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Amy Winehouse dead.

Xristos
07-23-2011, 04:34 PM
Sad news.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Amy-Winehouse-Found-Dead-At-Home-In-Camden-London-Say-Sky-Sources/Article/201107416036201?lpos=Showbiz_News_First_Media_Arti cle_Teaser_Region__0&lid=ARTICLE_16036201_Amy_Winehouse_Found_Dead_At_H ome_In_Camden%2C_London%2C_Say_Sky_Sources

JolánGagó
07-23-2011, 04:34 PM
Dunno more, just saw the newsflash...

JolánGagó
07-23-2011, 04:35 PM
source SkyNews, apparently.

Action Jackson
07-23-2011, 04:37 PM
Sad to say it's not surprising.

JolánGagó
07-23-2011, 04:40 PM
Not surprising at all, but I didn't expect it so soon.

Very sad but common story. Her talent was uncommon though.

RIP girl.

Manon
07-23-2011, 04:43 PM
Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Found-dead-London-flat.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

Jelena
07-23-2011, 04:48 PM
And her last concert was drunk in Belgrade. Another example what drugs can do.

Gagsquet
07-23-2011, 04:49 PM
Wow, horrible..

l_mac
07-23-2011, 04:59 PM
What a waste.

Sofonda Cox
07-23-2011, 05:28 PM
I'm really upset by this :sad:

RIP Amy :hug: :sobbing:

alfonsojose
07-23-2011, 05:28 PM
Sad to say it's not surprising.

Exactly :(

Alex999
07-23-2011, 05:28 PM
I love her voice.

Arkulari
07-23-2011, 05:41 PM
Dead at 27 like Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Cobain...
Sadly it was just a matter of time, she was way too screwed up.

Clay Death
07-23-2011, 05:52 PM
tragic.

Filo V.
07-23-2011, 05:55 PM
Well, she's not suffering anymore. It's more unfortunate than anything else that it ended like this. More than anything else, I feel sorry for her.

I loved her music. Best wishes to her family and fans.

Alex999
07-23-2011, 05:56 PM
Do Not Judge Her! God is there to do that. She IS an amazing singer.

Orka_n
07-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Just Horrible. :sad: Rest in peace, Amy.

Black Adam
07-23-2011, 06:21 PM
Sorry but it's been a long time coming. No one can live much longer with that self-destructive lifestyle.

Hope people learn lessons from this, drugs and booze is bad.

P.S. Watch our media focuss on this rather than the real Trag.edy in Norway

Black Adam
07-23-2011, 06:31 PM
I thought News International was being investigated for hacking and poor ethics?

Amy's family didn't even get a chance to hear the news from the Cops, they saw it on Sky News :(

BigJohn
07-23-2011, 07:15 PM
Very sad. Her 2 albums are exceptionally good.

Sunset of Age
07-23-2011, 08:36 PM
She was an amazing singer, a genuine Lady of Soul. R.I.P.
Too bad her disease (yes folks, susceptibility to addiction is a mental DISEASE, so don't judge so easily on her lifestyle!) got her stuck in its nasty tentacles.

I regret never to have heard her sing live, even if it may well have been an embarrassing experience.

Shirogane
07-23-2011, 08:41 PM
Thanks for the music Amy. :sad:

fast_clay
07-23-2011, 08:43 PM
yeah... she aged pretty hard in a year after that success... pumping dirty cash up the vein... teeth falling out and stuff...

reminds me of a fave alternative singer from the 90's layne staley, no teeth all gums, rotting away in his own faeces by the end... very similar distinctive singing style too despite the diff genres...

BigJohn
07-23-2011, 09:18 PM
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She was something special.

Sauletekis
07-23-2011, 09:23 PM
Very Sad news, but only delusional people didn't expect this to happen (sooner or later). We don't know yet the official reasons of death, but she is been killing herself in this last years, so I don't think it's too important to wait for the autopsy, when we already know the reason. She was a great singer with good songs. Sad day for music, she died at the age of legends death (27), but allthough she was great, she is not in the league of Morrison, Janis, Jimmy and Kurt. Still, a big loss for the music. Hope her fans learn with Amy's mistakes and don't do them. RIP Amy!

Manon
07-23-2011, 10:54 PM
I regret never to have heard her sing live, even if it may well have been an embarrassing experience.

I've tried to, she appeared, tried and failed. Such a shame, she was one of a kind soul/blues singer. Velvet voice.

Timariot
07-24-2011, 12:52 AM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

jayjay
07-24-2011, 01:14 AM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

What he/she said.

Delete that, mods?

Getta
07-24-2011, 01:26 AM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

you got the huge, but grasping the tiny is tougher to understand and requires more discipline.

star
07-24-2011, 03:05 AM
I've tried to, she appeared, tried and failed. Such a shame, she was one of a kind soul/blues singer. Velvet voice.

Fabulous talent, but we've all seen this coming for several years. It's really too bad.

the biscuit
07-24-2011, 05:57 AM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

Luckily there are moral knights like you around to tell us who we should and shouldn't mourn for.

Kat_YYZ
07-24-2011, 07:42 AM
yeah... she aged pretty hard in a year after that success... pumping dirty cash up the vein... teeth falling out and stuff...

reminds me of a fave alternative singer from the 90's layne staley, no teeth all gums, rotting away in his own faeces by the end... very similar distinctive singing style too despite the diff genres...
yes, his last year and how they found him, a very sad story indeed. I saw Alice in Chains twice in the 90s.

I've tried to, she appeared, tried and failed. Such a shame, she was one of a kind soul/blues singer. Velvet voice.
were you at the recent Belgrade concert?

OddJob
07-24-2011, 07:50 AM
Shocked and so sad for her friends and family.

partygirl
07-24-2011, 08:04 AM
She was something special.

The 27 club is fucking eerie...i felt the same way about Kurt Cobain. You could look in his eyes and see he was not meant for this world.

I woke up this Saturday morning to log into my yahoo email as i do daily and saw a picture of her in a body bag on a stretcher being wheeled into a ambulance...

i feel a lot of momentary grief since that moment today, but i hope it's only because there is that much (however big or small) a void of pain in the world.
...maybe that is co-dependent thinking but this is all i can hear; a pure voice with a question:
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...yes.

JolánGagó
07-24-2011, 09:53 AM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

Fuck off back to the hole you came out of.

Manon
07-24-2011, 09:55 AM
were you at the recent Belgrade concert?

I've been there. Tragic, sad, funny....She couldn't sing the very first song.

Moby saved the day. From my good friend blog:

'A cynical person would probably say that Amy Winehouse was simply a disaster waiting to happen to our enthusiastic crowd, the whole set-up was calling for an unusual, badly-done performance through which she coupld pass out, get booed or break a bone. At the same time, it appears that nobody was paying attention to the multitalent that is Moby, scheduled to perform the same night, as well as three bands that are ex-Yugoslavia's own - Zemlja gruva (The Land of Groove), Elemental and Bei the Fish. All the eyes were on, as one of Zemlja gruva's singers said, "the queen".'

Timariot
07-24-2011, 10:20 AM
Luckily there are moral knights like you around to tell us who we should and shouldn't mourn for.

Really, this was a woman who made it big, had it all and blew it off in a binge of self-desctructiveness. When contrasted with dozens of innocent kids gunned down, it just doesn't come across as that tragic.

jmjhb
07-24-2011, 10:53 AM
Good marketing decision. She will be even more popular in death than she was in life.

Considering she had many opportunities to sort herself out, it's more her family I'm sorry for.

buddyholly
07-24-2011, 11:34 AM
Luckily there are moral knights like you around to tell us who we should and shouldn't mourn for.

Actually, in the post you were so quick to criticise, Timariot made it clear he/she was speaking solely for Timariot. Maybe you misread it.

the biscuit
07-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Actually, in the post you were so quick to criticise, Timariot made it clear he/she was speaking solely for Timariot. Maybe you misread it.


Right, I see, so what you are saying is that s/he isn't like the others all accross the internet who come into a thread about her death pointing out Oslo is a far worse tragedy (not denying it is btw).

I forgot MTF is full of special snowflakes. :worship:

Sofonda Cox
07-24-2011, 12:16 PM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

Crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under, nasty prick.

Sofonda Cox
07-24-2011, 12:18 PM
iVaqQe3V498

She was something special.

Fuck me Pumps was one of my favourites :sad:

Johnny Groove
07-24-2011, 12:19 PM
Tragic.

Everything that needs to be said here have already been said (along with a few other things that are better left unsaid, but hey, this is MTF).

icedevil0289
07-24-2011, 03:38 PM
She was an amazing singer, a genuine Lady of Soul. R.I.P.
Too bad her disease (yes folks, susceptibility to addiction is a mental DISEASE, so don't judge so easily on her lifestyle!) got her stuck in its nasty tentacles.

I regret never to have heard her sing live, even if it may well have been an embarrassing experience.

well said. I didn't know her and was not a fan, but I feel pity more than omg well she deserved it, or something like that.

then again I get annoyed when people talk that same way about suicide.

icedevil0289
07-24-2011, 03:39 PM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.


it is possible to care about both you know.

Yup
07-24-2011, 09:36 PM
Well dang. Contrasted to recent events of scores of innocent people dying in horrible fashion, my sympathy for a celebrity death ranges somewhere between zero and zero.

Why did you even have to go down that route?

More people die every day in Somalia and various other countries in Africa. People in Iraq and other troubled countries are bombed and killed almost on a daily basis. They are as much as innocent as those massacred in Norway. Why do I not see you give a damn about them? Is it because it's European country? Or perhaps it's become daily news to hear of bombed trucks there-- "oh it's nothing, just the norm."?

If your post implies that the higher the number of deaths the more significant they are, then you are really contradicting yourself here.

Some people will be more sad for the loss of Winehouse because as a singer, she's more close to them through her music, than 100 strangers wounded/dead.

There's nothing wrong in mourning the death of Amy Winehouse along with the victims of Norway.

Learn to deal. Good day. :)

Sonja1989
07-24-2011, 09:40 PM
RIP :sad:

Black Adam
07-24-2011, 10:38 PM
well said. I didn't know her and was not a fan, but I feel pity more than omg well she deserved it, or something like that.

then again I get annoyed when people talk that same way about suicide.
suicide is the most selfish thing one can do. run away and leave a mess for others to clear.

club 27....started as a coincidence and now people want immortality by joining it. attention seeker: lady gaga next entrant?

Sunset of Age
07-24-2011, 11:46 PM
suicide is the most selfish thing one can do. run away and leave a mess for others to clear.

If you'd like to keep on believing that, I truly hope you'll never ever get to deal with a friend of yours suffering a genuine depression.
Blessed are the ignorant. Indeed. :wavey:

Cloudygirl
07-25-2011, 12:11 AM
If you'd like to keep on believing that, I truly hope you'll never ever get to deal with a friend of yours suffering a genuine depression.
Blessed are the ignorant. Indeed. :wavey:

couldn't agree with this more.

buddyholly
07-25-2011, 12:38 AM
suicide is the most selfish thing one can do. run away and leave a mess for others to clear.



Is it any more messy than dying?

Pirata.
07-25-2011, 01:15 AM
it is possible to care about both you know.

Or care about one but not the other? :shrug:

Garson007
07-25-2011, 06:26 AM
suicide is the most selfish thing one can do. run away and leave a mess for others to clear.
:yeah: Nobody, I mean nobody, should take their own life.

Mimi
07-25-2011, 06:29 AM
:yeah: Nobody, I mean nobody, should take their own life.

Its difficult to tell, how about those who suffered for ages with illness, lived with pain every day and those who can only lie on bed and do nothing, how can we blame them? The reason they chose to kill themselves may not be wanting to leave mess for others, but quite the opposite, they don't want to be burdens for others:wavey:

star
07-25-2011, 06:39 AM
Its difficult to tell, how about those who suffered for ages with illness, lived with pain every day and those who can only lie on bed and do nothing, how can we blame them? The reason they chose to kill themselves may not be wanting to leave mess for others, but quite the opposite, they don't want to be burdens for others:wavey:


:hug: Mimi. You are a compassionate person.

Spend some time talking to people who have had suicide attempts that were foiled by the merest chance, and you may get some understanding about the pain that drove them to the desperate act.

Also why shouldn't elderly people and those who suffer from terminal disease get to decide when they want to die and die humanely and with dignity rather than suffering with bedsores and endless indignity and terrible pain?

cezero
07-25-2011, 07:06 AM
Its difficult to tell, how about those who suffered for ages with illness, lived with pain every day and those who can only lie on bed and do nothing, how can we blame them? The reason they chose to kill themselves may not be wanting to leave mess for others, but quite the opposite, they don't want to be burdens for others:wavey:

Ignorant people automatically assume that physical pain is worse than mental pain. You sound like a dilettante talking about this.

I truly hope, Mimi, that you never understand just how much mental pain somebody has to be in to truly consider taking his or her own life. I wouldn't wish that kind of existence on anybody any more than I would wish terminal physical illness on anybody.

cezero
07-25-2011, 07:10 AM
suicide is the most selfish thing one can do. run away and leave a mess for others to clear.



you have no clue what you're talking about.

i really pity you.

Mimi
07-25-2011, 08:29 AM
Ignorant people automatically assume that physical pain is worse than mental pain. You sound like a dilettante talking about this.

I truly hope, Mimi, that you never understand just how much mental pain somebody has to be in to truly consider taking his or her own life. I wouldn't wish that kind of existence on anybody any more than I would wish terminal physical illness on anybody.

i think you got me wrong, i mentioned about people having physical pain cannot be blamed for wanting to kill themselves, that does not mean I think physical pain is worst than mental pain, and that people with mental pain cannot be forgiven for wanting to kill themselves:wavey:

Mimi
07-25-2011, 08:30 AM
:hug: Mimi. You are a compassionate person.

Spend some time talking to people who have had suicide attempts that were foiled by the merest chance, and you may get some understanding about the pain that drove them to the desperate act.

Also why shouldn't elderly people and those who suffer from terminal disease get to decide when they want to die and die humanely and with dignity rather than suffering with bedsores and endless indignity and terrible pain?

I agreed with you, i also wanted to die with dignity and not on conditions that i cannot even go to toilets or take a shower :wavey:

Harmless
07-25-2011, 08:47 AM
I really don't think that the concept of suicide should be there for people to judge, you can have your own opinion of it, but you can't talk for someone else or their actions unless you can directly influence it in some way.


I still find it hard to believe about Amy, I never stopped having hope for her. :sad: Such a brilliant singer, made me have faith in modern music again. I was just listening to BtB two weeks ago and wondering what the third album will be like.
One of her best live performances ever:
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She was such a beautiful girl, too. RIP. :sad:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cJDFe9I83Ug/Tisw7uzwPvI/AAAAAAAAKOQ/1eAzJj0N-L0/s640/young_amy_winehouse.jpg

Mimi
07-25-2011, 08:56 AM
i am not very into music, i wonder whether why Amy, who was so famous, only had 2 albums? it seems that the famous singers in HK at least released 1 album per year, its not the same for Western singers?

Black Adam
07-25-2011, 10:39 AM
Is it any more messy than dying?

3 times in 4 months i have had to make alternative plans for journey home because some people think the Central line is a swell place to end their lives.

If one is going to kill themselves do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience the public and traumatize the public. Hell even Hitler had the decency to sort out his own burial plans.

Euthanasia should be allowed for the long term suffering.

Depression is a sickness?

There's a reason why suicides don't go to heaven, you just don't check out when things get tough.

Manon
07-25-2011, 10:53 AM
Depression is a sickness?



Yes, it's a clinical illness.

'Depression is a medical illness that involves the mind and body. Also called major depression, major depressive disorder and clinical depression, it affects how you feel, think and behave. Depression can lead to a variety of emotional and physical problems. You may have trouble doing normal day-to-day activities, and depression may make you feel as if life isn't worth living.

More than just a bout of the blues, depression isn't a weakness, nor is it something that you can simply "snap out" of. Depression is a chronic illness that usually requires long-term treatment, like diabetes or high blood pressure. But don't get discouraged. Most people with depression feel better with medication, psychological counseling or other treatment.
Depression (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/depression/DS00175)

Also:

http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/depression.htm

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'Depression is more than just a low mood - it's a serious illness. While we all feel sad, moody or low from time to time, some people experience these feelings intensely, for long periods of time and often without reason. People with depression find it hard to function every day and may be reluctant to participate in activities they once enjoyed.

Depression is one of the most common of all mental health problems. One in five people experience depression at some stage of their lives.'

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?link_id=89

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It seems ignorance is an ultimate blessing.

Dougie
07-25-2011, 10:53 AM
3 times in 4 months i have had to make alternative plans for journey home because some people think the Central line is a swell place to end their lives.

If one is going to kill themselves do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience the public and traumatize the public. Hell even Hitler had the decency to sort out his own burial plans.

Euthanasia should be allowed for the long term suffering.

Depression is a sickness?

There's a reason why suicides don't go to heaven, you just don't check out when things get tough.

Yes. Real depression is a sickness, and those who have not experienced it, can´t even begin to understand what goes through someones mind when he/she is genuinely depressed. Just to be clear, I have never suffered from depression myself, but depression is lot more than "things getting tough". As for going to heaven, how do you know who ( if anyone) goes there and who doesn´t? Come on...

Mimi
07-25-2011, 10:58 AM
I think god will show his mercy and won't punish those who really can't support any more by killing themselves, to say that, i don't mean those who killed themselves with minor things like your boss/mum/lovers scolded you or your lover dumped you or you didn't have monie to buy a i-phone ..... just like he will not put homosexuals into hell as he should have known that many of them are born to be liked that. If someone has to be blamed, gold also has to be blamed coz he created them

bokehlicious
07-25-2011, 11:03 AM
Wow, this tread is getting far from its original topic... TGS, do rapists go to heaven? :scratch: :o

Harmless
07-25-2011, 11:56 AM
3 times in 4 months i have had to make alternative plans for journey home because some people think the Central line is a swell place to end their lives.

If one is going to kill themselves do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience the public and traumatize the public. Hell even Hitler had the decency to sort out his own burial plans.

Euthanasia should be allowed for the long term suffering.

Depression is a sickness?

There's a reason why suicides don't go to heaven, you just don't check out when things get tough.
A medically recognized illness, yes.
Not even going to try to do anything with the last sentence though. :facepalm:

Black Adam
07-25-2011, 12:38 PM
Yes. Real depression is a sickness, and those who have not experienced it, can´t even begin to understand what goes through someones mind when he/she is genuinely depressed. Just to be clear, I have never suffered from depression myself, but depression is lot more than "things getting tough". As for going to heaven, how do you know who ( if anyone) goes there and who doesn´t? Come on...
Honestly didn't know that about depression. Thanks for the Info (Manon).

As for the Heaven bit, that's what I was taught at Sunday School. It's the sin of Murder nonetheless.When I was younger a terminally ill aunt of mine threw herself down a well and my teacher told that sadly she wouldn't be going to heaven. Which sucks because she was already near the end anyways.

Wow, this tread is getting far from its original topic... TGS, do rapists go to heaven? :scratch: :o
You sure won't find any up there, but what do i know? how would i know?:o


Saw a mourner say the following on National TV:
It's a shame more oculdn't be done to help her you know, we knew she had problems but I just wish there was more we could have done to help.
I wonder if the same sentiment is also for all those poor unknowns who die from drug abuse. To be honest, Celebs don't help the situation by doing drugs because they are not advertising how bad it is, instead people see drugs as a cool thing celebs do.

star
07-25-2011, 02:17 PM
I agreed with you, i also wanted to die with dignity and not on conditions that i cannot even go to toilets or take a shower :wavey:

Yes, I know you did. :hug: You aren't someone who would ever criticize a suffering person.

I should have made it clearer that I was responding to those who were saying there was never an excuse for suicide.

Yes, it's a clinical illness.

'Depression is a medical illness that involves the mind and body. Also called major depression, major depressive disorder and clinical depression, it affects how you feel, think and behave. Depression can lead to a variety of emotional and physical problems. You may have trouble doing normal day-to-day activities, and depression may make you feel as if life isn't worth living.

More than just a bout of the blues, depression isn't a weakness, nor is it something that you can simply "snap out" of. Depression is a chronic illness that usually requires long-term treatment, like diabetes or high blood pressure. But don't get discouraged. Most people with depression feel better with medication, psychological counseling or other treatment.
Depression (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/depression/DS00175)

Also:

http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/depression.htm

+

'Depression is more than just a low mood - it's a serious illness. While we all feel sad, moody or low from time to time, some people experience these feelings intensely, for long periods of time and often without reason. People with depression find it hard to function every day and may be reluctant to participate in activities they once enjoyed.

Depression is one of the most common of all mental health problems. One in five people experience depression at some stage of their lives.'

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?link_id=89

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It seems ignorance is an ultimate blessing.

:hatoff: for posting that, Manon.

Honestly didn't know that about depression. Thanks for the Info (Manon).

As for the Heaven bit, that's what I was taught at Sunday School. It's the sin of Murder nonetheless.When I was younger a terminally ill aunt of mine threw herself down a well and my teacher told that sadly she wouldn't be going to heaven. Which sucks because she was already near the end anyways.

That was a terrible thing for a boy to hear. Even people who are religious are sometimes not very kind.



I wonder if the same sentiment is also for all those poor unknowns who die from drug abuse. To be honest, Celebs don't help the situation by doing drugs because they are not advertising how bad it is, instead people see drugs as a cool thing celebs do.

No one helps anything by doing drugs or getting drunk. I guess it's part of the human condition, and addiction is a dreadful thing. I'm just happy I've escaped being addicted to anything more than cigarettes, and thank goodness that's behind me now.

cezero
07-25-2011, 06:53 PM
i think you got me wrong, i mentioned about people having physical pain cannot be blamed for wanting to kill themselves, that does not mean I think physical pain is worst than mental pain, and that people with mental pain cannot be forgiven for wanting to kill themselves:wavey:

no, i "got" you just right.

you have a wonderful life.

Pirata.
07-25-2011, 07:01 PM
I wonder if the same sentiment is also for all those poor unknowns who die from drug abuse. To be honest, Celebs don't help the situation by doing drugs because they are not advertising how bad it is, instead people see drugs as a cool thing celebs do.

I agree with this statement: it's odd to hear all these celebrities crying and releasing statements about how much they miss her and feeling sad over her death, when I'm sure most of them didn't give a shit about her addictions when she was alive. I know many people refuse to go and get themselves help, and you really can't force someone into it, but I think it's better to show sympathy with doing everything you can to help her when she was alive during her tough times rather than only seeming to care now that's she's gone. Lindsay Lohan is going through similar issues, and it seems like most people find her situation funny or sad, but no one seems to reach out a hand to help her.

Of course I don't know what went on behind the scenes or anything, so just giving my two cents. Such a shame that such a young, talented person was lost at so young an age. RIP Amy.

tangerine_dream
07-25-2011, 08:52 PM
They tried to make her go to rehab but she said No, no, no. RIP Amy.

buddyholly
07-25-2011, 09:58 PM
As for the Heaven bit, that's what I was taught at Sunday School. It's the sin of Murder nonetheless.When I was younger a terminally ill aunt of mine threw herself down a well and my teacher told that sadly she wouldn't be going to heaven. Which sucks because she was already near the end anyways.




Well, now that you are more grown up why haven't you rejected all the crap you were taught at Sunday School?

If anyone is not going to heaven, it is the teacher.

buddyholly
07-25-2011, 10:00 PM
They tried to make her go to rehab but she said No, no, no. RIP Amy.

Well, she was certainly upfront about where she was headed. I wonder what other messages are in her songs.

Sunset of Age
07-25-2011, 10:42 PM
Well, she was certainly upfront about where she was headed. I wonder what other messages are in her songs.

I think she bloody well realized where she was heading, indeed... :sad:
Listening to her music right now. Damn, what a voice. Damn, what a WASTE!

fast_clay
07-25-2011, 10:44 PM
yeah... she aged pretty hard in a year after that success... pumping dirty cash up the vein... teeth falling out and stuff...

reminds me of a fave alternative singer from the 90's layne staley, no teeth all gums, rotting away in his own faeces by the end... very similar distinctive singing style too despite the diff genres...

yes, his last year and how they found him, a very sad story indeed. I saw Alice in Chains twice in the 90s.


you're lucky to have seen him live... twice too... very lucky...

strangely enough it's not an alice in chains song that shows that similarly distinctive voice best... the song below 'Wake Up' from his side project probably best illustrates (Mad Season, a grunge supergroup formed from collective time spent in rehab together - Mike McCready from pearl jam on guitars.)

probably the last time his voice was recorded in really, really strong form before the smack came on strong ravaged his entire body...

something about the channelled pain in junkies...

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star
07-25-2011, 10:57 PM
They tried to make her go to rehab but she said No, no, no. RIP Amy.


She did go to rehab -- not successfully, but she went.

Sunset of Age
07-25-2011, 11:31 PM
you're lucky to have seen him live... twice too... very lucky...

strangely enough it's not an alice in chains song that shows that similarly distinctive voice best... the song below 'Wake Up' from his side project probably best illustrates (Mad Season, a grunge supergroup formed from collective time spent in rehab together - Mike McCready from pearl jam on guitars.)

probably the last time his voice was recorded in really, really strong form before the smack came on strong ravaged his entire body...

something about the channelled pain in junkies...

Layne Staley was an amazing singer, indeed. :worship:
I saw him three times with AIC.

Whats this with junkies having such fantastic voices? :(
Or rather, perhaps it's the PAIN they feel that makes them able to convey their emotions so well... damn, again. :sad:

Mimi
07-26-2011, 01:39 AM
no, i "got" you just right.

you have a wonderful life.

I am not, you hardly know me. You are really strange, I am not the one who said those killing themselves are irresponsible and people should not take their own lives nor do I said people having mental problem only have themselves to blame and in fact I am sympathetic with them (I was very close to an internet friend who suffered long for this illness and felt very sad for him).

I see no reason you said I am a diletante.

Ilovetheblues_86
07-26-2011, 02:01 AM
i am not very into music, i wonder whether why Amy, who was so famous, only had 2 albums? it seems that the famous singers in HK at least released 1 album per year, its not the same for Western singers?

" crap" and more disposable music like Rihanna, Britney Spears are selling artists- their music must reach the stores every 500-720 days- which is the time for a cd release then touring all around the world.
Amy Winehouse however was a jazzy artist with problems with drinks and motivation- she wasnt someone that you could trust that was going to work hard -she was an improductive artist- this delays albums, touring and even her productivity as an artist.
Also there was her image of tough artist that made her famous -Amy was the polemical artist- releasing too much albums would only " banalize" her work.

Mimi
07-26-2011, 02:31 AM
" crap" and more disposable music like Rihanna, Britney Spears are selling artists- their music must reach the stores every 500-720 days- which is the time for a cd release then touring all around the world.
Amy Winehouse however was a jazzy artist with problems with drinks and motivation- she wasnt someone that you could trust that was going to work hard -she was an improductive artist- this delays albums, touring and even her productivity as an artist.
Also there was her image of tough artist that made her famous -Amy was the polemical artist- releasing too much albums would only " banalize" her work.

thanks for your explanation. Then I guess monies was not the main concern for her and she was a perfectionist, otherwise she would release more albums to make more monies :wavey:

Ilovetheblues_86
07-26-2011, 03:18 AM
thanks for your explanation. Then I guess monies was not the main concern for her and she was a perfectionist, otherwise she would release more albums to make more monies :wavey:

Well, probably money wasnt a huge concern until she was living a satisfactory life, about being a perfectionist...its probably true...anyway they say she had material for three albums..? I dunno

Mimi
07-26-2011, 03:57 AM
Well, probably money wasnt a huge concern until she was living a satisfactory life, about being a perfectionist...its probably true...anyway they say she had material for three albums..? I dunno

I guess fame was not her main goal too, coz I think if you don't produce new albums frequently, fans may forget you :wavey:

Sunset of Age
07-26-2011, 01:07 PM
I guess fame was not her main goal too, coz I think if you don't produce new albums frequently, fans may forget you :wavey:

The fans of 'plastic' artists like Britney Spears and all of those other perfect-looking dolls tend to be young teenagers, who indeed tend to forget about their 'idol' as soon it remains silent among that idol for a little while, be it no new CDs, or no more 'news' in the press about her. After all, a 'new' Britney comes along every three years or so... the music industry takes care of that, not seldom dropping the former 'idol' as if (s)he was garbage right from the start. :rolleyes:

REAL music fans tend to follow their beloved artists for a much longer time, and don't care as much as how long their fav takes to record a new album or come touring again. As long as it's quality their favs come up with, it's all good.
Amy Winehouse's two CDs are top-notch stuff, and it's no surprise she had long-time fans of all ages and of a lot of different musical preferences.

star
07-26-2011, 04:09 PM
I guess fame was not her main goal too, coz I think if you don't produce new albums frequently, fans may forget you :wavey:

I think the main problem with her productivity was her addiction. It's difficult to produce anything if you are high on heroin.

Also, I think it's hard on an artist to have such a blockbuster album that is a critical as well as popular success. The pressure to back it up or to do as well or meet expectations can be crippling.

shotgun
07-27-2011, 12:45 AM
you're lucky to have seen him live... twice too... very lucky...

strangely enough it's not an alice in chains song that shows that similarly distinctive voice best... the song below 'Wake Up' from his side project probably best illustrates (Mad Season, a grunge supergroup formed from collective time spent in rehab together - Mike McCready from pearl jam on guitars.)

probably the last time his voice was recorded in really, really strong form before the smack came on strong ravaged his entire body...

something about the channelled pain in junkies...

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Funny you mention this song, it's probably the most autobiographical that Staley ever wrote about his struggle with heroin addiction.

His death was certainly more slow and painful than Winehouse's though (and most of the other rock stars that succumbed to drug addiction), at least according to the reports at the time.

Mimi
07-29-2011, 04:03 AM
sorry if this had been posted. I found it in tennisforum. It shows the kind and tender side of Amy. It looks like fame had hurt her and brought her too much pressure :tears:


Originally Posted by Infiniti2001
I found this in the local paper from my island..

Local Restaurateur: In St Lucia ‘Amy was free’

A happy looking Amy Winehouse cozies up to Majorie Lambert at the beach restaurant at Cas En Bas. Lambert says Amy had planned to return to Saint Lucia

Majorie Lambert has been getting calls from all over the world.
“People magazine and Rolling Stone called me,” she said.
“Are they a big deal?” she asked as we began to talk about her close relationship with British singer Amy Winehouse.
The Grammy-award winning Winehouse, 27, was found dead in her north London home on Saturday. In 2008 and 2009, Amy, who has had a long battle with drugs and alcohol, had enjoyed an extended vacation in St Lucia and was even featured at the May 2009 St Lucia Jazz Festival.
Lambert, the owner of a beach restaurant next to the Cotton Bay hotel where Amy stayed on her last trip says she never really saw Winehouse as a superstar.
“When she first started coming to my place on Cas en Bas beach I didn’t even know who she was,” Lambert said. “Someone later told me she was the big singer Amy Winehouse. She stayed at Cotton Bay but she always came here. After a while she started to call me ‘mumma.’ She seemed to fall in love with me and from then on we had been close. She would bring people over to my place, sometimes 20 people and buy lunch for all of them. Her friends and family always used to come with her. Amy’s heart was for everybody. Amy would come here and see children around and buy food for all of them. She would even buy food for the stray dogs that roamed the beach.”
Lambert—who the UK press have dubbed Amy’s ‘Caribbean mum’—says Winehouse’s kindness even extended to helping people with medical bills. She recalls that the singer donated $6000 to a man who needed an operation.“She brought so much joy into people’s lives,” said Lambert, adding that it was hard for her to believe that Winehouse was dead. She recalled that the last time she had seen Amy was in November 2010 after the island was ravaged by Hurricane Tomas.
“She was on her way to Brazil but she stopped in St Lucia for one week,” said Lambert. “She said she came to see what happened to the island she loved and she came to see if I was okay.”
Lambert explained that she believes Amy Winehouse would have liked to live in St Lucia on a permanent basis.
“Oh, yes she wanted to stay here,” Lambert assured me. “When she had to go back to the UK to go to court for her divorce case she told me she was scared. She didn’t want to face it all. I remember the day she was leaving everyone was all packed and she told me she didn’t want to go. She wanted me to hide her somewhere. But she had to go. I brought her back to the hotel. She told me she would be back in St Lucia soon, but she did not make it . . . She was supposed to come back for a long time.”
Majorie says part of the reason Winehouse fell in love with this small island was because she was at peace here.
“She got love when she was here. Amy was so free in St Lucia. You know it’s like finding your family for the first time. This is the only way I can put it,” Lambert said. “When Amy was here she does not need bodyguards, but in England she is surrounded by people who are just trying to get old news about her. Being in England for her was like being in jail. In St Lucia, she was free, happy, kissing and hugging everyone. She was only 25 years old when I met her, but she was even more like a little child. She was like someone who wanted love. She would lie on my shoulder. I would talk to her and try to make her understand life. She loved the children on the beach and played with them, it made her feel good. I think she liked that I was strong and stern with her but also warm.”
As for her drug and alcohol woes Majorie says: “To be honest I have never seen Amy taking drugs, or seen anyone selling drugs for Amy. I will not say she was not drinking . . . but she used to listen to me. I used to tell her she is not drinking any alcohol; that she has to eat and she would listen to me and say, ‘Mumma you see I eat all your good food.’ Sometimes she even asked for more food. At times I would give her a Lucozade or Red Bull for her to get some energy. But no rum before she eats.”
Then the tough question: Do you think Amy Winehouse would have been alive today if she had stayed in St Lucia?
Lambert did not hesitate as she answered: “Most definitely she would have been alive. And her family will realize that too. When Amy left here the last time she was a different person. She looked so much better, healthier, she even began to pose for pictures. Before she used to run away from pictures. She was so comfortable here.”
Lambert is known in St Lucia for being very kind and has adopted children on the island in the past.
“I love people and I used to lay on my bed and wish that they would just leave Amy here with me,” she reflected. “Give her to me so I can make her take care of herself and take care of her. The reason why I loved Amy was because I saw her as a little child that needed help.”
Lambert says that she knows people will question her relationship with the famous singer who brought so much attention to her beach bar.
“I am a simple person,” she admitted. “Our relationship started because she began to love me and she told me that I made her understand life. I used to tell her that she is beautiful and that she should not listen to what people are saying. Amy came here to get better and be happy in St Lucia.”
Lambert admits she was not happy when Winehouse was approached to perform at the St Lucia Jazz Festival in 2009.
“This is the kind of thing Amy wanted to stay away from. They kept pushing and pushing. Amy needed a long break from that world to let her take care of herself. I think she was never given time to recover.”
Lambert suggested that there was no control over Amy’s drinking at her St Lucia Jazz performance hence why it went so badly. At the show Amy was seen drinking something dark from a glass while onstage.
Said Lambert: “Amy had the most expensive drinks available to her. So when you put it in front of her what you expect her to do? Drink it of course. It’s a sickness.”
But despite it all Lambert says she hopes that the singer is now at peace.
“She was a good hearted person,” said Lambert. “It’s when you die people appreciate you. When you are alive it’s only bad things you hear. I hope right now people think different about her. She was going to come down to help the children in need in St Lucia. I know she was going to . . .”
Meanwhile Saint Lucia’s Minister of Tourism and Civil Aviation Senator Allen Chastanet released a statement on the death of Amy Winehouse. Chastanet had been at the forefront of getting Winehouse to perform at St Lucia Jazz. Read the statement: “We have lost a good friend and the world has lost a great talent.”
Recalling the popular singer’s generosity towards local residents, Minister Chastanet said, “We were fortunate to see another side of Amy, and will be forever grateful for the acts of kindness and compassion she extended to less fortunate Saint Lucians during her visits with us.”
Amy Winehouse’s funeral was held yesterday. The cause of her death is still unknown.