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ATP Men's Doubles - Reduced Match Scoring

FM505
10-08-2011, 03:12 AM
This topic continues to aggravate me... Lousy decision by ATP and ITF to shorten doubles matches with a third set tie-breaker... and now further debilitated with sudden death game points at deuce.

Can someone direct me to a previous discussion(d) where I can develop some background info on the decision makers and player reactions.

Any progress toward reversing this ill-conceived ruling...?

Certinfy
10-08-2011, 09:34 AM
Wasn't it done to try and get more singles players playing doubles? :confused:

MaxPower
10-08-2011, 07:13 PM
You can probably use the search function and dig up info. The third set TB is called a super tie-breaker so can use that as keyword.

But in short they thought it would make doubles more interesting for the crowd/TV. Organizers also didn't mind as "long" doubles matches could ruin the schedule.

If i remember correctly a lot of players were against it, especially the ones doing great as it happened. But in the end everyone adapted. I think generally the best doubles players will be more against it as it adds some elements of luck into it. I think singles players and players that switch partner a lot are positive as it gives them a better chance. Now everyone has adapted and I don't see them reversing the decision


The probably work with some new way to make doubles more "interesting" as we speak. Just look at this subforum. Only thing that brings big interest is Federers potential mixed doubles with Hingis in 2012 Olympics :help:

motorhead
10-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Is this game point at deuce rule already in use now? or when is it going to take place?

Bashak
10-09-2011, 04:09 PM
I've seen that they use "deciding point" in challengers . The umpire literally announces it before they play the point at deuce. However I'm not sure if they use it at all the deuces or the second deuce. I wasn't paying enough attention.

scoobs
10-09-2011, 05:08 PM
Game point at deuce has been in use for several years now.

Basically when it gets to deuce, the next point is break point or game point. The receiving team get to choose who will take the serve, and whoever wins the point takes the game.

soulage
10-09-2011, 09:46 PM
The No-AD rules must be used on ATP Tour since 2006 so around 5 years. Indeed a lot of tennis followers doesn't know the doubles rules. It's not the same sport in a way :p.

In 2005 there was another try with the tie-break coming at 5-5 but this rules didn't last long. The No-Ad and the super tie break is a way to make the match shorter. Tournament director are often harsch about the doubles specialist. I remember reading that for a tournament director they are expensive and useless :lol:

When you see that some doubles finals of Masters 1000 have no streaming you understand the problem of acknowledge

Roddickominator
10-10-2011, 03:16 AM
They should do this for singles matches as well.

Topspindoctor
10-10-2011, 06:14 AM
They should do this for singles matches as well.

No they shouldn't. If someone has too short of an attention spam to watch a tennis match, they should switch to something more simple with more ads in between like American football.

5th set tie breaks is precisely what turned USO into a clown slam.

Ajk822
10-10-2011, 05:42 PM
No they shouldn't. If someone has too short of an attention spam to watch a tennis match, they should switch to something more simple with more ads in between like American football.

5th set tie breaks is precisely what turned USO into a clown slam.

You do realize that American football lasts longer than soccer, and many people in the US watch about 10 hours of it every Sunday. The sport is also much more complicated than soccer.

When a sport loses the interest of the masses, it dies. Sometimes changes are necessary to keep interest. Look at what cricket is trying to do.

Roddickominator
10-11-2011, 11:00 PM
The idea of shortening matches, creating more important points, and reducing the number of redundant, boring points in a match sounds like a great idea to me. It'd be more of an advantage to shotmaking and less of one for players who try to grind their opponent down(which is boring as hell anyway). Needs to happen with singles. I doubt we see them even consider it though, so enjoy.

Dougie
10-12-2011, 08:35 PM
You do realize that American football lasts longer than soccer, and many people in the US watch about 10 hours of it every Sunday. The sport is also much more complicated than soccer.

When a sport loses the interest of the masses, it dies. Sometimes changes are necessary to keep interest. Look at what cricket is trying to do.

Doubles hasnt been interesting to the wider audience for over 20 years now, itīs always been inferior to singles. So itīs not like these changes will suddenly make it interesting. Itīs just making doubles a joke. Every close match is like a lottery nowadays.

The idea of shortening matches, creating more important points, and reducing the number of redundant, boring points in a match sounds like a great idea to me. It'd be more of an advantage to shotmaking and less of one for players who try to grind their opponent down(which is boring as hell anyway). Needs to happen with singles. I doubt we see them even consider it though, so enjoy.

I wouldnīt call a normal-length third set meaningless. If 4 players are battling a close match, they deserve the chance to decide it in a proper way. Anything can happen in a tie-break, luck plays such a big part, its such a shame that every close match will be decided like this now. As for no-ad points, I just dont see the point. Why change a point-system thatsīs been around for ages? Also, doubles is a fast-paced game, points are short anyway. Much bigger problem are singles players who waste so much time between points.

Pirata.
10-13-2011, 03:00 AM
You do realize that American football lasts longer than soccer, and many people in the US watch about 10 hours of it every Sunday. The sport is also much more complicated than soccer.

Debatable.

Topspindoctor
10-13-2011, 03:28 AM
Debatable.

No, no, eating fast food and drinking beer during the commercial breaks is what makes American Football a complex sport.

scoobs
10-13-2011, 06:20 PM
I actually think the way doubles is played these days on the mens side is often quite dull. The Bryans are a great time but they're not the most fun to watch at all - big serve, return, often poached at the net. The real fun of double is the rat-a-tat at the net or the mad scrambling when all four players get involved and use all the court. It's just less visually appealing these days, and that's when you even do get to watch it. I can't remember the last mens doubles match I would consider a true classic.