacking tennis in order to hit winners.

Faster/lower bouncing playing conditions generally favor Roger Federer as it allows his service and attacking game to produce winners without a high degree of risk (he doesn't have hit riskier flatter shots near the lines).

Their last two meetings are indicative of this. Nadal won the 2012 AO semifinal in the slow chilly nightime conditions at Rod Laver in 4 sets where Federer hit risky flat shot unforced errors into the net time and time again, especially as the balls fluffed up, while Federer demolished Nadal at the lower bouncing indoor courts at the WTF, serving well and attacking from inside the baseline making Nadal appear slow and weak.

So the edge has to go with Nadal on the slow playing Indian Wells courts. Federer's confidence in winning 37 out of his last 39 matches and tougher recent matches might help him make it close. But unless Nadal's performance is sub-par and/or Federer's performance is exceptional, Nadal has to always be the favorite to win against Federer at this tournament.

Can there be exceptions? Sure. The margins are not that great between them if one player has an off day and/or the other player is exceptional. Federer came from 2 sets down to beat Nadal in 5 sets at slow Miami 2005 when Nadal was 19 and he beat Nadal on clay twice out of 14 tournaments. Nadal came from behind to beat Federer in 3 sets at a faster Dubai 2006 when Federer made some questionable mental decisions in the last 2 sets on approach shots and volleys allowing Nadal to make excellent passing shots in crucial moments.

The H2H is quite skewed (also in majors) because Federer and Nadal have played many more matches in slower conditions, because generally, Nadal is extremely adept in them, and Federer is still excellent enough vs. everyone else to go deep enough to face Nadal. The most excellent example providing evidence of this is at Roland Garros. The Clay King has an incredible 45-1 match record there, where his only loss was in 2009 to Robin Soderling. Federer has 1 win there in 2009 over Soderling, but 4 finals and 1 semifinal loss to Nadal. So 5 of the 8 H2H major wins for Nadal are at Roland Garros and 2 at the medium-slow Rod Laver.

The reverse is not true. Federer is extremely adept in faster and especially low bouncing conditions, but Nadal is generally not good enough to go deep enough in those conditions to face Federer and thus they have rarely played against each other in those conditions. They've played 4 times in those conditions indoors due primarily due to the forced format of the Year End Championships. At the US Open, Federer has an incredible 61-5 (non-Qualifier) record including 5 consecutive wins, where conditions are generally more suited to him. But Nadal never met Federer there, with a 34-8 record, losing to other adept faster condition players, it has been his poorest major. Nadal's exception in that major was in 2010 where his only top 10 opponent prior to the final was a fellow clay courter, Verdasco. But he also had his best serving performance by far, sailing by Youzhny in 3 sets in the semis, and then defeating Djokovic in the Final who was coming off a grueling come from behind 5 set win over Federer where Djokovic fended off match points to win.

Each one usually defeats the other in their preferred conditions.
It's all in the historical record.

Respectfully,
masterclass

paseo
03-17-2012, 08:36 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, Nadal in 3.

masterclass
03-17-2012, 08:57 AM
If the Saturday weather is as predicted, they won't play until Sunday. It will be interesting to see how the cool weather will affect playing conditions.

But with no major changes in conditions, I think Mr. Nadal in 3, with Federer starting well as usual with confidence to win the first set, but Nadal adjusting and winning the next two; second set close, maybe a tiebreaker to Nadal, and the 3rd set, Nadal in dominant fashion.

Respectfully,
masterclass

cmoss
03-17-2012, 09:00 AM
Paul Annacone simple has no idea.

His game is still the same after many years.Nadal could even predict his every shots.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 09:01 AM
I've said it all before, but I'll try to sum it up again for anyone who has not had the opportunity to read.

In a match up between these 2 players:

Slower/higher bouncing playing conditions generally favor Rafael Nadal as it allows him to get to most balls and causes Federer to play higher risk attacking tennis in order to hit winners.

Faster/lower bouncing playing conditions generally favor Roger Federer as it allows his service and attacking game to produce winners without a high degree of risk (he doesn't have hit riskier flatter shots near the lines).

Their last two meetings are indicative of this. Nadal won the 2012 AO semifinal in the slow chilly nightime conditions at Rod Laver in 4 sets where Federer hit risky flat shot unforced errors into the net time and time again, especially as the balls fluffed up, while Federer demolished Nadal at the lower bouncing indoor courts at the WTF, serving well and attacking from inside the baseline making Nadal appear slow and weak.

So the edge has to go with Nadal on the slow playing Indian Wells courts. Federer's confidence in winning 37 out of his last 39 matches and tougher recent matches might help him make it close. But unless Nadal's performance is sub-par and/or Federer's performance is exceptional, Nadal has to always be the favorite to win against Federer at this tournament.

Can there be exceptions? Sure. The margins are not that great between them if one player has an off day and/or the other player is exceptional. Federer came from 2 sets down to beat Nadal in 5 sets at slow Miami 2005 when Nadal was 19 and he beat Nadal on clay twice out of 14 tournaments. Nadal came from behind to beat Federer in 3 sets at a faster Dubai 2006 when Federer made some questionable mental decisions in the last 2 sets on approach shots and volleys allowing Nadal to make excellent passing shots in crucial moments.

The H2H is quite skewed (also in majors) because Federer and Nadal have played many more matches in slower conditions, because generally, Nadal is extremely adept in them, and Federer is still excellent enough vs. everyone else to go deep enough to face Nadal. The most excellent example providing evidence of this is at Roland Garros. The Clay King has an incredible 45-1 match record there, where his only loss was in 2009 to Robin Soderling. Federer has 1 win there in 2009 over Soderling, but 4 finals and 1 semifinal loss to Nadal. So 5 of the 8 H2H major wins for Nadal are at Roland Garros and 2 at the medium-slow Rod Laver.

The reverse is not true. Federer is extremely adept in faster and especially low bouncing conditions, but Nadal is generally not good enough to go deep enough in those conditions to face Federer and thus they have rarely played against each other in those conditions. They've played 4 times in those conditions indoors due primarily due to the forced format of the Year End Championships. At the US Open, Federer has an incredible 61-5 (non-Qualifier) record including 5 consecutive wins, where conditions are generally more suited to him. But Nadal never met Federer there, with a 34-8 record, losing to other adept faster condition players, it has been his poorest major. Nadal's exception in that major was in 2010 where his only top 10 opponent prior to the final was a fellow clay courter, Verdasco. But he also had his best serving performance by far, sailing by Youzhny in 3 sets in the semis, and then defeating Djokovic in the Final who was coming off a grueling come from behind 5 set win over Federer where Djokovic fended off match points to win.

Each one usually defeats the other in their preferred conditions.
It's all in the historical record.

Respectfully,
masterclass

1. plexicusion is a low bounce surface and medium fast, masterclass.....it played even faster in 2009......nadal can beat fed anywhere and he proved it......

2. london world tour finals is a dead slow surface with low bounce.....not a fast court.....the surface being slower, allows fed time to place his shots with precision and move a tired nadal around.....nadal is just too spent by the time of november for the indoor season......otherwise he would have found a way for indoors as well.....

3. federer would find it even more tougher at us open because those courts have more bounce and nadal's top spin would be jumping off the surface with some speed.....fed will be forced to play attacking tennis almost every game and that is not what something he enjoys.....

as a matter of fact they faced off once on the exact same decoturf in dubai 2006 which nadal took in two comfortable sets after losing the first set ad nadal was just 19 then......so i don't think the problem is surface.....the problem is with fed's attitude to not try something outside his comfort zone......he seems to be incapable of doing that.....

manadrainer
03-17-2012, 09:02 AM
The most torture part is that Federer will give us hope during the match
:facepalm:

This.

Rafa is the heavy favourite on these courts... If Roger serves well he might sneak a set. He'll then proceed to choke every chance he gets and Rafa will moonball him to death.

manadrainer
03-17-2012, 09:30 AM
I've said it all before, but I'll try to sum it up again for anyone who has not had the opportunity to read.

In a match up between these 2 players:

Slower/higher bouncing playing conditions generally favor Rafael Nadal as it allows him to get to most balls and causes Federer to play higher risk attacking tennis in order to hit winners.

Faster/lower bouncing playing conditions generally favor Roger Federer as it allows his service and attacking game to produce winners without a high degree of risk (he doesn't have hit riskier flatter shots near the lines).

Their last two meetings are indicative of this. Nadal won the 2012 AO semifinal in the slow chilly nightime conditions at Rod Laver in 4 sets where Federer hit risky flat shot unforced errors into the net time and time again, especially as the balls fluffed up, while Federer demolished Nadal at the lower bouncing indoor courts at the WTF, serving well and attacking from inside the baseline making Nadal appear slow and weak.

So the edge has to go with Nadal on the slow playing Indian Wells courts. Federer's confidence in winning 37 out of his last 39 matches and tougher recent matches might help him make it close. But unless Nadal's performance is sub-par and/or Federer's performance is exceptional, Nadal has to always be the favorite to win against Federer at this tournament.

Can there be exceptions? Sure. The margins are not that great between them if one player has an off day and/or the other player is exceptional. Federer came from 2 sets down to beat Nadal in 5 sets at slow Miami 2005 when Nadal was 19 and he beat Nadal on clay twice out of 14 tournaments. Nadal came from behind to beat Federer in 3 sets at a faster Dubai 2006 when Federer made some questionable mental decisions in the last 2 sets on approach shots and volleys allowing Nadal to make excellent passing shots in crucial moments.

The H2H is quite skewed (also in majors) because Federer and Nadal have played many more matches in slower conditions, because generally, Nadal is extremely adept in them, and Federer is still excellent enough vs. everyone else to go deep enough to face Nadal. The most excellent example providing evidence of this is at Roland Garros. The Clay King has an incredible 45-1 match record there, where his only loss was in 2009 to Robin Soderling. Federer has 1 win there in 2009 over Soderling, but 4 finals and 1 semifinal loss to Nadal. So 5 of the 8 H2H major wins for Nadal are at Roland Garros and 2 at the medium-slow Rod Laver.

The reverse is not true. Federer is extremely adept in faster and especially low bouncing conditions, but Nadal is generally not good enough to go deep enough in those conditions to face Federer and thus they have rarely played against each other in those conditions. They've played 4 times in those conditions indoors due primarily due to the forced format of the Year End Championships. At the US Open, Federer has an incredible 61-5 (non-Qualifier) record including 5 consecutive wins, where conditions are generally more suited to him. But Nadal never met Federer there, with a 34-8 record, losing to other adept faster condition players, it has been his poorest major. Nadal's exception in that major was in 2010 where his only top 10 opponent prior to the final was a fellow clay courter, Verdasco. But he also had his best serving performance by far, sailing by Youzhny in 3 sets in the semis, and then defeating Djokovic in the Final who was coming off a grueling come from behind 5 set win over Federer where Djokovic fended off match points to win.

Each one usually defeats the other in their preferred conditions.
It's all in the historical record.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Interesting points as usual masterclass. I was noticing that in the first 6 months of the year when conditions are generally slower and higher bouncing (slow HC/clay) H2H is 17-3 in Rafa's favour.

In the last 6 months (faster, lower bouncing courts) the H2H shifts to 6-1 in Fed's favour.

Matchup and surfaces issues.

I know this will be explained by certain Rafa fans just saying that Rafa is too tired at the end of the season etc. etc.

GSMnadal
03-17-2012, 09:34 AM
LYtDkb8wB-0

How this match will look like, do we really need it to be played? Just show a rerun and have a nice turkey dinner with eachother

GOAT in progress
03-17-2012, 09:38 AM
Ajde Rafa. Destroy old complex again and again and again until the final end.

stanch
03-17-2012, 09:47 AM
Nadal in 3, something like 7-6, 4-6, 6-3.

Imperfect Angel
03-17-2012, 09:51 AM
Nadal just owns Fed anywhere but indoors.:lol:

EddieNero
03-17-2012, 09:54 AM
Federer to bend over in 2 tight sets. Easy cash.

masterclass
03-17-2012, 10:05 AM
1. plexicusion is a low bounce surface and medium fast, masterclass.....it played even faster in 2009......nadal can beat fed anywhere and he proved it......

2. london world tour finals is a dead slow surface with low bounce.....not a fast court.....the surface being slower, allows fed time to place his shots with precision and move a tired nadal around.....nadal is just too spent by the time of november for the indoor season......otherwise he would have found a way for indoors as well.....

3. federer would find it even more tougher at us open because those courts have more bounce and nadal's top spin would be jumping off the surface with some speed.....fed will be forced to play attacking tennis almost every game and that is not what something he enjoys.....

as a matter of fact they faced off once on the exact same decoturf in dubai 2006 which nadal took in two comfortable sets after losing the first set ad nadal was just 19 then......so i don't think the problem is surface.....the problem is with fed's attitude to not try something outside his comfort zone......he seems to be incapable of doing that.....

Afternoon general, :)

I respectfully disagree with your #1 analysis. The Plexicushion surface as they have managed it, generally plays medium and is a higher bouncing court than the US Open for example. But it plays faster during a hot day, and plays particular slow in cool nighttime conditions. Also, it's not only the court. You have to watch how the balls fluffed up significantly after 2-3 games there to see how the chosen balls are reacting to the surface.

Generally agree with #2, except for the tiredness part. I don't know about dead slow, but certainly nowhere near fast.

#3 isn't generally true. The US Open has been well acknowledged as the fastest playing major (once Wimbledon slowed down with higher bounces), and the bounces are not generally high there, I would say they are medium bounce, not as low as a standard grass court. Your supposition (since they have never met) flies in the face of reality where Federer won 5 consecutive championships there and Nadal couldn't go deep enough to even have a chance at facing him during that time.

#4 at Dubai is simply one of the rare exceptions to the rule, just as Federer has managed to beat Nadal on clay 2 out of 14 matches and once at slow Miami when Nadal was only 19. In Dubai 2006, Federer easily won the first set, then made some questionable mental decisions on key points when approaching and volleying in the second and third sets that allowed Nadal to make some excellent passing shots, so Federer simply didn't play as well as Nadal there, even though conditions favored him.

But in any event, I hope we can agree to respectfully disagree :)

Respectfully,
masterclass

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-17-2012, 10:12 AM
i dont mind nadal beating rog

i mind him taking 1 minute between points because that is cheating

i mind uncle phony coaching him during matches

GSMnadal
03-17-2012, 10:16 AM
i dont mind nadal beating rog

i mind him taking 1 minute between points because that is cheating

i mind uncle phony coaching him during matches

Well, Toni isn't here so Federer can double bagel Rafa now that the evil genius isn't here to do all of Rafa's work.

cmoss
03-17-2012, 10:27 AM
Uncle Toni will spank him if he loses today.:rolleyes:

zlaja777
03-17-2012, 11:16 AM
Let's go Rogelio!

GOAT = Fed
03-17-2012, 11:29 AM
Ffs I really don't understand these Federer 'fans'. Yes he will more than likely lose to Nadal, but that doesn't mean that he's lost before he's even stepped foot on the court. There's a reason why these guys are champions and we are where we are. In a game of tennis, or any sport for this matter, anything can happen. It will be no miracle if Federer beats Nadal, he's done it before and can do it again.

Tennis champions are champions for one reason; they don't have a defeatist mentality, like the majority of Federer 'fans'.

Shinoj
03-17-2012, 11:34 AM
Is he even Fit, this Federer. 100% Fit Federer loses shamelessly to nadal then what can be said about Viruserer. No Chancerer. Although i am secretly putting a Jinnxerer on Nadal.

Tennis-Life
03-17-2012, 11:58 AM
Ffs I really don't understand these Federer 'fans'. Yes he will more than likely lose to Nadal, but that doesn't mean that he's lost before he's even stepped foot on the court. There's a reason why these guys are champions and we are where we are. In a game of tennis, or any sport for this matter, anything can happen. It will be no miracle if Federer beats Nadal, he's done it before and can do it again.

Tennis champions are champions for one reason; they don't have a defeatist mentality, like the majority of Federer 'fans'.

this, I am looking forward to this match

Deathless Mortal
03-17-2012, 12:03 PM
MTF finally united saying Nadal will win. That can only mean one thing. :devil:

Vida
03-17-2012, 12:09 PM
fed = lamb.

GOAT = Fed
03-17-2012, 12:11 PM
fed = lamb.

Not surprising that when a rational argument is made, people to resort to such remarks on this forums.

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:12 PM
Federer would probably want to lose anyway, because he wants Nadal to lose eventually in the final against Nole....same old shit :shrug:.

Vida
03-17-2012, 12:13 PM
Not surprising that when a rational argument is made, people to resort to such remarks on this forums.

sorry what argument?

GOAT = Fed
03-17-2012, 12:14 PM
sorry what argument?

The fact that this forum has already marked Nadal as a winner before even a ball is played.

Vida
03-17-2012, 12:16 PM
The fact that this forum has already marked Nadal as a winner before even a ball is played.

its coz everybody thinks fed is a choker vs nadal or has a joke BH.

GOAT = Fed
03-17-2012, 12:19 PM
its coz everybody thinks fed is a choker vs nadal or has a joke BH.

Every match you start with a clean slate.

Shinoj
03-17-2012, 12:20 PM
Federer would probably want to lose anyway, because he wants Nadal to lose eventually in the final against Nole....same old shit :shrug:.


Thats some crazy reasoning Bro..... Federer wants Nadal to lose against Djokovic more than Nadal losing against himself.:D

Asadinator
03-17-2012, 12:24 PM
Yeah that argument is for when Fed plays Djokovic in the SF.

Mystique
03-17-2012, 12:26 PM
MTF finally united saying Nadal will win. That can only mean one thing. :devil:

:lol: Fingers crossed certainly :D

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:26 PM
Thats some crazy reasoning Bro..... Federer wants Nadal to lose against Djokovic more than Nadal losing against himself.:D

Well, that's been the trend for almost a year now. Anything else would be a huge upset :shrug:. And I'm quite sure Fed would hardly give a rats ass if he becomes Rafa's turkey. Like he said, H2H's don't matter :shrug:.

Vida
03-17-2012, 12:28 PM
Well, that's been the trend for almost a year now. Anything else would be a huge upset :shrug:. And I'm quite sure Fed would hardly give a rats ass if he becomes Rafa's turkey. Like he said, H2H's don't matter :shrug:.

oh they matter in the big scheme of things. the worse the H2H, the more fed is "owned".

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:29 PM
oh they matter in the big scheme of things. the worse the H2H, the more fed is "owned".

The man himself wouldn't care. Only the butthurt fans :shrug:.

manadrainer
03-17-2012, 12:29 PM
Well, that's been the trend for almost a year now. Anything else would be a huge upset :shrug:. And I'm quite sure Fed would hardly give a rats ass if he becomes Rafa's turkey. Like he said, H2H's don't matter :shrug:.

Also I am quite sure he is not aware of the whole MTF "turkey" thing! :D

Evitman
03-17-2012, 12:31 PM
Federer would probably want to lose anyway, because he wants Nadal to lose eventually in the final against Nole....same old shit :shrug:.

Thanks God, Roger isn't stupid like some of crazy people here with insane thinking mind :facepalm:

Vida
03-17-2012, 12:32 PM
The man himself wouldn't care. Only the butthurt fans :shrug:.

them too. but history books firstly.

comesbackatlast
03-17-2012, 12:32 PM
Also I am quite sure he is not aware of the whole MTF "turkey" thing! :D

Tried to figure it out but couldn't so far. What does it mean? :confused:

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:33 PM
Thanks God, Roger isn't stupid like some of crazy people here with insane thinking mind :facepalm:

Exactly. Only delusional Fedtards would get so worked up and butthurt about it. In the tennis world, no one really gives a shit. You win, you win -- you lose? You lose. Simple.

Sure Fed can be emotionally and physically hurt by losses over the years against Rafa (eg. in the heat of the moment.....overreactions such as crying, making excuses, etc....). But at the end of the day, he knows he's just a tennis player and no one is perfect. He's just going about his business, whether he can beat Rafa (ever again) or not. Mind you, I'd say Fed's not doing too bad for a veteran IMO. Sure it would be better, but with his age, still pretty high standard. Tards should be grateful.

HDW
03-17-2012, 12:34 PM
Hope for a fed win

But Rafa in 2

tripwires
03-17-2012, 12:40 PM
oh they matter in the big scheme of things. the worse the H2H, the more fed is "owned".

Only if your username is Start da Game.

Exactly. Only delusional Fedtards would get so worked up and butthurt about it. In the tennis world, no one really gives a shit. You win, you win -- you lose? You lose. Simple.

Sure Fed can be emotionally and physically hurt by losses over the years against Rafa (eg. in the heat of the moment.....overreactions such as crying, making excuses, etc....). But at the end of the day, he knows he's just a tennis player and no one is perfect. He's just going about his business, whether he can beat Rafa (ever again) or not. Mind you, I'd say Fed's not doing too bad for a veteran IMO. Sure it would be better, but with his age, still pretty high standard. Tards should be grateful.

No my dear, I don't give a shit about the H2H; I couldn't even remember what it was. It's the Nadaltards and the haters who keep bringing it up to diminish Rogi's achievements. I'm super cushy knowing that my player has won 16 grand slams.

Allez
03-17-2012, 12:40 PM
Every match you start with a clean slate.

Much good that has done Rogi in their lopsided H2H. Go back and read Masterclass' analysis of the match up between the two and you may finally get to understand why Roger has already lost this match (barring sickness/injury etc) before the 1st ball is hit. If you think Roger will win it is only because you believe Nadal will either get sick or injured and that is even more bizarre than calling the match based on the said trend analysis :rolleyes:

GSMnadal
03-17-2012, 12:41 PM
Tried to figure it out but couldn't so far. What does it mean? :confused:

10 or more differential in the H2H... if Rafa wins it's 19-9.

In short words: You're someone's bitch

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:47 PM
No my dear, I don't give a shit about the H2H; I couldn't even remember what it was. It's the Nadaltards and the haters who keep bringing it up to diminish Rogi's achievements. I'm super cushy knowing that my player has won 16 grand slams.

I guess that's true too.

Going straight to the point:
If your gonna compare Eras....then think of it this way. Fed was the only one who stood out by a long mile in the years he dominated. If he was really a "shit tennis player who got lucky", then he would be sticking along with mediocre achievers along with the "weak era" players. And don't forget, humans have a pair of slimy round shits called eyes you know. You can see how a particular player's gamestyle works. To demote Fed's playing style is insulting when he can play the way he did in those 2004/05-2007 years.

Now let's look at Rafa. To say he's a hard worker is an understatement. He just so happens to have the perfect game to dismantle Rog. But that doesn't mean he's "exposing the real Fed", it's because Rafa is an excellent player who takes the fight to him with his style of play. Before haters say it's dull, well who cares, it works -- it ain't illegal, creating tactics aren't illegal. To discover an opponents weakness isn't called revealing "the true player", that's called being silly. Dare I say, there are patches where Rafa can struggle against Fed as well -- surprise, surprise. It's why the H2H ain't like 23-0.

I'm not sure what else to say....but let's just show a little more respect to this sport and it's players :rolleyes:.

manadrainer
03-17-2012, 12:49 PM
10 or more differential in the H2H... if Rafa wins it's 19-9.

In short words: You're someone's bitch

Yes exactly. Also 4 or more differential is regarded as "being someone's pigeon". Roger is Rafa's pigeon, if he loses today he'll become Rafa's turkey.

Tried to figure it out but couldn't so far. What does it mean? :confused:

Sticking around here on MTF you'll find that the H2H between Rafa and Fed is the main argument used by Nadaltards to convince people that Fed is not the GOAT/ Rafa is the GOAT. On the other hand there are Fedtards who claim Fed is the GOAT and H2H is meaningless. This debate will probably never end. :yeah:

Vida
03-17-2012, 12:51 PM
10 or more differential in the H2H... if Rafa wins it's 19-9.

In short words: You're someone's bitch

:eek:

nadal to tell fed at the net 'youre my monkey no?'

Jamoz
03-17-2012, 12:54 PM
10 or more differential in the H2H... if Rafa wins it's 19-9.

In short words: You're someone's bitch

It's just Tennis :rolleyes: kid. About the match, Nadal in three sets.

comesbackatlast
03-17-2012, 12:58 PM
10 or more differential in the H2H... if Rafa wins it's 19-9.

In short words: You're someone's bitch



Sticking around here on MTF you'll find that the H2H between Rafa and Fed is the main argument used by Nadaltards to convince people that Fed is not the GOAT/ Rafa is the GOAT. On the other hand there are Fedtards who claim Fed is the GOAT and H2H is meaningless. This debate will probably never end. :yeah:

Thanks folks! :yeah:

But according to this "system" 10-0 is like 31-21! Well, not exactly the same. :)

And why a turkey and a pigeon?

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 12:58 PM
Let's show respect for both these guys for once?? :facepalm:.

Jamoz
03-17-2012, 01:00 PM
Let's show respect for both these guys for once?? :facepalm:.

Yep :yeah:

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:00 PM
H2H definitely shows who is the better player when it comes to doing battle on court. But when it comes to reaching milestones and achievements (which is obviously OUTSIDE of H2H discussions) -- that's a different story altogether. Oh wait lemme guess, bring up the "weak era" shit :rolleyes:. Sick of it, show respect.

Shinoj
03-17-2012, 01:02 PM
Let's show respect for both these guys for once?? :facepalm:.


Respect for one of them. For other its been 7 years................still trying.:rolleyes:

Evitman
03-17-2012, 01:03 PM
Every Nadaltard is talking about a turkey prospect. Good for them, but actually it's quite meaningless.
Anyone remembers not so long ago, Djokovic was Nadal's turkey? And now Djoko is going to pigeon his once turkey master soon. :worship:

Hewitt =Legend
03-17-2012, 01:04 PM
I am really excited to witness this matchup. I wonder what we lucky audience will be treated to this time..?

Ajde..???

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:04 PM
H2H and achievements have their own separate cabinets. They don't intermingle in the long term unless they play each other every week until the day they retire (which is highly unlikely).

leng jai
03-17-2012, 01:06 PM
Backhand frame enthusiasts have been salivating while Start The Ajde has been prematurely ejaculating for the last day.

Ajde.

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:07 PM
Backhand frame enthusiasts have been salivating while Start The Ajde has been prematurely ejaculating for the last day.

Ajde.

This is what we need more of. Humour :yeah:.

Deathless Mortal
03-17-2012, 01:07 PM
I think not even Nadal is as excited as Start da Ejaculation :o

BroTree123
03-17-2012, 01:09 PM
I think not even Nadal is as excited as Start da Ejaculation :o

In general, all tennis player fans are more emotionally attached to the game/results than the player him/herself :shrug:.

I find it quite sad :shrug:.

Deathless Mortal
03-17-2012, 01:11 PM
In general, all tennis player fans are more emotionally attached to the game/results than the player him/herself :shrug:.

I find it quite sad :shrug:.

Not really. Would be sad though.

paseo
03-17-2012, 01:11 PM
:eek:

nadal to tell fed at the net 'youre my monkey no?'

Well, it's very un-sportsmanlike but, I would love to see it happen :D

Orka_n
03-17-2012, 01:31 PM
Funny seeing people posting shit about Fed about to be "humiliated"... Sure Federer loses often to Nadal but he almost always puts up a fight. In RG08 he got humiliated but that was 4 years ago - regardless of how hard Start da Fail clings onto it in his signature. (Nadal on the other hand got humiliated back, as recent as WTF11.)

Federer is serving too well to be crushed here. I expect this to be a close match at the very least.

ossie
03-17-2012, 01:51 PM
no matter how the fedtards try to downplay it, feds pathetic losing record against nadal is going to be a huge shitstain on his career. should have risen up to the occasion and try to find a way to beat him but he thought he was the goat and he paid the price by becoming a laughingstock.

thehotstuff66
03-17-2012, 02:37 PM
no matter how the fedtards try to downplay it, feds pathetic losing record against nadal is going to be a huge shitstain on his career. should have risen up to the occasion and try to find a way to beat him but he thought he was the goat and he paid the price by becoming a laughingstock.


That's just stupid thinking right there. When Fed is in the ITHF(hall of fame) they are not going to be looking at his head to head against Nadal...that's so stupid, it's laughable.

Do they even mention that stuff with Pete Sampras or Andre Agassi, Hell No and they wont mention it for Fed.

Only Nadal and Fed fans care about that crap. Fed has nothing to prove. He got the French, which is the only one he needed. Doesnt matter if he played Nadal or not. He has it. As far as gold medal concerned, he has that too, even if it's doubles, the point is he got it.

As a Fed fan, I only care that he tries his best in each match and that he has the desire to keep on playing. Sure, i want him to win but in the great scheme of things, just continuing to see him play is a joy. No one, not Nadal or Djokovic will accomplish the things that Fed has accomplished and is still accomplishing at his age....When either Nadal or Nole get to 16 grand slams, look me up and they will get their props but until then, Fed is the one that those two have to equal in grandslams before either fan group needs to be talking trash talk.


That's all i have to say about that.

Cat

abraxas21
03-17-2012, 02:46 PM
I am really excited to witness this matchup. I wonder what we lucky audience will be treated to this time..?

Ajde..???

:lol:

fsoica
03-17-2012, 02:55 PM
Tards, guys, fellas....

Federer doesn't need to be the best of all time in order to be the most adored and talented player ever. Let's be honest once and for all: Nadal is a better player overall, much more consistent throughout a match and much more adaptable to his opponents than Federer. So what? I can live with it.

What noone will never take away from Federer is the fact that in JesusFed mode he is untouchable (I don't care about the weeks, slams or other stupid records). That, the fact that he is an artist of the highest possible quality, hurts a lot of Rafa lovers and that's why, even at 18-9 and with Fed closing the age of 31, they still fear the old man. Rafa knows this detail (Fed being the embodiment of tennis itself), and can live with it. Actually he grew up acknowledging this truth and that made him the Rock that he is now.

I give a lot of shit abt their H2H, don't get me wrong, I would have loved it to be the other way around, but I can live like that, knowing that when Fed is flowing he is just untouchable, art of the highest and purest quality to watch. And this doesn't mean that Rafa is not talented. He is one of the most talented players that ever lived to play this hell of a game named tennis. Only that nowadays there are at least 2 players more likeable to watch. And I mean Fed and Nalby.

Even if it comes to, let's say, 30-11 at some point, and with Fed at 34-35 years of age, I am sure that in some God-forsaken day of some God-forsaken tourney that untouchable side of Fed will reveal itself once again and kick the hell out of Rafa's 29-30 years old big behind :)

DrJules
03-17-2012, 03:00 PM
We are reaching the "match-up" stage of the tournament when Nadal beats Federer and Djokovic then beats Nadal.

Nadal achieving a 10 winning differential over Federer and for Djokovic an 8th successive win over Nadal.

luie
03-17-2012, 03:08 PM
Fed to become turkey ,, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Subsequently nadull to suffer a 8 loss in finals against his main rival. It seems in the fedal era , their main rival owns them , some funny shit.

tripwires
03-17-2012, 03:14 PM
I think not even Nadal is as excited as Start da Ejaculation :o

:haha:

You left out the word "premature" somewhere in there.

no matter how the fedtards try to downplay it, feds pathetic losing record against nadal is going to be a huge shitstain on his career. should have risen up to the occasion and try to find a way to beat him but he thought he was the goat and he paid the price by becoming a laughingstock.

Just one word: No.

I don't even know why I bothered replying.

Orka_n
03-17-2012, 03:18 PM
Tards, guys, fellas....

Federer doesn't need to be the best of all time in order to be the most adored and talented player ever. Let's be honest once and for all: Nadal is a better player overall, much more consistent throughout a match and much more adaptable to his opponents than Federer. So what? I can live with it.It depends on how you define "better". Nadal is more consistent, yes. (Although you could argue that in 04-07, Federer was extremely consistent as well, perhaps more so than Nadal.) Nadal may be the more adaptable one as well, but his adaptability is also overrated because his defensive playing style was designed by U. Toni to have as few holes in it as possible to begin with. The homogenization of the courts has also helped Nadal to adapt easier. But I admit that Rafa has made the most of his game and worked harder to make progress than Federer has. That is why I, if pushed, will admit I don't mind him winning 10 slams despite his annoying antics. I can also accept him having a winning record against Roger. My only real problem is his pathetic tards here on MTF.

The rest of your post I agree with.

munZe konZa
03-17-2012, 03:21 PM
That's just stupid thinking right there. When Fed is in the ITHF(hall of fame) they are not going to be looking at his head to head against Nadal...that's so stupid, it's laughable.

Do they even mention that stuff with Pete Sampras or Andre Agassi, Hell No and they wont mention it for Fed.

Only Nadal and Fed fans care about that crap. Fed has nothing to prove. He got the French, which is the only one he needed. Doesnt matter if he played Nadal or not. He has it. As far as gold medal concerned, he has that too, even if it's doubles, the point is he got it.

As a Fed fan, I only care that he tries his best in each match and that he has the desire to keep on playing. Sure, i want him to win but in the great scheme of things, just continuing to see him play is a joy. No one, not Nadal or Djokovic will accomplish the things that Fed has accomplished and is still accomplishing at his age....When either Nadal or Nole get to 16 grand slams, look me up and they will get their props but until then, Fed is the one that those two have to equal in grandslams before either fan group needs to be talking trash talk.


That's all i have to say about that.

Cat

You are a glory hunter and not a fan. Real fan cares about a rivalry and gets excited about it.

luie
03-17-2012, 03:22 PM
no matter how the fedtards try to downplay it, feds pathetic losing record against nadal is going to be a huge shitstain on his career. should have risen up to the occasion and try to find a way to beat him but he thought he was the goat and he paid the price by becoming a laughingstock.

True . It is a stain in his career but it's a price he has to pay .however nadull being owned by his main rival age wise is just as bad maybe even worse for 2 factors
1 nadull n Novak are around the same age .
2 nadull is in his tradition Prime and being own .

born_on_clay
03-17-2012, 03:23 PM
Federer in 3

luie
03-17-2012, 03:27 PM
Nadull is bi. ( he gives it to fed and takes it from nole)

munZe konZa
03-17-2012, 03:32 PM
True . It is a stain in his career but it's a price he has to pay .however nadull being owned by his main rival age wise is just as bad maybe even worse for 2 factors
1 nadull n Novak are around the same age .
2 nadull is in his tradition Prime and being own .

Yes if I may interject, Nadal has dominated Federer his entire career and on every surface. That's something unseen in top 3 rivalries .

Rafa = Fed Killa
03-17-2012, 03:33 PM
Come on SPARTAN make the BalletGirl cry again.

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 03:52 PM
Who is going to win more games, Federer against Nadal or Nadal against Djokovic?

Johnbert
03-17-2012, 03:53 PM
We are reaching the "match-up" stage of the tournament when Nadal beats Federer and Djokovic then beats Nadal.

Nadal achieving a 10 winning differential over Federer and for Djokovic an 8th successive win over Nadal.

this. it's always the same. nadal beats federer and djokovic beats nadal. only unpredictable outcome is federer(murray)-djokovic.

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 03:54 PM
Yes if I may interject, Nadal has dominated Federer his entire career and on every surface. That's something unseen in top 3 rivalries .

No, he has not dominated him on grasscourts or indoor courts.

rinnegan
03-17-2012, 03:59 PM
Facebook poll:

http://i44.tinypic.com/23qxzky.jpg

Nadal - 3846 votes
Federer - 6880 votes

:facepalm:

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 04:01 PM
Federer should play serve volley if the wind is strong, Nadal has been so weak on returns this week.

luie
03-17-2012, 04:02 PM
Yes if I may interject, Nadal has dominated Federer his entire career and on every surface. That's something unseen in top 3 rivalries .

True - fed never Dominated nadull of ever had a winning record against him even though nadull was a teenage when the rivalry started . However tennis is a surface sport .
Nadull is the clay GOAT or top 2 in the open era. So it's logical he would defeat federer.
During A players tradition prime fed was 6-8 against nadull .
And 5-2 off clay so it was respectable on neutral / Feds better surface.
Nadull is still in his Prime and he is 9-1 against Novak in their last 10 matches . So nadull dominate young/ medical issue djokovic. When Novak matured he is owning nadull.

trucul
03-17-2012, 04:04 PM
You can try to pick the right score in THE BIG MATCH thread if you wish (see my signature).

Clay Death
03-17-2012, 04:07 PM
Nadull is bi. ( he gives it to fed and takes it from nole)



let the pathetic and mindless blind hate flow freely. i mean why bother trying to enjoy the sport.

it is clear he has ruined you daily existence because he is all you ever talk about 24/7. he has turned you into a sad, pathetic sore loser who is forever crying "sour grapes."

why not try something different: block him out of your mind and stay away from any thread that has his name on it.

oh wait. that is not going to work either because no matter what kind of a thread it is, you will bring nadal with you.

its hopless.

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 04:12 PM
I always think Federer got a chanse except when he plays Nadal in Monte Carlo, but he will have to have luck on his side. I just hope he doesnt play against Nadal's forehand over and over again when he approaches the net and that he holds serve if he breaks Nadal at 3-3 in any set. Also, bring on Samprasarer today, monster 1st serves and great 2nd serves please.

Dont try to run around Nadal's 2nd serve, Nadal has become so smart with that 2nd serve it is no use anymore calling it a weakness even if it is not a world class 2nd serve. If Nalbandian was unable to attack the Nadal 2nd serve surely Federer wont be able to do it and all the wind wont do any good aswell.

Clay Death
03-17-2012, 04:17 PM
actually the clay warrior served very poorly yesterday. 85-88 mph 2nd serves at the top level are not acceptable.

espeically if you are having problems breaking serve. others can open up their shoulders and really go after that 2nd serve.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 04:18 PM
blind breed are a lost bunch, hercules.....nadal's going to deliver the turkey win today and that's something which they cannot stomach.....it's already showing clear enough.....they are desperate to avoid it but it's inevitable.....

no surprise that even fed has been so bitter about this, hercs.....his endless hypocrisy has been exposed by nadal for everyone to see.....first it was the challenge system, then whining about proposed ranking system and now talking about time wasting and directly taking nadal's name.....his true colours come out when he loses......

this defeat is going to leave fed and the blind breed in such a bad state.....i think they both deserve this......fed for his over the top ego and the blind breed for the blind rafa hating.....

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-17-2012, 04:19 PM
dont worry tard fans

nole will have made nadal his turkey in 2 years time

fun times ahead for tennis

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 04:24 PM
dont worry tard fans

nole will have made nadal his turkey in 2 years time

fun times ahead for tennis

too late for nole, pray for palestine and israel.....it's 16-14 in rafa's favour ad 5-3 at slams in rafa's favour.....he would have done real good if he escapes being rafa's pigeon when they finish their careers.....

nadal has shown tremendous resilience at their previous meeting on djokovic's best surface......so we can expect far better stuff this year.....

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-17-2012, 04:28 PM
STG

they are both mid 20s

they have 30 matches ahead of them

and at this rate nole will win 95% of them

nadal is old news- nole is the future

luie
03-17-2012, 04:28 PM
dont worry tard fans

nole will have made nadal his turkey in 2 years time

fun times ahead for tennis

Novak will enjoy PRIME turkey , while nadull will enjoy OLD turkey. Nadull has no one to blame but himself for getting own at 23-25 years.

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 04:30 PM
It would be good for the game if Federer beats Nadal or Nadal beats Djokovic. It is no good for any era to be this predictable.

Start da Game
03-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Novak will enjoy PRIME turkey , while nadull will enjoy OLD turkey. Nadull has no one to blame but himself for getting own at 23-25 years.

where is the turkey? nole is only 14-16 and he still needs 12 straight wins to make rafa a turkey.....as a matter of FACT, nole was nadal's turkey for a brief period when it was 14-4 to nadal.....

GSMnadal
03-17-2012, 04:33 PM
Novak will enjoy PRIME turkey , while nadull will enjoy OLD turkey. Nadull has no one to blame but himself for getting own at 23-25 years.

About 12 or 13 of Rafa's soon to be 19 wins were over Prime Fed

Clay Death
03-17-2012, 04:33 PM
luie just needs to kick nadal out of his house and be done with him general shanks. he is married to him and it is clearly not a good marriage.

thehotstuff66
03-17-2012, 04:40 PM
blind breed are a lost bunch, hercules.....nadal's going to deliver the turkey win today and that's something which they cannot stomach.....it's already showing clear enough.....they are desperate to avoid it but it's inevitable.....

no surprise that even fed has been so bitter about this, hercs.....his endless hypocrisy has been exposed by nadal for everyone to see.....first it was the challenge system, then whining about proposed ranking system and now talking about time wasting and directly taking nadal's name.....his true colours come out when he loses......

this defeat is going to leave fed and the blind breed in such a bad state.....i think they both deserve this......fed for his over the top ego and the blind breed for the blind rafa hating.....

are you serious? you can not be this hard up over nadal and federer playing. why not just enjoy it when nadal wins(if he wins) instead of bashing fed at every turn...all the hating isnt necessary and makes it hard to wade thru posts trying to find something about good tennis strategy and who others think will win.

No matter how you stack it up, 16 is greater than 10 and when nadal gets to 16, then you have an argument but every player has a player that they up against that they have a losing record to, so it's no big deal except for people such as yourself, who likes to start ISH and you come off so mean spirited...

cat

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 04:40 PM
About 12 or 13 of Rafa's soon to be 19 wins were over Prime Fed

Yeah, but only 2 were on fast surfaces. On the other hand Djokovic also got only 2 against Nadal on clay so far.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
03-17-2012, 04:41 PM
About 12 or 13 of Rafa's soon to be 19 wins were over Prime Fed

mostly on clay

federer didnt start losing to 1 dimension properly untill 2008

it was 6-8 at the end of 2007

tennizen
03-17-2012, 04:43 PM
I will ritually cut my wrists on my youtube channel tonight if Nadal wins this.

My helpful suggestion is to live stream it on tennis alternative.

tennizen
03-17-2012, 04:50 PM
Federer would probably want to lose anyway, because he wants Nadal to lose eventually in the final against Nole....same old shit :shrug:.

Maybe Nadal would want to lose because Fed winning against him will give him the hope that he himself will be able to overturn the losing record against Nole at a later time?

We have to approach this multi-dimensionally. :yeah:

luie
03-17-2012, 04:50 PM
STG

they are both mid 20s

they have 30 matches ahead of them

and at this rate nole will win 95% of them

nadal is old news- nole is the future

It's closer than u think , in their last 10 matches Novak has won 9-1 so if he wins one more it will be 10-1 vs Prime nadull . This has never been the case with past all time greats even federer.

luie
03-17-2012, 04:55 PM
About 12 or 13 of Rafa's soon to be 19 wins were over Prime Fed

Ha ha nadull went on a 5-0 run against fed in 2008 when fed was 27 years .
Fed started losing to his turkeys during that time frame fish n steps(tunder lips) etc. nadull simply took advantage of a declining fed. While Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull starting from 2009 .

Looner
03-17-2012, 05:04 PM
Nadull in 2 :(. Tennis to have another chunk of its life sucked out of it today.

The only thing I'm looking forward to in today's Fedull clash is whether Nadull's game is affected (if Nole wins) knowing his nanny is waiting to spank him in the final.

Ash86
03-17-2012, 05:10 PM
Ha ha nadull went on a 5-0 run against fed in 2008 when fed was 27 years .
Fed started losing to his turkeys during that time frame fish n steps(tunder lips) etc. nadull simply took advantage of a declining fed. While Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull starting from 2009 .

a) It's 8-2 in the last 10 matches, not 9-1
b) Prime Nadal is not 2011 onwards only - his peak is probably summer 2008-early 2009 and as for the prime it's probably 2008 to now with dips in between.
c) Nadal has always had an equal or winning record against Federer - even when he was 17 and even during Fed's 2004-2007 hegemony days. Novak still does not lead the H2H (I'm sure he will get there soon) even having played 30 matches. So to compare the Fedal and Rafole matchups is silly - they've had different dynamics.

Nadal won his US Open final & Olympics semi (in effect the final) against the guy who for him is the worst HC match up -Djokovic. Fed couldn't beat Rafa at the French and (credit to him) capitalised when Rafa wasn't there. Rafa also beat the best on grass, Federer, to get his first Wimbledon. All of this just shows that Nadal has done admirably in both his main rivalries. Losing to Novak so many times (primarily on Hard Courts) is nothing to be ashamed off and he's also won 16 times.

Clay Death
03-17-2012, 05:14 PM
a) It's 8-2 in the last 10 matches, not 9-1
b) Prime Nadal is not 2011 onwards only - his peak is probably summer 2008-early 2009 and as for the prime it's probably 2008 to now with dips in between.
c) Nadal has always had an equal or winning record against Federer - even when he was 17 and even during Fed's 2004-2007 hegemony days. Novak still does not lead the H2H (I'm sure he will get there soon) even having played 30 matches. So to compare the Fedal and Rafole matchups is silly - they've had different dynamics.

Nadal won his US Open final & Olympics semi (in effect the final) against the guy who for him is the worst HC match up -Djokovic. Fed couldn't beat Rafa at the French and (credit to him) capitalised when Rafa wasn't there. Rafa also beat the best on grass, Federer, to get his first Wimbledon. All of this just shows that Nadal has done admirably in both his main rivalries. Losing to Novak so many times (primarily on Hard Courts) is nothing to be ashamed off and he's also won 16 times.

exceptional post by you Ash86.

but why bother explaining all this to luie for he is already married to nadal. and accordingly, he knows everything about nadal.

luie
03-17-2012, 05:15 PM
where is the turkey? nole is only 14-16 and he still needs 12 straight wins to make rafa a turkey.....as a matter of FACT, nole was nadal's turkey for a brief period when it was 14-4 to nadal.....

I was speaking of Prime turkey . Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull from 2009. They are both in their primes 11 months apart . Nadull beat a young Novak with a lot of medical issues once Novak matured its curtains for nadull , despite a 2 day rest he can't be a hapless Novak , similar to fed against nadull . The so called rivalry is headed in one direction , nadull has no wagers to hide.

allpro
03-17-2012, 05:15 PM
there's no shame in getting owned by nadal, or djokovic or federer for that matter. however, historically speaking it does eliminate fed from goat contention as no goat in any individual sport was ever totally dominated by their historic rival. h2h means less to nadal as he remains in the 2nd or 3rd tier of all-time greats and is not a goat contender.

luie
03-17-2012, 05:20 PM
a) It's 8-2 in the last 10 matches, not 9-1
b) Prime Nadal is not 2011 onwards only - his peak is probably summer 2008-early 2009 and as for the prime it's probably 2008 to now with dips in between.
c) Nadal has always had an equal or winning record against Federer - even when he was 17 and even during Fed's 2004-2007 hegemony days. Novak still does not lead the H2H (I'm sure he will get there soon) even having played 30 matches. So to compare the Fedal and Rafole matchups is silly - they've had different dynamics.

Nadal won his US Open final & Olympics semi (in effect the final) against the guy who for him is the worst HC match up -Djokovic. Fed couldn't beat Rafa at the French and (credit to him) capitalised when Rafa wasn't there. Rafa also beat the best on grass, Federer, to get his first Wimbledon. All of this just shows that Nadal has done admirably in both his main rivalries. Losing to Novak so many times (primarily on Hard Courts) is nothing to be ashamed off and he's also won 16 times.

Negative . Nadull took advantage of a weak Novak physically to grind out his wins. Once he matured it was over for the moonballer . Nadull has no where to hide not even clay .Nadull "domination" is clay based.

GSMnadal
03-17-2012, 05:21 PM
I was speaking of Prime turkey . Novak is on a 9-1 run against nadull from 2009. They are both in their primes 11 months apart . Nadull beat a young Novak with a lot of medical issues once Novak matured its curtains for nadull , despite a 2 day rest he can't be a hapless Novak , similar to fed against nadull . The so called rivalry is headed in one direction , nadull has no wagers to hide.

:facepalm:

Just because that's the age gap doesn't mean it's also their prime difference. Nadal was an early bloomer and Djokovic a normal/late bloomer.

And Rafa won USO 2010 and WTF 2010 against Novak

sexybeast
03-17-2012, 05:21 PM
there's no shame in getting owned by nadal, or djokovic or federer for that matter. however, historically speaking it does eliminate fed from goat contention as no goat in any individual sport was ever totally dominated by their historic rival. h2h means less to nadal as he remains in the 2nd or 3rd tier of all-time greats and is not a goat contender.

It is certanly difficult to call Federer the GOAT because of various reasons, but it is difficult to call any tennis player a GOAT, even Laver have some good arguments against him, like beeing dominated by Rosewall and Gonzalea until they turned 30 and also both amateur slams and pro slams are just not comparable to open era slams.

There is no clear GOAT in tennis, but it seems to be between Federer and Laver as other players have even more faults in their resume (Borg and Rosewall closely behind).

Tennis-Life
03-17-2012, 05:23 PM
let the pathetic and mindless blind hate flow freely. i mean why bother trying to enjoy the sport.

it is clear he has ruined you daily existence because he is all you ever talk about 24/7. he has turned you into a sad, pathetic sore loser who is forever crying "sour grapes."

why not try something different: block him out of your mind and stay away from any thread that has his name on it.

oh wait. that is not going to work either because no matter what kind of a thread it is, you will bring nadal with you.

its hopless.

why dont you ask Raferminator the same question?

Clay Death
03-17-2012, 05:27 PM
why dont you ask Raferminator the same question?

because she is hardly here and she is not married to nadal. its luie who is married to nadal.

that said, bring here here and i will be glad to ridiculize (no such word by the way) her.

luie
03-17-2012, 05:30 PM
:facepalm:

Just because that's the age gap doesn't mean it's also their prime difference. Nadal was an early bloomer and Djokovic a normal/late bloomer.

And Rafa won USO 2010 and WTF 2010 against Novak
The age gap is relevant because they are 5 years apart , that's like a whole era. Like Sampras and Agassi it's more age related. As nadull enters his prime fed is way past his, so nadull "tool" advantage of a declining fed the same way , fish/steps/karlovic/Roddick/ Simon/Novak . Etc for pusher simug at the time all were his pigeons. So nadull together with the rest of the tour started beating federer .post 27 years .
In contrast nadull , he has only lost to Novak in quite a while so Novak is taking it him , nadull is not natural king decling. Nadull started losing consistently to novak 23-25

luie
03-17-2012, 05:33 PM
because she is hardly here and she is not married to nadal. its luie who is married to nadal.

that said, bring here here and i will be glad to ridiculize (no such word by the way) her.

Nadull already has a husband and master I am afraid and his name is Novak, there is no place for me. Nadull already has his pink dress and lube for Sunday.