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IW 4R: Simon breadsticks Harrison 7-6(0), 5-7, 6-1

rinnegan
03-15-2012, 02:53 AM
Gillou wasted three MPs in a mini-implosion in the second set but was clearly the better player today. The outcome was never in doubt.

:sport:

BroTree123
03-15-2012, 02:53 AM
:o

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 02:53 AM
:worship:

UsD.AnDreS
03-15-2012, 02:54 AM
Both deserve a place in 'Pushing Hall of Fame', but for me... it was a fascinating contest.

misty1
03-15-2012, 02:55 AM
good win gillou. was afraid after the implosion in the 2nd set but he got it done

leng jai
03-15-2012, 02:56 AM
Pushing overload in this match.

Ajde.

Smoke944
03-15-2012, 02:56 AM
Both deserve a place in 'Pushing Hall of Fame', but for me... it was a fascinating contest.

Harrison was, for perhaps the first time in his life, too aggressive. Should have just hit junk slices down the middle every shot, every point.

emotion
03-15-2012, 02:57 AM
I like Harrison, lovely racquet smash

simplet
03-15-2012, 02:57 AM
Fifth french brain explosion in the tournament, Simon is responsible for two of them but somehow he's still alive. I guess that's the difference between him and the others.

sexybeast
03-15-2012, 02:57 AM
I loved this match, I got mentally tired watching them push, I cant even imagine how tired they both must have felt. Ryan's final mental collapse was predictable but he stood tall longer than I expected him to.

Voo de Mar
03-15-2012, 02:57 AM
Oh man, I know these courts are slow as ass but some rallies were exceptionally long, both players were great in defense, it's a pity Harrison lost his focus after an unnecessary argue with Murphy.

Simon has become a comical specialist of winning matches in which he lost a mp-up set, has already won 8 matches of this type (two this week).

LisaKoh
03-15-2012, 02:58 AM
Yay Simon. :)

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 02:59 AM
Simon displayed Djokovic/Nadal level defense, returning multiple smashes and drop shot is in a single point, never going away or letting his frustration, wearing down an incredibly fit 19 year old. Really great from him. I'm glad he's back.

simplet
03-15-2012, 02:59 AM
Oh man, I know these courts are slow as ass but some rallies were exceptionally long, both players were great in defense, it's a pity Harrison lost his focus after an unnecessary argue with Murphy.

Simon has become a comical specialist of winning matches in which he lost a mp-up set, has already won 8 matches of this type (two this week).

Well that's Simon for you. When he's not coming from behind he just goes full circle. Don't think he understands the concept of a straight line.

Tutu
03-15-2012, 03:01 AM
Bizarre match and Bizarre hug at the net. :lol: Gilles went for a handshake but Ryan just threw himself onto Gilles.

Aside from the choke when serving for the first set and then the match, Simon played pretty well. The usual defending with quite a few forays to the net and injections of pace from the back.

cutesteve22
03-15-2012, 03:02 AM
good for tennis, Gilles should have won in straight

Smoke944
03-15-2012, 03:02 AM
Pushing aside, there were some brilliant rallies and great shotmaking. Simon hit a ~90 MPH forehand on the baseline down breakpoint in the third set and a grueling rally.

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 03:03 AM
Also, Harrison played exceptionally well at times in the second set, I don't really see that so much as a Simon choke, as Harrison with the American crowd behind can go on intense streaks.

I hope there are highlights posted on this match, I missed the hug at the net :sad:

Naudio Spanlatine
03-15-2012, 03:04 AM
:sobbing: :smash: :facepalm:

SapELee
03-15-2012, 03:06 AM
Ryan got frustrated with Simon returning everything so he went into a pushing mode in the second set :spit:, almost work though :hug:. Hopefully, he doesn't have to play him anytime soon, not sure if I can take anymore slugfest like this.

motorhead
03-15-2012, 03:07 AM
Both deserve a place in 'Pushing Hall of Fame', but for me... it was a fascinating contest.
:haha:

allpro
03-15-2012, 03:08 AM
Harrison was, for perhaps the first time in his life, too aggressive. Should have just hit junk slices down the middle every shot, every point.

+1

harrison lost his mind after failing to break and arguing with the umpire.

Smoke944
03-15-2012, 03:10 AM
Bottom line though is Ryan needs to improve his first serve significantly. Hitting 1 ace in the last 2 sets is atrocious for someone with a live arm like he has. Get a few more free points per set and matches like these would be a hell of a lot easier to win.

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 03:11 AM
Harrison was, for perhaps the first time in his life, too aggressive. Should have just hit junk slices down the middle every shot, every point.

I did wonder why he didn't slice more. It seems when Harrison was either too excited or too frustrated he'd try to hit through Simon, which on this court is suicide. Simon just moved faster and reflected the pace.

green25814
03-15-2012, 03:13 AM
What a shitty surface this is

Smoke944
03-15-2012, 03:14 AM
I did wonder why he didn't slice more. It seems when Harrison was either too excited or too frustrated he'd try to hit through Simon, which on this court is suicide. Simon just moved faster and reflected the pace.

Yeah.

benji47
03-15-2012, 03:17 AM
There was NO serve from Harrison in the 3rd set whatsoever. He was trying to hard to be smart about the pushing, forgot how to do the basics...

Mountaindewslave
03-15-2012, 03:22 AM
Gillou wasted three MPs in a mini-implosion in the second set but was clearly the better player today. The outcome was never in doubt.

:sport:

the outcome was never in doubt? are you insane or stupid or just didn't watch the match? Harrison definitely was the one pushing the issue, hitting a bigger and better ball but his temper and poor attitude ruined his chances at the start of the third set, that and some unlikely net chords.

Simon got pretty lucky and the 'breadstick' included a ton of extremely tough fought games. Harrison looked really good at some points in this match, has much more potential than Simon ever did.

nice hug at the end though ahhaha :) :)

rinnegan
03-15-2012, 03:32 AM
the outcome was never in doubt? are you insane or stupid or just didn't watch the match? Harrison definitely was the one pushing the issue, hitting a bigger and better ball but his temper and poor attitude ruined his chances at the start of the third set, that and some unlikely net chords.

Simon got pretty lucky and the 'breadstick' included a ton of extremely tough fought games. Harrison looked really good at some points in this match, has much more potential than Simon ever did.


I saw the match from start to finish. Harrison bottled the big points, crashed in the TB, had crybaby hissy fits, and didn't have a chance against Simon in the rallies. It only went to a third set because Simon's form dipped. In my opinion, Simon was never in danger of losing it.

http://images.wikia.com/icarly/images/0/0e/Oprah-deal-with-it.gif

And I don't care about Harrison allegedly having more potential than Simon ever had. It's easy to be hyped up as the next big thing when you're the only young American who isn't playing like shit.

Smoke944
03-15-2012, 03:34 AM
I saw the match from start to finish. Harrison bottled the big points, crashed in the TB, had crybaby hissy fits, and didn't have a chance against Simon in the rallies. It only went to a third set because Simon's form dipped. In my opinion, Simon was never in danger of losing it.

http://images.wikia.com/icarly/images/0/0e/Oprah-deal-with-it.gif

And I don't care about Harrison allegedly having more potential than Simon ever had. It's easy to be hyped up as the next big thing when you're the only young American who isn't playing like shit.

:lol: No to basically everything in this post

benji47
03-15-2012, 03:35 AM
I saw the match from start to finish. Harrison bottled the big points, crashed in the TB, had crybaby hissy fits, and didn't have a chance against Simon in the rallies. It only went to a third set because Simon's form dipped. In my opinion, Simon was never in danger of losing it.

http://images.wikia.com/icarly/images/0/0e/Oprah-deal-with-it.gif

And I don't care about Harrison allegedly having more potential than Simon ever had. It's easy to be hyped up as the next big thing when you're the only young American who isn't playing like shit.


http://fourfour.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b8c369e20120a573645c970b-800wi

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 03:38 AM
Why can't we be Happy that Ryan had a good run, defended his points, and Simon is refinding his form after a horrible slump?

Mountaindewslave
03-15-2012, 03:44 AM
I saw the match from start to finish. Harrison bottled the big points, crashed in the TB, had crybaby hissy fits, and didn't have a chance against Simon in the rallies. It only went to a third set because Simon's form dipped. In my opinion, Simon was never in danger of losing it.

http://images.wikia.com/icarly/images/0/0e/Oprah-deal-with-it.gif

And I don't care about Harrison allegedly having more potential than Simon ever had. It's easy to be hyped up as the next big thing when you're the only young American who isn't playing like shit.

Besides Harrison imploding in the third set (which still had many close games in the early stages), he definitely dominated many of the rallies in the first few sets. Harrison was determining how the rallies went, but Simon did a great job at retrieving/retrieving/retrieving, i had forgotten how much energy the guy has

Stronga23
03-15-2012, 03:45 AM
Why can't we be Happy that Ryan had a good run, defended his points, and Simon is refinding his form after a horrible slump?

Because hardly anybody on MTF likes him. :sad:. The only Frenchmen I dont like is Gasquet and I am sure the only one you dont like is Monfils.

benji47
03-15-2012, 03:47 AM
I like Simon, I just don't want the other players I like to ever play him....

Stronga23
03-15-2012, 03:48 AM
I like Simon, I just don't want the other players I like to ever play him....

Haha good point Gilles is a tactical genius just knows what he wants to do and usually is pretty successful at it.

Mountaindewslave
03-15-2012, 03:49 AM
I like Simon, I just don't want the other players I like to ever play him....

he's a really nice guy with a lot of class and it would be nice to see him getting back up in the rankings. I feel like he works really hard to compensate a bit for the size/power hole in his game

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 03:49 AM
Because hardly anybody on MTF likes him. :sad:. The only Frenchmen I dont like is Gasquet and I am sure the only one you dont like is Monfils.

I like Monfils. I just also like making fun of him. Tsonga and Gasquet can be really hard to root for when they implode spectaculary. Simon however is the little engine who could. :D

benji47
03-15-2012, 03:53 AM
I ballkided him once a long long time ago when he was a nobody, he was a nice guy indeed...

LisaKoh
03-15-2012, 03:56 AM
Aw. Nice to hear that about Gilles benji. He seems like a good guy. I like the fact that he's finding his form at the moment, although he should have ended this match sooner.

SelvenluvJo
03-15-2012, 04:10 AM
Ryan:tears: just no more gas left in the end.
Gillies good luck next round.

jcempire
03-15-2012, 04:11 AM
bad lost again by Harrison

Mongoose
03-15-2012, 04:13 AM
Bizarre match and Bizarre hug at the net. :lol: Gilles went for a handshake but Ryan just threw himself onto Gilles.

i LOLed at this post :lol: but so true too

Mongoose
03-15-2012, 04:15 AM
:lol: No to basically everything in this post

no, no to EVERYTHING in that post

Gusztav
03-15-2012, 04:29 AM
Great fight from the bulge master. :hatoff:

Simon is a lightweight guy with a big heart and clear conception of what he can and must do in order to win and that's good enough for me.
Compared to him and in spite of all the presumed talent, flair, speed, strength, results and whatnot, the rest of the mousquetaires are a bunch of bluffs and chokers.

Good showing from Harrison as well... will have to try harder and keep his nerves in check though, he's too tightly strung and that hurts his game more than it helps.

Nole Rules
03-15-2012, 04:48 AM
Simon is really underrated player on MTF. Really happy to see him back. Congrats to his loyal fans.

DanaKz
03-15-2012, 04:54 AM
I need video with hug!

VolandriFan
03-15-2012, 05:11 AM
A bagel in the first set TB, and a breadstick in the third. :hearts:

FlameOn
03-15-2012, 05:46 AM
Allez Gilles! :bounce:

Clay Death
03-15-2012, 05:47 AM
dr isner says that the buck stop here. he says enough with this bullshit already.

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 05:48 AM
I need video with hug!

Seriously!!! :hearts:

brithater
03-15-2012, 05:56 AM
Harrison has some growing up to do. He should have won this match. Great match for Simon. Real veteran stuff.

henke007
03-15-2012, 09:19 AM
sad day for tennis.

BroTree123
03-15-2012, 09:23 AM
^^
Yes, tennis died but I don't give a shit anymore.

BEBE91
03-15-2012, 11:02 AM
Simo just never gets tired from running

sammy01
03-15-2012, 12:37 PM
patches of this match had gilles back at his best. from *5-6 15-40 he won 16 straight points and 24 of 26 points. that is what gilles does best give away no points at all. his problem this year has been throwing in silly errors and games. his forehand looked a lot better today.

he is still lacking confidence (this week he has failed to serve out a set or match 4 times now :help:) but his fight takes over and wills him over the line in the end.

i like ryan but he has some serious growing up to do. his defense is clijsters like with the splits and being strong but agile.

all in all i'd have snapped your hand off from simon to make qtrs this week, but now he is there and it is isner not say murray or djokovic in his path cant help but feel like this is a chance at some big points for making a semi final.

madmax
03-15-2012, 01:08 PM
this must have been a nice pushing extravaganza between the two...

BlueLighthouse
03-15-2012, 03:32 PM
Well that's Simon for you. When he's not coming from behind he just goes full circle. Don't think he understands the concept of a straight line.


Best description ever! :worship:

Fumus
03-15-2012, 04:34 PM
LOL at this match...even more at the thread title. MTF is full of some of the least knowledgeable yet most vocal fans of any sport that I've seen. Those who think this match was NID for Simon must have been high or just blind. Simple Simon got blasted all over the court, yanked from side to side. He didn't choke 3 MP away, Harrison took them from him. It looked like a heavy weight versus a feather weight out there...the only difference was the additional 5 years experience that Simon has on tour.

Harrison def. Harrison (Simon was there too).

Ryan needs to learn that if you have someone backed up and far off the court, that the way to finish the point is not by rolling the ball to the other side of the court to setup another massive forehand...it's by hitting a sensible approach shot and ending the rally by moving forward.

It's surprising that considering how good Ryan was at net in this match he didn't get the hint and do more of this. He seemed content to play 40 shot rallies and let Simon error...that's the strategical equivalent of Federer trying to beat Nadal with his backand hitting balls way over his head. Even though, I must say to his credit Harrison is fast enough and good enough on defense that he did have quite a bit of success with this strategy.

For the blind Gilles fans, I will say he does have a way, almost reminiscent of Schuettler(MTF members like the OP with a join date after 2007 should google him) where he puts the opposition into a sleeper hold. Every ball he hits is at the same monotonously slow pace....eventually his opponents will stop playing aggressively sensing there is no danger and then WHAM! Forehand winner or etc.

Guarantee when Ryan Harrison gains more confidence in his offensive game, specifically finishing the point...guys like Simon will not trouble him. Good learning experience for him though, hope he watches the tape and learns.

sammy01
03-15-2012, 04:56 PM
LOL at this match...even more at the thread title. MTF is full of some of the least knowledgeable yet most vocal fans of any sport that I've seen. Those who think this match was NID for Simon must have been high or just blind. Simple Simon got blasted all over the court, yanked from side to side. He didn't choke 3 MP away, Harrison took them from him. It looked like a heavy weight versus a feather weight out there...the only difference was the additional 5 years experience that Simon has on tour.

Harrison def. Harrison (Simon was there too).

Ryan needs to learn that if you have someone backed up and far off the court, that the way to finish the point is not by rolling the ball to the other side of the court to setup another massive forehand...it's by hitting a sensible approach shot and ending the rally by moving forward.

It's surprising that considering how good Ryan was at net in this match he didn't get the hint and do more of this. He seemed content to play 40 shot rallies and let Simon error...that's the strategical equivalent of Federer trying to beat Nadal with his backand hitting balls way over his head. Even though, I must say to his credit Harrison is fast enough and good enough on defense that he did have quite a bit of success with this strategy.

For the blind Gilles fans, I will say he does have a way, almost reminiscent of Schuettler(MTF members like the OP with a join date after 2007 should google him) where he puts the opposition into a sleeper hold. Every ball he hits is at the same monotonously slow pace....eventually his opponents will stop playing aggressively sensing there is no danger and then WHAM! Forehand winner or etc.

Guarantee when Ryan Harrison gains more confidence in his offensive game, specifically finishing the point...guys like Simon will not trouble him. Good learning experience for him though, hope he watches the tape and learns.


whilst i agree this match was no gimmie for simon, he missed a smash and didn't put away an easy volley on 2 of the MP's, that is not harrison 'taking them from him'

stopped reading after that as can already tell you are just as biased against simon as the fans are for him you will be ranting about :wavey:

benji47
03-15-2012, 05:55 PM
whilst i agree this match was no gimmie for simon, he missed a smash and didn't put away an easy volley on 2 of the MP's, that is not harrison 'taking them from him'

stopped reading after that as can already tell you are just as biased against simon as the fans are for him you will be ranting about :wavey:

Oh please, he almost backed up to the base line and then smashed, it was NOT an easy smash. Harrison gave Simon a good lob, the only reason Simon even tried to smash was because he knew that lob would land in perfectly inside of the base line.

Lestat
03-15-2012, 06:07 PM
after being ***** by berlocq in buenos aires I thought simon should retire from tennis

Fumus
03-15-2012, 06:15 PM
whilst i agree this match was no gimmie for simon, he missed a smash and didn't put away an easy volley on 2 of the MP's, that is not harrison 'taking them from him'

stopped reading after that as can already tell you are just as biased against simon as the fans are for him you will be ranting about :wavey:

Godbless catchup on Tennistv...I went back and watched the game in question. The points you speak of didn't happen. Maybe you were thinking of when Ryan broke Simon when he was serving for the first set?

0-15: Simon goes for a forehand winner, misses wide...wastes a challenge
15-15: Unreturned Serve
30-15: Simon hits a smash for a winner
40-15: Simon vollies into the open court for a winner
40-30 MP: Harrison charges the net hits and hits a drop volley winner
Deuce MP: Harrison hits a forehand winner
Advantage: Harrison hits a strong forehand and charges the net forces the error
Break: Harrison forces error from Simon after another big forehand

You may finish reading my orginal post now.

MuzzahLovah
03-15-2012, 06:22 PM
LOL at this match...even more at the thread title. MTF is full of some of the least knowledgeable yet most vocal fans of any sport that I've seen. Those who think this match was NID for Simon must have been high or just blind. Simple Simon got blasted all over the court, yanked from side to side. He didn't choke 3 MP away, Harrison took them from him. It looked like a heavy weight versus a feather weight out there...the only difference was the additional 5 years experience that Simon has on tour.

Harrison def. Harrison (Simon was there too).

Ryan needs to learn that if you have someone backed up and far off the court, that the way to finish the point is not by rolling the ball to the other side of the court to setup another massive forehand...it's by hitting a sensible approach shot and ending the rally by moving forward.

It's surprising that considering how good Ryan was at net in this match he didn't get the hint and do more of this. He seemed content to play 40 shot rallies and let Simon error...that's the strategical equivalent of Federer trying to beat Nadal with his backand hitting balls way over his head. Even though, I must say to his credit Harrison is fast enough and good enough on defense that he did have quite a bit of success with this strategy.

For the blind Gilles fans, I will say he does have a way, almost reminiscent of Schuettler(MTF members like the OP with a join date after 2007 should google him) where he puts the opposition into a sleeper hold. Every ball he hits is at the same monotonously slow pace....eventually his opponents will stop playing aggressively sensing there is no danger and then WHAM! Forehand winner or etc.

Guarantee when Ryan Harrison gains more confidence in his offensive game, specifically finishing the point...guys like Simon will not trouble him. Good learning experience for him though, hope he watches the tape and learns.

Apparently you missed all the times that Ryan did move forward and Simon passed him. It's very hard to put away volley or make a good approach shot on a very slow hard court against Simon of all people. Simon passed him when he was at the net more often than not. Ryan lost when he stopped being patient and tried to end the point too quickly, not the other way around.

sammy01
03-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Godbless catchup on Tennistv...I went back and watched the game in question. The points you speak of didn't happen. Maybe you were thinking of when Ryan broke Simon when he was serving for the first set?

0-15: Simon goes for a forehand winner, misses wide...wastes a challenge
15-15: Unreturned Serve
30-15: Simon hits a smash for a winner
40-15: Simon vollies into the open court for a winner
40-30 MP: Harrison charges the net hits and hits a drop volley winner
Deuce MP: Harrison hits a forehand winner
Advantage: Harrison hits a strong forehand and charges the net forces the error
Break: Harrison forces error from Simon after another big forehand

You may finish reading my orginal post now.

the 1st match point on harrison's serve simon had a volley and smash on, neither simon put away :wavey:

Fumus
03-15-2012, 06:43 PM
Apparently you missed all the times that Ryan did move forward and Simon passed him. It's very hard to put away volley or make a good approach shot on a very slow hard court against Simon of all people. Simon passed him when he was at the net more often than not. Ryan lost when he stopped being patient and tried to end the point too quickly, not the other way around.

Again, OK - I can watch the match and get all the stats from Tennistv. So why would you make a statement like this when I can go and look up all the numbers?

5/8 - 1st Set
11/12 - 2nd Set
6/10 - Third Set

So for the match Harrison was 22/30 at the net...are you kidding me? That's about 3/4 of the time he came to the net he won.

But you're right he lost when he when he wasn't patient and went to net and got passed not even 1/3 of the time. LOL

I'm glad you aren't my coach or my math teach for that matter. :D

Fumus
03-15-2012, 06:48 PM
the 1st match point on harrison's serve simon had a volley and smash on, neither simon put away :wavey:

I didn't see that the first time around...upon re watching however I did see what you were talking about but I will remind you he did come up with an ace and a rocket forehand winner at deuce to win that game.

Certianly he won that set more than Gilles lost it.

Let me know when you finish your response to my first post. ;)

Ravel
03-15-2012, 07:38 PM
Liking this result!

sammy01
03-15-2012, 07:57 PM
I didn't see that the first time around...upon re watching however I did see what you were talking about but I will remind you he did come up with an ace and a rocket forehand winner at deuce to win that game.

Certianly he won that set more than Gilles lost it.

Let me know when you finish your response to my first post. ;)

so that mp did harrison bring it? no. if simon had put away that smash or volley he would have had a 7-6, 6-2 win.

so all your talk about harrison winning more than gilles lost it is here nor there. gilles won 16 straight points and 24 of 26 points at a certain stage, harrison is just lucky gilles confidence is rock bottom right now, as gilles also served for the 1st set at 5-4.

gilles also served for the match against sela at 5-3 2nd set and at 5-2 second set against stan and both times was broken. what harrison did was not some super human effort, it is gilles head getting in the way of closing out matches, as has been shown by him failing to serve out for sets/matches 4 times already this week.

had simon been confident and trusting himself he would have had a decent straight sets win both against harrison and sela.

mike s.
03-15-2012, 08:57 PM
The thing that frustrates me is that there are so many people that assume Gilles doesn't have control over any of his matches just because he has a more defensive style of play. He's a unique type of player that feels more in control of his shots when he's on the run and absorbing pace. Just because he's the "defensive" player at times during the rally doesn't mean he isn't thinking strategically or that he doesn't have control over the ultimate outcome of the point. Obviously this isn't always the case in his matches, but against Harrison I never sensed that he was under much pressure despite Harrison being the aggressor during much of the rallies. I can almost guarantee Gilles thought he was in complete control of that match.

samanosuke
03-15-2012, 10:04 PM
shame for Harrison . Playing Isner could have been some kind of breakthrough

Fumus
03-15-2012, 10:18 PM
so that mp did harrison bring it? no. if simon had put away that smash or volley he would have had a 7-6, 6-2 win.

so all your talk about harrison winning more than gilles lost it is here nor there. gilles won 16 straight points and 24 of 26 points at a certain stage, harrison is just lucky gilles confidence is rock bottom right now, as gilles also served for the 1st set at 5-4.

gilles also served for the match against sela at 5-3 2nd set and at 5-2 second set against stan and both times was broken. what harrison did was not some super human effort, it is gilles head getting in the way of closing out matches, as has been shown by him failing to serve out for sets/matches 4 times already this week.

had simon been confident and trusting himself he would have had a decent straight sets win both against harrison and sela.

huh? Yea - right I just went back and wrote out what happened point by point when Gilles served for the match and got broken. It was taken from him, he did just choke it away. So of the 3 MPs he had, he choked on one and got PWNed on the others. Thus I was 2/3 correct and you were 1/3 correct. Making me more right and you more wrong. Please accept that and then read the rest of my first post. :D

Also, let me put this in a way you'll understand and end this argument forever Harrison >>>> Simon. ;)

Henry Chinaski
03-15-2012, 10:23 PM
Has nobody mentioned Harrison's fitness yet?

It's pathetic and he's going nowhere til it improves dramatically.

Hope he's not going to be a Mardy Fish type who waits til he's 28 before he does something about it.

Smoke944
03-15-2012, 10:24 PM
Has nobody mentioned Harrison's fitness yet?

It's pathetic and he's going nowhere til it improves dramatically.

Hope he's not going to be a Mardy Fish type who waits til he's 28 before he does something about it.

To be frank, you couldn't be more wrong.

Fumus
03-15-2012, 10:28 PM
To be frank, you couldn't be more wrong.

Agree, that was a very physical match last night and I don't ever think fitness was a question. A 19 y/o Ryan is 100000000 times the player that Fish was at the time (not just fitness)...also, Harrison is ripped and psychically quite well build, something Fish will never be.

Henry Chinaski
03-15-2012, 10:46 PM
losing a third set 6-1 doesn't say a lot for a player's fitness.

And he was out on his feet after 2 hours against Ginepri a few weeks ago. Hit 2 drop shots and a baseline smash into the bottom of the net in his final service game but held on with some clutch serving before Robby imploded.

I'm not convinced.

fast_clay
03-15-2012, 11:20 PM
losing a third set 6-1 doesn't say a lot for a player's fitness.

And he was out on his feet after 2 hours against Ginepri a few weeks ago. Hit 2 drop shots and a baseline smash into the bottom of the net in his final service game but held on with some clutch serving before Robby imploded.

I'm not convinced.

Harrison got taken to Gilleville... i largely credit Simon's brutal and epic win over Nadal at Madrid Indoors 2008 to Nadal's painful 2009 season... Nadal got aged by 2 years an 3 months in that visit to Gilleville and Rafa did not recover physically or mentally until early 2010...

it should also be said that it crushed Simon too...

Roddickominator
03-15-2012, 11:50 PM
Simon looked like he wanted to die early in the 3rd set when Harrison was just pushing along with him. I think Ryan's young legs could have outlasted Simon if he had more patience....but he just got totally frustrated by the end of it.

Ryan either needed to go into full-on attack mode, or full-on push mode. But he always stayed somewhere in-between where Simon would just get every single ball back and Ryan would be wondering what the hell to do.

Fumus
03-16-2012, 10:22 AM
losing a third set 6-1 doesn't say a lot for a player's fitness.

And he was out on his feet after 2 hours against Ginepri a few weeks ago. Hit 2 drop shots and a baseline smash into the bottom of the net in his final service game but held on with some clutch serving before Robby imploded.

I'm not convinced.

It's cool that you make all these assumptions without actually watching a match. While I agree that Ryan could get fitter (and he will he's only 19 years old) the reason he lost this match was due to letting his emotions getting the better of him and playing some really poor tactics in the latter stages of the match.

Be convinced...Ryan is the FOAT.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2012, 01:12 PM
the reason he lost this match was due to letting his emotions getting the better of him and playing some really poor tactics in the latter stages of the match.

I agree, he lost all drop-shots at the crucial stage of the 3rd set, and after an argue with Murphy completely lost his concentration.

Fumus
03-16-2012, 01:17 PM
I agree, he lost all drop-shots at the crucial stage of the 3rd set, and after an argue with Murphy completely lost his concentration.

Voo you are a stats man, would you agree that 22/30 at net is definitly a winning perctange? It's not as if he was getting passed all the time or anything.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Voo you are a stats man, would you agree that 22/30 at net is definitly a winning perctange? It's not as if he was getting passed all the time or anything.

22/30 is 73%, all percentage results above 70% in tennis I consider as very good, above 60% as good, above 50% as decent.