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Former Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is DEAD

Bilbo
10-20-2011, 12:14 PM
Media reporting that rebels captured Moammar Gadhafi. Some reports even say that he his dead.

Har-Tru
10-20-2011, 12:16 PM
I hope he isn't dead. Capturing your main enemy is one thing, but putting him to death summarily would only give arguments to those who say the rebels are not to be trusted, since only underdeveloped regimes do that.




Oh wait...

Bilbo
10-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Confirmed now that he's dead.

buddyholly
10-20-2011, 12:37 PM
Great. The US needs that oil.

alter ego
10-20-2011, 12:50 PM
I have seen this movie before. Makes me puke.

JolánGagó
10-20-2011, 01:17 PM
good riddance.

abraxas21
10-20-2011, 01:21 PM
just for the record, anyone who thinks the western interference in all of this was to help the libyans is fucken delusional

Kat_YYZ
10-20-2011, 01:22 PM
NID? The rebels are no different :shrug:
meet the new boss; same as the old boss...

jonathancrane
10-20-2011, 01:47 PM
Burn in hell :bigwave:

buddyholly
10-20-2011, 02:01 PM
just for the record, anyone who thinks the western interference in all of this was to help the libyans is fucken delusional

I see you're pissed off at this development. As ever, the wallflower at the party.

I hear Sarkozy's daughter is to be christened Muamma.

habibko
10-20-2011, 02:26 PM
wonderful news, I'm pessimistic about the situation post-revolution but anything will be better than this fucker, hope it works well for the Libyan people, they deserve better

Lopez
10-20-2011, 02:28 PM
Hope that the new regime won't be an overly religious one with some minorities being discriminated against like in some other nations in that area.

Not holding my breath though.

habibko
10-20-2011, 03:35 PM
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Getta
10-20-2011, 03:45 PM
a bit creepy and scary as hell

habibko
10-20-2011, 03:50 PM
not as scary as how it was like to live under his rule and try to oppose him

I hope Bashar and Saleh are next

Certinfy
10-20-2011, 04:06 PM
Good.

Everko
10-20-2011, 04:15 PM
This is good news overall. It hopefully makes a solid end to the turmoil. There will be some fighting left but hopefully this ends the main conflict.

Hian-GOAT
10-20-2011, 04:24 PM
Finally :yeah:

Everko
10-20-2011, 04:24 PM
Few of my neighbors are celebrating and have been for about half an hour now. I would join them but for some reason this dosen;t make me feel happy. It makes me feel finished(not right word but I dont know how to put it)

Johnny Groove
10-20-2011, 04:35 PM
This is now a crucial time for Libya and indeed the entire region.

Who takes control now? How will they rule?

The_Nadal_effect
10-20-2011, 05:45 PM
Why do I feel sad for Gaddafi? So strange.

But yes, huge challenges for Libya now.

Roadmap
10-20-2011, 05:49 PM
Gaddafi got owned.

buddyholly
10-20-2011, 06:29 PM
Few of my neighbors are celebrating and have been for about half an hour now. I would join them but for some reason this dosen;t make me feel happy. It makes me feel finished(not right word but I dont know how to put it)

In English, when someone is finally brought to justice, the families and friends of the victims are said to have reached ''closure.''

That sounds like what you want to say - ''finally, it's over, now we can all move on''.

Sunset of Age
10-20-2011, 06:29 PM
Good riddance but it would have been a lot better if he'd been brought to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to get his penalty for his crimes against humanity.

I have yet to see whether Lybia will indeed become a free county now. It could be case #213412763431264 of "the ruling moron is dead, welcome the next one". Let's hope not.

Castafiore
10-21-2011, 08:37 AM
I love this cartoon:
http://www.cagle.com/working/110823/darcy.jpg

And this one (esp. the B. Bunny "Assad season" bit), with apologies to Chuck Jones
http://www.cagle.com/working/110822/streeter.jpg

Source: www.cagle.com

Kolya
10-21-2011, 09:34 AM
I love this cartoon:
http://www.cagle.com/working/110823/darcy.jpg

And this one (esp. the B. Bunny "Assad season" bit), with apologies to Chuck Jones
http://www.cagle.com/working/110822/streeter.jpg

Source: www.cagle.com

No more plain green flag I see.

BTW what were the circumstances of his death after he was captured? They said he died because of his wounds or did someone promptly executed him?

Bilbo
10-21-2011, 11:39 AM
So Gadhafi was wearing a wig

Sunset of Age
10-21-2011, 12:38 PM
BTW what were the circumstances of his death after he was captured? They said he died because of his wounds or did someone promptly executed him?

Apparently the United Nations wants an investigation about Gadhaffi's death as the circumstances are 'unclear'. It is said that he was caught alive but 1) executed shortly after that, or 2) got hit by a bullet in the head (by accident?) after a consequetive shooting between 'rebels' and his own troops. There are reports around of 'rebels' having shouted *not* to kill him...

Castafiore
10-21-2011, 12:46 PM
Apparently the United Nations wants an investigation about Gadhaffi's death as the circumstances are 'unclear'. It is said that he was caught alive but 1) executed shortly after that, or 2) got hit by a bullet in the head (by accident?) after a consequetive shooting between 'rebels' and his own troops. There are reports around of 'rebels' having shouted *not* to kill him...
What would that lead to, though? Suppose they find out that one of the rebels did kill him with a bullet after the rebels captured him alive. Then what?

I can understand the need to investigate it but it risks opeing a can of worms, this. I mean, he's not the first 'terrorist' this year that was shot down without a trial.

Sunset of Age
10-21-2011, 12:55 PM
What would that lead to, though? Suppose they find out that one of the rebels did kill him with a bullet after the rebels captured him alive. Then what?

I can understand the need to investigate it but it risks opeing a can of worms, this. I mean, he's not the first 'terrorist' this year that was shot down without a trial.

Fully agree... unfortunately.

The only valid reason I can think of as to why the UN feel the need to investigate this, is that if it turns out that he was indeed executed directly, it may give some kind of an indication of the 'nature' of these rebels - not really the act of persons with some sense of 'justice' imho and it to me would cast doubts on how much a truly democratic and 'free' Lybia would indeed be possible in the near future. If it is at all.
I guess that whatever an outcome of this possible investigation, it would get disputed anyhows.

I know I express myself a bit poorly here. :)

EKSTREMISTA
10-21-2011, 01:14 PM
In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful...

For 40 years, or was it longer, I can't remember, I did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland from the desert. I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Reagan. When he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me; instead he killed that poor innocent child.

I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union; I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people's committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10-room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied. As selfish as they were they wanted more, and they told Americans and other visitors they needed "democracy" and "freedom," never realizing it was a cut-throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest.

But they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.

No, no matter what I did, it was never enough for some, but for others, they knew I was the son of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only true Arab and Muslim leader we've had since Salah'a'Deen, when he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I claimed Libya, for my people. It was his footsteps I tried to follow, to keep my people free from colonial domination -- from thieves who would steal from us...

Now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military history. My little African son, Obama, wants to kill me, to take away the freedom of our country, to take away our free housing, our free medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style thievery, called "capitalism."

But all of us in the Third World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the world, and the people suffer. So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die by following his path, the path that has made our country rich with farmland, with food and health, and even allowed us to help our African and Arab brothers and sisters to work here with us, in the Libyan Jammohouriyah.

I do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it.

Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stood up to betrayal, stood up to the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood with my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a beacon of light. When others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and in a tent. I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our national treasury foolishly, and like Salah'a'deen, our great Muslim leader, who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself.

In the West, some have called me "mad," "crazy," but they know the truth and continue to lie. They know that our land is independent and free, not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and has been clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last breath to keep us free. May Allah almighty help us to remain faithful and free.

~ by Muammar Gaddafi ~
April 17, 2011

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299170_203268583069678_143360419060495_547964_2388 682_n.jpg

out_here_grindin
10-21-2011, 01:41 PM
here's a post from the Clemson football forum about Gadhafi

In the early 70's, knew a grad student who was from Libya---good guy and very smart---after Moammar took over, he ordered all Libyans who were studying abroad home. The Clemson grad student didn't want to leave the US (loved the US and had developed something of relationship with an attractive young lady who was a Clemson undergrad).

When he sent a letter back saying that he was going to finish his Ph.d in the States and then come back, Qaddafy arrested his mother and father and threw them in prison.

He left for home the following Monday. I never heard from him again. I hope his life turned out well.

EKSTREMISTA
10-21-2011, 01:45 PM
Western democracy

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/311070_278691368830311_100000683501448_918378_1713 453290_n.jpg

out_here_grindin
10-21-2011, 02:02 PM
You want individual pictures of each dead Libyan citizen who was killed under Gadhafi's reign?

AdeyC
10-21-2011, 02:08 PM
Western democracy



Whilst it's by no means perfect we can at least vote out unpopular leaders and not be stuck with them for 42 years.

Getta
10-21-2011, 02:22 PM
but it would have been a lot better if he'd been brought to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to get his penalty for his crimes against humanity.

and his secrets apparently died with him :sad:

You want individual pictures of each dead Libyan citizen who was killed under Gadhafi's reign?

do we the conquerors really need to descend to the level of the conquered? :scratch:

out_here_grindin
10-21-2011, 02:57 PM
It would have been preferable to capture him alive. But no need to portray him as a martyr like that image with the 'western democracy' line does.

EKSTREMISTA
10-21-2011, 03:12 PM
You want individual pictures of each dead Libyan citizen who was killed under Gadhafi's reign?

Yes,if you can find those where Gadafi is posing with their dead bodies and taking photos.

Bilbo
10-21-2011, 03:15 PM
It would have been preferable to capture him alive. But no need to portray him as a martyr like that image with the 'western democracy' line does.

they captured him alive but something unknown between the videos where he's still alive and dead has happened

JolánGagó
10-21-2011, 04:48 PM
I hope he was properly tortured and not merely shot in the head.

ImmzB
10-21-2011, 05:09 PM
The Media don't mind posting Gadhafi's photos after he was murdered on televisions but Obama doesn't want to share Bin Laden's photos with us! :facepalm:

Sofonda Cox
10-21-2011, 06:41 PM
they captured him alive but something unknown between the videos where he's still alive and dead has happened

He's not dead, I saw him down Burger King.

abraxas21
10-21-2011, 06:52 PM
Whilst it's by no means perfect we can at least vote out unpopular leaders and not be stuck with them for 42 years.

you can welcome the new boss, same as the old boss

westerners like you are so naive. to think you have any type of control...

habibko
10-21-2011, 06:59 PM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/296374_129173567186703_124397354330991_139563_1096 313377_n.jpg

:lol:

Sofonda Cox
10-21-2011, 07:43 PM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/296374_129173567186703_124397354330991_139563_1096 313377_n.jpg

:lol:

:haha:

Corey Feldman
10-21-2011, 09:30 PM
nice dignified end for the big hard warrior.. screaming and begging for his life when he got found in his hiding hole

Havnt read this thread yet, is Buddyholly gutted? sad for the innocent one?

moronholly ;)

EKSTREMISTA
10-21-2011, 11:32 PM
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/310132_147022208719760_100002359447745_266848_4747 146_n.jpg

octatennis
10-22-2011, 01:11 AM
sad news. :sad:

octatennis
10-22-2011, 01:17 AM
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buddyholly
10-22-2011, 01:30 PM
you can welcome the new boss, same as the old boss

westerners like you are so naive. to think you have any type of control...

That chip on your shoulder just keeps getting bigger. Get over it. The world will never be as you wish it. Freedom is not having some faceless bureaucrat deciding what you will have for breakfast.

buddyholly
10-22-2011, 01:32 PM
nice dignified end for the big hard warrior.. screaming and begging for his life when he got found in his hiding hole

Havnt read this thread yet, is Buddyholly gutted? sad for the innocent one?

moronholly ;)

I am thrilled that you follow my every post. Twits like you need adult guidance.

Today I am so happy for all the people of Lockerbie. I'm doing cartwheels.

I just hope that the US can get their hands on all that oil before the Brits and French do.

buddyholly
10-22-2011, 01:38 PM
and his secrets apparently died with him :sad:



do we the conquerors really need to descend to the level of the conquered? :scratch:

There is no need to waste any more of the world's time and money in a trial.

abraxas21
10-22-2011, 01:45 PM
That chip on your shoulder just keeps getting bigger. Get over it. The world will never be as you wish it. Freedom is not having some faceless bureaucrat deciding what you will have for breakfast.

why do you keep following me like a puppy everytime i post something here?

buddyholly
10-22-2011, 01:48 PM
Puppies usually follow someone around because they like them.

I am, instead, kicking your ass for your stupid hissy fits at a world that does not care to spin to your orders. You are a one-note bore.

abraxas21
10-22-2011, 01:53 PM
Puppies usually follow someone around because they like them.

I am, instead, kicking your ass for your stupid hissy fits at a world that does not care to spin to your orders. You are a one-note bore.

whatever floats your boat, little puppy. i'll trow you an old piece of meat later on

buddyholly
10-22-2011, 02:04 PM
you can welcome the new boss, same as the old boss

westerners like you are so naive. to think you have any type of control...

Why the trail of dots? Don't you have the guts to finish a sentence?

buddyholly
10-22-2011, 02:11 PM
i'll trow you an old piece of meat later on

I assume you are describing your next post.

buddyholly
10-22-2011, 05:25 PM
Havnt read this thread yet, is Buddyholly gutted? sad for the innocent one?



Maybe you are confusing me with abraxas. With your IQ, which is lower than a haggis, I guess that is possible.

Gagsquet
10-22-2011, 05:36 PM
Shut up Buddyholly.
You only post in controversial threads and it's always the same bullshit coming from you.

EKSTREMISTA
10-22-2011, 06:06 PM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9966/29978626551635682583410.jpg

The_Nadal_effect
10-22-2011, 07:04 PM
Okay, for the last time: was it Qaddafi, Khadafi, Ghadhafi or Gaddaffi?

habibko
10-22-2011, 07:15 PM
Okay, for the last time: was it Qaddafi, Khadafi, Ghadhafi or Gaddaffi?

القذافي

the best literal pronunciation would be: Al-Qathafi (th as in the)

fast_clay
10-22-2011, 07:49 PM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9966/29978626551635682583410.jpg

:lol:

the wests arab reform well in motion

Corey Feldman
10-22-2011, 08:17 PM
frigging moronholly

cant believe that brilliant Mexican poster got banned years ago because of you

buddyholly
10-23-2011, 01:35 AM
Shut up Buddyholly.
You only post in controversial threads and it's always the same bullshit coming from you.

So you think this is a controversial thread?

I'm pretty sure he is dead, no controversy there.

Unless you see another conspiracy, to go with your perpetual motion car.
And if you read the thread you will see I had to post as a courtesy to Feldman, who was losing sleep over what I thought on this. And he needs a lot of sleep at his age.

buddyholly
10-23-2011, 01:37 AM
frigging moronholly

cant believe that brilliant Mexican poster got banned years ago because of you

Do you mean Jorge? Was he banned? I miss him a lot. He was worth more than you, abraxas and Assquet put together. He was glennmirnyi before glennmirnyi was glennmirnyi.

Oh, that is a long way back, in the good old days. Didn't you used to be its.like.that, or something similar and consider it the greatest fun ever invented to try and turn my green dots red? You haven't matured much in 7 years.

That is a pretty vile accusation. But of course, you just made it up, like all your posts. I have always said that even the most disgusting posts should be left up so that everyone can see them and see who posted them.

Jorge was such a tortured soul though, I often wondered if in real life he had committed suicide.

Can you explain your post more, or did you just say throw out an accusation out of frustration? Jorge's account appears to be still active, by the way.

Roadmap
10-23-2011, 02:02 AM
The rebels were a bad match up for Mugaffi. I hope he appreciated the feeling of being helpless :D

Roadmap
10-23-2011, 02:04 AM
Good riddance to bad rubbish as they say.

EddieNero
10-23-2011, 07:56 AM
Let's see how unbound and democratic Libya converts into poor country with no middle-class, frustrated society ending up with riots and another revolution.

Mateya
10-23-2011, 09:37 AM
Good for the world.

Good for the game. :p

MaxPower
10-23-2011, 10:21 AM
Yeah it was good to get rid of him but getting lynched like a rabid dog and then have the corpse of him and his son at display like some circus freaks left a bit of a sour taste. Replacing an inhumane tyrant by starting of with own inhumane and crazy things is never a good start. There is a long road ahead for Libya.

Khadafi/Gaddafi had so many billions saved up and yet the majority of the population lived in poverty. At the same time that is probably lesson 1 in dictator school. Make the people need you and fear you. Now too see what Libya can do with it's resources.

buddyholly
10-23-2011, 11:16 AM
Khadafi/Gaddafi had so many billions saved up and yet the majority of the population lived in poverty. At the same time that is probably lesson 1 in dictator school. Make the people need you and fear you. Now too see what Libya can do with it's resources.

The #1 lesson is knowing when to fold'em and when to hold'em.

He could be sunning his ugly mug on a Venezuelan beach now, being attended by a dozen Amazons.

MaxPower
10-23-2011, 11:44 AM
The #1 lesson is knowing when to fold'em and when to hold'em.

He could be sunning his ugly mug on a Venezuelan beach now, being attended by a dozen Amazons.

yeah that's a #1 lesson but it's an optional class in dictator school. Must go for the "I am a God and I'm indestructible" instead and then the fold'em option doesn't exist.

Gadhafi wasn't the first to rule for long time and then crash and burn in horrible fashion and he won't be the last.

buddyholly
10-23-2011, 12:20 PM
yeah that's a #1 lesson but it's an optional class in dictator school. Must go for the "I am a God and I'm indestructible" instead and then the fold'em option doesn't exist.

Gadhafi wasn't the first to rule for long time and then crash and burn in horrible fashion and he won't be the last.

It seems to be a genetic defect of most dictators that they eventually listen to their own rhetoric and believe they are universally beloved.

EKSTREMISTA
10-23-2011, 06:42 PM
Killing Gaddafi Spares ICC Embarrassment For US & Britain

Like Milosevic, Gaddafi would have thrust western support for Al-Qaeda fighters under the spotlight

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_83i4mzARadg/TJIq7KZ6d5I/AAAAAAAABgA/2FgsFY4KQ58/s400/zoran-spasojevic_peace-number-two-05.jpg

The death of Muammar Gaddafi, killed by NATO and US-backed rebels, will be hailed by western powers, not merely because they have now seized control of another oil-rich country under the dubious auspices of the “Arab Spring,” but because Gaddafi will be prevented from exposing western support for Al-Qaeda terrorists under the glare of a UN International Criminal Court trial.

Initial reports suggest that Gaddafi attempted to flee the town of Sirte but his convoy was bombed by NATO warplanes. Rebels then captured and killed the former Libyan leader by putting a bullet through his head.

The former Libyan leader’s untimely death conveniently avoids the embarrassment of having to put him in front of a United Nations tribunal at the Hague.

Western powers have learned this lesson the hard way – allowing alleged war criminals to stand trial and voice their grievances routinely implicates parties that would much prefer such information be kept out of the spotlight.

Instead of capturing Saddam Hussein alive and allowing him to stand trial, US forces would have probably been better off killing him on the spot. During his court case, Hussein presented a 5,000 word treatise chastising the Bush administration for concocting lies about WMD and links with Al-Qaeda to launch the invasion of Iraq. Before Saddam was executed, there was also talk of him calling Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger, who in the late 70′s forged alliances with Hussein, as defense witnesses.

Allowing another accused war criminal, Slobodan Milosevic, to stand trial, also proved to be a massive mistake for western interests.

In the case of Milosevic, his outbursts became so damaging that the UN decided it would be better to poison him to death rather than let him continue to expose the fact that western war crimes dwarfed anything he was accused of.

Milosevic had made several speeches in which he discussed how a group of shadowy internationalists had caused the chaos in the Balkans because it was the next step on the road to a “new world order.”

During his trial, Milosevic presented the Hague tribunal with FBI documents proving that the United States government and NATO provided financial and military support for Al-Qaeda to aid the Kosovo Liberation Army in its war against Serbia.

Before the trial concluded, Milosevic was found dead in his cell a day after he had wrote a letter stating, “They would like to poison me. I’m seriously concerned and worried.”

Similarly, had Muammar Gaddafi been given the opportunity to defend himself in front of an international tribunal, his testimony would have been devastating on everything from the staged Lockerbie false flag attack, the US and NATO slaughtering his children, to his secret deals with former heads of state like Tony Blair, to his more recent meeting with President Barack Obama.

Specifically, he would have also have blown the whistle on the fact that the overthrow of Libya was accomplished with the aid of Al-Qaeda terrorists who killed U.S. and British troops in Iraq.

Gaddafi may also have pointed to the plight of black Libyans, who are being imprisoned and slaughtered by rebel forces hailed by the establishment media as freedom fighters.

Now that Gaddafi is dead, Libya will fall victim to political extremists and face the same fate as Egypt, which since the US-backed “Arab Spring” at the start of the year which displaced Mubarak, has turned into an even worse tyranny overseen by a military dictatorship.

But the mainstream networks will merely continue to broadcast scenes of cheering men firing guns into the air, selling another act of cynical neo-imperialism as a glorious liberation.

*********************

Paul Joseph Watson

The_Nadal_effect
10-23-2011, 06:54 PM
But the mainstream networks will merely continue to broadcast scenes of cheering men firing guns into the air, selling another act of cynical neo-imperialism as a glorious liberation.


... and ironically, to most in the world - 'seeing is believing'. The US and UN as always will go down as the saviors.

buddyholly
10-23-2011, 07:13 PM
What is imperialistic about getting your own country back?

Corey Feldman
10-23-2011, 07:16 PM
shut up Rob Roy aka moronholly

octatennis
10-23-2011, 08:34 PM
Killing Gaddafi Spares ICC Embarrassment For US & Britain

Like Milosevic, Gaddafi would have thrust western support for Al-Qaeda fighters under the spotlight

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_83i4mzARadg/TJIq7KZ6d5I/AAAAAAAABgA/2FgsFY4KQ58/s400/zoran-spasojevic_peace-number-two-05.jpg

The death of Muammar Gaddafi, killed by NATO and US-backed rebels, will be hailed by western powers, not merely because they have now seized control of another oil-rich country under the dubious auspices of the “Arab Spring,” but because Gaddafi will be prevented from exposing western support for Al-Qaeda terrorists under the glare of a UN International Criminal Court trial.

Initial reports suggest that Gaddafi attempted to flee the town of Sirte but his convoy was bombed by NATO warplanes. Rebels then captured and killed the former Libyan leader by putting a bullet through his head.

The former Libyan leader’s untimely death conveniently avoids the embarrassment of having to put him in front of a United Nations tribunal at the Hague.

Western powers have learned this lesson the hard way – allowing alleged war criminals to stand trial and voice their grievances routinely implicates parties that would much prefer such information be kept out of the spotlight.

Instead of capturing Saddam Hussein alive and allowing him to stand trial, US forces would have probably been better off killing him on the spot. During his court case, Hussein presented a 5,000 word treatise chastising the Bush administration for concocting lies about WMD and links with Al-Qaeda to launch the invasion of Iraq. Before Saddam was executed, there was also talk of him calling Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger, who in the late 70′s forged alliances with Hussein, as defense witnesses.

Allowing another accused war criminal, Slobodan Milosevic, to stand trial, also proved to be a massive mistake for western interests.

In the case of Milosevic, his outbursts became so damaging that the UN decided it would be better to poison him to death rather than let him continue to expose the fact that western war crimes dwarfed anything he was accused of.

Milosevic had made several speeches in which he discussed how a group of shadowy internationalists had caused the chaos in the Balkans because it was the next step on the road to a “new world order.”

During his trial, Milosevic presented the Hague tribunal with FBI documents proving that the United States government and NATO provided financial and military support for Al-Qaeda to aid the Kosovo Liberation Army in its war against Serbia.

Before the trial concluded, Milosevic was found dead in his cell a day after he had wrote a letter stating, “They would like to poison me. I’m seriously concerned and worried.”

Similarly, had Muammar Gaddafi been given the opportunity to defend himself in front of an international tribunal, his testimony would have been devastating on everything from the staged Lockerbie false flag attack, the US and NATO slaughtering his children, to his secret deals with former heads of state like Tony Blair, to his more recent meeting with President Barack Obama.

Specifically, he would have also have blown the whistle on the fact that the overthrow of Libya was accomplished with the aid of Al-Qaeda terrorists who killed U.S. and British troops in Iraq.

Gaddafi may also have pointed to the plight of black Libyans, who are being imprisoned and slaughtered by rebel forces hailed by the establishment media as freedom fighters.

Now that Gaddafi is dead, Libya will fall victim to political extremists and face the same fate as Egypt, which since the US-backed “Arab Spring” at the start of the year which displaced Mubarak, has turned into an even worse tyranny overseen by a military dictatorship.

But the mainstream networks will merely continue to broadcast scenes of cheering men firing guns into the air, selling another act of cynical neo-imperialism as a glorious liberation.

*********************

Paul Joseph Watson

Let's see how unbound and democratic Libya converts into poor country with no middle-class, frustrated society ending up with riots and another revolution.


thank god, not everybody in the world are blind.

buddyholly
10-23-2011, 10:44 PM
shut up Rob Roy aka moronhollyI could have you banned for that.

You seem to be particularly grumpy this week. Never mind, you can start another one in 14 minutes.

But comparing me to Scotland's most loved folk hero is very touching, thanks for that.

Roadmap
10-23-2011, 10:57 PM
People feeling sorry for Mugaffi = :help:

Topspindoctor
10-24-2011, 05:02 AM
People feeling sorry for Mugaffi = :help:

People feeling sorry for anyone except close members of their family, girlfriends and wives are generally faking it. Do you really care that someone died a few thousand kilometres away from you? I sure don't. It may sound cruel, but it's the truth. I watch the news on TV regularly about people starving, dying in accidents and in wars and feel nothing. I am sure it's the same for 99% of other people. Why would I feel sorry for this Gadhafi character? Because media elevated him to a status of some wannabe warlord? Because he's some mediocre celebrity based on his actions? To me he's just another corpse.

Corey Feldman
10-24-2011, 08:58 AM
People feeling sorry for Mugaffi = :help:buddyholly just feels Gaddafi, Amanda Knox, Ted Bundy and Hitler were not hugged enough as a child :awww:

Time Violation
10-24-2011, 09:45 AM
Free at last! :lol:


http://www.blic.rs/data/files/2011-10-23/3334_2.jpg

JolánGagó
10-24-2011, 12:43 PM
Free at last! :lol:


http://www.blic.rs/data/files/2011-10-23/3334_2.jpg

So wrong to imply NATO intervenes only when there is oil... look at ex-Yugo, NATO saved it from itself even though you don't have shit that could be of use :shrug:

buddyholly
10-24-2011, 12:58 PM
buddyholly just feels Gaddafi not hugged enough as a child :awww:

First you write that I got a poster banned, but see no reason to say why you said that. Now, in spite of what is in the thread, you say I am a Gaadafi sympathiser, can not produce a single word in support. You seem to exist in a bubble where reality is not admitted.

Your posts have become so banal and ridiculously ignorant of factual content that I see no other mature recourse but to ignore your baby-like whimpering.
But please keep it up. We enjoy seeing the little baby in you. It has been a constant for seven years. Previously I thought it was just your immature years. Now I see that the years have done nothing for your intellect, except maybe to register a degree of regression. Maybe you don't get your nappy changed often enough, who knows?

Time Violation
10-24-2011, 01:37 PM
So wrong to imply NATO intervenes only when there is oil... look at ex-Yugo, NATO saved it from itself even though you don't have shit that could be of use :shrug:

I never said it's only for oil, however in this particular case it's pretty clear what was the objective. :)

Btw, implying that NATO's sole purpose here was to save Yugo from itself is completely retarded. Though that's precisely what can be expected from you, no surprise :lol:

abraxas21
10-24-2011, 02:43 PM
The truth is that only one section of people (mainly the Berbers) were up against him. It was not mass uprising like Tunisia, Egypt, Syria or Yemen (where the US is backing the dictator). So, it cannot be assumed that everyone in Libya is happy at what happened. But like people who have cowered under a dictator for 40 years, they know that they have to bend before their new American boss.

Gaddhafi wasn't tame. That was the problem. He had driven a very hard bargain. Such a person has his own power centre and cannot be controlled. Also, he was hated by the Gulf Arab Sheikhs.

Now, they have a poodle as the leader with no power of his own - military or financial. Also, the new poodle has no aspiration to compete with the Gulf Sheikhs and even if he did, he is in no position to do that.

Finally, the US, France and the Gulf states have a secure base in the Maghreb, that is not only close to possible trouble-spots like Tunisia and Egypt but also rich in oil and gas.

buddyholly
10-24-2011, 02:49 PM
But like people who have cowered under a dictator for 40 years, they know that they have to bend before their new American boss.

What I like most about your posts is your range of vision.

abraxas21
10-24-2011, 02:51 PM
What I like most about your posts is your range of vision.

maybe i should think like you and say the libyans "will get their country back". lol

it seems history hasn't taught you anything.

abraxas21
10-24-2011, 02:53 PM
People feeling sorry for Mugaffi = :help:

i don't mourn gaddafi but when you think of the murderers walking around as free men, hoping to have their reputations rehabilitated once the fuss they created has died down, photographs of Gaddafi's battered corpse should not fill us (or them?) with equanimity.

and despite the surface differences, western imperialists and islamic extremists have done alot of work together, helping to bring down old fashioned statist dictatorships and then dividing and ruling, the western imperialists get the oil and the reconstruction contracts, the religious extremists get the most brutal form of Sharia Law and the right to do whatever they want with the women of the country.

abraxas21
10-24-2011, 03:03 PM
NID? The rebels are no different :shrug:
meet the new boss; same as the old boss...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15428360

in the western media, when the rebels are on their side they're freedom fighters. when they're against them, they're terrorists.

Roadmap
10-24-2011, 03:05 PM
i don't mourn gaddafi but when you think of the murderers walking around as free men, hoping to have their reputations rehabilitated once the fuss they created has died down, photographs of Gaddafi's battered corpse should not fill us (or them?) with equanimity.

and despite the surface differences, western imperialists and islamic extremists have done alot of work together, helping to bring down old fashioned statist dictatorships and then dividing and ruling, the western imperialists get the oil and the reconstruction contracts, the religious extremists get the most brutal form of Sharia Law and the right to do whatever they want with the women of the country.

Indeed. Us (Britain) and the Americans were a great doubles team when we played the Iran masters back in 1953.

buddyholly
10-24-2011, 03:43 PM
The truth is that only one section of people (mainly the Berbers) were up against him. It was not mass uprising like Tunisia, Egypt, Syria or Yemen (where the US is backing the dictator). So, it cannot be assumed that everyone in Libya is happy at what happened. But like people who have cowered under a dictator for 40 years, they know that they have to bend before their new American boss.



I'm not sure where you are going with this, but you seem to be saying that no matter what anyone does, Obama owns their ass anyway, in which case doing nothing is the best option.

Stensland
10-24-2011, 09:17 PM
what about the billions of dollars stashed away by gadhafis people? i take it two of his sons are dead, his wife is about to get kicked out of algeria, so who's in charge of all the cash? obviously gadhafi has had all kinds of mental disorders but i'm fairly sure his entourage had come up with a plan to deal with all the cash.

@ buddyholly

have you been deployed to any maghreb nation as a geologist during your career? and if so, did you sense any resentment towards the leaders/dictators back then?

buddyholly
10-25-2011, 01:50 AM
@ buddyholly

have you been deployed to any maghreb nation as a geologist during your career? and if so, did you sense any resentment towards the leaders/dictators back then?

Fortunately I chose gold and so never had to go to the oil-producing nations.

But I saw a lot of resentment in Cuba. I imagine it would have been much the same elsewhere, once you knew the people well enough for them to express themselves freely.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2011, 02:20 AM
First you write that I got a poster banned, but see no reason to say why you said that. Now, in spite of what is in the thread, you say I am a Gaadafi sympathiser, can not produce a single word in support. You seem to exist in a bubble where reality is not admitted.

Your posts have become so banal and ridiculously ignorant of factual content that I see no other mature recourse but to ignore your baby-like whimpering.
But please keep it up. We enjoy seeing the little baby in you. It has been a constant for seven years. Previously I thought it was just your immature years. Now I see that the years have done nothing for your intellect, except maybe to register a degree of regression. Maybe you don't get your nappy changed often enough, who knows?come on, Edit it a few more times... i know you must have thought of a few more things you want to add ;)

bokehlicious
10-25-2011, 07:21 AM
Btw, implying that NATO's sole purpose here was to save Yugo from itself is completely retarded.

True, they also wanted to secure the rest of Europe.

EKSTREMISTA
10-25-2011, 07:55 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RPCVuinhPrw/TZvBrJlA0TI/AAAAAAAAL9o/8zTkyYNRJQo/s1600/libya%2Bcartoon.jpg

http://www.cndcymru.org/wp-content/uploads/UntitledSimpsons-DU.jpg


http://ikhras.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Iraq-cartoon.jpg

http://compliancecampaign.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/war-in-libya-cartoon-598x457.jpg

http://www.cartoonmovement.com/depot/cartoons/2011/03/yS_Cj7FfSpS9qP27EeIiqQ.jpeg

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4e6789e2ecad04dd3e000008/cartoon-97.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1680kDQA7b0/TkwJkvInEOI/AAAAAAAANn0/yp-emYok1vU/s400/4.jpg

buddyholly
10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
come on, Edit it a few more times... i know you must have thought of a few more things you want to add ;)

I'd just add, why do you post lies and then make no more comment when challenged?

Edit: Editing is just taking the trouble to get things right. You wouldn't understand.

Corey Feldman
10-25-2011, 02:33 PM
cant believe Jorge got perma banned because of a rat like you

buddyholly
10-25-2011, 03:05 PM
cant believe Jorge got perma banned because of a rat like you

Anyone can search "Jorge'' and see that his account is open. So you are actually perfectly justified in not believing it. You finally got something right. Congratulations.

He probably just quit posting around the time some spotty teenagers infested the site.

Stensland
10-25-2011, 05:10 PM
even though i don't consider myself as a part of the ever-growing pro-serb army on mtf, i do find some of those pics on point. obviously exaggerating, but still. the one with the oil can is pretty good.

btw is it true that france and britain needed to "borrow" missiles from america in order to carry out the attacks - because they didn*'t have enough on stock? :D hilarious.

@Sweet Cleopatra
10-25-2011, 10:52 PM
He was very bad and violent arrogant dictator, but I couldn't believe they did that to a corpse. This is totally barbaric and unnecessary, may complicate the future in a society that depends on traditions and families.

allpro
10-26-2011, 12:16 AM
praise allah.

EKSTREMISTA
10-26-2011, 08:22 AM
Gaddafi’s Handwritten Last Will Emerges

“I pledge that I will die as Muslim. Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives”, reads the last will and testament of the former Libya’s leader Muammar Gaddafi, published on his website Seven Days News.

According to the site, the handwritten document was made only few days before his death and was handed to three of his relatives, one of whom was killed, the second arrested and the third managed to escape the fighting in Sirte.

Here is the English translation of Gaddafi’s last will and testament, as published by the BBC.

"This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.

I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honorable image of its ancestors and heroes. The Libyan people should not relinquish the sacrifices of the free and best people.

I call on my supporters to continue the resistance, and fight any foreign aggressor against Libya, today, tomorrow and always.

Let the free people of the world know that we could have bargained over and sold out our cause in return for a personal secure and stable life. We received many offers to this effect but we chose to be at the vanguard of the confrontation as a badge of duty and honor.

Even if we do not win immediately, we will give a lesson to future generations that choosing to protect the nation is an honor and selling it out is the greatest betrayal that history will remember forever despite the attempts of the others to tell you otherwise."

Source: BBC

buddyholly
10-26-2011, 01:13 PM
Apparently he died penniless, then.

shiaben
10-27-2011, 05:06 AM
Hopefully the Saudi royal family, every other monarch, dictator, or fake president (i.e. rule over 20 years) goes down as well. People should elect leaders. There was some viral letter out on the internet after his letter talking about how he spends millions of dollars on healthcare, schools, electricity, water, almost everything you can imagine, but if all that was true, there wouldn't be a reason for the rebels to get rid of him.

EKSTREMISTA
10-31-2011, 01:28 PM
They start to celebrate victory to early.

http://youtu.be/UckqftI8QZI