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What's your ethnicity?

abraxas21
10-26-2011, 09:03 PM
somehow i figure MTF is whiter than a tea party convention but anyhow, this seems like a pretty international site so have your say.

as far as im aware, i am a typical latin american mestizo. i.e. partly spanish and partly american indian.

i like to think that on the spanish side i also have some moorish ancentry given that most spanish have moorish blood running thru their veins.

what about you?

Roadmap
10-26-2011, 09:08 PM
Purple British.

buddyholly
10-26-2011, 09:11 PM
was

Lopez
10-26-2011, 09:12 PM
Probably as white/caucasian as it gets, Finns aren't exactly known for having a wide gene pool... Inbred bunch we are :lol:

Roadmap
10-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Our entire species is inbred which is why there is such a predominance of mental diseases. It is a result of how few Homo Sapiens were left after that volcano went of in or near modern day Indonesia about 70 000 years ago.

Pirata.
10-26-2011, 09:19 PM
African American, but my paternal great-grandfather was Portuguese and my maternal great-grandmother was Shawnee.

Henry Chinaski
10-26-2011, 10:52 PM
inbred gignger freckled irish

I like to class my ethnicity as "Gooch"

Seingeist
10-26-2011, 11:14 PM
somehow i figure MTF is whiter than a tea party convention but anyhow, this seems like a pretty international site so have your say.

A fantastic tone with which to kick off this kind of thread! :yeah:

I know I can't wait to play!

Filo V.
10-26-2011, 11:27 PM
American Indian, African (originally the Republic of Mali), White (German), Spanish (I know it's a Southern colony, but I forgot the name).

Mix that up, and you have the beautiful hotness which is me.

Getta
10-26-2011, 11:41 PM
athenian of greek, albanian and slavic ancestry

cobalt60
10-27-2011, 12:14 AM
russian, moroccan, polish

Sophocles
10-27-2011, 12:20 AM
Combination of Anglo-Saxon & Swiss. I take the good bits from both.

fast_clay
10-27-2011, 12:26 AM
6th generation post-convict anglo-celt redneck

Ilovetheblues_86
10-27-2011, 12:27 AM
From my grandgrandparents I can say I am 50% italian, 37,5% german and 12,5% portuguese.

habibko
10-27-2011, 01:14 AM
mainly Uzbek, my paternal grandmother is half-Uzbek half Afghan, my maternal grandfather is a Sayyid (therefore a Quraishi Arab), my maternal grandmother is half-Tajek half-Uzbek, rest is Uzbek

Topspindoctor
10-27-2011, 01:25 AM
From father's side, grandparents were from England, from mother's side from Finland. I classify myself as a caucasian Australian with european roots :shrug:

out_here_grindin
10-27-2011, 01:32 AM
3/8 Italian, 3/8 French, 2/8 Scottish

fast_clay
10-27-2011, 01:41 AM
From father's side, grandparents were from England, from mother's side from Finland. I classify myself as a caucasian redneck with european roots :shrug:

fixed

Naudio Spanlatine
10-27-2011, 01:42 AM
Black, either 1/8 or 1/4 Native Indian American(miccosukee)

Topspindoctor
10-27-2011, 01:43 AM
fixed

Redneck is a yank term, which I am not. You sound pretty angry, are you from some third world country living in poverty angry at the "white devil" oppressing you? :shrug:

fast_clay
10-27-2011, 01:47 AM
Redneck is a yank term, which I am not. You sound pretty angry, are you from some third world country living in poverty angry at the "white devil" oppressing you? :shrug:

australian's are just yanks of the southern hemispehere so the term fits...

Topspindoctor
10-27-2011, 01:58 AM
australian's are just yanks of the southern hemispehere so the term fits...

Well, it sure doesn't stop boatloads of refugees from swarming into our country every day :shrug: If we are so bad, maybe we should be left alone, yeah? It's not like Australia has great economy, easy lifestyle and job opportunities for everyone who's willing to work....and millions of starved and poverty ridden people from supposedly "non redneck countries" would cut their arm off just to get a chance to live here :shrug:

fast_clay
10-27-2011, 02:01 AM
Well, it sure doesn't stop boatloads of refugees from swarming into our country every day :shrug: If we are so bad, maybe we should be left alone, yeah? It's not like Australia has great economy, easy lifestyle and job opportunities for everyone who's willing to work....and millions of starved and poverty ridden people from supposedly "non redneck countries" would cut their arm off just to get a chance to live here :shrug:

hey hey now... calm down and spare me the sermon... i'm also australian and you my friend are a redneck...

Topspindoctor
10-27-2011, 02:04 AM
hey hey now... calm down and spare me the sermon... i'm also australian and you are a redneck...

I have trouble believing you...your views and opinions are akin to someone from a socialist third world country, not a great country like Australia.

fast_clay
10-27-2011, 02:08 AM
I have trouble believing you...your views and opinions are akin to someone from a socialist third world country, not a great country like Australia.

ok... you are a bogan from geelong like bolar then... same shit different bucket...

jmjhb
10-27-2011, 02:09 AM
I have trouble believing you...your views and opinions are akin to someone from a socialist third world country, not a great country like Australia.

:lol:

At least he doesn't have views such as these:

Most of the poor and the unemployed are there because of decisions of their own making such as drug abuse, unwillingness to work and blaming others for their failures.

Why should guys who work hard all their life and make endless sacrifices carry the trash of society on their backs?

I am not a rich person, to be honest I don't make enough to be even able to afford overpriced London Olympics - however I still don't think guys like Nadal and Fed should get milked just because they make a lot of money.

We shouldn't encourage the behavior of believing the people who make a lot of money owe some trailer trash something. THAT is what is wrong with the society today. Belief of self-entitlement.

Topspindoctor
10-27-2011, 02:12 AM
ok... you are a bogan from geelong like bolar then... same shit different bucket...

As you say, though I'd rather be a bogan than a brainwashed, politically correct drone :wavey:

:lol:

At least he doesn't have views such as these:

See above. I can actually think for myself, not parrot everything US influenced media tells me to :wavey:

rocketassist
10-27-2011, 02:58 AM
May as well start calling him Thatcher's Spin Doctor.

Har-Tru
10-27-2011, 08:42 AM
I tried, I really tried, but as much as I wanted to trace back every single one of my ancestors looks to be as Spanish as tennis grunting.

Like abraxas, I like to think I have some Arab or Jewish blood, but actually most Spaniards don't.


I find these maps interesting:

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf

bokehlicious
10-27-2011, 08:55 AM
My ancestors from centuries ago were supposed to be Spanish and Italian.

JolánGagó
10-27-2011, 09:42 AM
I find these maps interesting:

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf

Fascinating matter.

Funny the highest concentration of the oldest European lineages (pre-neolithic) are in Iberian peninsule and British Islands. Rest of Europe is basically neolithic inmigrants from Asia.

Of course we all came from Africa in the first place.

cobalt60
10-27-2011, 10:59 AM
I tried, I really tried, but as much as I wanted to trace back every single one of my ancestors looks to be as Spanish as tennis grunting.

Like abraxas, I like to think I have some Arab or Jewish blood, but actually most Spaniards don't.


I find these maps interesting:

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf

Well I guess if I want to go back that far I can say the Moroccan side was definitely from Spain. Always nice to see you post Jose :hug:

Johnny Groove
10-27-2011, 11:03 AM
English, Irish, German from my Dad's side.

French, Swiss, African (former slave, somewhere from Africa's West Coast), Portugese, Haitian, Jamaican, and American Indian (Angonkian from Pennsylvania) from my Mom's side.

Nikki♥
10-27-2011, 11:29 AM
Czech/Polish from my mother's and German/Italian from my father's side. :angel:

Chase Visa
10-27-2011, 11:40 AM
5/8th's English, 1/8th's Scottish, 1/8th's Welsh, 1/8th's Irish I think.

In other word's, a typical 5th generation or whatever Anglo-Aussie.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-27-2011, 11:41 AM
Hungarian. Part jewish. I have french relatives.

leng jai
10-27-2011, 11:53 AM
Serbian

vucina
10-27-2011, 12:29 PM
Serbian

I thought you were pure Michaeljacksonian. But never mind, I'm glad you're one of us bro.

Harmless
10-27-2011, 12:35 PM
South Slavic 100 percent, but with (very) distant Hungarian roots on one side, which I blame for the red hair, and Turkish/Arabic on the other, which I blame for the nose.

cobalt60
10-27-2011, 12:38 PM
South Slavic 100 percent, but with (very) distant Hungarian roots on one side, which I blame for the red hair, and Turkish/Arabic on the other, which I blame for the nose.

:lol:

abraxas21
10-27-2011, 12:54 PM
fast clay's ownage of topspindoctor was hilarious

Sham Kay
10-27-2011, 04:36 PM
I'm a direct mix of Sri Lankan and Scottish, as far as I know. Not sure how to trace back any further due to lack of a family, so I'm just assuming that's all my background is.

Whatever the case it's resulted in me having a lightly tanned bronzish skin colour akin to Verdasco. DNA and wild ethnicity combinations aye? We're brought into the world through one badass Genes lottery.

Everko
10-27-2011, 04:49 PM
I am something like 60% Berber and 25% Arab. My dad always claims there is some French on my mom's side but I have seen no evidence of that so I leave 5% for that.

Pirata.
10-27-2011, 08:36 PM
American Indian, African (originally the Republic of Mali), White (German), Spanish (I know it's a Southern colony, but I forgot the name).

Mix that up, and you have the beautiful hotness which is me.

What a shame you're gay :drool: :p

I am something like 60% Berber and 25% Arab. My dad always claims there is some French on my mom's side but I have seen no evidence of that so I leave 5% for that.

What about the other 10% :scratch:

Sofonda Cox
10-27-2011, 08:43 PM
Lemons.

Orka_n
10-27-2011, 09:51 PM
1/8 jew, 7/8 caucasian (don't know the details here though).

the biscuit
10-28-2011, 07:05 PM
Mother's side: 99.9% Flemish. I see one Italian name in that huge tree and that's it. They even stayed in the same place. Father's side, my last name is North-French so not very exciting, my ancestors didn't travel very long. But for the rest there isn't a lot of data on father's side, so I don't know. I tried to look it up once with my grandmother but after two bastards we gave up - it's impossible that way.

Helevorn
10-28-2011, 09:02 PM
I don't really know if there are unbiased terms in order to define one's ethnicity.. btw my entire family has been living in Emilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia-Romagna) for centuries, so - apart from some distant relatives from the northernmost part of Italy and from Innsbruck - I'm 100% Emilian.. since in Italy pretty much every region or macro-region has its own peculiar somatic traits..

The fact that virtually every Emilian has green/blue eyes and a lighter skin than other Northern Italians from Veneto or Lombardy is one of the many results of the massive presence of the celts so-called cisalpine gauls and/or boii and - mainly - of more than one millennium of German and Austrian reign (and consequent migrations - the Este family who ruled my province for 600 years originates from Mainz). Unfortunately now we have mafia, incompetent politicians and rampant lawlessness, this is why I miss Austria.., but we have to be satisfied of our own identity as Emilians I think.. alas!

(Yeah Bolelli is Emilian but don't take him as an example..... :angel:)

LawrenceOfTennis
10-28-2011, 09:13 PM
I don't really know if there are unbiased terms in order to define one's ethnicity.. btw my entire family has been living in Emilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia-Romagna) for centuries, so - apart from some distant relatives from the northernmost part of Italy and from Innsbruck - I'm 100% Emilian.. since in Italy pretty much every region or macro-region has its own peculiar somatic traits..

The fact that virtually every Emilian has green/blue eyes and a lighter skin than other Northern Italians from Veneto or Lombardy is one of the many results of the massive presence of the celts so-called cisalpine gauls and/or boii and - mainly - of more than one millennium of German and Austrian reign (and consequent migrations - the Este family who ruled my province for 600 years originates from Mainz). Unfortunately now we have mafia, incompetent politicians and rampant lawlessness, this is why I miss Austria.., but we have to be satisfied of our own identity as Emilians I think.. alas!

(Yeah Bolelli is Emilian but don't take him as an example..... :angel:)

Emilia Romagna:worship:

Edda
11-01-2011, 01:51 AM
German and Italian

Rafa = Fed Killa
11-02-2011, 03:52 AM
Not "white"

Won't specify as the Fedtards will use racist terms as personal attacks and I don't want to give them any ammo

shiaben
11-02-2011, 04:00 AM
I'm Iranian clearly. I wanted to say I'm not sure why the word Caucasian is still preferably and continually used over White. The word should really be used for people from the Caucasus.

Mjau!
11-02-2011, 04:18 AM
I have some foreing in me...

1/8

Mjau!
11-02-2011, 04:19 AM
I have some foreing in me...

1/8

No, is 1/4.

Caesar1844
11-02-2011, 07:18 AM
Awesome thread. Now I know who to be racist towards.

Nikki♥
11-02-2011, 07:28 AM
I don't really know if there are unbiased terms in order to define one's ethnicity.. btw my entire family has been living in Emilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilia-Romagna) for centuries, so - apart from some distant relatives from the northernmost part of Italy and from Innsbruck - I'm 100% Emilian.. since in Italy pretty much every region or macro-region has its own peculiar somatic traits..

The fact that virtually every Emilian has green/blue eyes and a lighter skin than other Northern Italians from Veneto or Lombardy is one of the many results of the massive presence of the celts so-called cisalpine gauls and/or boii and - mainly - of more than one millennium of German and Austrian reign (and consequent migrations - the Este family who ruled my province for 600 years originates from Mainz). Unfortunately now we have mafia, incompetent politicians and rampant lawlessness, this is why I miss Austria.., but we have to be satisfied of our own identity as Emilians I think.. alas!

(Yeah Bolelli is Emilian but don't take him as an example..... :angel:)

Emilia Romagna:worship:

My dad was born near Bologna. :cool:
He's darkish blonde with blue eyes too, he's only half Italian though.

solowyn
11-02-2011, 09:34 AM
Finn/British. Unsurprisingly, I don't tan well.

FormerRafaFan
11-03-2011, 09:46 PM
Norwegian I guess.. and caucasian

Chair Umpire
04-08-2013, 02:44 PM
as far as im aware, i am a typical latin american mestizo. i.e. partly spanish and partly american indian.

I'm glad to find a true chilean who is not afraid of his ethnics background. The Mapuches and the Rapanui are two fascinating tribes, especially the Rapanui. I hope to visit Pascua Island some day and learn more about the moáis:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2dxPLWHBR4k/UC61rQrRwTI/AAAAAAAAAEk/c7rerQJmBgM/s1600/400_1240675656_moais-rapa-nui-chile.jpg

It's sad that not everyone in Chile seems to be as proud as you are about your amerindian roots. I know that some people in Chile tend to change their amerindian surnames to make them sound more "european". I also watched a TV report some years ago about Chile's issues on accepting it's racial identity.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/fellows/chile_2008/

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http://i49.tinypic.com/5ygevc.jpghttp://i50.tinypic.com/149niwi.jpg

GSMnadal
04-08-2013, 03:05 PM
50% Dutch, 50% English. And Caucasian.

GOATsol
04-08-2013, 03:36 PM
south indian

star
04-08-2013, 03:59 PM
Swedish on my father's side. My mother was adopted so not sure. She was raised by swedes, so normally I just say Swedish. She had fair akin, light eyes and light brown hair with red tints - so some sort of European stock given where she was born etc.

Punky
04-08-2013, 04:02 PM
A very proud Israeli Jewish, not a proud banker...



Bummer ur not uploading picture some of u must be very special

abraxas21
04-08-2013, 04:21 PM
I'm glad to find a true chilean who is not afraid of his ethnics background. The Mapuches and the Rapanui are two fascinating tribes, especially the Rapanui. I hope to visit Pascua Island some day and learn more about the moáis:

That is very true. Once I was confronted by an blonde American chick when I told her that I would be afraid to be discriminated by my ethnic backgrounds if I ever visited the southern states of the USA. "You're obviously perceived as white" she said bluntly as she rolled her eyes. Truth is I'm not and I don't feel white. I'm very proud of my native american roots.

Then again, most people here are ashamed of their amerindian backgrounds. I'm probably whiter than most people here and it's a shame to see how people deny their roots and criminalize the Mapuche over everything. I think that also holds true in Spain where I think many Spanish seem to deny or at least forget their Moorish and/or Sephardi backgrounds.

Go to Easter Island someday. I visited the place last year. Absolutely amazing and a great people.

sexybeast
04-08-2013, 04:52 PM
50% scandinavian and then some 25% north italian, 25% french. Overall I look very north european while my brother looks more southern european. I probably carry recessive genes to have children that look more southern european.

Chair Umpire
04-08-2013, 05:22 PM
I think that also holds true in Spain where I think many Spanish seem to deny or at least forget their Moorish and/or Sephardi backgrounds.

No, not really. That's what some people in Latin American love to believe, but unlike your societies we don't have any kind of "identity crisis" in Spain.

We don't change our surnames to hide our ethnic background, our government don't have hidden agendas in migration policy to encourage the immigration from white countries (unlike the chilean government), in general, people in Spain are well-educated about our history, about who we are and where we come from. Besides, there are plenty of genetic studies about it.

paternal DNA map of Europe.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d0K7nmzSQjA/TjCJSnEtZ8I/AAAAAAAAAEI/dDiMr4Y7mjM/s1600/Haplogroups+in+Europe%252C+pie+map.PNG

maternal DNA map of Europe.
http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/102BAE79-9942-4105-BA33-1EF86929B267/0/LondonResultsMtdna_b.jpg


The only "identity problem" we have in Spain are the basque and the catalan issues but this has nothing to do with race. It's mainly about money and power.

sexybeast
04-08-2013, 06:21 PM
No, not really. That's what some people in Latin American love to believe, but unlike your societies we don't have any kind of "identity crisis" in Spain.

We don't change our surnames to hide our ethnic background, our government don't have hidden agendas in migration policy to encourage the immigration from white countries (unlike the chilean government), in general, people in Spain are well-educated about our history, about who we are and where we come from. Besides, there are plenty of genetic studies about it.

Abraxias is trying hard to distance himself from the oppressive white ethnicity and hope thereby to instead be descendent of moors who invaded and oppressed the iberian locals a thousand years ago. Doesnt make much sense and is kind of wishful thinking, most spanish look as little as maroccans as they look like the visigoths who invaded from the north. Actually they are genetically closer to germanic people than north africans, much closer:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6684/60550356.jpg

abraxas21
04-08-2013, 06:23 PM
No, not really. That's what some people in Latin American love to believe, but unlike your societies we don't have any kind of "identity crisis" in Spain.

not sure what you're getting at. i never even suggested spain has an "identity crisis" :shrug:

our government don't have hidden agendas in migration policy to encourage the immigration from white countries (unlike the chilean government)

again, not sure what you mean here. chile did encourage white immigration in the XIX century (mainly Germans) and there were also minor programs in the XX century but to my awareness there's no gvt policy which encourages white immigration anymore.

abraxas21
04-08-2013, 06:27 PM
Abraxias is trying hard to distance himself from the oppressive white ethnicity and hope thereby to instead be descendent of moors who invaded and oppressed the iberian locals a thousand years ago.

uhh? what are you talking about? none of what you said about what I think has been actually said by me.

I thought the message in the OP was clear enough but to the ones with a reading comprehension problem, here it is again:

as far as im aware, i am a typical latin american mestizo. i.e. partly spanish and partly american indian.

for fuck's sake

Chair Umpire
04-08-2013, 06:37 PM
During the Balkans War, the government of Chile came to Europe to abduce thousands of croats under the promise of giving them a good house, jobs and good social coverages. When they finally arrived to Chile most of those promises turned out to be mainly bullsh#t. There was even an amateur report in youtube about it, uploaded by a chilean journalist.

The Chilean government have never been so generous with people from let's say Rwanda or Liberia.

sexybeast
04-08-2013, 06:39 PM
uhh? what are you talking about? none of what you said about what I think has been actually said by me.

I thought the message in the OP was clear enough but to the ones with a reading comprehension problem, here it is again:



for fuck's sake

I am talking about this:


i like to think that on the spanish side i also have some moorish ancentry given that most spanish have moorish blood running thru their veins.

I wouldnt react on this at all if it wasnt you who said it, seems you always looking to provoke someone when you start a thread. Some spanish have some moorish blood, but to say that most spanish have a considerable amount of moorish blood in their veins is a lie.

You said yourself also "I like to think", thereby I said "wishful thinking".

abraxas21
04-08-2013, 09:18 PM
I am talking about this:



I wouldnt react on this at all if it wasnt you who said it, seems you always looking to provoke someone when you start a thread. Some spanish have some moorish blood, but to say that most spanish have a considerable amount of moorish blood in their veins is a lie.


i said "most spanish have moorish blood running thru their veins" which is factual as any reasonable DNA test shows. You're the one who is lying here.

You said yourself also "I like to think", thereby I said "wishful thinking".

Wishful thinking when it comes to have a diverse background. But from there you went on to conclude that i am trying to "distance myself from the oppressive white ethnicity", which is of course a complete leap of logic that makes little sense of what i actually said.

star
04-08-2013, 09:25 PM
Oh my god people get over it. Blood Is blood. No body is better or worse for being black, yellow, white or brown. It only matters what kind of person you are. There are good and bad of all races and nationality.

Pretty much we all came from the same ancestors.

Can we please return to the topic?

abraxas21
04-08-2013, 09:35 PM
During the Balkans War, the government of Chile came to Europe to abduce thousands of croats under the promise of giving them a good house, jobs and good social coverages. When they finally arrived to Chile most of those promises turned out to be mainly bullsh#t. There was even an amateur report in youtube about it, uploaded by a chilean journalist.


that's all you've got? minor croatian-refugees immigration which occurred 20 years ago? and to prove it all you mention an amateur youtube report? Colour me convinced of your line of argumentation. :lol:

The Chilean government have never been so generous with people from let's say Rwanda or Liberia.

you don't know what you're talking about. Chile has recently received thousands of black Haitian immigrants due to the economic and institutional crisis of the sector. Adoption of Haitian kids is in the sky as well (something which has some negative issues of its own, though).

Time Violation
04-08-2013, 09:40 PM
I visited the place last year. Absolutely amazing and a great people.

And no pictures? That should warrant an infraction until you share some :(

ProdigyEng
04-08-2013, 10:04 PM
3/4 English 1/4 Nigerian :-D

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Chair Umpire
04-08-2013, 10:24 PM
you don't know what you're talking about. Chile has recently received thousands of black Haitian immigrants due to the economic and institutional crisis of the sector. Adoption of Haitian kids is in the sky as well (something which has some negative issues of its own, though).

Haitians weren't induced to migrate to Chile through lies and false promises from your government unlike they did to the croatians. Haitians went to Chile by their own will. Do you get the difference? :rolleyes:

If you have any other doubt about the views of your politicians on race, migration and social status, here you have the final answer:

I2kFM2Q3Ngo

Around minute 1:23, Sebastian Piñera, the President of Chile says: "Congratulations Sir, you did a great job. You're improving our race." He said this to a man who is holding a blonde little child. Disgusting.

Can we please stop attacking people's countries? Usually things are too complex for any one judgment of a country to be correct. Obviously Chile has done some very worthwhile things and I personally have never heard one bad thing about Chile from anyone who has visited there.

I'm not accusing chilean people of being evil or unfriendly. I also have friends who have visited Chile and they felt very welcomed there. I'm merely pointing out their difficulties to accept themselves and their ethnic roots.

cocrcici
04-08-2013, 10:59 PM
100% MTFian :armed:

atennisfan
04-08-2013, 11:00 PM
Our entire species is inbred which is why there is such a predominance of mental diseases. It is a result of how few Homo Sapiens were left after that volcano went of in or near modern day Indonesia about 70 000 years ago.

That would be the present day vulcanic lake Danau Toba, in Indonesia.

And I am 100% Indonesian.

star
04-08-2013, 11:05 PM
I think you are really reaching. I've been used to hispanic people talking about "la raza" not to mean race as in black, white, etc., but in the sense of "our people" that is, the community, the nation. I'm not fluent in Spanish, but I didn't get the sense of something disgusting there. I'll be interested to hear what Abraxas says about it. But, for me it's like this thread is being hijacked. And it started out as a nice little thread without virulence -- a rarity on MTF. :awww:

Also, I've heard Mexicans talk about Argentines as being snooty and thinking they are more European than other Latin American countries, but I've not heard them say the same about Chile.

Mr. Oracle
04-08-2013, 11:44 PM
somehow i figure MTF is whiter than a tea party convention but anyhow, this seems like a pretty international site so have your say.

as far as im aware, i am a typical latin american mestizo. i.e. partly spanish and partly american indian.

i like to think that on the spanish side i also have some moorish ancentry given that most spanish have moorish blood running thru their veins.

what about you?

I'd encourage you to foster more of your "indian" genome. I spent time on a reserve and once you get used to their mannerisms, they are enchanting people.

Mr. Oracle
04-08-2013, 11:47 PM
Our entire species is inbred which is why there is such a predominance of mental diseases. It is a result of how few Homo Sapiens were left after that volcano went of in or near modern day Indonesia about 70 000 years ago.

I'd say the main reason your neighbour is a flasher is because of the alienating affects of our industrial/capitalist world.

Mr. Oracle
04-08-2013, 11:50 PM
Serbian

I have a weird sense of deja-vu that I talked to you about this, but I don't expect a straight answer so I won't even ask.

PorkBarrel
04-09-2013, 04:52 AM
Not sure on proportions but I'm South Asian/Caucasian. By South Asian I mean Pakistani and by Caucasian I mean Armenian. :smoke:

ssin
04-09-2013, 07:52 AM
I'm Montenegrin Serb.

A very proud Israeli Jewish, not a proud banker...


let me guess: You are more Mizrahi than Ashkenazi.

atennisfan
04-09-2013, 08:49 AM
I'm Montenegrin Serb.



let me guess: You are more Mizrahi than Ashkenazi.

is Mizrahi the same with Sephardic?

And is it true that Ashkenazi actually do not share the same bloodlines/race with Sephardic?
(ie. not true descendants of Israel?)

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 09:21 AM
I've been used to hispanic people talking about "la raza" not to mean race as in black, white, etc., but in the sense of "our people" that is, the community, the nation.

You're talking about the mexicans and other central-americans. Chileans don't use the word "raza" in that sense and certainly Mr Piñera was not using it in that sense (otherwise that video wouldn't have caused so much controversy in Chile, btw: link1 (http://www.cooperativa.cl/presidente-pinera-volvio-a-generar-comentarios-con-mejorando-la-raza/prontus_nots/2012-02-24/210405.html) - link2 (http://www.cambio21.cl/cambio21/site/artic/20120225/pags/20120225041032.html) - link3 (http://www.soychile.cl/Santiago/Sociedad/2012/02/24/74057/El-mejorando-la-raza-de-Pinera-encendio-las-redes-sociales.aspx) - link4 (http://www.lacopucha.com/politica/2012/02/27/video-de-sebastian-pinera-diciendo-se-esta-mejorando-la-raza/) )

Sorry If my posts make you feel disturbed somehow. It is a disturbing issue indeed but everything I said about Chile are actual facts and if we aren't able to talk openly about this we aren't being helpful or constructive.

You can see it by yourself: http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/fellows/chile_2008/ (This is an english-speaking report)

If you don't have enough time to check out the report, here you have some significant captures:

http://i50.tinypic.com/ajkuuu.jpghttp://i46.tinypic.com/hv53dy.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/5ygevc.jpghttp://i50.tinypic.com/149niwi.jpg

ssin
04-09-2013, 10:03 AM
is Mizrahi the same with Sephardic?

No, they are broad groups of the same people just like it happens in other nations.

And is it true that Ashkenazi actually do not share the same bloodlines/race with Sephardic?
(ie. not true descendants of Israel?)

It's not true, but even if it was, it's irrelevant, because culture makes us what we are.

Punky
04-09-2013, 11:32 AM
I'm Montenegrin Serb.



let me guess: You are more Mizrahi than Ashkenazi.

Non, my parents are 5 generation in here ;)

Punky
04-09-2013, 11:36 AM
is Mizrahi the same with Sephardic?

And is it true that Ashkenazi actually do not share the same bloodlines/race with Sephardic?
(ie. not true descendants of Israel?)

Its all the same Jew here Jew that, I don't want to get u all bored but the difference is who went to what country years ago, by my parents old last name Im a mix if Italian and Iraq but that can't be possible bc of my original last name.


If someone really wanna know there's a book in Jerusalem and u can find out there or ask an expert

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 12:12 PM
Serb from Vojvodina

ssin
04-09-2013, 12:26 PM
Serb from Vojvodina

We highlanders love you Vojvodjani but you don't love us back :(;)

personally Vojvodjani are my favorite ljudi ;)

Non, my parents are 5 generation in here ;)

it would be nice if we could trace our ancestry many generations back, unlike you I find that stuff very interesting :D

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 12:45 PM
We highlanders love you Vojvodjani but you don't love us back :(;)

Lol, very likely true for some people here, though I'm not sure who they like, probably no one :lol: Search youtube for "Drzavni posao" if you haven't already ;)

ssin
04-09-2013, 01:02 PM
^^^^^

lol, thanks, I don't watch TV at all so this is completely new stuff for me.

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 01:08 PM
It's kinda big "underground" hit these days, since even those who watch TV rarely tune to RTV ;)

Punky
04-09-2013, 01:11 PM
it would be nice if we could trace our ancestry many generations back, unlike you I find that stuff very interesting :D

its not that i find it boring, i know im jewish the rest doesnt matter much, so my father father went this and that some for my mom
i think Europe is much more intriguing, who came from who, who marry who

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 01:16 PM
Haitians weren't induced to migrate to Chile through lies and false promises from your government unlike they did to the croatians. Haitians went to Chile by their own will. Do you get the difference? :rolleyes:

CU, first you say that chile has a government policy of encouraging white immigration. When I question you on that, you cite a youtube amateur report of croatian refugee immigration which happened some 20 years ago! That alone already makes you look like a clown already.

If you keep insisting on examples of "non-white" (as if that were to prove anything anyway) immigration encouraged by the chilean government, i might as well cite the palestinians, which were welcomed much more recently than the croatians you so often cite in that amateur youtube report http://www.adnradio.cl/noticias/politica/gobierno-afina-detalles-para-la-llegada-de--refugiados-palestinos-a-nuestro-pais/20080313/nota/562613.aspx but i don't think you're interested anyhow.

Then again, by all means go on; I enjoy how you keep embarrassing yourself :lol:

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 01:22 PM
I think you are really reaching. I've been used to hispanic people talking about "la raza" not to mean race as in black, white, etc., but in the sense of "our people" that is, the community, the nation. I'm not fluent in Spanish, but I didn't get the sense of something disgusting there. I'll be interested to hear what Abraxas says about it. But, for me it's like this thread is being hijacked. And it started out as a nice little thread without virulence -- a rarity on MTF. :awww:

Also, I've heard Mexicans talk about Argentines as being snooty and thinking they are more European than other Latin American countries, but I've not heard them say the same about Chile.

star, Chair Umpire is the same guy who "accused" Mjau! of being a Chilean (as if that itself were a bad thing) and was so convinced of that he repeatedly asked her proof about it. To make his thesis appealing to the community, I remember he showed her posting times which according to him were more in line with the Chilean time frame than the Swedish one. Mjau! asked to stop harassing her but he kept going, still convinced of his own theory even when Mjau! was writing in fluent Swedish on some posts in this website. I think his final conclusion was that she was a Chilean expat living in Sweden and that Mjau! was Thanos' double account or something. :lol:

At the end of the day one is inclined to think that there is surely some sort of pathology with this man so it's probably best to a) ignore him or b) laugh at him. I like the second one best but that's just me.

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 01:42 PM
Again, none palestinians or haitians were induced by chilean representatives to migrate to Chile with false promises. They moved there by their own initiative.

Do I have to repeat myself in spanish so that you can understand me better? :rolleyes:

You almost fooled me. I really thought that you was the kind of brave guy not afraid of facing this problem as much as it might be embarrassing for you but now I see you're just like most of your countrymen. At the end of the day you just keep denying the problem and trying to cover the shame at any cost. I blame the chilean media for this mass-brainwashing.

You haven't said a word about Piñera's video or the PBS report, not a surprise either. On the contrary you're trying to derail the discussion by attacking me.

Punky
04-09-2013, 01:48 PM
Why Chile needs to encourage the migration white ppl? whats the point?

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 01:53 PM
Why Chile needs to encourage the migration white ppl? whats the point?

The PBS report I posted may give you some clues.

It's all in the info I've linked.

Chase Visa
04-09-2013, 02:34 PM
100% bogan.

Nah but seriously, about 50% English, 25% Scottish, 12.5% Welsh and 12.5% Irish. Also have vague French roots.

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 03:36 PM
Why Chile needs to encourage the migration white ppl? whats the point?

This statement by abraxas21 in another forum maybe helpful as well:

thats quite an interesting input

one thing about south americans is that they're quite quick in general to dismiss their indigenous background. here in chile most people do (even though most clearly have at least some level of indigenous admixture) and discrimination against the indigenous tribes is common (i actually think that situation will explode some time in the future).
being of european descent is simply perceived here as better. of course, people will never dare to say it like that but it's pretty clear that's the situation when you've lived here long enough. i think something similar must happen in the whole of south america to at least some degree. it's actually quite pathetic.

SOURCE: http://rateyourmusic.com/board_message?message_id=2869771&board_id=11&show=20&start=40

http://i45.tinypic.com/11rx7p2.png


It's comforting to see that abraxas21 can be a good poster when he leaves aside his childish trolling ways.

Regards.

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 03:51 PM
It's comforting to see that abraxas21 can be a good poster when he leaves aside his childish trolling ways.

Regards.

I may not be the biggest fan of Abraxas on this board, but dude what you're doing is downright embarrassing, stalking the guy and quoting other forums like anyone here cares... go to that forum and talk it over there, if you are that eager to prove your virtual point :facepalm:

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 03:54 PM
Believe it or not, I was already familiar to that forum.

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 04:24 PM
Nobody really cares. If you have some personal problem with him, this ain't the place for that.

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 04:34 PM
If you don't care then what are you doing here? And who has give you the right to decide what rest of people care about?

This forum is big enough for you to avoid this discussion if it doesn't pleased you. Besides, you always have the ignore list button, feel free to used it.

You don't look like someone who doesn't care.

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 04:38 PM
Again, none palestinians or haitians were induced by chilean representatives to migrate to Chile with false promises. They moved there by their own initiative.

did you even read the article? they had direct government help. and that's besides the point anyhow... You have no grounds to claim that the Chilean government has a policy of promoting white immigration, and you know it.

You haven't said a word about Piñera's video or the PBS report, not a surprise either.

An why should I? You seem to think that I have to give you my appreciation about every thing you say.

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 04:40 PM
This statement by abraxas21 in another forum maybe helpful as well:



SOURCE: http://rateyourmusic.com/board_message?message_id=2869771&board_id=11&show=20&start=40

http://i45.tinypic.com/11rx7p2.png


It's comforting to see that abraxas21 can be a good poster when he leaves aside his childish trolling ways.

Regards.

Ok, this is downright creepy.

I've dealt with several weirdos both in real life and in this website but this is the first time i have to deal with a true internet stalker.

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 04:50 PM
An why should I?

Ummm because both sources support my point? The same point you're trying to dismiss?

You're not commenting about these videos because you have no idea how to argue against them, instead you're trying to turn the discussion into a child fighting. Simply as that.

Best regards.

gulzhan
04-09-2013, 04:52 PM
I am ethnic Kazak, 100% I believe, at least officially :lol: Kazakstan is populated by more than 100 ethnicities but Kazaks are majority along with ethnic Russians.

We look Asian, speak Russian (Kazak language is of Turkish group of languages) and have oriental mentality.

Lopez
04-09-2013, 05:23 PM
From father's side, grandparents were from England, from mother's side from Finland. I classify myself as a caucasian Australian with european roots :shrug:

:eek:

Just noticed this. Can you speak Finnish? What about your mother?

Kiedis
04-09-2013, 06:47 PM
Troll is being trolled. Nice :yeah:

Thanos
04-09-2013, 06:48 PM
star, Chair Umpire is the same guy who "accused" Mjau! of being a Chilean (as if that itself were a bad thing) and was so convinced of that he repeatedly asked her proof about it. To make his thesis appealing to the community, I remember he showed her posting times which according to him were more in line with the Chilean time frame than the Swedish one. Mjau! asked to stop harassing her but he kept going, still convinced of his own theory even when Mjau! was writing in fluent Swedish on some posts in this website. I think his final conclusion was that she was a Chilean expat living in Sweden and that Mjau! was Thanos' double account or something. :lol:

At the end of the day one is inclined to think that there is surely some sort of pathology with this man so it's probably best to a) ignore him or b) laugh at him. I like the second one best but that's just me.

yeah i remember this :lol:. it was funny to me at the start because how he concluded that myself and mjau were the same person made no sense. then it got annoying that he kept following me around trying to provoke me because i laughed at mjau joke about spain unemployment. anyways i heard heaps of spainards are immigrating to chile, hopefully chair umpire isn't one of them.

star
04-09-2013, 06:50 PM
its not that i find it boring, i know im jewish the rest doesnt matter much, so my father father went this and that some for my mom
i think Europe is much more intriguing, who came from who, who marry who

But, being Jewish doesn't really reveal your ethnicity. I've met Jews from India, Germany, and Arab speaking countries., and also American Jews with European roots. They have all had the looks of the lands from which they hailed. Also I've known people who have converted and have no Semitic roots. Clearly their children and grandchildren have a different ethnic background. Also I think that there have been some adjustments in thinking who is Jewish and who looks Jewish with the arrival o Ethiopian Jewish immigrants who have Ethiopian features. I mean, obviously, originally the inhabitants of Judea appeared more similar to their Semitic neighbors than they did with the European tribes, yet now there are many European looking Jews. To me, this is enriching.

Punky
04-09-2013, 07:16 PM
But, being Jewish doesn't really reveal your ethnicity. I've met Jews from India, Germany, and Arab speaking countries., and also American Jews with European roots. They have all had the looks of the lands from which they hailed. Also I've known people who have converted and have no Semitic roots. Clearly their children and grandchildren have a different ethnic background. Also I think that there have been some adjustments in thinking who is Jewish and who looks Jewish with the arrival o Ethiopian Jewish immigrants who have Ethiopian features. I mean, obviously, originally the inhabitants of Judea appeared more similar to their Semitic neighbors than they did with the European tribes, yet now there are many European looking Jews. To me, this is enriching.


about myself i realy dont know, i know my mom have European roots (thats what she say) and he family last name is very Italian, my father original last name is very much jewish but he say he has A few Iraqi roots, i cant count on my last name bc its very General and b/c my family is a 5 Generation in here.

ur right everyones ethnic origin of all quite intriguing but i find the jewish the most boring of them all.

there are Jews of European descent, Jews Mizrahi (Middle Eastern, Arabic)Jews, Americans, and South American Jews (cute accent).

u can see a girl like that has a German, Iraqi and Yemenite descent


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/780635/amit_wa.jpg

Lee
04-09-2013, 07:28 PM
But, being Jewish doesn't really reveal your ethnicity. I've met Jews from India, Germany, and Arab speaking countries., and also American Jews with European roots. They have all had the looks of the lands from which they hailed. Also I've known people who have converted and have no Semitic roots. Clearly their children and grandchildren have a different ethnic background. Also I think that there have been some adjustments in thinking who is Jewish and who looks Jewish with the arrival o Ethiopian Jewish immigrants who have Ethiopian features. I mean, obviously, originally the inhabitants of Judea appeared more similar to their Semitic neighbors than they did with the European tribes, yet now there are many European looking Jews. To me, this is enriching.

I saw on TV yesterday interviewing a woman rabbi who's a Korean.

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 07:29 PM
anyways i heard heaps of spainards are immigrating to chile, hopefully chair umpire isn't one of them.

OMG. You really cannot be serious, are you? Otherwise I will assume that chileans' denial state is not only about their ethnic identity but also about their social well-being status.

There are thousands of illegal chileans in Spain praying for the generousity of our government to continue. President Rajoy has been planning to restrict healthcare coverage and other social benefits to spanish citizens and regularized immigrants.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2m0279.png

On the other hand, social coverages in Chile are a joke. You have to pay for everything there, even for breathing: Education, healthcare, etc and the quality of services are sh#t. And don't get me started about "labor rights" in Chile. Pinochet and the CIA turn your country into a neo-liberal experiment in the 70's and the situation didn't change much with the arrive of democracy.

We spaniards can work in any state of the European Union with the same rights of a native worker, why would anyone want to cross the Atlantic to live in a country with an inferior life-standard than ours? (specially when we see how reluctant are chilean immigrants to go back to Chile)

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 08:13 PM
Troll is being trolled. Nice :yeah:

sadly, it's pretty clear that CU is not a troll, but a clown in the true sense of the word. You're quite annoying yourself but at least I know you just try to troll.

OMG. You really cannot be serious, are you?

I'm afraid he is :scared:
http://diario.latercera.com/2012/06/10/01/contenido/tendencias/16-110985-9-como-viven-y-quienes-son-la-nueva-oleada-de-espanoles-en-chile.shtml

guess i could also use this as another example of non-white immigration to chile

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 08:23 PM
Chileans, consider themselves "the English of Latin America". Their intrinsic belief in the superiority of white skin relegates Africans, Asians and Indians, along with anyone with a "dark tan", to the bottom of their social ladder.

This is an excerpt from "My invented country", excellent book by Isabel Allende. The title says a lot.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/covers/2003/10/30/invented.jpg

Since you're a leftist I guess you'll love the book and won't dare to disagree with it.

And no, we're not migrating to Chile. That article is about spanish professionals working for SPANISH COMPANIES in Chile. Spain is one of the main investors in Chile and the chilean workforce is very poor when it comes to high-profile jobs, hence spanish companies need to hire spanish professionals for some jobs instead of natives. If I do a little research in google surely I'll find tons of articles like that about spaniards working in Tanzania, Uganda, Madagascar or Vietnam. But that wouldn't prove a migration movement from Spain to these countries.

We also have many french professionals working for french companies here in Spain (since France is one of our main investors), but I would never be so stupid to say that "frenchs are migrating to Spain". :rolleyes:

It's so easy to show everyone how ridiculous is your affirmation that you only need to check out Spain's official statistic database (I.N.E.):

Census - Spaniards out of Spain: http://www.ine.es/jaxi/menu.do?L=0&type=pcaxis&path=%2Ft20%2Fp85001&file=inebase (notice that there are also a significant amount of latin americans with "spanish citizen")
Census - Foreigners living in Spain: http://www.ine.es/jaxi/menu.do?type=pcaxis&path=%2Ft20%2Fp259%2Fe01&file=pcaxis

So for the last time, no Abraxis, we're not migrating to "the England of Latin America". I'm sorry but that's completely delusional and you're only making a fool of yourself. And btw, "La Tercera" is a rightist newspaper with a very debatable reputation in your country (I think you should know about that). They're are clearly a Pro-Piñerist newspaper and that article seems to be wrote to make people believe that Chile goes so well than even europeans want to come here. It's a ridiculous piece of propaganda. Let's not forget that in 2013 you are celebrating elections in Chile and Piñeras' party will have to face a strong opposition in Michelle Bachelet most likely.

Kiedis
04-09-2013, 08:33 PM
the chilean workforce is very poor when it comes to high-profile jobs, hence spanish companies need to hire spanish professionals for the job instead of chileans.


Santiago de Chile is a battlefield today.

The education system has led to more protests in the last decade condemning the middle and lower classes into debt for life. A race to between 400 and 1,000 euros per month, not counting tuition. Teaching is bad, and a lucrative business class

"I know of cases of people of 45 and 50 who are still paying the university who were enrolled at 20. In Chile, it is very difficult for a family to allow two children to study simultaneously with disputes and conflict that generates socially. " Behind this reality described by Rodrigo Charme, Chilean, 31, hides a recent history marked by two major revolutions cycles student and an educational model whose results fail to take off in any official list. Seven out of ten students in the Andean nation have to formalize a loan to start pay day leavers and find their first job.

http://resizer.abc.es/resizer/resizer.php?imagen=http://www.abc.es/Media/201304/07/chile-manifestacion-estudiantes--644x362.jpg

http://www.abc.es/sociedad/20130407/abci-santiago-chile-educacion-manifestacion-201304011919.html

Kiedis
04-09-2013, 08:39 PM
sadly, it's pretty clear that CU is not a troll, but a clown in the true sense of the word. You're quite annoying yourself but at least I know you just try to troll.

I'm afraid he is :scared:
http://diario.latercera.com/2012/06/10/01/contenido/tendencias/16-110985-9-como-viven-y-quienes-son-la-nueva-oleada-de-espanoles-en-chile.shtml

guess i could also use this as another example of non-white immigration to chile

this is guell btw:

http://www.tenispain.com/fotos/fotos2012/21-babolat-esp-12/images/f24989-eduard-guell.jpg

quite white for a spanish. doesn't have a one hander like federer so i guess he won't shank as much either

Such observation could only can be made by someone who had some issues.

Thanos
04-09-2013, 08:46 PM
Such observation could only can be made by someone who had some issues.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=157306&highlight=

spainard asking if spanish are white.... because they have obsession with skin colour.

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 08:47 PM
ah, this thread is getting unreal. :lol:

Kiedis
04-09-2013, 08:48 PM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=157306&highlight=

spainard asking if spanish are white.... because they have obsession with skin colour.

Yes, I agree with you. Fucking absurd thread. By the way, I'm not that stupid to thinking that Abraxas21 represents all Chileans. Looks like you have not been so lucky.

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 08:51 PM
Since you're a leftist I guess you'll love the book and won't dare to disagree with her.

Leftists can't disagree with other leftists? :rolleyes:

And no, we're not migrating to Chile. That article is about spanish professionals working for SPANISH COMPANIES in Chile.

How is that not migration? And besides, it's not "spanish companies" as you put it but companies in general. the article even mentions the high number of spanish applicants in a headhunting firm. but more importantly, who cares? you seem keen in trying to attack chile as if that were to offend me without even realizing that I know a lot more about the place than you and that I'm pretty sure I am a much harsher critic of chile than you. You on the other hand seem unable to take well any criticism one can make of spain. I find this scenario quite telling and I think you should dwell into it. It might help you, maybe.

Trollicki
04-09-2013, 08:51 PM
Croatian Serb, with some Hungarian and Montenegrin in my ancestry.

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 08:53 PM
Santiago de Chile is a battlefield today.

Today is calm. Ttuesday is the real protest.

I hope to see hundreds of thousands asking for what should be a right :yeah:

Thanos
04-09-2013, 08:54 PM
Croatian Serb, with some Hungarian and Montenegrin in my ancestry.

do you look in the mirror and secretly hate yourself?

Chair Umpire
04-09-2013, 08:57 PM
this is guell btw:

http://www.tenispain.com/fotos/fotos2012/21-babolat-esp-12/images/f24989-eduard-guell.jpg

quite white for a spanish. doesn't have a one hander like federer so i guess he won't shank as much either

Such observation could only can be made by someone who had some issues.

That comment is creepy indeed. Now it doesn't take a genious to see that Abraxas21 has a disturbing fixation on us and our appearance/ethnic background.

However, Abraxas' confusion over this boy's appearance is totally understandable. There are a lot of mestizoes in his country who claim to be ethnically spanish when they are actually almost fully amerindian.

The best example are the supporters of Union Española (Spanish Union), a popular chilean football club founded by and for the spanish collectivity early in the 20th century.

http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/site/artic/20121205/imag/foto_0000004320121205183918.jpg
http://www.furiaroja.cl/wp-content/subidos/2011/03/6.jpg

Most of them look nothing like a typical spaniard. In fact, many of them look more amerindian than anything else. For their own good, chileans do really need to get their sh?t together and feel more proud about their rich amerindian legacy (Rapanui, Mapuches, etc.)

Regards.

Trollicki
04-09-2013, 08:58 PM
do you look in the mirror and secretly hate yourself?

:lol: I should have said Serb from Croatia, so no self-loathing here

Kiedis
04-09-2013, 09:03 PM
Today is calm. Ttuesday is the real protest.

I hope to see hundreds of thousands asking for what should be a right :yeah:

Do you have any sort of Bachelor's Degree? it's really that expensive?

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 09:10 PM
Do you have any sort of Bachelor's Degree? it's really that expensive?

Not sure if it's that expensive when compared to developed nations but with the wages most people have here it's virtually impossible not to fall in a big debt unless your family has the means for it. Overall, there are many things wrong with the chilean education system and the chilean society in general. I believe that the education is fundamental when it comes to changing society.

I have bachelor degrees in economics and business & administration.

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 09:20 PM
Not sure if it's that expensive when compared to developed nations but with the wages most people have here it's virtually impossible not to fall in a big debt unless your family has the means for it. Overall, there are many things wrong with the chilean education system and the chilean society in general. I believe that the education is fundamental when it comes to changing society.

I have bachelor degrees in economics and business & administration.

How much is a usual wage there, and how much per year of (average) studying for bachelor?

abraxas21
04-09-2013, 09:32 PM
How much is a usual wage there, and how much per year of (average) studying for bachelor?

the minimum wage is $193,000 (about US$407) per month and the cost of my career in my university (which is the one that receives the most government funding per student) is close to $400,000 per month (about US$843).

superslam77
04-09-2013, 09:35 PM
you are a bit weird abraxas but not too bad of a guy i guess :lol:
anyways italian x (italian x polish or german) x spanish x (dominican x spanish)
what i am no idea...from euro to latin american.

Punky
04-09-2013, 09:37 PM
the minimum wage is $193,000 (about US$407) per month and the cost of my career in my university (which is the one that receives the most government funding per student) is close to $400,000 per month (about US$843).

That's just makes me feel bad that ppl can't receive education ESP when it's a few hundred dollars

zeleni
04-09-2013, 09:42 PM
interesting. i have a question. where do the most of spanish emigrats go these days - in their former colonies or somewhere else?

Time Violation
04-09-2013, 10:24 PM
the minimum wage is $193,000 (about US$407) per month and the cost of my career in my university (which is the one that receives the most government funding per student) is close to $400,000 per month (about US$843).

Damn, that is steep. The average wage is very similar to Serbia's level, however $850 per month of University is horrendous. It's far from cheap here, but no where near that.

Mr. Oracle
04-09-2013, 10:41 PM
:lol: I should have said Serb from Croatia, so no self-loathing here

Krajina Serb? Or around Zagreb?

Trollicki
04-09-2013, 10:46 PM
Dalmatia

Mr. Oracle
04-09-2013, 10:56 PM
Dalmatia

Ah, being cagey are we? :lol:

cheers

arm
04-09-2013, 11:33 PM
I'm 100% boring. :(

The Prince
04-09-2013, 11:38 PM
Yes, I'm boring too. Just British.

However, I think I at least have some Celtic heritage, it's not all English.

Lee
04-09-2013, 11:41 PM
I'm 100% boring. :(

Same here 100% Chinese although if I start to explain different Chinese, posters will be bored to death :p

arm
04-09-2013, 11:42 PM
Yes, I'm boring too. Just British.

However, I think I at least have some Celtic heritage, it's not all English.

That's more than I can say. :shrug: :lol:

Dad was born in Brazil but he is 100% Portuguese. I can't think of a single person in my family who isn't, and I am thinking as far as great great grandparents.

arm
04-09-2013, 11:46 PM
Same here 100% Chinese although if I start to explain different Chinese, posters will be bored to death :p

:lol:

I really wish I was a really cool exotic mix so that I could look like this:

http://hairstyles.thehairstyler.com/hairstyle_views/front_view_images/5385/original/Meghan-Markle.jpg


:lol:

The Prince
04-09-2013, 11:47 PM
That's more than I can say. :shrug: :lol:

Dad was born in Brazil but he is 100% Portuguese. I can't think of a single person in my family who isn't, and I am thinking as far as great great grandparents.

It's strange, because my extended family has a lot of foreign influence now, but I myself was born to completely British parents, my mother perhaps had a little bit of Irish heritage. :)

With regards to your point, I suppose so. But we are both similar in that we don't have an odd ancestor that bucks the trend of the rest if them, from say Germany or Greece. But I am quite happy for you to deem my heritage and ethnicity more interesting than yours. :hug:

arm
04-09-2013, 11:51 PM
It's strange, because my extended family has a lot of foreign influence now, but I myself was born to completely British parents, my mother perhaps had a little bit of Irish heritage. :)

With regards to your point, I suppose so. But we are both similar in that we don't have an odd ancestor that bucks the trend of the rest if them, from say Germany or Greece. But I am quite happy for you to deem my heritage and ethnicity more interesting than yours. :hug:

You know when people go abroad because they haven an aunt living in country x and a cousing who married a girl from Y and is living there? Nope, not that lucky, I don't get free accommodation like that because everyone lives here. :shrug: :lol:

Like I said, My family and I: 100% boring. :(

The Prince
04-09-2013, 11:55 PM
You know when people go abroad because they haven an aunt living in country x and a cousing who married a girl from Y and is living there? Nope, not that lucky, I don't get free accommodation like that because everyone lives here. :shrug: :lol:

Like I said, My family and I: 100% boring. :(

Yeah, I know what you mean! :lol: :awww:

Well, if you marry Nole, then you can go to Serbia and Monte-Carlo for free! :D

That saud, if you married Nole, you'd probably go everywhere for free! ;)

arm
04-10-2013, 12:03 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean! :lol: :awww:

Well, if you marry Nole, then you can go to Serbia and Monte-Carlo for free! :D

That saud, if you married Nole, you'd probably go everywhere for free! ;)

Not so sure about being free, but certainly I wouldn't be worrying about money and paying for a hotel. :lol:

Also, IF? :speakles: what do you mean if? It might not happen? :sad:

The Prince
04-10-2013, 12:06 AM
Not so sure about being free, but certainly I wouldn't be worrying about money and paying for a hotel. :lol:

Also, IF? :speakles: what do you mean if? It might not happen? :sad:

Yes, IF. He does seem quite deeply in love with Jelena, my dear. You are running out of time. :sad: ;)

arm
04-10-2013, 12:08 AM
Yes, IF. He does seem quite deeply in love with Jelena, my dear. You are running out of time. :sad: ;)

It's never too late for true love. :rolls:

This isn't off topic or silly at all. :o

August
04-10-2013, 12:09 AM
My mother: 50% Savonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonia_%28historical_province%29), 50% Ostrobothnian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrobothnia_%28historical_province%29)
My father: 50% Savonian, 50% Karelian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia) (from the area lost to USSR)

The Prince
04-10-2013, 12:16 AM
It's never too late for true love. :rolls:

This isn't off topic or silly at all. :o

True, but if I were you, I'd seal the deal as quickly as possible. ;)

star
04-10-2013, 12:47 AM
My mother: 50% Savonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonia_%28historical_province%29), 50% Ostrobothnian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrobothnia_%28historical_province%29)
My father: 50% Savonian, 50% Karelian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia) (from the area lost to USSR)

Thanks for the links!

Although, it might show a bit of indirectness. :p

Traditionally, the Savonian people have often been considered as "sneaky". However, recent research has shown that this fame is largely due to misunderstandings caused by the traditional Savonian social indirectness.[1]
Generally speaking, in Savonian region people have a tendency to tell things by not mentioning them directly, in fact it is sometimes considered even somewhat impolite to say simply "yes" or "no". Savonian people often like to veil their opinions in a more complex way of speech.

August
04-10-2013, 12:52 AM
Thanks for the links!

Although, it might show a bit of indirectness. :p

You can guess why I started this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=213949).

Mr. Oracle
04-10-2013, 01:34 AM
Our former Prime Minister Trudeau, constitutional reformer, and father of multiculturalism, would insist that I describe myself as a 2nd generation Serbian. We, the faithful diaspora, have been entrusted with the role of ideological and cultural stewardship, so that our brethren in the fatherland do not F#$%! things up too badly. They always go kicking and screaming though. :lol: They usually don't know what's good for them. We love them anyway.

abraxas21
04-10-2013, 02:40 AM
Damn, that is steep. The average wage is very similar to Serbia's level, however $850 per month of University is horrendous. It's far from cheap here, but no where near that.

in all fairness, it's a lot cheaper in other universities. Then again, that's part of the problem too. Due to the lack of a solid education basis, there are several private universities which cater to the poorer segments but care little about the quality. at the end many of those end up working in sectors that have nothing to do with what they studied, making little money and carrying huge debts with growing interests.

star
04-10-2013, 03:03 AM
You can guess why I started this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=213949).

:lol:

Perfect.

Time Violation
04-10-2013, 06:14 AM
We, the faithful diaspora, have been entrusted with the role of ideological and cultural stewardship, so that our brethren in the fatherland do not F#$%! things up too badly. They always go kicking and screaming though. :lol: They usually don't know what's good for them. We love them anyway.

Where would we be without you :lol:

Chair Umpire
04-10-2013, 11:32 AM
How is that not migration? And besides, it's not "spanish companies" as you put it but companies in general. the article even mentions the high number of spanish applicants in a headhunting firm. but more importantly, who cares? you seem keen in trying to attack chile as if that were to offend me without even realizing that I know a lot more about the place than you and that I'm pretty sure I am a much harsher critic of chile than you. You on the other hand seem unable to take well any criticism one can make of spain. I find this scenario quite telling and I think you should dwell into it. It might help you, maybe.

You're starting to sound desperate which is more telling than anything else from the garbage you have posted. Anyways, I'm starting to get bored so here you have some "quite telling" information.

This is from Spain's official statistic database (I.N.E.):

http://i46.tinypic.com/2570v80.png

Source: http://www.empleo.gob.es/es/mundo/consejerias/chile/emigracion/datossoc.htm

The amount of "spaniards" in Chile is 30.825. Only 6.564 of them were born in Spain, 23.311 were born in Chile, and 950 in other countries (other Latin American countries most likely).

In 2006, the spanish government approved a law called "La ley del abuelo" (The Grandparent Law) LINK (http://www.abc.es/hemeroteca/historico-15-12-2006/abc/Nacional/la-ley-del-abuelo-de-zapatero_153453326967.html), which allowed any foreigner citizen with (at least) one spanish grandparent to get the spanish nationality. This can give a clue about the above numbers.

Spaniards did migrate to Latin America in the past but today we can only talk about "spanish immigration" to other european states. I can't even believe that we're discussing about this.

Regards.

abraxas21
04-10-2013, 01:36 PM
My mother: 50% Savonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savonia_%28historical_province%29), 50% Ostrobothnian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrobothnia_%28historical_province%29)
My father: 50% Savonian, 50% Karelian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia) (from the area lost to USSR)

i remember one time in which i was hanging around with an american and a finn and suddently the question "what are your backgrounds?" popped out.

the american mentioned a bunch of different nationalities in his family tree (german, dutch, english, welsh, etc, etc.) and then the finn just said "well, i'm 100% finnish!". :lol:

August
04-10-2013, 05:37 PM
i remember one time in which i was hanging around with an american and a finn and suddently the question "what are your backgrounds?" popped out.

the american mentioned a bunch of different nationalities in his family tree (german, dutch, english, welsh, etc, etc.) and then the finn just said "well, i'm 100% finnish!". :lol:

Well, not many would've come here to Finland 100-200 years ago, or before that. A country in the far, cold north.

And check the genetic map of Europe here (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/science/13visual.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&).

abraxas21
04-10-2013, 06:05 PM
Europe has been colonized three times in the distant past, always from the south.

interesting precedent

mseles1
04-13-2013, 01:57 AM
inbred gignger freckled irish
:haha:

Boring compared to people of central Asian, African origin - Caucasian with dark brown almost black hair with absolutely no defence against the sun whatsoever. Needed factor 60 in Marrakech, there's a place!

Sauletekis
04-13-2013, 02:20 AM
100% boring here as well

Just that I have born in Madeira Island and all my mother family is from there too. I have free accomodation there, which is good, since it's a LOVELY and BEAUTIFUL island. But it's still Portugal after all. And I don't know nothing about other etnicity past of me or even foreigner past... :sadface:

Smoke944
04-13-2013, 02:23 AM
Italian, Finnish, and Irish for me. Interesting combination, I know :lol:

mseles1
04-13-2013, 02:51 AM
Madeira Island
Gorgeous place.

Italian, Finnish, and Irish for me. Interesting combination, I know :lol:
The only 'mix' more 'fun' shall we say that English/Irish is Italian/Irish. One of my best mate's half & half and frankly he's a lunatic & fun waiting to be had.

Punky
04-13-2013, 03:19 AM
Gorgeous place.


The only 'mix' more 'fun' shall we say that English/Irish is Italian/Irish. One of my best mate's half & half and frankly he's a lunatic & fun waiting to be had.

That's a great mix!!!!!!

Litotes
04-13-2013, 10:23 AM
My ancestors are all Nordics, at least the last couple of centuries. Mainly Norwegians with the odd Swede mixed in. I look it too. In elementary school - in Norway - I was teased for being "extra white" and compared to a washing powder.

deyaT87
04-13-2013, 02:26 PM
Serb born in Croatia

Gris
04-13-2013, 04:39 PM
A 100% Chinese lol

betowiec
04-13-2013, 04:42 PM
100% Polish

star
04-13-2013, 05:18 PM
100% boring here as well

Just that I have born in Madeira Island and all my mother family is from there too. I have free accomodation there, which is good, since it's a LOVELY and BEAUTIFUL island. But it's still Portugal after all. And I don't know nothing about other etnicity past of me or even foreigner past... :sadface:

I am still scheming how to get there. What a magical place. But so far away from it all.

Lee
04-13-2013, 05:22 PM
Gorgeous place.


The only 'mix' more 'fun' shall we say that English/Irish is Italian/Irish. One of my best mate's half & half and frankly he's a lunatic & fun waiting to be had.

Reminds me of a poster no longer post here. His nick/username is psycogaucho. An Argentine with Italian and Irish heritage. Really fun guy. :lol: Especially when he's a bit drunk.

Punky
04-13-2013, 06:51 PM
My ancestors are all Nordics, at least the last couple of centuries. Mainly Norwegians with the odd Swede mixed in. I look it too. In elementary school - in Norway - I was teased for being "extra white" and compared to a washing powder.

markus your ethnicity is cutness, its something new :p

Voo de Mar
04-13-2013, 07:19 PM
13/14 Polish, 1/14 German (very likely Prussian to be exact), no data about ancestors before 1900s :/

Brick Top
04-13-2013, 07:44 PM
50% from Vasojevic clan, 50% from Drobnjaci clan.

Litotes
04-13-2013, 08:48 PM
markus ethnicity is cutness, its something new :p

How so? :confused:

Punky
04-13-2013, 08:54 PM
How so? :confused:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6049/6294450625_ed18375531_z.jpg

Litotes
04-13-2013, 08:55 PM
I trust you, I just don't know with what. I did't get what you were saying. Too tired, probably.

Punky
04-13-2013, 09:02 PM
I trust you, I just don't know with what. I did't get what you were saying. Too tired, probably.

PM :hug:

ssin
04-13-2013, 11:42 PM
50% from Vasojevic clan, 50% from Drobnjaci clan.

lolz :yeah:

I am from Piperi clan, the other half doesn't count in Montenegro :D

Pipo was the brother of Vaso, the founder of Vasojevici, there were 5 of them originally.

Drobnjaci and Vasojevici are probably the strongest clans in Montenegro. You are related to Vuk Karadzic with your Drobnjak line :)

If you are a true Vasojevic-Drobnjak "mix" you must be quite tall :)

Tvrd je orah vocka cudnovata ;)

rocketassist
04-14-2013, 12:04 AM
A mixture of Inuit and Arab.

Brick Top
04-14-2013, 12:24 AM
lolz :yeah:

I am from Piperi clan, the other half doesn't count in Montenegro :D

Pipo was the brother of Vaso, the founder of Vasojevici, there were 5 of them originally.

Drobnjaci and Vasojevici are probably the strongest clans in Montenegro. You are related to Vuk Karadzic with your Drobnjak line :)

If you are a true Vasojevic-Drobnjak "mix" you must be quite tall :)

Tvrd je orah vocka cudnovata ;)

I am 190 cm and I am the shortest in the family :D Also Novak Djokovic is Vasojevic from his father side I think.

ssin
04-14-2013, 12:38 AM
I am 190 cm and I am the shortest in the family :D Also Novak Djokovic is Vasojevic from his father side I think.

Indeed, Novak is Montenegrin originally, from my area of Niksic, I think he is Ozrinic but I am not 100% sure.

The same story with me, I am only 187cm, and even my grandfather was more than 200cm tall :lol:

Mr. Oracle
04-14-2013, 01:36 AM
Indeed, Novak is Montenegrin originally, from my area of Niksic, I think he is Ozrinic but I am not 100% sure.

The same story with me, I am only 187cm, and even my grandfather was more than 200cm tall :lol:

"Ide Vojska od Niksica..."

I'm familiar with folk music from all around the world. A lot of it is amazing: Spanish, Urkrainian, Scottish and Celtic, Jewish. None move me like Serbian though. But I was raised on it so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joWC83iofCo

ssin
04-14-2013, 12:38 PM
"Ide Vojska od Niksica..."

I'm familiar with folk music from all around the world. A lot of it is amazing: Spanish, Urkrainian, Scottish and Celtic, Jewish. None move me like Serbian though. But I was raised on it so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joWC83iofCo

My family was split in WW2, one part was communist, other part was nationalist, they fought each other :shrug:

mseles1
04-14-2013, 04:34 PM
Reminds me of a poster no longer post here. His nick/username is psycogaucho. An Argentine with Italian and Irish heritage. Really fun guy. :lol: Especially when he's a bit drunk.

Miss him without ever having 'met' him.

My family was split in WW2, one part was communist, other part was nationalist, they fought each other :shrug:

That's something else.
Misha Glenny - The Balkans: 1804 - 2012, I finished in February, outstanding. The biggest problem I have is pronouncing the towns & surnames, even now it takes me twice as long to read a book on the Balkans than any other book.

star
04-14-2013, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the book tip. I just downloaded it.

ssin
04-14-2013, 09:23 PM
Miss him without ever having 'met' him.



That's something else.
Misha Glenny - The Balkans: 1804 - 2012, I finished in February, outstanding. The biggest problem I have is pronouncing the towns & surnames, even now it takes me twice as long to read a book on the Balkans than any other book.

I haven't read the book but I heard it's a quality, comprehensive study. He is often cited in ex-yu countries too, and his books are translated into local languages. The issue is indeed a complex one and it's a brave decision to embark on such project.

But many things depend on viewpoints, on "where you stand on". For example, if there are so many people, not least among historians, who will in unison proclaim Churchill, an overall unsavory character "a man of the century" I must beg to differ.

But Churchill did say something like Balkans produce more history than they can consume, and I fully agree. One another occasion, when he was told by his associate something like "Tito will turn Yugoslavia into a Soviet-like dictatorship", he retorted "Do you intend to live there?":)

If the book captures that sense of shaping the lives of the millions like it was a game of chess, I think the author maybe did a good job.;)

out_here_grindin
04-17-2013, 12:33 AM
I am 3/8 Italian. 2/8 Scottish. 2/8 French. 1/8 Canarian.