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Andy Murray - Easiest Draw To A GS SF Ever?

Certinfy
05-28-2011, 10:17 PM
I honestly can't remember an easier one :o

LawrenceOfTennis
05-28-2011, 10:21 PM
seems like...but he will surely find ways to not to make it

GugaF1
05-28-2011, 10:24 PM
Tim Henman RG 2002, anyone? those lucky brits. ;)

Elaka Farmor
05-28-2011, 10:25 PM
seems like...but he will surely find ways to not to make it
His injury may stop him....

tennishero
05-28-2011, 10:33 PM
His injury may stop him....

troicki also got injured

Nathaliia
05-28-2011, 10:35 PM
he will get here farther than in wimbledon i think :lol: just like henman in 2004 btw ;)

guga2120
05-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Federer 2007 Wimbledon, and his draw to Roland Garros in 2009, both cakewalks. Andy's is very easy though, hopefully he can take advantage of it and his ankle is ok, and with Rafa playing like sh!t, who knows how far he will go.

Blue Heart24
05-28-2011, 10:40 PM
Berlocq,Hernandez,Monaco,RRH,Benneteau :p

MaxPower
05-28-2011, 10:45 PM
Dunno. Just looking at the past years I'm sure we can find a few similar paths to SF. Thing is if one or two upsets happen this happens. The draw was good but not super easy. After the upsets of Almagro (wasn't he in Murrays quarter?) and Melzer it became a cake draw. It happens. If just one of them had survived it would look much harder for Murray. But he should buy a lottery ticket this week as well

tennishero
05-28-2011, 10:48 PM
in recent times deffinitly. if only nalbandian had this luck in his career.

abraxas21
05-28-2011, 11:07 PM
pocahontas' draw in the USO 2010 wasn't just the easiest draw all the way to the SF, it was the easiest draw all the way to the title in the history of the entire open era.

abraxas21
05-28-2011, 11:09 PM
in recent times deffinitly. if only nalbandian had this luck in his career.

maybe if nalbandian stopped eating 5 cheese burgers, fries and a diet coke for breakfast, he'd have at least taken a set in that wimby final vs hewitt

or maybe not

Corey Feldman
05-28-2011, 11:14 PM
no check Nadal's draw at the US Open last year and Wimbledon 2006

tennishero
05-28-2011, 11:14 PM
maybe if nalbandian stopped eating 5 cheese burgers, fries and a diet coke for breakfast, he'd have at least taken a set in that wimby final vs hewitt

or maybe not

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abraxas21
05-28-2011, 11:15 PM
Federer 2007 Wimbledon, and his draw to Roland Garros in 2009, both cakewalks.

as much as i agree that this is a mug clay era and therefore all acomplishments on the dirt mean little when compared to what the past greats did, i have to say that fed's draw in RG '09 wasn't easy at all for the current standards.

del potro, probly one of the top 5 clay courters in those days, in great form.
acasuso, an experienced clay courter, hitting the ball well
haas, easily one of the 5 most talented players of the past 10 years, playing great
soderling in the final -also one of the top 5 clay courters as time has told us since that edition of RG.

then again, none of these guys is that good when compared to the real clay courters of the eighties and the nineties but for the current era, they're good enough sadly.

abraxas21
05-28-2011, 11:17 PM
Petr Korda says Hi

all dopers can say hi

Corey Feldman
05-28-2011, 11:19 PM
the guy saying Fed's draws at 07 Wimb and 09 RG is taking the piss abraxas

unlike what they see following Nadal for 5 years, they know and can remember some horror draws Fed has had to come through... 07 Wimbledon he beat 4 GS champions (del potro, safin, ferrero, Kneedal) and Gasquet in semis & nearly every match he played at Garros 09 to the final was a war

you dont get these 'ones' like Veic popping up in Fed's 3rd rnd GS matches back in the day

Mr. Oracle
05-28-2011, 11:21 PM
seems like...but he will surely find ways to not to make it

LOL.

Mr. Oracle
05-28-2011, 11:27 PM
His injury may stop him....

which one? eyes, knee, ankle or back?

Hellraiser
05-28-2011, 11:30 PM
but who cares about it he gonna be punished in another WS tournament.

delpiero7
05-29-2011, 12:02 AM
the guy saying Fed's draws at 07 Wimb and 09 RG is taking the piss abraxas

unlike what they see following Nadal for 5 years, they know and can remember some horror draws Fed has had to come through... 07 Wimbledon he beat 4 GS champions (del potro, safin, ferrero, Kneedal) and Gasquet in semis & nearly every match he played at Garros 09 to the final was a war

you dont get these 'ones' like Veic popping up in Fed's 3rd rnd GS matches back in the day

Sure, he beat 4 past/future slam champions to get the trophy that year, so credit to the man. But it can't be compared to the truly HORRIFIC draw that Nadal recieved at the French Open in 2007, where he had to battle his way through FIVE Grand Slam Champions (Del Potro, Moya, Hewitt, Djokovic and Federer) and Cipolla in R2. :eek:

Let's talk about tough draws once Federer beats 5+ slam champions to win a major. :p:devil:

guga2120
05-29-2011, 12:05 AM
del potro, probly one of the top 5 clay courters in those days, in great form.
acasuso, an experienced clay courter, hitting the ball well
haas, easily one of the 5 most talented players of the past 10 years, playing great
soderling in the final -also one of the top 5 clay courters as time has told us since that edition of RG.

then again, none of these guys is that good when compared to the real clay courters of the eighties and the nineties but for the current era, they're good enough sadly.

The guy was asking easiest draw to the sf, Roger had a cakewalk then, the fact that he had matches with Acasuso and a injured way past it Haas, just shows how lucky he was. If he had somebody difficult in that draw no way does he win, and JMDP top 5 on clay, wtf? He has proven nothing except on hardourts. The only reason Roger won that tournamnet is b/c the two best clay courters were both out b/c of Madrid.

Sure, he beat 4 past/future slam champions to get the trophy that year, so credit to the man.

He also had 6 days off and only had to play 6 matches in the tournament.

Topspindoctor
05-29-2011, 12:16 AM
No draw in the universe will help the drama queen Mugray.

Lleyton_
05-29-2011, 12:17 AM
The guy was asking easiest draw to the sf, Roger had a cakewalk then, the fact that he had matches with Acasuso and a injured way past it Haas, just shows how lucky he was. If he had somebody difficult in that draw no way does he win, and JMDP top 5 on clay, wtf? He has proven nothing except on hardourts. The only reason Roger won that tournamnet is b/c the two best clay courters were both out b/c of Madrid.

Shut your beak. Haas owned Djokovic on grass twice after RG. In Halle final and Wimbledon QF. He was playing well and had the results to prove it. Acasuso in R2 doesn't mean anything. Just a regular R2 opponent.

luie
05-29-2011, 12:19 AM
Nadull USO 10,FO 10

Lurking
05-29-2011, 01:45 AM
Djokovic RG 2010 - Bye to the QF where he met Melzer
Djokovic RG 2008 - PHM the only seed, Gulbis only beat Blake
Djokovic RG 2007 - LL, Q, WC, Unseeded x2
Ljubicic RG 2006 - Monaco/RRH/Benneteau from 3R-QF

Usual stuff at RG.

Roadmap
05-29-2011, 01:54 AM
Definitely Moonballer's draw in America last year. When a draw like that is made, suspicians have to be raised. Sad for TENNIS.

Pipsy
05-29-2011, 01:58 AM
MaliVai Washington had a joke draw in 1996 Wimbledon.

Fromberg (#109), Enqvist (#9 but this is on grass), Ulihrach (#39), Haarhuis (#25), Radulescu (#91)

Also, in the semis he faced #18 ranked Todd Martin and #13 ranked Krajicek in the final

abraxas21
05-29-2011, 02:01 AM
The guy was asking easiest draw to the sf, Roger had a cakewalk then, the fact that he had matches with Acasuso and a injured way past it Haas, just shows how lucky he was. If he had somebody difficult in that draw no way does he win, and JMDP top 5 on clay, wtf? He has proven nothing except on hardourts. The only reason Roger won that tournamnet is b/c the two best clay courters were both out b/c of Madrid.


expected clownish comments from you.

Topspindoctor
05-29-2011, 02:03 AM
expected clownish comments from you.

:lol: Fedtards still defensive as hell about the clown slam that was 2009 RG.

abraxas21
05-29-2011, 02:08 AM
:lol: Fedtards still defensive as hell about the clown slam that was 2009 RG.

hilarious coming from you

nadal won RG five times already beating clay mugs and uninspired hard court players and you and your kind have no qualms calling your hero 'the greatest clay courter' ever. suddenly when federer wins RG in the same era, he only beat mugs and clowns.

can the hipocrisy be any clearer?

Roadmap
05-29-2011, 02:09 AM
:lol: Fedtards still defensive as hell about the clown slam that was 2009 RG.

Swap the ages of NADULL, Djokovic and Murray to 29 going on 30 and make genius Federer 24 year old again and those fella's wouldn't even win a set against the Swiss.

Topspindoctor
05-29-2011, 02:19 AM
Swap the ages of NADULL, Djokovic and Murray to 29 going on 30 and make genius Federer 24 year old again and those fella's wouldn't even win a set against the Swiss.

Fedtards playing the age game when all else fails :haha:

Ok, I'll bite.

How about 18-20 year old Federer vs 22 year old Nadal?

Yeah...

shiaben
05-29-2011, 02:19 AM
lol imagine if Murray won Roland Garros, that would be the controversy of the year.

He grew up playing on clay, yet his weakest performances are on this court like many others.

I'd have to say, this is by far the easiest of easy draws that a top-tier could possibly have.

But I'm sure if he comes across Nadal in the SF which I believe, he'll get taken in 4.

shiaben
05-29-2011, 02:28 AM
What's with this ludicrous hatred toward Nadal?

The guy has 9 slams to prove to his worth.

The hating won't impede his progress.

shiaben
05-29-2011, 02:43 AM
The most pathetic of excuses.

Haters will hate.

Roadmap
05-29-2011, 02:56 AM
Your the one slagging of 'fake injuries', but at the same time your a fan of NADULL. Explain please.

Ibracadabra
05-29-2011, 02:56 AM
Kneedull is easy to hate, could be anyone under the moon including uncle toni

icedevil0289
05-29-2011, 03:04 AM
Federer 2007 Wimbledon, and his draw to Roland Garros in 2009, both cakewalks. Andy's is very easy though, hopefully he can take advantage of it and his ankle is ok, and with Rafa playing like sh!t, who knows how far he will go.

lol, well for RG it appeared easy, but he could have lost a few times. Imo it was a struggle to get to the final for him.

Johnny Groove
05-29-2011, 03:19 AM
Tim Henman RG 2002, anyone? those lucky brits. ;)

Henman in 04 had:

Saulnier
Burgsmuller
Blanco
Llodra
Chela

to make the SF before losing to Coria.

Federer 2007 Wimbledon, and his draw to Roland Garros in 2009, both cakewalks. Andy's is very easy though, hopefully he can take advantage of it and his ankle is ok, and with Rafa playing like sh!t, who knows how far he will go.

Fed in 07 Wimbly:

Gabashvili
Del Potro
Safin
w/o (Haas)
Ferrero
Gasquet
Nadal

Not easy.

Fed in 09 RG:

Martin
Acasuso
PHM
Haas
Monfils
Del Potro
Soderling

Not easy.

Berlocq,Hernandez,Monaco,RRH,Benneteau :p

Ljubo in RG 06, verrrry easy :p

pocahontas' draw in the USO 2010 wasn't just the easiest draw all the way to the SF, it was the easiest draw all the way to the title in the history of the entire open era.

Nadal had:

Gabashvili
Istomin
Simon
Lopez
Verdasco
Youzhny
Djokovic

Not tough, but nowhere near the easiest ever.

no check Nadal's draw at the US Open last year and Wimbledon 2006

Wimbledon 06 really opened up for him:

Bogdanovic
Kendrick
Agassi
Labadze
Nieminen
Baghdatis
Federer

the guy saying Fed's draws at 07 Wimb and 09 RG is taking the piss abraxas

unlike what they see following Nadal for 5 years, they know and can remember some horror draws Fed has had to come through... 07 Wimbledon he beat 4 GS champions (del potro, safin, ferrero, Kneedal) and Gasquet in semis & nearly every match he played at Garros 09 to the final was a war

you dont get these 'ones' like Veic popping up in Fed's 3rd rnd GS matches back in the day

Fed's easiest draws:

Wimbledon 03:

HT Lee
Koubek
Fish
Lopez
Schalken
Roddick
Flip

Not exactly murderer's row.

USO 08:

Maximo Gonzalez
Thiago Alves
Stepanek
Andreev
Muller

to make SF

AO 11:

Lacko
Simon
Malisse
Robredo
Wawrinka

to make SF

Nadull USO 10,FO 10

RG 10:

Mina
Zeballos
Hewitt
Bellucci
Almagro
Melzer
Soderling

Not easy, regardless of how easy he made it look.

Djokovic RG 2010 - Bye to the QF where he met Melzer
Djokovic RG 2008 - PHM the only seed, Gulbis only beat Blake
Djokovic RG 2007 - LL, Q, WC, Unseeded x2
Ljubicic RG 2006 - Monaco/RRH/Benneteau from 3R-QF

Usual stuff at RG.

The overall point here is that draws don't matter. Whining and bitching about draws is a mug's game.

icedevil0289
05-29-2011, 03:23 AM
:lol: Fedtards still defensive as hell about the clown slam that was 2009 RG.

:rolleyes:

Clay Death
05-29-2011, 03:26 AM
The most pathetic of excuses.

Haters will hate.


what else can they do shiaben?

envy fungus riddled rodents of the lost world are at a huge loss.

they have been going around in endless circles trying to figure out how the great clay warrior snatched up 9 slams on all surfaces by the tender age of 24.

they still think that all he had to do was drive by these 4 slams facilities and just pick up the trophies.

rocketassist
05-29-2011, 03:28 AM
2003 on grass was tougher than any recent grass draw Jon. Schalken and FH-armed Roddick were proper grass specialists as was Scud.

rocketassist
05-29-2011, 03:30 AM
:lol: Fedtards still defensive as hell about the clown slam that was 2009 RG.

:haha: you hypocritical convict clown. Uber-clown.

rocketassist
05-29-2011, 03:41 AM
Murray's draws are made automatically tougher by the lack of British mugs who can beat guys and get through to bare their arse for him, unlike Wawrinka (Fed), Spaniards (Nadal) and Serbs (Nole)

Sophocles
05-29-2011, 03:58 AM
Federer 2007 Wimbledon, and his draw to Roland Garros in 2009, both cakewalks. Andy's is very easy though, hopefully he can take advantage of it and his ankle is ok, and with Rafa playing like sh!t, who knows how far he will go.

Retsrded Fed-hating bullshit. You ought to be barred from typing. The R.G. 2009 draw was as tough as it gets and loser Fed-haters like you know it. Weep.

Jimnik
05-29-2011, 04:01 AM
Djokovic RG 2010 - Bye to the QF where he met Melzer
Djokovic RG 2008 - PHM the only seed, Gulbis only beat Blake
Djokovic RG 2007 - LL, Q, WC, Unseeded x2
Ljubicic RG 2006 - Monaco/RRH/Benneteau from 3R-QF

Usual stuff at RG.
This.

Jimnik
05-29-2011, 04:06 AM
Ljubicic barely played top 100 players in 2006.

Murray's is a death draw by comparison.

LinkMage
05-29-2011, 04:29 AM
Go check some of Nadull's draws.

USO 2010 must be the easiest of them but there are several.

guga2120
05-29-2011, 04:31 AM
Retsrded Fed-hating bullshit. You ought to be barred from typing. The R.G. 2009 draw was as tough as it gets and loser Fed-haters like you know it. Weep.

:lol: Yeah it was brutal, the two best claycourters were out and his biggest challenge was a very green JMDP who had, and still has done absolutely nothing on the surface.

icedevil0289
05-29-2011, 04:45 AM
:lol: Yeah it was brutal, the two best claycourters were out and his biggest challenge was a very green JMDP who had, and still has done absolutely nothing on the surface.

I like djokovic, but not sure I would have classified him as the second best claycourter for that tournament that year.

guga2120
05-29-2011, 04:50 AM
I like djokovic, but not sure I would have classified him as the second best claycourter for that tournament that year.

Final Monte Carlo, Rome, sf Madrid all lost to Rafa, and he won Serbia. He was clearly the second best, there was only one player that he couldn't beat.

Pirata.
05-29-2011, 05:06 AM
Let's talk about tough draws once Federer beats 5+ slam champions to win a major. :p:devil:

1R Gaudio
2R Hewitt
3R Ferrero
4R Roddick
QF Del Potro
SF Djokovic/Nadal
F Djokovic/Nadal

Cakewalk to the quarterfinals :lol:

Pirata.
05-29-2011, 05:10 AM
Murray's draws are made automatically tougher by the lack of British mugs who can beat guys and get through to bare their arse for him, unlike Wawrinka (Fed), Spaniards (Nadal) and Serbs (Nole)

Very true :yeah:

DorianGray7
05-29-2011, 05:18 AM
Didn't this happen at the AO 2011 where Murray had a cake-draw to the final? Then he got properly butt-***** in 3 by Novak. >_>

Action Jackson
05-29-2011, 05:35 AM
Berlocq,Hernandez,Monaco,RRH,Benneteau :p

This Ljubicic one was brilliant.

tennis2tennis
05-29-2011, 06:02 AM
there's a difference between having an easy draw and the draw opening up for you...sometimes you look at draw and on paper it looks very difficult suddenly the seeds drop or your apponent under-performs and your in the money...othertimes the draw looks like a cakewalk and you hit a wall with a guy you've never played against...

Kat_YYZ
05-29-2011, 06:38 AM
RG 2011 Draw so far. Opponent's rank in brackets. Average rank based on adding up rank of all opponents and dividing by the number of rounds (4).

1. Soderling: R. Harrison (119), A. Ramos (117), L. Mayer (217), G. Simon (18) Total=454 Avg. 117.8
2. Murray: E. Prodon (124), S. Bolelli (126), M. Berrer (95), V. Troicki (15) Total=360 Avg. 90
3. Nadal: J. Isner (39), P. Andujar (48), A. Veic (227), I. Ljubicic (37). Total=351 Avg. 87.8
4. Federer: F. Lopez (41), M. Texeira (181), J. Tipsarevic (32), S. Wawrinka (14). Total=268 Avg. 67
5. Djokovic: T. De Bakker (71), V. Hanescu (60) JM Del Potro (26), R. Gasquet (16) Total=173 Avg. 43.3

Benny_Maths
05-29-2011, 06:56 AM
expected clownish comments from you.

Or any other Kuerten fan really.:D

Start da Game
05-29-2011, 06:57 AM
the guy saying Fed's draws at 07 Wimb and 09 RG is taking the piss abraxas

unlike what they see following Nadal for 5 years, they know and can remember some horror draws Fed has had to come through... 07 Wimbledon he beat 4 GS champions (del potro, safin, ferrero, Kneedal) and Gasquet in semis & nearly every match he played at Garros 09 to the final was a war

you dont get these 'ones' like Veic popping up in Fed's 3rd rnd GS matches back in the day


Sure, he beat 4 past/future slam champions to get the trophy that year, so credit to the man. But it can't be compared to the truly HORRIFIC draw that Nadal recieved at the French Open in 2007, where he had to battle his way through FIVE Grand Slam Champions (Del Potro, Moya, Hewitt, Djokovic and Federer) and Cipolla in R2. :eek:

Let's talk about tough draws once Federer beats 5+ slam champions to win a major. :p:devil:


utter pwnage! well done...

Pirata.
05-29-2011, 07:03 AM
Start da Game, I'm disappointed in you. Not enough .......

Start da Game
05-29-2011, 07:08 AM
poor murray who is slamless and struggling to beat the big guns is slammed about one lucky draw.......look at that fragile ballet performer's draws over the years.......on a 5 star rating, the quality of draws in his slam wins:

wimbledon 2003 - **
AO 2004 - **
wimbledon 2004 - *
US open 2004 - 1/2*
wimbledon 2005 - 1/4*
us open 2005 - *
Ao 2006 - 1/2*
wimbledon 2006 - *
us open 2006 - *
AO 2007 - 1/4*
wimbledon 2007 - 1/2*
us open 2007 - *
us open 2008 - *
french open 2009 - 1/4*
wimbledon 2009 - 1/2*
AO 2010 - 1/2*

ExcaliburII
05-29-2011, 07:23 AM
RG 2011 Draw so far. Opponent's rank in brackets. Average rank based on adding up rank of all opponents and dividing by the number of rounds (4).

1. Soderling: R. Harrison (119), A. Ramos (117), L. Mayer (217), G. Simon (18) Total=454 Avg. 117.8
2. Murray: E. Prodon (124), S. Bolelli (126), M. Berrer (95), V. Troicki (15) Total=360 Avg. 90
3. Nadal: J. Isner (39), P. Andujar (48), A. Veic (227), I. Ljubicic (37). Total=351 Avg. 87.8
4. Federer: F. Lopez (41), M. Texeira (181), J. Tipsarevic (32), S. Wawrinka (14). Total=268 Avg. 67
5. Djokovic: T. De Bakker (71), V. Hanescu (60) JM Del Potro (26), R. Gasquet (16) Total=173 Avg. 43.3
Leo Mayer was the toughest rival and his rank is 217 which screws this completely. Ranks dont tell the complete truth.

PiggyGotRoasted
05-29-2011, 07:59 AM
Leo Mayer was the toughest rival and his rank is 217 which screws this completely. Ranks dont tell the complete truth.

Nadal had the easier draw than murray, apart from the fact that he has almost fucked it up and hopefully will fuck it up any way.

Mungo
05-29-2011, 08:52 AM
Fedull's draw in RG 2009 was similar, yet he played a bunch of 4 and 5 setters LOL he was very lucky to reach the semis

born_on_clay
05-29-2011, 09:03 AM
It is
It's embarassment for tennnis to have Murray in Roland Garros SF :spit:

tennis2tennis
05-29-2011, 09:03 AM
But it can't be compared to the truly HORRIFIC draw that Nadal recieved at the French Open in 2007, where he had to battle his way through FIVE Grand Slam Champions (Del Potro, Moya, Hewitt, Djokovic and Federer) and Cipolla in R2. :eek:

Let's talk about tough draws once Federer beats 5+ slam champions to win a major. :p:devil:

utter pwnage! well done...

are you a bit you know... (http://www.markpeterdavis.com/.a/6a00e0098c505188330115709e7fba970b-450wi)

How can that post be a "pwnage"?

In 2007 Rafa beat 3 majors winners not 5 (see date line of ND and JMP first major wins) and of the 3 he beat one (Hewitt) never passed the 1/4 of RG and the last of his 2 majors win was five years previously (2002) and by 2007 Moya was as useful in the slams as a chocolate teapot , his first and last win in RG was in 1998 for fucks sake!!...yeah man 30 year old moya and hewitt in clay were a horrific draw :facepalm:

LawrenceOfTennis
05-29-2011, 09:20 AM
Murray's not having the winner factor really. I like his game but it's simply not enought to take big titles. He should convert to a more attacking tennis. He will surely lose his SF here.

abraxas21
05-29-2011, 09:28 AM
It is
It's embarassment for tennnis to have Murray in Roland Garros SF :spit:

it only serves to speak about how muggy this clay era is

abraxas21
05-29-2011, 09:29 AM
Murray's not having the winner factor really. I like his game but it's simply not enought to take big titles. He should convert to a more attacking tennis. He will surely lose his SF here.

well, i dunno. some time ago it would have been unthinkable that a moonballer would get even 1 GS title

and nowadays we've got one who has won 9.

scoobs
05-29-2011, 09:32 AM
Ljubicic's run to the SF at RG in 2006 was so cupcake even he couldn't find a way to screw it up.

helvet empire
05-29-2011, 09:38 AM
Fedull's draw in RG 2009 was similar, yet he played a bunch of 4 and 5 setters LOL he was very lucky to reach the semis

yeah right
he had paul henri mathieu (who played one of the longest nadal matches in roland, he was the one who troubled him the most except fed and soderling) and a spanish I don't really remember the name, pretty solid, nothing special but heck it's the first rounds.
Then haase who was on fire, anyway a bigger amtch than ljubicic is. By the way it's the fourth round, you're not supposed to meet superman
then he got monfils in quarter, who has done one semi, 2 fourth rounds and a quarter at roland, a regular client to have in the quarter!
then he got del potro, all the hord of nadull tards praying for his beating of djokovic speaks volumes about how hard a match it is.
And finally he got soderling, who crushed ferrer, davydenko, and a certain unknown player named nadal.

RG 2009 was a VERY HARD draw

Start da Game
05-29-2011, 10:11 AM
are you a bit you know... (http://www.markpeterdavis.com/.a/6a00e0098c505188330115709e7fba970b-450wi)

How can that post be a "pwnage"?

In 2007 Rafa beat 3 majors winners not 5 (see date line of ND and JMP first major wins) and of the 3 he beat one (Hewitt) never passed the 1/4 of RG and the last of his 2 majors win was five years previously (2002) and by 2007 Moya was as useful in the slams as a chocolate teapot , his first and last win in RG was in 1998 for fucks sake!!...yeah man 30 year old moya and hewitt in clay were a horrific draw :facepalm:

can you (http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ugly.jpg) read? he said past/future slam champs...

Sonja1989
05-29-2011, 10:13 AM
He had quite easy opponent for top 4 player, yeah, but what does he do with it in injured? Troicki not too easy I'm not sure he beats him except for happens miracle and he won't have problem with his ankle.

But.. no, not the easiest draw, Murray seemed lucky's draw earlier when he didn't played good on clay. He was lucky draw for Berdych and Gonzalez too in last two year.

Really, Gonzalez. He played semifinal in 2009 and beaten Vanek, Machado, Ouanna, Hanescu and Murray. Well Murray was better on clay in 2009 or Chela? I'm not sure the answer would be Murray, the seed means nothing sometimes.

Mungo
05-29-2011, 10:16 AM
Murray's odds vs Troicki from 1.37 to 1.50 in the last 30 min. Injury not looking good.

nole_no1
05-29-2011, 10:18 AM
I don't know if it's the easiest but it's top 3 for sure
How the fuck can you be so lucky? :o

TennisOnWood
05-29-2011, 10:20 AM
it only serves to speak about how muggy this clay era is

I don't think they can do better with surfaces like this.. all the same

tennis2tennis
05-29-2011, 10:30 AM
can you (http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ugly.jpg) read? he said past/future slam champs...

can you? he talks of Federer's past/future slam champs but says...

Nadal recieved at the French Open in 2007, where he had to battle his way through FIVE Grand Slam Champions ..

not 3 winners and 2 would-be's...

and if we're comparing the draw...it has to be about the quality AT THE TIME not how much THE APPONENTS ACHIEVEMENTS AFTER the year in question!!!

seriously man what does it say about you when you give props to someone who thinks Rafa having 30 year old Moya and facing Hewitt on clay is a horrific draw..:facepalm:

Super Djoker
05-29-2011, 11:02 AM
Tim Henman RG 2002, anyone? those lucky brits. ;)

Tim Henman did well there! Murray however is just getting a cake walk Draw!

Singularity
05-29-2011, 12:00 PM
poor murray who is slamless and struggling to beat the big guns is slammed about one lucky draw.......look at that fragile ballet performer's draws over the years.......on a 5 star rating, the quality of draws in his slam wins:
So, they played in the same era, yet all of Federer's draws were easy, and all of Nadal's were hard - quite impressive really.

Radalek
05-29-2011, 01:43 PM
can you (http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ugly.jpg) read? he said past/future slam champs...

Yeah it's truly HORRIFIC to play 18 years old Del Potro, 19 years old Novak and way past prime Moya and Hewitt. Truly HORRIFIC draw that was for Nadal.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-29-2011, 01:44 PM
It is
It's embarassment for tennnis to have Murray in Roland Garros SF :spit:

murray is underrated on clay. right now he's playing better than Nadal. Solid footwork and penatrating slice. Willing serve and biting ground strokes backed up by loyal footwork. He's a former quarter finalist and has done well in masters events. The fact that their is so much focus on his draw shows how much of a threat he is here. He can go toe to toe with anyone off the ground not named Djokovic.

Imo he's better than Federer on clay right now.

dombrfc
05-29-2011, 01:49 PM
Washington, Wimby 96

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-29-2011, 01:55 PM
US Open 2010 still is street ahead of everyone elses draws in this field. Not one player Nadal faced who had any form otherwise injured.

round one was gabashvili (who?)
round two was Istomin (guy runs like he has cement on his shoes, falt out sucks)
round 3 was simon (guy was having a freaking kid)

two Spainish lovers struggling for form and confidence (understatement)

Corey Feldman
05-29-2011, 03:24 PM
Tim Henman RG 2002, anyone? those lucky brits. ;)Henman's RG 2002

R128 Galo Blanco W 6-4, 6-3, 7-6(6)
R64 Xavier Malisse L 2-6, 6-3, 6-7(4), 3-6

Sapeod
05-29-2011, 03:27 PM
No draw in the universe will help the drama queen Mugray.
He's not a drama queen. Have you ever rolled over on your ankle? It hurts, A LOT. He doesn't take pain well, so he was loud with his reaction. At least he actually seems to have reasons for his timeouts :yeah:

SERBINATOR
05-29-2011, 03:55 PM
Don't know

Murray Looks Injured so we can call it EVEN!

steveo2810
05-29-2011, 04:04 PM
Too bad if he is injured and cant take advantage of the draw.

Sham Kay
05-29-2011, 04:16 PM
1. Easy draw, yeah. Ever.. is arguable, but fair to consider.

2. He hardly calls the trainer unless something is really wrong these days. Unlike certain other top guys who call one out when they're getting wooped.. drama butt-picker Queen for example.

3. Fans, especially fans of Djoker and Nadal who blast his qualities on clay are obviously insecure of how the player they like can beat him.

4. Saying all that, Murray may struggle to take advantage of the draw it seems. Won't mention the 'I' word, but I still think he'll beat Troicki. Can see his prospects from how he does there.

5. I completely missed the point of this thread.

straitup
05-29-2011, 04:27 PM
Schuettler's 2008 Wimbledon SF run was pretty funny...

R128 Santiago Ventura (ESP) 88 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
R64 James Blake (USA) 8 W 6-3, 6-7(8), 4-6, 6-4, 6-4
R32 Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) W 6-2, 6-3, 6-4
R16 Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) 40 W 6-4, 3-6, 6-4, 7-6(4)
Q Arnaud Clement (FRA) 145 W 6-3, 5-7, 7-6(6), 6-7(7), 8-6
S Rafael Nadal (ESP) 2 L 1-6, 6-7(3), 4-6

But yes, Murray's draw is pretty gentle

Start da Game
05-29-2011, 04:34 PM
can you? he talks of Federer's past/future slam champs but says...



not 3 winners and 2 would-be's...

and if we're comparing the draw...it has to be about the quality AT THE TIME not how much THE APPONENTS ACHIEVEMENTS AFTER the year in question!!!

seriously man what does it say about you when you give props to someone who thinks Rafa having 30 year old Moya and facing Hewitt on clay is a horrific draw..:facepalm:

are you that bad? del piero just retaliated with nadal's french open draw of 2007 saying it consisted 3 past champs + 2 future champs compared to 3 past champs + just 1 future champ of federina's wimbledon 2007 draw.......

Singularity
05-29-2011, 05:07 PM
So Nadal could have played Del Potro aged 16, or 14, but it doesn't matter - because he would later go on to win a GS, so he must always have been that good. And equally, it doesn't matter how old a player gets, because as long as they've won a GS in the past, they're always at that level.

Maybe Borg could come back to set up a truly epic challenge with Nadal. Imagine having another 11 time slam winner in the draw!

Start da Game
05-29-2011, 05:22 PM
you should be ready to take back when you throw it in the first place.......seriously what are you rambling here? safin, ferrero were fucking finished, del potro was a kid and nadal's knee got fucked up in the 4th set.......

granted that moya, hewitt were fucking finished and d pot was a kid when talking about rafa's draw, but he still beat djokovic and fed, two quality players on clay.......be honest here, djokovic was already no pushover on clay, he reached the quarters in 2006 too and was in fine form winning miami.......

look at fedclown's shit draw.......absolutely nobody, all washed up clowns plus one walkover, shameless.......his first real challenge came in the final and nadal injured his knee.......

Singularity
05-29-2011, 05:50 PM
So initially you argued that Nadal's draw was great because it had 5 past/future champions in it, irrespective of their actual level at the time.

Now when it comes to assessing Fed's draw, it's quite irrelevant that it contained 4 past/future champions! It doesn't matter because they were before their prime or washed out! How can you not see the double standards here? Furthermore, the same player (Del Potro) is used as evidence of the strength of Nadal's draw, and of the weakness of Federer's draw!

I guess if Del Potro appears on Federer's side of the draw he's just an inexperienced kid. If he appears on Nadal's side of the draw he's a Grand Slam champion in the making, and a real test. Probably the same would apply to Ferrero as well, had Nadal met him at RG.

Frankly, I don't care which draw was stronger - I just think the whole past/future champions argument is pretty stupid. You judge the difficulty of a draw by the difficulty of each individual match, not by the combined (past and future) achievements of those you're playing against. It doesn't matter if Federer has 16 slams, if he can't keep the ball in the court. If he's still playing by 35 he'll still have 16+ slams, but that won't mean he'll suddenly make every draw much stronger by his presence.

Start da Game
05-29-2011, 05:57 PM
So initially you argued that Nadal's draw was great because it had 5 past/future champions in it, irrespective of their actual level at the time.

Now when it comes to assessing Fed's draw, it's quite irrelevant that it contained 4 past/future champions! It doesn't matter because they were before their prime or washed out! How can you not see the double standards here? Furthermore, the same player (Del Potro) is used as evidence of the strength of Nadal's draw, and of the weakness of Federer's draw!

I guess if Del Potro appears on Federer's side of the draw he's just an inexperienced kid. If he appears on Nadal's side of the draw he's a Grand Slam champion in the making, and a real test. Probably the same would apply to Ferrero as well, had Nadal met him at RG.

Frankly, I don't care which draw was stronger - I just think the whole past/future champions argument is pretty stupid. You judge the difficulty of a draw by the difficulty of each individual match, not by the combined (past and future) achievements of those you're playing against. It doesn't matter if Federer has 16 slams, if he can't keep the ball in the court. If he's still playing by 35 he'll still have 16+ slams, but that won't mean he'll suddenly make every draw much stronger by his presence.

that shows you din't read my post......rest of your post is the same story, making your assumptions without reading my post......

Singularity
05-29-2011, 06:21 PM
Sorry - when you said "d pot was a kid when talking about rafa's draw, but he still beat djokovic and fed", I thought you were talking about Del Potro (in the future), rather than Djokovic. In any case, it seems you've since backed down from delpiero7's original argument, which was that Nadal's draw was super tough simply because it contained 5 past/future champions.

tennishero
05-29-2011, 06:25 PM
Schuettler's 2008 Wimbledon SF run was pretty funny...

R128 Santiago Ventura (ESP) 88 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
R64 James Blake (USA) 8 W 6-3, 6-7(8), 4-6, 6-4, 6-4
R32 Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) W 6-2, 6-3, 6-4
R16 Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) 40 W 6-4, 3-6, 6-4, 7-6(4)
Q Arnaud Clement (FRA) 145 W 6-3, 5-7, 7-6(6), 6-7(7), 8-6
S Rafael Nadal (ESP) 2 L 1-6, 6-7(3), 4-6

But yes, Murray's draw is pretty gentle

blake, tipsarevic and clement all good players back then, murray's opponents arent even close to their level.

straitup
05-29-2011, 06:32 PM
blake, tipsarevic and clement all good players back then, murray's opponents arent even close to their level.

Blake - yes he was ranked 8th but he massively underachieved and his best result at Wimbledon was the 3rd round. Tipsarevic was good too.

And Clement wasn't bad but out of all the possible QF matches, he wouldn't be the one you exactly feared the most.

DrJules
05-29-2011, 06:40 PM
Over a period of time the difficulty or ease of draw tends to balance and if you look at Federer and Nadal grand slam paths over the year they have each had difficult and easy draws to win GS titles. Federer has won GS titles beating 3 top 10 players (AO 2010, US 2007, AO 2007, US 2006, US 2004) and has won GSs beating only 1 top 10 player. Nadal has won a GS title beating 2 top 10 players (could not find a GS where Nadal beat 3 top 10 players to win it)and has won GSs beating only 1 top 10 player:

Federer:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=gs#

Nadal:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=gs#

I think Federer or Nadal fans stating the other player had easier draws is not supported by the facts. Over the years draws even out. Murray has also had his difficult draws.

The highest ranked player Nadal faced to reach US Open semi-final of 2008 was ranked number 35. Troicki is ranked much higher.

tennishero
05-29-2011, 06:41 PM
Blake - yes he was ranked 8th but he massively underachieved and his best result at Wimbledon was the 3rd round. Tipsarevic was good too.

And Clement wasn't bad but out of all the possible QF matches, he wouldn't be the one you exactly feared the most.

i think clement of 08 at RG would be much more of threat to murray, and he's already beat him before.

FedererXPress
05-29-2011, 08:43 PM
:lol: Yeah it was brutal, the two best claycourters were out and his biggest challenge was a very green JMDP who had, and still has done absolutely nothing on the surface.

LOL @ this moronic post. The "very green" JMDP who won the U.S. Open later the same year. Fed-Haters are out of the woodwork in full force today :rolleyes: TopSpinDoctor should change his name to Spin Doctor because he's spinning pretty hard to tilt the debate in favor of his boy Nadal who has benefited from some pretty easy draws himself.

FedererXPress
05-29-2011, 08:51 PM
With that being said: It won't matter how easy Murray's draw is, he wont make it past Rafa in the semis. I wait with great anticipation to see how all of you Rafa fanboys spin it when Djokovic clowns him in the finals yet again.

Roadmap
05-29-2011, 09:44 PM
LOL @ this moronic post. The "very green" JMDP who won the U.S. Open later the same year. Fed-Haters are out of the woodwork in full force today :rolleyes: TopSpinDoctor should change his name to Spin Doctor because he's spinning pretty hard to tilt the debate in favor of his boy Nadal who has benefited from some pretty easy draws himself.

That's not the onlt thing NADULL has benifited from. He benifits from blind eye of ATP

Sunset of Age
05-30-2011, 12:43 AM
Over a period of time the difficulty or ease of draw tends to balance and if you look at Federer and Nadal grand slam paths over the year they have each had difficult and easy draws to win GS titles. Federer has won GS titles beating 3 top 10 players (AO 2010, US 2007, AO 2007, US 2006, US 2004) and has won GSs beating only 1 top 10 player. Nadal has won a GS title beating 2 top 10 players (could not find a GS where Nadal beat 3 top 10 players to win it)and has won GSs beating only 1 top 10 player:

Federer:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=gs#

Nadal:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=pa&y=0&m=s&e=gs#

I think Federer or Nadal fans stating the other player had easier draws is not supported by the facts. Over the years draws even out. Murray has also had his difficult draws.

The highest ranked player Nadal faced to reach US Open semi-final of 2008 was ranked number 35. Troicki is ranked much higher.

The voice of reason, so scarcely heard on this forum. :yeah: