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How many slams would fed have by now if he had the mental toughness of Nadal?

mark73
10-14-2011, 02:40 PM
I think he would have won the following

1) AO 2005
2) wimbledon 2008
3) AO 2009
4) USO 2009
5) USO 2011

so 21 in total.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
10-14-2011, 02:42 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA

you mean like nadal junk balls when nole has a break point

LOL

you mean like nadal's hands shake on his serve- and his balls drop when nole hits a cross court BH

LOL

you mean like nadal shanks easy BH putaways now because he is mentally fucked

LOL

mark73
10-14-2011, 02:54 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA

you mean like nadal junk balls when nole has a break point

LOL

you mean like nadal's hands shake on his serve- and his balls drop when nole hits a cross court BH

LOL

you mean like nadal shanks easy BH putaways now because he is mentally fucked

LOL

Well replace Nadal with someone you think has tremendous mental toughness.

juan27
10-14-2011, 03:06 PM
for me, the mental toughness of nadal is a little overrated.

i mean , with federer , nadal had the mental advantage that in federer`s prime the most part of the matches were in clay and when nadal started to won outside clay federer wasn`t in his peak.

and other factor is that the gamestyle of nadal is perfect to defeat federer`s tennis , is the perfect weapon to defeat roger.

but this year, we can see that when nadal lost many times with one guy(nole) , his tennis start to low and he lost with mugs , he looks depresed and satured after suffer that painful losses.

federer suffered many painful losses with nadal and roger keep winning and motivated for more glory.

maybe nadal has mental toughness when he win all but when he lost and need to recove, fails much more than federer!

zerocool_
10-14-2011, 03:09 PM
Sampras is probably mental toughness player ever, or atlest top3..
So replace with him.

dodo
10-14-2011, 03:11 PM
2,3,4 certainly. 1 and 5 is pretty speculative. 2011 and 2006 rg much more likely.
but yeah, what if, what if.

its staggering that the guy has enough steam to be both the achievement AND the choke GOAT.

Li Ching Yuen
10-14-2011, 03:13 PM
A few. It's not really something to lose sleep over though, unless you're a gloryhunter.

Guy's done well enough for any standards.

Shinoj
10-14-2011, 03:14 PM
If you take the mental toughness of Nadal in Federer, federer wont be the Federer we know and admire. He would be hitting fuckin Topspin back and forth. Hitting stupid Moonballs all across the courts. Behave like an animal on court and once the match is off act humbly while in the mind laughing on his opponents. No we dont want that Federer ever.

Leave that mental toughness to the talentless freak from Spain.

MuzzahLovah
10-14-2011, 03:18 PM
Well, without Nadal, Fed would have won like 7 more majors probably, so this doesn't that far fetched.

juan27
10-14-2011, 03:29 PM
Sampras is probably mental toughness player ever, or atlest top3..
So replace with him.

with that terrible serve is easy has mental toughness:)

all the greats have good things and bad things:

sampras and Mcenroe were bads in clay, because they had one-dimensional game for fast courts.

borg never won slams in hc.

in the case of federer, his mental toughness is maybe the only weakness, he has a good mental toughness but not at the same level of sampras,borg or nadal.

but the perfect player don`t exist.

federer has the perfect game but not the perfect mentality

swebright
10-14-2011, 03:39 PM
Mental toughness of Nadal, what's that????? Even Roger didn't lose 7 out of 10 finals in one year. Is that a most fearless competitor? Roger was outgunned by Nadal; Nadal was outgunned by Novak.

16 is what Roger deserves.

zerocool_
10-14-2011, 04:00 PM
with that terrible serve is easy has mental toughness:)

all the greats have good things and bad things:

sampras and Mcenroe were bads in clay, because they had one-dimensional game for fast courts.

borg never won slams in hc.

in the case of federer, his mental toughness is maybe the only weakness, he has a good mental toughness but not at the same level of sampras,borg or nadal.

but the perfect player don`t exist.

federer has the perfect game but not the perfect mentality


True. :) But Federer server ain't that bad either, but in cruial moments vs Nadal most of times it sux, because of mental toughness.. And yes, there is no perfect player, everyone are bad at something, that's tennis. :)

juan27
10-14-2011, 04:25 PM
True. :) But Federer server ain't that bad either, but in cruial moments vs Nadal most of times it sux, because of mental toughness.. And yes, there is no perfect player, everyone are bad at something, that's tennis. :)

of course, that`s tennis.

when federer was more young his mental toughness was even worst!!!

federer improve very much his mental aspect, It was the typical case of the very talented player Capable of winning anyone and after to lose with anyone( like in wimbledon 2001 winning sampras and lost after that) , If federer had not improved his mental aspect maybe today it had been a case similar to a nalbandian or safin very much talent but Few titles chord to his great tennis.

federer was need more time to matured and improve his mental aspect , but thanks god he made that because if he not , today maybe He had not been the roger federer that we know

EddieNero
10-14-2011, 05:02 PM
Federer should have won Wimbledon 2008 and AO 2009 as for slams, and Hamburg 2008.
However, every player is mentally tough at his prime, both Roger and Rafa were chokers during slumps/decline.

merryploughbhoy
10-14-2011, 05:19 PM
Just one of these nadal fans coming out with this... Turn the question round and I ask 'how many slams would nadal have of won if he had the tennis ability of Federer?' I'll tell you now that Nadal will NOT come near to getting as many as RF has. Nadal will be very very lucky to get 3 more, and even then thats at a big push and they will likely be french open clay if he can turn the tide on his deminishing ability.

atennisfan
10-14-2011, 06:11 PM
i mean , with federer , nadal had the mental advantage that in federer`s prime the most part of the matches were in clay and when nadal started to won outside clay federer wasn`t in his peak.




very true.

Mountaindewslave
10-14-2011, 06:16 PM
maybe a few more but Federer has a pretty solid mentality, he doesn't really get down on himself or even THINK that he is going to lose. I think what you are mistaking for bad mentality is him losing to other players who get passionate and start playing amazing tennis on the latter half of matches.... do recall though, at the point when you have broken most tennis records you lose interest a bit, or passion, and it's not that your mentality is necessarily weaker as much as that you just don't care as much. why would you? you've won everything

Egreen
10-14-2011, 06:56 PM
Mental toughness? Federer won 4 slams after his decline.

Let's see how many slams does the so called mentally stronger Nadal wins post decline.

MTwEeZi
10-14-2011, 06:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA

you mean like nadal junk balls when nole has a break point

LOL

you mean like nadal's hands shake on his serve- and his balls drop when nole hits a cross court BH

LOL

you mean like nadal shanks easy BH putaways now because he is mentally fucked

LOL

Calm down bro.

rocketassist
10-14-2011, 07:19 PM
Federer is a high-risk player, Nadal isn't. Of course the former's more prone to a choke than the 'safe' play of the latter, so the latter's 'mental toughness' is a touch overrated.

swebright
10-14-2011, 10:15 PM
At least Fed has been bagled less than Nadal (I think). So, who's tougher?

Even when he started losing, Fed is never that down on himself as much as "humble" Nadal. People say that he has huge ego but I think it's just his mentality.

Topspindoctor
10-15-2011, 01:37 AM
At least Fed has been bagled less than Nadal (I think). So, who's tougher?

Even when he started losing, Fed is never that down on himself as much as "humble" Nadal. People say that he has huge ego but I think it's just his mentality.

Olderer is almost impossible to bagel due to his serve.

BroTree123
10-15-2011, 02:11 AM
Irrelevant thread :rolleyes:

Orka_n
10-15-2011, 03:02 AM
>9000

shiaben
10-15-2011, 04:46 AM
The same amount as he does right now.

abraxas21
10-15-2011, 04:54 AM
about 0 GS

with nadal's mental strenght, federer would have been truly insecure and his game would most likely never have developed to the degree it did. people forget the fact that nadal was at the beggining of his career uncle toni's little toy. he did exactly what toni said, at the times he said it and how he said it. because of his insecure and uncalm personality, he needed a soldier-like coach in order to give his tennis style and career a strong sense of direction because he was mentally unable to give it all by himself. the kid has will power but he needed someone exactly like his uncle in order to accomplish something in life.

by contrast, federer fortunately didnt have that kind of authoritative figure as a coach when he was a kid or a teenager so his style developed more freely and with a stronger influence about the past greats, much like he wanted to play in the first place.

GSMnadal
10-15-2011, 07:00 AM
Mental toughness? Federer won 4 slams after his decline.

Let's see how many slams does the so called mentally stronger Nadal wins post decline.

1 and counting, expect more next year

MaxPower
10-15-2011, 07:19 AM
about 0 GS

with nadal's mental strenght, federer would have been truly insecure and his game would most likely never have developed to the degree it did. people forget the fact that nadal was at the beggining of his career uncle toni's little toy. he did exactly what toni said, at the times he said it and how he said it. because of his insecure and uncalm personality, he needed a soldier-like coach in order to give his tennis style and career a strong sense of direction because he was mentally unable to give it all by himself. the kid has will power but he needed someone exactly like his uncle in order to accomplish something in life.

by contrast, federer fortunately didnt have that kind of authoritative figure as a coach when he was a kid or a teenager so his style developed more freely and with a stronger influence about the past greats, much like he wanted to play in the first place.

True to some extent but as a teenager he had his on-court tantrums and was a bit of inconsistent. Otherwise he might have won slams earlier. When Peter Lundgren took over in 2000 he managed to somehow calm Federer down and then in 2003 came the first Wimbledon title out of many for example. Who knows what direction Federer could have taken without good coaching. Lundgren did great work with Rios too getting him into top10, helped Safin to reboot and almost helped Wawrinka to become a stable top player. His coaching results are very solid

EddieNero
10-15-2011, 10:29 AM
1 and counting, expect more next year

Nadal did not even start to decline yet.

Harmless
10-15-2011, 02:36 PM
I think you have to ask yourself how much complacence would have driven him down without Nadal as his foil. I don't think Roger would have had the longevity that he has, and very likely, will have, without a player like Rafa making him question himself and his game.

LawrenceOfTennis
10-15-2011, 06:29 PM
woulda coulda shoulda

oranges
10-15-2011, 06:36 PM
The same he has now.

Naudio Spanlatine
10-16-2011, 12:46 AM
woulda coulda shoulda

:worship: :superlol:

you might as well close this thread now:wavey:

jcempire
10-16-2011, 07:55 AM
well.......can't disagree with all of them