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Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?

oomph
10-10-2011, 11:48 PM
Yeah, obviously he is a better player, but players worse than Roddick have a better head to head with Federer than him.

What is it?

shiaben
10-10-2011, 11:50 PM
For the most part he was.

But oomph, look at it this way.

During Wimbledon 09, for the first time in his career, Roddick's backhand down the line clicked. 80% of the times on hardcourt and other surfaces, he would hit the net, and would never get those easy put aways. But during Wimbledon, when he fixed that, it did some severe damage to Federer on the rallies. Not to mention, Roddick out rallied Federer in that Wimbledon 09 when he fixed his backhand consistency as well.

The major problem outside of that though, was Roddick's inability to return Federer's serve. For this reason, given that Roddick is among the worst returners, he never had hope to begin with against Federer.

MaxPower
10-11-2011, 12:07 AM
Yes normally Federers serve was (is) more effective vs Roddick than Roddicks serve is against Federer. That kinda trumphed his biggest weapon. Add to that he had better movement and was superior in pretty much every aspect of the game. He could take the ball early and put Roddick under pressure right away or just wait him out or do whatever he liked.

I think Roddick has always been better when he could play on his own terms and he used to have a pretty big forehand actually. Federer never really let him play the matchup on his own terms though and no matter what Roddick tried he had a better answer.

Topspindoctor
10-11-2011, 12:34 AM
Because Fedclown is superior to Duck in every respect - even serve in that particular match up:

Serve - Federer wins here because Duck sucks at returning and Fed returns Duck's serve unusually well, mainly because it's all pace and shit disguise.
Forehand - LOL
Backhand - both are backhand clowns, but the geezer has more variety+better slice
movement/defense - obvious
mental - Olderer by virtue of winning so matches, so he doesn't expect to lose to Rodmug at any time

oomph
10-11-2011, 12:37 AM
Because Fedclown is superior to Duck in every respect - even serve in that particular match up:

Serve - Federer wins here because Duck sucks at returning and Fed returns Duck's serve unusually well, mainly because it's all pace and shit disguise.
Forehand - LOL
Backhand - both are backhand clowns, but the geezer has more variety+better slice
movement/defense - obvious
mental - Olderer by virtue of winning so matches, so he doesn't expect to lose to Rodmug at any time

What did I say? HE'S SIMPLY BETTER doesn't cut it as there are worse players than Roddick that didn't get Roflstomped every opportunity

Mechlan
10-11-2011, 12:48 AM
Mainly because Federer was by far the best at blocking back big serves in their primes. Roddick likes to use his big serve to stay ahead and be able to put enough balls in play on his opponent's serve to get wins. Against Federer, he can't do either. Federer takes the initiative early and wins most of the rallies and Roddick doesn't have nearly as many easy serve games as he likes to feel comfortable in this match up. And defeat and defeat starts to wear on you after a while, even for a fighter like Roddick.

Orka_n
10-11-2011, 12:55 AM
Mainly because Federer was by far the best at blocking back big serves in their primes. Roddick likes to use his big serve to stay ahead and be able to put enough balls in play on his opponent's serve to get wins. Against Federer, he can't do either. Federer takes the initiative early and wins most of the rallies and Roddick doesn't have nearly as many easy serve games as he likes to feel comfortable in this match up. And defeat and defeat starts to wear on you after a while, even for a fighter like Roddick./thread

Caesar1844
10-11-2011, 12:56 AM
That's because although they're worse players than Roddick, they usually have better groundstrokes. Roddick beats them because his serve dominates their serve.

If you're going to beat Federer, you have to do it with groundstrokes.

Alex999
10-11-2011, 01:03 AM
Fed is a bad matchup for anyone not called Nadal. He is a great player. It's very simple.

MuzzahLovah
10-11-2011, 01:11 AM
Well, Federer can block back huge serves. People with decent ground strokes can take advantage of blocked returns, but Roddick has pretty shitty ground strokes. Without his serve, for most of Roddick's peak he would have be a been a top 15-30 player, not top 10 or top 5 or higher. Fed effectively neutralizes the good part of his game, and each rally would start either on Federer's serve or a neutralizing return.

shiaben
10-11-2011, 01:12 AM
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Topspindoctor
10-11-2011, 01:16 AM
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Olderer has huge problems with low pace serve with extreme spin to backhand.

Duck's serve hardly carry any spin and are all pace and predictable at that. Thus, he finds all his serves blocked back at him and the rally starts at neutral on almost every point. Federer vs Roddick in a rally, we all know who will win those. :wavey:

The only anomaly was Wimbledon, where Olderer was outplayed in rallies, but literally served Duck off court. Hit something like 50 aces, ridiculous stuff.

SaFed2005
10-11-2011, 01:41 AM
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Wait, what? Did I really read this right? From the matches I have seen Nadal serves to the Federer BH at least about 90% of the time... I am not sure about this mix up you speak of from Nadal.
And its not just Federer, Nadal serves around 80% of his serves to any players BH side... its actually quite funny to see him do that constantly to the Djoko BH and get burned... and when he tries serving to the FH side he either DFs or throws on in the middle of the box...

I am sorry but as much as I think Roddick SUCKS... Roddick still has better placement on his serves than Nadal...

leng jai
10-11-2011, 02:07 AM
Due to Federer's block return basically. Roddick's serve is big but the placement isn't exactly the best. Good returners block it back deep and their superior groundstrokes do the rest.

moon language
10-11-2011, 02:22 AM
In addition to the blocked returns it seems that Federer was one of the first to be able to reliably read Roddick's serve.

Mechlan
10-11-2011, 02:30 AM
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Nadal serves far, far more predictably than Roddick against Federer. Federer's troubles with Nadal's serve are mainly because Federer is/was a stubborn idiot who refused to step over to cover his backhand even though 95% of Nadal's serves to him come to that side.

Mechlan
10-11-2011, 02:52 AM
Some Roddick highlights from back in the day when Roddick still had a ground game and serve. Many have forgotten but he could actually play this game well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9qTIcn4PeE

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
10-11-2011, 03:27 AM
same reason agassi owned becker

he read the serve very well

wimby 09 was a case of olderer playing shit and still managing to out get out mugged by duck

Federerhingis
10-11-2011, 03:34 AM
Fed is a bad matchup for anyone not called Nadal. He is a great player. It's very simple.


Actually now that I think about it, yes Roger is a bad match-up for most of the players except Nadal and Murray. This is mainly attributed to Rogers variety, especially when his sliced use to have some bite. Additionally Roger always plays a fast game and he was very good at taking the ball almost on the rise, robbing opponents of time.

sco
10-11-2011, 04:05 AM
Mainly because Federer was by far the best at blocking back big serves in their primes. Roddick likes to use his big serve to stay ahead and be able to put enough balls in play on his opponent's serve to get wins. Against Federer, he can't do either. Federer takes the initiative early and wins most of the rallies and Roddick doesn't have nearly as many easy serve games as he likes to feel comfortable in this match up. And defeat and defeat starts to wear on you after a while, even for a fighter like Roddick.

This is the main reason.

Fed is a bad matchup for anyone not called Nadal. He is a great player. It's very simple.

If Fed is pushing Nole to two 5 set matches in GSs at age 30, he's a bad matchup for anyone (sans Nadal). I suspect that part of it is that Roddick barely inched him out for the #1 ranking in 2003 - that would have been - what? - 6 years ranked #1. Fed's got a long memory against the Hewitts, Nalbandians, Roddicks.

paseo
10-11-2011, 04:18 AM
Because Federer can return 140mph serves at your feet but will shank 80mph lefty slice serves to the backhand

lol, this is true.

PiggyGotRoasted
10-11-2011, 04:28 AM
I am interested to see if Dimitrov is a bad matchup for roddick as well.

EddieNero
10-11-2011, 06:17 AM
Besides reading serve, Roddick's groundstrokes are also too predictable for Fed.
When Duck makes an attempt to attack, Roger can defend succesfully using the slice shot , which completely doesn't work against Nadal for example, hence his match-up issues with Rafa from the beginning of their rivalry.
Apart from the tennis aspects, Federer feels as if he was playing an exho/warm-up against Roddick, we can see no pressure on Roger then, he is playing with a lot of confidence, mainly because Fed knows Rod's agressive gameplan will collapse after couple of points, maybe sets (vide USO 2007).

Haelfix
10-11-2011, 06:42 AM
Federer (for whatever reason) had a perfect read on Roddicks serve. That always tends to lead to lopsided results in pro tennis.

I think Fed's return of first serve in his prime, is one of the most underrated elements of his game, and one of the best in tennis history. He put back more Roddick 1st serves than pretty much anybody else (including Djokovic, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Davydenko etc).

From the baseline, Roddick was outclassed across the board. So without the ability to win free points on the serve, and knowing that he was outclassed in all other areas of the game, Roddick had to alter his game in ridiculous ways.

This led to a lot of scenarios where he would kamikaze the net (bad news against Federer's passing shots), or try to overhit, or try to overgrind etc. The matchup at that point went to his head.

leng jai
10-11-2011, 07:20 AM
Because Federer can return 140mph serves at your feet but will shank 80mph lefty slice serves to the backhand

Why would Federer return Roddick's serve at his feet when he'll be 2 metres behind the baseline by then? Sounds like an error in both scenarios.

Sophocles
10-11-2011, 09:45 AM
Serve/return issues have been covered. Fed also was adept at exploiting Roddick's terrible transition game with wicked short-angled slices followed up by zinging passing shots.

bandabou
10-11-2011, 10:28 AM
Because Federer is Federer.. no seriously..Roger did a good job at taking away Andy's serve. Then it becomes a groundgame and if you can't find Roger's forehand consistently, you ain't gonna win many matches against him.

Only Nadal has really found the way to beat Roger almsot at will, so no shame for Andy.

oomph
10-11-2011, 10:40 AM
Because Federer is Federer.. no seriously..Roger did a good job at taking away Andy's serve. Then it becomes a groundgame and if you can't find Roger's forehand consistently, you ain't gonna win many matches against him.

Only Nadal has really found the way to beat Roger almsot at will, so no shame for Andy.

And that only on clay. :lol:

Still, if it's about good returners, why has Djokovic have a LOSING H2H against him then? :eek:

Super Djoker
10-11-2011, 10:46 AM
Too much skill!

bandabou
10-11-2011, 11:26 AM
And that only on clay. :lol:

Still, if it's about good returners, why has Djokovic have a LOSING H2H against him then? :eek:

That's a very interesting question..hmmm...

The Magician
10-11-2011, 11:46 AM
Because he had to face Federer in his prime at grand slams. If Nadull, Fakervic, or Nadull had to face Federer in 2004-2006 they would have been dominated just like everyone else. Hard to imagine when you just started watching tennis I know, but in his prime Federer really was on another planet and that level of play will never be replicated again, especially not by the clowns today :wavey:

timafi
10-11-2011, 11:46 AM
Roger's serve is not predictable

Roger reads Roddick's serves

Roger takes the ball early and is constantly aggressive unlike pusher Roddic:shrug:
Roger moves better

Roger is faster

Roger has depth on his shot and even if his backhand is "weaker" his backhand is still 1.000.000 better than that of Roddick's

Roger has variety in his forehand and hits it flat if he's in the mood:tape:

Roger knows how to defend

Roger can go from defense to offense

unlike Roddick:tape: Roger can approach the net well and hit volley that won't be run down like Roddick's "volleys"

Roger can hit slices

Roger can hit drop shots

Roddick is predictable with the backhand floating "slice" in the middle of the service court

Roddick is predictable with that forehand "slice" to Roger's forehand

Roddick is predictable with the forehand he tries to hit to Roger's forehand that gets him passed all day long

it doesn't need to be about sheer power with Roger


hell last time Roger played Roddick in Basel he didn't even block Roddick's serve:tape:

everyone beats Roddick now after watching Roger destroy Roddick's predictable game and they should pay Roger residual fees:tape:
the better and aggressive players not surprising from Nadal;Dkokovic;Murray;Ferrer;Tsonga and those who beat him:shrug: and the schmucks:Andujar;Cipola;Gabashvili :tape:



Roger can hit a high backhand volley:tape: :tape: thank you for that one Roddick:hatoff:

BodyServe
10-11-2011, 12:01 PM
Because he had to face Federer in his prime at grand slams. If Nadull, Fakervic, or Nadull had to face Federer in 2004-2006 they would have been dominated just like everyone else. Hard to imagine when you just started watching tennis I know, but in his prime Federer really was on another planet and that level of play will never be replicated again, especially not by the clowns today :wavey:

Of course Federer level of play can be surpassed, i mean he doesn't have a really good topspin BH and his FH isn't that good on high balls.

Keep dreaming, that must be great to live in delusion.

The Magician
10-11-2011, 12:17 PM
Of course Federer level of play can be surpassed, i mean he doesn't have a really good topspin BH and his FH isn't that good on high balls.

Keep dreaming, that must be great to live in delusion.

:stupid:

Key word is "doesn't" because in the present you're right. The whole point however is those things "weren't" true and Federer in his prime had the best forehand ever and an unattackable backhand. His slice used to be much better, he was far quicker to defend the backhand and high balls didn't work because he stood on the baseline and could half volley moonballs before they got up. Nadull's tactics really only started working when Federer's movement broke down, it was never in his hands and even now OldFed has the matchup against Nadull on his racket :wavey:

leng jai
10-11-2011, 01:36 PM
Of course Federer level of play can be surpassed, i mean he doesn't have a really good topspin BH and his FH isn't that good on high balls.

Keep dreaming, that must be great to live in delusion.

Your tennis knowledge rocks.

heya
10-11-2011, 02:07 PM
just like today vs. grigor,
'dick jekyllandmrhyde" was always a moonball dropshot clown and fraud. a clueless choker who cared more about buying respect with his fangirls' money and sleeping with a vacuous fantasy-nba playing 'model'. :facepalm:forget about playing dignified tennis and retiring when he's declining. :cuckoo: he knows he tried to look like an amazing player by being an apologist for federer. but because he's surrounded by greedy wealthy bitches, he doesn't care what he does. idiot was broken 3 or more times and still howled like a talentless douchebag who robbed the bank and stole some love in shanghai. he's kato kaelyn.

mooncreek
10-11-2011, 10:21 PM
Federer's return neutralizes Roddick's biggest weapon while Roddick's return makes Federer's serve look amazing.

Consider that in the 2009 Wimbledon match (the best match Roddick played against him) Federer had 50 aces! About half of them in the 16-14 set. Federer is not a player I'd ever call an ace machine but he consistently out-aces Roddick in their matches.