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Does Murray have most similar gamestyle to Nole?

romismak
10-10-2011, 09:25 PM
What do you think from all players when you see Nole is Murray the one with most similar gamestyle? I think only bigger differenc eis than Nole is agressive baseliner and Murray deffensive- but in matches when he is playing agressive he is very similar to Nole. I mean overall without that agressive-deffensive categorization - both have super ROS, good FH, best BH-s in game, above average serve for top players, great footwork, speed, deffense, passing shots, good stamina, they both are among players that used drop shots a lot, so really a lot of similarities in their game what do you think. What do you think is there somebody with even more similar game to Nole than Murray?

Nole Rules
10-10-2011, 09:40 PM
Yeah, true. Andy is maybe the only player who can play the Djokovic game on a very high level (watch the the last 2 sets of Tokyo's final this year). Andy played like Djoker V.2 in the last 2 sets. His main issue is just a mental issue imo and that's what makes him very inconsistent and not confindent enough in his game in the slams.

Vida
10-10-2011, 09:45 PM
tipsarevic has more similar game to nole than murray.

murray can play offence like djokovic for a set and a half, after that he crumbles cause thats not his game.

Nole Rules
10-10-2011, 09:49 PM
Tipsarevic. He has a great backhand, very good forehand, great serve for someone of his height, solid off the ground and fairly fast. He is of course not on Nole-Murray level when he plays decent but he can be at that level when he is really ON.

TBkeeper
10-10-2011, 09:55 PM
Davydenko have the most similar game to Nole but Davydenko is more aggressive

philosophicalarf
10-10-2011, 09:58 PM
Murray has much more of a default preference towards switching pace, Djokovic likes a rhythm (and indeed you can screw with his game by not giving him it, see Dolgopolov match at US Open, or Tomic at Wimbledon).

Obviously they're similar in height and court coverage, and Djokovic this year is more defensive than he used to be (or at least more patient), because he's got InfiniteStamina and can simply wear down and outlast any opponent physically in the rally .... even Nadal.

Major differnece is Djokovic has more ability to hit with pace on the full stretch though, which makes him very hard to attack - opponent hits big, the ball comes back with depth, angle and pace. Murray on the stretch has better passing shots, but if the opponent stays on the baseline he's often going to just get the ball punted back in play.

Getta
10-10-2011, 10:04 PM
murray can play offence like djokovic for a set and a half, after that he crumbles cause thats not his game.

depends on how he chooses to react to what is happening to him.

here, for instance, he chooses to employ a heavy s&v style.
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pray-for-palestine-and-israel
10-10-2011, 10:11 PM
murray is a better tactiurn, usually plays smarter aswell- the most balanced player- sometimes too defensive

nole is a genetic superman- awesome groundstrokes- awesome serve- awesome return of serve- mental giant (right now)

Alex999
10-10-2011, 11:10 PM
I think they are different. Maybe not that much, but still. The major difference is that Novak has a much better FH than Andy. I think that Murray is a very intelligent player but unless he improves his FH he'll get nowhere. I keep saying this again and again.

MuzzahLovah
10-10-2011, 11:24 PM
They are broadly similar, as they aren't bashers like Berdych/Tsonga/Del Po, and have a lot more offensive capabilities than Monfils or the lesser Spanish retrievers. Nadal's style is fairly unique, as is Fed's(barring Dimitrov's emulation).
Murray has the odd combo of having a better serve and volley but more comfortable with defense/counterpunching. Djokovic is more of an aggressive baseliner, but his flexibility helps him both with retrieving and at the net.

But yeah, they are both backhand oriented pusher/basher/retriever superhybrids of the future.

Actually, they all have mini-mes:
Federer-Dimitrov
Nadal-Monfils
Murray-Simon
Nole-Troicki

Mountaindewslave
10-11-2011, 12:26 AM
a little bit but who cares, they are different players and there really is little point in mentioning that both are great from the baseline because all top players are

shiaben
10-11-2011, 12:29 AM
Nadal in recent times has been winning most of his points thanks to his aggressive forehand plays. In the past he use to defeat opponents off both ends, but the backhand has staggered a bit.

oomph
10-11-2011, 12:42 AM
Murrays forehand isn't nearly as good, nor is he nearly as consistent. :lol: Djokovic is like Davydenko a bit, just not as extreme. Murray has much better feel and variety. Djokovic has much more consistently deep groundstrokes and hugs the baseline better. Murray mixes it up far more.

MaxPower
10-11-2011, 12:54 AM
Makes it sound like the latter part of Murrays last match vs Nadal was how he normally plays. Murray didn't even play like Murray in that deciding set. So no not really.

On the other hand Nole himself has become more of a counter player that likes to rely on great movement and fitness and Murray seems to become more aggressive so if they meet halfway they will be similar for a while.

Better to look at their entire careers than 1-2 matches and then a big fat NO

Asadinator
10-11-2011, 01:09 AM
Murray has one of the worst forehands where Djokovic has one of the best right now. But apart from that they are quite similar.

paseo
10-11-2011, 01:10 AM
No.

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 01:23 AM
murray has a lot more variety than fako

on the other hand, fako is more consistent, esp his forehand

abraxas21
10-11-2011, 01:25 AM
Davydenko have the most similar game to Nole but Davydenko is more aggressive

there's some truth to this

kolya likes to take the ball early and that allows him to be more offensive

Topspindoctor
10-11-2011, 01:28 AM
Mugray is a pushing junkballer, not even close.

shiaben
10-11-2011, 02:20 AM
I think to be respectful. I hope Murray's name or game (whichever one would prefer), is never ever mentioned along Nadal's ever again.

fast_clay
10-11-2011, 02:24 AM
both matured to the top 10 in very similar fashion, though now, djokovic has found the ability to find world beating form seemingly on command for much of this year... murray still struggles with being able to find the right mix for the right time... this is probably because murray has a wider skill set than djokovic... djokovic's game is maybe less a dimension, but that allows a player to play with more clarity, freedom and instinct than one shouldered with the burden of decision making...

as for the style, in old terms djokovic would be switch between a predominance of attaking baseliner tempered with some counterpunching depending on the aggression of the opponent, where murray's game is naturally more defensive - and murray probably would be wise in not listening to those who preach to him to become more offensive as he only ever an inspired attacker... his offence is not an on/off switch... his inspired offence come from successful high energy defence or sensing a weakness after building pressure - without that he is not confident enough to play offensive whenever he chooses...

unlike djokovic, whose offence is a tap at this point in time...

shiaben
10-11-2011, 02:27 AM
I think it is ridiculous to kind of assume Djokovic is 1 dimensional.

He's shown that he's able to effectively slice during rallies and not just hit the ball hard on both ends.

He's also given Tsonga a taste of his own medicine with similar deadly drop volleys in the Wimbledon date.

fast_clay
10-11-2011, 02:34 AM
I think it is ridiculous to kind of assume Djokovic is 1 dimensional.


no doubt... his successful serve volley at 30/30 while serving for the wimbledon championship would stand as tribute to a man who has looked at developing his craft outside of metronomic ballstriking... as would his employment of todd martin...

but i don't think anyone here labelled djokovic as one dimesional... bit of a straw man you threw there... don't you think...?

shiaben
10-11-2011, 02:37 AM
Sorry, that was just directed at anyone or anything, that thinks of Djokovic as such.

I was just thinking about the few days before the Australian Open date, where people said that Murray deserves the win more than Djokovic because he's a more unique and talented player with a lot of more skills.

shiaben
10-11-2011, 02:39 AM
But to answer the thread operator:

Murray is a pusher at the slams, while Djokovic knocks his opponents off the court ASAP.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
10-11-2011, 05:00 AM
i always thought murray had more potential than nole

nole uses all his potential though- legend

murray- not so much

Action Jackson
10-11-2011, 05:06 AM
No

Rodre Fegassi
10-11-2011, 10:38 AM
Simply put, Djokovic is Murray with an actual forehand, an actual second serve, and actual net-play.

He also has advantages in the departments of speed/footwork/agility/movement/court coverage and defense.

What has Murray got over Djokovic?

Nothing.

FlameOn
10-11-2011, 11:50 AM
Not really. I think Nole is more offensive-minded, he's always trying to end the rallies with his FH these days, you won't catch Murray doing that.

Super Djoker
10-11-2011, 11:51 AM
Murray only plays atttack minded tennis v Lessor players, while Djokovic goes for it against nearly everyone. Murray is more passive! They have similar games but Djokovic,s is better with more variety.

Roadmap
10-11-2011, 01:02 PM
Simply put, Djokovic is Murray with an actual forehand, an actual second serve, and actual net-play.

He also has advantages in the departments of speed/footwork/agility/movement/court coverage and defense.

What has Murray got over Djokovic?

Nothing.

Net play? You should try watching Murray with your eyes open. If you are still having problems then try specsavers. Speed? No way. Murray has a better balance between speed and positional sense which makes him an overall better mover.

Roadmap
10-11-2011, 01:03 PM
Murray's net skills are streets ahead of Fakervic.

Yilansan
10-11-2011, 01:16 PM
Murray and Djokovice are similar to a certain extent but are actually quite different players. Murray is a genius in playing smart tennis when his mind functions normally whereas Djokovic is just not bad in this aspect. Murray has a lot more variety than Djokovic who's best shots are groundstrokes. Murray plays to disrupt opponent's rythem and is more defensive than djokovic.

ballbasher101
10-11-2011, 01:23 PM
There are slightly similar but in my eyes Djokovic is a better version of Davydenko and Nalbandian. He is not as attacking as these guys but he is still an aggressive player. He moves and serves better than these guys though.

NJ88
10-11-2011, 02:03 PM
When Murray is playing aggressive tennis then it's a little similar although the strengths on each side are different. Murray has a better backhand, Djokovic has a better forehand. But they can play similar styles in that way from the baseline. Djokovic is just better at that play than Murray on most occasions.

Murray likes to play with different paces and switches up his style a lot more than Djokovic does though. He uses the slice more, he uses drop shots a lot etc whereas Djokovic is a baseline player for thhe most part. Djokovic's style works for him fantastically though and Murrays can falter. But when both are at their best they match up pretty well.

Saberq
10-11-2011, 02:39 PM
Net play? You should try watching Murray with your eyes open. If you are still having problems then try specsavers. Speed? No way. Murray has a better balance between speed and positional sense which makes him an overall better mover.

Nobody moves better than Djokovic he is the best mover in tennis

emotion
10-11-2011, 02:52 PM
Tipsarevic
Much better serve
Worse forehand
Slightly worse backhand
Better volleys
Better endurance
But enormous choking

Alex999
10-11-2011, 04:06 PM
Murray and Djokovice are similar to a certain extent but are actually quite different players. Murray is a genius in playing smart tennis when his mind functions normally whereas Djokovic is just not bad in this aspect. Murray has a lot more variety than Djokovic who's best shots are groundstrokes. Murray plays to disrupt opponent's rythem and is more defensive than djokovic.
Define smarter tennis please? Garbage.

Alex999
10-11-2011, 04:11 PM
When Murray is playing aggressive tennis then it's a little similar although the strengths on each side are different. Murray has a better backhand, Djokovic has a better forehand. But they can play similar styles in that way from the baseline. Djokovic is just better at that play than Murray on most occasions.

Murray likes to play with different paces and switches up his style a lot more than Djokovic does though. He uses the slice more, he uses drop shots a lot etc whereas Djokovic is a baseline player for thhe most part. Djokovic's style works for him fantastically though and Murrays can falter. But when both are at their best they match up pretty well.
right indeed. Murray has a better BH, lol. Man, go watch some tennis and learn. Novak has the best BH in the world atm. Period. You don't have a clue.

EliSter
10-11-2011, 04:12 PM
They are broadly similar, as they aren't bashers like Berdych/Tsonga/Del Po, and have a lot more offensive capabilities than Monfils or the lesser Spanish retrievers. Nadal's style is fairly unique, as is Fed's(barring Dimitrov's emulation).
Murray has the odd combo of having a better serve and volley but more comfortable with defense/counterpunching. Djokovic is more of an aggressive baseliner, but his flexibility helps him both with retrieving and at the net.

But yeah, they are both backhand oriented pusher/basher/retriever superhybrids of the future.

Actually, they all have mini-mes:
Federer-Dimitrov
Nadal-Monfils
Murray-Simon
Nole-Troicki

This made me lol.

Nole Rules
10-11-2011, 04:16 PM
They are broadly similar, as they aren't bashers like Berdych/Tsonga/Del Po, and have a lot more offensive capabilities than Monfils or the lesser Spanish retrievers. Nadal's style is fairly unique, as is Fed's(barring Dimitrov's emulation).
Murray has the odd combo of having a better serve and volley but more comfortable with defense/counterpunching. Djokovic is more of an aggressive baseliner, but his flexibility helps him both with retrieving and at the net.

But yeah, they are both backhand oriented pusher/basher/retriever superhybrids of the future.

Actually, they all have mini-mes:
Federer-Dimitrov
Nadal-Monfils
Murray-Simon
Nole-Troicki

:facepalm:

Farenhajt
10-11-2011, 04:49 PM
Yea, and Stepanek S&V's a lot, hence his gamestyle is the most similar to Sampras.