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Was all the Criticism about Nadals physical,grinidng style null?

Shinoj
10-09-2011, 04:07 AM
I remember there was lot of talks around two or three years ago whether Nadal can continue with his Physical,grinding style which puts a lot of pressure on his body etc.

A lot of statements were made like McEnroe saying" His Body is writing cheques that his body cant cash". Tony Pickard was saying at 20 years his body has undergone lot of wear and tear and you wonder how much more can his body take" etc

Three years down the line, Nadal is still doing quite good. Having reached a lot of finals in 2011 only being edged out by extra ordinary Nole, and just last year he won 3 GS.

Discuss about his playing style ?

MuzzahLovah
10-09-2011, 04:34 AM
He looks over the hill at 25, so I wouldn't say completely unfounded. Then again, there were all those warning about Roddick's serving style making him prone to shoulder injuries, and that turned out to be the least of his problems.

But yeah, I think he does have more injuries than average, seeing he was injured at least 6 different times against Djokovic, and more against Fish, Dodig, and Tsonga etc. :p

Xristos
10-09-2011, 04:37 AM
Nadal is doing just fine.

Mountaindewslave
10-09-2011, 04:43 AM
nothing more than gossip, besides 2009 Nadal has been fine. tennis fans make much about nothing

nadalwon2012
10-09-2011, 04:51 AM
If Nadal hasn't already put a nail in the coffin of those critics he definitely will soon as he continues to rack up the slams. Djokovic is the only player who can stop him, yet Djokovic is struggling to beat Federer in the slams and struggling with his own body. So I'd say the Nadal critics are walking tight rope right now. History will beckon if Nadal wins multiple slams in 2012.

Topspindoctor
10-09-2011, 04:55 AM
He looks over the hill at 25, so I wouldn't say completely unfounded. Then again, there were all those warning about Roddick's serving style making him prone to shoulder injuries, and that turned out to be the least of his problems.

But yeah, I think he does have more injuries than average, seeing he was injured at least 6 different times against Djokovic, and more against Fish, Dodig, and Tsonga etc. :p

Nadal has been second best player this year, and much better than the pusher from Scotland :wavey:

Nekromanta
10-09-2011, 04:58 AM
Those critics are retarded... They always remind me of one of my girlfriends who used to say that my bouncy walking style wastes energy :D

Pirata.
10-09-2011, 06:17 AM
It would be for a lower ranked player who didn't have the resources to get top quality medical care like Nadal.

oomph
10-09-2011, 07:39 AM
Those critics are retarded... They always remind me of one of my girlfriends who used to say that my bouncy walking style wastes energy :D
:lol:
:lol:

Was she like Phoebe from Friends? :devil:

Sri
10-09-2011, 07:39 AM
Nadal has been second best player this year, and much better than the pusher from Scotland :wavey:
You picked the wrong day to make that comment. ;-)

MariaV
10-09-2011, 07:43 AM
Nadal has been second best player this year, and much better than the pusher from Scotland :wavey:

That pusher from Scotland just force fed him a bagel. :D :D :D :bigwave:

EddieNero
10-09-2011, 07:45 AM
Yeap, Nadal is just the same player as he was in 2008. 0-7 in finals off clay.

shiaben
10-09-2011, 07:45 AM
Stop bitching guys. So one win in a small tournament is more significant than Nadal beating down on Murray at the slams? Get a life...

Filo V.
10-09-2011, 07:46 AM
The problem with Rafa's style of play is the same it's always been. When he's facing someone like Murray here in Tokyo, Nole, Federer in London last year, Tsonga at the AO 2008 for examples, he's got a very, very hard time changing the course of the match because they can just overpower him and his topspin. His physicality, well, he's a bull physically but even today you can sense he getting fatigued by the end. And eventually all the running he does catches up to him and guys who can hit sharp shots deep on a consistent basis can break Rafa down.

Difference in slams is that Rafa's so physical that it's hard to keep playing on point offensively for a 5-set match for several hours. Therefore, Rafa is a lot more vulnerable outside of slams than in them.

Asadinator
10-09-2011, 07:56 AM
Nadal has been second best player this year, and much better than the pusher from Scotland :wavey:

lol

ballbasher101
10-09-2011, 08:05 AM
This is not the 80s. Players have access to the best training methods ever. Injuries that used to end careers can now be treated. Nadal's grinding style is bad for the body but he gets away with it because of the advances made in the field of sports science.

Tutu
10-09-2011, 11:21 AM
The problem with Rafa's style of play is the same it's always been. When he's facing someone like Murray here in Tokyo, Nole, Federer in London last year, Tsonga at the AO 2008 for examples, he's got a very, very hard time changing the course of the match because they can just overpower him and his topspin. His physicality, well, he's a bull physically but even today you can sense he getting fatigued by the end. And eventually all the running he does catches up to him and guys who can hit sharp shots deep on a consistent basis can break Rafa down.

Difference in slams is that Rafa's so physical that it's hard to keep playing on point offensively for a 5-set match for several hours. Therefore, Rafa is a lot more vulnerable outside of slams than in them.

Yup.

Alex999
10-09-2011, 12:19 PM
If Nadal hasn't already put a nail in the coffin of those critics he definitely will soon as he continues to rack up the slams. Djokovic is the only player who can stop him, yet Djokovic is struggling to beat Federer in the slams and struggling with his own body. So I'd say the Nadal critics are walking tight rope right now. History will beckon if Nadal wins multiple slams in 2012.
How is Novak struggling to beat Federer in majors, lol? Man, I'm tired of stupid people on this board. If I remember correctly he beat him 2 times this year in majors (AO, USO) and only lost at RG. You are struggling with your brain, lol.

Roamed
10-09-2011, 01:04 PM
How is Novak struggling to beat Federer in majors, lol? Man, I'm tired of stupid people on this board. If I remember correctly he beat him 2 times this year in majors (AO, USO) and only lost at RG. You are struggling with your brain, lol.

Well he's certainly not finding it easy to beat him. I'll give you the AO, as it was a 3 setter even though each was relatively tight, but obviously given that after that match Fed won at RG. Then he went 2-0 up at the USO and certainly played a part in his own demise after that although of course Nole fought well. In comparison to any other of his slam opponents this year, Nole has struggled against Federer. It's not stupid to say so.


Regarding the original question of the thread, the reports of Rafa's demise have been greatly exaggerated. In the first half of the year he reached the final of every tournament he played apart from Doha and the AO. He still won a slam this year and if Nole hadn't suddenly started playing so much better than he used to then we may be looking at another 3-slam year for him. Don't forget that his achievements aren't just dependent on his own form. Next year he's still going to be very much in the running to win every slam and to get #1.

Shinoj
10-09-2011, 04:58 PM
Well His physical grinding style remains intact and somewhat efficient but the Top guys are working this talentless physical freak finally. Now its upto good old Federer to follow the suit and dump the Naduller once for ever.

Tennis is being saved. :rocker2:

HKz
10-09-2011, 05:14 PM
You can't blame them. Plenty of players that were based mainly of physical strength and endurance have burned out quickly in the past (Courier, Chang, etc). Of course Nadal is on a different level, but you can't blame those including myself, thinking that his career would slow down much faster than it did. In fact, in a way it has and his many "injuries" have some merit as I thought he was playing better overall tennis in 2008 from May to August than 2010 despite the fact he won the three slams in 2010.

nadalwon2012
10-09-2011, 05:20 PM
How is Novak struggling to beat Federer in majors, lol? Man, I'm tired of stupid people on this board. If I remember correctly he beat him 2 times this year in majors (AO, USO) and only lost at RG. You are struggling with your brain, lol.

Not sure what planet you are on, but:
2010 US Open, Federer had 2 matchpoints.
2011 Aust Open, Djokovic won in 3 tight sets.
2011 Roland Garros, Federer won in 4 sets.
2011 US Open, Federer had 2 matchpoints.

Djokovic barely beat Federer at the 2 US Open meetings, was incredibly close, and Federer was on top in each match. And the other 2 meetings were split. So, that is a major hurdle for Djokovic each time he faces Federer in a slam semi. It would surprise nobody if Federer beat Djokovic in 2 or 3 slams next year. The only convincing slam win Djokovic has had over Federer this year was in Australia, but even then it was close in each set.

shiaben
10-09-2011, 06:41 PM
Not sure what planet you are on, but:
2010 US Open, Federer had 2 matchpoints.
2011 Aust Open, Djokovic won in 3 tight sets.
2011 Roland Garros, Federer won in 4 sets.
2011 US Open, Federer had 2 matchpoints.

Djokovic barely beat Federer at the 2 US Open meetings, was incredibly close, and Federer was on top in each match. And the other 2 meetings were split. So, that is a major hurdle for Djokovic each time he faces Federer in a slam semi. It would surprise nobody if Federer beat Djokovic in 2 or 3 slams next year. The only convincing slam win Djokovic has had over Federer this year was in Australia, but even then it was close in each set.

People ignore these things. Thanks for pointing this out. :wavey: Glad to know I'm not the only one who shares a similar view on this matter.

merryploughbhoy
10-09-2011, 06:48 PM
Its simple, nadal was only ever going to last a few years at his peak with the way he plays, now its taken it out of him. Its the begining of the end for nadal, Murray out fought, out classed and out lasted him today by a long way, he actually made him look silly in the 3rd set. How the mighty have fallen....

shiaben
10-09-2011, 06:51 PM
Its simple, nadal was only ever going to last a few years at his peak with the way he plays, now its taken it out of him. Its the begining of the end for nadal, Murray out fought, out classed and out lasted him today by a long way, he actually made him look silly in the 3rd set. How the mighty have fallen....

Murray has done this to him before at a small tournament.

Why can't he do this to Nadal at the slams?

Please stop this mighty have fallen spiel...

shiaben
10-09-2011, 06:52 PM
Murray also defeated Federer 3x in a row or something at small tournaments like these 250s, 500s, 1000 masters etc. and Federer stomped on him at the Australian Open. People keep parroting this nonsense.