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French Director of the International Monetary Fund arrested for sexual assault

Renaud
05-15-2011, 01:10 PM
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The French political bigshot who heads the International Monetary Fund (http://www.nypost.com/t/International_Monetary_Fund)was arrested for allegedly sodomizing a Manhattan hotel maid yesterday -- hauled off an Air France flight just moments before takeoff from Kennedy Airport, police sources said.
Three Port Authority detectives pulled Dominique Strauss-Kahn from the plane's first-class cabin just two minutes before it was due to depart for Paris, according to the police sources.
Strauss-Kahn, 62 -- who was expected to challenge French President Nicholas Sarkozy in the 2012 election -- was turned over to NYPD officers and brought to the Special Victims Unit's uptown squad room.

Strauss-Kahn is awaiting arraignment on charges of a criminal sex act, attempted **** and unlawful imprisonment, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said.
The trouble began at around 1 p.m. yesterday when a 32-year-old housekeeper entered Strauss-Kahn's $3,000-a-night suite at the luxury Sofitel (http://www.nypost.com/t/Sofitel)on West 44th Street -- apparently unaware he was still inside.
The married Strauss-Kahn was in the bathroom, and emerged naked, chased her down a hallway and pulled her into a bedroom, where "he jumps her," a source said.
"She pulled away from him and he dragged her down a hallway into the bathroom where he engaged in a criminal sexual act, according to her account to detectives," Browne said. "He tried to lock her into the hotel room."
Soon afterward, Strauss-Kahn got dressed and headed off to JFK for a flight to Paris.
When he was approached on the plane by Port Authority cops, he said, "What is this about?" sources said. He was taken off the aircraft without handcuffs.
Two law-enforcement sources said Strauss-Kahn was trying to flee authorities. Police said he left his cellphone and other personal items in the room.
"It looked like he got out of there in a hurry," Browne said.
Strauss-Kahn, who had a meeting planned for today with German Chancellor Angela Merkel (http://www.nypost.com/t/Angela_Merkel)in Berlin, has an arrangement with Air France that allows him to get on any flight and sit in first class, the sources said. He was traveling alone.
Browne said Strauss-Kahn does not have diplomatic immunity. He was expected to be brought to court today. High-profile criminal defense lawyer Ben Brafman told The Post he will be defending Strauss-Kahn -- but by late last night, had not yet spoken with him.
The victim was taken to Roosevelt Hospital, where she was treated for trauma.
The shocking arrest came hours after a Socialist Party (http://www.nypost.com/t/Socialist_Party)ally of Strauss-Kahn accused Sarkozy of kicking off a smear campaign against his longtime rival -- focusing on his lavish lifestyle, including his preference for suits from the same tailor favored by President Obama.
"There is now a totally structured and orchestrated campaign, which has already been announced by Mr. Sarkozy and his closest allies, to attack the character of Strauss-Kahn," Socialist politician Jean-Marie Le Guen told Europe 1 radio.
Strauss-Kahn's stint at the helm of the IMF in Washington does not officially end until September 2012, several months after the scheduled date of France's presidential vote.
But the French political world has been buzzing with speculation that the man popularly known as "DSK" would bring a premature end to his tenure and throw his hat in the ring.
And some opinion polls suggested he would win.
In France's 2007 elections, Strauss-Kahn lost the Socialist nomination to Segolene Royal, who in turn was defeated in the general election by Sarkozy, leader of the right-wing Union for a Popular Movement.
But Sarkozy, who still sees Strauss-Kahn as his likeliest electoral rival, is believed to have maneuvered Strauss-Kahn out of France by backing him to head the Washington-based IMF.
A spokeswoman for the State Department had no comment, nor did a spokesperson for the French Embassy. The IMF did not return calls seeking comment.
philip.messing@nypost.com

Pfloyd
05-15-2011, 01:53 PM
The IMF fucks small countries with neo-liberal policies in which poverty increseases almost twofold invariably and the scandal is that Strauss-Khan had abhorent sexual behavior?

Not that its unimportant, but the "priorities" which grab the headlines are amazing. . . . .

buddyholly
05-15-2011, 02:17 PM
Well uhhhh, sexual flings do not usually involve ****.

But who knows how far socialists take the definition of the will of the collective.

orangehat
05-15-2011, 02:19 PM
buddyholly dragging "socialists" into the fray again :worship:

buddyholly
05-15-2011, 02:21 PM
No, Pfloyd introduced the political theme. I just came for the sex.

Har-Tru
05-15-2011, 02:28 PM
It's Chomsky's fault.

Pfloyd
05-15-2011, 02:38 PM
A **** is a horrible action, for heavens sake that does not need defense.

The IMF on the other hand is awful.

Who said Chomsky? Why can't it be John Perkins, or Naomi Klein, Howard Zinn, David Harvey and so on?

These are facts:

Here is a document, if you don't believe me:

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/8/4/6/5/p184653_index.html?phpsessid=6c2980521c90b8a40ca04 a15cad20ccf

(Not that you will)

In any case, naming me a socialist is not new given my political views. But I ask of you not to equate **** with socialism of any kind, its rude, granted I read the article quickly and called an attempted **** a fling, which was my mistake, but the case remains that the larger picture is ignored by a much smaller scandal.

All I stated that this case, as bad as it is, pales in comparison to the **** of millions of people. Now if they are of the same impact to you, then that's your thing not mine.

star
05-15-2011, 03:28 PM
In any case, naming me a socialist is not new given my political views. But I ask of you not to equate **** with socialism of any kind, its rude, granted I read the article quickly and called an attempted **** a fling, which was my mistake, but the case remains that the larger picture is ignored by a much smaller scandal.

All I stated that this case, as bad as it is, pales in comparison to the **** of millions of people. Now if they are of the same impact to you, then that's your thing not mine.

You had to read it pretty damn quickly to miss the unlawful nature of the "fling," since the TITLE of the thread contains the words "Sexual Assault." :(

I don't attribute that to your political views, but rather to the dismissive stance taken toward the abuse of women by men in power regardless of political affiliation.

Oh, and p.s., it wasn't just attempted ****. That's a lesser charge. The allegation is that he sodomized the woman. She went to the hospital. I hope it was just to collect evidence. If this happened as described, it must have been horrifying for the woman. Also it makes me wonder if this guy had done this sort of thing before.

Pfloyd
05-15-2011, 05:01 PM
You had to read it pretty damn quickly to miss the unlawful nature of the "fling," since the TITLE of the thread contains the words "Sexual Assault." :(

I don't attribute that to your political views, but rather to the dismissive stance taken toward the abuse of women by men in power regardless of political affiliation.

Oh, and p.s., it wasn't just attempted ****. That's a lesser charge. The allegation is that he sodomized the woman. She went to the hospital. I hope it was just to collect evidence. If this happened as described, it must have been horrifying for the woman. Also it makes me wonder if this guy had done this sort of thing before.

I skimmed the title , and came up with a bad conclusion. I am not even going to enter a discussion about my stance towards sexual assault, that is a very low blow.

How the hell am I going to defend, lessen or be dissmisive of ****? This is absurd and even entering a discussion on the topic is insulting towards those who suffer.

It may well be that you are more of a "feminist" than me, that could well be. My main point was that the IMF is involved in much WORSE scandals than the **** of one women. It is involved in the financial **** of millions of women, children and men.

The **** of one women is abhorent, the **** of entire countries for me, is more dire.

I wish not to continue to talk about the **** issue, I just wanted to highlight that although this is a legitimate scandal, the bigger scandal is not often mentioned.

If you wish to discuss or talk about feminism or womens rights we can do that, but to put me in a position that I even have to mention that **** is bad is something I do not want to be a part of.

Claroo
05-15-2011, 05:09 PM
Don't know what to say about this...

I mean... We don't know at all what happened. If it is true, then, let justice do its work.

But I can't help to think that it is a bit TOO strange. Sure, he is well known for being a ladies' man and it is his weakness. But a sexual assault, WTF ?
The guy had great chances to become the next French President, now it is over for him. French politics are too rotten not to have a shadow of a doubt about that story. It is very, very, convenient for some people.

ibreak4coffee
05-15-2011, 06:01 PM
buddyholly dragging "socialists" into the fray again :worship:

buddyholly couldn't drag right-wing conservatives into this discussion, because that would only apply had the person in question tried to **** another man after spending his whole career telling the world about the evils of homosexuality.

buddyholly
05-15-2011, 08:50 PM
Pfloyd: If you meant me, I didn't call you a socialist. The alleged sodomist is the socialist.

I read the conclusion of that link, but honestly I could not determine if they concluded the IMF did good or bad in Latin America. They keep talking about promoting financial liberalization - that sounds good to me.

But I think you lost it in this thread when you kept insisting that nobody talks about IMF scandals. My search for IMF financial scandals yielded over 1,000,000 results. Surely there is enough reading there to keep you busy for a while. Only if news broke yesterday of a NEW IMF financial scandal would you have any sort of point.

buddyholly
05-15-2011, 08:54 PM
buddyholly couldn't drag right-wing conservatives into this discussion, because that would only apply had the person in question tried to **** another man after spending his whole career telling the world about the evils of homosexuality.

Only left-wing conservatives would do that.

But even allowing for that, who was accused of attempted **** of another man?


More seriously, this is indeed big news, in spite of Pfloyd claiming it isn't. If he did it, it will rank as one of the all time greatest "What was he thinking?" moments. And if he was set up, and he was the front runner against Sakorsky, well............................

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 01:39 AM
This is big news in France only.

JolánGagó
05-16-2011, 11:10 AM
it all smells fishy, and no, no pun intended.

nevenez
05-16-2011, 02:40 PM
Tried to **** a maid and then ran to a plane so fast he left his cell phone and personal affects behind in the room. How disgusting! NYC is full of call girls he could have hired one of them and did his filth. We all know he won't be charged or he will offer the poor girl more money than she makes in a year to keep quiet and say it was all a mistake.

buddyholly
05-16-2011, 03:15 PM
He has already been charged.

buddyholly
05-16-2011, 03:19 PM
it all smells fishy, and no, no pun intended.

Yes it was.

A Sarkozy spokesman has already said that the President would never do a thing like that.....................................so far ahead of the elections.

JolánGagó
05-16-2011, 03:20 PM
A socialist French fat cat, in NY of all places :spit: one can almost touch American delight at this...

buddyholly
05-16-2011, 03:45 PM
Killing three birds with one stone.

peribsen
05-16-2011, 07:26 PM
If the allegations are true, let him burn (though I've heard he could get up to 20 years, which maybe is too hefty a sentence, you get that for murder in many Western countries).

However, an accusation of sexual assault must be the oldest trick on the books to destroy a political opponent, hope the NY judges know their job and make sure this hasn't been constructed by third parties... like a woman being offered money to bring charges against Assange.

The alleged sodomist

What? Hadn't heard sodomy was involved, I'd only heard about attempted oral sex.

JolánGagó
05-16-2011, 07:51 PM
i've read sodomy, oral sex, attempted ****... i heard that he claims to have been eating with his daughter at the time of alleged events.

rotten fish.

ibreak4coffee
05-16-2011, 08:27 PM
There are more and more inconsistencies about the where and the what - the story is changing more often than in the aftermath of the Osama operation. Just weird stuff.

ibreak4coffee
05-16-2011, 08:28 PM
What? Hadn't heard sodomy was involved, I'd only heard about attempted oral sex.

The NY Post wrote that - our local tabloid. Their "news" usually isn't worth the paper its written on, except scandals in New York City, where they do have better sources than other papers. But they like to exaggerate and will print anything if it will sell more papers. Their fact-checking department is probably one guy who's asleep half the day

ibreak4coffee
05-16-2011, 09:32 PM
The defense is already pulling out the old "it was consensual" defense. How original.

He's clearly guilty

MayerFan
05-16-2011, 09:42 PM
Funny how a twitter account closely related with the UMP posted something about the arrest before the papers.

This smells very fishy. Set up alert.

tealeaves
05-17-2011, 12:49 AM
Fishy.

Chip_s_m
05-17-2011, 01:16 AM
i've read sodomy, oral sex, attempted ****... i heard that he claims to have been eating with his daughter at the time of alleged events.

rotten fish.



What? Hadn't heard sodomy was involved, I'd only heard about attempted oral sex.

The NY Post wrote that - our local tabloid. Their "news" usually isn't worth the paper its written on, except scandals in New York City, where they do have better sources than other papers. But they like to exaggerate and will print anything if it will sell more papers. Their fact-checking department is probably one guy who's asleep half the day

The legal definition of "sodomy" in many US states is "unnatural" sex, which in practice usually means oral and/or anal. So if he's accused of forcing her to perform oral on him then a charge of forced sodomy makes sense.

star
05-17-2011, 02:06 AM
If the allegations are true, let him burn (though I've heard he could get up to 20 years, which maybe is too hefty a sentence, you get that for murder in many Western countries).

However, an accusation of sexual assault must be the oldest trick on the books to destroy a political opponent, hope the NY judges know their job and make sure this hasn't been constructed by third parties... like a woman being offered money to bring charges against Assange.



What? Hadn't heard sodomy was involved, I'd only heard about attempted oral sex.

1. First time offenders rarely get the maximum sentence.

2. Depending on the state, sodomy may be defined as including oral sex.

I see there is another woman who came forward. Of course, some may see that as a pattern of behavior and others as opportunism. My first reaction on reading the initial story was to wonder how many times he had done this before.

buddyholly
05-17-2011, 04:09 AM
Now, if only he was running for President of Italy, everything would be hunky dory.

Chip's comment makes sense - that in law sodomy means just about anything that is not the missionary position. The first headlines were ''accused of sodomy'' but the article only described forced oral sex, so I was also confused.

buddyholly
05-17-2011, 04:22 AM
However, an accusation of sexual assault must be the oldest trick on the books to destroy a political opponent, hope the NY judges know their job and make sure this hasn't been constructed by third parties... like a woman being offered money to bring charges against Assange.





He stayed one night in the hotel for personal reasons, not on a scheduled business trip. The woman was a maid there for 3 years. It is hard to believe this could have been set up in advance.

And a report tonight says that the police were able to catch up with him on the plane when he called the Sofitel from the airport and asked about recovering the cell phone he left in the room. Oooops!

ibreak4coffee
05-17-2011, 04:25 AM
There's another report he only booked the trip to New York on May 12 - hardly enough time then to get a whole conspiracy set up.

Another French paper is reporting that he has a fetish for maids in high-end hotels.

This whole thing is ridiculous

MariusD
05-17-2011, 01:33 PM
Strauss-Kahn supported the bailouts of Greece, Ireland and Portugal. And he was about to talk about another bailout for Greece. That didn't suit other Europeans' interests like the Germans, or the Finnish, or many others. Plus, he was Sarkozy's main opponent. I'm not saying it's a set up, but there are pretty good reasons to think so. Like in Assange's case, it seems this sexual abuse accusation is enough to take away public support from anyone, no matter how powerful.

peribsen
05-17-2011, 05:19 PM
The more one reads the papers, the more credible it all sounds. In these cases, I usually make a point of keeping an open mind and trying to imagine what it must feel like if the accused happens to be innocent. So I won't burn him yet... but it does seem like if it could really be a case of rich&powerful alpha male thinking he can get away with anything.

Kat_YYZ
05-18-2011, 02:02 AM
There's another report he only booked the trip to New York on May 12 - hardly enough time then to get a whole conspiracy set up.

Another French paper is reporting that he has a fetish for maids in high-end hotels.

This whole thing is ridiculous

at $3000 per night he must have thought she was "included".
Who knows what goes through the minds of people who would actually pay that (yes, even if they can afford to).

ibreak4coffee
05-18-2011, 08:55 PM
I love how the French political class and journalists are outraged - just outraged! - that pictures were taken of Strass-Kaun in handcuffs, but they have had no problems outing the name of the accuser and chasing her family and friends for information about her, went to the Sofitel to dig up dirt on her, and are taking shots at the American judicial system, conveniently leaving out the fact that had this happened in France, it would have been swept under the rug and everyone would have patted themselves on the back for doing so.

Stay classy France...

Claroo
05-18-2011, 10:02 PM
I love how the French political class and journalists are outraged - just outraged! - that pictures were taken of Strass-Kaun in handcuffs, but they have had no problems outing the name of the accuser and chasing her family and friends for information about her, went to the Sofitel to dig up dirt on her, and are taking shots at the American judicial system, conveniently leaving out the fact that had this happened in France, it would have been swept under the rug and everyone would have patted themselves on the back for doing so.

Stay classy France...

No, if he had ***** a woman in France, I don't think it would have been hushed up. People think that the French are loose on that kind of stories, but no. Everybody knew that Strauss-Kahn had lots of extramarital affairs, that he couldn't help seducing women, and they just didn't care because private life is meant to be private.
Of course, once it goes against law, things are different...

And yes, your are right, some people are "outraged" by the pictures. First, because in France, there is a law that forbids newspapers to show photos of people in handcuffs if they have not been found guilty and sentenced yet: so showing these pictures just means that for the judges, he is already guilty, these are very "violent" pictures for the French.
And secondly because our judicial system is quite different from the American one : the procuror doesn't try the find evidence only against the accused, the whole procedure is more "discreet". Here, it seems that everything has already been decided, not once we have heard his version of the story.
I have read the French newspapers quite carfully for the last few days, and I found nothing more that what is already in the Amercan of British newaspapers, so I doubt that the French journalists are the only ones who behave like you say.

And finally, it is a (really) huge shock for the French. The guy was basically our next president, a brillant mind. Everything seems so unbelievable. Some people just don't want to believe it. There a lots of dashed hopes, somes details of the story are quite strange, it makes people think he might have fallen into a trap. So yeah, people have mixed feelings on the subject.
But if enough evidence is brought to proove that he is guilty, don't expect them to show mercy.

peribsen
05-18-2011, 11:45 PM
Hope this doesn't develop into yet another tiresome case of "bashing the French"!

In France (as in much of Europe), people are often shocked by the pruddishness of the US. Issues like if a politician has an extramarital affair or ever visited a prostitute or smoked a joint belong in the private part of life and shouldn't be used politically, because they have very little to do with the capacity to carry out a public job. The idea that you can only trust someone if his (or her) private life is beyond repproach is, for many of us, extremely inmature (unless you are ready to go all the way and argue that Ike Eisenhower should have been deprived of his command in June 5th 1944 because he kept a lover... absurd!).

The above has absolutely nothing to do with being soft on criminal behaviour. I'm sure that if a fair trial establishes that this man forced a woman into non-consensual sex, the vast majority of the French will want him to burn.

MayerFan
05-19-2011, 12:01 AM
I love how the French political class and journalists are outraged - just outraged! - that pictures were taken of Strass-Kaun in handcuffs, but they have had no problems outing the name of the accuser and chasing her family and friends for information about her, went to the Sofitel to dig up dirt on her, and are taking shots at the American judicial system, conveniently leaving out the fact that had this happened in France, it would have been swept under the rug and everyone would have patted themselves on the back for doing so.

Stay classy France...

I don't think you are right, pardon my meddling.

It's a bit over-the-top that you think the French would be lenient with ****.

Arkulari
05-19-2011, 12:22 AM
Now the rumor is that there's AIDS involved :eek:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8521881/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-maid-lives-in-apartment-block-for-HIV-sufferers.html

buddyholly
05-19-2011, 12:54 AM
No, if he had ***** a woman in France, I don't think it would have been hushed up. People think that the French are loose on that kind of stories, but no. Everybody knew that Strauss-Kahn had lots of extramarital affairs, that he couldn't help seducing women, and they just didn't care because private life is meant to be private.
Of course, once it goes against law, things are different...

And yes, your are right, some people are "outraged" by the pictures. First, because in France, there is a law that forbids newspapers to show photos of people in handcuffs if they have not been found guilty and sentenced yet: so showing these pictures just means that for the judges, he is already guilty, these are very "violent" pictures for the French.
And secondly because our judicial system is quite different from the American one : the procuror doesn't try the find evidence only against the accused, the whole procedure is more "discreet". Here, it seems that everything has already been decided, not once we have heard his version of the story.
I have read the French newspapers quite carfully for the last few days, and I found nothing more that what is already in the Amercan of British newaspapers, so I doubt that the French journalists are the only ones who behave like you say.



Two points:

My newspaper says that French provincial papers are being much harder on S-K than the Paris ones. It notes that the Paris press has looked the other way for years when one of the establishment transgresses sexually. While this is OK, it suggests that people like S-K conclude that they can get away with more and more daring exploits, because nothing gets in the papers.

Being British I also think it harmful when an accused is shown publicly in cuffs. In Britain I still think they say ''a man is assisting authorities.'' Clearly in this case, it would be known in a few hours who the man was anyway. He couldn't just not show up in Germany and have nobody notice. And there is no point in suggesting that the press can not discuss the case, because such a law would be unconstitutional.
But then he was not displayed publicly any more than anybody else in the US. The difference is that the press is not usually interested. But this is the price public figures have to pay - they can't be treated any differently from every other anonymous foreigner in Riker Island awaiting trial.

Finally, S-K is free to have his lawyer give the public any version of the story he wants. However, it would be folly do do this, it could all backfire in court if they wanted a different defence. All I have read is that he said he was at lunch in a restaurant with his daughter at the time. If he can not back that up with credit card data and the restaurant reservation list, he is already in trouble.

star
05-19-2011, 02:26 AM
This is all very interesting, but what about the woman in France who says he attempted to force her into sex and she was talked out of bringing charges against him because he was a political ally of her parents (!).

Also I've read that this man predicted that someone would try to slander him with a story that he ***** someone in a car park. That's so odd. Why that particular prediction. It reminds me of how during his campaign for governor, Schwazeneger laughed off the story that he had fathered a love child, and lo and behold it was true.

buddyholly
05-19-2011, 02:58 AM
In France (as in much of Europe), people are often shocked by the pruddishness of the US. Issues like if a politician has an extramarital affair or ever visited a prostitute or smoked a joint belong in the private part of life and shouldn't be used politically, because they have very little to do with the capacity to carry out a public job. The idea that you can only trust someone if his (or her) private life is beyond repproach is, for many of us, extremely inmature

Just read an interesting column by Christopher Hitchins who says he is tired of hearing Europeans pretend to be sophisticated (especially the French) by claiming that Americans are so prudish by comparison to themselves. He cites the case of the quintessential alpha-male - President Kennedy, who was having lots of extra-marital sex while De Gaulle was being the ultimate prude. Then the US had Clinton, whose White House blowjobs would have been easily forgiven by the public, if he had not lied about it and tried to discredit Monica.
So two of the best liked and most respected US Presidents of the past 50 years were no prudes when it came to affairs. It hasn't hurt their popularity at all.

Mimi
05-19-2011, 03:12 AM
another proof that some people, even though has high status and good education, still has no brain sometimes

ibreak4coffee
05-19-2011, 03:27 AM
Thanks everyone for the negative rep :rolleyes:

Particularly those who took it upon themselves to twist my words, those who didn't understand what I said, and especially to the one poster who informed me Europeans are better :rolls:

With commentary like that no point in posting here.

Thank god for ignore lists.

star
05-19-2011, 03:41 PM
Just read an interesting column by Christopher Hitchins who says he is tired of hearing Europeans pretend to be sophisticated (especially the French) by claiming that Americans are so prudish by comparison to themselves. He cites the case of the quintessential alpha-male - President Kennedy, who was having lots of extra-marital sex while De Gaulle was being the ultimate prude. Then the US had Clinton, whose White House blowjobs would have been easily forgiven by the public, if he had not lied about it and tried to discredit Monica.
So two of the best liked and most respected US Presidents of the past 50 years were no prudes when it came to affairs. It hasn't hurt their popularity at all.

I just don't see what this case has to do with prudishness. It's about criminal behavior. Are women supposed to tolerate unwanted or violent sexual groping or assaults simply to show that we are not prudish? Is it sophisticated to wink and chuckle and say "men will be men?"

I don't think it's just France. In the U.S. it's often the woman who comes forward to expose the powerful man who is blamed and pilloried. The woman flirted and encouraged the behavior -- as if the man had not a single way of controlling himself and behaving honestly and loyally. Or if it is borderline criminal behavior, the woman is cast as an opportunistic liar. I don't know. Is it prudish to think that a man who has been married for years should be faithful and honest with his wife who is dying of cancer? Is it sophisticated to think that his fathering a child by another woman during that time is simply to be expected and nothing that should be used to judge his character?

another proof that some people, even though has high status and good education, still has no brain sometimes

Plus no compassion.

JolánGagó
05-19-2011, 04:23 PM
Is it prudish to think that a man who has been married for years should be faithful and honest with his wife who is dying of cancer? Is it sophisticated to think that his fathering a child by another woman during that time is simply to be expected and nothing that should be used to judge his character?

I don't know if it's prudish or sophisticated, but I know it's none of my business and there is no way I can have enough info to judge, hence I abstain from judging or otherwise interfering in private affairs blatantly not of my concern and far beyond my cognitive possibilities.

Most people feel much more comfortable on their high horses, oblivious to the fact they're nothing but fools on the hill.

Lee
05-19-2011, 06:33 PM
I don't know if it's prudish or sophisticated, but I know it's none of my business and there is no way I can have enough info to judge, hence I abstain from judging or otherwise interfering in private affairs blatantly not of my concern and far beyond my cognitive possibilities.

Most people feel much more comfortable on their high horses, oblivious to the fact they're nothing but fools on the hill.

When those people are political figures whose policies will affect me, it is MY business.

Getta
05-19-2011, 08:03 PM
God is often mentioned by American politicians, but almost never in Europe. is it seen as a tiny irrelevant story or is it seen as a hippopotamus?

buddyholly
05-19-2011, 09:08 PM
I just don't see what this case has to do with prudishness.

Neither do I. I was responding to a post about this case that said Europeans are often shocked by American prudishness in sexual matters.

nastoff
05-28-2011, 01:15 AM
Imagine the Greeks were stupid enough to enter the eurozone in the first place and then they had this guy taking care of their finances? They're doomed, I say.

Getta
05-28-2011, 01:49 AM
yeah we are doomed to deepen. he would have said more poignant and resonant things than someone else that would be feeling removed in the various persisting circumstances mentioned above.

Kat_YYZ
05-28-2011, 02:59 AM
This is not relevant to the actual case, but I found it on Yahoo news "most emailed photos"
and thought I'd share a laugh here:
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/reu/d/2011%5C145%5C2011-05-25T221653Z_01_NYK307_RTRIDSP_0_STRAUSSKAHN.jpg
A man with a cat on his head walks outside 71 Broadway in lower Manhattan where former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn is living under house arrest in New York City -- May 25, 2011

:spit:

Jimnik
05-29-2011, 05:21 AM
Weird, I thought Strauss-Kahn was German.

IMF should get a South Korean director.

JolánGagó
07-05-2011, 04:41 PM
Case crumbling, apparently DSK is to be released uncharged soon.

peribsen
07-05-2011, 10:59 PM
The more one reads the papers, the more credible it all sounds. In these cases, I usually make a point of keeping an open mind and trying to imagine what it must feel like if the accused happens to be innocent. So I won't burn him yet... but it does seem like if it could really be a case of rich&powerful alpha male thinking he can get away with anything.

Well , not too elegant to quote oneself, but at least I tried to be fair and maybe, just maybe, I won't have to feel ashamed for it.

BigJohn
07-07-2011, 12:15 AM
There is also a French case about an 8 year old incident. Another she said / he said thing, and that one should be pretty fast to debunk also as this article explains (from Slate)

http://www.slate.com/id/2298425/

Mimi
07-07-2011, 08:54 AM
so who told lies, the man or the woman :confused: