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Major = Olympic Gold = 3 Masters Shields?

stewietennis
03-24-2011, 04:20 AM
How would you compare winning a Major to winning a Masters Title to winning the end of year WTF to winning Olympic Gold? If Player A wins 3 Majors; Player B wins 1 Olympic Gold; Player C wins 10 Masters Titles and Player D wins the World Tour Finals twice; would they all be on equal footing?

Would you say winning three Masters Titles equates winning one Major? Majors are held for two weeks with 1 day break in between, Masters are more compacted. Majors have more points but Masters are just a tier below. Both normally get the same amount of elite players. Arguably Majors are more prestigious because there's only four of them a year; but then an Olympic Gold should be at least 10 times as valued because there's only one every four years.

Johnny Groove
03-24-2011, 04:22 AM
Ask Nicolas Massu, Gaston Gaudio, and Andy Murray.

paseo
03-24-2011, 04:30 AM
I'll have 3 slams, please. Thank you :)

GlennMirnyi
03-24-2011, 04:34 AM
No.

v-money
03-24-2011, 04:41 AM
Major > Olympic Gold >> 3 Masters Shields, in my opinion.

Voo de Mar
03-24-2011, 04:41 AM
Major > Olympics > World Tour Finals > Masters Titles

I don't know how many Masters titles would be an equivalent for a major. Depends on the criteria we would take into the consideration. Taking into account the ranking points, only 2 Masters are an equivalent of one major.

alfonsojose
03-24-2011, 04:58 AM
Ask Nicolas Massu, Gaston Gaudio, and Andy Murray.
:yeah: Exactly. A major is a major.

tennishero
03-24-2011, 04:59 AM
Maybe if they still had 5 setter masters

alfonsojose
03-24-2011, 05:02 AM
Olympics are nothing, like DC

Mjau!
03-24-2011, 05:09 AM
The olympics is an MM-event in tennis history.

abraxas21
03-24-2011, 05:10 AM
Maybe if they still had 5 setter masters

there never were 5 set MS. Only five set finals

abraxas21
03-24-2011, 05:11 AM
and honestly, the olyimpics are similar to a masters in terms of difficulty and format.

main difference is that it only happens once every 4 years so it's special.

NadalYoung
03-24-2011, 05:17 AM
Major>Olympic Gold>3 Masters IMHO

viruzzz
03-24-2011, 05:20 AM
To have so many masters and 0 slams is a possibility.
In that case 1 Major > x Masters. Always.

The OG and WTF are different and cool tournaments to have. Like a plus.

navy75
03-24-2011, 05:36 AM
Agree with the posts above. 1 Grand Slam is better than 100 Master's titles, and an Olympic Gold is probably equal to 5-10 Master's titles.

Pirata.
03-24-2011, 05:56 AM
Slam > WTF > Masters

Olympics are every four years with not much history, so it's hard to measure their importance.

BIGMARAT
03-24-2011, 07:52 AM
Major=Olympics=3YE=10Masters

Olympic only happens every 4 years and thats what makes it extra special plus bringing your country's pride.

why would I say this? If a player was able to win 10 masters its only those unlucky draw that is preventing him from winning a major.

3 YEC- you beat the top 8 players in the world 3 times? its a milestone!!

abraxas21
03-24-2011, 08:20 AM
you guys are strange

theres no way a major equals even 5 MS.

Nixer
03-24-2011, 08:26 AM
Major > 6 Masters (let's say 6, Murray's current number)
Olympic Gold ≈ 2 Masters (for me)

Apophis
03-24-2011, 11:06 AM
Slam = 2 Olympic Golds = 5 WTF = 13 M1000

ExcaliburII
03-24-2011, 11:15 AM
Slam >>> Davis Cup >>>> Olympic Gold >>>>>>>World Tour Finals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Masters Series.

I wouldnt change a slam, no matter how many TMS you give me.

tnosugar
03-24-2011, 01:18 PM
Olympics are nothing, like DC

depends on the player. olympics and dc obviously mean more to Nadal and Djokovic than to Federer.

Djokovic was heart-broken when he lost the SF in Beijing vs Nadal, more than on any other occasion. He loves playing for his country.

Olympics are valuable because they are rare, you have two or three shots in your career at most to make something there. This is what puts them right behind the majors in my opinion.

DC is a team event, so there is no comparison.

Orka_n
03-24-2011, 01:35 PM
Slams > WTF >> Olympics > Masters Shield.

Lopez
03-24-2011, 02:19 PM
WTF is more prestigious than the Olympics, so is Davis Cup (though it's a bit different since it's a team effort).

Olympics are special for the athlete point of view but they don't mean much for a players legacy. E.g. who is a greater player, Fernando Gonzales or Nicolas Massu? Massu won OG in singles but Gonzo's career is a lot better, as is Andy Murray's who has yet to win a Slam as well.

Matt01
03-24-2011, 03:16 PM
Slam > Olympics = WTF > Masters

1 Slam = 10 WTF/Olmypics
1 Slam = 100 Masters

Hope it's clear now.

Shade
03-24-2011, 04:04 PM
Major > Year End Championships > Olympics > Masters

The Olympics and Masters are basically the same; only thing that makes the Olympics more valuable is that it's only every four years.

Lleyton_
03-24-2011, 04:45 PM
Olympic gold in tennis is overrated. VERY overrated.

FiBeR
03-24-2011, 05:21 PM
Slam > Olympics = WTF > Masters

1 Slam = 10 WTF/Olmypics
1 Slam = 100 Masters

Hope it's clear now.

:eek: you d have to be winning Olympics in your 60s to equal a slam

barbadosan
03-24-2011, 05:39 PM
I agree as a personal bragging right, the Olympics gold is good, but in the case of tennis, where it IS possible for someone to have a good, fortunate run at the Olympics, and nothing much else to show for their career, it would seem, in that context, very overrated. (Massu comes to mind - I mean, who talks about Massu in terms of being a world beater, and yet he's got OG - you seriously going to rate him above Fed, Sampras, even Djoko and Murray, or alongside Nadal just because they each have one?

For tennis, OG will always be an anomaly, not only because of being once every 4 years, but its very history: at the Olympics from 1896-1924; then a no-show for almost 70 years, and back from 1988 to present which is just 20 odd years - and who knows when some bods will get it into their heads again to dump it from the Olympic slate?

barbadosan
03-24-2011, 05:42 PM
YEC is overrated. No 5 set final and you can lose 2 matches but win the whole thing.

So the majority of YEC's which had 5-set finals also fall into your line of thinking? And you dismiss the totally different, consistent higher level of competition in playing the best 7 in the world besides yourself? No rabbit No. 129's in the mix

sennoc
03-24-2011, 05:53 PM
1 Nadal' s title = 2 Federer's titles

That's what really counts on MTF.

Silvester
03-24-2011, 05:58 PM
hard to compare. Every players ultimate goal would be to win a Major of course, but is more difficult because top players seem to step it up a notch, and more matches to win in best of 5.

There's a limit though, I wouldn't say a player rather have 1 Wimby instead of 100 Masters, that player would probably be better remembered for having won 100 masters than 1 wimby.

rocketassist
03-24-2011, 06:09 PM
Slam >> Davis Cup >> WTF >> Olympics >> AMS

AMS titles have been degraded anyway in the last couple of years.

iriraz
03-24-2011, 06:10 PM
We`ve seen it in the past where top players skipped olympics to play a 250 event in Washington to prepare better for Us Open.Ask Roddick or Hewitt.

rocketassist
03-24-2011, 06:19 PM
We`ve seen it in the past where top players skipped olympics to play a 250 event in Washington to prepare better for Us Open.Ask Roddick or Hewitt.

Both of them had pretty good US Opens as well.

samanosuke
03-24-2011, 07:07 PM
WTF >>>> Olympics

Massu is Olympic winner who didn't get even a chance to participate at WTF . Olympics can be fluked , WTF not

rocketassist
03-24-2011, 07:57 PM
I dont like the concept of losing a match and winning the tournament. And there are not always top players, like when Nalbandian won.

Nalbandian was a top player :confused:

OnyxRose
03-24-2011, 09:25 PM
Olympic gold in tennis is overrated. VERY overrated.

The only honest post in this thread. No one gives a crap about a tennis gold in the Olympics. Even a basketball gold medal is worth more.

shiaben
03-24-2011, 09:31 PM
Major > Olympics > World Tour Finals > Masters Titles

I don't know how many Masters titles would be an equivalent for a major. Depends on the criteria we would take into the consideration. Taking into account the ranking points, only 2 Masters are an equivalent of one major.

This.

Majors are the most important titles in tennis. The best of the best are defined by their success in majors.

Olympics out weight WTF in this case. Intrinsic motivation (representing your nation) gives players higher levels of confidence, self-esteem, and motivation to practice well and perform strong at the Olympics. WTF offers more prize money than Masters, so this has higher levels of extrinsic motivation, not to mention, because you are playing with the top 8, you are MORE motivated to exert your finest tennis to get some serious respect in addition to that prize money. So it has both greater extrinsic motivation (prize money in the rounds), and greater intrinsic motivation (competing against the best).

AnnaK_4ever
03-24-2011, 09:34 PM
Andy Murray > Gaston Gaudio > Nicolas Massu

shiaben
03-24-2011, 09:34 PM
WTF >>>> Olympics

Massu is Olympic winner who didn't get even a chance to participate at WTF . Olympics can be fluked , WTF not

Massu was an average tennis player, who go what he deserved. He put in lots of effort, and it paid off. Anything goes at the olympics. It's unpredictable. Sometimes the main guys win, other times people choke or there are upsets, because of the motivation of representing your nation.

A great example was Argentina owning the U.S. National Basketball team.

Still one of the greatest moments at the Olympics, because a bunch of athletic Black men were pawned by an physically weaker and lesser experienced team led by the star Ginobli who proved intelligence can outweigh strength.

AnnaK_4ever
03-24-2011, 09:41 PM
WTF >>>> Olympics

Massu is Olympic winner who didn't get even a chance to participate at WTF . Olympics can be fluked , WTF not

One can win WTF despite losing 2 matches.

samanosuke
03-24-2011, 09:53 PM
One can win WTF despite losing 2 matches.

but can't get there with week or two of good tennis

AnnaK_4ever
03-24-2011, 10:02 PM
but can't get there with week or two of good tennis

No, but one can get there by whoring up all MMs in sight and doing virtually nothing at the bigger events. See Del Potro in 2008.

MalwareDie
03-24-2011, 11:32 PM
GS > WTF > MS > Olympic Gold

ChinoRios4Ever
03-25-2011, 12:56 AM
GS > Davis Cup >>> Olympics > WTF >>>>>>>>>>> MS

Mjau!
03-25-2011, 03:03 AM
One can win WTF despite losing 2 matches.

This is why the YEC should be best of 5 and knock-out format all the way to restore some of its lost prestige.

Mjau!
03-25-2011, 03:28 AM
The olympics isn't that big a deal for most players anyway. Nole only cared so much because he's very nationalistic and wanted to win for Serbia and Rogie because he wants to win everything, the greedy hog.

samjones
03-25-2011, 04:00 AM
3 clay court masters = Roland Garros [almost] = Miami.

Mjau!
03-25-2011, 04:07 AM
Major > Bercy > YEC > Olympics/other Masters

Paris Bercy is special because of the fast surface and balls which makes it really stand out!

alfonsojose
03-26-2011, 04:45 AM
Olympics are for track and field, swimming, etc. Big sports like soccer, tennis are not for olympics.

samjones
03-26-2011, 05:01 AM
Olympics are for track and field, swimming, etc. Big sports like soccer, tennis are not for olympics.

Ice Hockey. That's the only one.

How about this - Major > Olympic Gold > WTF Champion > Masters Shield > anything David Ferrer ever got.

Josh23
07-15-2011, 03:53 PM
Winning Olympic gold is a big deal too. Some of the players like to skip the Olympics, but some others are waiting for them enthusiastically. Federer for example, he's considered one of the best of all times, he got gold last olympics http://www.olympic.org/tennis-doubles-men he even met his wife at the Sidney 2000 Olympics. how about Nadal and Djocovic? They've been playing too.
I think Tennis is for the olympics too.

yellowboy906
07-15-2011, 05:19 PM
Agree with the posts above. 1 Grand Slam is better than 100 Master's titles, and an Olympic Gold is probably equal to 5-10 Master's titles.

you are wrong. 1 slam is better than 100 masters if you are a top player worthy of a slam. if you are a mug outside top 10, would you want to have 1 slam and people call you the worst one slam wonder ever. or would you want 100 masters so at least people gonna say you are a great player because you win time and time again. people can say that's a fluke win all they want if you get 1 slam. but they can't say sh*it if you have 100 masters cause you can't fluke win 100 masters title. you get what i am saying. :wavey:

Pirata.
07-15-2011, 07:32 PM
If we count Davis Cup, do we count doubles (mixed doubles next year) Olympic gold as well, since they are both team competitions? I don't know if Davis Cup should count--any player could get called up to one tie, play a dead rubber and still win a DC trophy. Just being on the team will get you a trophy like it did with Granollers in 2008 despite him not playing in a single match, so some players get rewarded for sitting on the bench.

In doubles on the other hand, both partners have to work together to win.

Certinfy
07-15-2011, 08:15 PM
Grand Slam > Olympics > World Tour Finals > Davis Cup > Masters 1000

MIMIC
07-15-2011, 08:21 PM
I'd trade 30 Masters for 1 major :)

I'd trade 2 Masters for an Olympic gold though.

yellowboy906
07-15-2011, 08:41 PM
I'd trade 30 Masters for 1 major :)

I'd trade 2 Masters for an Olympic gold though.

so that people can call you a one slam wonder?:sad:

alfonsojose
07-15-2011, 08:53 PM
Gaudio always will be a one slam wonder. Massu? Olympics are just a B+ thing in tennis.

SerialKillerToBe
07-15-2011, 08:56 PM
It's a shame that Masters titles aren't given more prestige.

Novak this year had much less trouble winning his 2 slams compared to the masters he won where he had difficulty in a few of his matches.

orionmax
07-15-2011, 09:06 PM
Olympics is way overrated. Not many tennis players care about it. Athletics is the main competition in olympics.

Pipsy
07-15-2011, 10:02 PM
I imagine Andy Murray would trade his 6 MS titles for just 1 Grand Slam. Having said this, I imagine in 20 years, Andy Murray will be remembered as a better player than Gaston Gaudio. However, in 100 years, when these players are no longer in living memory, Gaudio will probably be seen as a better player due to winning that one Grand Slam.

Also, I think a WTF is harder to win than the Olympics, doesn't necessarily mean it's worth more to the players though...

asmazif
07-15-2011, 10:06 PM
I'd definitely take 100MS over a slam if I was to only end up with one slam in my career, just for the ridiculous freak record :lol:

But if I already had a slam, then I would trade any amount of MS for another, intriguingly :p

MIMIC
07-15-2011, 10:17 PM
so that people can call you a one slam wonder?:sad:

I'm saying if I had 30 Masters and no slams I'd trade for it.

nobama
07-15-2011, 10:47 PM
Grand Slam > Olympics > World Tour Finals > Davis Cup > Masters 1000

So Nicolas Massu winning Olympic gold in singles is > than RF or ND winning World Tour Finals? :bs:

Pirata.
07-15-2011, 10:50 PM
Olympics is way overrated. Not many tennis players care about it. Athletics is the main competition in olympics.

Plus gymnastics.

So Nicolas Massu winning Olympic gold in singles is > than RF or ND winning World Tour Finals? :bs:

This.

Sunset of Age
07-15-2011, 10:58 PM
whatever folks will make of it, there's just ONE thing that counts most of all in tennis. The # of slams won.
Everything else is 'just' a fringe benefit. :shrug:

# of, respectively, - GS Titles > WTF titles > Olympics (Gold) Medals > Masters 1000's > Davis Cup.

IMHO. :shrug:

yellowboy906
07-15-2011, 11:04 PM
I'm saying if I had 30 Masters and no slams I'd trade for it.

you would trade those masters away so that people can start calling you a one slam wonder. let's put it this way, i'd rather have a murray's career over gaudio or tomas johansson's career even if murray never win a grand slam. truth is, people respect murray as a player more than those scrub one slam wonder. i don't want my name in the "who's the worst one slam wonder of all time?" debate.

yesh222
07-15-2011, 11:37 PM
In theory I could think of ways that a lot of Masters titles would be worth more than a Slam. It depends on the career that goes with it. Someone with Nadal's 18 Masters (is it 19 now?) and 2 year-end #1s might trump Gaudio's and maybe Johanssen's 1 Slam. But almost always, 1 Slam is worth more than pretty much anything else.

SerialKillerToBe
07-15-2011, 11:40 PM
you would trade those masters away so that people can start calling you a one slam wonder. let's put it this way, i'd rather have a murray's career over gaudio or tomas johansson's career even if murray never win a grand slam. truth is, people respect murray as a player more than those scrub one slam wonder. i don't want my name in the "who's the worst one slam wonder of all time?" debate.

Nobody's going to remember Mugray in a hundred years.

GOAT = Fed
07-15-2011, 11:48 PM
Major>World tour finals>Masters>Olympic.

Seems the only reason the olympics gets any hype whatsoever is because Nadal won it.

Gagsquet
07-15-2011, 11:58 PM
you would trade those masters away so that people can start calling you a one slam wonder. let's put it this way, i'd rather have a murray's career over gaudio or tomas johansson's career even if murray never win a grand slam. truth is, people respect murray as a player more than those scrub one slam wonder. i don't want my name in the "who's the worst one slam wonder of all time?" debate.

Nobody's going to remember Mugray in a hundred years.

Wrong I don't like him but he will be remembered as a great player. First quote gets the truth

Capuccino
07-16-2011, 12:14 AM
IMO Grand Slam > Davis Cup > Olimpics > WTF > Masters

Solista
07-16-2011, 01:24 AM
whatever folks will make of it, there's just ONE thing that counts most of all in tennis. The # of slams won.
Everything else is 'just' a fringe benefit. :shrug:

# of, respectively, - GS Titles > WTF titles > Olympics (Gold) Medals > Masters 1000's > Davis Cup.

IMHO. :shrug:

THIS !

yellowboy906
07-16-2011, 03:02 AM
Nobody's going to remember Mugray in a hundred years.

i'd rather people not remembering me than always be in the coversation of "who's the worst one slam wonder of all time?". even if people still remember gaudio and johansson in a 100 years, they will only be remembered for their fluke win and people will laugh their ass off at how they win slam.

zlaja777
07-16-2011, 03:06 AM
GS > Olympics > DC > WTF > Masters.

I'm sure Federer and Djokovic would choose singles Olympic gold in London 2012 over a Major except maybe Wimbledon.

nobama
07-16-2011, 03:37 AM
Olympics is way overrated. Not many tennis players care about it. Athletics is the main competition in olympics.No professional sports should be in the Olympics. But now they're adding golf in 2016. :facepalm:

Pirata.
07-16-2011, 06:46 AM
IMO Grand Slam > Davis Cup > Olimpics > WTF > Masters

Granollers with a Davis Cup trophy > Soderling with a Masters? :confused:

Massu with an Olympic gold > Federer with a WTF title? :confused:

Would Federer trade his French Open title for an Olympic singles gold, or would Nadal trade his US Open title for a Masters Cup title? I doubt it.

thegreendestiny
07-16-2011, 11:02 AM
Depending on the country you're from but generally:

Major > Olympic gold >>>>>>> masters shield

Jaz
07-16-2011, 11:13 AM
The Olympics and DC are useless.

The Olympics is pretty lame. Lets consider winners: The only notable are Agassi and Nadal.

Nadull_tard
07-16-2011, 11:18 AM
Grand Slam >> WTF >> MS1000 >> DC >> Olympics

People started to count Olympic Gold in as a huge achievement right after Beijing 2008, using it as an argument in the useless GOAT debate.

Chirag
07-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Olympics are way over rated in my opinion .I would definately prefer a masters title to it .Only players who care for olympics are Federer and Djokovic .Roddick skipped it if I remember correctly .

It would be like this

Major>WTF>Masters>Olympics

Echoes
07-16-2011, 12:58 PM
In my own personal system:

GS tournaments are the reference

The ratio for other tournaments are:

Masters: 0.5 (I'm talking about what I'll always call THE Masters but for you it's YEC or something like that)
"Series" events: 0.33
Olympics and every other event: 0.17
Davis Cup: unclassifiable.


Yeah the Olympics are just like any other events. And if you want my opinion I would very much like this shit tournament to be removed from the calendar every four years or at least reserved for juniors/amateurs, just like in 1984.

nalbyfan
07-16-2011, 01:58 PM
Goat cheese played DC vs Portugal to be authorized to play OG so it must be very important for sportsmen.
The fact it happens only every 4 years makes it special I guess

Kworb
07-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Slam = Olympic Gold > WTF >>>>> MS >>>>>>>>>>> Davis Cup

1 Slam = 1 Olympic Gold = 2 WTF = 8 MS

Boris Franz Ecker
07-16-2011, 04:29 PM
A player wants to make money an it's better to be 5 years in top 10 than to win a grand slam title and then disappear forever like some french open winners.
the top players make more money and are even more remembered than one-slam wonders.
Winning 3 masters series titles means usually playing a lot of years at top level.
And that makes usually a better career than one-slam-wonders.
It depends.

MaxPower
07-16-2011, 05:10 PM
Olympic gold is a nice if you have won everything else. It's like winning your home country championship, it's a nice treat for the fans in your home country. Was very obvious with Federer when he won his in doubles. He really wanted if for his swiss fans.

As a player that hasn't won everything prize money is a big factor. 3 Masters is a shitload of money, so is the slams. Winning the WTF then you have by definition likely been up in the ranking and won a few titles/been to finals in majors for the year so WTF is more like the extra cream on top of a good season

In short prize money and ranking points tells the story


DC I think it's sadly losing it's relevance for the same reason. It had no big money or ranking points in it. They changed it giving ranking points just to try to increase it's relevance again in terms of getting top players to WANT to play it rather than being forced too for various reasons

SerialKillerToBe
07-16-2011, 06:25 PM
How can people say Olympics are worth more than Masters shields?

There's a reason you only get only 800 points for winning one.

nobama
07-16-2011, 09:11 PM
Granollers with a Davis Cup trophy > Soderling with a Masters? :confused:

Massu with an Olympic gold > Federer with a WTF title? :confused:

Would Federer trade his French Open title for an Olympic singles gold, or would Nadal trade his US Open title for a Masters Cup title? I doubt it.Olympic gold (singles) and DC are two things Fed hasn't won so for some of course they'll be more important than anything save, maybe Wimbledon. ;)

ReturnWinner
07-17-2011, 12:16 AM
Gs>wtf>olympics=masters.

stewietennis
07-17-2011, 11:59 PM
Olympics are way over rated in my opinion .I would definately prefer a masters title to it .Only players who care for olympics are Federer and Djokovic .Roddick skipped it if I remember correctly .

It's gotta be pretty important if two of the Top 3 players want to win it (the other having won it already).

You get maybe two solid attempts at singles gold in a career, you get about forty chances to win a major in a career. It's pretty rare to have a career golden slam, much less the golden grand slam.

adam10
07-18-2011, 06:34 AM
Gaudio > Massu > Mugray