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Federer Streak 2011-2012: When will it end?

masterclass
01-03-2012, 07:10 PM
Mr. Roger Federer just won his 18th consecutive match beating Mr. Nikolay Davydenko 6-2, 6-2, handily.
At what point will his streak be snapped?

Please predict the player that snaps his current streak and in how many sets.;)
That will be easier if one thinks he will lose at Doha...otherwise, use a crystal ball.:unsure:

-masterclass

P.S. exhibition events are not included in match streaks ;)

MachineGun
01-03-2012, 07:13 PM
After the Australian Open.

I'm a bit vague but with Roger in his 30s I cannot be sure of anything.

GSMnadal
01-03-2012, 07:14 PM
As soon as he meets Nadal obviously

Saberq
01-03-2012, 07:15 PM
As soon as he meets Nadal obviously

:devil:

Saberq
01-03-2012, 07:15 PM
After the Australian Open.

I'm a bit vague but with Roger in his 30s I cannot be sure of anything.

Look guys another Fedtard that thinks this is 2006.....:haha:

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 07:16 PM
As soon as he meets Nadal obviously

maybe bagel streak against rafito but doubt even that . to get a golden slam of bagels over rafa has to bagel him on outdoor hard court also

Kworb
01-03-2012, 07:16 PM
These are his best streaks (hope I got it right):

41: 2006 US Open, Davis Cup, Tokyo, Madrid, Basel, WTF, 2007 Australian Open, Dubai, Indian Wells R2
35: 2005 Halle, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, US Open, Davis Cup, Bangkok, WTF F
26: 2004 US Open, Bangkok, WTF, 2005 Doha, Australian Open SF
25: 2005 Rotterdam, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo QF
23: 2004 Halle, Wimbledon, Gstaad, Toronto, Cincinnati R1
21: 2009 Madrid, Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Montreal QF
18: 2007 Cincinnati, US Open, Davis Cup, Madrid F
18+: 2011 Davis Cup, Basel, Paris, WTF, 2012 Doha R2+

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 07:20 PM
Fed has more streak wins than 27 years old world #9 ranked player overall wins :lol:

Certinfy
01-03-2012, 07:20 PM
Djokovic ended it last week.

MachineGun
01-03-2012, 07:20 PM
Look guys another Fedtard that thinks this is 2006.....:haha:

How so? Did you read all that in my previous post? I've been reading the forum these months... And you clearly are reaching new heights in terms of trolling. Go on, I like your sense of humour.

scarecrows
01-03-2012, 07:21 PM
These are his best streaks (hope I got it right):

41: 2006 US Open, Davis Cup, Tokyo, Madrid, Basel, WTF, 2007 Australian Open, Dubai, Indian Wells R2


let's not forget that if he withdrew from Cincinnati rather than tanking, it would have been 59

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 07:24 PM
all these anti Fed jinxing threads won't have a sense if I get my vmoney

Saberq
01-03-2012, 07:26 PM
How so? Did you read all that in my previous post? I've been reading the forum these months... And you clearly are reaching new heights in terms of trolling. Go on, I like your sense of humour.

I got that you think Fed will win Doha and then AO

neme6
01-03-2012, 07:27 PM
Djokovic ended it last week.

that doesn't count, just like it didn't count in 07 when he lost to Roddick in an exho before the Australian Open!

Mateya
01-03-2012, 07:28 PM
Doha next round against Žemlja.
:cool:

Voted for Seppi, but I think that only thing Seppi can derail is me. :)

LuCC
01-03-2012, 07:31 PM
As someone wrote above, if it is about fed now you can't be sure anything.

JediFed
01-03-2012, 07:58 PM
2004 Halle, Wimbledon, Gstaad, Toronto, Cincinnati R1, 2004 US Open, Bangkok, WTF, 2005 Doha, Australian Open SF, 2005 Rotterdam, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo QF, 2005 Halle, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, US Open, Davis Cup, Bangkok, WTF F

So, just so I have this straight.

From 2004 in Halle, the man lost once in Cincy, once at the AO (to Safin), once at Monte Carlo, Rome and RG, all the way to 2005 WTF?

That's 5 times in a year and a half. :worship:

Arakasi
01-03-2012, 08:03 PM
2004 Halle, Wimbledon, Gstaad, Toronto, Cincinnati R1, 2004 US Open, Bangkok, WTF, 2005 Doha, Australian Open SF, 2005 Rotterdam, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo QF, 2005 Halle, Wimbledon, Cincinnati, US Open, Davis Cup, Bangkok, WTF F

So, just so I have this straight.

From 2004 in Halle, the man lost once in Cincy, once at the AO (to Safin), once at Monte Carlo, Rome and RG, all the way to 2005 WTF?

That's 5 times in a year and a half. :worship:

Federer didn't play Rome in 2005 but he lost in the Olympics so it's still 5. He went 121-5 in that period.

r2473
01-03-2012, 08:10 PM
28.

I think he'll lose to Canas in R1 of Indian Wells.

tektonac
01-03-2012, 08:12 PM
jmac's streak is in grave danger.

Slice Winner
01-03-2012, 08:18 PM
28.

I think he'll lose to Canas in R1 of Indian Wells.

Well played, sir.

Shirogane
01-03-2012, 09:31 PM
22-25 - First loss before SF at AO since 2003Insane stat ::eek – it has to happen one day though.

Egreen
01-03-2012, 09:33 PM
Hard to tell. Is he going to play Seppi? Seppi is to Federer what Marcos Daniel is to Nadal. Maybe Seppi loses early.

If he avoids the Seppi kiss of death then he might win Doha but then at the AO who knows? Can he take a set off Djokovic on plexicushion? Never happened. If he avoids Djokovic(and Nadal?) at the AO, the streak could go on for a while.

IMO, Federer can't beat Nadal at any slam anymore. Hasn't happened since 2007. He can't beat Djokovic at a HC slam anymore. Hasn't happened since 2009.

Maybe I'm wrong.

BodyServe
01-03-2012, 09:37 PM
It's the spot on his face. Maybe he tried the egg.

Yolita
01-03-2012, 09:43 PM
let's not forget that if he withdrew from Cincinnati rather than tanking, it would have been 59

No, it wouldn't. If a player pulls out of a mandatory event, any winning streak gets broken, it doesn't count.

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 09:54 PM
No, it wouldn't. If a player pulls out of a mandatory event, any winning streak gets broken, it doesn't count.

:facepalm:

that's how djokovic gets 40+

Yolita
01-03-2012, 10:00 PM
:facepalm:

that's how djokovic gets 40+

He didn't skip a mandatory event. Monte Carlo is not mandatory anymore. It used to be, but not anymore. There are only 8 Masters Events which are mandatory.

xdrewitdajx
01-03-2012, 10:17 PM
Fed has more streak wins than 27 years old world #9 ranked player overall wins :lol:

??

fran70
01-03-2012, 10:26 PM
In Dubai

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 10:30 PM
He didn't skip a mandatory event. Monte Carlo is not mandatory anymore. It used to be, but not anymore. There are only 8 Masters Events which are mandatory.

:facepalm:

so if somebody has broken leg and doesn't play hole season they should count to him all defeats where he planed to play ? mandatory or not it's still masters 1000 which nole was planing to play and canceled a week or so before the start

??

fixy

asmazif
01-03-2012, 10:36 PM
streaks only end when you don't advance in a tournament after having walked on court. end of. Fed could retire now, come back in 14 years, beat an aging Yuki Bhambri and the streak would carry on to 19.

Yolita
01-03-2012, 10:42 PM
so if somebody has broken leg and doesn't play hole season they should count to him all defeats where he planed to play ? mandatory or not it's still masters 1000 which nole was planing to play and canceled a week or so before the start

Unfortunately, those are the rules. If he had pulled out of Belgrade, the streak would have continued. But if he had pulled out of Madrid, Rome or Roland Garros, that would have been the end of the streak.

I'm sure Nole made the decision to pull out of Monte Carlo taking into account these rules. Now, everybody assumed that Nole's streak would have ended in Monte Carlo because Nadal would have beaten him there, and that he didn't want to face Rafa. We now know that Novak would probably had beaten Nadal in Monte Carlo as well. We'll never know. :)

Yolita
01-03-2012, 10:47 PM
streaks only end when you don't advance in a tournament after having walked on court. end of. Fed could retire now, come back in 14 years, beat an aging Yuki Bhambri and the streak would carry on to 19.
It would carry on to 19 but it wouldn't count for records, even if it were to go on to 100. You wouldn't want a player to break Johnny Mac's record by getting a 100+ match-streak playing only challengers, for instance, would you? I'm sure that's the rationale behind those rules. :)

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 10:51 PM
Unfortunately, those are the rules. If he had pulled out of Belgrade, the streak would have continued. But if he had pulled out of Madrid, Rome or Roland Garros, that would have been the end of the streak.

I'm sure Nole made the decision to pull out of Monte Carlo taking into account these rules. Now, everybody assumed that Nole's streak would have ended in Monte Carlo because Nadal would have beaten him there, and that he didn't want to face Rafa. We now know that Novak would probably had beaten Nadal in Monte Carlo as well. We'll never know. :)

can you give me a link of those rules ? I am really interested which more tennis rules I have missed

fmolinari2005
01-03-2012, 10:51 PM
No, it wouldn't. If a player pulls out of a mandatory event, any winning streak gets broken, it doesn't count.

Where did you get that from?! Rafael Nadal was thought to have a perfect streak at the FO, until 2009, even if he had pulled out of his first FO at 2004 due to a foot injury. And I don't recall people saying that his Wimbledon winning streak between 2008 and 2010 was broken because he didn't play at 2009.

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 10:54 PM
I think those rules and valid just in Mexico tennis federation, section - nole tards

fmolinari2005
01-03-2012, 11:02 PM
I think those rules and valid just in Mexico tennis federation, section - nole tards

Which is bizarre, because we are talking about a hypothetical scenario regarding Roger's streak. Nothing to do with Nole's streak. Unless even on fantasy land you can't beat Nole's streak. This would be extreme even on Tardland.

samanosuke
01-03-2012, 11:06 PM
Fed doesn't like Nole . more than a good reason for windmill fights

masterclass
01-03-2012, 11:12 PM
28.

I think he'll lose to Canas in R1 of Indian Wells.

I think IW or perhaps the Sony Ericsson Open in Miami is about the best one could expect for Mr. Federer.
To reach IW would require about 34 straight wins including an Aussie slam win. To Miami, 40.

Oh, by the way, about the x and y choices in the poll; it's so far ahead, I hadn't attempted to figure it out when first posting. I added those choices in there for the most dedicated of Roger fans.
But just for kicks, if his schedule stays as is, and draws are similar to last year, then by my reckoning, just to get to Roland Garros with streak intact would require winning about 61 matches straight, a highly unlikely accomplishment.

At the other end of the scale, it's quite unlikely that he could lose at Doha to someone like Andreas Seppi (he's in the poll to satisfy Mateya :devil:). But who knows, stranger things have happened...

-masterclass

fmolinari2005
01-03-2012, 11:17 PM
Fed doesn't like Nole . more than a good reason for windmill fights

How can someone not like Nole when the guy tries so hard to be loved by everybody?! :lol: :lol:

The great thing about Fed x Nole rivalry is that nobody will ever think it is a good idea making them play under candle lights.

Lopez
01-03-2012, 11:18 PM
Unfortunately, those are the rules.

Umm what rules :scratch:?

Walkovers don't count as a loss either, nor do they end a streak (case example: Borg). Why should withdrawals?

Topspindoctor
01-03-2012, 11:30 PM
Olderer will not lose another match until he retires.

Slice Winner
01-03-2012, 11:54 PM
Olderer will not lose another match until he retires.

This.
And don't forget, he's never going to retire.

Chirag
01-04-2012, 01:45 AM
Tsonga will beat him in Doha

Yolita
01-04-2012, 02:05 AM
Where did you get that from?! Rafael Nadal was thought to have a perfect streak at the FO, until 2009, even if he had pulled out of his first FO at 2004 due to a foot injury. And I don't recall people saying that his Wimbledon winning streak between 2008 and 2010 was broken because he didn't play at 2009.

Ask Sharko what the requirements are for a winning streak to be considererd for the records. I'm sure a player is not allowed to skip the mandatory events. There are all sorts of records. I've had many very interesting discussions with Greg. He's a very nice and knowledgeable man.

Chirag
01-04-2012, 02:06 AM
Ask Sharko what the requirements are for a winning streak to be considererd for the records. I'm sure a player is not allowed to skip the mandatory events. There are all sorts of records. I've had many very interesting discussions with Greg.

I dont think thats true .A winning streak doest have to include mandatory events .Del Potro skipped Montreal ad Cincinatti in 2008 but still had the streak going on in the US Open

Saberq
01-04-2012, 02:10 AM
a winning streak is valid until player is beaten or until he withdraws before or during the match

Arakasi
01-04-2012, 03:06 AM
No, it wouldn't. If a player pulls out of a mandatory event, any winning streak gets broken, it doesn't count.

Where on earth did you get that from? :confused:

Withdrawals have nothing to do with winning streaks. There are plenty of examples of this. Not playing a tournament isn't the same as losing. Walkovers don't count either (although I think they should).

Even if your assertion were true, Masters Series tournaments were not mandatory in 2006 so Federer could have skipped Cincinnati to get the 59 match win-streak.

ZaZoo)
01-04-2012, 03:31 AM
Djoko to stop Streakerer at RG! :rocker2:

calvinhobbes
01-04-2012, 04:16 AM
Unfortunately, those are the rules. If he had pulled out of Belgrade, the streak would have continued. But if he had pulled out of Madrid, Rome or Roland Garros, that would have been the end of the streak.

I'm sure Nole made the decision to pull out of Monte Carlo taking into account these rules. Now, everybody assumed that Nole's streak would have ended in Monte Carlo because Nadal would have beaten him there, and that he didn't want to face Rafa. We now know that Novak would probably had beaten Nadal in Monte Carlo as well. We'll never know. :)

There are no rules for records. Records establish by themselves and may sub-divide by themselves in cathegories: There are, for instance, records for weeks as No. 1 consecutive or total. Winning streaks sub-divide in absolute (taking into account only played matches) or relative to a type of surface (Like Nadalīs Clay or Rogerīs Grass)or relative to a type of event (Slams or DC). ASOASF.Winning streaks records could exist taking into account withdrawals or missing important events. Connorsīor Jo Macīs records were established when masters were not mandatory. So we should not homologate todayīs records imposing a new condition on mandatory events. On the contrary, we would be creating a new type of record. . . . .

guga2120
01-04-2012, 04:22 AM
Federer's streak, lol. Rafa or Andy should beat him in Australia being a 5 set match. Novak will certainly beat him.

My guess Novak to crush him in AO sf.

finishingmove
01-04-2012, 05:05 AM
He will tank before meeting Nadal in Doha.

masterclass
01-04-2012, 07:56 AM
He will tank before meeting Nadal in Doha.

Look, just watch for the Rolex. ;)

Seriously though, in his case we must never call it "tanking".
For Roger Federer it is playing strategic tennis within the rules of the sport.

-masterclass

Shinoj
01-04-2012, 08:02 AM
After he defeats your favourite player or Nadal. And if after Nadal i dont care who it is.


Ofcourse

Regards
Shinoj

duarte_a
01-04-2012, 12:20 PM
He can't beat Djokovic at a HC slam anymore. Hasn't happened since 2009.

Maybe I'm wrong.

You're wrong. Roger was 1 point away 2 times from beating djokovic in the last 2 Us Open's. That's the close you can get to winning a match if you lose it. It's not like djokovic has been beating Federer in straights in all the HC slams they play.

finishingmove
01-04-2012, 12:25 PM
You're wrong. Roger was 1 point away 2 times from beating djokovic in the last 2 Us Open's. That's the close you can get to winning a match if you lose it. It's not like djokovic has been beating Federer in straights in all the HC slams they play.

this is exactly why he won't even come MPs again.

chau Retirerer :zzz:

Mystique
01-04-2012, 12:35 PM
This.
And don't forget, he's never going to retire.

Indeed. Good to see MTF opening up to reality

abraxas21
01-04-2012, 12:57 PM
AO 2013

will have 0 defeats in 2012

GSMnadal
01-04-2012, 01:01 PM
AO 2013

will have 0 defeats in 2012

Time to open a 'Will Federer go unbeaten in 2012?' thread just like Nole's for 2011 :rocker2:

Although it seems unnecessary and obvious that he will

Egreen
01-04-2012, 01:11 PM
You're wrong. Roger was 1 point away 2 times from beating djokovic in the last 2 Us Open's. That's the close you can get to winning a match if you lose it. It's not like djokovic has been beating Federer in straights in all the HC slams they play.

But he hasn't beaten Djokovic at a HC slam since USO 2009.:shrug:

GSMnadal
01-04-2012, 01:13 PM
But he hasn't beaten Djokovic at a HC slam since USO 2009.:shrug:

Yes, he was so hopelessly outplayed in their HC slam encounters, never stood a chance

MIMIC
01-04-2012, 01:13 PM
2017 Monte Carlo QF

Egreen
01-04-2012, 01:14 PM
Yes, he was so hopelessly outplayed in their HC slam encounters, never stood a chance

He still didn't beat him. How come he beat him at RG? No choking there.

Maybe Djokovic is more vulnerable/beatable at RG and Wimbledon. He got lucky that Tsonga took out Federer at Wimbledon for sure.

romismak
01-04-2012, 02:21 PM
I donīt know why but i think he will win Doha, even Nadal if he will play him canīt see him beating him. This year Doha is very windy and also surface seems to be pretty fast, so anything can happen. But after his match against Davy he looked better to me than Rafa who is just getting to be comfortable with new racquet. So i would say Roger will win Doha and than his streak will end in AO,either SF or F it depends when he will play against Nole. Nole in AO best of 5 simply is better than Roger. Rogerīs only chance in Melbourne is to serve much better than normally- and normally he is serving very good and also to lead in match, because if he for example loose 1st set there is no way for him to turn it arround. He just canīt mantain focus for long 4-5 set matches and Noleīs record lately when he is leading in match is untouchable.

finishingmove
01-04-2012, 02:32 PM
Olderer would have dug his own grave by winning Doha :lol:

masterclass
01-04-2012, 02:34 PM
But he hasn't beaten Djokovic at a HC slam since USO 2009.:shrug:

This is a somewhat misleading statement. Simply, he hasn't beaten Mr. Djokovic in their last 3 HC slams. It's not Mr. Federer's fault that Mr. Djokovic did not do well enough in the 2010 AO (lost to Mr. Tsonga in the QF) to face Mr. Federer (the AO winner) in the semis.

One could say that historically, Mr. Federer has gone deeper on 10 of the 14 occasions in the HC slams in which both have played, but Mr. Djokovic has managed to defeat Mr. Federer in the last 3 HC slams and thus Mr. Djokovic has the best recent results at this time. Time will tell if 2011 was an aberration, or a sign of things to come. :)

Respectfully,
masterclass

masterclass
01-04-2012, 03:07 PM
I donīt know why but i think he will win Doha, even Nadal if he will play him canīt see him beating him. This year Doha is very windy and also surface seems to be pretty fast, so anything can happen. But after his match against Davy he looked better to me than Rafa who is just getting to be comfortable with new racquet. So i would say Roger will win Doha and than his streak will end in AO,either SF or F it depends when he will play against Nole. Nole in AO best of 5 simply is better than Roger. Rogerīs only chance in Melbourne is to serve much better than normally- and normally he is serving very good and also to lead in match, because if he for example loose 1st set there is no way for him to turn it arround. He just canīt mantain focus for long 4-5 set matches and Noleīs record lately when he is leading in match is untouchable.

It's questionable whether one can say that Mr. Federer is incapable of maintaining focus during 4-5 set matches purely based on last year's events. It's also easy to say that the expected hot weather at the AO will cause Mr. Djokovic to retire as he did in the 2009 QF. The first 3 days of January in Melbourne, it was 34 C.(93 F.), 39 (102), and 32 (89).
But who knows what will happen? Each year is different.

Respectfully,
masterclass

mark73
01-04-2012, 04:53 PM
Fed's streak is at 19 now. This is getting very serious now..very serious indeed. :eek:

GSMnadal
01-04-2012, 04:57 PM
Dodges the minefield that was Zemlja :worship:

On towards the always tricky Seppi

HKz
01-04-2012, 05:06 PM
Dodges the minefield that was Zemlja :worship:

On towards the always tricky Seppi

Of course. Rafael lost to him, he must be tricky.

JediFed
01-04-2012, 05:35 PM
You mean Rafa wasn't sick?

manadrainer
01-04-2012, 05:43 PM
Hope he wins tomorrow, so that he gets his 7th 20+ wins streak!

He already holds the record with 6 obviously...

masterclass
01-04-2012, 06:18 PM
Fed's streak is at 19 now. This is getting very serious now..very serious indeed. :eek:

Voters for option 1 - streak stops at 18 were incorrect, by virtue of Mr. Federer's 19th tour level win in a row at Doha vs. the second ranked Slovenian, Grega Žemlja from Kranj, Slovenia (top ranked Slovenian - Blaž Kavčič).

"On the bubble", voters for option 2 - 19: Andreas Seppi and his loyal fans... :cheerleader::wavey: Good luck!

Respectfully,
masterclass

!VamosRafa!
01-04-2012, 08:29 PM
He will obviously lose to Djokovic in the semifinals of the AO :lol:

duong
01-05-2012, 07:43 AM
let's not forget that if he withdrew from Cincinnati rather than tanking, it would have been 59

Did he have a problem when Cinci tournament started ?

I don't remember that :confused:

Watching the match against Murray, I didn't have the impression that he tanked, of course not his best, but Murray played very well and Fed probably didn't use the good tactics, going too much to the net against a guy like Murray if I remember well, whom he didn't know well yet.

abraxas21
01-05-2012, 02:57 PM
Fed lost a set to Seppi, time to retire you mug.
..

mark73
01-05-2012, 02:59 PM
20 straight!! :bounce:

Slice Winner
01-05-2012, 04:08 PM
Would be nice for the streak to continue, but on today's form, Tsonga Tsunami looks likely.
Tsonga's big serve on a fast court = win. Although Jo hasn't been playing his best, so I'd give Feds a 70% chance of winning.
If he plays like today, more like 5% though.

JediFed
01-05-2012, 06:28 PM
8th time in a year. :o

Tchovs
01-05-2012, 07:29 PM
Well, according to the man himself, he's with some back problem and wasn't even sure he would be able to play today - and tomorrow Tsonga will be waiting for him.... So, bye bye streak....

But if he withdraw, the streak will be saved, I guess.

masterclass
01-06-2012, 02:14 AM
Ok. Roger Federer beat Andreas Seppi in 3 sets for his 20th straight win, so those who voted for poll option "19 - Derailed by Seppi" are done.

Next poll pick on the line, 20 - Derailed by Tsonga.

Now it gets interesting...

Respectfully,
masterclass

nalbyfan
01-06-2012, 12:36 PM
It ends today with a W/O

GSMnadal
01-06-2012, 12:38 PM
Hmmm, unless he meets Rafa in R2 of the AO, it seems unlikely I'll get it right :awww:

Still think it's not much of a streak if you don't win all the tournaments you enter midway

paseo
01-06-2012, 12:38 PM
What a jinx thread, this is.

guichard
01-06-2012, 12:45 PM
Hmmm, unless he meets Rafa in R2 of the AO, it seems unlikely I'll get it right :awww:

Still think it's not much of a streak if you don't win all the tournaments you enter midway
It is over anyway. Walkover don't count as official loses/wins but they do end streak.

scarecrows
01-06-2012, 12:48 PM
It is over anyway. Walkover don't count as official loses/wins but they do end streak.

no they dont

GSMnadal
01-06-2012, 12:48 PM
It is over anyway. Walkover don't count as official loses/wins but they do end streak.

I've heard otherwise, what thread was it with the best streaks? One of the streaks, by Borg I believe, counted with a similar scenario.

Fed Express
01-06-2012, 12:50 PM
The streak continues by the way.

Arakasi
01-06-2012, 12:50 PM
It is over anyway. Walkover don't count as official loses/wins but they do end streak.

No they don't. Walkovers don't count as losses and don't end streaks. I don't understand how people can never seem to remember this.

guichard
01-06-2012, 12:55 PM
well they do

Arakasi
01-06-2012, 01:01 PM
well they do

:facepalm:

A_Skywalker
01-06-2012, 01:03 PM
2013... He wont play this season again ... joke

MuzzahLovah
01-06-2012, 01:29 PM
Lol, the first time I was right in won of these things. Tsonga Tsunami was so big Fed wouldn't even risk being overtaken by it.

MuzzahLovah
01-06-2012, 01:31 PM
How can you have a streak if you withdraw halfway through a tourney? That's as ridiculous as not counting a retirement as a loss.

Saberq
01-06-2012, 01:35 PM
what's the point of this streak for Fedtards?I mean he's not gonna break the record of 46 wins....who cares?

Vida
01-06-2012, 01:36 PM
How can you have a streak if you withdraw halfway through a tourney? That's as ridiculous as not counting a retirement as a loss.

rets are counted as a loss, I believe.

barbadosan
01-06-2012, 01:37 PM
what's the point of this streak for Fedtards?I mean he's not gonna break the record of 46 wins....who cares?

We do. If that upsets you, too bad :wavey:

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 01:39 PM
at least Fed's streak going on . outbollocksed the haters. that's my boy

MuzzahLovah
01-06-2012, 01:40 PM
rets are counted as a loss, I believe.
:confused:
That's why I said it would be ridiculous to say otherwise- just like it would be ridiculous to claim a streak with withdrawals is ongoing.

Shinoj
01-06-2012, 01:41 PM
Yes. Retirements are counted as losses. Ask Djokovic who retired twice in 70-6.

Silvester
01-06-2012, 01:41 PM
rets are counted as a loss, I believe.


Retirements yes - once a match has started. Withdrawal before match starts doesn't count as a loss.

Vida
01-06-2012, 01:41 PM
:confused:
That's why I said it would be ridiculous to say otherwise- just like it would be ridiculous to claim a streak with withdrawals is ongoing.

I see. but in withdrawal, there was no loss...: shrug:

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 01:43 PM
withdrawal is not loss :dance:

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 01:44 PM
Now if he is smart . he'll skip AO , win Rotterdam and two DC matches, with 2-3 IW victories get to 30

Vida
01-06-2012, 01:54 PM
Now if he is smart . he'll skip AO , win Rotterdam and two DC matches, with 2-3 IW victories get to 30

...than, lay low until US open ends.

Johnny Groove
01-06-2012, 01:56 PM
no they dont

I've heard otherwise, what thread was it with the best streaks? One of the streaks, by Borg I believe, counted with a similar scenario.

Again this scenario :lol:

Officially, according to the ATP, W/O do not end win streaks, that Borg streak of 40+ wins had 2 or 3 W/O involved.

But I think that's bullshit, and it wouldn't be the first time the ATP did something stupid.

W/O should count as a loss. If you play in a tournament, and you don't win, then clearly you lost :shrug:

I said this with Nole in Paris, and now Fed, and if Nadal ever does it, my tune won't change. Ironic that Tsonga was the beneficiary in both Paris and here :lol:

Sophocles
01-06-2012, 01:58 PM
W/O should count as a loss. If you play in a tournament, and you don't win, then clearly you lost :shrug:

But by that logic, you'd be counting W/O in H2H records too, right?

barbadosan
01-06-2012, 02:00 PM
But by that logic, you'd be counting W/O in H2H records too, right?

Well argued, sir!

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 02:01 PM
I am sure sure if somebody will want to know Fed's win-loss ration first thing what he will do will be: he will enter MTF, will use searching engine, will find one poster with nadal in avatar and in his posts will find wanted information

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 02:01 PM
...than, lay low until US open ends.

I am real at least :shrug:

Johnny Groove
01-06-2012, 02:02 PM
But by that logic, you'd be counting W/O in H2H records too, right?

Of course I would.

If I am scheduled to play a match, and I am unable to play, and the other guy advances, yes, for me, that would be a loss for myself, and should count in the H2H.

Sunset of Age
01-06-2012, 02:03 PM
Funny to see that a lot of 'tennis fans' over here apparently have difficulties in knowing the difference between a withdrawal and a retirement.

A retirement ends a streak, a withdrawal does not.
Capisce? :wavey:

Vida
01-06-2012, 02:04 PM
I am real at least :shrug:

you mean 'realistic'?

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 02:05 PM
you mean 'realistic'?

probably

Sophocles
01-06-2012, 02:07 PM
Of course I would.

If I am scheduled to play a match, and I am unable to play, and the other guy advances, yes, for me, that would be a loss for myself, and should count in the H2H.

Fair enough. It's a defensible position. Personally though, I find it hard to get over the fact that a match can't finish if it hasn't started, & I don't see how there can be a result if there's no finish.

masterclass
01-06-2012, 02:10 PM
No they don't. Walkovers don't count as losses and don't end streaks. I don't understand how people can never seem to remember this.

In terms of streaks, I thought the rules were:
1. Retirements by the player on the streak definitely count as a loss and will end a streak.
2. Pre-match withdrawal by the opponent of the player on the streak does not count as a win for the player on the streak and does not break the streak.
3. Pre-match withdrawal by the player on the streak does not count as a loss, but does break the streak? (admittedly not sure)

I am unsure as that is merely my recollection of the rules, and I have unfortunately not been able to locate a rulebook or internet site for the official ATP or ITF rules regarding streaks.

I've seen the following quote around the internet, but have not seen substantiation for it on any official site (atp, itf).
As per winning streak rules (used by ATPWorldTour and Wikipedia), withdrawals before a match do not count as a win or a loss, but retirements during a match do. Streaks are tour level only; Davis Cup and World Team Championship are included. A player could win ATP matches, lose in a challenger and still keep his tour level streak.

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone else at MTF could please provide a link to those rules. Wikipedia doesn't count, unless wiki also provides a link to the official rules.

Respectfully and thanks,
masterclass

Vida
01-06-2012, 02:10 PM
there is no finish in retirement, but it counts as a result.

Egreen
01-06-2012, 02:10 PM
Djokovic will end the streak at the AO. Just like Federer ended Djokovic's streak at the FO.

Johnny Groove
01-06-2012, 02:11 PM
Fair enough. It's a defensible position. Personally though, I find it hard to get over the fact that a match can't finish if it hasn't started, & I don't see how there can be a result if there's no finish.

Agreeing to disagree is always an option :hatoff:

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 02:12 PM
Fed proved once again that he controls everything . He and just he can decide if he wants to end the streak

Vida
01-06-2012, 02:13 PM
the streak is inconsequential. he had momentum going last year, nothing happened.

2011 was most likely the year when the door got closed for fed.

Sophocles
01-06-2012, 02:14 PM
there is no finish in retirement, but it counts as a result.

Well, yes & no. Resigning in chess ain't checkmate but it ends the game in a way going to the pub instead of playing in the first place, doesn't.

Sophocles
01-06-2012, 02:15 PM
Agreeing to disagree is always an option :hatoff:

Of course. I'm just trying to think through the implications of agreeing with you as I can see the attractions of your position.

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 02:18 PM
like scarecrow said it before, Fed should have done that against Murray in Cincy and would have another unbreakable record . shame he needed to get old to learn some tricks

duong
01-06-2012, 02:20 PM
Again this scenario :lol:

Officially, according to the ATP, W/O do not end win streaks, that Borg streak of 40+ wins had 2 or 3 W/O involved.

But I think that's bullshit, and it wouldn't be the first time the ATP did something stupid.

W/O should count as a loss. If you play in a tournament, and you don't win, then clearly you lost :shrug:

I said this with Nole in Paris, and now Fed, and if Nadal ever does it, my tune won't change. Ironic that Tsonga was the beneficiary in both Paris and here :lol:

+1

I don't think there's anything official by the ATP about that and anyway who cares ? he's had much better streaks.
Borg's case is more bothering, as well as Vilas's streak ending because of a "spaghetti racket"

Vida
01-06-2012, 02:20 PM
only window for not counting a ret as a loss, is if the player didnt withdrew although he had all the excuse.

but since it is not possible to determine the subjective element (excuse), and it is terribly difficult to have it via objective, the rule (that a ret is a loss, and withrawal isnt) - makes perfect sense.

Saberq
01-06-2012, 02:20 PM
like scarecrow said it before, Fed should have done that against Murray in Cincy and would have another unbreakable record . shame he needed to get old to learn some tricks

he couldn't have known he would lose against Murray at that time

duong
01-06-2012, 02:21 PM
like scarecrow said it before, Fed should have done that against Murray in Cincy and would have another unbreakable record . shame he needed to get old to learn some tricks

still that's something I would like to know : did he have a problem before that match in Cinci 2006 ? I don't remember that, thanks for any answer :-)

Riosreigned
01-06-2012, 02:25 PM
It will end in Melbourne, for sure.

This is a very sweet read on Roger, with other ATP pros praising and talking about the Swiss King:
http://thebiofile.com/2010/12/roger-federer-portrait-of-the-champion/

samanosuke
01-06-2012, 02:31 PM
still that's something I would like to know : did he have a problem before that match in Cinci 2006 ? I don't remember that, thanks for any answer :-)

not a physical problem . just in canada he played 4 or 5 there setters and was exhausted . he tanked that matches so he could spare himself of possible win and few more matches

scarecrows
01-06-2012, 02:55 PM
he couldn't have known he would lose against Murray at that time

he didnt intend to go all the way in Cincy knowing it could jeopardize his USO chances. Hadnt he lost against Murray he would have done that in the following round. He lost also to Hrbaty in Cincy after winning Canada.

I dont understand why a withdrawal few days before a tournament (eg. Djokovic before MC last year) should not count and withdraw before a certain round of a tournament should.

That said, I think this streak is meaningless since it doesnt have any GS win in it

I think the most impressive streak Fed has is the GS semifinals

Yolita
01-06-2012, 08:02 PM
he didnt intend to go all the way in Cincy knowing it could jeopardize his USO chances. Hadnt he lost against Murray he would have done that in the following round. He lost also to Hrbaty in Cincy after winning Canada.

I dont understand why a withdrawal few days before a tournament (eg. Djokovic before MC last year) should not count and withdraw before a certain round of a tournament should.

That said, I think this streak is meaningless since it doesnt have any GS win in it

I think the most impressive streak Fed has is the GS semifinals

That was my original point a few days ago. In order for a streak to have any meaning, a player cannot avoid Grand Slams or Masters events. Also, a streak should involve a string of titles. That's why if a player doesn't win a tournament, the streak is considered broken. And if a player doesn't enter a mandatory event, the streak is considered broken as well. Monte Carlo is not mandatory, that's why Novak's streak wasn't broken, the same if he had pulled out of Belgrade or Dubai. But if he had pulled out of Rome or Roland Garros, the streak would have been meaningless, in terms of being compared to the great winning streaks in the Open Era.

Otherwise you could get streaks that are made longer by avoiding tricky opponents or Grand Slams (of course I'm not saying this is what happened here). They would be winning streaks, but meaningless.

And of course there are all sorts of streaks: streaks on clay, streaks on a particular tournament, etc, anything that can be counted could be used for a streak. ;)

barbadosan
01-06-2012, 08:12 PM
That was my original point a few days ago. In order for a streak to have any meaning, a player cannot avoid Grand Slams or Masters events. Also, a streak should involve a string of titles. That's why if a player doesn't win a tournament, the streak is considered broken. And if a player doesn't enter a mandatory event, the streak is considered broken as well. Monte Carlo is not mandatory, that's why Novak's streak wasn't broken, the same if he had pulled out of Belgrade or Dubai. But if he had pulled out of Rome or Roland Garros, the streak would have been meaningless, in terms of being compared to the great winning streaks in the Open Era.

Otherwise you could get streaks that are made longer by avoiding tricky opponents or Grand Slams (of course I'm not saying this is what happened here). They would be winning streaks, but meaningless.

And of course there are all sorts of streaks: streaks on clay, streaks on a particular tournament, etc, anything that can be counted could be used for a streak. ;)

Surely you meant to say "should" be considered, and not "is" considered, since it isn't considered broken on those occasions you cited

Matt01
01-07-2012, 10:20 AM
Funny to see that a lot of 'tennis fans' over here apparently have difficulties in knowing the difference between a withdrawal and a retirement.

A retirement ends a streak, a withdrawal does not.
Capisce? :wavey:


There's indeed a difference between a withdrawal and a retirement: one of them counts as a loss, the other doesn't.

They both end streaks, though, because a streak means that you win all the time. When you give a walkover to someone, it means you haven't won so the real streak ends IMO.

xdrewitdajx
01-07-2012, 11:01 AM
:facepalm:

so if somebody has broken leg and doesn't play hole season they should count to him all defeats where he planed to play ? mandatory or not it's still masters 1000 which nole was planing to play and canceled a week or so before the start



fixy

yeah i know you meant tipsarevic, i just didnt get the "more streak wins"...how do you define streak wins? do you mean just those streaks listed earlier, and added up, being more than tipsarevic's total atp wins? kind of a random thing to point out

Lopez
01-07-2012, 11:19 AM
There's indeed a difference between a withdrawal and a retirement: one of them counts as a loss, the other doesn't.

They both end streaks, though, because a streak means that you win all the time. When you give a walkover to someone, it means you haven't won so the real streak ends IMO.

Well that's your opinion really. We have a case example of the ATP counting a streak with a few walkovers given to the opponent: Borg.

Matt01
01-07-2012, 11:39 AM
Well that's your opinion really. We have a case example of the ATP counting a streak with a few walkovers given to the opponent: Borg.


It is possible tha the opinion of the ATP differs.

Punky
01-07-2012, 11:50 AM
i think it will be over in AO in the semi's or final

Mystique
01-07-2012, 12:00 PM
The streak is of match wins, not titles. Of course it still remains at 20.
I hope he can make it 27 at least...

Punky
01-07-2012, 12:03 PM
The streak is of match wins, not titles. Of course it still remains at 20.
I hope he can make it 27 at least...

+1 i hope he will

guyha4
01-07-2012, 12:55 PM
i think around 35 (win the AO and loose on clay)

Looner
01-07-2012, 01:14 PM
Hope he makes it 27 (at least) but for consolation another QF will give him 1000 matches played in his carrier and bring him closer to the next all-time leader in wins (fogot who but was 863, I think).

Nole Rules
01-07-2012, 01:20 PM
Hope he makes it 27 (at least) but for consolation another QF will give him 1000 matches played in his carrier and bring him closer to the next all-time leader in wins (fogot who but was 863, I think).

Agassi.

GSMnadal
01-07-2012, 01:25 PM
i think around 35 (win the AO and loose on clay)

30 year old declining Fed will win the Australian Open, Indian Wells and Miami with Djokovic/Nadal around? Hmmm, I think you're right here

Yolita
01-07-2012, 03:10 PM
Surely you meant to say "should" be considered, and not "is" considered, since it isn't considered broken on those occasions you cited
Well, I don't know whether it "should". There are no rules set in stone. You can count the streaks anyway you want: winning matches wearing red shoes, or played on Tuesday, or played after 4pm. I'm talking about the meaningfulness of a streak. And for that, I think it's helpful to consider imaginary scenarios, not just what's happening. Imagine the following:

Imagine Nadal last year pulling out (citing injuries) before every final against Novak and before the Queen's final against Tsonga. Imagine him not playing Canada or Cincinnati. From Indian Wells to Tokyo he would have had a 57-win streak. Would anybody consider it as the best winning streak in the Open Era? I know I wouldn't.

A meaningful streak, for me, should involve winning all the tournaments entered and not avoiding the mandatory events.

I know that a player having a very long winning streak would be very tempted to pull out before a very tough match, in order to preserve his winning streak. If he does that, the resulting winning streak will have less value, in my opinion. :)

Roger did the right thing pulling out, nobody can risk an injury before a Grand Slam, plus it's important to preserve the "aura" of being on a winning streak, that aura will be helpful against his opponents in the first rounds. But his winning streak now will have a little less value than if he hadn't pulled out. That's all I'm saying.

Mystique
01-07-2012, 03:17 PM
Well, I don't know whether it "should". There are no rules set in stone. You can count the streaks anyway you want: winning matches wearing red shoes, or played on Tuesday, or played after 4pm. I'm talking about the meaningfulness of a streak. And for that, I think it's helpful to consider imaginary scenarios, not just what's happening. Imagine the following:

Imagine Nadal last year pulling out (citing injuries) before every final against Novak and before the Queen's final against Tsonga. Imagine him not playing Canada or Cincinnati. From Indian Wells to Tokyo he would have had a 57-win streak. Would anybody consider it as the best winning streak in the Open Era? I know I wouldn't.

A meaningful streak, for me, should involve winning all the tournaments entered and not avoiding the mandatory events.

I know that a player having a very long winning streak would be very tempted to pull out before a very tough match, in order to preserve his winning streak. If he does that, the resulting winning streak will have less value, in my opinion. :)

Roger did the right thing pulling out, nobody can risk an injury before a Grand Slam, plus it's important to preserve the "aura" of being on a winning streak, that aura will be helpful against his opponents in the first rounds. But his winning streak now will have a little less value than if he hadn't pulled out. That's all I'm saying.

This is just so stupid, I cannot believe a person actually thought and typed this out. Federer cud have pulled out of all clay finals in 2006 and he would have been like unbeaten in 2006 this way. :rolleyes:
Even better, by your logic, had Federer pulled out of all the matches he ended up eventually losing, he would be on a 810 match streak. :o

Federer pulled out of ONE MATCH, NOT 6 MATCHES and due to an evident injury. He wasnt in a position to compete.

And a player on a streak will not be tempted to pull out from difficult matches, it will be the best time for that person to play those matches:rolleyes: These are pros mate, they arent wussies.

abraxas21
01-07-2012, 03:21 PM
Well, I don't know whether it "should". There are no rules set in stone. You can count the streaks anyway you want: winning matches wearing red shoes, or played on Tuesday, or played after 4pm. I'm talking about the meaningfulness of a streak.

actually, withdrawals aren't counted as losses in streaks. never have, really.

you're just exposing a different opinion to the history record that the the official tennis organizations (ATP and ITF) have kept on this matter. that's alright of course, but just keep in mind these 2 facts:

1- it's your opinion

2- opinions are like assholes... everybody has one

:wavey:

Yolita
01-07-2012, 03:27 PM
OK. Good, thoughtful and respectful replies, as always. :wavey:

r3d_d3v1l_
01-07-2012, 03:33 PM
Damn, Noletards are even more annoying than Nadaltards. Jeez.

Singularity
01-07-2012, 03:52 PM
This is just so stupid, I cannot believe a person actually thought and typed this out. Federer cud have pulled out of all clay finals in 2006 and he would have been like unbeaten in 2006 this way. :rolleyes:
Even better, by your logic, had Federer pulled out of all the matches he ended up eventually losing, he would be on a 810 match streak. :o
You're agreeing with Yolita here though, by saying that such a 'streak' would be meaningless. With Federer, the difference is that Federer had to pull out, because he wasn't in a condition to play.
But isn't being ready and fit to play every match, part of what is important about an unbeaten streak? Put Yolita's argument another way: would Federer's streak be more impressive, if he hadn't had to pull out?

Roger did the right thing pulling out, nobody can risk an injury before a Grand Slam, plus it's important to preserve the "aura" of being on a winning streak, that aura will be helpful against his opponents in the first rounds. But his winning streak now will have a little less value than if he hadn't pulled out. That's all I'm saying.
I agree with this, and I think people skipped over this part in your post. However, there is a sense in which Federer is still unbeaten - no opponent has beaten him, since the streak started. If Federer takes to the court, that has to stick in the other players' mind. If Federer does decide to play (and well, this is only his second W/O), then watch out!

Mystique
01-07-2012, 04:10 PM
You're agreeing with Yolita here though, by saying that such a 'streak' would be meaningless. With Federer, the difference is that Federer had to pull out, because he wasn't in a condition to play.
But isn't being ready and fit to play every match, part of what is important about an unbeaten streak? Put Yolita's argument another way: would Federer's streak be more impressive, if he hadn't had to pull out?


I didnt say it would be meaningless and I dont agree with Yolita's point that if a player skips 4 or 5 finals he may end up losing, its a streak. Maybe you missed my saying "by your logic".
It doesnt mean I agree with that however.

And the only reason I mentioned Roger pulling out of ONE mtch was because of the comparison drawn towards Nadal skipping all those finals against Novak last year (which in itself I found an absurd hypothesis).

And yes, I agree that being fit to play every match adds greater sheen to the streak and Yolita's point that Roger's streak would have lesser value than had he not pulled out is true. I wasnt countering that as you can see from my response which was to the part of that post in bold.

Singularity
01-07-2012, 04:37 PM
I didnt say it would be meaningless and I dont agree with Yolita's point that if a player skips 4 or 5 finals he may end up losing, its a streak.
I don't think you quite understood her argument. She's saying if we were to ignore withdrawals in a winning streak then we could theoretically end up with ridiculous scenarios, if players withdrew before facing tough opponents. And that this allows us to see that withdrawals do affect the worth of a streak.

By imagining how we'd feel in such a ridiculous and improbable scenario (Nadal withdrawing before every final and it 'counting' towards the streak), we can discover what we actually care about. Hence, it seems you agree.

Anyway, IMO there are two streaks: a consecutive matches won streak, and a consecutive matches unbeaten streak. When you enter a tournament, you're expected to play every match, and if you can't, you must concede victory to your opponent. Hence it counts as a "loss". Match winning streaks are impressive because they show not only continued form, but also continued health and fitness, which is difficult to sustain over a long period.

However, if you do withdraw, you haven't been beaten by your opponent (you elected not to play in the first place). Hence, the unbeaten streak continues. Unbeaten streaks are valuable because they show a level of consistent form when a player is ready to play.

masterclass
01-07-2012, 06:15 PM
...I have unfortunately not been able to locate a rulebook or internet site for the official ATP or ITF rules regarding streaks.

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone else at MTF could please provide a link to those rules. Wikipedia doesn't count, unless wiki also provides a link to the official rules.
I still have seen no link to the official rules regarding streaks from anyone.
The closest thing to it is a statement apparently made by an ATP spokesman where they say "A withdrawal is not counted as a win or a loss" , so a streak remains intact. Link is here (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/2007-05-10-2609642545_x.htm).

So Roger Federer's streak remains at 20.

However, a streak is of little importance compared to a player's well-being. Let's all wish Mr. Federer and anyone else battling injuries to be well, and hope that they can be at their best when competing against the world's best players in the sport we love to watch and play.

Wouldn't it be a nice gesture :hug: if the MTF contributors (perhaps organized by moderators) would send a get-well e-card signed by well-wishers to injured players? We get so much from them, it would be nice to give something nice back as a group.

Respectfully,
masterclass

samanosuke
01-07-2012, 06:58 PM
why this pool is closed ? streak still going

fmolinari2005
01-07-2012, 07:03 PM
Wouldn't it be a nice gesture :hug: if the MTF contributors (perhaps organized by moderators) would send a get-well e-card signed by well-wishers to injured players? We get so much from them, it would be nice to give something nice back as a group.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Sure. I can even see it.

"Get well soon, mug"

Good thing it is a one size fits all kind of card.

masterclass
01-07-2012, 07:27 PM
why this pool is closed ? streak still going

Because it was a "prediction" poll, not a wait until you see the first few results and then vote poll.
Voters for 18 and 19 have already lost. 20 is "on the bubble". That said, you can always state your latest opinion in a comment, or even start a new poll if you'd like.

Unfortunately I can't edit the poll to change the streak numbers-descriptions, which will be off now due to Mr. Federer's withdrawal.
I don't know if a moderator (AJ, scoobs?) has the power to do so.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Poirot123
01-07-2012, 07:36 PM
Well it kind of depends on how bad Fed's back injury is. If he starts the AO fit, but then it flares up at the start of week 2, then only a withdrawal can save the streak. If Fed gets near the final (SF or in the final itself) and the back injury flares up, he'll probably fight on and lose.

Mystique
01-08-2012, 04:15 AM
I don't think you quite understood her argument. She's saying if we were to ignore withdrawals in a winning streak then we could theoretically end up with ridiculous scenarios, if players withdrew before facing tough opponents. And that this allows us to see that withdrawals do affect the worth of a streak.

By imagining how we'd feel in such a ridiculous and improbable scenario (Nadal withdrawing before every final and it 'counting' towards the streak), we can discover what we actually care about. Hence, it seems you agree.


See, I got her point and I understand it was a hypothetical scenario, a theory if you may. Thing is, that theory will not materialize in professional sport. Theories dont matter at all in sport in fact.
My issue with this logic is that its highly impropable that any pro level athlete does that. We cannot just ignore successive losses as "what-if he-had-withdrawn". The Nadal example just seemed absurd to me, and I said so.
But its a theory I get it:D

Shinoj
01-08-2012, 07:39 AM
Withdrawals counts as losses. Djokovic withrew against Tsonga in Bercy. That was one of his six losses in 2011.

GSMnadal
01-08-2012, 07:52 AM
Withdrawals counts as losses. Djokovic withrew against Tsonga in Bercy. That was one of his six losses in 2011.

Federer
Murray
Del Potro
Nishikori
Ferrer
Tipsarevic

Shinoj
01-08-2012, 07:54 AM
Federer
Murray
Del Potro
Nishikori
Ferrer
Tipsarevic

I seeee...

buzz
01-08-2012, 08:42 AM
Wouldn't it be a nice gesture :hug: if the MTF contributors (perhaps organized by moderators) would send a get-well e-card signed by well-wishers to injured players? We get so much from them, it would be nice to give something nice back as a group.


They would start reading this forum during their injury, and in most cases that wouldn't be nice.:rolleyes: