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Peak Nalbandian or Peak Nadal... Whose game you prefer?

Shinoj
12-15-2011, 04:20 PM
Simple Question... Whose game you prefer watching?

Peak Nalbandian in the Avatar in which he was playing during 2006 and 2007 or Nadal

Some of the videos in which Nalby played some awesome Tennis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFdXTMuc64


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMXYkit4JO8&feature=related

Whose game?

Naudio Spanlatine
12-15-2011, 04:25 PM
:scratch: i love both players :scratch:

nalby was scary good

so was rafa......hmmmmmmm

Gabe32
12-15-2011, 04:25 PM
Wouldn't a Nadal fan prefer to watch Nadal and a Nalbandian fan prefer to watch Nalbandian?

samanosuke
12-15-2011, 04:26 PM
can you describe me peak nadal ?

Naudio Spanlatine
12-15-2011, 04:27 PM
can you describe me peak nadal ?

clay season 07- whole year 08 ;)

samanosuke
12-15-2011, 04:29 PM
clay season 07- whole year 08 ;)

ah... now i remember . golden moonballing times . i choose nalbandian

Gabe32
12-15-2011, 04:30 PM
And no offense to Nalbandian's "talent," but I think most people would watch the guy with 10 slams over the guy with 0.

Peak Nalbandian occurred in a McDonald's in 2006 I believe.

theKSHE
12-15-2011, 04:33 PM
I wouldn't.

Shirogane
12-15-2011, 04:38 PM
Neither would I. That would be called gloryhunting.

Fat Dave, fit Dave, plain Dave, any day.

Gabe32
12-15-2011, 04:48 PM
Fair enough, I will never get the obsession over this guy. He is very, very good ... but what has he done?

The only other player I hear of having so much "talent" (over even Federer) is Safin, and at least he won some slams.

At what slam did Nalbandian peak at? Or was it just at TMC in 05?

theKSHE
12-15-2011, 04:50 PM
The question itself is "Whose game you prefer", not whose peak is the best out of both players. It certainly doesn't depend on their achievements.

TBkeeper
12-15-2011, 04:51 PM
Peak Davydenko obviously ...

Shinoj
12-15-2011, 04:51 PM
Fair enough, I will never get the obsession over this guy. He is very, very good ... but what has he done?

The only other player I hear of having so much "talent" (over even Federer) is Safin, and at least he won some slams.

At what slam did Nalbandian peak at? Or was it just at TMC in 05?


U dont watch it from a fans perspective... Chances are you watch it from a Glory Hunters.. No offense mate but that what it sounds like. You are quoting achievements and Grand Slam while the question was simple.. Whos game would you prefer watching

Gabe32
12-15-2011, 04:52 PM
The question itself is "Whose game you prefer", not whose peak is the best out of both players. It certainly doesn't depend on their achievements.

The question is "Peak Nalbandian or Peak Nadal ... Whose game [do] you prefer?"

I was just asking where Nalbandian peaked? TMC 05, correct?

Gabe32
12-15-2011, 04:55 PM
U dont watch it from a fans perspective... Chances are you watch it from a Glory Hunters.. No offense mate but that what it sounds like. You are quoting achievements and Grand Slam while the question was simple.. Whos game would you prefer watching

I would prefer the player with the better game. The one who is capable of winning 10 slams and an Olympic gold medal. I think Nalbandian, while a very good player, is incapable of winning a slam. There are people on here that think he can STILL win a slam. The devotion to this guy is unbelievable.

Why is he incapable of winning a slam with all this talent? The most unfortunate set of circumstances ever, or was he really just that foolish to not care about his physique?

Apparently if you associate the word talent with a guy over a message board long enough, he becomes a living legend (ranked 64 at the moment with a losing record to Nadal).

Shinoj
12-15-2011, 05:02 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen.. Slams Olympic Medals come and Go

But there is only One... Only One... Only One.... David Nalbandiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn............


http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/nalbandian415.jpg

rocketassist
12-15-2011, 05:03 PM
Off of clay, Nalbandian in peak form wins this match-up. It is completely out of Nadal's hands.

Even Oldbandian outclassed him in the first set on a slowasfuck US Open surface, says it all.

Naudio Spanlatine
12-15-2011, 05:06 PM
nalby on any hard courts is dangerous to alot of opponents

rafa on any clay courts is dangerous to alot of opponents

HKz
12-15-2011, 05:08 PM
I prefer Nalbandian's game in general.

Sunset of Age
12-15-2011, 05:13 PM
Pretty hard to make a choice between these two players at their peak level, and I presume, on their most preferred surfaces - if you appreciate a variety of playing styles in tennis, like me.
Quite incomparable as both players - Nadal on clay, Nalby on HC - are/were nothing short of amazing in every regard at their top level.

The fact that Nadal has shown his top level of playing with much more consistency (four, five years, and perhaps counting?) than Nalbandian (only 'appears' in incidental HC- and DC matches) forces me to choose for Rafa, but I realize that this decision has nothing to do with the original question at subject in this thread. ;)

Nole Rules
12-15-2011, 05:28 PM
Any Dave is more enjoyable to watch than Nadal.

SetSampras
12-15-2011, 05:30 PM
Dave for sure.. I dont care much for the game of "peak moonballing" and standing 200 yards behind the baseline. Love Nadal's competitiveness.. His game style is absolutely ugly and ROTTEN IMO. Only time I found his game aesthetically pleasing was at the USO last year when he was serving big and hitting flatter and was closer to play to the baseline

Johnny Groove
12-15-2011, 05:41 PM
Gee, I wonder who will win this poll :rolleyes:

Nadal is the most hated player in MTF history.

Around here, you could put Nadal in a poll vs. Osama Bin Laden and Nadal would be the underdog.

Tzar
12-15-2011, 05:47 PM
Gee, I wonder who will win this poll :rolleyes:

Nadal is the most hated player in MTF history.

Around here, you could put Nadal in a poll vs. Osama Bin Laden and Nadal would be the underdog.


Says the guy who made up a story about having kid (who later died) with a lover named Rafaella.

Johnny Groove
12-15-2011, 06:04 PM
Says the guy who made up a story about having kid (who later died) with a lover named Rafaella.

...5 years ago.

Besides, what difference does it make? People on here would voted Apostle Judas over Nadal.

!VamosRafa!
12-15-2011, 06:22 PM
Rafa at his peak is 100 times better than this fat mug :o

Who cares what the haters think, Rafa will always have 10+ Grand Slams while Nalbandian will have his beloved Madrid and Paris from 2007 :lol:

Matt01
12-15-2011, 07:10 PM
Nadal ... Obviously

Mateya
12-15-2011, 07:15 PM
Even peak Seppi is more watchable than peak Nadal.

:zzz:

peRfect-Tennis
12-15-2011, 09:02 PM
Nalbandian all day long!

Chris Kuerten
12-15-2011, 09:04 PM
Peak Davydenko obviously ...
Peak Davydenko versus peak Nalbandian is like watching a ping-pong match.

Johnny Groove
12-15-2011, 09:10 PM
Peak Davydenko versus peak Nalbandian is like watching a ping-pong match.

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Good stuff, indeed.

TBkeeper
12-15-2011, 09:11 PM
Peak Davydenko versus peak Nalbandian is like watching a ping-pong match.

I was about to say that :D :D :D

Haelfix
12-15-2011, 09:15 PM
Rafa obviously is better overall, but Nalbandian had the prettier game. Its very hard to think of anyone who had a more aesthetically pleasing tennis game.

Topspindoctor
12-16-2011, 02:14 AM
Peak Nadal had every weapon in the game. Peak Clownbandian is an overrated indoor specialist. Bad forehand, overrated volleyer and no serve.

MatchFederer
12-16-2011, 02:21 AM
...5 years ago.

Besides, what difference does it make? People on here would voted Apostle Judas over Nadal.

5 Years ago, Federer had just won 3 slams and a YEC and people are STILL 'banging' on about it. :D

Touché?

stewietennis
12-16-2011, 02:59 AM
Rafa obviously is better overall, but Nalbandian had the prettier game. Its very hard to think of anyone who had a more aesthetically pleasing tennis game.

Federer. That wasn't too hard.

tripwires
12-16-2011, 03:09 AM
Nalbandian but he's one of my favourites so I'm biased.

Great video Johnny Groove. Thanks.

Pirata.
12-16-2011, 03:13 AM
Peak Nalbandian occurred in a McDonald's in 2006 I believe.

:haha:

Peak Fit Dave :drool:

rafa on any clay courts is dangerous to all opponents except Djokovic

Fixed :smooch:

Gee, I wonder who will win this poll :rolleyes:

Nadal is the most hated player in MTF history.

Around here, you could put Nadal in a poll vs. Osama Bin Laden and Nadal would be the underdog.

Only because Rafa would create an account on MTF and announce himself so :lol:

Naudio Spanlatine
12-16-2011, 03:18 AM
Pirata, of course:ras: :rolleyes:

Its ok hun:hug: :smooch:

HKz
12-16-2011, 03:39 AM
Peak Nadal had every weapon in the game. Peak Clownbandian is an overrated indoor specialist. Bad forehand, overrated volleyer and no serve.

Going by how you post and excuse Rafael, Nadal must of been injured when David embarrassed him two times in a row.

leng jai
12-16-2011, 04:19 AM
I would prefer the player with the better game. The one who is capable of winning 10 slams and an Olympic gold medal. I think Nalbandian, while a very good player, is incapable of winning a slam. There are people on here that think he can STILL win a slam. The devotion to this guy is unbelievable.

Why is he incapable of winning a slam with all this talent? The most unfortunate set of circumstances ever, or was he really just that foolish to not care about his physique?

Apparently if you associate the word talent with a guy over a message board long enough, he becomes a living legend (ranked 64 at the moment with a losing record to Nadal).

So in other words your source of entertainment is living vicariously through someone else's achievements.

Gabe32
12-16-2011, 04:27 AM
So in other words your source of entertainment is living vicariously through someone else's achievements.

What? I am just saying Nadal is 100x better than any version of Nalbandian.

I will never understand the cult of David Nalbandian found on this message board.

HKz
12-16-2011, 04:41 AM
What? I am just saying Nadal is 100x better than any version of Nalbandian.

I will never understand the cult of David Nalbandian found on this message board.

This thread has nothing to do with how successful a player is. It is merely which game do you prefer aesthetically.

How can you not understand how he is popular? He has wonderful, beautiful strokes and has a tremendous amount of talent and touch. Not to mention his variety and ability to play on all surfaces just adds to his legend. Just because he is weak mentally when it matters most doesn't mean anything. Sure it was frustrating throughout the years to watch him fall apart, but he certainly isn't the only non-slam winner with lots of talent. Take players like Mecir, Pioline, Leconte, Arazi, Rios, etc. They all oozed with talent, failed at winning slams, yet still are very popular.

Gabe32
12-16-2011, 04:44 AM
This thread has nothing to do with how successful a player is. It is merely which game do you prefer aesthetically.

How can you not understand how he is popular? He has wonderful, beautiful strokes and has a tremendous amount of talent and touch. Not to mention his variety and ability to play on all surfaces just adds to his legend. Just because he is weak mentally when it matters most doesn't mean anything. Sure it was frustrating throughout the years to watch him fall apart, but he certainly isn't the only non-slam winner with lots of talent. Take players like Mecir, Pioline, Leconte, Arazi, Rios, etc. They all oozed with talent, failed at winning slams, yet still are very popular.

I honestly have 0 against Nalbandian. I enjoy his game too, especially the great matches from 05-07ish. But you have to admit he is at least a little over-hyped, no? Perennial losers are usually ridiculed, especially on a place as immature as MTF. And yet for some reason, Nalbandian is treated as though he is the second coming.

Roddick, Del Potro, Nadal are all bashed considerably more than Nalbandian, and they all have accomplished something with their talent and proven their worth.

But I understand this is a preference thread, so there obviously isn't a wrong answer.

paseo
12-16-2011, 04:45 AM
Gee, I wonder who will win this poll :rolleyes:

Nadal is the most hated player in MTF history.

Around here, you could put Nadal in a poll vs. Osama Bin Laden and Nadal would be the underdog.

Nadal beat God in the Nadal vs God thread poll.

And stop exaggerating, Nadal lovers are plenty enough here to counter the haters.

HKz
12-16-2011, 04:54 AM
I honestly have 0 against Nalbandian. I enjoy his game too, especially the great matches from 05-07ish. But you have to admit he is at least a little over-hyped, no? Perennial losers are usually ridiculed, especially on a place as immature as MTF. And yet for some reason, Nalbandian is treated as though he is the second coming.

Roddick, Del Potro, Nadal are all bashed considerably more than Nalbandian, and they all have accomplished something with their talent and proven their worth.

But I understand this is a preference thread, so there obviously isn't a wrong answer.

Roddick because he is American. It adds to his hatred on the forum.
Del Potro is only hated by Rafatards since the 3 losses in a row, especially the loss at the US Open in 2009 kind of embarrassed them.
Nadal is bashed because, well, he is Nadal. Kind of self-explanatory.

For many, Nalbandian is kind of like Safin's case. Enormous talent, great to watch, nothing really controversial on/off court (except when it involves Hewitt) and so forth. Plus, at least he has won a TMC title unlike Nadal so there is something to cheer about here.

Puschkin
12-16-2011, 05:32 AM
David of course.

Nirjhor
12-16-2011, 06:47 AM
Nalbandian, without any doubt! :D

nole_no1
12-16-2011, 06:49 AM
Nalbandian any day

GSMnadal
12-16-2011, 06:53 AM
Nothing is more entertaining to watch, than peak Nadal for me. Blistering passing shots, dominating with his forehand, reaching stuff that ought to be unreachable.

Nalbandian's game never did anything to me, just another player.

fifthsetshootout
12-16-2011, 11:05 AM
Nadal is the more accomplished player--I don't think that needs to be stated again and again. That's obvious--anyone with access to the ATP site knows that.

For me, I'd still prefer to watch Nalbandian's tennis. At his peak, Nalbandian had a style that is inimitable and his BHs are swoon-worthy. Of course, style and BHs alone don't win Grand Slams, but I enjoy watching Nalbandian's tennis more than I do Nadal's (no offense to Rafa, whom I enjoy watching too--just not as much as Nalbandian at his peak).

Logical
12-16-2011, 12:04 PM
:facepalm: So many threatds hating El Matador. FedullTard mugs suck.

nalbyfan
12-16-2011, 12:28 PM
The most original and intelligent game = King David so guess who I prefer

Johnny Groove
12-16-2011, 01:19 PM
5 Years ago, Federer had just won 3 slams and a YEC and people are STILL 'banging' on about it. :D

Touché?

The Fedtards never let anything go :p

Nalbandian but he's one of my favourites so I'm biased.

Great video Johnny Groove. Thanks.

:yeah:

Only because Rafa would create an account on MTF and announce himself so :lol:

"Osama, he is tough opponent, no? He has strong forehand, and beard make George Bastl look clean shave. He is favorite for sure, no?"

Nadal beat God in the Nadal vs God thread poll.

And stop exaggerating, Nadal lovers are plenty enough here to counter the haters.

Oh yeah, I remember that thread from 08 :lol:

But Rafa can beat God, but he can't win a coin toss :lol:

Chirag
12-16-2011, 01:25 PM
Since its abaout the game I prefer offense to Defense .So Its Nalbandian for me

Shinoj
12-16-2011, 01:31 PM
Nothing is more entertaining to watch, than peak Nadal for me. Blistering passing shots, dominating with his forehand, reaching stuff that ought to be unreachable.

Nalbandian's game never did anything to me, just another player.



:zzz::zzz:

Logical
12-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Game you prefer may not always mean the game to win you.Who will you pick for playing for your lifes? I am confident all FedullTards who voted in the poll will pick El matador to play for their lifes.:wavey:

Shinoj
12-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Game you prefer may not always mean the game to win you.Who will you pick for playing for your lifes? I am confident all FedullTards who voted in the poll will pick El matador to play for their lifes.:wavey:

Its a real life not a fantasy.. Nothing ever happens like that.. Play for their lifes... :wavey:

abraxas21
12-16-2011, 02:05 PM
i dislike both for very different reasons but obviously in terms of tennis style nalbandian wins by miles to the point the comparison itself makes up for a funny joke.

i watched nalbandian play an exho v. ferrero last night. he is hitting the ball well but needs a little bit more consistency. he could have a good 2012 if he manages to avoid injuries and the burger king. knowing the guy, i'd say both things are very ulikely to be avoided...

abraxas21
12-16-2011, 02:07 PM
Game you prefer may not always mean the game to win you.Who will you pick for playing for your lifes? I am confident all FedullTards who voted in the poll will pick El matador to play for their lifes.:wavey:

it depends.

it it were a hot-dogs eating competition, i'd put my life on nalbandian

freeandlonely
12-16-2011, 03:27 PM
Nalbandian would dominate any poll only except when it comes to winning bet.

Shinoj
12-16-2011, 03:34 PM
The Poll Results and the responses of the Users show the Gulfing Gap between what the fans want to see,i.e. to see people with talent succeed because obviously each fan wants to enjoy the game,first and foremost,and what ATP is offering right now, with all the Slow Slow courts, and as a result people like Nadal, with so less talent, are making a killing.

But i dont want to spoil my fun on focussing on that aspect and ignoring the fun which i have watching tennis.i.e to see people like Nalby play and win.

Thats why.... Go Nalby you fuckin Animal


http://gototennis.com/wp-content/uploads/tennis.com/uploadedImages/Editorial/General/2006_09_23_Nalbandian_article.jpg

Naudio Spanlatine
12-16-2011, 04:40 PM
Nalbandian would dominate any poll only except when it comes to winning bet.

of course cause no one like his "moonballing" and him himself so much so........go figure:p

TBkeeper
12-16-2011, 06:00 PM
Davydenko > Nadal
/thread.....

luie
12-16-2011, 06:40 PM
Game you prefe may not always mean the game to win you.Who will you pick for playing for your lifes? I am confident all FedullTards who voted in the poll will pick El matador to play for their lifes.:wavey:
Negative. If you didn't know the surface / conditions before hand most logical people would choose fed. Because he is a superior clay player than nadull is an indoor player .
If you had to choose a player to take back in time it would be fed. Nadull is at the core a moo baller that got lucky with today's slow conditions and advanced technology

Schu
12-16-2011, 08:20 PM
Perfect example to spark the tried old debate about "talent" vs "results".

Some people prefer watching a player who wins even if it means winning ugly (ie. pushing or ball bashing) and others (those who appreciate the art/skill of tennis over just results) prefer watching a player who has all the shots and uses them like a chess master - aka Nalbandian.

I like and appreciate the grit and guts that guys like Nadal and Frerer play with but for pure enjoyment of the art and sport of tennis nothing beats watching a player like Nalbandian. What did Nalby do? He was a top 10 player for something like 8 years in a row, was ranked as high as #3, a wimbly finalist - a resume 95% of the players on tour would kill for.

stewietennis
12-16-2011, 08:59 PM
Pretty tennis doesn't always mean you have talent. And vice versa, having talent doesn't mean you'll play pretty tennis. Federer plays pretty tennis and gets the results. Gasquet plays pretty tennis and has no results.

However, talent + other X factors = winning.

fifthsetshootout
12-17-2011, 09:10 AM
Perfect example to spark the tried old debate about "talent" vs "results".

Some people prefer watching a player who wins even if it means winning ugly (ie. pushing or ball bashing) and others (those who appreciate the art/skill of tennis over just results) prefer watching a player who has all the shots and uses them like a chess master - aka Nalbandian.

I like and appreciate the grit and guts that guys like Nadal and Frerer play with but for pure enjoyment of the art and sport of tennis nothing beats watching a player like Nalbandian. What did Nalby do? He was a top 10 player for something like 8 years in a row, was ranked as high as #3, a wimbly finalist - a resume 95% of the players on tour would kill for.

Well said and fair to both sides in the "Who would you rather watch? Peak-Nalbandian or peak-Nadal?" debate.

2003
12-17-2011, 10:33 AM
For those in any doubt, Peak Nalbandian occured back to back in 2007;

Madrid Masters, Def Nadal 6-1 6-2
Paris Masters, Def Nadal 6-4 6-0

Hope this helps

:bowdown: fit Dave

GSMnadal
12-17-2011, 10:44 AM
For those in any doubt, Peak Nalbandian occured back to back in 2007;

Madrid Masters, Def Nadal 6-1 6-2
Paris Masters, Def Nadal 6-4 6-0

Hope this helps

:bowdown: fit Dave

Good to see he peaked for the right tournaments, sign of a true great

Chirag
12-17-2011, 12:20 PM
Good to see he peaked for the right tournaments, sign of a true great

what does that post have to do with this thread :confused:

Vida
12-17-2011, 12:31 PM
well nalbandian was quite interesting to watch when playing well. and he does have more variations in his game than nadal. mainly his BH, an incredible shot, and overall well-roundedness, net game was there, return, slice whatever, BUT nadal is a unique player in his own right, no question about that. his clay game, as it was in 08 thats just so good, anybody whos played on clay just cant turn away from him. for stretches it appeared as he was designed to be absolutely not playable on the surface, esp in light of his destruction of federer, who was lauded as having the greatest game of all time. so I vote for nadal, though I have to admit, in this particular choice, Im partly led by the fact I like and respect nadal as a player much much more than nalbandian. also, I cant escape the impression that, similarly as was with safin, at the root cause of their lack of success, lays not only the mental aspect (as is often pushed by their fans), but a certain game-aspect, that being in nalbandians case, a lack of a massive, decisive, weapon.

Shirogane
12-17-2011, 12:54 PM
what does that have to do with this thread :confused:Exactly.

Simple Question... Whose game you prefer watching?

Shinoj
12-17-2011, 01:09 PM
Winning all those Slams and still as unpopular as ever. His fans would feel pathetic right now, i would imagine:lol:

Vida
12-17-2011, 01:12 PM
Winning all those Slams and still as unpopular as ever. His fans would feel pathetic right now, i would imagine:lol:

unpopular? nadal?

I think he is among the most globally popular athletes now.

Shinoj
12-17-2011, 01:28 PM
unpopular? nadal?

I think he is among the most globally popular athletes now.


Nalbandian with so less achievement is way way more popular than Nadal. Saying that because Most of them prefer watching Nalbandian's style than Nadal...

You must be confusing knowing Nadal and hence he is popular than adoring Nadal and hence he is popular. Most of the fans just know Nadal.. Not many adore him... Only the Gloryhunters adore him... :lol: except...I might add NadalMyHero :)

oranges
12-17-2011, 10:10 PM
And no offense to Nalbandian's "talent," but I think most people would watch the guy with 10 slams over the guy with 0.



That must be why the match of the old geezers Dave and Hewitt was the best match at AO for the majority of the people.

stewietennis
12-18-2011, 08:42 PM
Winning all those Slams and still as unpopular as ever. His fans would feel pathetic right now, i would imagine:lol:

Why would the opinions on others affect how much people admire a player?

Topspindoctor
12-19-2011, 03:29 AM
Talent can only be judged objectively by results. In this case, Nadal has 10 slams and Fatbandian has 0 and that is a fact. Saying bullshit like "he has beautiful strokes" is merely a fanboy opinion and carries zero weight. I happen to think Nadal has better strokes than the Argentine - it's my personal opinion. I don't give a fuck what some Clownbandian fan thinks because his hero lucked out a couple of tournaments and got humiliated in the only slam final he reached. The only non-biased way to judge a player is on results and in that regard Nadal is in another universe compared to that fat mug.

The poll result isn't surprising: Fedtards and haters voting against a much better and talented player no matter what. Never in fucking doubt.

abraxas21
12-19-2011, 03:45 AM
Talent can only be judged objectively by results.

uhmmm, no.

Shinoj
12-19-2011, 05:28 AM
Talent can only be judged objectively by results. In this case, Nadal has 10 slams and Fatbandian has 0 and that is a fact. Saying bullshit like "he has beautiful strokes" is merely a fanboy opinion and carries zero weight. I happen to think Nadal has better strokes than the Argentine - it's my personal opinion. I don't give a fuck what some Clownbandian fan thinks because his hero lucked out a couple of tournaments and got humiliated in the only slam final he reached. The only non-biased way to judge a player is on results and in that regard Nadal is in another universe compared to that fat mug.

The poll result isn't surprising: Fedtards and haters voting against a much better and talented player no matter what. Never in fucking doubt.


:lol:.. When did anyone say that " We have to judge Talent" in the first place

SetSampras
12-19-2011, 05:33 AM
I don't think you HAVE to by default choose Nadal or Dave just because he has 10 slams to Dave's 0. I could watch Peak Nalbandian of 2007 ( his form vs. Fed) play all day long and never get tired of watching it.. Nadal's style can get old pretty quick. Dave could hit even the best off the court in his day.. Nadal prefers the topspin moonballs to the BH which can get AWFULLY tiresome to watch

More impressive to see someone completely hit the opponent off the court with big flat groundies with pace

Shirogane
12-19-2011, 10:08 AM
The poll result isn't surprising: Fedtards and haters voting against a much better and talented player no matter what. Never in fucking doubt.Fedtards? Haters? :lol: I guess you also have to add Nole fans :yeah:, even Fed haters :eek: to the mix, judging by the replies; though to be fair, 32 votes is already pretty impressive IMO.

Orka_n
12-19-2011, 11:53 AM
Talent can only be judged objectively by results.Untrue. There are many other factors needed to achieve results besides pure talent. Examples include physical endurance and mental strength (both in which Nadal greatly surpasses Nalbandian).

To answer the poll:
Nalbandian by about a million miles.

Gabe32
12-19-2011, 06:24 PM
Talent can only be judged objectively by results.

YES. This is easily the most unpopular thing I've said on these boards, but it couldn't be more true.

If someone steals one slam, that can be seen a fluke. Perhaps if Nalbandian was in better shape at a crucial juncture in his career (a slam), he would have enough talent to win it. That is why I can accept the argument that Del Potro's success is a little flukey (though I completely disagree -- he is a very, very solid player).

TEN slams and a gold medal, on all the surfaces (even on the "homogenized" surfaces of today) is an indication of an incredible amount of talent and consistency.

Nadal is much better at tennis than Nalbandian. Obviously, people are free to have their favorites and preferences though.

Gabe32
12-19-2011, 06:36 PM
Untrue. There are many other factors needed to achieve results besides pure talent. Examples include physical endurance and mental strength (both in which Nadal greatly surpasses Nalbandian).


There can be some outliers/anomalies, but over 6-8 years? Ten slams? How lucky do you think Nadal is? And how unlucky is Nalbandian?

What is much, much more likely is that Nadal is better at tennis than Nalbandian. Nalbandian might look more aesthetically pleasing when he plays, but that is about it.

barbadosan
12-19-2011, 09:19 PM
There can be some outliers/anomalies, but over 6-8 years? Ten slams? How lucky do you think Nadal is? And how unlucky is Nalbandian?

What is much, much more likely is that Nadal is better at tennis than Nalbandian. Nalbandian might look more aesthetically pleasing when he plays, but that is about it.

But isn't the question, whose game do you prefer? - not who is better at tennis or anything of that ilk - plain and simple, whose game do you prefer. YOu can't legislate other people's preferences for them

Gabe32
12-19-2011, 09:59 PM
Nadal is much better at tennis than Nalbandian. Obviously, people are free to have their favorites and preferences though.


But isn't the question, whose game do you prefer? - not who is better at tennis or anything of that ilk - plain and simple, whose game do you prefer. YOu can't legislate other people's preferences for them

Yeah. Thanks.

Gabe32
12-19-2011, 10:16 PM
Who is more talented at tennis?

Mods please do not delete this. It is just a simple poll.

SetSampras
12-19-2011, 10:27 PM
From a "pure talent" perspective I think Dave is actually more talented then Nadal.. Too bad he never had 1/10th the focus and desire on the game. Dave and Marat were two of the most talented players we have had in the last 20 years. If you ask me who are the most talented players in the last 20-30 years.. Nalbandian and Marat would be on my short list of pure talented guys.

stewietennis
12-19-2011, 10:38 PM
I think this one will be merged with the other thread.

Gabe32
12-19-2011, 10:39 PM
I think this one will be merged with the other thread.

I would really appreciate it if it were not merged. As people have noted in the other thread, the player a person prefers does not have to be the more talented player.

I am very interested to see if people feel Nalbandian is more talented than Nadal.

HKz
12-19-2011, 11:15 PM
In terms of tennis, not counting shit like physical ability, mental strength, etc I would have to say the clear favorite is Nalbandian. Nadal is more a player who heavily relies on his physical strength and obviously his mental fortitude. Also, he is a player produced more from technology of the game as well.

Topspindoctor
12-19-2011, 11:25 PM
Nadal. Fatbandian is overrated as hell on these forums. He is not some sort of a tennis God who would win 20 slams if he tried - he's really a mediocre player who got humiliated in his one slam final he fluked.

Mountaindewslave
12-19-2011, 11:25 PM
Talented as far as tennis includes many different aspects. natural touch, technique, fitness, mental fortitude. unfortunate Nalbandian as only a few of these. Although he definitely is better as far as touch and technique is concerned, he misses a few components.

Nadal has them all. he is the more talented of the two. people can go on and on about how Nalbandian is the most talented player there ever was who never applied himself but in reality results speak for themselves. Nadal is one of the most talented tennis players of all time BECAUSE he has the variety of facets necessary to be on top of the game, and David doesn't.

Gabe32
12-19-2011, 11:39 PM
Now neither thread makes sense. Everything is pretty muddled.

Great, thanks.

Swiss Mountain
12-20-2011, 12:27 AM
Nalbandian should have won a slam if not for Federer

Egreen
12-20-2011, 01:15 AM
Nalby's game is more easy on the eyes. :p




Peak Nalbandian occurred in a McDonald's in 2006 I believe.


:spit:

Ajk822
12-20-2011, 02:36 AM
Nadal. Fatbandian is overrated as hell on these forums. He is not some sort of a tennis God who would win 20 slams if he tried - he's really a mediocre player who got humiliated in his one slam final he fluked.

You really need to read up on what "talent" means. I'm not saying Nadal isn't talented, but he's not as talented as Nalbandian.

Gabe32
12-20-2011, 02:42 AM
You really need to read up on what "talent" means. I'm not saying Nadal isn't talented, but he's not as talented as Nalbandian.

I think he posted that post in my thread entitled "who is more talented" but the moderators thought it would be the end of the world if that thread existed, so they merged it into this one. Now it is a little confusing.

Orka_n
12-20-2011, 02:46 AM
There can be some outliers/anomalies, but over 6-8 years? Ten slams? How lucky do you think Nadal is? And how unlucky is Nalbandian?Learn to read. I said nothing about luck.

Gabe32
12-20-2011, 02:58 AM
Learn to read. I said nothing about luck.

Physical endurance and mental strength are the reasons why Nalbandian has never won a slam?

He has no physical endurance because he doesn't take his body seriously.

And mental strength is just an excuse.

Mystique
12-20-2011, 03:49 AM
Rafa is ten times the champion Nalbandian is, he is a better tennis player. But purely game wise, it is not even close. Dave's game is sheer joy. Oh that Backhand:worship:

Shinoj
12-20-2011, 04:54 AM
I would really appreciate it if it were not merged. As people have noted in the other thread, the player a person prefers does not have to be the more talented player.

I am very interested to see if people feel Nalbandian is more talented than Nadal.

Most of them prefer a more talented player. Its a rule of the thumb.

So thats why I for one prefer Nalbandian over Nadal. So to answer your question an Emphatic Yes Nalbandian is way more talented than Nadal.

Shinoj
12-20-2011, 04:56 AM
Nadal. Fatbandian is overrated as hell on these forums. He is not some sort of a tennis God who would win 20 slams if he tried - he's really a mediocre player who got humiliated in his one slam final he fluked.


You are a confused guy really.. Its a simple question being asked again and again. Whose game you prefer, who is more talented etc. Its not a Rocket science. :rolleyes:

Shinoj
12-20-2011, 04:58 AM
Talented as far as tennis includes many different aspects. natural touch, technique, fitness, mental fortitude. unfortunate Nalbandian as only a few of these. Although he definitely is better as far as touch and technique is concerned, he misses a few components.

Nadal has them all. he is the more talented of the two. people can go on and on about how Nalbandian is the most talented player there ever was who never applied himself but in reality results speak for themselves. Nadal is one of the most talented tennis players of all time BECAUSE he has the variety of facets necessary to be on top of the game, and David doesn't.


You were going good at the start.

Talent does mean natural Touch and technique. But fitness Mental Fortitude ?? Where did that become part of Talent.

Gabe32
12-20-2011, 10:57 AM
Most of them prefer a more talented player. Its a rule of the thumb.

So thats why I for one prefer Nalbandian over Nadal. So to answer your question an Emphatic Yes Nalbandian is way more talented than Nadal.

Could you explain why Nadal has 10 slams, a gold medal, and a few year end #1's?

Nalbandian just has that Youtube compilation of TMC from '05 and is currently ranked in the 60's.

I don't even like Nadal that much! It is just insane how much respect Nalbandian gets on these boards. Slams are a great indicator of talent, since it is an objective competition between 128+ tennis players. Therefor:

Roger Federer > Nadal > Djokovic > Nalbandian/MTF posters/Barack Obama.

tennishero
12-20-2011, 11:43 AM
Could you explain why Nadal has 10 slams, a gold medal, and a few year end #1's?

Nalbandian just has that Youtube compilation of TMC from '05 and is currently ranked in the 60's.

I don't even like Nadal that much! It is just insane how much respect Nalbandian gets on these boards. Slams are a great indicator of talent, since it is an objective competition between 128+ tennis players. Therefor:

Roger Federer > Nadal > Djokovic > Nalbandian/MTF posters/Barack Obama.


Nalbandian has been injured most of the last few years, even so... he won an ATP 500 event after being out for almost a year.

Shinoj
12-20-2011, 11:44 AM
Could you explain why Nadal has 10 slams, a gold medal, and a few year end #1's?

Nalbandian just has that Youtube compilation of TMC from '05 and is currently ranked in the 60's.

I don't even like Nadal that much! It is just insane how much respect Nalbandian gets on these boards. Slams are a great indicator of talent, since it is an objective competition between 128+ tennis players. Therefor:

Roger Federer > Nadal > Djokovic > Nalbandian/MTF posters/Barack Obama.


Again how much Nadal has Grand Slams, what has that to do with the Topic :rolleyes:

nalbyfan
12-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Again how much Nadal has Grand Slams, what has that to do with the Topic :rolleyes:

Nothing but some members are obsessed by GS even if it's not a good indicator of how great a player is (see Noah, Gaudio who are not great)

Orka_n
12-20-2011, 01:48 PM
Physical endurance and mental strength are the reasons why Nalbandian has never won a slam?Yes.
He has no physical endurance because he doesn't take his body seriously.Irrelevant. You agree with me on his body issues. I never said it was somebody else's fault.
And mental strength is just an excuse.:lol: Tell that to Verdasco

Matt01
12-20-2011, 08:17 PM
Nalbandian has been injured most of the last few years, even so... he won an ATP 500 event after being out for almost a year.


:spit: True signs of Nalbandian being GOAT.

samanosuke
12-20-2011, 08:21 PM
just few peak versions in today's tennis can deal with peak dave and nadal's version isn't one of them

freeandlonely
12-20-2011, 09:50 PM
The poll says all
but credits to Nadal for his dedication and blame Nalby for his everything

nalbyfan
12-21-2011, 08:37 AM
Nalby has no physical endurance really ? Why did he win Master 2005 in 5 sets ?
Why did he win his match vs Hewitt in AO 2011 in 5 sets ?
Why did he win a lot of 5 setters in his career (vs Tursunov RG 2006, vs Grosjean AO 2007 etc..)
All those 5 setters won prove he has both physical and mental resistance