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Everko
10-19-2011, 03:40 PM
I can barely watch. The players seem like they are playing on ice. Only big servers in. Some "tennis experts" on this site think this is the best surface to play on :rolleyes:. I guess its okay if have variety but the indoor season needs to be shorter. Also they are playing in cities where the sun goes down at 15:00.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 03:41 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS its great for tennis thats for sure........ I LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEE INDOORS:inlove: :inlove: :inlove:

orangehat
10-19-2011, 03:41 PM
Indoor tennis :drool:

Sonja1989
10-19-2011, 03:42 PM
What? :unsure: Indoor tennis is great. :hearts:

philosophicalarf
10-19-2011, 03:43 PM
"Indoor" tennis doesn't mean anything now. The slowest and fastest hard courts on tour are both indoors.

hotdog
10-19-2011, 03:44 PM
You are not a decent tennis player unless you can play indoors.

TBkeeper
10-19-2011, 03:44 PM
Yes at philosophicalarf ... they removed CARPET ! and it remained indoor ... what a shit

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 03:47 PM
I can barely watch. The players seem like they are playing on ice. Only big servers in. Some "tennis experts" on this site think this is the best surface to play on :rolleyes:. I guess its okay if have variety but the indoor season needs to be shorter. Also they are playing in cities where the sun goes down at 15:00.

Obviously you've started watching tennis in the last couple of years.

Everko
10-19-2011, 03:48 PM
You are not a decent tennis player unless you can play indoors.

old timer thinking

_Chaz
10-19-2011, 03:48 PM
Indoor tennis :hearts:

Sunset of Age
10-19-2011, 03:49 PM
Indoor tennis. :worship:

TennisOnWood
10-19-2011, 03:52 PM
Today it doesn't mean anything but this was :worship::worship:

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Ibracadabra
10-19-2011, 03:54 PM
Nadal sure doesn't

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 03:56 PM
thats because he doesnt have much time to get his shots ready he uses a western grip swing

Sapeod
10-19-2011, 03:58 PM
Everko hates indoor because Nadal hates it. Simple.


Indoors is great. The fastest courts left are indoors and the matches are great to watch.

philosophicalarf
10-19-2011, 03:59 PM
Today it doesn't mean anything but this was :worship::worship:

OPsu-zL2Ah0



That Sampras/Becker masters final was actually the first year they used the current surface (though more sand in it now, and perhaps slower balls). I liked the old singles court only though.

Anyway, the big question there: did Sampras lose a bet that forced him to play in only his underwear?

oranges
10-19-2011, 03:59 PM
Indoor tennis :hearts:

Everko clueless and without taste, what a shocker

Everko
10-19-2011, 04:03 PM
Everko hates indoor because Nadal hates it. Simple.


Indoors is great. The fastest courts left are indoors and the matches are great to watch.

the only reason you like it is because Murray sometimes wins indoors.

TennisOnWood
10-19-2011, 04:05 PM
That Sampras/Becker masters final was actually the first year they used the current surface (though more sand in it now, and slower balls).

Anyway, the big question there: did Sampras lose a bet that forced him to play in only his underwear?

Can you tell me more about that surface, I see you know a lot about that in general?

His shorts is funny :D

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 04:06 PM
the only reason you like it is because Murray sometimes wins indoors.

No. He probably likes it because it's good for tennis. Many people are sick and tired of those slow courts.Me too.

Sapeod
10-19-2011, 04:06 PM
the only reason you like it is because Murray sometimes wins indoors.
Hardly. Murray's good indoors, that helps a lot. BUT, indoors has some of the only fast courts left, so I like them. If Nadal was better indoors, you wouldn't have made this thread. You're angry because they aren't slow enough for Nadal.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 04:10 PM
Hardly. Murray's good indoors, that helps a lot. BUT, indoors has some of the only fast courts left, so I like them. If Nadal was better indoors, you wouldn't have made this thread. You're angry because they aren't slow enough for Nadal.

This. His fans want every single court to be damn slow.

Everko
10-19-2011, 04:14 PM
No. He probably likes it because it's good for tennis. Many people are sick and tired of those slow courts.Me too.

Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is. They allow more time and players have to think about each shot more. the matches last longr, players have to be stronger. Also because it takes more time the players have more time to hit ahot and think about it. It's a thinking man's curface and one only for the mentally strong. On slow courts it is easier to go insane on court because there is more time to think about mistakes or 2nd guess your shots. This is why only the mentally and physically strong and the smart survive the slow courts.

On fast courts players can get lucky more often. because players can just swing there heartout each shot and sometimes its a winner. You have to serve good but that's only one part of the tennis game.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 04:16 PM
Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is. They allow more time and players have to think about each shot more. the matches last longr, players have to be stronger. Also because it takes more time the players have more time to hit ahot and think about it. It's a thinking man's curface and one only for the mentally strong. On slow courts it is easier to go insane on court because there is more time to think about mistakes or 2nd guess your shots. This is why only the mentally and physically strong and the smart survive the slow courts.

On fast courts players can get lucky more often. because players can just swing there heartout each shot and sometimes its a winner. You have to serve good but that's only one part of the tennis game.

You would be a great lawyer for nadal.

merryploughbhoy
10-19-2011, 04:16 PM
Indoor is great, obviously its not exposed to the elements aswell which is more fair, players wont get unlucky gusts of wind when serving then seeing it die down after their service game. I play it at the gym, its better than playing outdoors in the winter. Indoor carpet court, now you're talking !

MaxPower
10-19-2011, 04:17 PM
"Indoor tennis" is nothing special. It's just tennis but you remove wind and other distractions. If your serve is good outdoors it should be even better indoors. If your forehand is good outdoors it's even better indoors and so on. Not every indoor court is fast either.

Indoor tennis usually reward players with great serve and great aggressive tennis as it is easier to go close to the lines and find angles. It usually punishes grinders and pushers who rather play way behind the baseline. That doesn't work on well indoors.

I see absolutely no problem in that. In fact that's how tennis should be imo. It should reward risk-taking and players that go for winners. The serve is supposed to be hard to break. If people want breakpoints in every game and no big serves there is always WTA for you

Johnny Groove
10-19-2011, 04:17 PM
Bring back carpet.

I love carpet.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 04:18 PM
"Indoor tennis" is nothing special. It's just tennis but you remove wind and other distractions. If your serve is good outdoors it should be even better indoors. If your forehand is good outdoors it's even better indoors and so on. Not every indoor court is fast either.

Indoor tennis usually reward players with great serve and great aggressive tennis as it is easier to go close to the lines and find angles. It usually punishes grinders and pushers who rather play way behind the baseline. That doesn't work on well indoors.

I see absolutely no problem in that. In fact that's how tennis should be imo. It should reward risk-taking and players that go for winners. The serve is supposed to be hard to break. If people want breakpoints in every game and no big serves there is always WTA for you

That is why it shows the real knowledge of players. Many players use wind as an advantage and same with the hot weather.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 04:20 PM
Everko hates indoor because Nadal hates it. Simple.


Indoors is great. The fastest courts left are indoors and the matches are great to watch.

Uh i know rafa doesnt do well on indoors but i still like indoors:confused:

Everko
10-19-2011, 04:21 PM
You would be a great lawyer for nadal.

no real answer. expected :rolleyes:

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 04:23 PM
no real answer. expected :rolleyes:

No real answer for no real person. Aren't you the one who changes his country flag sometimes? :lol:

Pirata.
10-19-2011, 04:25 PM
Bring back carpet.

I love carpet.

:worship:

ATP mugs let Fedal bully them around :o

Foxy
10-19-2011, 04:25 PM
Tennis is not meant to be played indoors. So is with football. These are outdoor sports. Everyone even with a peanut brain should turn off TV as soon as he sees indoor tennis.

Everko
10-19-2011, 04:26 PM
No real answer for no real person. Aren't you the one who changes his country flag sometimes? :lol:

uh no:rolleyes: I have never changed my flag.

Do you disagre with my points about clow courts? I think they are all true

LawrenceOfTennis
10-19-2011, 04:26 PM
Tennis is not meant to be played indoors. So is with football. These are outdoor sports. Everyone even with a peanut brain should turn off TV as soon as he sees indoor tennis.

another moonballer tard.

Sapeod
10-19-2011, 04:27 PM
Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is. They allow more time and players have to think about each shot more. the matches last longr, players have to be stronger. Also because it takes more time the players have more time to hit ahot and think about it. It's a thinking man's curface and one only for the mentally strong. On slow courts it is easier to go insane on court because there is more time to think about mistakes or 2nd guess your shots. This is why only the mentally and physically strong and the smart survive the slow courts.

On fast courts players can get lucky more often. because players can just swing there heartout each shot and sometimes its a winner. You have to serve good but that's only one part of the tennis game.
Translation:

Slower courts are the best because they allow Nadal to grind easier than fast courts and allow him to outlast his opponents, allowing him to win more matches.
Uh i know rafa doesnt do well on indoors but i still like indoors:confused:
You're one of the very few Nadaltards that actually like things that Nadal doesn't, then.

MuzzahLovah
10-19-2011, 04:30 PM
Screw them for getting rid of carpet

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 04:33 PM
why did they get rid of carpet, i know that wta tour has a carpet tourney which is in canada, but why tho, im jus curious? :unsure:

philosophicalarf
10-19-2011, 04:33 PM
Most carpet actually disappeared in the late 90s - the vid above was the year they switched the tour finals to hard, it was a carpet (Greenset Trophy I think?) before that.

Sunset of Age
10-19-2011, 04:35 PM
"Indoor tennis" is nothing special. It's just tennis but you remove wind and other distractions. If your serve is good outdoors it should be even better indoors. If your forehand is good outdoors it's even better indoors and so on. Not every indoor court is fast either.

Indoor tennis usually reward players with great serve and great aggressive tennis as it is easier to go close to the lines and find angles. It usually punishes grinders and pushers who rather play way behind the baseline. That doesn't work on well indoors.

I see absolutely no problem in that. In fact that's how tennis should be imo. It should reward risk-taking and players that go for winners. The serve is supposed to be hard to break. If people want breakpoints in every game and no big serves there is always WTA for you

In other words, indoor tennis rewards pure technique and aggressive shotmaking. :yeah:

Uh i know rafa doesnt do well on indoors but i still like indoors:confused:

:D

:worship:

ATP mugs let Fedal bully them around :o

Yeah. Pussies. :mad:

Stronga23
10-19-2011, 04:38 PM
I do because its the one time Gael doesnt break my heart besides RG. :sad:

philosophicalarf
10-19-2011, 04:38 PM
Almost all indoors courts are built on temporary wooden bases, so they don't have much bounce. Only exceptions I can think of are Moscow and Zagreb, which are on mats underneath - there might be a couple of others, that's off the top of my head. Certainly Paris masters and WTF are on boards, can't remember what Rotterdam is.

That basically makes retreating much behind the baseline counterproductive, because you end up hitting the ball 2 inches off the ground.

Pirata.
10-19-2011, 04:40 PM
If they aren't going to bring back carpet, they could at least make indoor courts faster. I was reading that one of the WTA players said that the surface in Moscow (or was it Luxembourg?) was so much slower than it was last year.

Slow indoor tennis :o

Fujee
10-19-2011, 04:41 PM
Why even gratify the OP amd this thread with replies?


Also, carpet was great. RIP

TennisOnWood
10-19-2011, 04:44 PM
Most carpet actually disappeared in the late 90s - the vid above was the year they switched the tour finals to hard, it was a carpet (Greenset Trophy I think?) before that.

This match is from 1996. and its still was Capret.. in 1997. they changed it to Hard (not sure why they done that cause in that year Grand Slam Cup, Basel, Singapore, Vienna, Lyon, Stuttgart, Paris and Moscow was still on Carpet, only Stockholm went to Hard)

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 04:44 PM
If they aren't going to bring back carpet, they could at least make indoor courts faster. I was reading that one of the WTA players said that the surface in Moscow (or was it Luxembourg?) was so much slower than it was last year.

Slow indoor tennis :o
i wanna know why did they get rid of stuggart(indoor), madrid(indoor, zurich(indoor):sobbing: those were some amazing tournaments

but madrid and stuggart on indoor clay:o

i rather have indoor carpet than indoor clay

Everko
10-19-2011, 04:47 PM
Why even gratify the OP amd this thread with replies?


Also, carpet was great. RIP

because it is an intresing discussion topic. Now scram

philosophicalarf
10-19-2011, 04:58 PM
This match is from 1996. and its still was Capret..

I know it's listed that way (there are often mistakes in the crossover years), but Greenset say hard.

TennisOnWood
10-19-2011, 05:08 PM
I know it's listed that way (there are often mistakes in the crossover years), but Greenset say hard.

Just saw that on thier site.. strange but I know how ATP can be wrong

Just saw pictres from 1995. tournament.. it was blue :D

philosophicalarf
10-19-2011, 05:14 PM
Just saw that on thier site.. strange but I know how ATP can be wrong

Just saw pictres from 1995. tournament.. it was blue :D

Yeah, 95 was last yr in Frankfurt, 96 first in Hanover. They can use any colour they like though of course.

The 96 vids didn't look much like Greenset Trophy tbh, although it's quite a few years back and carpet was starting to evolve a bit then. Who knows :-)

ZakMcCrack
10-19-2011, 05:20 PM
Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is. They allow more time and players have to think about each shot more. the matches last longr, players have to be stronger. Also because it takes more time the players have more time to hit ahot and think about it. It's a thinking man's curface and one only for the mentally strong. On slow courts it is easier to go insane on court because there is more time to think about mistakes or 2nd guess your shots. This is why only the mentally and physically strong and the smart survive the slow courts.

On fast courts players can get lucky more often. because players can just swing there heartout each shot and sometimes its a winner. You have to serve good but that's only one part of the tennis game.

If you had thought even longer and harder about your comment you might have found a way to thin it down even more by adding more and more repetitions. You sure like to puff up, eh?

Sophocles
10-19-2011, 05:21 PM
Good to see how humiliating the poll results are for the hapless OP.

Sonja1989
10-19-2011, 05:21 PM
No. He probably likes it because it's good for tennis. Many people are sick and tired of those slow courts.Me too.

Well I prefer slow courts. :p But I would be sick without any variety. I think it's important they play as different surfaces as they can. Good for them and us too. :)

And if a player doesn't like a surface, nothing is required, withdrawal is always a chance.

Orka_n
10-19-2011, 05:24 PM
Everko doesn't even realize himself that he only dislikes indoors because Nadal doesn't win there. Hilarious.

Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is.:haha: What a joke. Here's a short history lesson: Some years ago, all the surfaces had unique characteristics and because of that it was almost impossible to dominate on all of them. That resulted in surface specialists, contrasting playing styles and many exciting match-ups. Now everything has been slowed down to clay speed, which has made the sport much more boring.

Indoors is a great venue for tennis. They should keep the indoor courts quick though and stop the homogenization.

misty1
10-19-2011, 06:25 PM
not really.

Hian-GOAT
10-19-2011, 06:26 PM
I overall like it. Even if it's mainly a serve battle, indoor tennis allows players with a great power and speed to show their skills ;)

Clashcityrocker
10-19-2011, 07:33 PM
carpet should make a comeback !

abraxas21
10-19-2011, 07:56 PM
in everko's dream world, all the tournaments are played on outdoor clay in mallorca and algeria

xdrewitdajx
10-19-2011, 08:40 PM
it's coo

romismak
10-19-2011, 08:59 PM
Indoor is great. They are some issues -like it is to end of the year when players used to be more tired than before and that slams are over, but still i love it. Maybe indoor slam will be great, because WTF is only about best 8 and i would love to see more matches at some big indoor event- PAris hoe will be so fast like last year it was great. But what is best about indoor tennis is the conditions are perfect. MAybe some players could have trouble with lightning, but still no wind, no sun-hot and also when you are serving-smashing it can be disturbing. Without those 2 things indoor is great for how Mardy said great conditions and more likely better player will win. For example when you play outdoor, somebody can have trouble to handle wind and can loose, but he is clearly superior player, indoor he will win. So that is really what i like. Most indoors are fast surfaces, but they are also few medium-slower HC indoors and they are good too i think. I don´t think like some guys that indoor should be fast.

manadrainer
10-19-2011, 08:59 PM
...and like every year, since their idol sucks when he plays indoor, Nadulltards need something to talk about, and they bring out these incredible threads: indoor tennis sucks, WTF is less important than any 250 tournament, this part of the season is meaningless since our idol Nadull is so tired because he's been out there fighting for 8 months, he is a true Spartan and does not play Ballet tennis... etc. etc. etc.

Shirogane
10-19-2011, 09:41 PM
Everko doesn't even realize himself that he only dislikes indoors because Nadal doesn't win there. Hilarious.

Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is.:haha: What a joke. Here's a short history lesson: Some years ago, all the surfaces had unique characteristics and because of that it was almost impossible to dominate on all of them. That resulted in surface specialists, contrasting playing styles and many exciting match-ups. Now everything has been slowed down to clay speed, which has made the sport much more boring.

Indoors is a great venue for tennis. They should keep the indoor courts quick though and stop the homogenization.True shower, bad showers... reminds me of this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=10491428). :worship:

rocketassist
10-19-2011, 09:47 PM
Slow courts are the true shower of how good a player is. They allow more time and players have to think about each shot more. the matches last longr, players have to be stronger. Also because it takes more time the players have more time to hit ahot and think about it. It's a thinking man's curface and one only for the mentally strong. On slow courts it is easier to go insane on court because there is more time to think about mistakes or 2nd guess your shots. This is why only the mentally and physically strong and the smart survive the slow courts.

On fast courts players can get lucky more often. because players can just swing there heartout each shot and sometimes its a winner. You have to serve good but that's only one part of the tennis game.

BULLSHIT.

Nadal has 1 indoor title, ergo indoors sucks.

Go home.

Fujee
10-19-2011, 10:07 PM
Haha, I got bad repped by Everko and got told to "beat it" - big words internet warrior

Sunset of Age
10-19-2011, 10:16 PM
Haha, I got bad repped by Everko and got told to "beat it" - big words internet warrior

If only I could goodrep you back again. :hug:

Orka_n
10-19-2011, 10:24 PM
True shower, bad showers... reminds me of this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=10491428). :worship:Awesome, I had forgotten about that thread. Classic stuff.
Haha, I got bad repped by Everko and got told to "beat it" - big words internet warriorIt's been too long since I received a badrep from Everko. :(

out_here_grindin
10-19-2011, 10:25 PM
True shower, bad showers... reminds me of this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=10491428). :worship:

almost the exact same thread premise and some very similiar posts from Everko. He probably wanted to bump that one but saw it was locked.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 10:27 PM
so lemme get this straight:scratch:

everko thinks that indoor courts are for cheaters, while carpet courts are for winners:shrug:

allpro
10-19-2011, 10:31 PM
indoor tennis is good. with carpet it's even better.

The Magician
10-19-2011, 11:08 PM
This is why Everclown makes fixed polls in his thread which don't give you options. He's getting embarrased in this one :haha: Next time have all your poll options be: no, no way, absolutely not, indoors sucks, I love Nadull, and I love Everko :o

Sunset of Age
10-19-2011, 11:28 PM
so lemme get this straight:scratch:

everko thinks that indoor courts are for cheaters, while carpet courts are for winners:shrug:

Don't even try bothering with everko, his kind of 'logic' belongs to planet Alpha centauri or something the like. Oops. :help:

leng jai
10-19-2011, 11:48 PM
I've never heard the phrase "The Great Indoors"...ergo its CRAP.

Say Hey Kid
10-19-2011, 11:49 PM
I love indoor tennis, i love all tennis.

What makes tennis so uniquely special is the different surfaces and conditions and how they dramatically give certain players advantages due to the nature of their game.

it would be nice if the clay was slowed down, the grass was sped up, and the ATP stopped doing their best to homogenize the surfaces.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-19-2011, 11:49 PM
Don't even try bothering with everko, his kind of 'logic' belongs to planet Alpha centauri or something the like.

o i see:cool:

MTwEeZi
10-19-2011, 11:52 PM
Indoor tennis is bad for the game.

Fujee
10-19-2011, 11:52 PM
Tennis court homogenisation can go to hell.

MTwEeZi
10-19-2011, 11:53 PM
Tennis court homogenisation can go to hell.

Don't be a homophobe.

Sunset of Age
10-20-2011, 12:17 AM
Don't be a homophobe.

Another poster whose 'logic' derives from Alpha centauri. :worship:
Man, they are falling from the woodworks lately. :o

multiculti
10-20-2011, 12:24 AM
Indoor tennis is the pro tennis industry trying to milk a little extra money after all the real tennis has ended for the year... The last indoor tourney of the year which doesn't resemble any other tennis tournament in any which way... is a joke!

Tennis is meant to be played outdoors... Sun, wind, atmosphere... not a sterile environment that is called indoors...

Topspindoctor
10-20-2011, 12:28 AM
Dislike indoor tennis. Servefest and ballbasher heaven.

Riosreigned
10-20-2011, 01:03 AM
I used to really enjoy the late 90s events on TV from Stuttgart, Paris, the Eurocard Open, Hamburg. ESPN used to show a match each afternoon, really liked that quality of tennis, seeing the ball clearly, the quiet conditions. Patrick McEnroe and Cliff Dryddale were great together back then, Patrick was really on his game and you could sense the enthusiasm in his voice. He's still veryvery good but he was at his best then. Too bad German tennis sunk down and lost those events back then.

Orka_n
10-20-2011, 01:26 AM
Indoor tennis is bad for the game nadal.Corrected that for you

Sapeod
10-20-2011, 01:27 AM
Dislike indoor tennis. Servefest and ballbasher heaven.
Of course, you hate it. Nadal doesn't do well indoors :shrug:


The only reason anyone would hate indoors is if they are Nadaltards. That's the only reason. Only Nadal fans hate indoors, or fans of claycourters who can't even get any wins indoors.

Topspindoctor
10-20-2011, 01:55 AM
Of course, you hate it. Nadal doesn't do well indoors :shrug:


The only reason anyone would hate indoors is if they are Nadaltards. That's the only reason. Only Nadal fans hate indoors, or fans of claycourters who can't even get any wins indoors.

Tournaments where rallies end in 2-3 shots or serve dominated are boring; real tennis fans want to see exciting rallies. That's why carpet, fast grass and indoor hard have been phased out long before Nadal came into picture. Public wants to see tennis, not some serve-bot or a flat hitting clown ending every rally with shots which are impossible to retrive because of speed and low bounce.

rocketassist
10-20-2011, 01:57 AM
Tournaments where rallies end in 2-3 shots or serve dominated are boring; real tennis fans want to see exciting rallies. That's why carpet, fast grass and indoor hard have been phased out long before Nadal came into picture. Public wants to see tennis, not some serve-bot or a flat hitting clown ending every rally with shots which are impossible to retrive because of speed and low bounce.

Wrong.

REAL tennis fans want to see a contrast of styles- i.e. serve and volley on these courts and grass, brutal baseline exchanges on clay, and flat ballstriking on hardcourts.

fast_clay
10-20-2011, 02:36 AM
Wrong.

REAL tennis fans want to see a contrast of styles- i.e. serve and volley on these courts and grass, brutal baseline exchanges on clay, and flat ballstriking on hardcourts.

that is precisely what the real fans want, even if they don't know it... and i don't think it could be said in less words than how that was put just there...

Orka_n
10-20-2011, 03:04 AM
Wrong.

REAL tennis fans want to see a contrast of styles- i.e. serve and volley on these courts and grass, brutal baseline exchanges on clay, and flat ballstriking on hardcourts.[/thread]

No wait, let me correct that

[/MTF]

Topspindoctor
10-20-2011, 03:07 AM
Wrong.

REAL tennis fans want to see a contrast of styles- i.e. serve and volley on these courts and grass, brutal baseline exchanges on clay, and flat ballstriking on hardcourts.

Serve and S&V became too dominant in the 90's. Goran and Sampras turned Wimbledon into ace fests. Public was getting bored and in order for the sport to take a step forward and keep its popularity the surfaces HAD to be slowed down.

Serve is still THE most important shot in tennis today, just not AS dominant and that is a good thing. Lesser reliance on serve forces the players of today to be more athletic, more fit and to develop the technique of groundstrokes. The entertainment value of tennis has gone up significantly. People longing for acefests have forgotten how boring such matches were. One break, one mini-break and you could lose a set. It wasn't fun, didn't have any drama or suspense.

Kat_YYZ
10-20-2011, 03:38 AM
Indoor tennis is the pro tennis industry trying to milk a little extra money after all the real tennis has ended for the year... The last indoor tourney of the year which doesn't resemble any other tennis tournament in any which way... is a joke!

Tennis is meant to be played outdoors... Sun, wind, atmosphere... not a sterile environment that is called indoors...

Bzzzzz!! Wrong! :no:

Indoor tennis has a long history alongside outdoor tennis. Some would even say it is the original tennis. At least know your history before posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis

Getta
10-20-2011, 04:44 AM
i love it

EddieNero
10-20-2011, 06:58 AM
Indoor tennis is a really nice variation to outdoors.
I'm fond of the low bounce, court speed, exterior-free conditions, which helps attacking players to go for a shot instead of keeping the ball 2 meters from the line, promotes guys who take a huge risk.

Nevertheless, indoors turned into an infinite rally just like outdoor tennis on any surface and I expect to see the US Open continuation during WTF.

Fujee
10-20-2011, 11:48 AM
The ironic thing is, all these tards who support the homogenisation are diminishing Rafa's achievements. By supporting such actions, supports the argument that if they were all kept at varying speeds and bounces Rafa would never have won on them for they would be too quick.

rocketassist
10-20-2011, 01:02 PM
Serve and S&V became too dominant in the 90's. Goran and Sampras turned Wimbledon into ace fests. Public was getting bored and in order for the sport to take a step forward and keep its popularity the surfaces HAD to be slowed down.

Serve is still THE most important shot in tennis today, just not AS dominant and that is a good thing. Lesser reliance on serve forces the players of today to be more athletic, more fit and to develop the technique of groundstrokes. The entertainment value of tennis has gone up significantly. People longing for acefests have forgotten how boring such matches were. One break, one mini-break and you could lose a set. It wasn't fun, didn't have any drama or suspense.

Agassi won Wimbledon in 92 and 'big servers' Rafter, Courier, Becker, Pioline all got to finals. Some baseline hitters actually did pretty well. Pete was just too good.

As for the public was getting bored, not this public here. Ivanisevic-Rafter is still the most loved final in a poll by the BBC and 2001 the favourite recent tournament.

As for that, take the last line out. It's all about athleticism and fitness now. Ball striking ability matters little. Look at the Nadal-Nalbandian match in the once fast US Open a couple months back- Nalby painted the corners over and over and over and over and yet the ball somehow was still coming back on a tournament that was once fast. That's how homogenization has destroyed the game.

Everko
10-20-2011, 04:18 PM
I don't like indoor tennis very much. Some of you like it only because your favorite does well on it. You won't admit it. like Soderling fans. You try to make it sound like its the beauty game of it or whatever you say.

me complaining about indoor season. Is it any different than you Nadal haters complaining about clay season all the time?

barbadosan
10-20-2011, 04:31 PM
I don't like indoor tennis very much. of you like it only because your favorite does well on it. You won't admit it. like Soderling fans. You try to make it sound like its the beauty game of it or whatever you say.

me complaining about indoor season. Is it any different than you Nadal haters complaining about clay season all the time?

Why bother to start a poll if you're going to denigrate (to date) 81 people's choices. That suggests that a meagre 10 people's choices have validity, while over 80 people's don't. Only in your Alpha Centauri universe (TM credit to Sunset of Age)

oranges
10-20-2011, 10:04 PM
Everko and his projections :haha: God forbid admitting HE hates indoors because Nadal does too. Far more reasonable to assume over 80 percent of the polled lack rational capacity rather than him.

rocketassist
10-20-2011, 10:11 PM
I don't like indoor tennis very much. Some of you like it only because your favorite does well on it. You won't admit it. like Soderling fans. You try to make it sound like its the beauty game of it or whatever you say.

me complaining about indoor season. Is it any different than you Nadal haters complaining about clay season all the time?

Clay season has always been there. Unfortunately for you (and only you) so has the indoor season.

Orka_n
10-20-2011, 11:23 PM
I don't like indoor tennis very much. Some of you like it only because your favorite does well on it. You won't admit it. like Soderling fans. You try to make it sound like its the beauty game of it or whatever you say.

me complaining about indoor season. Is it any different than you Nadal haters complaining about clay season all the time?Except we don't.

:facepalm:

Pirata.
10-20-2011, 11:45 PM
me complaining about indoor season. Is it any different than you Nadal haters complaining about clay season all the time?

The main reason complain about clay season is because it's so damn long :o

Main tour events on clay in February and September? No thanks. Ferrer is one of my favourite players and he has done well on the SA clay but it's still idiotic to have a clay season right before two hard court Masters.

Topspindoctor
10-21-2011, 12:07 AM
The main reason complain about clay season is because it's so damn long :o

Main tour events on clay in February and September? No thanks. Ferrer is one of my favourite players and he has done well on the SA clay but it's still idiotic to have a clay season right before two hard court Masters.

Except that it isn't, that's how grass court season should be too.

Hard courts are a joke and dominate the tour and nobody complains about them.

Sapeod
10-21-2011, 12:11 AM
Claycourts are everywhere. They are before Indian Wells/Miami (which makes no sense) and they are after Wimbledon too which also makes absolutely no sense. The season goes hardcourt>>>clay/hardcourt>>Indian Wells/Miami>>>clay>>>grass>>clay/hardcourt>>>hardcourt>>indoors. Clay is in 2 places where it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be before Indian Wells and it shouldn't be after Wimbledon. The space between Miami and Queen's Club is specifically for clay. Nowhere else wants clay.

And hardcourt tennis is at least enjoyable all the time. Clay gets boring after 2 tournaments :wavey:

Topspindoctor
10-21-2011, 12:15 AM
If Mugray wasn't such a clay clown, you'd be speaking differently.

Sapeod
10-21-2011, 12:23 AM
If Mugray wasn't such a clay clown, you'd be speaking differently.
Hardly. Clay is boring. It can be exciting with the right players. Murray made the Djokovic and Nadal matches this year great because he was great. Without him, they would've been generic clay matches. Boring. Even if Andy won RG and was more succesful on the surface, clay would still be boring in my eyes. In fact, the only players I like consistently watching on clay are Ferrer, Murray and Federer. Montanes too, but I don't get to watch him that much. That's why the clay season is so boring. Only a few players are good to watch on the surface and the surface in general really brings down the level of play.

Clay = boring.

fast_clay
10-21-2011, 12:23 AM
wow... so much fail...

Ibracadabra
10-21-2011, 12:31 AM
Clay isn't boring at all, tennis is all about variety, just so happens there are more slow courts than fast courts.

Sapeod
10-21-2011, 12:34 AM
Clay isn't boring at all, tennis is all about variety, just so happens there are more slow courts than fast courts.
Clay is boring. After 2 tournaments, it's just tiresome and the season is so predictable it's sad.

Topspindoctor
10-21-2011, 12:40 AM
Clay is boring. After 2 tournaments, it's just tiresome and the season is so predictable it's sad.

Strictly your opinion. Hard court can be quite boring as well and it dominates the tour. Clay is at least something different, a surface where you can't just win by serving and ballbashing.

Sapeod
10-21-2011, 12:58 AM
Strictly your opinion. Hard court can be quite boring as well and it dominates the tour. Clay is at least something different, a surface where you can't just win by serving and ballbashing.
Clay is where you wait for opponent's errors 90% of the time. Very thrilling :clap2:

Naudio Spanlatine
10-21-2011, 01:48 AM
Clay is where you wait for opponent's errors 90% of the time. Very thrilling :clap2:
STFU with this :bs:, clay produces the best players, fed, nole, rafa, and even your BF murray loves this surface so you cant tell me that clay is BORING as you put it:bigwave:

rocketassist
10-21-2011, 02:26 AM
Clay is where you wait for opponent's errors 90% of the time. Very thrilling :clap2:

Not in the case of Guga, JCF and Gaudio to name three RG champions. There was a lot of great point construction from those guys and also the likes of Mantilla, Corretja etc.

You should be thankful in a way the clay field is so shit now and lacks this type of player, as Murray wouldn't be seeing RG semi finals if there was.

Orka_n
10-21-2011, 02:40 AM
wow... so much fail...Good summary of MTF right there, mate

Filo V.
10-21-2011, 02:56 AM
I like it when it plays like an indoor hardcourt should.

merryploughbhoy
10-21-2011, 05:49 AM
Agassi won Wimbledon in 92 and 'big servers' Rafter, Courier, Becker, Pioline all got to finals. Some baseline hitters actually did pretty well. Pete was just too good.

As for the public was getting bored, not this public here. Ivanisevic-Rafter is still the most loved final in a poll by the BBC and 2001 the favourite recent tournament.

As for that, take the last line out. It's all about athleticism and fitness now. Ball striking ability matters little. Look at the Nadal-Nalbandian match in the once fast US Open a couple months back- Nalby painted the corners over and over and over and over and yet the ball somehow was still coming back on a tournament that was once fast. That's how homogenization has destroyed the game.

Yes, but both Becker and Agassi were complete all round players, not just big serve like some... Clay does add a bit of spice to the year but I feel there are far too many clay tournaments and not enough grass, Clay does'nt reward the better TENNIS skilled player, more the cardio/strength brute.

merryploughbhoy
10-21-2011, 05:50 AM
Agassi won Wimbledon in 92 and 'big servers' Rafter, Courier, Becker, Pioline all got to finals. Some baseline hitters actually did pretty well. Pete was just too good.

As for the public was getting bored, not this public here. Ivanisevic-Rafter is still the most loved final in a poll by the BBC and 2001 the favourite recent tournament.

As for that, take the last line out. It's all about athleticism and fitness now. Ball striking ability matters little. Look at the Nadal-Nalbandian match in the once fast US Open a couple months back- Nalby painted the corners over and over and over and over and yet the ball somehow was still coming back on a tournament that was once fast. That's how homogenization has destroyed the game.

Yes, but both Becker and Agassi were complete all round players, not just big serve like some... Clay does add a bit of spice to the year but I feel there are far too many clay tournaments and not enough grass, Clay does'nt reward the better TENNIS skilled player, more the cardio/strength brute. Players who rely on the clay season only are nothing but dirt rats

merryploughbhoy
10-21-2011, 06:00 AM
Clay is boring. After 2 tournaments, it's just tiresome and the season is so predictable it's sad.

This is very true. One think please though my man... get rid of that stupid picture of Andy with that horid flag, the only reason he is holding it is because it's forced on him for the davis cup team GB thing etc, I don't think Murray is a pro union type of guy - he always flys our saltire on his wrists and the flag on his back, I'v heard that he is a SNP guy :) ALBA GO BRAGH !

guyha4
10-21-2011, 06:44 AM
merryploughbhoy is right
The clay court season is a bit boring and I think it's too long peroid of the season
The indoor tennis can produce some good tennis (I prefer REGULAR hard courts)and it's not true that there're no rallies (if you can, watch matches now in stockholm of Nalby, Dimitrov and Tomic who are very offensive players and play indoors rallies till someone goes to the net)

nole_no1
10-21-2011, 06:45 AM
Yes indoor tennis is great :D

martinatreue
10-21-2011, 03:38 PM
Agassi won Wimbledon in 92 and 'big servers' Rafter, Courier, Becker, Pioline all got to finals. Some baseline hitters actually did pretty well. Pete was just too good.

As for the public was getting bored, not this public here. Ivanisevic-Rafter is still the most loved final in a poll by the BBC and 2001 the favourite recent tournament.

As for that, take the last line out. It's all about athleticism and fitness now. Ball striking ability matters little. Look at the Nadal-Nalbandian match in the once fast US Open a couple months back- Nalby painted the corners over and over and over and over and yet the ball somehow was still coming back on a tournament that was once fast. That's how homogenization has destroyed the game.

Excellent post!!! I could not agree more. Players should be rewarded for hitting a series of good shots and a good solid volley. Slowing it down even further just causes players to get passed or hit nearly impossible volleys and that only encourages boring baseline grinding rallies. I like some variety in the match and in the game of tennis. I don't want to see all serving or all first-strike tennis either though. It's all about having a variety of speeds and surfaces which allow for many types of player to succeed. Indoor tennis though is great because it removes concerns about sunburn, heat exhaustion, wind, rain, etc. This allows for more precision and more aggressive play. Also the atmosphere in an indoor arena can be fantastic! I think the players need to have a few months to play in the fall without having to deal with the heat and the unpredictable weather. Not liking indoor tennis just seems weird to me.

mark73
10-21-2011, 04:29 PM
I won't enter this discussion because ive never come across such "great" minds. Minds that can't make the distinction between facts (a cow weighs more than a mouse) and matteres of taste (do you prefer mozart or beethoven?).

There is nothing to argue. NOTHING. All you can say is I like or I don't like indoor tennis and then give your PERSONAL reason for why you like it or why you don't.

syc23
10-21-2011, 10:42 PM
Don't like watching it, but love playing indoors. Less natural elements disrupting your game especially serve.

Everko
10-24-2011, 04:10 PM
Not in the case of Guga, JCF and Gaudio to name three RG champions. There was a lot of great point construction from those guys and also the likes of Mantilla, Corretja etc.

You should be thankful in a way the clay field is so shit now and lacks this type of player, as Murray wouldn't be seeing RG semi finals if there was.

you forgot Nadal. Forgive me I forget you wipe him from your memory because you are too scared to think about him too long.

MaxPower
10-24-2011, 05:19 PM
ATP did an article in light of the indoor season kicking off.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/10/Features/FedEx-Reliability-Career-Indoor-Records.aspx

Some highlights:

Ivan Lendl, No. 2 overall in the indoor list, who compiled a 344-71 (.829) indoor record including 41 titles, told ATPWorldTour.com, "Federer, Murray and Soderling all hit the ball pretty clean, which means they can be more aggressive. When I played, and even today, the faster the indoor court, the more aggressive you can and should be."

Former World No. 4 Gene Mayer revealed to ATPWorldTour.com, "Federer uses the benefits of the controlled atmosphere to hurry his opponents. Murray returns well and gains some pace of shot by the livelier conditions and Soderling can overpower his opponents by harnessing the extra power on top of his already powerful game."

For Mardy Fish, the list comes as no surprise. Playing indoors means one thing to the American. "Any time you have different variables -- cool and hot conditions, sun or wind -- it can sometimes be an equaliser," he admitted in Tokyo. "But a lot of the time, when the conditions are perfect, the better player wins more often than not."

"Indoor tennis favours players with weapons," said Gimelstob. "The controlled environment, no variables like sun or wind, gives aggressive players with weapons a huge advantage. Indoor tennis favours players who can finish points, that's one of the reasons Soderling is a great indoor player. Huge weapons everywhere on the court, serve, return, forehand and backhand.

"First strike tennis indoors is easier to execute, hurting players off the serve and return. It favours shot-makers like James Blake, that can turn defence into offence with one swing of the racquet. It is easier to execute high-risk tennis indoors due to the lack of variables. Adjusting to indoor tennis isn't overly difficult, it is more an adjustment to lighting as it is artificial not natural."

cobalt60
10-24-2011, 05:21 PM
ATP did an article in light of the indoor season kicking off.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/10/Features/FedEx-Reliability-Career-Indoor-Records.aspx

Some highlights:

good article thanks

LawrenceOfTennis
10-24-2011, 05:59 PM
Good article.
I simply cannot understand that some people don't like indoors.

Mr.Michael
10-24-2011, 08:31 PM
In the 80's and 90's it was simply amazing and exciting. Nowadays the season is pretty much over after The Open. The surface and the lack of quick courts are killing indoor tennis. The boring Asian circuit with empty stadiums is also crap. Only Bercy and Basel remain as some kind of classy tournaments. Vienna and Stockholm have been almost destroyed and then they have Valencia as a 500 event. Also the February season is pretty dull these days. Oh, just remembering the days of Stuttgart, Brussels, Philly and Memphis. Well, Memphis still hangs around, but it's useless.

rocketassist
10-24-2011, 09:33 PM
Gimelstob's words were spot on.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-24-2011, 09:38 PM
Gimelstob's words were spot on.

Exactly my thoughts.

Everko
10-26-2011, 04:53 PM
Shotmakers are the same thing as ballbashers. There are onyl a few shotmakers who are not. Like Golubev, Del Potro and Almagro.

Corey Feldman
10-26-2011, 04:56 PM
its the best time of the season

real courts

Egreen
10-26-2011, 04:56 PM
It's good stuff to watch to end the year.

rocketassist
10-27-2011, 12:35 AM
Shotmakers are the same thing as ballbashers. There are onyl a few shotmakers who are not. Like Golubev, Del Potro and Almagro.

Del Potro and Golubev a shotmaker :spit: :haha: :haha:

Fuck me.

Federer, Nalbandian, Rios, Gaudio, Santoro, Grosjean, Henman, Malisse, Arazi, El Aynaoui, Blake, Davydenko, Safin, Gonzalez, Kuerten, Wawrinka, Agassi, Haas, Kiefer..

you asked for shotmakers, there you go

Topspindoctor
10-27-2011, 01:06 AM
Shotmakers are the same thing as ballbashers. There are onyl a few shotmakers who are not. Like Golubev, Del Potro and Almagro.

Golubev and Del Potro are pure definition of brainless ball bashers with no tactics. They both belong on WTA tour along with clowns like Korolev, Istomin and Gabashvili.

fast_clay
10-27-2011, 01:23 AM
Shotmakers are the same thing as ballbashers. There are onyl a few shotmakers who are not. Like Golubev, Del Potro and Almagro.

sublime observation

rocketassist
10-27-2011, 01:45 AM
Golubev and Del Potro are pure definition of brainless ball bashers with no tactics. They both belong on WTA tour along with clowns like Korolev, Istomin and Gabashvili.

Haha one of Everko's idols owns him.

emotion
10-27-2011, 02:31 AM
Shotmakers are the same thing as ballbashers. There are onyl a few shotmakers who are not. Like Golubev, Del Potro and Almagro.

You're right, Golubev's sublime tactics and deft touch are what win him matches :o

Yungos
10-27-2011, 04:30 AM
Yungos loves indoor tennis

Everko
10-27-2011, 05:09 PM
exacly right WeeZi. Golubev has tons of talent. I have to disagree with the Doc on this one.

LoveFifteen
10-27-2011, 08:51 PM
Hardly. Clay is boring. It can be exciting with the right players. Murray made the Djokovic and Nadal matches this year great because he was great. Without him, they would've been generic clay matches. Boring. Even if Andy won RG and was more succesful on the surface, clay would still be boring in my eyes. In fact, the only players I like consistently watching on clay are Ferrer, Murray and Federer. Montanes too, but I don't get to watch him that much. That's why the clay season is so boring. Only a few players are good to watch on the surface and the surface in general really brings down the level of play.

Clay = boring.

The truth is that you're just bored by matches in which Andy Murray is not playing. ;)

Sofonda Cox
10-27-2011, 08:52 PM
The truth is that you're just bored by matches in which Andy Murray is not playing. ;)

It sums up his boring life.

Saberq
10-27-2011, 08:55 PM
Sapeod says Clay boring because Murray sucks ass on clay

Sofonda Cox
10-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Sapeod says Clay boring because Murray sucks ass on clay

It doesn't take a genius to work out whose.

Orka_n
10-27-2011, 10:00 PM
exacly right WeeZi. Golubev has tons of talent. I have to disagree with the Doc on this one.I kind of like Golubev, but the truth is he blows - as you can see from his results this year. And "shotmaker"? :lol: He has a little talent but he is the very definition of ballbasher.

Also, is the poll shaping up like you expected it to or what? Almost 90% like indoor tennis.

Sapeod
10-27-2011, 10:24 PM
Sapeod says Clay boring because Murray sucks ass on clay
Murray does well on clay. RG semi-final and semi-finals in Monte Carlo and Rome. If Murray sucked on clay so badly as you say, why did Nadal and Djokovic lose sets to him?? In fact, why was Djokovic getting owned by him before Murray brainfarted?? :bigwave:

No, clay is boring because it is boring :wavey:

Saberq
10-27-2011, 10:56 PM
Clay is boring is some ways but call me when Murray wins a clay tournament ....

rocketassist
10-28-2011, 12:14 AM
Golubev is a ballbasher and a choker- some of the winners he hits are fucking insane, but for Everko to credit him for a great fight after choking a double break against Nadal in the third set solely down to HIS OWN mistakes and nothing the Spaniard did, is mega :rolls:

yesh222
10-28-2011, 12:44 AM
No surface or style inherently bores me. Except Tomic. But I like having diversity. It makes players need different skill sets to stay at the top of the game.

Everko
10-31-2011, 03:40 PM
Also, is the poll shaping up like you expected it to or what? Almost 90% like indoor tennis.

It's what I expected. I knew most of this forum were Nadal haters or people who claim the best tennis is on fast courts. Only a few know better it seems

Orka_n
10-31-2011, 03:58 PM
It's what I expected. I knew most of this forum were Nadal haters or people who claim the best tennis is on fast courts. Only a few know better it seemsWhat a load of bull. This isn't about Nadal at all. And you sure are funny, opening up a poll only to belittle the posters who have a different opinion than you.

rocketassist
10-31-2011, 04:02 PM
Everko hasn't the foggiest about tennis history, let him go.

Everko
10-31-2011, 04:12 PM
What a load of bull. This isn't about Nadal at all. And you sure are funny, opening up a poll only to belittle the posters who have a different opinion than you.

I don't want it to be about nadal. But you made it. It's the reason you and others tear up the clay season and act like the indoor season is glorious.

tyruk14
10-31-2011, 04:18 PM
Man, I had about seventeen wanks over that Sampras-Becker highlight reel. I re-watch it every six months or so. Love it. Tennis. :worship:

mooncreek
10-31-2011, 04:35 PM
The number of players who actually grow up on indoor court is pretty high. Consider that the three who are best indoor are Federer, Soderling, and Murray - all players from countries where you really need to be indoors most of the year because it's too cold/windy/dreary to seriously practice outdoors. You couldn't say those three play the same style.

I wouldn't want it year-round but when weather like at the US Open occurs, this is a solid backup. Those indoor events with the arena setting does make for more excitement from the fans.

Orka_n
10-31-2011, 05:18 PM
I don't want it to be about nadal. But you made it. It's the reason you and others tear up the clay season and act like the indoor season is glorious.:lol: Good stuff mr Delusion.

tribalfusion
10-31-2011, 10:38 PM
:lol: Good stuff mr Delusion.

Actually it does seem to break down along those lines on here quite often, consciously or otherwise

tribalfusion
10-31-2011, 10:48 PM
Of course, you hate it. Nadal doesn't do well indoors :shrug:


The only reason anyone would hate indoors is if they are Nadaltards. That's the only reason. Only Nadal fans hate indoors, or fans of claycourters who can't even get any wins indoors.


Actually what happened in London at the last major indoor Nadal/Murray match? Would that mean Murray does even less well by your bizarre standard? Nadal beat everyone but Federer at the last tour finals and he had his chances there as well. He's a very solid player on the surface because he is a great player though obviously it is not his best.

Anyway the lines here certainly do seem to be largely drawn according to people's player preferences in any case.

FedererDjokovic
11-01-2011, 03:25 AM
I think indoor is good because it's least affected by outside factor like wind and rain. Pure control and nothing based on lucky bounce because the surface is usually in better condition.

Art(e)mio
11-02-2011, 12:04 PM
Indoor tennis is just adorable to watch both from court and on TV.

Everko
11-02-2011, 04:11 PM
:lol: Good stuff mr Delusion.

YOU calling me Mr.Delusion :haha:

rocketassist
11-02-2011, 04:20 PM
YOU calling me Mr.Delusion :haha:

You ARE deluded though. You think everyone here hates clay, when clay has been there since the sport's baby years.

You just don't respect the history of the game, just prefer all conditions to be perfect for Nadal and fuck the rest.

Everko
11-14-2011, 03:51 PM
Paris was a joke tournament. Good thing Nadal pulled out of it, he should not have to waste his time there in tournaments like that. ATP needs to wake up

Corey Feldman
11-14-2011, 04:00 PM
best part of the year

rocketassist
11-14-2011, 09:14 PM
Suck it, baby.

Everko
11-28-2011, 02:34 AM
Clwon season ends in the most clownish way. Federer himself lives on Mt.Clown, making this event seem like he won a calendar slam. I can't believe so many people think this event shows anything about Federer and next season.

Book this.

Winning this means nothing. Federer will have a worse 2012 than he did 2011

guga2120
11-28-2011, 02:42 AM
Clwon season ends in the most clownish way. Federer himself lives on Mt.Clown, making this event seem like he won a calendar slam. I can't believe so many people think this event shows anything about Federer and next season.

Book this.

Winning this means nothing. Federer will have a worse 2012 than he did 2011

Well said.:)

It's a big tournament clearly, but we all know the real reason he won this year.

atennisfan
11-28-2011, 02:54 AM
I love watching indoors.

atennisfan
11-28-2011, 02:57 AM
And YEC is great!

It's unique, the 8 are all playing, they all play each other in RR format, and it shows who has the biggest talent because it eliminates the mug and fluke factors.

Pirata.
11-28-2011, 02:59 AM
Everko whining when Fed does well on what has been his best surface for the last two years :baby:

Everko
11-28-2011, 03:07 AM
And YEC is great!

It's unique, the 8 are all playing, they all play each other in RR format, and it shows who has the biggest talent because it eliminates the mug and fluke factors.

the only thing it eliminates is real tennis. the surface was slicker than ice. Why else were the players complaining and some of the tennis experts saying that it was not fit for play, even dangerous?

Arkulari
11-28-2011, 03:31 AM
it's good to see variety after a year of slow courts.

of course if all year was indoor-fast it would also be very boring, balance is needed.

SetSampras
11-28-2011, 03:33 AM
Used to.. When the top guys actually gave a shit about it. Now its just another tournament with pretty much no meaning at the end of the year at a time when guys don't want to play

Corey Feldman
11-28-2011, 02:49 PM
Used to.. When the top guys actually gave a shit about it. Now its just another tournament with pretty much no meaning at the end of the year at a time when guys don't want to play:lol:

Start da Game
11-28-2011, 02:56 PM
Used to.. When the top guys actually gave a shit about it. Now its just another tournament with pretty much no meaning at the end of the year at a time when guys don't want to play

exactly that's it.....

magnoliaewan
11-28-2011, 02:56 PM
LOL at how it's only the Fed haters who suddenly hate indoor tennis.

Sophocles
11-28-2011, 03:00 PM
All true tennis fans love it.

mark73
11-28-2011, 03:05 PM
Clwon season ends in the most clownish way. Federer himself lives on Mt.Clown, making this event seem like he won a calendar slam. I can't believe so many people think this event shows anything about Federer and next season.

Book this.

Winning this means nothing. Federer will have a worse 2012 than he did 2011

Read your "Federer will fall thread". You said he would be number 5 or 6 by the end of 2010, he was number 2. This year he ended number 3.

Although he might end the year worse then number 3 don't be surprised if he briefly reaches number one next year after Wimby and before Basel. He just collected 3000 points and the other big four collected each under 500.

mark73
11-28-2011, 03:06 PM
Used to.. When the top guys actually gave a shit about it. Now its just another tournament with pretty much no meaning at the end of the year at a time when guys don't want to play

:sad:

mark73
11-28-2011, 03:07 PM
exactly that's it.....

:sad:

Luinir
11-28-2011, 04:02 PM
no. it's not real tennis. if you can't deal with wind you are not a tennis player then. give up and play basketball or else.

fsoica
11-28-2011, 04:55 PM
this IS real tennis:

gwJjNpoHJgg

HKz
11-28-2011, 05:26 PM
If Nadal won more on indoor surfaces, this thread would have never been made.

DTL
11-29-2011, 06:53 AM
Where is the "My favorite player loses here often. That is why I pretend it is bad tennis" option?

Everko
11-29-2011, 08:57 PM
Where is the "My favorite player loses here often. That is why I pretend it is bad tennis" option?

:o

MatchFederer
11-29-2011, 09:15 PM
:o

He/she makes a point which is bordering on the miraculous. Can you take heed of the implicit insinuation and respond appropriately?

Everko
10-03-2012, 04:09 PM
The season is around the corner. For me its the end of the year. It's mild entertainment although more anger than happy.

Honestly
10-03-2012, 04:17 PM
The season is around the corner. For me its the end of the year. It's mild entertainment although more anger than happy.

:o

Federer in 2
10-03-2012, 04:28 PM
I think I might know the reason why you can barely watch.

TigerTim
10-03-2012, 04:31 PM
Everko needs to update his sig :superlol:

and add Best damn tard I've ever seen on MTF. You should be awarded for being a comedian. Some of us out here noticed it and appreciated it.

Everko
10-03-2012, 04:31 PM
I think I might know the reason why you can barely watch.

ball bashers making errors and winning. Tactically thickskulled players doing better because they are playing on a surface built for them.

Sapeod
10-03-2012, 04:53 PM
With Nadal out you can't even watch him fail indoors. Sucks to be you.

Actually, I'd prefer to watch him fail that not watching him at all. It's more entertaining.

lemon99
10-03-2012, 04:54 PM
ball bashers making errors and winning. Tactically thickskulled players doing better because they are playing on a surface built for them.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the laugh ;)

6 > 0 :nerner:

IOFH
10-03-2012, 05:05 PM
The truest form of tennis. No external factors, just you, the opponent and the ball.

Honestly
10-03-2012, 05:15 PM
I think I might know the reason why you can barely watch.

Everko needs to update his sig :superlol:

and add

With Nadal out you can't even watch him fail indoors. Sucks to be you.

Actually, I'd prefer to watch him fail that not watching him at all. It's more entertaining.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the laugh ;)

6 > 0 :nerner:

:lol:

The truest form of tennis. No external factors, just you, the opponent and the ball.

You may have stolen this comment from me but good one anyway. Indoor is the best tennis. And I'm not saying this cos Nadull's one dimensional tennis is exposed on it.

Everko
10-03-2012, 05:18 PM
:lol:



You may have stolen this comment from me but good one anyway. Indoor is the best tennis. And I'm not saying this cos Nadull's one dimensional tennis is exposed on it.

stop lying

Honestly
10-03-2012, 05:23 PM
stop lying

Fix your mug sig.

romismak
10-03-2012, 06:10 PM
Yes i like indoor tennis, even with those slow surfaces it is still different kind of tennis, serve is bigger weapon and perfect conditions favour talented guys or guys with weapons- big serve, big FH - agressive gamestyle. For example guys like Nalbandian or Davydenko never had big weapons but their talent and skills are what makes them better indoors than outdoors - clean hitting, with no wind and so on. I really like indoor tennis, because better players are in better position here to win thanks to easy-clean conditions without outdoor elements.

Julián Santiago
10-03-2012, 06:26 PM
The truest form of tennis. No external factors, just you, the opponent and the ball.

:worship:

TennisOnWood
10-03-2012, 06:31 PM
Yes i like indoor tennis, even with those slow surfaces it is still different kind of tennis, serve is bigger weapon and perfect conditions favour talented guys or guys with weapons- big serve, big FH - agressive gamestyle. For example guys like Nalbandian or Davydenko never had big weapons but their talent and skills are what makes them better indoors than outdoors - clean hitting, with no wind and so on. I really like indoor tennis, because better players are in better position here to win thanks to easy-clean conditions without outdoor elements.

Didn't saw this in last few weeks

romismak
10-03-2012, 06:41 PM
Didn't saw this in last few weeks

you meant probably those slow indoor asian 250s or DC matches few weeks ago- but generally i believe indoor tennis really is better for those guys i wrote- bigger serve is weapon indoors - just thanks to no wind - Soderling or Berdych would tell you with their high toss, and also no crazy wind like USO - so not guy who ,,survive,, out there wins but guy who is reallly better - should win.

Orange Wombat
10-03-2012, 06:46 PM
It depends on the courts. Paris courts are awful and high-bouncing, but I like the smooth Dubai courts.

TigerTim
10-03-2012, 06:51 PM
Clwon season ends in the most clownish way. Federer himself lives on Mt.Clown, making this event seem like he won a calendar slam. I can't believe so many people think this event shows anything about Federer and next season.

Book this.

Winning this means nothing. Federer will have a worse 2012 than he did 2011

:superlol:

GOLD :haha:

rocketassist
10-03-2012, 06:56 PM
Everko is my vote for ACC. Not just his two failed predictions, but the fact he insists they're still true :spit:

TigerTim
10-03-2012, 06:58 PM
Everko appears to be failing.

He and Big John will do well for sure :lol:

TennisOnWood
10-03-2012, 07:59 PM
you meant probably those slow indoor asian 250s or DC matches few weeks ago- but generally i believe indoor tennis really is better for those guys i wrote- bigger serve is weapon indoors - just thanks to no wind - Soderling or Berdych would tell you with their high toss, and also no crazy wind like USO - so not guy who ,,survive,, out there wins but guy who is reallly better - should win.

Yeah, they were opprobrium for whole concept of Indoor tennis but I got your point, and it was like that in the past

Honestly
10-03-2012, 08:45 PM
:superlol:

GOLD :haha:

Everko is my vote for ACC. Not just his two failed predictions, but the fact he insists they're still true :spit:

Everko appears to be failing.

He and Big John will do well for sure :lol:

See my sig.

TigerTim
10-03-2012, 08:49 PM
See my sig.

:yeah:

on topic:
N3rGPOde5Ss&

:hearts:

TennisOnWood
10-03-2012, 08:50 PM
And that, for change, was REAL Indoor tennis

Marcoo
10-03-2012, 09:46 PM
Well i definitely prefer outdoor :D more free outside and the sunrise changing during the match ;)

BigJohn
10-03-2012, 09:54 PM
He and Big John will do well for sure :lol:

:rolleyes:

You need better understanding of what the contest is about.

BigJohn
10-03-2012, 09:57 PM
From what I can see from the results, it appears that 90% of people completely disagree with Everfail...

rocketassist
10-03-2012, 10:16 PM
The real slam count:

Federer 14
Nadal 11
Djokovic 5
Del Potro 1
Safin 1
Roddick 1

Murray has 0, Sampras has 0, Borg has 0. Any slam before Wimbledon 2003 is void because Rafael Nadal wasn't in the draw.

TigerTim
10-03-2012, 10:25 PM
:lol:

The Prince
10-03-2012, 10:47 PM
:lol:

Honestly
10-03-2012, 11:42 PM
:lol:

Sapeod
10-04-2012, 06:19 PM
It will be quite amusing trying to see Nadal play indoors after an injury :lol:

TigerTim
10-04-2012, 07:55 PM
damn you Sapeod for ruining the :lol: line

Sapeod
10-04-2012, 09:16 PM
:lol:

Honestly
10-04-2012, 11:35 PM
damn you Sapeod for ruining the :lol: line

I was thinking the same thing :( But I got in before him :D

Tag
10-05-2012, 12:14 AM
yes

it's real tennis

redshift36188
10-05-2012, 12:49 AM
yes

it's real tennis
no

indoor tennis is what we play on our consoles

Tag
10-05-2012, 01:45 AM
no

indoor tennis is what we play on our consoles

no, that's slow hard court tennis

Topspindoctor
10-05-2012, 01:47 AM
Indoor tennis is for mindless serve bots/ballbashers with no game. Tennis is an outdoor sport, every true tennis fan knows that...

Honestly
10-05-2012, 01:48 AM
Indoor tennis is for mindless serve bots/ballbashers with no game. Tennis is an outdoor sport, every true tennis fan knows that...

Coming from a Dulltard your statement has no credibility whatsoever. Sorry to break it to ya.

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 01:50 AM
this thread :rolls:
Oh wait, it was started by Everfail. I should have known.

GOATsol
10-05-2012, 01:52 AM
It will be quite amusing trying to see Nadal play indoors after an injury :lol:
Agreed :lol:

Tag
10-05-2012, 01:56 AM
Indoor tennis is for mindless serve bots/ballbashers with no game. Tennis is an outdoor sport, every true tennis fan knows that...

clearly where nadal has made a strategical blunder in his career

should serve like sampras, and bash like blake

might win the Year End Championship then

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 01:57 AM
Read your "Federer will fall thread". You said he would be number 5 or 6 by the end of 2010, he was number 2. This year he ended number 3.

Although he might end the year worse then number 3 don't be surprised if he briefly reaches number one next year after Wimby and before Basel. He just collected 3000 points and the other big four collected each under 500.

Hear hear. What foresight, even more in this particular Everclown thread :worship: :worship: :worship:

Everclown fail whatever, please give us more of your immaculate anti-predictions, we're looking forward to them. :bowdown:

viruzzz
10-05-2012, 01:59 AM
Wow. Everko, how does it feel to fail in every thread?

Topspindoctor
10-05-2012, 02:01 AM
Everko is a solid poster. Haters gonna hate.

Honestly
10-05-2012, 02:03 AM
Hear hear. What foresight, even more in this particular Everclown thread :worship: :worship: :worship:

Everclown fail whatever, please give us more of your immaculate predictions, we're looking forward to them. :bowdown:

I'm actually not sure who fails the hardest between Everfail and Topspinfail. It's damn close.

Topspindoctor
10-05-2012, 02:04 AM
I'm actually not sure who fails the hardest between Everfail and Topspinfail. It's damn close.

As if anyone gives a shit about you, Noserer double account. :lol:

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 02:07 AM
I'm actually not sure who fails the hardest between Everfail and Topspinfail. It's damn close.

I have to excuse myself on this decision as I haven't been around all that often lately, but from what I remember, TopSpinny always made me laugh (as bad as his trollage obviously was - I enjoyed it! ;)), whereas Everfail cum suis's posts only made me cringe :o - the difference between a friendly troll and and... a cave troll... :help:

Honestly
10-05-2012, 02:14 AM
I have to excuse myself on this decision as I haven't been around all that often lately, but from what I remember, TopSpinny always made me laugh (as bad as his trollage obviously was - I enjoyed it! ;)), whereas Everfail cum suis's posts only made me cringe :o...

Yeah you clearly haven't been around much. Just about everyone on this forum has had a quote in their sig where Topspinny failed even harder than Everfail. He is like the local whore who has slept with everyone and who everyone calls a slut behind her back. He has no shame like that, like his hero. Just keeps making the most dumbass comments in prediction threads. No shame, pride, or dignity whatsoever.

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 02:18 AM
Yeah you clearly haven't been around much. Just about everyone on this forum has had a quote in their sig where Topspinny failed even harder than Everfail. He is like the local whore who has slept with everyone and who everyone calls a slut behind her back. He has no shame like that, like his hero. Just keeps making the most dumbass comments in prediction threads. No shame, pride, or dignity whatsoever.

Perhaps I did indeed miss certain things happening around here lately, but ever so, I feel your comments might well be a mite out-of-order, here....
In other words, I think you're out of the loop with your accusations. Perhaps even regarding both of the culprits/accused... yes I know both of them are annoying trolls :p :rolleyes:

Keep it civil, eh? I mean it friendly. :)

rocketassist
10-05-2012, 02:18 AM
Yeah you clearly haven't been around much. Just about everyone on this forum has had a quote in their sig where Topspinny failed even harder than Everfail. He is like the local whore who has slept with everyone and who everyone calls a slut behind her back. He has no shame like that, like his hero. Just keeps making the most dumbass comments in prediction threads. No shame, pride, or dignity whatsoever.

The Doc trolls deliberately, Everko means everything he says. Not even a contest who's worse.

Honestly
10-05-2012, 02:20 AM
Perhaps I did indeed miss certain things happening around here lately, but ever so, I feel your comments might well be a mite out-of-order, here.... :rolleyes:

Oh you are a Fedull. Sorry, I forgot. Don't know how that is even possible.

GOATsol
10-05-2012, 02:22 AM
Tdoc seems somewhat friendly, but gives the meanest bad reps :sobbing:

But he's hilarious and makes the MTF experience more enjoyable, so thank you!

Honestly
10-05-2012, 02:25 AM
Perhaps I did indeed miss certain things happening around here lately, but ever so, I feel your comments might well be a mite out-of-order, here....
In other words, I think you're out of the loop with your accusations. Perhaps even regarding both of the culprits/accused... yes I know both of them are annoying trolls :p :rolleyes:

Keep it civil, eh? I mean it friendly. :)

Lol you already edited your comment twice. Want another go before I quote it again? ;)

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 02:27 AM
Lol you already edited your comment twice. Want another go before I quote it again? ;)
You're welcome. :D

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 02:30 AM
Oh you are a Fedull. Sorry, I forgot. Don't know how that is even possible.

No, I don't know either what that is... neither how 'it' is possible... :scratch:

Matt01
10-05-2012, 02:30 AM
Oh you are a Fedull.


She is the only one here. With Arkulari. A rare species :devil:

Honestly
10-05-2012, 02:36 AM
The Doc trolls deliberately, Everko means everything he says. Not even a contest who's worse.

Wrong. Everfail does troll sometimes and Topspinfail does believe some of the shit he writes. If not then Everfail should be in a mental institution and Topspinfail should be banned.

Sunset of Age
10-05-2012, 02:39 AM
She is the only one here. With Arkulari. A rare species :devil:

:D :D :D yeah we are a rare species indeed. Proud of it. And here to stay, ever since 2006. :p :p :p
And just to emphasize once again: we BASH our favs whenever we feel fit of doing so. :)
We're no worshippers, no Beliebers and folks like that... sorry, if Fav #1 tells :bs:, we acknowledge it for being :bs: indeed.
No wonder you will not find either Arkulari or me on whatever player-fansite at all.

Thanks Matt! :wavey:

Pirata.
10-05-2012, 03:13 AM
Tdoc seems somewhat friendly, but gives the meanest bad reps :sobbing:

He never badreps me :angel:

BigJohn
10-05-2012, 03:17 AM
Everfail should be in a mental institution

QFFT

Honestly
10-05-2012, 03:19 AM
He never badreps me :angel:

Neither me :angel:

Topspindoctor
10-05-2012, 03:21 AM
QFFT

Funny you should say that, BigJane. After previously witnessing some of your meds induced rages on this forum, you are the last person who should say someone belongs in a mental insitution.

Cereal Killer
10-05-2012, 03:39 AM
Neither me :angel:

You were banned for a month... and joined in June.

BigJohn
10-05-2012, 03:51 AM
Funny you should say that, BigJane. After previously witnessing some of your meds induced rages on this forum, you are the last person who should say someone belongs in a mental insitution.

:spit:

Topclown, it's like you know me personally...

Rages? Really? Are you referring to some of my spot-on full of truth gem of posts that sadly got deleted and got me banned?

cmoss
10-05-2012, 04:52 AM
Good condition for tennis,unaffected from the weather.:)

Jverweij
10-05-2012, 06:28 AM
I won't enter this discussion because ive never come across such "great" minds. Minds that can't make the distinction between facts (a cow weighs more than a mouse) and matteres of taste (do you prefer mozart or beethoven?).

There is nothing to argue. NOTHING. All you can say is I like or I don't like indoor tennis and then give your PERSONAL reason for why you like it or why you don't.

best post of the year. If only MTF would understand this...