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How long it takes Bernard Tomic to Top ten?

jcempire
10-11-2011, 02:10 PM
YES, I believe TOmic will be Top ten next year

but would he be the only one?

Yes I think so

Audacity
10-11-2011, 02:12 PM
No way. He sucks too much on clay.

jcempire
10-11-2011, 02:18 PM
No way. He sucks too much on clay.

He has no points to defend before Wim..



Why not

bjurra
10-11-2011, 02:27 PM
He has no points to defend before Wim..



Why not

Neither have Dancevic and Guccione, they wont be top 10 either.

Hewitt =Legend
10-11-2011, 02:33 PM
If Gooch chooses to be top 10 he will be.

Bernie will certainly be there one day, not sure if it will be next year though.

Or Levy
10-11-2011, 02:41 PM
I don't know about top 12, lots of solid guys in that group, but I see him top 15, 12 in the world, sure. I like what I see from him.

Lopez
10-11-2011, 02:44 PM
If Gooch chooses to be top 1 he will be.

Fixed :yeah:

The Magician
10-11-2011, 02:45 PM
It all depends on how he does in Australia. That should be the highlight of his season, if he can win a 250 there and make a run to the second week of the AO he could really shoot up in the rankings :yeah:

Sham Kay
10-11-2011, 02:46 PM
2013 will probably be the year he properly breaks through and flies into the top 10. Till then his results will more than likely be too sporadic to get into the top 10. Top 15 is very realistic though.

nadalwon2012
10-11-2011, 02:55 PM
What a brilliant win from Tomic over Fish today. The signs were there when he troubled Djokovic more than anyone else at Wimbledon. Tomic is on the way.

bjurra
10-11-2011, 02:56 PM
I like Tomic's game but let's face it, Fish was rubbish today.

bjurra
10-11-2011, 02:58 PM
Roddick got the number one ranking :rolleyes:

Roddick quickly realized the error and stepped down from the throne.

ciprianned
10-11-2011, 03:03 PM
yes , it's possible

eduggs
10-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Top 20 would be great for him.
I don't think he's good enough for top 10. And he may never be apart from a brief and temporary ascendancy.

Saberq
10-11-2011, 04:27 PM
It all depends on how he does in Australia. That should be the highlight of his season, if he can win a 250 there and make a run to the second week of the AO he could really shoot up in the rankings :yeah:

he needs a good draw to reach the second week and even then he will probably lose in the QF

Pirata.
10-11-2011, 05:57 PM
If Troicki and Tipsarevic can make the top 20...

nole_no1
10-11-2011, 05:59 PM
Everytime a player hits a good form or beats a/some good player/players people starting to ask "top 10 soon"? "future GS winner?" "future GOAT?"

MTF never change ! :lol:

Chris Kuerten
10-11-2011, 07:48 PM
He should aim on becoming the youngest top 100 player ever to retire.

james82
10-12-2011, 12:05 AM
Everytime a player hits a good form or beats a/some good player/players people starting to ask "top 10 soon"? "future GS winner?" "future GOAT?"

MTF never change ! :lol:

it probley has something to do with the fact that hes only 18 and top 50,theres not many of them around

Topspindoctor
10-12-2011, 12:24 AM
If Troicki and Tipsarevic can make the top 20...

Troicki was real close to making top 10 at one point :scared:

Sombrerero loco
10-12-2011, 12:38 AM
it would be amazing :hearts:

misty1
10-12-2011, 12:39 AM
It all depends on how he does in Australia. That should be the highlight of his season, if he can win a 250 there and make a run to the second week of the AO he could really shoot up in the rankings :yeah:

he cant win a 250 or a 500 since he doesnt try in them, he doesnt care enough about them. He also hasnt got the skill yet to win a masters event or a grand slam

until his attitude changes he wont win anything

shiaben
10-12-2011, 01:00 AM
He could. But he won't be a slam contender till around 21-22 I want to say.

He's still working hard on reducing his UEs. He's got a long way way to go raise his technical efficiency.

He's still raw. His body will get stronger eventually. But he'll definitely be top 8 material, and if he's eager, motivated, and refines every aspect of his game, perhaps top 4 material by the time he's 23.

Action Jackson
10-12-2011, 01:20 AM
Everytime a player hits a good form or beats a/some good player/players people starting to ask "top 10 soon"? "future GS winner?" "future GOAT?"

MTF never change ! :lol:

It's just jcempire is the bandwagon king.

nadalwon2012
10-12-2011, 01:51 AM
According to Wimbledon, Tomic is the closest player to Djokovic right now. Nobody was closer to stretching Djokovic to a 5th set.

Sunset of Age
10-12-2011, 02:05 AM
According to Wimbledon, Tomic is the closest player to Djokovic right now. Nobody was closer to stretching Djokovic to a 5th set.

:wavey: Hi there, RafaWonUSO2011. :D

ogre
10-12-2011, 03:07 AM
It occurred to me to look at the history for current grand slam winners, and when reached the top 10.

Name- age when first reached top 10
Rafael Nadal - 18
Novak Djokovic - 19
Roger Federer - 20 (missed by a whole 9 months! )
Juan Martin Del Potro -20 ( missed reaching top 10 at 19 by 1 month)
Andy Roddick - 19
LLeyton Hewitt - 19

Andy Murray has not won a slam, and he also took 1 month too long reaching to top 10 to be 19years old at the time. But he was also very close at 20yrs, 1month, 3 days :) .

So if Bernard Tomic does not reach the top 10 next year (at the end of the year he will be 20yrs and 2 months), he will be already getting old reaching the top 10 to be a future grand slam winner.

atennisfan
10-12-2011, 03:55 AM
So if Bernard Tomic does not reach the top 10 next year (at the end of the year he will be 20yrs and 2 months), he will be already getting old reaching the top 10 to be a future grand slam winner.

Federer took his time in getting to top 10, I guess he was too old to be a future grand slam winner?
:confused:

Topspindoctor
10-12-2011, 04:07 AM
Reaching top 10 is pretty pointless if you don't win big titles. Tomic should win a masters 1000 before being considered a worthy top 10 player. Without big titles, ranking is as meaningless as Wozniacki's #1 spot.

eduggs
10-12-2011, 04:35 AM
The guys at the very top of the game are great movers. And I expect this attribute to continue to infiltrate the top ranks and trickle further down. And it's no longer about just having great movement. You have to serve big and hit big from both wings, with consistency under pressure as well.

I think Tomic has a unique style... and a knack for playing and winning that overcomes some of his limitations. But I think what he lacks in speed and quickness will prevent him from spending too much time in the top 10.

Asadinator
10-12-2011, 04:49 AM
What about Soderling? Moves like a tank. He doesnt do much moving though because hes usually the one bossing the game.

Topspindoctor
10-12-2011, 04:56 AM
What about Soderling? Moves like a tank. He doesnt do much moving though because hes usually the one bossing the game.

Soderling has much better serve and vastly more powerful groundstrokes.

m9m9m9m9m9
10-12-2011, 06:10 AM
still a long way to go. he has the game to trouble any top players but can also lose to any players on a given day

nadalwon2012
10-12-2011, 12:21 PM
Be a fool to analyze Tomic with conventional rules of tennis. His game will do things nobody can predict, especially his opponent.

n8
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
It occurred to me to look at the history for current grand slam winners, and when reached the top 10.

Name- age when first reached top 10
Rafael Nadal - 18
Novak Djokovic - 19
Roger Federer - 21
Juan Martin Del Potro -20 ( missed reaching top 10 at 19 by 1 month)
Andy Roddick - 19
LLeyton Hewitt - 19

Andy Murray has not won a slam, and he also took 1 month too long reaching to top 10 to be 19years old at the time. But he was also very close at 20yrs, 1month, 3 days :) .

So if Bernard Tomic does not reach the top 10 next year (at the end of the year he will be 20yrs and 2 months), he will be already getting old reaching the top 10 to be a future grand slam winner.

Thanks for the stats but Federer was only 20 and 9 months. Still relatively old though. He was top 15 as a teenager, just stayed ranked 11-15 for a year.

nadalwon2012
10-12-2011, 12:54 PM
I think there has never been a player like Tomic. And there has never been a player like Nadal. They are completely unique, whereas Federer is based on the classic tennis player, the stereotypical player (apart from his squash shot).

Alex999
10-12-2011, 02:29 PM
I think there has never been a player like Tomic. And there has never been a player like Nadal. They are completely unique, whereas Federer is based on the classic tennis player, the stereotypical player (apart from his squash shot).

wtf, lol. What does "Federer is based on the classic tennis player" mean? He is stereotypical? lol. When did you start watching tennis? Meh, I don't even know why I reply to something stupid like this. MY MISSION TODAY IS TO FIGHT STUPIDITY, lol.

Fed is one of the best players who has ever stepped on a tennis court. You are being stupid. I assume you are Latin. I love Latin people and have many Latin friends but please.

nadalwon2012
10-12-2011, 04:03 PM
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wtf, lol. What does "Federer is based on the classic tennis player" mean? He is stereotypical? lol. When did you start watching tennis? Meh, I don't even know why I reply to something stupid like this. MY MISSION TODAY IS TO FIGHT STUPIDITY, lol.

Fed is one of the best players who has ever stepped on a tennis court. You are being stupid. I assume you are Latin. I love Latin people and have many Latin friends but please.

Federer follows the traditional tennis techniques with every shot, except for the his squash shot. He is classical. He is not Nadal. He is not Tomic. Nadal and Tomic are each one of a kind stylistically, especially Nadal whom nobody can even come close to copying the forehand of. Which part of this do you not understand?

Saberq
10-12-2011, 04:33 PM
Federer follows the traditional tennis techniques with every shot, except for the his squash shot. He is classical. He is not Nadal. He is not Tomic. Nadal and Tomic are each one of a kind stylistically, especially Nadal whom nobody can even come close to copying the forehand of. Which part of this do you not understand?

we understand you are Rafatard with no brain

ogre
10-12-2011, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the stats but Federer was only 20 and 9 months. Still relatively old though. He was top 15 as a teenager, just stayed ranked 11-15 for a year.

Thanks for that!

Yes, Federer was definitely a late developer, especially when compared to a player of similar age such as Hewitt. If roger had not been a late bloomer, it would be hard to imaging Hewitt being no1 for as long as 18 months!

So a real 'late developer' like Federer, still reached the top 15 as a teenager, just took another 9 months beyond being a teen to break into the top 10.

I also looked at previous players from my 'Hall of Fame' (Sampras, Borg, McEnroe etc) ....It is clear, if you do not make the top 10 while still 19 (or at least come very very close), yet still go on to do great things, you are an exception to the normal.

So for Tomic to reach the top 10 at 19 should be expected. If he does not not then his career is already fading into less significance.

cocrcici
10-12-2011, 10:44 PM
Yes

Egreen
10-12-2011, 10:59 PM
Maybe.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-12-2011, 11:07 PM
Yes I can see him in top 10 by this time next year. He is about to crack top 40 in a few days and can see him finishing the year around 25-35.

jcempire
10-13-2011, 01:28 AM
Yes I can see him in top 10 by this time next year. He is about to crack top 40 in a few days and can see him finishing the year around 25-35.

yes, you very right. He's almost Top 35

tennisshot
10-13-2011, 03:00 AM
Tomic should reach the top 10 next year barring injury.

The thing to remember in this discussion is that tomic, prior to wimbledon this year, hasn't played a lot of tournaments (his own choosing).

The thing to note at the moment is how composed and relaxed he is on court and how he can step up his game (hitting with power and accuracy) at times. This will only get better with time... which will only be for the greater good of the game of tennis.

for me the more interesting question is what does HE have to do to be #1.

shiaben
10-13-2011, 03:02 AM
Yes. I don't see anyone else that has anything special.

Asadinator
10-13-2011, 03:06 AM
Tomic should reach the top 10 next year barring injury.

The thing to remember in this discussion is that tomic, prior to wimbledon this year, hasn't played a lot of tournaments (his own choosing).

The thing to note at the moment is how composed and relaxed he is on court and how he can step up his game (hitting with power and accuracy) at times. This will only get better with time... which will only be for the greater good of the game of tennis.

for me the more interesting question is what does HE have to do to be #1.

He has played a few challengers just before Wimbledon. But you are right apart from the 90 points from AO, he has no points to defend till middle of next year, so he can fill his boots till then. But will he reach Top 10 before Wimbledon? I doubt it.

MatchFederer
10-13-2011, 03:13 AM
Here is Tomic taking a set of Federer...

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Not bad going really. Tomic might be slow and awkward but he's very very talented...

fast_clay
10-13-2011, 03:28 AM
Here is Tomic taking a set of Federer...

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Not bad going really. Tomic might be slow and awkward but he's very very talented...

ahhh.. real grass

Asadinator
10-13-2011, 04:03 AM
ahhh.. real grass

Looks like my backyard.

n8
10-13-2011, 04:15 AM
He has played a few challengers just before Wimbledon. But you are right apart from the 90 points from AO, he has no points to defend till middle of next year, so he can fill his boots till then. But will he reach Top 10 before Wimbledon? I doubt it.

He may not have anything chunky to defend besides AO between now and the middle of next year, but a lot of <50 pointers do add up.

Toyota CH (Nov) 15 points
Sydney (Jan) 12 points
Bernie CH (Feb) 29 points
Caloundra CH (Feb) 48 points
Indian Wells (March) 25 points
Monte Carlo (April) 16 points

Total points to defend between now and mid April (including AO and Davis Cup) = 240. That's almost a ATP250 tournament win.

DYJBAA
10-13-2011, 06:46 AM
Well unless he keeps performances like the 2nd and 3rd set of the Dolpo loss to a minimum, there won't be any teenagers in the Top 10 in 2012

LawrenceOfTennis
10-13-2011, 06:48 AM
Looks like my backyard.

Same here. Fast but still pretty ugly courts.

jcempire
01-07-2012, 05:35 PM
half year

one year

or

three months

Looner
01-07-2012, 05:35 PM
Hopefully his whole career.

samanosuke
01-07-2012, 05:46 PM
Forever , I hope

Poirot123
01-07-2012, 05:51 PM
After the way Murray destroyed him in Brisbane, Tomic has a long long way to go before he makes the top 10.

While Federer and Nadal may be in decline, they're still miles better than Tomic. Throw in the way Tsonga, Monfils, Tipsy and Del Potro have improved recently, Tomic has a long long way to go before he gets anywhere near the top 10. Has he ever beaten a guy in the top 20? I said not before 2013, but honestly, 2014.

GSMnadal
01-07-2012, 05:51 PM
He'll go on a winning streak only to be stopped by Federer in the semi's of Roland Garros.

Ozone
01-07-2012, 07:38 PM
No option for after 2013?

misty1
01-07-2012, 07:40 PM
honestly he's got a long way to go before he's top 10

viruzzz
01-07-2012, 07:44 PM
Come on, give the guy some space.
Look at Murray, for examplem his career high rankings were:
63 - 17 - 11 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 4.

I'm not saying Tomic is better than Murray, but, let's suppose he's gonna be a top 10 soon.
He finished his year 42. I think if he finishes 20 in the world, it's gonna be a good year for him... But in 2013 or 2014 he could be top 10, and the numbers seems pretty good for a tennis player career.

Saberq
01-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Let's hope never

castrationcult
01-07-2012, 08:07 PM
He might have a spell in the top 10 this year but it won't be 2013 until he becomes a fixture in the top 10 IMO.

My predictions for Bernie's 2012 here: http://tennisniche.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/player-profile-the-curious-case-of-bernard-tomic/

MuzzahLovah
01-07-2012, 08:10 PM
I would say never, but then again Tipsy is in the top 10, so never say never. I would say he's a couple of years and a major attitude change away from breaking the top 20.

ossie
01-07-2012, 08:17 PM
not before dolgo

abraxas21
01-07-2012, 10:15 PM
forever hopefully

Looner
01-07-2012, 10:20 PM
So, the consensus is forever. Well done, MTF. Then again he can always hope for Djoko, Fed and Nadull to retire before he's 22-23 and he'll be easily top 10. Those will the times when tennis ends.

leng jai
01-07-2012, 10:37 PM
Well according to the great man himself he will be no 1 in 2 years. By that accord he should be top 10 by the end of this year easily.

LawrenceOfTennis
01-07-2012, 11:13 PM
Mostly depends on Wimbledon. In the next 5 months he can win titles and can be worse than expected. He's already 37 on the rankings and has nothing to defend outside of AO R3. I would say he will crack top 25 by Wimbledon, and will finish the year around 15-10. Nothing to defend after Wimbledon.

Saberq
01-07-2012, 11:30 PM
I love how cocky this kid is ....shame he wont win a Slam in his life

Sauletekis
01-08-2012, 12:43 AM
It's a shame he won't be a seed in AO. But at least I bet he will be THE player that no one wants to draw in the opening round...

Saberq
01-08-2012, 01:07 AM
It's a shame he won't be a seed in AO. But at least I bet he will be THE player that no one wants to draw in the opening round...

yeah Murray will be heartbroken if he get's him :devil:

Sauletekis
01-08-2012, 01:12 AM
yeah Murray will be heartbroken if he get's him :devil:

Yes, because if you are going to win easily one player, it means that in the next match between both, it will be easy again... :rolleyes:

Saberq
01-08-2012, 02:05 AM
Yes, because if you are going to win easily one player, it means that in the next match between both, it will be easy again... :rolleyes:

Murray will always own Tomic...his style of play if his bread and butter

rinnegan
01-08-2012, 02:18 AM
Hopefully never

Sauletekis
01-08-2012, 02:25 AM
Murray will always own Tomic...his style of play if his bread and butter

Okey, lets admit that Murray is a really bad match-up for Bernie. There is still more 31 seeds that would HATE to draw Tomic. God, even Nole was in trouble in Wimbledon to beat him. And a SUPER Nole!

And his game is only going to get better with time. He just made 19 years 2 months ago!!!

Saberq
01-08-2012, 02:39 AM
Okey, lets admit that Murray is a really bad match-up for Bernie. There is still more 31 seeds that would HATE to draw Tomic. God, even Nole was in trouble in Wimbledon to beat him. And a SUPER Nole!

And his game is only going to get better with time. He just made 19 years 2 months ago!!!

dude I see you are his big fan so I'll go easy.....Nole was far from super at Wimbledon last year..maybe in the final....Also Tomic against Novak on HC is an awful day for Tomic.......Novak would kill him......Also Tomic needs to start winning Master events this year if he is the future of tennis for starters and I doubt he will ....we'll see

Sauletekis
01-08-2012, 03:01 AM
dude I see you are his big fan so I'll go easy.....Nole was far from super at Wimbledon last year..maybe in the final....Also Tomic against Novak on HC is an awful day for Tomic.......Novak would kill him......Also Tomic needs to start winning Master events this year if he is the future of tennis for starters and I doubt he will ....we'll see

I'm not going to say he is going to win Masters, But going to finals, yes. It's harder to win them, when there are ZERO grass tournaments. (stupid ATP)

Saberq
01-08-2012, 03:08 AM
I'm not going to say he is going to win Masters, But going to finals, yes. It's harder to win them, when there are ZERO grass tournaments. (stupid ATP)

also all that Tomic is great on grass is a little bit overrated given that his Wimbledon draw opened up

Sauletekis
01-08-2012, 03:23 AM
also all that Tomic is great on grass is a little bit overrated given that his Wimbledon draw opened up

Because HE opened up the draw! I really can see him defending his QF points again.

Saberq
01-08-2012, 03:25 AM
Because HE opened up the draw! I really can see him defending his QF points again.

he opened what?who did he beat do you know?

HKz
01-08-2012, 03:57 AM
he opened what?who did he beat do you know?

Soderling

Either way, Tomic had a fantastic run. He beat 4 actually big time names (after qualifying which makes it even more spectacular)

Davydenko, Andreev, Soderling, Malisse

The first two aren't great on grass, but they are still extraordinary players and Soderling and Malisse have had varying degrees of success at Wimbledon.

And we all know how well Tomic played against Djokovic, a shame that he couldn't at least make it a 5 setter which should of been the case.

RafaNadal2012!!!
01-08-2012, 04:08 AM
Where is "Never"

petar_pan
01-08-2012, 08:42 AM
YES, I believe TOmic will be Top ten next year

but would he be the only one?

Yes I think so

We will see, maybe even this year. I think next year

sports freak
01-08-2012, 11:58 AM
Maybe 3 years,if things go to plan!Staying in the top ten is another story!He needs to know when to come to the net,i guess when his volleying gets better he may do that!Problem is it doesnt seem to come naturally which a speed bump,you cant teach that shit!Some have it others dont,but for him to be a top 10 he needs a few more string to his bow!Im sure they are working on it,he looks better this year already but there's is still plenty of improvement!

theKSHE
01-08-2012, 12:00 PM
Depends. He's not the most consistent player in terms of results and that might cost him some time. However, he will make it.

EddieNero
01-08-2012, 12:02 PM
In order to reach the top 10 he needs to take part in smaller tournaments and obviously make some results in them.
At this stage of his career he's supposed to play as much tournaments as possible, not have a peakFederer-like scheduling.

Saberq
01-08-2012, 01:24 PM
Soderling

Either way, Tomic had a fantastic run. He beat 4 actually big time names (after qualifying which makes it even more spectacular)

Davydenko, Andreev, Soderling, Malisse

The first two aren't great on grass, but they are still extraordinary players and Soderling and Malisse have had varying degrees of success at Wimbledon.

And we all know how well Tomic played against Djokovic, a shame that he couldn't at least make it a 5 setter which should of been the case.

wasnt Soderling like dying at that match or something? .....

MuzzahLovah
01-08-2012, 04:16 PM
In order to reach the top 10 he needs to take part in smaller tournaments and obviously make some results in them.
At this stage of his career he's supposed to play as much tournaments as possible, not have a peakFederer-like scheduling.

Tomic and a modicum of humility= oil and water.

MaxPower
01-08-2012, 04:35 PM
Too early to say. Probably not this year. Maybe not the next. Depends on how consistent he can be in the masters and slams. I think he will mix good results with bad ones a bit too much during 2012



Soderling

Either way, Tomic had a fantastic run. He beat 4 actually big time names (after qualifying which makes it even more spectacular)

Davydenko, Andreev, Soderling, Malisse

The first two aren't great on grass, but they are still extraordinary players and Soderling and Malisse have had varying degrees of success at Wimbledon.

And we all know how well Tomic played against Djokovic, a shame that he couldn't at least make it a 5 setter which should of been the case.

wasnt Soderling like dying at that match or something? .....

Yeah he had a stomach sickness for a few days. On top of that he was coming from a tough 5 seter that probably drained what little energy he had left. Soderling was pale as a ghost and sweating a lot already from the start of the match. He took a medical timeout and got some medicine but he was totally drained. Shouldn't have gotten on court. Even stole the linesman's chair after a long rally and was wobbly on his legs at times. Dunno what he was thinking but he's won many matches sick before so he gambled, but stomach sickness leaves you more drained than playing with lets say light fever.

ogre
01-09-2012, 10:22 AM
He is on 1000 points right now, and current it takes around 2,500 to make the top 10. 2,000 by year end 2012 seems very feasible.... 2,500 is possible but this requires the challenge of predicting how someone matures!

I ticked 'after RG'. No one else chose it, and with it being unlikely before RG, it must be after, right?

Also, if it is taken to mean 'immediately after, then 7 voted for immediately after Wimbledon, and with a SF to defend at Wimbledon and almost no points available between the two, I can't see him adding many more points between the end of RG and the end of WIM.

However unlikely it will be immediately after RG.

Oh...and for the future? If the current 'top 4' lose their dominance, the points to reach the top 10 will probably increase, not decrease. Look at how many points are owned right now by just a few players.

tektonac
01-09-2012, 08:57 PM
as soon as higgs boson gets discovered, so sometime this or next year.