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Miami R1: Anderson def. Davydenko 6-4 6-3

Deathless Mortal
03-23-2011, 06:06 PM
Davydenko keeps falling. This loss probably isn't a surprise, but it's weird that one of the best returners on tour had 0 break points in this match.

Luinir
03-23-2011, 06:06 PM
What's the wrong with you Nikolay? :o

tennishero
03-23-2011, 06:07 PM
rip denko.

tennisfan856
03-23-2011, 06:08 PM
this is unacceptable.

jonathancrane
03-23-2011, 06:09 PM
Too sexy

http://www.tennis.com/players/images/atp/kanderson.jpg

http://www.collegeandjuniortennis.com/PHOTOS/KevinAndersonBookHallofFame08.jpg

ossie
03-23-2011, 06:09 PM
always good to see fixer lose.

Ad Wim
03-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Yes, Kevin! :woohoo:
Hoping for a good run again, after a few bad weeks.

vn01
03-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Now that's bad. :sad: Hope he performs better during the clay season, but I doubt it

GlennMirnyi
03-23-2011, 06:10 PM
:lol: Donkey!

tennisfan856
03-23-2011, 06:13 PM
What's the wrong with you Nikolay? :o

it has to be his brother's departure as coach. He has done jack shit without him.

duong
03-23-2011, 06:15 PM
it has to be his brother's departure as coach. He has done jack shit without him.

I thought he had come back with him ?

Besides, I think this long slump is mostly sad :sad:

madmax
03-23-2011, 06:18 PM
Kolya:sad: Now it's becoming really sad and worrisome to say the least - choking the match away againt Wawrinka last week and now this...

Lleyton_
03-23-2011, 06:19 PM
He beat Nadal this year :lol:

Filo V.
03-23-2011, 06:20 PM
Kevin is a good player on courts like this and in general, but this is a poor loss for Davydenko. Nikolay should be able to beat Anderson off the ground. Anderson served very well. Nikolay served at 70% but a majority of those serves were probably just throw ins.

With this loss Davydenko is now 6-7 on the season, with a 2-5 record after Doha. He's now 19-20 since returning from the wrist injury. I'm going to wait until the clay season before making any snap judgments but things have not gone in the correct direction for Nikolay and it's getting bad.

DanaKz
03-23-2011, 06:21 PM
Shocking.

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:22 PM
Too sexy

http://www.tennis.com/players/images/atp/kanderson.jpg

http://www.collegeandjuniortennis.com/PHOTOS/KevinAndersonBookHallofFame08.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:24 PM
Kolya:sad: Now it's becoming really sad and worrisome to say the least - choking the match away againt Wawrinka last week and now this...:hug::hug::hug::hug:

tennisfan856
03-23-2011, 06:24 PM
I thought he had come back with him ?

Besides, I think this long slump is mostly sad :sad:

i have watched him lose to berdych (dubai), simon (marseille), and doha and whenever they showed irina in the stands, eduard wasn't there. Unless something changed in the past month, I don't think he is back with him. I can't tell when the bastard doesn't advance far enough into tournys when tv coverage actually starts.

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:24 PM
this is unacceptable.:sad::sad::sad:

duong
03-23-2011, 06:25 PM
i have watched him lose to berdych (dubai), simon (marseille), and doha and whenever they showed irina in the stands, eduard wasn't there. Unless something changed in the past month, I don't think he is back with him. I can't tell when the bastard can't advance far enough into tournys when tv coverage actually starts.

yes you're right, I didn't see him although I had read in the beginning of the year that his brother was coming back with him after some time taking care for his son Philipp :shrug:

philosophicalarf
03-23-2011, 06:26 PM
The worst thing here is that Miami is an awful court for the tall guys - slow hurts the serve, but unlike Indian Wells there's no high bounce for them to use either. When it's a quality returner like Davydenko, and he doesn't even get one bp all match.....

Must either have been injured, or just totally fed up with tennis after the Indian Wells choke vs Wawrinka (where he was playing pretty well, until he served for the match!).


Have to disagree with a lot gloating over this. Davydenko at his best, which means Miami 2008, and most of 2009, was a fabulous addition to the game. I never did get the dislike a lot have for him - yes, there's not much to empathise with his on-court personality (although he can be quite witty offcourt!), but his game was supreme ...... a perfect example of how technique, supreme timing and aggression can allow even a small guy to beat the best.

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:27 PM
always good to see fixer lose.


ahahahahahahahaha ossie....ossie....
always "NEW" by you....:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Jomp1
03-23-2011, 06:28 PM
The worst thing here is that Miami is an awful court for the tall guys - slow hurts the serve, but unlike Indian Wells there's no high bounce for them to use either. When it's a quality returner like Davydenko, and he doesn't even get one bp all match.....

Must either have been injured, or just totally fed up with tennis after the Indian Wells choke vs Wawrinka (where he was playing pretty well, until he served for the match!).

Bounce is said to be higher here than IW this year actually.

And Davydenko :confused:

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:28 PM
The worst thing here is that Miami is an awful court for the tall guys - slow hurts the serve, but unlike Indian Wells there's no high bounce for them to use either. When it's a quality returner like Davydenko, and he doesn't even get one bp all match.....

Must either have been injured, or just totally fed up with tennis after the Indian Wells choke vs Wawrinka (where he was playing pretty well, until he served for the match!).always more sad...:sad:

Belludal
03-23-2011, 06:29 PM
Davydenko is playing your best tennis on your life!:rolleyes:

bleu_cheese
03-23-2011, 06:30 PM
Didn't Anderson beat Djokovic here after he won Indian Wells in 2008? So, there is a bit of precedence for this.

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:31 PM
Now that's bad. :sad: Hope he performs better during the clay season, but I doubt it

:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:uhhhauuuuaaaa you make me cry!!!

Filo V.
03-23-2011, 06:31 PM
Shocking.

No, not really. This isn't 2009 Davydenko.

Belludal
03-23-2011, 06:32 PM
Kevin Anderson will be Top 20! HAHAHAHA

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:33 PM
He beat Nadal this year :lol:hoping so!!!!!! thanks dear friend!!!:wavey:

duong
03-23-2011, 06:33 PM
The worst thing here is that Miami is an awful court for the tall guys - slow hurts the serve, but unlike Indian Wells there's no high bounce for them to use either. When it's a quality returner like Davydenko, and he doesn't even get one bp all match.....

it's even worse : only 20% points won on Anderson's serve :sad:

Must either have been injured, or just totally fed up with tennis after the Indian Wells choke vs Wawrinka (where he was playing pretty well, until he served for the match!).

so often has looked fed-up with tennis or let's say, with no confidence at all, whereas yes, against Wawrinka he played quite well but the ending was very cruel (he served for the match) : that may have hurt him as well.

Nadull_tard
03-23-2011, 06:33 PM
I'm afraid Denko will crash out of Top 100 pretty soon If he continues playing this utter shit. Looks like a beginning of the end for Kolya.
However, I'm sure he will be always up to spank Nadull.

Filo V.
03-23-2011, 06:34 PM
Anderson doesn't play like most big guys, so I'm not sure about the court situation applying to him. He likes shots low and he's a 100% baseliner, and a decent server but not overwhelming. If anything, Nikolay would have a harder time consistently dictating and making the shots on these courts in his form.

Sillyrabbit
03-23-2011, 06:34 PM
Bounce is said to be higher here than IW this year actually.

Has anyone confirmed this besides Brad Gilbert? As I don't think his opinions are worth taking seriously.

Arkulari
03-23-2011, 06:34 PM
WTH? :eek:

Crazy Girl
03-23-2011, 06:37 PM
WTH? :eek:

uaaauaaaauuuaaauuuuaaaa help me please!!!!!!!!
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry:

ossie
03-23-2011, 06:37 PM
seriously when is this guy going to get his shit together.

barbadosan
03-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Despite what happened in the match with Wawa, still didn't expect him to go out to Anderson today. Bit shocked

philosophicalarf
03-23-2011, 06:41 PM
.....whereas yes, against Wawrinka he played quite well but the ending was very cruel (he served for the match) : that may have hurt him as well.

Yeah, sorry, that was what I was referring to. The straw that broke the camel's back: finally he plays at a top10 level, outplays Wawrinka (who is on form, and ranked 12ish and heading up) ....... but folds under the pressure at the end.

Maybe playing well then choking hurts more than other recent matches, where he was crap all the way through.

Jomp1
03-23-2011, 06:48 PM
Has anyone confirmed this besides Brad Gilbert? As I don't think his opinions are worth taking seriously.

I don't know what could possibly be a better opinion in the matter than someone actually training on the courts :shrug: Unless he's lying.

oranges
03-23-2011, 06:50 PM
Oh Kolya, what a waste of a decent draw finally :sad:

Tom Paulman
03-23-2011, 06:52 PM
Expected.

Brick Top
03-23-2011, 06:52 PM
Sad to see this...

philosophicalarf
03-23-2011, 06:56 PM
Has anyone confirmed this besides Brad Gilbert? As I don't think his opinions are worth taking seriously.

Indeed, his tweet said the courts were slower than Indian Wells, but a few players have said they were faster.....

It all kinda depends who's playing really - Indian Wells can seem a lower bounce if it's a big hitter, because desert air makes the ball travel faster there. Thus, big hit, flat trajectory, less air-time from desert air, will hit the court at a shallower angle and thus rebound lower.

For what it's worth, I've got lots of quotes from players in the past comparing the two, they always say Miami is lower bounce. That's the Indian Wells low humidity more than anything else, it's unique in that regard on the tour.

delpiero7
03-23-2011, 07:03 PM
I'm afraid Denko will crash out of Top 100 pretty soon If he continues playing this utter shit. Looks like a beginning of the end for Kolya.
However, I'm sure he will be always up to spank Nadull.

Where's the great acheivement in beating Nadull?

According to most people that hold similar views towards him as you do, he's a talentless mug, so Davydenko's ability to score victories over him isn't really much to boast about.

Niko should really worry about winning against slightly less muggier opponents (like Anderson for example), rather than looking forward to playing the biggest mug of all to finally register a victory.

duong
03-23-2011, 07:11 PM
Indeed, his tweet said the courts were slower than Indian Wells, but a few players have said they were faster.....

It all kinda depends who's playing really - Indian Wells can seem a lower bounce if it's a big hitter, because desert air makes the ball travel faster there. Thus, big hit, flat trajectory, less air-time from desert air, will hit the court at a shallower angle and thus rebound lower.

For what it's worth, I've got lots of quotes from players in the past comparing the two, they always say Miami is lower bounce. That's the Indian Wells low humidity more than anything else, it's unique in that regard on the tour.

yes from what you said once, the slowness, and also probably the bounce, of Miami comparing to Indian Wells comes from the humidity then it may change with the weather :shrug:

PS : no need to be sorry :confused: and yes, I think a defeat like that hurts more Davydenko than other kinds, after all his slump started with the defeat against Fed in Melbourne, I think.

Blackbriar
03-23-2011, 07:13 PM
:speakles: what can be said after that.
RIP
Nikolay Davydenko

Sillyrabbit
03-23-2011, 07:24 PM
I don't know what could possibly be a better opinion in the matter than someone actually training on the courts :shrug: Unless he's lying.

I don't think he's lying, it's just that views on court speeds are rarely ever universally the same, the post below is an example. Plus, I don't take his opinions seriously because he seems to love exaggerating to get reactions from people


Indeed, his tweet said the courts were slower than Indian Wells, but a few players have said they were faster.....

It all kinda depends who's playing really - Indian Wells can seem a lower bounce if it's a big hitter, because desert air makes the ball travel faster there. Thus, big hit, flat trajectory, less air-time from desert air, will hit the court at a shallower angle and thus rebound lower.

For what it's worth, I've got lots of quotes from players in the past comparing the two, they always say Miami is lower bounce. That's the Indian Wells low humidity more than anything else, it's unique in that regard on the tour.

Thanks.

Corey Feldman
03-23-2011, 07:27 PM
http://www.intelligentanswers.co.uk/Smileys/solosmileys/facepalm.gif Denko

what has happened to this mug

timafi
03-23-2011, 07:31 PM
Davydenko http://www.intelligentanswers.co.uk/Smileys/solosmileys/facepalm.gif

abraxas21
03-23-2011, 07:38 PM
was not expecting this

tealeaves
03-23-2011, 07:40 PM
New low :help:

Synesthetic
03-23-2011, 08:24 PM
I had Davydenko getting to R4 by beating Verdasco in my FITD :o

Horatio Caine
03-23-2011, 08:36 PM
I really don't know what to make of Kolya at the moment. Poor returning today, and that is usually his strong point. Slow conditions not the best for him, but it would have been beneficial for him in this match-up imo...and yet he didn't remotely threaten Anderson.

I have seen a fair bit of his tennis this year, and I resolutely believe that he still has something left...he just seems to be missing his spots more than usual (but quite often he hasn't been far out). If he can tidy his game up he can move back to a more respectable ranking (top 16), but I guess that he'll struggle to regain his confidence at the moment, and that is a crucial aspect to his game considering that he doesn't have a strong serve to fall back on. Could be a vicious cycle and he might struggle for some time to come. :sad:

Horatio Caine
03-23-2011, 08:38 PM
I had Davydenko getting to R4 by beating Verdasco in my FITD :o

I had him to beat Verdasco in R3 of the ATP's Fantasy Tennis...until I saw sense a few minutes later. :lol: :devil:

Garson007
03-23-2011, 08:39 PM
Actually a pretty good draw for Anderson. With a bit of luck he could make quarters. :eek:

KarlyM
03-23-2011, 08:53 PM
Man, I thought Kolya could actually win a couple matches this week. :drink:

Libertango
03-23-2011, 09:20 PM
Sigh.

Yandr001
03-23-2011, 09:43 PM
Well done, Kevin!

Sapeod
03-23-2011, 09:47 PM
Great win, Kevin. Top 30 very near.

Davydenko should really retire, he's getting worse and doesn't seem to be improving.

Sonja1989
03-23-2011, 09:49 PM
Uhh, it was surprise for me. Poor Nikolay. :sad:

Great win Kevin.

noctilux
03-23-2011, 09:51 PM
There goes my brilliant ATP Draw Challenge prediction of a resurgent Davydenko reminiscent of 2008 Miami form defeating a tired Djokovic in 3 sets to reach the semi-finals! :wavey:

FlameOn
03-23-2011, 10:55 PM
Poor Kolya. I was never a fan but this is just sad. :mad:

shiaben
03-23-2011, 10:58 PM
He should probably retire.

Voo de Mar
03-23-2011, 11:45 PM
:yeah:

Revenge for Wimbledon '10.

Topspindoctor
03-24-2011, 12:28 AM
On a positive note, fixing will be easier for this clown as he falls down in rankings. Everybody's happy.

paseo
03-24-2011, 12:32 AM
F*ck.

Mungo
03-24-2011, 01:43 AM
Good for the game when the big head fixer loses

alfonsojose
03-24-2011, 03:52 AM
No points to defend until the grass season. Get some wins on clay :hug:

dabeast
03-24-2011, 03:54 AM
damn! come on Davy, get your shit together :(

fran70
03-24-2011, 12:17 PM
Inspite of Denko is far away of his best days this is a very good victory for Anderson. He goes now to a 50-50 match with GGL. He has the sort of tennis that can bother clay court specialists. He has a good draw to advance.

Orka_n
03-24-2011, 12:22 PM
On a positive note, fixing will be easier for this clown as he falls down in rankings. Everybody's happy.http://www.ontennis.com/files/imagecache/450xXXX/files/images/davydenko-nadal-shnaghai-2009-02.preview.jpg

rocketassist
03-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Rafatards :lol: An embarrassment to society.

Dini
03-24-2011, 05:10 PM
This is very sad. At his 2009-early 2010 form he kept it so interesting against the top players. Beat Djokovic, Federer twice (nearly three times) and had Nadal's number as well. He truly was a top 10 player that no one wanted to see in their section at all costs. Injuries are a bitch, but still - his journey back from that has been nothing to speak of with losses left and right. That confidence he had in his shots seems to have disappeared. :sad: And it's disheartening to see that for the sake of competition, even if you're not a fan.

But here's hoping he can pick it up somehow in the upcoming weeks. It's not too late; just hope the motivation is there to pick himself up and move on from these disappointing results.