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Rijeka Challenger Possible Fixing Scandal?

Keyser Soze
06-01-2011, 08:44 PM
Taken from a romanian newspaper:

Romanian bookmakers SuperBet found a tentative of fraude, after several betting tickets with the same matches were laid simoultaneosly at SuperBet agencies in Bucharest and Drobeta Turnu Severin (Romania).

The official SuperBet press release:
"Today, Advanced Betting System Inc. was the victim of a massive fraude tentative, by the fixing of some first round tennis matches from Rijeka Challenger. Here are the details:

9 first round matches were included on several tickets laid at the same time on SuperBet agencies in Bucharest and Drobeta Turnu Severin. The following matches were involved.
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All the bets had a total amount of 1000 EURO, with a total winning sum of 147.000 EURO. All the tickets involved were canceled.

SuperBet has already informed the national tennis federations and ITF about this fraude."

As expected, the ticket would have been a winning one!
Guez - Brzezicki 6-1 6-1
Volandri - Dutra da Silva 6-4 6-2 (match from Prostejov Ch.)
Brose Bamberg - Artland 83-55 (German League Basketball)
A.Balazs - Julio Silva 6-1 6-2
Millot - Vagnozzi 2-6 4-6
Patience - Pedro Sousa 3-6 4-6
Prodon - Mesaros 4-6 6-2 5-6 ret. (Prodon retired when Mesaros was 2 pts away from winning!!!)
Devilder - Junqueira 1-6 2-6
Trujillo Soler - Gensse 6-3 6-3
Di Mauro - Zemlja 4-6 0-3 ret.
Another match involved, but not found on the ticket above is Zopp - Kellner 2 @ 1.98 (2-0 ret.)

Some interesting facts:
-- all the players selected won easily in 2 sets (not even a tiebreak!!!)
-- in the matches which were going bad, the player selected to win retired (Di Mauro, Prodon and Kellner)
-- in 6 / 10 matches there was a Frenchmen involved

Luinir
06-01-2011, 08:50 PM
Koellerer's era.

Ljubo_rulz
06-01-2011, 08:57 PM
Prodon retired when Mesaros was 2 pts away from winning!!!

Absolutely disgusting. I hope he never plays ever again.

Li Ching Yuen
06-01-2011, 09:04 PM
;)

Too bad for the players, they missed out on some nice easy money.

MaxPower
06-01-2011, 09:15 PM
SuperBet has already informed the national tennis federations and ITF about this fraude."

As expected, the ticket would have been a winning one!
Guez - Brzezicki 6-1 6-1
Volandri - Dutra da Silva 6-4 6-2 (match from Prostejov Ch.)
Brose Bamberg - Artland 83-55 (German League Basketball)
A.Balazs - Julio Silva 6-1 6-2
Millot - Vagnozzi 2-6 4-6
Patience - Pedro Sousa 3-6 4-6
Prodon - Mesaros 4-6 6-2 5-6 ret. (Prodon retired when Mesaros was 2 pts away from winning!!!)
Devilder - Junqueira 1-6 2-6
Trujillo Soler - Gensse 6-3 6-3
Di Mauro - Zemlja 4-6 0-3 ret.
Another match involved, but not found on the ticket above is Zopp - Kellner 2 @ 1.98 (2-0 ret.)

Some interesting facts:
-- all the players selected won easily in 2 sets (not even a tiebreak!!!)
-- in the matches which were going bad, the player selected to win retired (Di Mauro, Prodon and Kellner)
-- in 6 / 10 matches there was a Frenchmen involved

:lol: You got to wonder if the people behind the fixing are retarded. So dead obvious fixing in this case. Especially with the retirement when it's going badly and only a few minutes left anyway.

Also makes you wonder how much fixing that really goes on. Only the most retarded idiots (like in this case) get discovered. Makes you think if the entire Challenger tour is full of fixers and maybe even some winners on the challenger tour are doing progress in many tournaments because of fixing. That means lower quality even higher up in the rankings.

They should probably consider A) removing betting on challengers or B) increase the control and/or C) maybe even "bait" players with fake fixing and if they agree and do lose/retire without being injured then ban for life

philosophicalarf
06-01-2011, 09:16 PM
About the only way to fix for real money at the challenger level.

There are a lot of known dodgepots in that bunch.

Pretty freaking dim way to go about it.

Li Ching Yuen
06-01-2011, 09:21 PM
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:lol: You got to wonder if the people behind the fixing are retarded. So dead obvious fixing in this case. Especially with the retirement when it's going badly and only a few minutes left anyway.

Also makes you wonder how much fixing that really goes on. Only the most retarded idiots (like in this case) get discovered. Makes you think if the entire Challenger tour is full of fixers and maybe even some winners on the challenger tour are doing progress in many tournaments because of fixing. That means lower quality even higher up in the rankings.

They should probably consider A) removing betting on challengers or B) increase the control and/or C) maybe even "bait" players with fake fixing and if they agree and do lose/retire without being injured then ban for life

There you go. Gotta make some sacrifices in the end.

tnosugar
06-01-2011, 09:31 PM
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:lol: You got to wonder if the people behind the fixing are retarded. So dead obvious fixing in this case. Especially with the retirement when it's going badly and only a few minutes left anyway.

Also makes you wonder how much fixing that really goes on. Only the most retarded idiots (like in this case) get discovered. Makes you think if the entire Challenger tour is full of fixers and maybe even some winners on the challenger tour are doing progress in many tournaments because of fixing. That means lower quality even higher up in the rankings.

They should probably consider A) removing betting on challengers or B) increase the control and/or C) maybe even "bait" players with fake fixing and if they agree and do lose/retire without being injured then ban for life

no use. the money chain is too long. they scapegoat the occasional player, but rest assured that everyone has a piece of the action there... when it is discovered, naturally a few koellerers are picked out and then back to business

Dougie
06-01-2011, 09:31 PM
;)

Too bad for the players, they missed out on some nice easy money.

if the matches were indeed fixed, the players probably got their money, it was the gamblers who didnīt.

Li Ching Yuen
06-01-2011, 09:35 PM
if the matches were indeed fixed, the players probably got their money, it was the gamblers who didnīt.

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that.

I think they need the deal to capitalize in order for everybody to get their share in the end.

Gagsquet
06-01-2011, 09:45 PM
Could these players be banned?

Snowwy
06-01-2011, 09:48 PM
This doesn't look good, the thing is there is no proof that all of them are involved, or really any of them, but extremely suspsious.

Dougie
06-01-2011, 09:51 PM
Hmm, I'm not so sure about that.

I think they need the deal to capitalize in order for everybody to get their share in the end.

Iīm not sure either, but Iīd imagine the players want the money before they tank it. WHatever happens after that, is the risk the gamblers need to take. At least I wouldnīt tank a match only to be told " sorry mate, I couldnīt get the bet in, so no money for you, despite the risk you took". Not that I would tank under any circumstances, obviously...;)

Dougie
06-01-2011, 09:56 PM
This doesn't look good, the thing is there is no proof that all of them are involved, or really any of them, but extremely suspsious.

The problem is that itīs not a single match, or two. So many suspicious matches means that the money the players received must be a lot, much more than they would have made even if they reached the final roudns of the tournament. If that kind of money is going around the challenger circuit, its only logical that the temptation will be too much for a lot of players. The situation is getting worse and worse, the ATP need to react, and do it quickly, or the challenger-circuit will have no credibility left soon. Banning Däni is not enough.

TankingTheSet
06-01-2011, 10:51 PM
Which other bookmakers accept bets winning EUR 150,000 on challengers? That seems like asking for trouble. I don't think even the biggest British bookies would accept such a bet even on ATP on Grand Slam matches. Edit: There were multiple tickets, but still a bit strange they didn't notice. It does strongly imply match fixing though.

Nathaliia
06-01-2011, 10:54 PM
A French poster wrote in the challenger forum Millot was being investigated in France for alleged fixing his match progress against Maxime Teixeira at RG.

I doubt being involved in Rijeka stuff would help.

ExcaliburII
06-01-2011, 10:59 PM
A French poster wrote in the challenger forum Millot was being investigated in France for alleged fixing his match progress against Maxime Teixeira at RG.

I doubt being involved in Rijeka stuff would help.

I dont think the guy would be so retarded to fix one of the biggest matches of his life. That would be just insane

ExcaliburII
06-01-2011, 11:03 PM
Which other bookmakers accept bets winning EUR 150,000 on challengers? That seems like asking for trouble. I don't think even the biggest British bookies would accept such a bet even on ATP on Grand Slam matches. Edit: There were multiple tickets, but still a bit strange they didn't notice. It does strongly imply match fixing though.

only street and local bookies.

Online bookies have very low limits for CHs, usually around 500-1000 euro as top. If you parlay you can get a bit more.

Chase Visa
06-01-2011, 11:03 PM
That tournament should be cancelled. The fixing there looks blatant.

Arkulari
06-01-2011, 11:08 PM
Story of Eastern European Challengers and Futures, seen this happening a lot in Romania/Hungary/Russia/Ukraine/etc :o

GugaF1
06-01-2011, 11:12 PM
Man, I am not a gambler but it makes sense to maximize the profits. Its no only individual players that would do it, but they do as a group, so the ticket for the whole gets paid much more, is that correct? So the gambler would basically win on a ticket with 4-5 fixed matches. But it also makes it easier to suspect like in this case.

TankingTheSet
06-01-2011, 11:17 PM
According to a post in the Challengers forum similar bets were made at other bookies in the region. So the Superbet bets are just part of it.

Henry Chinaski
06-01-2011, 11:18 PM
Which other bookmakers accept bets winning EUR 150,000 on challengers? That seems like asking for trouble. I don't think even the biggest British bookies would accept such a bet even on ATP on Grand Slam matches. Edit: There were multiple tickets, but still a bit strange they didn't notice. It does strongly imply match fixing though.

british high street bookies have maximum pay-outs.

With william hill it's up to 1m for football and horse racing but apparently it's only 50k for other sports.

doesn't matter what odds you have, you're not getting more than 50k off them for a tennis bet.

ladbrokes is 100k for "other sports"

Henry Chinaski
06-01-2011, 11:34 PM
guessing that Romanian newspaper is a pretty trashy publication with their sensationalist MAFIA headline and porno links at the bottom of the page

Nathaliia
06-01-2011, 11:36 PM
I dont think the guy would be so retarded to fix one of the biggest matches of his life. That would be just insane
Yeah but maybe the fact it was available on Betfair was giving an option? It's the first time I heard of it, if there was really big money traded on two mug match no one would normally care about, then it'd be suspicious for sure, but I didn't follow it.

His loss to Vagnozzi here is also under the watch; if I hadn't been informed I wouldn't have cared, of course he can lose to Vagnozzi, Vagnozzi is not that horrible and Millot is not such a clay god.

ExcaliburII
06-01-2011, 11:40 PM
Yeah but maybe the fact it was available on Betfair was giving an option? It's the first time I heard of it, if there was really big money traded on two mug match no one would normally care about, then it'd be suspicious for sure, but I didn't follow it.

His loss to Vagnozzi here is also under the watch; if I hadn't been informed I wouldn't have cared, of course he can lose to Vagnozzi, Vagnozzi is not that horrible and Millot is not such a clay god.

No suspicious movements, no. I really dont think he fixed that one, the match was too close and odds were always accurate.

Smoke944
06-01-2011, 11:43 PM
guessing that Romanian newspaper is a pretty trashy publication with their sensationalist MAFIA headline and porno links at the bottom of the page

Well you are absolutely right :lol:

http://www.prosport.ro/sport-life/special/mafia-pariurilor-se-extinde-vezi-cel-mai-tare-bilet-de-meciuri-trucate-care-ar-fi-adus-castiguri-de-150-000-8300363/galerie-2#picture

Doesn't look like the most credible source but maybe that's just me :p

Action Jackson
06-02-2011, 05:02 AM
Nothing will come of it.

abraxas21
06-02-2011, 05:22 AM
I dont think the guy would be so retarded to fix one of the biggest matches of his life. That would be just insane

if the money is good enough, why not? everythings got a price

but i'd be tempted to say he didn't fix that one anyway

abraxas21
06-02-2011, 05:26 AM
Nothing will come of it.

and this of course.

gaitare
06-02-2011, 06:05 AM
OK, so what is that basketball doing over there? Is it a kind of fig leaf? 1X at 1.08 doesn't look like a big risk with a home side being an overwhelming favoruite, but I sure as hell wouldn't put an event I don't have control over into a coupon if I had every other event in control.

Crowdmaker
06-02-2011, 06:20 AM
The thread name sounds really harsh!
Every day we are witnessing "strange" results.
Challenger games will not be removed from betting offers, simply because bookies are
making rather huge profits, that of course is never mentioned here.
Same event yesterday; Puc defetead Dabul!Is it possible to found out how many parlays were lost because of this? Of course not, but once somebody posts something like the poster who openened this thread, spirits get highly concerned! WTF!?
If we are talking about serious stuff, we wouldn't be talking about betting slips consisting of so many games in the first place.
I don't need to go more detailed, just a question: how many of you here have players in your avatars of signatures involving "clean" players?
Ha, ha...does it really matter?:rolleyes:
Show must go on!;)

Li Ching Yuen
06-02-2011, 06:34 AM
Well you are absolutely right :lol:

http://www.prosport.ro/sport-life/special/mafia-pariurilor-se-extinde-vezi-cel-mai-tare-bilet-de-meciuri-trucate-care-ar-fi-adus-castiguri-de-150-000-8300363/galerie-2#picture

Doesn't look like the most credible source but maybe that's just me :p

It's the second biggest sports newspaper in the country. They never cover tennis, so this is pretty credible I'd say.

The porn is a nationwide policy, it's like having toast during breakfast, a must.

cardio
06-02-2011, 08:37 AM
OK, so what is that basketball doing over there? Is it a kind of fig leaf? 1X at 1.08 doesn't look like a big risk with a home side being an overwhelming favoruite, but I sure as hell wouldn't put an event I don't have control over into a coupon if I had every other event in control.

My guess is they had to put some unfixed results into the parlay in order to be less obvious. I know if I was aware of results of 9 tennis matches before they start, I would include 7 of them into multi( not all 9 on one ticket !) , add Miami to cover hc on one ticket with one bookie and Dallas to cover hc on other ticket with other bookie and so on.If I have @140 sure odds in my hand , I can afford to lose half of my @267 stakes. Noone would suspect if NBA final game with 50/50 chances to cover handicap is involved.It would be very stupid to do all bets with same bookie. Guys who did it were morons.

gaitare
06-02-2011, 08:49 AM
My guess is they had to put some unfixed results into the parlay in order to be less obvious. I know if I was aware of results of 9 tennis matches before they start, I would include 7 of them into multi( not all 9 on one ticket !) , add Miami to cover hc on one ticket with one bookie and Dallas to cover hc on other ticket with other bookie and so on.If I have @140 sure odds in my hand , I can afford to lose half of my @267 stakes. Noone would suspect if NBA final game with 50/50 chances to cover handicap is involved.It would be very stupid to do all bets with same bookie. Guys who did it were morons.

Yeah, I see, but why did they go for an event with 1.08 odds? It's strange because you are potentially ruining your great 1,50s, 1,80s, 2,70s coupon with an 1,08. Yes, I bet rarely, but this sounds amateurish to me. Maybe they wanted for it to look like an amateurish fluke? I don't know.

Nathaliia
06-02-2011, 09:02 AM
And now according to the weblogs Slovenian police is browsing my website :o Looking for Di Mauro-Zemlja report or what? :o Sadly I had none.

Sonja1989
06-02-2011, 09:13 AM
It is disgusting. Hopefully I will never hear same in ATP level.

ExcaliburII
06-02-2011, 09:14 AM
It is disgusting. Hopefully I will never hear same in ATP level.

lol.

Sonja1989
06-02-2011, 09:19 AM
lol.

:confused: Do you think it isn't shame?

ExcaliburII
06-02-2011, 09:26 AM
:confused: Do you think it isn't shame?
Of course its a shame, its killing the sport. But the fact you saying I hope I dont see it on main tour is funny :lol: As it happens way too often already
Wait...there is one problem

Prodon retired when being 2 points away from victory

The ticket has bet on Prodon...

they void that leg of the parlay, so its still a win.

SVK
06-02-2011, 09:27 AM
Yeah I get it already:facepalm:

Sonja1989
06-02-2011, 09:28 AM
Of course its a shame, its killing the sport. But the fact you saying I hope I dont see it on main tour is funny :lol: As it happens way too often already

I don't know, it isn't 100% sure like this case.

SVK
06-02-2011, 10:02 AM
Story of Eastern European Challengers and Futures, seen this happening a lot in Romania/Hungary/Russia/Ukraine/etc :o

99% of Futures are not on any betting offices/sites

MaxPower
06-02-2011, 10:21 AM
Yeah, I see, but why did they go for an event with 1.08 odds? It's strange because you are potentially ruining your great 1,50s, 1,80s, 2,70s coupon with an 1,08. Yes, I bet rarely, but this sounds amateurish to me. Maybe they wanted for it to look like an amateurish fluke? I don't know.

They probably put it in as a way to throw off investigation but of course every major win on a high odds bet like that will be investigated anyway. The reason they failed was greed. Too many matches and too little "faked risk". Had they added more basketball/other sports or even a 50-50 non-tennis bet then investigators could be like "hmmm maybe just an incredible fluke" If they did like someone else said and made multiple 1000 euro plays on different combos and different additions of other sports, maybe actually played for 30-50k euros or so, then maybe investigators would be "wow what a fluke but this is obviously a really rich and crazy gambler"

the amount of fixing discovered is probably like <5% or so. Most would maybe fix 1-2 matches and use them to spice up other safer 1,3 - 1,5 bets and still get very solid payoff. One single challenger match can be fixed for quite a big multiplier.

It's a big problem. I don't have any idea of all the prizes in challengers but i know some challengers have like 1000-5000 euros in first prize! Even the potential winner would be very interested in fixing the final for example. It's that bad.

ExcaliburII
06-02-2011, 10:24 AM
I don't know, it isn't 100% sure like this case.
there are cases which are even more sure than this.
99% of Futures are not on any betting offices/sites
A lot of futures are offered for betting, but few bookies have, I guess only online and with low limits. I dont think there is much fixing going around on futures

cardio
06-02-2011, 10:26 AM
And I`m sure if that stupid basketball leg ( or any other) would have been loss, bookie wouldnt void tickets at all.They would say : nothing is proved, we have no reason to suspect fraud, bets are settled correctly, we keep our winnings
:devil:

jmf07
06-02-2011, 10:39 AM
And now according to the weblogs Slovenian police is browsing my website :o Looking for Di Mauro-Zemlja report or what? :o Sadly I had none.

They might think your the ringleader of it all :lol:

Stillman
06-02-2011, 10:53 AM
That not first time,when bookies after finish matches says: that was fixed.
second time in last 10 month different bookies says that,but noone say before matches started or etc.
Seurity departament in books or etc have a free salary.If any event in this bet loss we not heard about this theme. That wrong way. Right:say before the match that in your book expected high winnings if challenger matches will end with right result.If books are hide this info he must to pay.

Nathaliia
06-02-2011, 11:08 AM
They might think your the ringleader of it all :lol:
The worst thing is that I wrote Mesaros could beat Prodon! How the hell did I know? :lol: And also I wrote Kellner could beat Zopp, and Zopp's prize went up like crazy! But Kellner retired at 0-2....

Slovenian police surely reads through me :sad:.

As for Dabul-Puc, just heard info from my friend in Rijeka Dabul was sick and had MRI on his shoulder, so maybe not fixed :p.

Sonja1989
06-02-2011, 11:11 AM
there are cases which are even more sure than this.

Okay, I meant I didn't hear that about full tournament. Only about players. But full first round matches... :spit:

n8
06-02-2011, 12:33 PM
C) maybe even "bait" players with fake fixing and if they agree and do lose/retire without being injured then ban for life

Entrapment (a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials).

If it weren't for rules against entrapment, it would be a lot easier to find and catch criminals.

MaxPower
06-02-2011, 12:39 PM
Entrapment (a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials).

If it weren't for rules against entrapment, it would be a lot easier to find and catch criminals.

Yeah but you really know the law in many Eastern European countries? Depends on the crime as well. I'm pretty sure they even use "entrapment" to fight prostitution and drugselling in the US. It is simply very effective :devil:

At least they should infiltrate the actual fixing operations because then players they can collect evidence from within

MaxPower
06-02-2011, 12:43 PM
thing is that fighting the players and creating a huge risk for players that want to fix is what can stop fixing. Just like doping. A certain percentage of the players will always consider doping but if the risk from all the tests and harsh punishments is big enough you keep them from crossing the line. You can't remove doping and medicines or the access to it. It will always be there. Just like the "access" to fixing if the betting is allowed

v-money
06-02-2011, 12:54 PM
And I`m sure if that stupid basketball leg ( or any other) would have been loss, bookie wouldnt void tickets at all.They would say : nothing is proved, we have no reason to suspect fraud, bets are settled correctly, we keep our winnings
:devil:

So true. I actually have never seen anything like this on the challengers level, but sure a mass fix would be the only way to win big. If other people made parlays on the same players, this case would seen more probable, but are they actually suspecting fixing because of one 1000 Euro bet? This whole story is very confusing to me, because Prodon was on the ticket to win and he retired - only explanation was that he was told to win and if he was close to loosing then he had to retire.

I probably don't understand the whole story because one 148,000 euro winnings doesn't so enticing to make this many players fix.

MaxPower
06-02-2011, 01:03 PM
So true. I actually have never seen anything like this on the challengers level, but sure a mass fix would be the only way to win big. If other people made parlays on the same players, this case would seen more probable, but are they actually suspecting fixing because of one 1000 Euro bet? This whole story is very confusing to me, because Prodon was on the ticket to win and he retired - only explanation was that he was told to win and if he was close to loosing then he had to retire.

I probably don't understand the whole story because one 148,000 euro winnings doesn't so enticing to make this many players fix.

Of course that is the reason. If a player retires that match is set as 1.0. That is money back. But if the match is included in a combination it still keeps the combination alive, just reduced the payout a little. If you have a match "fixed" like that there is only gain and no risk in it. 1000 euro is a lot if you can get a 10 match combo in to for example 300 times the money. It's as much as the RG semifinalists make -1000 euro :) 299 000 euro net gain

Could for example pay 10 players 20 000 euro for different reasons (still way more than they can win in the challenger even as winners, normally) and still have 100 000 euros left to divide. Fixing is a huge problem and the more i think about it the more I'm sure it's a way larger problem than at first glance

Deivid23
06-02-2011, 02:03 PM
Letīs see if the mod deletes this mention for third time :haha:

This Rijeka betting issue is a very similar scenario to those that happened in Dnepropetrovsk challenger a few years back

SVK
06-02-2011, 02:18 PM
This whole story is very confusing to me, because Prodon was on the ticket to win and he retired - only explanation was that he was told to win and if he was close to loosing then he had to retire.

Yeah this is a bit interesting because it looks like a player who had to lose this match was not involved...the same with Di Mauro - Kavcic...there is no way Mesaros knew about it otherwise he wouldnīt come back from 5-2 in third...how can you fix a match without involving a player who had to lose?

golyrubychop
06-02-2011, 02:20 PM
So true. I actually have never seen anything like this on the challengers level, but sure a mass fix would be the only way to win big. If other people made parlays on the same players, this case would seen more probable, but are they actually suspecting fixing because of one 1000 Euro bet? This whole story is very confusing to me, because Prodon was on the ticket to win and he retired - only explanation was that he was told to win and if he was close to loosing then he had to retire.

I probably don't understand the whole story because one 148,000 euro winnings doesn't so enticing to make this many players fix.

You can put in your slip only 3-5 matches - lets say, only the "fixed one" in bookies all over eastern europe.
And then- you were "just lucky"

come2papa
06-02-2011, 04:10 PM
I'm sure gambling companies are doing some fixing themselves and no1 is talking about that...imo they should pay the winners their money and then start investigation and sue whoever is responsible for their loss. Probably many other ppl bet on those matches and lost and no1 will give them their money back just because the matches were fixed...

cardio
06-02-2011, 06:24 PM
Yeah this is a bit interesting because it looks like a player who had to lose this match was not involved...the same with Di Mauro - Kavcic...there is no way Mesaros knew about it otherwise he wouldnīt come back from 5-2 in third...how can you fix a match without involving a player who had to lose?

It is actually very possible. Lets say crooks approached player A to tank the match. A said firm NO. But they wanted this match odds into multi, so they approached player B to tank. B said also no, because he was fav to win and wanted to continue tournament, earn points or whatever. But player B "no" was not firm, lets say he agreed to retire if he is close to lose the match. So fixers can include player B win into multibet, because if he wins, it is OK. If he is close to loss, player B retires and multibet is still winner, with shorter odds though.

Julio
06-02-2011, 07:19 PM
Kitzbühel had some interesting matches in the past... :lol:

Dougie
06-02-2011, 08:41 PM
It is actually very possible. Lets say crooks approached player A to tank the match. A said firm NO. But they wanted this match odds into multi, so they approached player B to tank. B said also no, because he was fav to win and wanted to continue tournament, earn points or whatever. But player B "no" was not firm, lets say he agreed to retire if he is close to lose the match. So fixers can include player B win into multibet, because if he wins, it is OK. If he is close to loss, player B retires and multibet is still winner, with shorter odds though.

Thatīs possible, but very theoretical. WHen a player accepts the money, he is supposed to do as is agreed ( to lose). The bettors donīt pay for uncertain outcomes, they expect the player to do exactly as agreed.

Henry Chinaski
06-02-2011, 08:49 PM
I did a blog on it.

Nothing new from what's already been posted in here. Just put it all in one piece for those who don't visit forums etc..

http://shanktennis.com/2011/06/02/the-great-rijeka-betting-fraud/

Nathaliia
06-02-2011, 09:02 PM
Since most people don't go to the challenger section where we discuss these events...
someone posted over there a link which basically says Stebe and Struff fixed in Furth.
http://fixedtenis.blogspot.com/

Apparently I have a report from a spectator, unaware of anything. Do you think that blog is genuine and it's another scandal or will they be selling the picks to people and it's just scam based on the recent hysteria?

report(last paragrah is about that match):
http://www.tennisalternative.com/furth-challenger-2011-thursday-second-round-report-rn668.html

Sombrerero loco
06-02-2011, 10:36 PM
Could these players be banned?

please dont ban them :sad:

Henry Chinaski
06-02-2011, 11:17 PM
Since most people don't go to the challenger section where we discuss these events...
someone posted over there a link which basically says Stebe and Struff fixed in Furth.
http://fixedtenis.blogspot.com/



that site looks like a bad joke. fugly as hell

Nathaliia
06-02-2011, 11:42 PM
I reminded myself I saw something like that in the past, basically the idea was so people would pay for receiving a pick, probably many believing the matches were really fixed.

Not sure of the full story of that page I saw some months ago and the matches described there ;) I think people from MTF should be very careful and not invest their money into smth uncertain.

finishingmove
06-02-2011, 11:50 PM
looks like a page just started today, by a gambler who is disgusted with the thought of matches being fixed

hotdog
06-03-2011, 08:44 AM
It's a nice bit of free publicity for Superbet. I doubt they even took that bet in the first place. What bookmaker in their right mind would do that?

Arkulari
06-03-2011, 08:46 AM
99% of Futures are not on any betting offices/sites

oh yeah, there aren't bookers there, not at all ;)
not online but you can bet on anything you want as long as you find the right dude :p

I bet 500€ on Roger winning RG in 09, not in a site but with a booker and it paid nicely, sometimes we forget how things were done before the internet came around :lol:

SVK
06-03-2011, 01:00 PM
Since most people don't go to the challenger section where we discuss these events...
someone posted over there a link which basically says Stebe and Struff fixed in Furth.
http://fixedtenis.blogspot.com/

Third time not lucky
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2920/ugu.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/ugu.png/)
Just in a case he will decide to delete it

Govortsova won 7-5, 6-2 so at least we know how reliable the blog is...lol...acting like I know about everything so letīs make this fixed is lame...I donīt know how I would react if someone would suspect me from non exist fixing

ExcaliburII
06-03-2011, 01:40 PM
that blog is pure crap.

Ilovetheblues_86
06-03-2011, 03:03 PM
that blog is pure crap.

Getting defensive because of Struff and Stebe eh? Now I know why you went to GER, you sir are pure mafia.
:p

Nathaliia
06-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Third time not lucky
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2920/ugu.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/ugu.png/)
Just in a case he will decide to delete it

Govortsova won 7-5, 6-2 so at least we know how reliable the blog is...lol...acting like I know about everything so letīs make this fixed is lame...I donīt know how I would react if someone would suspect me from non exist fixing
I see they added a disclaimer saying "I think this can be fixed" - pretty much shows it's all paranoia bullshit.

philosophicalarf
06-03-2011, 04:14 PM
I think I know who set that up, and frankly some of their other comments elsewhere seemed outright paranoid.

ExcaliburII
06-03-2011, 04:18 PM
Getting defensive because of Struff and Stebe eh? Now I know why you went to GER, you sir are pure mafia.
:p

if that was fixed I am Gardel.
Is not about defending players i like or dislike when it comes to fixing. And for the record I dislike Struff.

There was no signs at all of this being a fix. 0. Odds pre match were normal, odds in play normal, even people watching said it was normal.