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Shanghai F: Murray def. Ferrer 7-5 6-4

Action Jackson
10-16-2011, 11:29 AM
Too good Thick Legs.

scoobs
10-16-2011, 11:31 AM
Not a great match, bit scrappy from both but Andy had enough in the thick legs when it counted and served much better.

Off the ground it was more even, with both of them making quite a few errors.

Still, 3 weeks, 3 titles - not many people have done that before. Yes he had an easy draw this week but you still have to get through it and I think he was mentally tired by the end of this tournament so it's still a good effort.

GOAT = Fed
10-16-2011, 11:32 AM
Ferrer :sad: Feel so sad for him whenever he makes it far in a big tournament he always comes up against someone in unbelievable form.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 11:32 AM
It was a must win.

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:32 AM
We have a new Nole :worship: :rolleyes:

Duncan
10-16-2011, 11:32 AM
Perfect few weeks for Andy.

3 titles and now the world number 3. Great effort :rocker:

MsTree
10-16-2011, 11:33 AM
:D Good few weeks for Andy!

FlameOn
10-16-2011, 11:33 AM
Ferrer a bridesmaid at M1000 level again :awww:.

syc23
10-16-2011, 11:34 AM
Thick legs™ too strong.

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:34 AM
Bercy, also there for the taking.

habibko
10-16-2011, 11:34 AM
#4 huh, sounds so wrong but oh well, he is still the favorite against the new #3 in slams which is what matters

congrats Murray, tough luck Ferru :hug:

The Magician
10-16-2011, 11:35 AM
Ferrer was horrible. 44% 1st serve, 30 UE I think, just didn't show up today against a mediocre Murray. Easy 1000 points for Murray, hopefully he uses this to do well at the WTF and maybe the AO but I doubt it. We've all been here before :(

henke007
10-16-2011, 11:35 AM
What a champ this Murray the level of players he had to face to get this 8th shield following up the luck when Nole had to retire last time is amazing.

I like Ferrer as a person and a player somewhat but he has no businnes playing in a HC masters final with the level of players that we have on offer these days and he should have lost to Ferrero hadn't he injured himself aswell. Horrible state in the game of tennis right about now. Hope things can pick up for London though Delpo and Soda not playing is really really bad.

Atleast its not such a big slump as WTA at the moment.

ronpon
10-16-2011, 11:36 AM
Well deserved win - served well but more unforced errors than has been the case all week. When he was aggressive Andy was impressive but I detected a nervousness and a return to an overly defensive style that has been identified with him throughout his career. Second serve % needs to improve as well

His winning streak continues. Next up Valencia or Basle although on Sky he said that he hasn't yet made up his mind whether to play that week. Will do so this coming week.

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Will Murray win AO'12?

Super Djoker
10-16-2011, 11:38 AM
Not a great match, bit scrappy from both but Andy had enough in the thick legs when it counted and served much better.

Off the ground it was more even, with both of them making quite a few errors.

Still, 3 weeks, 3 titles - not many people have done that before. Yes he had an easy draw this week but you still have to get through it and I think he was mentally tired by the end of this tournament so it's still a good effort.
Er hello , ! Djokovic this Year! Serbia, Madrid and Rome! Good for Murray but I won,t get to excited ! Novak is coming back soon!

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:39 AM
Er hello , ! Djokovic this Year! Serbia, Madrid and Rome! Good for Murray but I won,t get to excited ! Novak is coming back soon!

Er Hello, he said "not MANY people", he didn't say, "no one else has done this".

God....Noletards, their comprehension and arrogance these days.

Norrage
10-16-2011, 11:40 AM
What a champ this Murray the level of players he had to face to get this 8th shield following up the luck when Nole had to retire last time is amazing.

I like Ferrer as a person and a player somewhat but he has no businnes playing in a HC masters final with the level of players that we have on offer these days and he should have lost to Ferrero hadn't he injured himself aswell. Horrible state in the game of tennis right about now. Hope things can pick up for London though Delpo and Soda not playing is really really bad.

Atleast its not such a big slump as WTA at the moment.

Come on man. His draw was indeed very easy here, but then again his draw at Tokio was the hardest possible...One week he is lucky, the other he is unlucky. It's not like he has fluked his way to 3 tournament victories with only bad opponents...

ufiors
10-16-2011, 11:40 AM
Muzza soon No. 1

Duncan
10-16-2011, 11:40 AM
No longer the big 4.


It's the big 3 now :cool:





how I wish there was a fishing smiley :awww:

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 11:40 AM
Great week for Ferrer, came through a tough draw and gave a decent account of himself today. Just couldn't be comfortable enough on serve to threaten Murray more and had a couple of lapses. Deservedly the world number 5, regardless of what his detractors say.

Wonderful few weeks for mah boi Murray, the mans on a roll. World number 3 should bring even more confidence and well, here's hoping he can keep it up.

TennisOnWood
10-16-2011, 11:43 AM
Great Andy :D

Federer out of Top 3 after 432 consecutive weeks

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:44 AM
It's been a good run for Fed :sad:

acionescu
10-16-2011, 11:45 AM
Ferru :bigcry: :bigcry: Andy just too good :awww:

He should win Slams, though, and let the 1000's to the likes of Ferrer :smash:

philosophicalarf
10-16-2011, 11:45 AM
Can clearly see the effects of 3 weeks of tennis, Murray sturggling to find his best. Did serve very well though.

Perhaps somewhat fortunate Ferrer couldn't find his first serve.

16 wins in a row, 26 from last 27, 38 from last 41.


I wonder if he can make it 3 masters in a row at Paris.....

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 11:46 AM
:lick: :cheerleader: :worship: :inlove: :hearts: Congrats Andy, perfect triple Asian Swing and #3 in the world. :hearts: :inlove: :worship: :cheerleader: :lick:

:cool: http://www.squarehippies.com/images/athletes/andy_murray/andy_murray1.jpg :cool:

:lick: :inlove: :hearts: http://f.imagehost.org/0703/11_7.jpg :hearts: :inlove: :lick:

Eden
10-16-2011, 11:47 AM
Yes he had an easy draw this week but you still have to get through it and I think he was mentally tired by the end of this tournament so it's still a good effort.

It isn't his fault that other players didn't played the tournament or lost early. Beside this Murray has already proven several times that he can beat the topplayers at this kind of tournaments.

It has to be seen whether he can take his form into the next tournaments, especially the TMC. In the next season he should be the player beside Rafa to challenge Novak at the Grand Slams. It's time for Andy to really show his potential there. If he would have the burden of winning one Grand Slam title off the chest he would be more relaxed.

Too bad for Ferrer that he is often so close at winning a big tournament but then runs into a better player. Nevertheless a good tournament for him.

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:47 AM
His belly button :haha:

Saberq
10-16-2011, 11:47 AM
We have a new Nole :worship: :rolleyes:

No we dont Nole destroyed top players in Masters and Grand Slams Murray is winning MM tournaments

Ferrer was horrible. 44% 1st serve, 30 UE I think, just didn't show up today against a mediocre Murray. Easy 1000 points for Murray, hopefully he uses this to do well at the WTF and maybe the AO but I doubt it. We've all been here before :(
Rare post of truth from this man ....

Will Murray win AO'12?
Of course not Novak will
No longer the big 4.


It's the big 3 now :cool:





how I wish there was a fishing smiley :awww:
Give me a break 16 GS titles is always the part of Big 3
Muzza soon No. 1

No he will never be number 1 ...it is easy to win against 250 level of draw he will never win a Slam in his life

Clydey
10-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Classic Rusedski, talking about Shanghai being voted the players' favourite tournament.

'They go to no expense'.

I think you mean, 'They spare no expense.' :lol:

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 11:49 AM
Keep it up in Paris and London, you best pair of legs on tour!

:lick: :cheerleader: :worship: :inlove: :hearts:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=186118&d=1224521470

iramlatif
10-16-2011, 11:50 AM
congrats andy! he played so well!

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 11:50 AM
His belly button :haha:

:lick: :drool: :hearts:

Kat_YYZ
10-16-2011, 11:51 AM
Ferru :sad: so unfair, you had to go through 2 GS champions in your draw while Murray got a walkover and a qualifier.

coonster14
10-16-2011, 11:51 AM
Well done Muzza, 3 consecutive titles in 3 weeks, and we now have a new world #3, and he overtakes Roger Federer in the rankings for the first time. :yeah:

Bad luck Pics, but good week overall. :)

http://i.imgur.com/dSs88.png

BroTree123
10-16-2011, 11:56 AM
Will Murray be the next Nole?

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 11:59 AM
:lick: :drool: :hearts:

:haha: I'm thinking you find Murray attractive?

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 12:01 PM
:lick: :hearts: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/15/article-0-05572F34000005DC-255_233x317.jpg :hearts: :lick:

:hug: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00661/SNA2642Q4-682_661741a.jpg :hug:

:inlove: http://www.tennistalk.com/entertainment/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2fl.jpg :inlove:

Duncan
10-16-2011, 12:01 PM
Give me a break 16 GS titles is always the part of Big 3






Congratulations on being the first one to bite! :worship:

nobama
10-16-2011, 12:02 PM
:zzz:

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 12:02 PM
Too good from MuzzahLovah there.

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 12:03 PM
Ferru :sad: so unfair, you had to go through 2 GS champions in your draw while Murray got a walkover and a qualifier.

Serves Ferru right for trying to snuff out the light of the one true Jesus Christ Ferrero. He angered the heavens, so was justly punished.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 12:04 PM
Murray will be delighted to get through this match while nowhere near his best. It of course will not stop the sniping comments.

Alex999
10-16-2011, 12:04 PM
Congrats to Andy. Well done although I didn't think that Ferrer was capable of beating him in this tournament. I hope that getting to #3 will bring him some confidence so can win a major. However, we all know that being #3 or #4 is pretty irrelevant.

Didn't Federer say something like "All that really matters is being #1" few years ago?

Foxy
10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
Good to see we have finally new #4. Congrats, Rogie. No worries, I am sure you will be back... at #5 soon. :haha: Vamos!

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
I wonder how long murray's improved first serve percentage will last?

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 12:06 PM
Murray should not play Valencia. That is my two pennys worth.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 12:07 PM
His mind needs a break.

Sonja1989
10-16-2011, 12:10 PM
It was Ferru's third loss in Master finals. :sobbing: I really hope he wins one, don't give up David!! :hug:

Btw congrats to Murray! :hug:

Eden
10-16-2011, 12:11 PM
Good to see we have finally new #4. Congrats, Rogie. No worries, I am sure you will be back... at #5 soon. :haha: Vamos!

What's your point? Do you think all players end their career whilst being #1, #2 or #3?

Beside this he won't have much points to defend next season compared to other players. That won't mean he will be able to win those points but it's always a better situation to be the hunter instead of being hunted ;)

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 12:13 PM
Congrats to Andy. Well done although I didn't think that Ferrer was capable of beating him in this tournament. I hope that getting to #3 will bring him some confidence so can win a major. However, we all know that being #3 or #4 is pretty irrelevant.

Didn't Federer say something like "All that really matter is being #1" few years ago?

Not to start a flame war, but Federer even if he wins a slam or two, will probably never reclaim number 1. If that's all that matters to him, he should retire right now. I mean he obviously has a chance in every major, but with Nadal/Djokovic/Murray hoovering up all the masters, he'd probably have too win 3 or 4 slams to get back to #1 for any length of time- It just doesn't seem like that will happen again.

Ben.
10-16-2011, 12:14 PM
Well done to Andy, great three weeks and now primed to finish the year number 3 for the first time. He could even finish number two if he keeps this play up.

I hope Ferrer picks up a MS before his career is over but it doesn't seem likely. That implosion at 5-5 30-0 was just horrendous. Still, he is less than 1000 points behind Fed in the race, not too shabby.

TennisOnWood
10-16-2011, 12:18 PM
Few players since 2000. won 3 ATP titles in 3 back to back weeks

2003 - Guillermo Coria (Stuttgart, Kitzbuhel, Sopot)
2009 - Rafael Nadal (Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome)
2011 - Novak Djokovic (Belgrade, Rome, Madrid)
2011 - Andy Murray (Bangkok, Tokyo, Shanghai)

philosophicalarf
10-16-2011, 12:19 PM
Murray should not play Valencia. That is my two pennys worth.

It's terrible preparation for Paris really - Valencia the slowest indoors court by quite a distance, Paris the fastest.

Basel would be better if he must get some match practice.

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 12:20 PM
Not to start a flame war, but Federer even if he wins a slam or two, will probably never reclaim number 1. If that's all that matters to him, he should retire right now. I mean he obviously has a chance in every major, but with Nadal/Djokovic/Murray hoovering up all the masters, he'd probably have too win 3 or 4 slams to get back to #1 for any length of time- It just doesn't seem like that will happen again.
Well if Federer indeed wins a couple of slams next season he stands a great chance of gaining number 1 by the end of the season. The rankings work on a 1 year basis afterall.

Singularity
10-16-2011, 12:20 PM
Murray's won 2 HC masters every year for the past 4 years. He's now one ahead of Djokovic in that stat.

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 12:20 PM
Yet another second-tier win for the ultimate second-tier player.

zlaja777
10-16-2011, 12:24 PM
Congrats Andy M. on everything you achieved this 3 weeks.

ZaZoo)
10-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Congrats to Muzza winning everything in Asia and reaching new ranking, always nice to see Olderer drop to #4.

bokehlicious
10-16-2011, 12:51 PM
Good to see we have finally new #4. Congrats, Rogie. No worries, I am sure you will be back... at #5 soon. :haha: Vamos!

Being forever stuck at 10. Ouch.

:bigcry:

Certinfy
10-16-2011, 12:55 PM
Awesome! :D

nole_no1
10-16-2011, 01:10 PM
Boring tournament from the begining 'till the end :yawn:

Alex999
10-16-2011, 01:11 PM
Murray's won 2 HC masters every year for the past 4 years. He's now one ahead of Djokovic in that stat.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. Good for Andy. Also, I really think that winning 3 tournaments in 3 weeks is an amazing effort. I know some haters will show up know and say something like "Oh, but Murray has never won a major" etc. This is a great achievement and it needs to be recognized :worship:.

Corey Feldman
10-16-2011, 01:18 PM
pure domination, Novak who :cool:

sukit Ferrer and Spaniards, Muzza is all over you's :lol:

Rodre Fegassi
10-16-2011, 01:24 PM
Now there's going to be even more confusion when referring to the 'Big Three.'

'Big Three' means Nadal, Djokovic and Federer, ie. the players who are competitive to win a slam.

MatchFederer
10-16-2011, 01:28 PM
A funny moment from the Trophy Ceremony...

yoHOOxLAokM

Alex999
10-16-2011, 01:33 PM
pure domination, Novak who :cool:

sukit Ferrer and Spaniards, Muzza is all over you's :lol:
You are such a goof. I love ya :lol:

n8
10-16-2011, 01:39 PM
Murray 15th match win in a row beats his previous best. 14 in 2008: Davis Cup, Madrid, St. Petersburg tournament wins, lost in Paris quarter-finals. Both streaks started right after the US Open.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=180330

philosophicalarf
10-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Now there's going to be even more confusion when referring to the 'Big Three.'


Federer doesn't look overly competitive to win a slam these days. Only been in one final the last two years, and of course since it was against Nadal he folded.

<troll>
Isner gave Nadal more of a match at Roland Garros than Federer did :-)
</troll>

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 01:47 PM
Trophy went to the right man in this case.

Corey Feldman
10-16-2011, 01:50 PM
:lol: @ Murray's temper loss when Ferrer broke back in the 2nd set

American278
10-16-2011, 02:00 PM
Federer doesn't look overly competitive to win a slam these days. Only been in one final the last two years, and of course since it was against Nadal he folded.

<troll>
Isner gave Nadal more of a match at Roland Garros than Federer did :-)
</troll>
what about australian open 2010?

Moozza
10-16-2011, 02:19 PM
Muzz far too good for this guy

philosophicalarf
10-16-2011, 02:31 PM
what about australian open 2010?

Oh, duh. Bit hungover :-) I appear to have mentally advanced to the time of the next slam.....

You can clearly see the decline in terms of slam wins/finals per year though:

2003: 1/1
2004: 3/3
2005: 2/2
2006: 3/4
2007: 3/4
2008: 1/3
2009: 2/4
2010: 1/1
2011: 0/1

Let's face it, if Nadal was fit he wouldn't have won the French in 09 either, and probably not Wimbledon either, in which case we'd be looking at a 0/4 season there (and 2 slams in the last 4 seasons)

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 02:31 PM
HAHAHAHA, no Big 4 :haha: :haha:

SUCK IT HATERS!!! MURRAY IS NOW #3 AND HAS THROWN YOUR "NO BIG 4" TALK OUT OF THE WINDOW :wavey:

8TH MASTERS TITLE, 3 TITLES IN A ROW, 15 MATCH STREAK AND 4/5 LAST TOURNAMENTS WON. TOO GOOD ANDY, TOO GOOD :wavey:

Hahahahahaha, bye haters. SUCK IT! :wavey:

Cleffa
10-16-2011, 02:33 PM
Just wanna ask about the nickname "thick legs" has it been used only recently or is it used a long time ago? Cause I haven't really paid attention to his legs until I saw this nickname recently and noticed that they are actually quite thick.

Has he been training like crazy recently to improve his physique and hence the thick legs or has he been like that for a long time but I just didn't notice until now?
Overall anyone notice that he did improve in his fitness, endurance, and overall physique?

Singularity
10-16-2011, 02:56 PM
It was coined by McEnroe in Wimbledon 2009 or 2008 to emphasise all the physical training Murray had done. Early on in his career fitness was his biggest weakness, but since 2008 or so, it's become one of his strengths.

Lopez
10-16-2011, 02:56 PM
Pretty poor quality match. Both played below the level they'd shown in previous matches.

Grats to Murray :yeah:.

Sombrerero loco
10-16-2011, 03:02 PM
Nid^^

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 03:10 PM
i dont care for mugray winning the title, hes whoring up titles anyways while the best is not there so whatever......

david good luck in valencia:angel:

decrepitude
10-16-2011, 03:13 PM
While the best is not there, NadalMyHero? Are you saying your hero is no longer the best? When are you changing your name to NoleMyHero?

Seingeist
10-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Quite an interesting tournament culminating in a lackluster final.

Murray needs to hire some kind of hypnotist for his team that can put him into a trance during the grand slams that convinces Murray that he is playing Best-of-5 Master's series.

Saberq
10-16-2011, 03:14 PM
Murray's won 2 HC masters every year for the past 4 years. He's now one ahead of Djokovic in that stat.

Yet another second-tier win for the ultimate second-tier player.

HAHAHAHA, no Big 4 :haha: :haha:

SUCK IT HATERS!!! MURRAY IS NOW #3 AND HAS THROWN YOUR "NO BIG 4" TALK OUT OF THE WINDOW :wavey:

8TH MASTERS TITLE, 3 TITLES IN A ROW, 15 MATCH STREAK AND 4/5 LAST TOURNAMENTS WON. TOO GOOD ANDY, TOO GOOD :wavey:

Hahahahahaha, bye haters. SUCK IT! :wavey:

what are you saying?there is no BIG 4? or what

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 03:17 PM
While the best is not there, NadalMyHero? Are you saying your hero is no longer the best? When are you changing your name to NoleMyHero?

Are YOU putting words in my mouth?!?!:rolleyes:

How the hell did i say that Nadal is not the best.......so im saying that Nole is not the best either?!?:o

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 03:18 PM
I'm saying Murray has no right to call himself a member of any Big-insert number here group until he wins a slam and stops being a "good but not quite good enough" type of player.

EddceLLent
10-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Weird to see some people saying this tournament was boring. Although it seemed to be a straightforward win for Murray in the end, did it not make it interesting that some of the lower ranked players did well....Nishikori to SFs, Mayer d. Nadal, Roddick playing a bit better, Dolgopolov and Tomic showing promise... Surely what'd be boring would be if all the top 4 had played and routinely reached the SFs without being challenged, no?

I would've been surprised if Murray had lost today. Should be interesting to see if he plays Valencia; him and his brother are the defending champions in the doubles there and so Jamie's ranking would take a bit of a hit if he didn't get some points that week.

Tbh I find it a bit weird that they've got two weeks of 250 tournaments starting tomorrow. Surely it'd be better to have 250,500,250,1000...then the top players would be more likely to want to play the 500 event.

Let's be clear - the ATP rankings are an indication of players' form over the last 12 months. Roger Federer is the greatest player of all time and only someone achieving more than what he's achieved will change that.

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 03:20 PM
what are you saying?there is no BIG 4? or what
:facepalm:
I'm saying Murray has no right to call himself a member of any Big-insert number here group until he wins a slam and stops being a "good but not quite good enough" type of player.How does that make sense. Bur Federer can, I'm guessing, even though Murray is far better than him nowadays?? Slams won have nothing to do with it, it's the level of play you're at. Murray is clearly a slam threat, whereas nobody else is outside the top 4. Therefore, it's the Big 4. I hope you undestand this :wavey:

Sunset of Age
10-16-2011, 03:21 PM
Sigh... David :hug: - when will he ever get Lady Luck on his side? :(
Congrats to Murray and his fans. Don't forget to enjoy the successes while they lasts. ;)

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 03:24 PM
:facepalm:
How does that make sense. Bur Federer can, I'm guessing, even though Murray is far better than him nowadays?? Slams won have nothing to do with it, it's the level of play you're at. Murray is clearly a slam threat, whereas nobody else is outside the top 4. Therefore, it's the Big 4. I hope you undestand this :wavey:

Federer might not be considered part of the big-whatever right now because he's not that big a threat any more. But contrary to Murray, he's shown he has what it takes to win a big one, which Murray hasn't. And he's not a youngster any more.

I'm sick and tired of the Murray hype when he wins these second-rate tournaments only to see him fail again and again when the time of truth comes.

philosophicalarf
10-16-2011, 03:24 PM
I would've been surprised if Murray had lost today. Should be interesting to see if he plays
Tbh I find it a bit weird that they've got two weeks of 250 tournaments starting tomorrow. Surely it'd be better to have 250,500,250,1000...then the top players would be more likely to want to play the 500 event.



Yeah, it does leave it hard for the 500s. Same for Beijing and Tokyo.

Ashlar77
10-16-2011, 03:56 PM
Andy gets the Asian triple. :hearts: Great run :yeah:

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 03:59 PM
Federer might not be considered part of the big-whatever right now because he's not that big a threat any more. But contrary to Murray, he's shown he has what it takes to win a big one, which Murray hasn't. And he's not a youngster any more.

I'm sick and tired of the Murray hype when he wins these second-rate tournaments only to see him fail again and again when the time of truth comes.
Oh be quiet, Andy is part of the Big 4 whether you like it or not. He, along with the other Big 4 are the only players capable to winning big tournaments. That's why they're called the Big 4. And Andy is part of that :wavey:

SetSampras
10-16-2011, 04:02 PM
As long as its 3 sets and a non slam event the other top guys don't give two shits about Mugray is fine. Just don't tell Mugray its a slam and 5 sets

Chris Kuerten
10-16-2011, 04:03 PM
Oh be quiet, Andy is part of the Big 4 whether you like it or not. He, along with the other Big 4 are the only players capable to winning big tournaments. That's why they're called the Big 4. And Andy is part of that :wavey:Murray is still a slamless loser, disgrace to the sport to consider him big :o.

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 04:11 PM
Murray is still a slamless loser, disgrace to the sport to consider him big :o.
Oh really?? He doesn't have much trouble winning masters titles left and right and getting to the semi-finals consistently in slams :shrug: :)

Chris Kuerten
10-16-2011, 04:15 PM
Oh really?? He doesn't have much trouble winning masters titles left and right and getting to the semi-finals consistently in slams :shrug: :)It's all about winning slams, nobody will care about him in twenty years if he ends his career with 20 MS titles and zero slams.

Edith09
10-16-2011, 04:18 PM
Expected, Murray found good form.

timafi
10-16-2011, 04:18 PM
congrats on winning a slam Andy beating top 3 players;oh wait;it's Shanghai:tape: and none of them are here:rolleyes:

Saberq
10-16-2011, 04:20 PM
Oh really?? He doesn't have much trouble winning masters titles left and right and getting to the semi-finals consistently in slams :shrug: :)

please Dani never brag about semis in Slams what's the point?

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 04:23 PM
Anyway, would be good to see a long streak by someone whos name is not Djokovic.
Probably won't happen tho.

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 04:25 PM
congrats on winning a slam Andy beating top 3 players;oh wait;it's Shanghai:tape: and none of them are here:rolleyes:
I'm getting the feeling Nadal zapped the memories of everyone who watched his post-match interview after his loss to Mayer. Apparently he wasn't in Shanghai. *Some smug annoying smilie*

Sunset of Age
10-16-2011, 04:26 PM
I'm getting the feeling Nadal zapped the memories of everyone who watched his post-match interview after his loss to Mayer. Apparently he wasn't in Shanghai. *Some smug annoying smilie*

Happened at RG 2009 as well. There are still posters around who claim he wasn't even there. :p

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 04:27 PM
please Dani never brag about semis in Slams what's the point?
Semis in slams are reserved for top 4 in tennis. Murray has been in every single one in 2011. Only Djokovic has done that this year. Federer and Nadal has lost before the semis in 1 of the slams. So, clearly Murray is part of the Big 4. If that's not proof enough for you, then nothing will change your mind. Not that I care what you think, though, I'm just saying...

StoGas
10-16-2011, 04:31 PM
Final was really low level. But you're worth this title Murray! Congratulations with world number 3! :woohoo:

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 04:32 PM
Semis in slams are reserved for top 4 in tennis. Murray has been in every single one in 2011. Only Djokovic has done that this year. Federer and Nadal has lost before the semis in 1 of the slams. So, clearly Murray is part of the Big 4. If that's not proof enough for you, then nothing will change your mind. Not that I care what you think, though, I'm just saying...

You're 16, so you have only seen the last couple of years in tennis.
Every fu*king kid believes there were no tennis players before Fedal,Djokovic and Murray.
:help:

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 04:35 PM
You're 16, so you have only seen the last couple of years in tennis.
Every fu*king kid believes there were no tennis players before Fedal,Djokovic and Murray.
:help:
He means top 4 active players in tennis. Not of all time..

TennisOnWood
10-16-2011, 04:38 PM
Well.. it is interesting. 21 titles and not a single one in best of 5 finals

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 04:39 PM
He means top 4 active players in tennis. Not of all time..

LOL.
I wrote it because in the old days there were more competition than this, more possibilities before slams than today. Now I hope you understand.
.....

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 04:49 PM
LOL.
I wrote it because in the old days there were more competition than this, more possibilities before slams than today. Now I hope you understand.
.....
Ah, as the French say.. ère de la faiblesse. Well, Google translate says anyway.

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 05:01 PM
Wow, Andy sure has made a lot of tards angry by winning Shanghai.

Is it because he had such an easy draw? How is playing Wawrinkra and Ferrer so much easier than Florian Mayer and GGL? It isn't, Nadal just crapped out. If you want to blame anyone for Murray's draw, blame Nadal.

Is it because Murray has won 3 tournaments in a row and 2 masters in a row, something Nadal couldn't do this year? Sorry about that. I mean, shouldn't you guys be happy Nadal won the French Open? Why must you be so angry?

Is it because Murray defended a hardcourt title, something Nadal's never done? Sorry about that as well, but Nadal isn't a hardcourt player and he has a good chance of repeating in Monte Carlo again. :shrug:

Is it because Murray overtook Fed in the rankings? Murray hasn't played Fed all this year, you can't blame him for Fed failing to win a masters or slams. Murray did his best, and went deeper in the slams as well- hence more ranking points. Murray didn't dress up in black face an a wig and beat Fed before the semis in Wimbledon, that was Tsonga. Not Murray's fault.

Is it because no one but Nole is allowed to have a streak? Maybe Nole would have cruised over everyone in Beijing and Shanghai, but he injured himself losing a pointless DC match. Murray didn't force him to play Del Potro injured on a hard court.

So, maybe exorcise your frustrations with your favorite players on their player threads, and just leave this thread for discussion of the match and tournament, and great 3 weeks Murray has put together. Come on tards, I promise not throw feces if and when your favorites win something else. Deal?

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 05:04 PM
Wow, Andy sure has made a lot of tards angry by winning Shanghai.

Is it because he had such an easy draw? How is playing Wawrinkra and Ferrer so much easier than Florian Mayer and GGL? It isn't, Nadal just crapped out. If you want to blame anyone for Murray's draw, blame Nadal.

Is it because Murray has won 3 tournaments in a row and 2 masters in a row, something Nadal couldn't do this year? Sorry about that. I mean, shouldn't you guys be happy Nadal won the French Open? Why must you be so angry?

Is it because Murray defended a hardcourt title, something Nadal's never done? Sorry about that as well, but Nadal isn't a hardcourt player and he has a good chance of repeating in Monte Carlo again. :shrug:

Is it because Murray overtook Fed in the rankings? Murray hasn't played Fed all this year, you can't blame him for Fed failing to win a masters or slams. Murray did his best, and went deeper in the slams as well- hence more ranking points. Murray didn't dress up in black face an a wig and beat Fed before the semis in Wimbledon, that was Tsonga. Not Murray's fault.

Is it because no one but Nole is allowed to have a streak? Maybe Nole would have cruised over everyone in Beijing and Shanghai, but he injured himself losing a pointless DC match. Murray didn't force him to play Del Potro injured on a hard court.

So, maybe exorcise your frustrations with your favorite players on their player threads, and just leave this thread for discussion of the match and tournament, and great 3 weeks Murray has put together. Come on tards, I promise not throw feces if and when your favorites win something else. Deal?

:worship: Someone knows how to defend something.

solowyn
10-16-2011, 05:04 PM
Ferru :sadface: :hug: So want him to win a Masters at some point.

decrepitude
10-16-2011, 05:08 PM
Wow, Andy sure has made a lot of tards angry by winning Shanghai.

Is it because he had such an easy draw? How is playing Wawrinkra and Ferrer so much easier than Florian Mayer and GGL? It isn't, Nadal just crapped out. If you want to blame anyone for Murray's draw, blame Nadal.

Is it because Murray has won 3 tournaments in a row and 2 masters in a row, something Nadal couldn't do this year? Sorry about that. I mean, shouldn't you guys be happy Nadal won the French Open? Why must you be so angry?

Is it because Murray defended a hardcourt title, something Nadal's never done? Sorry about that as well, but Nadal isn't a hardcourt player and he has a good chance of repeating in Monte Carlo again. :shrug:

Is it because Murray overtook Fed in the rankings? Murray hasn't played Fed all this year, you can't blame him for Fed failing to win a masters or slams. Murray did his best, and went deeper in the slams as well- hence more ranking points. Murray didn't dress up in black face an a wig and beat Fed before the semis in Wimbledon, that was Tsonga. Not Murray's fault.

Is it because no one but Nole is allowed to have a streak? Maybe Nole would have cruised over everyone in Beijing and Shanghai, but he injured himself losing a pointless DC match. Murray didn't force him to play Del Potro injured on a hard court.

So, maybe exorcise your frustrations with your favorite players on their player threads, and just leave this thread for discussion of the match and tournament, and great 3 weeks Murray has put together. Come on tards, I promise not throw feces if and when your favorites win something else. Deal?

"You must spread reputation around before giving it to Muzzahlovah again. . ."

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 05:09 PM
You're 16, so you have only seen the last couple of years in tennis.
Every fu*king kid believes there were no tennis players before Fedal,Djokovic and Murray.
:help:
What are you talking about? :stupid: What does that have anything to do with what I said. Look who's at the top of the rankings, then look at who gets to slam semi-finals 90% of time this year :stupid: Speaks for itself that there is a Big 4 :stupid:

Also, I've been watching tennis since 2001, since I was 6. I was a big fan of Henman and Kiefer and loved tennis ever since I first saw it, so you have no idea what you're talking about :lol: Didn't expect anything more from you, though.

Saberq
10-16-2011, 05:13 PM
What are you talking about? :stupid: What does that have anything to do with what I said. Look who's at the top of the rankings, then look at who gets to slam semi-finals 90% of time this year :stupid: Speaks for itself that there is a Big 4 :stupid:

Also, I've been watching tennis since 2001, since I was 6. I was a big fan of Henman and Kiefer and loved tennis ever since I first saw it, so you have no idea what you're talking about :lol: Didn't expect anything more from you, though.

shame you missed Sampras in his prime

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 05:16 PM
What are you talking about? :stupid: What does that have anything to do with what I said. Look who's at the top of the rankings, then look at who gets to slam semi-finals 90% of time this year :stupid: Speaks for itself that there is a Big 4 :stupid:

Also, I've been watching tennis since 2001, since I was 6. I was a big fan of Henman and Kiefer and loved tennis ever since I first saw it, so you have no idea what you're talking about :lol: Didn't expect anything more from you, though.

Henman :haha: Another headcase in fact.
Anyway, I did not say anything bad about Murray recently, just think your agressive campaigning is annoying.

Sunset of Age
10-16-2011, 05:18 PM
"You must spread reputation around before giving it to Muzzahlovah again. . ."

Did it in your name. :)

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 05:21 PM
shame you missed Sampras in his prime
I know. It's also a shame I didn't get to see legends like Becker or Edberg play. Luckily, we have youtube.
Henman :haha: Another headcase in fact.
Anyway, I did not say anything bad about Murray recently, just think your agressive campaigning is annoying.
Henman was brilliant to watch. Probably the last great serve and volleyer in tennis. Only Llodra compares nowadays, and that's only when he plays well.

I'm not being aggressive. I'm just telling it like it is. Murray is part of the Big 4 whether any of you like it or not. His results this year and his leap over Federer prove this.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 05:22 PM
I know. It's also a shame I didn't get to see legends like Becker or Edberg play. Luckily, we have youtube.

Henman was brilliant to watch. One of the best serve and volleyers since Sampras.

I'm not being aggressive. I'm just telling it like it is. Murray is part of the Big 4 whether any of you like it or not. His results this year and his leap over Federer prove this.

Okay, but I did not say he's not part of anything or so. I just did not like the "reserved for them" part.

e476
10-16-2011, 05:23 PM
:bowdown: Great job, Andy. Love ya. :worship:

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 05:24 PM
Okay, but I did not say he's not part of anything or so. I just did not like the "reserved for them" part.
What? You snapped at me because I said the semi-finals in slams are reserved for the top 4 players :stupid:

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 05:26 PM
What? You snapped at me because I said the semi-finals in slams are reserved for the top 4 players :stupid:

.....LOL....no
:rolleyes:

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 05:29 PM
Ferru :sadface: :hug: So want him to win a Masters at some point.

Actually, next year will probably be his best chance- Ferrer matches up better against Djokovic than Nadal on clay, and if Murray manages get to #2, sending Nadal to #3 and hopefully in the same half as Djokovic, Ferrer might only have to beat Murray and Djokovic back to back. Not easy, but easier than doing it back to back on hardcourts and especially if Djokvic/Nadal have a Madrid like slugfest.

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 05:30 PM
.....LOL....no
:rolleyes:
Uh, yes.
Semis in slams are reserved for top 4 in tennis. Murray has been in every single one in 2011. Only Djokovic has done that this year. Federer and Nadal has lost before the semis in 1 of the slams. So, clearly Murray is part of the Big 4. If that's not proof enough for you, then nothing will change your mind. Not that I care what you think, though, I'm just saying...
You bolded the bold sentence yourself when you quoted me and proceded to answer with this:
You're 16, so you have only seen the last couple of years in tennis.
Every fu*king kid believes there were no tennis players before Fedal,Djokovic and Murray.
:help:
:stupid:

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 05:36 PM
Uh, yes.

You bolded the bold sentence yourself when you quoted me and proceded to answer with this:

:stupid:

Let's end this shit: I said no because I did not mean it in that context......
Hope it's clear now. If not, never mind.
:help:

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 05:44 PM
Let's end this shit: I said no because I did not mean it in that context......
Hope it's clear now. If not, never mind.
:help:
So, what did you think I was talking about? I was clearly talking about today's current top 4 :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
10-16-2011, 05:51 PM
All hail Andy Murray. King of Best of 3 MM tournaments.

EddieNero
10-16-2011, 06:08 PM
Worst possible match-up to follow on a hc among Top 5.
This match was downright terrible, error festival, Ferrer proved he has no business in M1000 finals.

Hensafmurrafter
10-16-2011, 06:19 PM
#4 huh, sounds so wrong but oh well, he is still the favorite against the new #3 in slams which is what matters

congrats Murray, tough luck Ferru :hug:

We will probably never see those two play in a slam since Murray always draws Nadal in the semis and now to meet they would both have to reach the final.

decrepitude
10-16-2011, 06:31 PM
All hail Andy Murray. King of Best of 3 MM tournaments.

Better than being King of nothing :shrug:

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 06:36 PM
Of course you don't :lol:

Of course you wanna come in and join the "Mugrays vs. 10slam champion" how am i not surprised:rolleyes:

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 06:36 PM
Better than being King of nothing :shrug:
Oddly he would get less hate if he sucked at Masters tournaments.

Pah, he's the most talked about player on the forum at the moment, I suppose it's to be expected. Though it would be nice if people got creative with their criticism instead of robotically saying the same things over and over, as if they were saying something unique.

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 06:44 PM
Oh be quiet, Andy is part of the Big 4 whether you like it or not. He, along with the other Big 4 are the only players capable to winning big tournaments. That's why they're called the Big 4. And Andy is part of that :wavey:

16-10-4-0. :scratch:

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 06:50 PM
16-10-4-0. :scratch:

:bigclap::dance::cheerleader:

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 06:53 PM
16-10-4-0. :scratch:
Federer this year = 0 slam wins 1 final, 2 semis, 0 masters titles, 1 overall title.
Murray this year = 0 slam wins, 1 final, 3 semis, all semis reached 2 masters titles, 5 overall titles.

Quite a large difference between them this year, so if you're including Federer in the Big 3, then you have to include Murray. Just because Federer has 16 slams doesn't make him better than Murray nowadays. That's flawed logic. Then again, that kind of logic suits you nicely. I mean, going by the logic you're using, we can say Hewitt is above Murray nowadays too :lol: :stupid:

DrJules
10-16-2011, 06:53 PM
All hail Andy Murray. King of Best of 3 MM tournaments.

Since when have master series tournaments been micky mouse ("MM") events.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 06:59 PM
Federer this year = 0 slam wins 1 final, 2 semis, 0 masters titles, 1 overall title.
Murray this year = 0 slam wins, 1 final, 3 semis, all semis reached 2 masters titles, 5 overall titles.

Quite a large difference between them this year, so if you're including Federer in the Big 3, then you have to include Murray. Just because Federer has 16 slams doesn't make him better than Murray nowadays. That's flawed logic. Then again, that kind of logic suits you nicely.

OMFG :superlol: :superlol: :superlol:

I have never pee'd so much and cry in massive tears ever til this message came, IM SAVING THIS QUOTE ON MY SIGY BIG TIME!!!!!

To make a lame excuse of Fedjesus not winning a slam this year is jus........:haha: :haha: :haha:

YOU ARE A REAL CLOWN FOR THIS ONE BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 07:01 PM
OMFG :superlol: :superlol: :superlol:

I have never pee'd so much and cry in massive tears ever til this message came, IM SAVING THIS QUOTE ON MY SIGY BIG TIME!!!!!

To make a lame excuse of Fedjesus not winning a slam this year is jus........:haha: :haha: :haha:

YOU ARE A REAL CLOWN FOR THIS ONE BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Care to explain how??

Murray is now ahead of Federer in the rankings, 2000 points ahead of him in the race, has 2 masters titles and 4 more titles than him. He's clearly above him nowadays, so including Federer with Djokovic and Nadal but not Murray makes absolutely no sense. Do. You. Understand?

DrJules
10-16-2011, 07:04 PM
Murray is showing a level of consistency and continued form that he has never managed previously in his career.

I have feeling that Federer may never again be ranked higher than Murray going forward. Not written with confidence, but something I never would have posted 6 months ago. Time will be my judge.

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Federer has been surprising us since his initial "decline" a few years back. We're in for a few more surprises, his motivation being he would want to show his kids how good he is. He ain't goin' away anytime soon.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 07:08 PM
Federer's performance at last years WTF was at a level not replicated by any top player this year.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 07:09 PM
He took the much younger and faster players to the cleaners.

Rafallucci.
10-16-2011, 07:11 PM
TROLOLOLOL @ Mugray cleaning up on Asian events. Very similar to Wozniacki's Asian sweep in 2010.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 07:13 PM
Care to explain how??

Murray is now ahead of Federer in the rankings, 2000 points ahead of him in the race, has 2 masters titles and 4 more titles than him. He's clearly above him nowadays, so including Federer with Djokovic and Nadal but not Murray makes absolutely no sense. Do. You. Understand?

that doesnt answer the fact that Murray has NO SLAMS, but yet you ridicule the fact that Fed did worst than Murray THIS YEAR come on dude.....it doesnt matter if Fed didnt win a slam this year hes still better than him!!!! :wavey: :rolleyes:

TROLOLOLOL @ Mugray cleaning up on Asian events. Very similar to Wozniacki's Asian sweep in 2010.
YOU ARE SO WRONG :superlol: :superlol: :superlol:

Hes sooooooo inspired by Wozniackis performance in the Asian swing last year that he decided to step it up for all of us to watch......pure genius i tell ya

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 07:16 PM
that doesnt answer the fact that Murray has NO SLAMS, but yet you ridicule the fact that Fed did worst than Murray THIS YEAR come on dude.....it doesnt matter if Fed didnt win a slam this year hes still better than him!!!! :wavey: :rolleyes:
:facepalm:

You don't seem to understand. I'm talking about this year. Murray is clearly better than Federer nowadays because he's ahead of him in the rankings, has more titles and better results in slams.Federer is clearly the way better player when it comes to career achievements, but I'm talking about their levels atm and Murray is ahead now. So, including Federer with Nadal and Djokovic, but not Murray (when Murray is 2000 points ahead of him in the race and has far more titles and better results) makes abslutely NO sense. Do. You. Now. Understand?

DrJules
10-16-2011, 07:22 PM
Federer has been surprising us since his initial "decline" a few years back. We're in for a few more surprises, his motivation being he would want to show his kids how good he is. He ain't goin' away anytime soon.

He has been steadily declining, predominately in his physical durability and endurance, in what is probably the most physically demanding era of tennis ever.

That he managed to end the year ranked 1 or 2 for 8 years from 2003 to 2010 inclusive in the process of winning 16 GS is remarkable, but everything however great and exceptional has to come to an end.

In the case of Federer I really know believe the grand slam winning days are over. The drive and motivation, the physical condition and the mental focus are no longer so strong.

Time Violation
10-16-2011, 07:37 PM
Care to explain how??

Murray is now ahead of Federer in the rankings, 2000 points ahead of him in the race, has 2 masters titles and 4 more titles than him. He's clearly above him nowadays, so including Federer with Djokovic and Nadal but not Murray makes absolutely no sense. Do. You. Understand?

Federer performed much better in slams this year than Murray, and at this point of career, that's the only thing that matters to Fed. :shrug:

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 07:41 PM
Federer performed much better in slams this year than Murray, and at this point of career, that's the only thing that matters to Fed. :shrug:

:confused: Murray got to 1 final and 3 semis. Federer got to 1 final, had 2 semis and reached 1 quarter final. Not a huge difference there.

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 07:43 PM
Federer this year = 0 slam wins 1 final, 2 semis, 0 masters titles, 1 overall title.
Murray this year = 0 slam wins, 1 final, 3 semis, all semis reached 2 masters titles, 5 overall titles.

Quite a large difference between them this year, so if you're including Federer in the Big 3, then you have to include Murray. Just because Federer has 16 slams doesn't make him better than Murray nowadays. That's flawed logic. Then again, that kind of logic suits you nicely. I mean, going by the logic you're using, we can say Hewitt is above Murray nowadays too :lol: :stupid:

Maybe you have reading difficulties... I never said there is a big 4. Call it big 4, big 3, big 2 or whatever you want, you CAN'T include in the higher group of players someone who has repeatedly failed to show he has what it takes to win the big ones.

Mechlan
10-16-2011, 07:50 PM
I'm encouraged by Murray's performances the past couple of weeks. Not just winning, but it looks like he's trying to stay more focused throughout a match and look to hit more aggressively. The past doesn't matter, as long as he keeps looking to improve and give himself the best possible shot, that's all he can control.

Time Violation
10-16-2011, 07:58 PM
:confused: Murray got to 1 final and 3 semis. Federer got to 1 final, had 2 semis and reached 1 quarter final. Not a huge difference there.

Not a huge difference on paper, but if you look at it closer, I'd say there was a pretty big difference. Federer played a tight match against Nole at AO, stopped Nole and took a set off Nadal at RG, squandered 2 sets lead at W, and then squandered match points at USO. On the other hand, in all of Andy's slam losses, the winner was never in doubt.

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 08:07 PM
Federer performed much better in slams this year than Murray, and at this point of career, that's the only thing that matters to Fed. :shrug:
Um, what? Murray reached a final and 3 semi-finals. Federer reached a final, 2 semi-finals and a quarter-final. Murray has done better :stupid:
Maybe you have reading difficulties... I never said there is a big 4. Call it big 4, big 3, big 2 or whatever you want, you CAN'T include in the higher group of players someone who has repeatedly failed to show he has what it takes to win the big ones.
I can clearly see that you have some sort of problem with Murray.

Murray >>>> Federer atm, and that's the truth. The results speak for themselves. Therefore, if there's going to be a Big 3, it must include Murray, since he's #3. End of discussion :wavey:

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 08:09 PM
Not a huge difference on paper, but if you look at it closer, I'd say there was a pretty big difference. Federer played a tight match against Nole at AO, stopped Nole and took a set off Nadal at RG, squandered 2 sets lead at W, and then squandered match points at USO. On the other hand, in all of Andy's slam losses, the winner was never in doubt.

Never in doubt? Murray was getting break points left, right and centre in the French Open semi final. Murray won the first set at Wimbledon and was dominating before the terrible mental breakdown. Murray was at a disadvantage in Australia because of his leg injury and in the US Open semi because he did not have a full days rest after a three hour plus quarter final while Nadull had a light training session against Roddick.

Mechlan
10-16-2011, 08:09 PM
Not a huge difference on paper, but if you look at it closer, I'd say there was a pretty big difference. Federer played a tight match against Nole at AO, stopped Nole and took a set off Nadal at RG, squandered 2 sets lead at W, and then squandered match points at USO. On the other hand, in all of Andy's slam losses, the winner was never in doubt.

Tennis results are about who wins, not about who almost wins. Murray has had the better year than Federer, accept it.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 08:12 PM
Federer should have been in two slam finals this year though no doubt. Djokovic got incredibly lucky at Flushing Meadows.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 08:22 PM
Federer should have been in two slam finals this year though no doubt. Djokovic got incredibly lucky at Flushing Meadows.

Agree with this tho Fed played a big part in that luck as well.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 08:24 PM
Certainly he should have kept his composure more after Fakers flukey forehand.

guga2120
10-16-2011, 08:38 PM
Well done to Andy on #8. He needs alot of rest now, it will be intresting to see if he plays Paris after Valencia.

Looking foward to watching him go up against Nole again. He outplayed him in Rome, beat him in Cinci, next time fairly confident, Novak is going to get beat.

Clydey
10-16-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm saying Murray has no right to call himself a member of any Big-insert number here group until he wins a slam and stops being a "good but not quite good enough" type of player.

If Sampras comes back, should we add him to the list and create a real 'big 4' since he has won 14 of them? How about including Roddick or even Thomas Johansson, if he comes back? I mean, they have both won a slam. This fact immediately allows them to leapfrog Murray, apparently. Astounding logic.

You're better than that. Honestly, this prohibitive focus on majors really grates. And it will continue to grate if and when Murray actually wins one. The tennis season comprises more than 4 tournaments.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 08:49 PM
Many posters cannot see as they are blinded by hatred of Murray.

Snowwy
10-16-2011, 08:59 PM
On topic guys. This thread is about the Shanghai final today with Murray and Ferrer. Not Roger and Novak.

Time Violation
10-16-2011, 09:07 PM
Tennis results are about who wins, not about who almost wins. Murray has had the better year than Federer, accept it.

Both Murray and Fed have 0 wins in slam finals this year, and I think Fed had much better chance of getting 1 than Murray, that's all.

Never in doubt? Murray was getting break points left, right and centre in the French Open semi final. Murray won the first set at Wimbledon and was dominating before the terrible mental breakdown. Murray was at a disadvantage in Australia because of his leg injury and in the US Open semi because he did not have a full days rest after a three hour plus quarter final while Nadull had a light training session against Roddick.

Yup he had, but so did Nadal, and Nadal converted twice as many :) He was the better player at Wimbledon for a set and three games, but that's often not enough even on levels far below slam; and he had no excuse whatsoever to have a mental breakdown when he was still a set up and two games all.

I like Andy far more than Fed, but I think there's little doubt Fed was much bigger threat/favorite in slams, we'll see what next year is going to bring though :)

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 09:08 PM
Djokovic has completely dominated a more impressive field than Federer did in 2005 and 2006. Federer's best win/loss ratio came in 2005 and he only won 2 majors that year. I'm sorry, but Nole's year trumps any of Fed's.

:confused: :eek: :sad: :haha: :unsure: :silly: :facepalm: :help: :smash: :nerner: You and I will have to agree to disagree.

Clydey
10-16-2011, 09:18 PM
:confused: :eek: :sad: :haha: :unsure: :silly: :facepalm: :help: :smash: :nerner: You and I will have to agree to disagree.

Simply littering your post with smilies does not constitute a valid argument.

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 09:20 PM
Simply littering your post with smilies does not constitute a valid argument.
You're really saying that Djokovic's year trumps any of Federer's?? Seriously?? You're wrong :lol: Just no other way to put it, you're just wrong :lol:

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 09:23 PM
Clydey has a lot of posts but I have not seen him around here before. Funny guy.

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 09:26 PM
If Sampras comes back, should we add him to the list and create a real 'big 4' since he has won 14 of them? How about including Roddick or even Thomas Johansson, if he comes back? I mean, they have both won a slam. This fact immediately allows them to leapfrog Murray, apparently. Astounding logic.

You're better than that. Honestly, this prohibitive focus on majors really grates. And it will continue to grate if and when Murray actually wins one. The tennis season comprises more than 4 tournaments.

How on earth does "players that have won slams are automatically members of the big-X number" follow from "players who have not won a slam [despite plenty of chances to do it] cannot be considered members of the big-X number"?

Clydey
10-16-2011, 09:27 PM
You're really saying that Djokovic's year trumps any of Federer's?? Seriously?? You're wrong :lol: Just no other way to put it, you're just wrong :lol:

Again, not a valid argument. Both of you are making assertions, but saying absolutely nothing to back them up.

By all means explain why any of Federer's years were superior to Nole's 2011.

Har-Tru
10-16-2011, 09:28 PM
Um, what? Murray reached a final and 3 semi-finals. Federer reached a final, 2 semi-finals and a quarter-final. Murray has done better :stupid:

I can clearly see that you have some sort of problem with Murray.

Murray >>>> Federer atm, and that's the truth. The results speak for themselves. Therefore, if there's going to be a Big 3, it must include Murray, since he's #3. End of discussion :wavey:

I don't have a problem with Murray. You do.

Clydey
10-16-2011, 09:29 PM
How on earth does "players that have won slams are automatically members of the big-X number" follow from "players who have not won a slam [despite plenty of chances to do it] cannot be considered members of the big-X number"?

You failed to exclude Federer. You merely grudgingly suggested that he could perhaps be left out of any 'big' list at this point.

The point remains that your focus on slams is ridiculous. One wonders why you bother watching any other tennis tournament.

Clydey
10-16-2011, 09:30 PM
Clydey has a lot of posts but I have not seen him around here before. Funny guy.

Actually, a sensible guy who attempts to substantiate his views. Ad hominem attacks don't cut it.

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 09:31 PM
Style of play. A rather important element of a SPECTATOR SPORT.

Clydey
10-16-2011, 09:32 PM
Style of play. A rather important element of a SPECTATOR SPORT.

I'm sorry, but what bearing does that have on results? We're discussing substance here, not eye-candy.

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 09:42 PM
At this point I'll jump in and mention Ferrer for the first time in 10 pages.

Judging by this performance, he could do some damage at Paris. Doubt he'll overtake Federer though.

Not much, but hey, it's on-topic.

Carry on folks.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 09:44 PM
ferrer of course is gonna be dangerous......I think hes playing Valencia and Paris, im not sure but if he continues to have a great week like he did here in shanghai, he WILL be dangerous for the YEC

Clydey
10-16-2011, 09:46 PM
I haven't made any "big" list, for starters. And as I said, Federer might be declining, but his baggage ought to cut him some slack in this regard.



This is ridiculous.

My focus on slams is related to the discussion about "bigness". The slams are the top of the pops, the cream of the crop. Greatness in tennistic terms is measured by the slams. Slams are the big thing. I don't think that is disputable.

So if you're going to claim that you're big, you better back up that claim by showing you're able to really make it big.

Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.

Sapeod
10-16-2011, 09:47 PM
Again, not a valid argument. Both of you are making assertions, but saying absolutely nothing to back them up.

By all means explain why any of Federer's years were superior to Nole's 2011.
The quality of Federer's opponents was far better more often than not when compared to many of Djokovic's opponents. Most of Djokovic's opponents played badly. More of Federer's opponents were better than many of Djokovic's. Djokovic has had a cheap year full of terrible opponents and players who played badly. Unimpressive.
I don't have a problem with Murray. You do.
I have a problem with Murray? That's funny.

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 09:49 PM
ferrer of course is gonna be dangerous......I think hes playing Valencia and Paris, im not sure but if he continues to have a great week like he did here in shanghai, he WILL be dangerous for the YEC
Ah, you've decided to talk normally, I'm secretly disappointed. Well it's not a secret anymore.

He'll be dangerous at his home tournament, surely, don't know about his past results there. London will be difficult for him though, he struggles indoors which is understandable when you look at his gamestyle.

Sham Kay
10-16-2011, 09:50 PM
I have a problem with Murray? That's funny.
Guess he means you're obsessed with him or something.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 09:52 PM
I don't have a problem with Murray. You do.

:secret: psssssssssssst, i think hes pressed at Mugrays achievements not being as successfull as Fed, Rafa and Nole:devil:

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 09:54 PM
Ah, you've decided to talk normally, I'm secretly disappointed. Well it's not a secret anymore.

He'll be dangerous at his home tournament, surely, don't know about his past results there. London will be difficult for him though, he struggles indoors which is understandable when you look at his gamestyle.

:devil: :haha:

well i wanna get outta the Mugray vs. KingofClay mantra so i wanna stick to ferrer vs murray for once, i still LOVE my lil daVid FEVERERR jus like i love my Espana Davis Cup team:lick: :angel: :devil:

Roadmap
10-16-2011, 10:20 PM
The animal in your avatar. Could you tell me the specific species?

Pirata.
10-16-2011, 10:22 PM
I like Ferrer as a person and a player somewhat but he has no businnes playing in a HC masters final with the level of players that we have on offer these days

Who, aside from maybe Fish and Tsonga? Monfils? Berdych? Tipsarevic? :haha:

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 10:23 PM
i think that a seal :shrug:

Clydey
10-16-2011, 10:23 PM
The animal in your avatar. Could you tell me the specific species?

Sea otter.

moon language
10-16-2011, 10:39 PM
Bad choke from Ferrer to give up the break at the end of the first, but that was not at all surprising, you could feel it coming.

Murray's forehand looks to be improving lately.

SerialKillerToBe
10-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Typical Short Spanish Dude folding to a higher ranked player. And the Murray worship continues. Nole can't come back soon enough.

Singularity
10-16-2011, 11:15 PM
Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.
Why is it that between 2004 and 2011 Federer and Nadal won 86% of the grand slams, yet only 54% of the masters tournaments?

LawrenceOfTennis
10-16-2011, 11:18 PM
Why is it that between 2004 and 2011 Federer and Nadal won 86% of the grand slams, yet only 54% of the masters tournaments?

There are only 4 slams....:facepalm:
Little more masters :haha: if my memory serves well

MuzzahLovah
10-16-2011, 11:19 PM
Why is it that between 2004 and 2011 Federer and Nadal won 86% of the grand slams, yet only 54% of the masters tournaments?

They don't have Djokovic's work ethic?

Singularity
10-16-2011, 11:27 PM
There are only 4 slams....:facepalm:
Little more masters :haha: if my memory serves well
That's my point though. Nadal and Federer won only 10 more masters events than slams (34 vs 24) despite the fact that there were over 2x more of the latter.

KarlyM
10-16-2011, 11:30 PM
Congrats to Andy. :yeah:

I hope David can snatch up a clay masters title before he eventually retires. ;)

Pirata.
10-16-2011, 11:35 PM
This match was downright terrible, error festival, Ferrer proved he has no business in M1000 finals.

Yeah, Ferrer the clay specialist who has never reached the semifinals of any hard court slams or made to the to Masters Cup final. Disgrace to tennis :rolleyes:

There are only 4 slams....:facepalm:
Little more masters :haha: if my memory serves well

:haha:

pinkkiwi72
10-16-2011, 11:59 PM
Great game, congrates to Murray who is playing really aggressive and winning tennis and congrates to Ferrer, who has secured his ranking position with these runnerup points. Wish he had won though.

Difficult to concentrate on the tennis as it started not long after the Rugby World cup semi-final, New Zealand versus Australia. Fantastic sporting night watching my most favourite two tennis players and the best rugby 'the All Blacks vs Wallabies' simultaneouly!!

Pic - Ferrer with the biscuit plate - again!

MuzzahLovah
10-17-2011, 12:23 AM
Great game, congrates to Murray who is playing really aggressive and winning tennis and congrates to Ferrer, who has secured his ranking position with these runnerup points. Wish he had won though.

Difficult to concentrate on the tennis as it started not long after the Rugby World cup semi-final, New Zealand versus Australia. Fantastic sporting night watching my most favourite two tennis players and the best rugby 'the All Blacks vs Wallabies' simultaneouly!!

Pic - Ferrer with the biscuit plate - again!

http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=249522&d=1318805957

:haha: What a bewildered trophy ceremony.

Alex999
10-17-2011, 12:27 AM
http://www.menstennisforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=249522&d=1318805957

:haha: What a bewildered trophy ceremony.
lol, that pic is hilarious. good find :worship:

Topspindoctor
10-17-2011, 01:10 AM
Better pusher won :zzz:

Ferrer will never win a masters 1000. Just a hard worker with no talent.

Smoke944
10-17-2011, 01:20 AM
Better pusher won :zzz:

Ferrer will never win a masters 1000. Just a hard worker with no talent.

I won't even touch this statement that is stupid as hell even by your lofty standards.

What I will say, however, is that seeing as Nadull lost twice in five days, isn't your internet supposed to "stop working" for a few weeks or something?

Topspindoctor
10-17-2011, 01:26 AM
I won't even touch this statement that is stupid as hell even by your lofty standards.

What I will say, however, is that seeing as Nadull lost twice in five days, isn't your internet supposed to "stop working" for a few weeks or something?

My internet DID stop working for a long time during Wimbledon, as I was not even been able to watch men's semi's.

Why is that a stupid comment? Ferrer is a classic grinder with no weapons and Mugray is a pusher. No wonder 20% Nadal has been able to routine Ferrer in MC and Barcelona and Mugray has been able to win in Shanghai.

misty1
10-17-2011, 01:28 AM
why is it that you seem to have such a hard time giving other players credit?

misty1
10-17-2011, 01:35 AM
why is it that you seem to have such a hard time giving Donald Young credit?

difference between me disliking donald young and him seemingly having nothing but bad things to say bout 90% of the tour

Corey Feldman
10-17-2011, 01:38 AM
Murray is the real #2this

scot won the Indy Car and english golfer won in Portugal again, just another week of British sport domination

Topspindoctor
10-17-2011, 01:59 AM
Murray is the real #2

1>0 :wavey:

Nadal: RG champ

Mugray: AO runner up :wavey:

Topspindoctor
10-17-2011, 04:02 AM
Also I loved how Mugray showed what an obnoxious clown he is when he got broken in the second set. Truly disgraceful behavior, ATP should be taking notes and fining this unsavory character. Bigger drama queen than some WTA players :o

Azurebi
10-17-2011, 05:29 AM
Andy :hatoff:

Har-Tru
10-17-2011, 08:02 AM
Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.

Right... why can't Murray win one then? If he's capable of winning so many AMS and Slams are not much harder to win than AMS, why can't he win even one slam?

The answer is that slams are, objectively, harder to win than AMS. Because all players go all out on them, because they are the real thing.

leng jai
10-17-2011, 08:58 AM
Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.


Oh no you didn't.

MIMIC
10-17-2011, 09:57 AM
Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.

:eek:

So much fail.

Vida
10-17-2011, 10:04 AM
contrats murray :yeah:

no. 3. eh? nice. lets see how he does from here.

fast_clay
10-17-2011, 11:09 AM
Yet another second-tier win for the ultimate second-tier player.

you bastard...

I'm saying Murray has no right to call himself a member of any Big-insert number here group until he wins a slam and stops being a "good but not quite good enough" type of player.

you bastard...

Oh be quiet, Andy is part of the Big 4 whether you like it or not. He, along with the other Big 4 are the only players capable to winning big tournaments. That's why they're called the Big 4. And Andy is part of that :wavey:

sadly as a murray fan we must admit that har tru's argument is a very, very sound one...

i do wonder what har-tru feels about the location of del potro in the big number discussions...

I'm sorry, but what bearing does that have on results? We're discussing substance here, not eye-candy.

clydey McMac back to lay on some Extra McLarge Mcf**ken Mcsmackdown... the old scot in vintage form :rocker2:

philosophicalarf
10-17-2011, 11:40 AM
The answer is that slams are, objectively, harder to win than AMS. Because all players go all out on them, because they are the real thing.

That's clearly true in terms of motivation and preparation, but on the other side of the coin the extra pressure and physical demands reduce performance for quite a number of the field.

The latter point is perhaps becoming more the case for Federer. Quite a few slams the last two years we've seen him play serene stuff, then just lose out of nowhere.

Sophocles
10-17-2011, 12:13 PM
Well done Muzz.

Eden
10-17-2011, 12:31 PM
Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.

And why have those Slams since a few years only been won by Federer, Nadal and Djokovic - and with one exception Del Potro? Masters went to Davydenko, Roddick, Ljubicic, Berdych, Söderling, Tsonga, Nalbandian, Robredo and Murray.

Federer and Nadal are best examples what makes the differences between matches over best of 3 or best of 5 sets.

Also why has Murray been able to beat Federer several times in a Masters, yet wasn't able to beat him in a Grand Slam?

So far Murray has just been able to beat Nadal in a Slam and wasn't able to get a set of the 3 matches he has played in GS finals against Federer and Djokovic.

To win Masters titles helped Murray to improve his rankings but in order to be named together with the great players he has to win Grand Slam titles. He has the talent and potential to do it and as I already wrote earlier on in this thread it's up to him to challenge Djokovic and Nadal. People can't expect it from a 30 years old Federer.

Fujee
10-17-2011, 01:08 PM
Nice on Murray though I begrudge you the No.3 rank - even if you do deserve it over this years results. Pics, I love you no matter win or lose!

Sunset of Age
10-17-2011, 01:53 PM
And why have those Slams since a few years only been won by Federer, Nadal and Djokovic - and with one exception Del Potro? Masters went to Davydenko, Roddick, Ljubicic, Berdych, Söderling, Tsonga, Nalbandian, Robredo and Murray.

So much for "GS are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters", haha. :yeah:
I'd so much have liked to see Ferrer pick up this masters but it looks like he'll remain the eternal bridesmaid... time isn't actually on his side either. :sad:

Corey Feldman
10-17-2011, 02:40 PM
Slams are the 'big thing' because they are extended versions of MS events. Objectively, they are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters.:lol::hug:

Corey Feldman
10-17-2011, 02:41 PM
Also I loved how Mugray showed what an obnoxious clown he is when he got broken in the second set. Truly disgraceful behavior, ATP should be taking notes and fining this unsavory character. Bigger drama queen than some WTA players :ooh he's the drama Queen

Nadull is the one trying to organize strikes when a match of his has a rain delay ffs :o

abraxas21
10-17-2011, 03:08 PM
so much fail in this thread by the muzza hatas

i doubt murray himself loses any sleep about being considered a member of the big 4 or not...

okay, maybe he does but honestly, what gives? as long as he can beat the swiss muppet and the spanish pocahontas in the small events, he will gain confidence to beat them in the big stage. like ive always said, murray will win a GS one day

Corey Feldman
10-17-2011, 03:09 PM
what other tournies will Muzza play?

he could end this season winning everything, dont think i've seen Nole or Fed ever play at this high level

Saberq
10-17-2011, 03:11 PM
what other tournies will Muzza play?

he could end this season winning everything, dont think i've seen Nole or Fed ever play at this high level

I love this part

Har-Tru
10-17-2011, 04:59 PM
you bastard...



you bastard...



sadly as a murray fan we must admit that har tru's argument is a very, very sound one...

i do wonder what har-tru feels about the location of del potro in the big number discussions...



clydey McMac back to lay on some Extra McLarge Mcf**ken Mcsmackdown... the old scot in vintage form :rocker2:

As I've hinted at, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with these "big number" thing, but I don't think DPot can make a case for belonging in there at this moment in time.

That's clearly true in terms of motivation and preparation, but on the other side of the coin the extra pressure and physical demands reduce performance for quite a number of the field.

Like Murray?

Sapeod
10-17-2011, 05:02 PM
I see people continue to down Murray. Keep it up guys, it's funny when you're wrong.

Lurking
10-17-2011, 06:25 PM
So much for "GS are not a great deal harder to win than a Masters", haha. :yeah:


Since MS started in 1990 there has been a unique winner every 2.94 tournaments on outdoor hard courts, since 1990 there has been a unique winner every 2.59 tournaments at GS tournaments on hard courts :)

Same for Clay I assume.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-17-2011, 11:22 PM
I see people continue to down Murray. Keep it up guys, it's funny when you're wrong.

o dont wry im not downing him......im jus hoping that he wont explode like a certified gangster rapper:devil: :worship: :)

Preach on brother PREACH!!!!!!:angel:

Sham Kay
10-18-2011, 12:09 AM
o dont wry im not downing him......im jus hoping that he wont explode like a certified gangster rapper:devil: :worship: :)

Preach on brother PREACH!!!!!!:angel:
Got to say, this is a smarter argument against Murray doing well than most people put in. "Mugray is a pusher and will never win a slam" never gets old with some geniuses. Bless them.

The possibility of Murray actually exploding is quite worrying though. Even when looking comfortable against Ferrer he misses one shot and looks ever closer to spontaneously combusting.