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WWW IW R3: Federer vs. Raonic

allpro
03-12-2012, 04:32 AM
should be one helluva showdown.

fed in two tight sets....7-6, 7-5.

green25814
03-12-2012, 04:34 AM
The above sounds accurate. Raonic can take things to Tiebreaks and you never know there. He's capable of stringing together big winners at important moments.

BroTree123
03-12-2012, 04:34 AM
Raonic def. Federer W/O.

Arkulari
03-12-2012, 04:35 AM
Raonic has a big shot at Roger if he is patient enough, even if his ROS is pure garbage.

Mystique
03-12-2012, 04:35 AM
If Roger is alright healtwise and improves his footwork a little, he should win this one in two.
If not, Milos has a good shout

Filo V.
03-12-2012, 04:35 AM
Neither really played that great today but both will ratchet things up for this match.

I expect Roger to break at least once. Something like 7-6 6-3. I wouldn't be surprised at Roger breaking twice in a set. I don't see Raonic having any chance, really. I'd be pretty shocked if he won it.

However, if Roger's sick, that changes things completely.

Clay Death
03-12-2012, 04:36 AM
7-6, 6-3.

milos look at the bright side: you are going to be chillin with the chicks at south beach, miami that much sooner.

theseth1119
03-12-2012, 04:36 AM
Rogie in straights.

jonas
03-12-2012, 04:38 AM
Milos has never beaten a top 8 player. And he won't do it here.
7-5 6-3

theseth1119
03-12-2012, 04:38 AM
Raonic def. Federer W/O.

Yeah you wish!

LastRocket
03-12-2012, 04:43 AM
Fed in 2sets, 6/4 7/6 vs the only youngster with a future :worship:

SerialKillerToBe
03-12-2012, 04:46 AM
Federer 6-3, 6-4.

AntiTennis
03-12-2012, 04:53 AM
I think Rog in straight, but tight sets..BTW there is a lot of people saying Rog got the virus..so if this is true maybe he will withdraw and if not it will be harder for him to beat Raonic

MaratandMilos
03-12-2012, 05:20 AM
Milos will take a set with a TB win, but lose in the 3rd.

MaratandMilos
03-12-2012, 05:22 AM
Milos has never beaten a top 8 player. And he won't do it here.
7-5 6-3
He has only played Nadal and Ferrer out of the top 8.

MuzzahLovah
03-12-2012, 05:31 AM
Rog easily- Milos will fold under pressure.

viruzzz
03-12-2012, 05:31 AM
Fed 7-5 7-5.
And not a single fuck was given that night.

jonas
03-12-2012, 05:48 AM
He has only played Nadal and Ferrer out of the top 8.

I know. Nevertheless...

LisaKoh
03-12-2012, 05:53 AM
Is Federer really sick? Pity.

RoddickFan.
03-12-2012, 06:03 AM
There is a decent chance of Fed giving a walkover.

If they do play, it'll probably be Fed in 2 tight sets, 76 64. If it goes to 3, I think Milos will prevail.

Lestat
03-12-2012, 06:07 AM
rogy 6-3 6-1
bye mugic

BroTree123
03-12-2012, 06:13 AM
rogy 6-3 6-1
bye mugic

Fail integration of the word "mug" into a players surname :facepalm:.

henke007
03-12-2012, 06:55 AM
A typical Clayresult 6-4 6-3 to Fed

ballbasher101
03-12-2012, 07:01 AM
The wait is over. Raonic is swimming with the sharks now. Time to see how the young gun matches up against one of the greats. He should just enjoy himself, no one expects to win. Fed in 2.

MIMIC
03-12-2012, 07:18 AM
Fed 6-3, 7-6

LisaKoh
03-12-2012, 08:51 AM
Has Federer gotten that stomach bug that everybody's been talking about? If so, Raonic has a decent chance here.

Allez
03-12-2012, 08:54 AM
It's going to be all about the serve thus giving Milos a chance to win something like 7/6 7/6.

Tennis-Life
03-12-2012, 09:29 AM
Hope Fed will withdraw from the tournament :(

Kat_YYZ
03-12-2012, 09:38 AM
Has Federer gotten that stomach bug that everybody's been talking about? If so, Raonic has a decent chance here.

He's got something. Seems the stomach is not bugging him, just fever. He says his family is a lot worse off. The health officials in the area are saying it's a 24-48 hour virus, so he may be well enough by Tuesday.

However, just because the virus is gone doesn't mean it's effects are gone (dehydration, fatigue, etc).

However, a Federer/Raonic match was never going to be a festival of 20-shot rallies, so maybe that's the best type of opponent Fed could have in that case.

Yves.
03-12-2012, 10:09 AM
I'm liking Raonic's chances, he looked clinical against in-form Berlocq, and Federer looked sloppy against Kudla.

Sombrerero loco
03-12-2012, 10:09 AM
milos please take this =)

ossie
03-12-2012, 10:45 AM
fed in two straightforward sets is what i am expecting, would like to see if raonic could surprise me though.

Topspindoctor
03-12-2012, 10:47 AM
Olderer to send this all serve mug back to Yugoslavia in 2 easy sets.

156mphserve
03-12-2012, 12:57 PM
Milos has never beaten a top 8 player. And he won't do it here.
7-5 6-3

He has only played Nadal and Ferrer out of the top 8.

I know. Nevertheless...

Since when did Fish drop out of the top 8? Or are we only talking top 8 at the time that he beat them?

if that's the case then he's also played Roddick when Roddick was top 8, losing that epic Memphis final last year.

Also interesting that you cut off at 8 because he's beaten a number 9 player 3 times, and a number 10 player once. Their ranking at the time he beat them I mean

not saying these players compare to Fed but he has what it takes to beat borberline top 8 players and it's only a matter of time until he breaks right through to beating a top 5 player

misty1
03-12-2012, 01:01 PM
its going to take more than what milos has to beat roger

unless roger has an off day he should win this in straight sets

LisaKoh
03-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Well Federer has that mysterious virus so who knows, Milos might have his lucky day.

SelvenluvJo
03-12-2012, 01:38 PM
God in 3 sets, if he plays really aweful.

rinnegan
03-12-2012, 02:46 PM
Gramps in 2

masterclass
03-12-2012, 03:11 PM
He has only played Nadal and Ferrer out of the top 8.

Don't forget his losing effort to #8 Andy Roddick in Memphis 2011.

Other players that Raonic has managed to beat inside the top 30 have usually been players that are not playing on their favorite surface. For example, clay court players playing on indoor or outdoor hard. Or he has beaten somewhat inconsistent faster hard court players in slower conditions.

Obviously, he also has trouble winning against higher quality players with good return games, even on surfaces that might favor him (ala Memphis and his loss to #38 Melzer).

His "breakthrough" event was probably the 2011 Australian Open where he successively defeated #24 Michael Llodra and #10 Mikhail Youzhny, before losing to #7 David Ferrer.

He then beat #9 Fernando Verdasco two matches in a row in 2 successive Indoor Hard tourneys.

He then lost (inc. 1 retirement) to Verdasco in 2 clay court events and lost easily to David Ferrer on clay.

In 2012, he had his best tournament to date in India at Chennai Outdoor Hard successively beating #10 Almagro, and then #9 Tipsarevic in 3 tiebreakers where Raonic served extremely well.

So, I think it will be difficult for Raonic to beat #3 Federer unless Federer is too sick.
Raonic would probably have to serve at 80% first serves or better to have a chance, and then he would have to break Federer, or beat him in the tiebreakers. Also, Federer is quite good against big servers and once he has read their serve (usually within a few services games) he uses their own pace against them to often block return winners. It will be a very difficult task for Raonic. Federer should win in 2 sets, unless Raonic serves very well and can take Federer in a tiebreaker.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Snowwy
03-12-2012, 03:12 PM
Federer 61 63

masterclass
03-12-2012, 03:32 PM
Since when did Fish drop out of the top 8? Or are we only talking top 8 at the time that he beat them?

if that's the case then he's also played Roddick when Roddick was top 8, losing that epic Memphis final last year.

Also interesting that you cut off at 8 because he's beaten a number 9 player 3 times, and a number 10 player once. Their ranking at the time he beat them I mean

not saying these players compare to Fed but he has what it takes to beat borberline top 8 players and it's only a matter of time until he breaks right through to beating a top 5 player

Agree. He needs another breakthrough event.
The question is if and when that will happen.
The where doesn't matter so much at this point.:)
He is still young (just turned 21), so he probably still has a year or two to improve and break through.
He's a bit one dimensional at the moment, so he needs to improve his all around game to have a chance against top players.

Respectively,
masterclass

Certinfy
03-12-2012, 03:33 PM
Probably Federer in 2, but I'll just say the Raonic in 3.

jonas
03-12-2012, 04:29 PM
Since when did Fish drop out of the top 8? Or are we only talking top 8 at the time that he beat them?

if that's the case then he's also played Roddick when Roddick was top 8, losing that epic Memphis final last year.

Also interesting that you cut off at 8 because he's beaten a number 9 player 3 times, and a number 10 player once. Their ranking at the time he beat them I mean

not saying these players compare to Fed but he has what it takes to beat borberline top 8 players and it's only a matter of time until he breaks right through to beating a top 5 player

Of course you count players ranking at the time for the meeting. :lol:
Milos got the game and the mind. Sure.
I guess I just wanted to illustrate he still has alot to prove against the bigger guys.
He's 0-6 against top 8 players and needs a win against the top guns to boost his confidence.
But he's got time on his side. Is he 22 this year?
Unless Fed is ill, I don't see him beating Roger. Now.

RIboy
03-12-2012, 04:38 PM
arrogant cow milker in 2 :sad:

emotion
03-12-2012, 05:56 PM
If Fed is sick, then Raonic has real chance, and through that, so does Kolya

Roamed
03-12-2012, 06:05 PM
Would be good for Milos if he could take this opportunity. I'm sticking with Fed though, if he's better I can see him winning in two or toughing it out in the third set after losing a breaker earlier on.

Wilanderer
03-12-2012, 06:23 PM
Antibioticerer in 2.

iriraz
03-12-2012, 06:33 PM
Hopefully it will be better for Feverer and play a good match and get through in a couple of tight sets

156mphserve
03-12-2012, 06:35 PM
Of course you count players ranking at the time for the meeting. :lol:
Milos got the game and the mind. Sure.
I guess I just wanted to illustrate he still has alot to prove against the bigger guys.
He's 0-6 against top 8 players and needs a win against the top guns to boost his confidence.
But he's got time on his side. Is he 22 this year?
Unless Fed is ill, I don't see him beating Roger. Now.

He is 0-6 against the top 8, but I think that he's never really been on top of his game in most of those matches.

He's played Nadal twice, in the fall of 2010 when he was ranked around 200, he was just developing, no way he had a chance then, and again in the fall of last year when he was coming back from injury, unlikely again.

he's played Ferrer 3 times, AO 2011, again was developing, possible, but Ferrer is a bad matchup for Milos, so getting 3 sets very unlikely. Against ferrer on clay in the spring in his first go around on the clay, no chance. And he played Ferrer again when he was coming back from injury.

He played Roddick in Memphis is what was his best chance and almost pulled it off.

I've never really had the feeling when he went into one of these matches that he was playing as best he could, except maybe against Roddick. I have that feeling now, to me this feels like his first real oppurtunity to pull of the big win.

That being said I don't think he'll win this time, and if he doesn't I won't think he's gonna win his next match against a top 5 player, but I do believe it's coming eventually, just a matter of when. This could be it, and it might not be it, we'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

Also, Milos is 5-8 against the top 10. Drawing the line at top 8 makes it look worse than it actually is, he's played well against number 9 and 10. 2 wins over verdasco at 9, a win over Tipsarevic at 9. A win over Youzhny at 10, and a win over Almagro at 10. A loss to Monfils at 10, and a loss way back in 2009 against Gonzalez when he qualified for the Rogers cup that year

and yes Milos will be 22 this year, in december I believe, so a ways away yet.

romismak
03-12-2012, 06:40 PM
He is 0-6 against the top 8, but I think that he's never really been on top of his game in most of those matches.

He's played Nadal twice, in the fall of 2010 when he was ranked around 200, he was just developing, no way he had a chance then, and again in the fall of last year when he was coming back from injury, unlikely again.

he's played Ferrer 3 times, AO 2011, again was developing, possible, but Ferrer is a bad matchup for Milos, so getting 3 sets very unlikely. Against ferrer on clay in the spring in his first go around on the clay, no chance. And he played Ferrer again when he was coming back from injury.

He played Roddick in Memphis is what was his best chance and almost pulled it off.

I've never really had the feeling when he went into one of these matches that he was playing as best he could, except maybe against Roddick. I have that feeling now, to me this feels like his first real oppurtunity to pull of the big win.

That being said I don't think he'll win this time, and if he doesn't I won't think he's gonna win his next match against a top 5 player, but I do believe it's coming eventually, just a matter of when. This could be it, and it might not be it, we'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

Also, Milos is 5-8 against the top 10. Drawing the line at top 8 makes it look worse than it actually is, he's played well against number 9 and 10. 2 wins over verdasco at 9, a win over Tipsarevic at 9. A win over Youzhny at 10, and a win over Almagro at 10. A loss to Monfils at 10, and a loss way back in 2009 against Gonzalez when he qualified for the Rogers cup that year

and yes Milos will be 22 this year, in december I believe, so a ways away yet.


Agree with you about his matches againt top 8, besides that match against Roddick, it would be big big upset if he had won any of them. Both matches against Rafa - not good enought-rankingwise and game wise and 2nd match against Rafa after major injury no way he can win, Ferrer at best of 5 slow HC big big task, Ferrer on clay impossible and Ferrer after injury, when you need movement and practice beat guy like him impossible .

Roddick fast indoor HC was his only chance and he did great, we can basically say that match was 50-50 and Milos could have won. Federer outdoor slow HC best of 3, i don´t think he can win, but i do believe he can take a set - what should be good sign for future. His best chances against top 8 are clearly Rafa on fast HC, or indoors. Don´t pls nobody mentioned Tokyo-becuase both their matches were impossible for Milos to win how i wrote above why. He has beaten Fish who wasn´t top 8 at that time, he can beat him on any surface right now, but the question is how long will Fish stay at 8th place, when they meet next time Fish possibly could be out of top 8

nellis_lv
03-12-2012, 10:17 PM
I'm surprised the odds on this match and Verdasco vs. Delpo are just about the same.

Expected Raonic to be much more of an underdog.

EddieNero
03-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Raonic would stand a chance on fast indoor court, yet I can't see him hitting through Federer on this surface.
Fed is going to exploit his movement and technique limitations like he always does against these type of players.

Viruserer in 2.

Deivid23
03-12-2012, 11:19 PM
Federer 61 63

Hope you´re kidding.

Snowwy
03-12-2012, 11:21 PM
Hope you´re kidding.

Nope.

Orka_n
03-12-2012, 11:54 PM
Cougherer in 2.

FlameOn
03-13-2012, 12:10 AM
Milos has a ton of holes in his game, I don't think he'll really threaten Rogi.

Kiedis
03-13-2012, 12:15 AM
If Fed is sick, then Raonic has real chance, and through that, so does Kolya

Federer is sick only if he lose. The Ballerina Brigade (BB) making the preventive excuse, as always :rolleyes:

Deivid23
03-13-2012, 12:28 AM
Nope.

Then you´re drunk.

ossie
03-13-2012, 12:41 AM
Probably Federer in 2, but I'll just say the Raonic in 3.makes sense

GSMnadal
03-13-2012, 12:43 AM
Federer 6-3 6-4

Miss Molly
03-13-2012, 01:29 AM
I'd love to see Milos get a set from him but I think Roger will take it in straights. One of the few times I cheer against Roger is when he plays a Canuck, so GO MILOS!

Voo de Mar
03-13-2012, 09:35 PM
Raonic needs to deliver first serve with 70%. Otherwise Federer will expose mercilessly Raonic's backhand hole to get a routine 6-3, 6-4 win, and the young Canadian will be screaming towards Blanco that doesn't understand why commits more backhand errors than usually.

Deivid23
03-14-2012, 04:05 AM
Raonic needs to deliver first serve with 70%. Otherwise Federer will expose mercilessly Raonic's backhand hole to get a routine 6-3, 6-4 win, and the young Canadian will be screaming towards Blanco that doesn't understand why commits more backhand errors than usually.

Two backhands down the line in the TB won Milos the first set. Good to see you´re aging well like good wines :lol: