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Baghdatis/Gonzalez/Tsonga all played as high a level in AO finals as Djokovic/Nadal

2003
12-17-2011, 10:06 AM
Going back and watching the full matches of their quarters/semis and finals, they played every bit as high a level in those matches as most Djokovic/Nadal finals of 2010/2011.

I think Djokovics level against Nadal has been higher, but against Federer and some other players, its been about the same.

People often critisise Rogers GS finals opponents in 2005-2007 outside of Nadal, but this thread isnt about him or Nadal. Its about recognising that those players were clearly the 2nd best players in those tournaments.

Infact, Gonzalez and Tsonga DESTROYED Nadal at those respective AO events. People like to think of Nadal as a midget on HC in those days, but he wasnt. He neally reached the USO final the same year in 2008. Tsonga and Gonzalez destroyed everyone infront of them actually, even Murray in 2008 and Hewitt in 2007, who were legends on the surface and playing at a very high level.

Federer was in career best form in 2007 AO yet only just out tussled Federer in that final. It was very close, Gonzo having set point in set 1.

The truth is, Gonzo, Bahgy and Tsonga have always been capable of playing tennis to beat anyone, they just have never been able to keep the level up consistantly, but in those 1 magic tournaments, the level did stick. At least until the final until it wavered a bit or Federer was too good under intense pressure.

The only exception is I felt Tsonga was a bit of a let down in his final, he really could have won that match or taken it all the way to 5.

But alas, they were very good.

Lets not also forget Baghdatis came from 2 sets down to beat a very good Nalbandian in the AO semi. The same Nalbandian that was Destroying Peak Federer 3 months later in French Open semi only to suffer injury. He also created insane angles vs Federer in the final, people should re watch the first set, he was outstandingly good for a while there.

But alas, this thread is not to debate about weak eras etc, its merely to say that the aformentioned players were every bit as deserving finalists as anyone else in recent years. They played an outstanding level and really didnt fluke anything to get there, save maybe Baghdatis-Nalbandian semi. Each of those slams really did have the best 2 players in the final.

Those matches were every bit as exciting as the finals Djokovic and Nadal have contested in 2011. Some of the shotmaking was unbelievable.

samanosuke
12-17-2011, 10:10 AM
gonzalez and tsonga played their best or almost the best tennis. baggy didn't

2003
12-17-2011, 10:13 AM
gonzalez and tsonga played their best or almost the best tennis. baggy didn't

Yeah 2006 AO was a very open slam for a number of players to win.

But at the end of the day Federer was a bit too good still for anyone that could have contested that tournament. He was allowed an easy slam or two. Though the tears in his trophy ceremony indicated he had to fight very hard for it.

I remember the 5 setter with Haas earlier in the tourney. The first 5 setter he had played in a year since the 2005 Safin Semi.

That tournament ment a lot to Fed.

Saberq
12-17-2011, 10:14 AM
shut up man...field was weak in 2006 and 2007....I mean Fed was still too good even for todays field but come on

2003
12-17-2011, 10:18 AM
Davydenko was hitting peak Djokovic off the court at times at the 2011 US Open.

Imagine what 2006 Davydenko would have done to him. Might have taken him to 5.

The field wasnt weak.

Certinfy
12-17-2011, 10:31 AM
Davydenko was hitting peak Djokovic off the court at times at the 2011 US Open.

Imagine what 2006 Davydenko would have done to him. Might have taken him to 5.

The field wasnt weak.
Late 2009 Davydenko would have ripped that Djokovic apart.

HKz
12-17-2011, 10:41 AM
shut up man...field was weak in 2006 and 2007....I mean Fed was still too good even for todays field but come on

Give a few years time bro, same shit will be said about 2010, 2011, etc. It is always much easier to criticize/praise in retrospect. Either way, all of this shit is completely subjective. While one could say an era was weak, one could also point out that the top player is just dominating more. Just depends what biases you have and how you look at the situation (half full, half empty). There are plenty of arguments people have made about the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Every era is full of clowns as they say.

After all, even if you claim 2005/2006/2007 was weak, Nadal couldn't win a HC slam until 2009. Sure you can say he has "improved" but one could say otherwise about the field as well.

There are always excuses and reasons to make if you are willing to say them.

Saberq
12-17-2011, 11:03 AM
Davydenko was hitting peak Djokovic off the court at times at the 2011 US Open.

Imagine what 2006 Davydenko would have done to him. Might have taken him to 5.

The field wasnt weak.

yeah in a few games .....Davydenko can only bend over to the King

Shinoj
12-17-2011, 11:03 AM
The Problem with Tsonga,Gonzalez and the lot if that they reach the final and Federer knows about it and he knows for sure that he can beat them easily and he goes in with that belief, and when he goes in with that belief he is very hard to stop... And the opponent also starts believing that Federer cannot be over come.. If the likes of Tsonga and Gonzales had persisted with their top game for a longer time against Federer who knows what the end result would be

Thats the difference between Federer facing a Tsonga and Federer facing Djokovic. Federer goes in with the same belief that He can beat Djokovic but Djokovic in return doesnt give him the leeway whereas likes of Tsonga and Gonzales give him the leeway.

samanosuke
12-17-2011, 11:12 AM
Yeah 2006 AO was a very open slam for a number of players to win.

But at the end of the day Federer was a bit too good still for anyone that could have contested that tournament. He was allowed an easy slam or two. Though the tears in his trophy ceremony indicated he had to fight very hard for it.

I remember the 5 setter with Haas earlier in the tourney. The first 5 setter he had played in a year since the 2005 Safin Semi.

That tournament ment a lot to Fed.


at AO 2006 Fed played probably his worst tennis of any slams he won . Firstly he survived Has in 1/8 , then davydenko choked point after point, he got lucky with 1/2 draw and in finals Baggy would have had great shot if he was playing tennis like before finals but he was too tired

shut up man...field was weak in 2006 and 2007....I mean Fed was still too good even for todays field but come on

don't agree . ao 2006 was one of those slams where is full of surprised and 2007 no way . nadal surely wasn't playing his best but even if he was playing gonzo was INSANE, nadal was humiliated as never . and gonzo was just unlucky that was this maybe the best Fed's tennis at one GS till today

2003
12-17-2011, 11:30 AM
The Problem with Tsonga,Gonzalez and the lot if that they reach the final and Federer knows about it and he knows for sure that he can beat them easily and he goes in with that belief, and when he goes in with that belief he is very hard to stop... And the opponent also starts believing that Federer cannot be over come.. If the likes of Tsonga and Gonzales had persisted with their top game for a longer time against Federer who knows what the end result would be

Thats the difference between Federer facing a Tsonga and Federer facing Djokovic. Federer goes in with the same belief that He can beat Djokovic but Djokovic in return doesnt give him the leeway whereas likes of Tsonga and Gonzales give him the leeway.

Tell that to Tsonga at Wimbledon 2011.

diurpaneus
12-17-2011, 11:31 AM
Late 2009 Davydenko would have ripped that Djokovic apart.

Djokovic def Davydenko 3-6, 6-4, 7-5 WTF 2009

Shinoj
12-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Tell that to Tsonga at Wimbledon 2011.


I will be the first one who hope that it happens more often.

Naudio Spanlatine
12-17-2011, 03:14 PM
Gonzo and Baggy really was inspiring IMO:worship: :worship: :worship:

yuri27
12-17-2011, 03:15 PM
The Problem with Tsonga,Gonzalez and the lot if that they reach the final and Federer knows about it and he knows for sure that he can beat them easily and he goes in with that belief, and when he goes in with that belief he is very hard to stop... And the opponent also starts believing that Federer cannot be over come.. If the likes of Tsonga and Gonzales had persisted with their top game for a longer time against Federer who knows what the end result would be

Thats the difference between Federer facing a Tsonga and Federer facing Djokovic. Federer goes in with the same belief that He can beat Djokovic but Djokovic in return doesnt give him the leeway whereas likes of Tsonga and Gonzales give him the leeway.

Moving far better and returning way better than either Tsonga or Gonzalez also helps Djoker a lot against Federer.
Against Djoker,Nadal or even Murray, Federer knows he'll have to work very very hard to just win a point and hit through their unbelievable defenses and obviously,that sometimes makes him overplay.
He doesn't have this problem against guys like Tsonga,Gonzalez,Soderling or Berdych as he knows that he can easily produce winners against them because of their relatively poor movement and defense.

Shinoj
12-17-2011, 03:31 PM
Moving far better and returning way better than either Tsonga or Gonzalez also helps Djoker a lot against Federer.
Against Djoker,Nadal or even Murray, Federer knows he'll have to work very very hard to just win a point and hit through their unbelievable defenses and obviously,that sometimes makes him overplay.
He doesn't have this problem against guys like Tsonga,Gonzalez,Soderling or Berdych as he knows that he can easily produce winners against them because of their relatively poor movement and defense.

Djokovic or a Nadal believes that they can win a point against Federer, thats why they chase everything down. Tsonga and Gonzalez are athletes of the highest level. Dont tell me that they get tired of running and chasing down the points :rolleyes:

yuri27
12-17-2011, 03:39 PM
Djokovic or a Nadal believes that they can win a point against Federer, thats why they chase everything down. Tsonga and Gonzalez are athletes of the highest level. Dont tell me that they get tired of running and chasing down the points :rolleyes:

Their movement and fitness are not even remotely close to Nadal and Djoker's.

Naudio Spanlatine
12-17-2011, 03:41 PM
Their movement and fitness are not even remotely close to Nadal and Djoker's.

i agree with this, both of them are the best when it comes to fitness thats why they and along with fed are the top 3 best players in the world they always have a plan B everytime they perform in big occasions because they know who they are and they know what makes them the greatest player ever.

samanosuke
12-17-2011, 03:51 PM
nadal has just plan B

Naudio Spanlatine
12-17-2011, 03:57 PM
yes saman:ras: :p

Time Violation
12-17-2011, 04:08 PM
Djokovic def Davydenko 3-6, 6-4, 7-5 WTF 2009

Pwned :lol:

tektonac
12-17-2011, 05:02 PM
another failed attempt to engineer strong field for fed :lol:

samanosuke
12-17-2011, 05:08 PM
another failed attempt to engineer strong field for fed :lol:

another failed attempt to post for you :shrug:

Pirata.
12-17-2011, 07:23 PM
another failed attempt to engineer strong field for fed :lol:

Please detail the overall strength and superiority of the current field over all past eras in 500 words or less, without including Fedal, Djokovic or Murray.

samanosuke
12-17-2011, 08:01 PM
guys who were at their best playing ages when Fed was at his peak now having best ranking of their carriers, top 100 was never older, the biggest threat to nole in " Goat " season is 30 years old Federer, Ljubicic and Stepanek ( 32 years old) have better ranking than young guns, Tipsy needed this era to make break through, Karlovic with 32 years on his back after not playing for a year in few months from 250th place gets to 50th place, Blake going up in the rankings after few years, Nalbandian with match per month leading Argentina to DC finals, Melzer last year had the best season of his life, Mayer broke in top 20 , Lalo playing tennis of his life, Verdasco can't beat anybody but still finishes a year in top 25, Bogomolov from nowhere had a season of his life, Roddick became object of laughing but he is still ranked 14th, ... meanwhile almost all young guns and huge deals are ranked behind guys from Federer era . strongest era definitely

Ivanatis
12-17-2011, 08:37 PM
Totally. I think it's only fair to finally give Baggy his well-deserved Australian-Open winner-trophy. Right after he goes out against Istomin 1st round in a month.:D

Topspindoctor
12-18-2011, 01:00 AM
Djokovic def Davydenko 3-6, 6-4, 7-5 WTF 2009

lol owned

Edda
12-18-2011, 02:00 AM
The key word is consistency. None have been able to produce consistent results. One of the few consistent things about Tsonga is a history of injuries, not a good thing for any player. Gonzo had hip surgery and Baggy is just plain awful and a bad sport, too. I remember how obnoxious he was against David Ferrer in the 2010 AO.

yellowboy906
12-18-2011, 04:15 AM
Pwned :lol:

you know what pwned even more? late 2009 davy couldn't even beat a crappy novak. how the F does he stand a chance against this monster? lol

Shinoj
12-18-2011, 06:31 AM
Their movement and fitness are not even remotely close to Nadal and Djoker's.



Nadal himself said that he is not the most Athletic player of all.

And Djokovic said that its really not the fitness or any shot selection he has improved dramatically. Its just some mental fine tuning that he did.

Unlike the rest of the lot who believe that sitting in an Egg Pod or having a Gluten Free Diet did the trick to him i dont believe that.

Chirag
12-19-2011, 03:04 AM
shut up man...field was weak in 2006 and 2007....I mean Fed was still too good even for todays field but come on

There is no such thing as a weak field ;)Every field is strong .

And just to ask what is weak field and why isnt today weak bu your logic ?

Saberq
12-19-2011, 03:21 AM
There is no such thing as a weak field ;)Every field is strong .

And just to ask what is weak field and why isnt today weak bu your logic ?

because today is ruled by the 3 greats and 2006 only had 1 great player and bunch of mediocre to good players excluding Nadal at that time who was only good on clay

stewietennis
12-19-2011, 03:58 AM
because today is ruled by the 3 greats and 2006 only had 1 great player and bunch of mediocre to good players excluding Nadal at that time who was only good on clay

Isn't it all relative though? Maybe 2006, rather than (in your opinion) mediocre players, it had a bunch of talented players however one was so exceptional that it reduced the others into looking like club players.

Topspindoctor
12-19-2011, 04:07 AM
Olderer was lucky to have faced chokers in 2006/2007 AO finals. Didn't really deserve those slams.

2003
12-19-2011, 05:03 AM
Olderer was lucky to have faced chokers in 2006/2007 AO finals. Didn't really deserve those slams.

No mate thats Nadal 2010 French Open...seriously

Chirag
12-19-2011, 07:00 AM
because today is ruled by the 3 greats and 2006 only had 1 great player and bunch of mediocre to good players excluding Nadal at that time who was only good on clay

yes but dont you think the quality of the field goes from weak to strong by the addition of jut 2 players .Its like me saying the ocean is poisoned by adding 2 buckets of poison in it .Its so large that addition of a few players isnt going to change the relative strength of it

ossie
12-19-2011, 09:38 AM
too bad fatdatis and mugzalez at their best still suck balls compared to djoker and rafa.

2003
12-19-2011, 10:33 AM
How come people never mention Del Potro 09 USO final?

Surely hes pretty much like Baghdatis/Gonzo?

Okay hes still young but Baghdatis reached 06 AO final at 20 years old and never looks like making another final.

He also destroyed Nadal a la Tsonga and Gonzo 07/06 AO in 09, but of course thats not a weak era :rolleyes:

Sophocles
12-19-2011, 10:50 AM
The OP is entirely correct.

Mystique
12-19-2011, 12:13 PM
Gonzo played a tremendous tournament in AO'07, and his level in the final was very high for the best part. He just ran into Federer playing some of his finest HC tennis. Yeah, he did choke a little when serving for the first set but that was 2007 and Federer used to mentally win matches before even stepping on court those days. Inspite of that, Gonzo played a good final, close to some of the best he could have produced at that level.
Baggy played well, as well as he can almost but he ran out of gas. He was outplaying an average Federer but he just had played onto five setter too many going into the final. The 2006 final wasnt a high quality one but definitely an entertaining affair.
As for Tsonga, it was just impossible he replicate his SF performance in the 08 final, but he managed to play very well I think. Personally, while I respect what Novak achieved this year, I liked his game a hell lot more back in 2008 when he used to be a more attacking brand of tennis. Thats some of the best tennis I saw from the Serb and Jo kept it real close.
So yeah, basically while these three may not be "big names" (and are referred to as chicken opponents in retrospect by some people), they put in a real good effort in the one slam final they appeared in. Ironically, I feel its Gonzalez who actually played best (but came off as a straight sets loser).

Saberq
12-19-2011, 12:47 PM
yes but dont you think the quality of the field goes from weak to strong by the addition of jut 2 players .Its like me saying the ocean is poisoned by adding 2 buckets of poison in it .Its so large that addition of a few players isnt going to change the relative strength of it

to win a Slam today you have to beat Novak,Rafa,Roger,Andy.......2 of them at least and if you are not in top 4, 3 of them.....that's a tall task....and they are in charge of keeping mugs out of SF's of Slams....If you had this Novak,this Rafa,this Andy in 2006,2007 AO Baghdatis or Gonzalez would never have reached those finals ....

Logical
12-19-2011, 04:52 PM
Going back and watching the full matches of their quarters/semis and finals, they played every bit as high a level in those matches as most Djokovic/Nadal finals of 2010/2011.

I think Djokovics level against Nadal has been higher, but against Federer and some other players, its been about the same.

People often critisise Rogers GS finals opponents in 2005-2007 outside of Nadal, but this thread isnt about him or Nadal. Its about recognising that those players were clearly the 2nd best players in those tournaments.

Infact, Gonzalez and Tsonga DESTROYED Nadal at those respective AO events. People like to think of Nadal as a midget on HC in those days, but he wasnt. He neally reached the USO final the same year in 2008. Tsonga and Gonzalez destroyed everyone infront of them actually, even Murray in 2008 and Hewitt in 2007, who were legends on the surface and playing at a very high level.

Federer was in career best form in 2007 AO yet only just out tussled Federer in that final. It was very close, Gonzo having set point in set 1.

The truth is, Gonzo, Bahgy and Tsonga have always been capable of playing tennis to beat anyone, they just have never been able to keep the level up consistantly, but in those 1 magic tournaments, the level did stick. At least until the final until it wavered a bit or Federer was too good under intense pressure.

The only exception is I felt Tsonga was a bit of a let down in his final, he really could have won that match or taken it all the way to 5.

But alas, they were very good.

Lets not also forget Baghdatis came from 2 sets down to beat a very good Nalbandian in the AO semi. The same Nalbandian that was Destroying Peak Federer 3 months later in French Open semi only to suffer injury. He also created insane angles vs Federer in the final, people should re watch the first set, he was outstandingly good for a while there.

But alas, this thread is not to debate about weak eras etc, its merely to say that the aformentioned players were every bit as deserving finalists as anyone else in recent years. They played an outstanding level and really didnt fluke anything to get there, save maybe Baghdatis-Nalbandian semi. Each of those slams really did have the best 2 players in the final.

Those matches were every bit as exciting as the finals Djokovic and Nadal have contested in 2011. Some of the shotmaking was unbelievable.
:spit: They are fluke one time finalists.Baggdatis played three 5 set matches to reach final.:lol: Gonzalez got lucky with Nadal tired and Tomug Hass.Comparing the two to Djokovic and Nadal:facepalm:

Logical
12-19-2011, 04:56 PM
No mate thats Nadal 2010 French Open...seriouslyEl Matador beat every top player at Roland Garos.Your comparision is fail:wavey: Fedull never beat El Matador or Peak Djokovic in Australia.

samanosuke
12-19-2011, 05:02 PM
El Matador beat every top player at Roland Garos.Your comparision is fail:wavey: Fedull never beat El Matador or Peak Djokovic in Australia.

Fed doesn't need to beat El Retador in Australia , there is plenty of other El Mugatadors who take the trash out before the Great Master comes

Logical
12-19-2011, 05:10 PM
Fed doesn't need to beat El Retador in Australia , there is plenty of other El Mugatadors who take the trash out before the Great Master comes
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg
:hug::lol:

samanosuke
12-19-2011, 05:13 PM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg
:hug::lol:

i see variety is your forte . you had a great master to learn from it

samanosuke
12-19-2011, 05:21 PM
in meantime i am trying to get a clue from where these pics come :scratch:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_TXW9tFr0Qyo/S2pXOQvz-8I/AAAAAAAABBc/z6R71cnssIU/12%20australian%20open%202004.jpg


http://www.tennis.info/images/AusOpen6/Federer8203.jpg

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Australian+Open+2007+Day+14+gyIkNKiCDN9l.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/tennis/1/0/U/J/10_roger_federer_australian_open_2010.jpg

Naudio Spanlatine
12-19-2011, 05:36 PM
was rafa in those finals when fed won:scratch:


http://computer-ease.com/emoticon/tpgiggle.gif

samanosuke
12-19-2011, 05:48 PM
was rafa in those finals when fed won:scratch:


http://computer-ease.com/emoticon/tpgiggle.gif

no, he lost to various mugs before the finals ( on two occasions to same mugs which Fed beat in finals ) and this fact is making him greater than possible defeats in finals

Naudio Spanlatine
12-19-2011, 06:38 PM
no, he lost to various mugs before the finals ( on two occasions to same mugs which Fed beat in finals ) and this fact is making him greater than possible defeats in finals

:lol:its ok samo i was jus joking, fed deserve those titles;) :p

2003
01-06-2012, 12:00 AM
lol owned

Who won the fucking tournament?

Pirata.
01-06-2012, 12:16 AM
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/60/197578-federer_cry.jpg
:hug::lol:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm4wt6fbPl1qzfj8mo1_400.gif

http://www.tennisforum.com/images/smilies/oh.gif

rocketassist
01-06-2012, 12:20 AM
They played a higher quality of TENNIS, yes TENNIS, not running/defending, throughout the tournament, but they ran into a Ninja Fed (except for maybe Baghdatis, but he had more court craft than the other two and had more in his locker to disrupt Fed)

Topspindoctor
01-06-2012, 12:22 AM
Olderer was lucky to have played where he faced clowns like Hewitt, Mugzalez, Phillipussy and washed up Drugassi :shrug: If he faced prime Nadal and Djokovic during his peak, his slam tally would have been much lower. When your biggest rivals are shit players like Roddick, Baldenko and Fatbandian, it's easy to look good :shrug:

Saberq
01-06-2012, 12:36 AM
They played a higher quality of TENNIS, yes TENNIS, not running/defending, throughout the tournament, but they ran into a Ninja Fed (except for maybe Baghdatis, but he had more court craft than the other two and had more in his locker to disrupt Fed)

Only a blind Fedtard can say that those mugs play tennis and Rafa and Novak only defend

rocketassist
01-06-2012, 01:06 AM
Olderer was lucky to have played where he faced clowns like Hewitt, Mugzalez, Phillipussy and washed up Drugassi :shrug: If he faced prime Nadal and Djokovic during his peak, his slam tally would have been much lower. When your biggest rivals are shit players like Roddick, Baldenko and Fatbandian, it's easy to look good :shrug:

2011 Djokovic would be no bother to him, whereas any Nadal always has been.

2007 Gonzalez was one of the highest levels of any player in any slam, except Federer's was even better.

leng jai
01-06-2012, 01:07 AM
Gonzalez vs Haas/Nadal in 07 is probably better tennis than Nadal/Djokovic have ever played in their career.

Saberq
01-06-2012, 01:10 AM
2011 Djokovic would be no bother to him, whereas any Nadal always has been.

2007 Gonzalez was one of the highest levels of any player in any slam, except Federer's was even better.

Fed won AO 07 right?so if Djokovic 07 beat Fed 07 why do you think Djokovic 2011 would not bother him...LOL Novak always bothered Fed....

Topspindoctor
01-06-2012, 01:11 AM
2011 Djokovic would be no bother to him, whereas any Nadal always has been.

2007 Gonzalez was one of the highest levels of any player in any slam, except Federer's was even better.

Djokovic had Olderer by the throat in first 2 sets of USO 2007, but choked. It was proof that even younger Djokovic could trouble Olderer on hard courts.

Gonzalez was basically an in form ballbasher getting hot, but completely losing it in the big final. With the form he displayed previously, you'd expect a tough 5 setter, not a routine 3 set beatdown. He played much better in QF/SF to be honest.

rocketassist
01-06-2012, 01:15 AM
Djokovic had Olderer by the throat in first 2 sets of USO 2007, but choked. It was proof that even younger Djokovic could trouble Olderer on hard courts.

Gonzalez was basically an in form ballbasher getting hot, but completely losing it in the big final. With the form he displayed previously, you'd expect a tough 5 setter, not a routine 3 set beatdown. He played much better in QF/SF to be honest.

that was a more aggressive Djokovic than this more defensive one. Very risk-prone.

juan27
01-06-2012, 01:52 AM
Olderer was lucky to have played where he faced clowns like Hewitt, Mugzalez, Phillipussy and washed up Drugassi :shrug: If he faced prime Nadal and Djokovic during his peak, his slam tally would have been much lower. When your biggest rivals are shit players like Roddick, Baldenko and Fatbandian, it's easy to look good :shrug:

jajajajaja.

bullshits like always.

nadull was lucky to have played in clay with fast courts specialists like federer.

he faced the most patetic era in clay , weak field.

where are the greatests specialist in clay????? ferrer, almagro or verdasco?????

even coria and gaudio were out in 2005.

nadull needs 5 sets to defeat past peak federer outside clay and nole was defeated by federer in rg and he need 5 sets with a miracle shot to defeat federer with 30 years old in us open.

nadal take advantage of the empy beetween 2008-2011 in fast courts , with only past peak federer with main rival , the rest of the field were patetic in that years like in 2010.

Sophocles
01-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Djokovic had Olderer by the throat in first 2 sets of USO 2007, but choked. It was proof that even younger Djokovic could trouble Olderer on hard courts.

This again.

Federer won that match in straight sets. Djokovic had his chances in every set, but Fed won the big points.

Exactly the same story as Federer's 2 straight-sets defeats to Djoker in the A.O. semis. Yet you don't hear Fed-haters citing those matches as "proof" that mono-/old-Fed can trouble Djoker on hard courts.

Logical
01-06-2012, 05:56 PM
Gonzalez vs Haas/Nadal in 07 is probably better tennis than Nadal/Djokovic have ever played in their career.:spit:Mugalez and tomuggy played better tennis then players who made Fedull cry:lol: Fedulltard logic:yeah:

Logical
01-06-2012, 05:58 PM
Olderer was lucky to have played where he faced clowns like Hewitt, Mugzalez, Phillipussy and washed up Drugassi :shrug: If he faced prime Nadal and Djokovic during his peak, his slam tally would have been much lower. When your biggest rivals are shit players like Roddick, Baldenko and Fatbandian, it's easy to look good :shrug:This.

HKz
01-06-2012, 06:22 PM
Olderer was lucky to have played where he faced clowns like Hewitt, Mugzalez, Phillipussy and washed up Drugassi :shrug: If he faced prime Nadal and Djokovic during his peak, his slam tally would have been much lower. When your biggest rivals are shit players like Roddick, Baldenko and Fatbandian, it's easy to look good :shrug:

Sad that Roddick, Davydenko and Nalbandian have denied Nadal and Djokovic titles over the years. Roddick even embarrassed defending champion Djokovic in 2009. I wonder what that makes them.

Saberq
01-06-2012, 06:59 PM
Sad that Roddick, Davydenko and Nalbandian have denied Nadal and Djokovic titles over the years. Roddick even embarrassed defending champion Djokovic in 2009. I wonder what that makes them.

I thought Nole retired due to heat stroke?????..............anyway he is talking about peak Novak not 2009 Novak

Looner
01-06-2012, 07:51 PM
This.

Your username has to be the single best example of irony in the known universe in the history of mankind, possibly ever.