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The UFO phenomenon

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 02:57 AM
This actually quite fascinating stuff!
Not nearly as ludicrous, unsubstantiated and easily dismissable as one might expect.

Belgian UFO wave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7psGj4M1ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDPxJxFNlvE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-_9_IKGkqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4JsPSKYypk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLxZ5wxxLMY

Out of the Blue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBRX2OwnfY8

I Know What I Saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIeGeE0uDJg

Riddle of the Skies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RrgrHAyRv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy-3nSW9rbQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDJRqJOKK5w

Disclosure Conference, National Press Club, 27 September 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

National Press Club 2007 UFOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhPdCHYIS0

Twelve Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously
http://keyholepublishing.com/Leading-UFO-Documents.html

The COMETA Report
http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_part1.pdf
http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_part2.pdf

Leslie Kean discusses her book - 'UFOs: Generals, pilots and government officials go on the record'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh0ByBkhEtQ

abraxas21
05-07-2011, 03:00 AM
im not gonna watch all those. could you point me the best one?

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 03:14 AM
im not gonna watch all those. could you point me the best one?

No.

fast_clay
05-07-2011, 03:37 AM
Project Tatra: The Slovakia Artifact - The Mystery Artifact in a Slovakian Cave

"I froze in amazement - there stands something like a large, black silo framed in white limestone formations. It is a glass- smooth flank of a seemingly man-made structure. Even the thought of a tower-sized artifact embedded in rock in the middle of an obscure mountain is bewildering." - Antonin T. Horak diary - October 23, 1944

Centre for Physical Trace Research is spearheading Project Tatra to locate a mystery structure/artifact/device found in a cave at the Tatra mountains in Slovakia by Tony Horak during World War II.

buddyholly
05-07-2011, 03:55 AM
Yes it is as ludicrous, easily dismissable and unsubstantiated as one might expect.

Believing in alien beings (on earth) is as stupid as believing in supernatural beings.

I got through the first 10 minutes of the Edgar Mitchell video. He told us to make no mistake that we were being visited by aliens and then rambled on about how the sun was going to burn out and we had to save our species.................
Thrilling stuff indeed!!!!!!!!!!

buddyholly
05-07-2011, 04:12 AM
Project Tatra: The Slovakia Artifact - The Mystery Artifact in a Slovakian Cave

"I froze in amazement - there stands something like a large, black silo framed in white limestone formations. It is a glass- smooth flank of a seemingly man-made structure. Even the thought of a tower-sized artifact embedded in rock in the middle of an obscure mountain is bewildering." - Antonin T. Horak diary - October 23, 1944

Centre for Physical Trace Research is spearheading Project Tatra to locate a mystery structure/artifact/device found in a cave at the Tatra mountains in Slovakia by Tony Horak during World War II.

Sounds like a basaltic dike. Too bad he was too dumbstruck by his discovery to chip off a sample. But then there would be no mystery............

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 04:12 AM
Yes it is as ludicrous, easily dismissable and unsubstantiated as one might expect.

Believing in alien beings (on earth) is as stupid as believing in supernatural beings.

I'm guessing you didn't watch any of the videos linked above? You could start with the first four. What part of groundbased and airbased radar observing an object (that was seen and described by hundreds or thousands of witnesses) accelerate at 40g each time an intercepting F-16 had missile lock on is ludicrous and easily dismissable?

It's only stupid if you assume that it's physically impossible to travel at supraluminal speeds.

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 04:15 AM
I got through the first 10 minutes of the Edgar Mitchell video. He told us to make no mistake that we were being visited by aliens and then rambled on about how the sun was going to burn out and we had to save our species.................
Thrilling stuff indeed!!!!!!!!!!

No, he said multiple military personel in Roswell confessed to him that the crashed craft was extra terrestial.

He's not some random clown. :rolleyes:

ibreak4coffee
05-07-2011, 04:21 AM
When a UFO lands in the middle of Tokyo, Paris, New York, or even Perth, then I'll believe it. Till then all the "evidence" is complete rubbish.

buddyholly
05-07-2011, 04:24 AM
No, he said multiple military personel in Roswell confessed to him that the crashed craft was extra terrestial.

He's not some random clown. :rolleyes:

I think ''whispered in my ear'' was the term he used. But he did not let us in on any details. But details are alien to UFO buffs - they get in the way of the story.

I also liked the bit where he told us that the local undertaker made the coffins for the aliens. Were they given a Christian burial, I wonder? Which raises the question of whether Jesus died for just our earthly sins - or for the universe's sins. But that is another thread.
All this ultra high secrecy from the Army and then someone calls the local undertaker to order some coffins for the dead aliens.:rolls:

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 04:31 AM
The point is, you have lots and lots of seemingly very credible and sensible people in the military or, in Mitchell's case, NASA testifying that the phenomenon is absolutely real, in addition to radar recordings tracking objects going from stationary to thousands of mph in seconds. You'd have to be a close-minded fool to just dismiss those testimonies without pause.

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 04:32 AM
You people are so arrogant! :ras:

Seingeist
05-07-2011, 06:01 AM
Believing in alien beings (on earth) is as stupid as believing in supernatural beings.

Please cure yourself of this disrespectful nonsense; it is beneath you and it makes you look rather foolish. I could easily compile a list of hundreds of individuals (living and dead) who believe(d) in supernatural beings and who are quite a bit more intelligent than the both of us combined. It is not a matter of "smart" or "stupid" and I think that you know better.

More on-topic, sorry Mjau, but I definitely fall on the skeptical side of things when it comes to UFO's and extra-terrestrials. Of course, I see no reason to rule it out on principle (it is not as though we could demonstrate some logical impossibility of aliens or UFO's), but the topic is such a magnet for sensationalism, kooks, and hoaxes that it is difficult to approach any "evidence" for it with a truly open mind. Even in cases where we skeptics might concede that the proffered "evidence" is out-of-the-ordinary (strange radar readings, for example), we are likely to prefer a more mundane explanation of the facts.

I wonder why you have developed an interest in this subject, Mjau? Do you find yourself inclined to believe that there is "intelligent life" elsewhere in the physical universe? And if so, why?

peribsen
05-07-2011, 01:05 PM
Do you find yourself inclined to believe that there is "intelligent life" somewhere in the physical universe?

Corrected, lest you mean that mankind can somehow still be described as "intelligent" despite its past record of incomparable stupidity and blunder.

buddyholly
05-07-2011, 02:10 PM
Please cure yourself of this disrespectful nonsense; it is beneath you and it makes you look rather foolish.

"Foolish'' is fine here. I tailor my posts to the topic.

Lopez
05-07-2011, 04:21 PM
Believing in alien beings (on earth) is as stupid as believing in supernatural beings.

The (on Earth) being the key part here.

It is quite possible that there exists life in some remote location of the universe given the vastness of it, so it's not as unfounded as belief in ghosts and other supernatural things, however if one thinks that they've actually visited Earth, that's ridiculous since other planets with possible life are so far away.

buddyholly
05-07-2011, 05:51 PM
That is why I felt the need to put (on earth) in brackets. The difference between the odds of other life forms in the universe and the odds of aliens being among us is...... well, infinite.

Mjau!
05-07-2011, 06:20 PM
Please cure yourself of this disrespectful nonsense; it is beneath you and it makes you look rather foolish. I could easily compile a list of hundreds of individuals (living and dead) who believe(d) in supernatural beings and who are quite a bit more intelligent than the both of us combined. It is not a matter of "smart" or "stupid" and I think that you know better.

More on-topic, sorry Mjau, but I definitely fall on the skeptical side of things when it comes to UFO's and extra-terrestrials. Of course, I see no reason to rule it out on principle (it is not as though we could demonstrate some logical impossibility of aliens or UFO's), but the topic is such a magnet for sensationalism, kooks, and hoaxes that it is difficult to approach any "evidence" for it with a truly open mind. Even in cases where we skeptics might concede that the proffered "evidence" is out-of-the-ordinary (strange radar readings, for example), we are likely to prefer a more mundane explanation of the facts.

I wonder why you have developed an interest in this subject, Mjau? Do you find yourself inclined to believe that there is "intelligent life" elsewhere in the physical universe? And if so, why?

I developed an interest because I realized that it's not just tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs going on and on about reptilians and shapeshifters or rednecks claiming they were abducted and their cattle were mutilated and whatnot. These are pilots, radar observers, miliary personel, astronauts, high ranking generals and people who were in charge of America's nuclear warheads. These are, in several cases, well documented incidents with airborne radar contact, ground based radar contact, missile lock on, airborne visual sightings and groundbased visual sightings. Incidents that are inexplicable. The truth is very different from the public perception and the phenomenon should be taken seriously.

Given that there is an estimated 300 sextillion stars in the observable universe and that recent data indicates that most stars have planets, I would say it's more than likely that we are not alone... I don't know whether we have been visited but people who simply dismiss the possibility do so because of fixed beliefs.

The (on Earth) being the key part here.

It is quite possible that there exists life in some remote location of the universe given the vastness of it, so it's not as unfounded as belief in ghosts and other supernatural things, however if one thinks that they've actually visited Earth, that's ridiculous since other planets with possible life are so far away.

Like I said, it's only unlikely if it's physically impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. Now, first of all, every theory preceeding Einstein's theory of relativity was flawed and incomplete. It's a bit arrogant to assume that special relativity is the absolute truth. It's merely the best theory around at this time, it's not gospel and might turn out to be nothing more than less incomplete and less flawed than it's predecessors. Secondly, multiple loopholes to this speed limit that are compatible with GR have been proposed. It is far from an indisputable fact that travelling X lightyears must take >X years.

Blackbriar
05-07-2011, 06:37 PM
So all of you are saying aliens never came to earth? so, how do you explain Michael Jackson?

buddyholly
05-14-2011, 02:06 AM
Given that there is an estimated 300 sextillion stars in the observable universe and that recent data indicates that most stars have planets, I would say it's more than likely that we are not alone... I don't know whether we have been visited but people who simply dismiss the possibility do so because of fixed beliefs.





The possibility of other life in the universe is huge. The possibility of earth having been visited by aliens is just about non-existent. These two topics do not belong in the same discussion.

As for people dismissing the probability of having been ''visited'', it is not a matter of fixed beliefs, but a matter of not a shred of evidence.