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LinkMage
03-19-2011, 10:41 PM
Fed from 2*-2 40-15 in the 3rd set to 2-6. :rolleyes:

NID, happens so often it is unreal.

SheepleBuster
03-19-2011, 10:43 PM
This reminds of Federers losing streak against Murray. But I admit. Federer is just not consistent enough to beat these guys. I am glad he won a set :(

tyruk14
03-19-2011, 10:43 PM
Future world numero uno this Djokovic. He's good.

Say Hey Kid
03-19-2011, 10:43 PM
Djokovic just too good.

He will no doubt be a favorite over Nadal in the final.

JanKowalski
03-19-2011, 10:43 PM
Djokovic continues his domination on outdoor hard. It will be interesting to see what the outcome will be if they meet on clay and grass.

fabolous
03-19-2011, 10:43 PM
simply the better player right now :shrug:

luv_Nadals_balls
03-19-2011, 10:43 PM
Great Match!

Kworb
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
This match was all Roger. :rolleyes:

dombrfc
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Dont think Nole will win any awards for his sportsmanship! Rogers says well played at the net, nole nods in approval and roars :/

Anyway, right player won. Well played to him.

freeandlonely
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Awful from the fucking Federer, the fucking Djokovic, the fucking slow court, and the fucking hot weather. Just give the fucking trophy to the fucking Nadal.

Scotso
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
:yippee:

viruzzz
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Basel 2010 but with the opposite scoreline

nanoman
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
This is bullshit.

Fedmug just threw the match.

Dyraise
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Roger lost it

Big_Juicy
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Routine work boys and girls from the real number one, and the man with the movement of death..:worship:

sdtoot
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Awesome quality tennis - Djokovic deserved No.2 ranking.

Priam
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Grandpa lost this match. Unreal how he fell off in the 3rd after a great 2nd set.

ZaZoo)
03-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Nole! :worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip::worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::

Shirogane
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Don't like the guy, but wish him well in the final. :hatoff:

nole_no1
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
THE KING WON AGAIN

:bounce:

Go for your 3rd straight title :worship:

Goget
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Stats :

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/2779/djoko.png

Jaz
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Roger lost this, it's a complete car crash.

luv_Nadals_balls
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Awful from the fucking Federer, the fucking Djokovic, the fucking slow court, and the fucking hot weather. Just give the fucking trophy to the fucking Nadal.

lol!

Regenbogen
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Congrats on #2 Nole. :D

iriraz
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Such a weird match.When u thought one guy has momentum suddenly the errors appeared.Djokovic had the momentum after set 1 played a poor second set,got again the advantage and lost it and finally he got it back in his favour.

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH After already celebrating the winning, don't make me dislike you Djokovic :mad: At least respect you were playing with Federer, a legend in tennis.

SheepleBuster
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Dont think Nole will win any awards for his sportsmanship! Rogers says well played at the net, nole nods in approval and roars :/

Anyway, right player won. Well played to him.

I am a big fan of Roger. But Roger was really disappointing the way he fell apart. It's heart breaking to see him that way. Novak won't be ever my favorite player. But he has a role to play :devil:

SVK
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
:help:

STUHL
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Amazing Match :worship:

Federer was in GOAT Mode only in the second Set where he played incredible points but Nole just to good from the Baseline.

Congrats on now being Number 2! Now win it all!

vn01
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
NID. Djokovic was the better player today. I was sure that Olderer's lucky run ends against the Djoker. Nole is really solid, but I think Rafa will beat him tomorrow :yeah:

Fujee
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
So sad. Good Luck to Djokovic. Federer deserves no.3 now - he's playing that bad.

muniu
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
yeah well done Nole $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :)
je t'aime

batavlada
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Roger is too old. Thats happen once in life.

rafa_maniac
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Dramatic match to say the least, the momentum see sawed all over the place. Nole was ON FIRE in the first, then dropped a bit, JesusFed took over, then the third went both ways until Fed just dropped off the face of the planet in the 5th game.

tennishero
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
the decline begins

Commander Data
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Painful to see Fed at 50 % of his best.

emotion
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Number twooooo
the fact that the match for #2 was 44-69 had 44 w/69 ues says something bout state of tennis tho

henke007
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Blue Clay:o
Roger:o

Mr. Oracle
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
The fear of the falcon causes Fed to become Fed-error once again in all the wrong moments.

Changing of the guard.

World #2.

Fed out of top 5 by end of year.

Filo V.
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
The better player won.

manadrainer
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
It's getting frustrating to say the least. In the 3rd set Nole didn't do anything special, Roger decided to gift the match from 2-2 40-15 (and a 10 to 1 streak which made Nole throw his racquet).

Blackbriar
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Federer won 4 more games than Gasquet.
Enough to call his performance solid then call Gasquet a total mug who was completely outclassed. MTF trisomy at his very best :retard:
Another proof, luminaries here consider there are top 3 and all the rest. Obviously most of you are part of the rest.

philosophicalarf
03-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Djoko was shaky at times, not as good as of late. Federror beat himself in the 3rd set though, just an avalanche of errors.

Johnny Groove
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Doublefaulterer, Shankerer, and Olderer strike in that last 4 games.

Give credit to Djokovic, he keep himself mentally steady while Federer went on his ups and downs.

barahmasa
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Routine work boys and girls from the real number one, and the man with the movement of death..:worship:

See you tomorrow, you won't be so happy after nadal routines your boy ;)

shiaben
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Expected 3 setter.

Raiden
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Federer might as well start hitting a two handed backhand (the one hander has become such a liability that it is even forcing him to run around it when the ball is too far on to the left of him (rendering the resulting forehand useless)

So he might as well go for a two hander (it couldn't be worse than his current one hander)

tsmile789
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Fed from 2*-2 40-15 in the 3rd set to 2-6. :rolleyes:

NID, happens so often it is unreal.

I stop following the scoreline at 2*-2, 40-15, thinking federer would take the match but who knew abt 7min later nole was up 5-2

Lleyton_
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Ugly match. DjokoGOAT 19w 30ue, Fedzniacki 25w 39ue and 1 ace:retard:

ssin
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Cleo, it was high intensity adrenaline match and he let the primal scream out, but not in Fed's face.

dombrfc
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Affirmative. Not one for the sportsmanship award but never mind.

SheepleBuster
03-19-2011, 10:47 PM
Very tough day for tennis fans. First Del Po lets Nadal back in their rivalry. Then Roger gives his fans some hope and then falls apart like a 5000 year old house.

Steelq
03-19-2011, 10:48 PM
Sex.

rocketassist
03-19-2011, 10:48 PM
The combined effort of both:

44 winners
69 unforced errors

Strong era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roamed
03-19-2011, 10:48 PM
Federer won 2 more games than Gasquet.
Enough to call his performance solid then call Gasquet a total mug who was completely outclassed. MTF trisomy at his very best :retarded:
2 games.

Fed won five more games than Gasquet...

Agrajag
03-19-2011, 10:49 PM
Another shitty match in a crappy tournament. These slow hardcourts are killing my interest in tennis. I honestly can't believe how anyone prefers these long, monotone baseline rallies ending with another unforced error.

Bring on clay, grass and fast hardcourts please.

Brick Top
03-19-2011, 10:49 PM
You are not serious, right?

shiaben
03-19-2011, 10:49 PM
I'm glad Djokovic is being a snob. True champions should let it out. He's been working hard, the results have been showing. Now time to let this out against a better opponents, Nadal. Federer is old news. He shouldn't cherish these moments, but moments against Nadal, the real competitor (current).

theKSHE
03-19-2011, 10:49 PM
This is sad, Roger is declining extremely fast, he is unable to finish the points easily and can't even serve decently. Djokovic didn't play that good but it was more than enough to beat this Federer.

Lleyton_
03-19-2011, 10:49 PM
Affirmative. Not one for the sportsmanship award but never mind.

He'll get one when he finishes the year at no1.

Dead Net Cord
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Federer won 2 more games than Gasquet.
Enough to call his performance solid then call Gasquet a total mug who was completely outclassed. MTF trisomy at his very best :retarded:
2 games.

Lol? 11 vs 6

tennisfan856
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
speed...up...the...courts.

That's all i have to say

rubbERR
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Djokovic is an impersonator, impersonating clown off and on court.

Voo de Mar
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Lousy match :(

SheepleBuster
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Another shitty match in a crappy tournament. These slow hardcourts are killing my interest in tennis. I honestly can't believe how anyone prefers these long, monotone baseline rallies ending with another unforced error.

Bring on clay, grass and fast hardcourts please.

Adam Helfant is smiling somewhere. Hey. Women's tennis has become a tad bit more interesting. haha. But no. I am glad Del Potro is back. I hope Murray gets it together. Harrison impressed me too!

henke007
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Another shitty match in a crappy tournament. These slow hardcourts are killing my interest in tennis. I honestly can't believe how anyone prefers these long, monotone baseline rallies ending with another unforced error.

Bring on clay, grass and fast hardcourts please.

+100000000

Mr. Oracle
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Don't like the guy, but wish him well in the final. :hatoff:

I don't like you, and don't wish you well.

Filo V.
03-19-2011, 10:50 PM
What's really stupid is how there were like 10 different threads immediately after the match+several comments. Do some of you sit on your keyboards to press enter just so you can claim to be the first thread after a match?

rocketassist
03-19-2011, 10:51 PM
Hard courts are not meant to be slower than clay.

Sort it fucking out

henke007
03-19-2011, 10:51 PM
RG is faster LMAO

Filo V.
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
As for Nole's reaction, he's not trying to show up Roger, he's celebrating his success. He shouldn't not respect his success because it may hurt Roger's feelings, that's what winning is for.

SetSampras
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
I see nole has himself a new bitch.. Olderer.. Wodgie obviously shows he has NO mental toughness. Hes pure talent and ability.. and when thats gone.. His true colors show

Nole Rules
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
This is coming from a Rafa fangirl.:lol:

coonster14
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
That's Nole's personality, he really wanted to stick it to the pro-Federer crowd, and I think because he is now the new world #2.

Let him roar, AJDE NOLE!!! Rafa vs Nole in the final, excellent :D

abraxas21
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
i didn't see it as a sign of disrespect to federer. i simply saw it a sign of being a clown. a huge fu...ing clown

"Look, I can bump my own chest for a third set that was pretty much handed to me. Wanna see me beating my chest?!?!?! I really want to do it".

seriously, what a clown. you'd never see someone like federer or davydenko doing something as ridiculous as that. Then again, I'd guess that for his stupid tards that's something that shows bravery or something. Stupid fanboys and fangirls all of them.

chenx15
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
Djokovic is the true number 2 right now. seeing feds forehand winners are starting to look slow and less pop. and novak having excellent footworks is really making me sad. good for nole but as a fed fan and as an aging tennis player myself is making me sad.

i have a bad feeling annacone told federer to get tighter strings in his racquet for the volleying which is giving fed less power in the baseline. this sucks it truly does but Nole just way too good lately

CCBH
03-19-2011, 10:52 PM
Amazing collapse from Federer from 2-2, 40-15. He went for 2 ill-advised drives, pumped up from recovering from 0-2 to 2-2, that backfired and dug his grave. That said, NOvak was already playing better at that point than the 2nd set, so maybe he didn't need the federrors.

Novak really is playing flawless tennis right now. Moving like a dream, returning Federer's best forehands with interest (and attacking FEderer's forehand ALL match-long), serving huge when down, mixing up heights, depths, volleys and slices. He looks like the favorite to me in the final, on form. ON paper, perhaps Rafa.

Andi-M
03-19-2011, 10:53 PM
World no 1 in waiting I think this Djokovic guy, Fed could only live with him by playing great tennis once Feds form fell off slightly in the 3rd Novak was all over him like a rash.

I expect a really great match vs Rafa tommorow.

fast_clay
03-19-2011, 10:53 PM
Djoko was shaky at times, not as good as of late. Federror beat himself in the 3rd set though, just an avalanche of errors.

by chance, for all the scrambling he was doing in the 2nd set, fed was forced to use the slice a number of times... it bought him time... and was able to turn the tide, keeping the errors low and unleashing a number of beastly forehands...

and, like clockwork, as soon as he won the 2nd he abandoned the slice in favour of looping his topshin short again surrendering the forecourt as in the 1st set... his backhand topspin is ranked ATP#112...

posters just cant say he made errors la la la, federror, etc... your man fed is just not tactically aware... and surrendered momentum by abandoning a winning gameplan... for the sake of what...?

:lol: you are supposed to get wiser as you get older... at least he's getting half of the saying right...

Myrre
03-19-2011, 10:53 PM
The combined effort of both:

44 winners
69 unforced errors

Strong era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slow fucking court.

rubbERR
03-19-2011, 10:54 PM
They should have put all matches to night time, too early to see claycourt matches.

tangerine_dream
03-19-2011, 10:54 PM
17-0 for the year, 3 in a row vs Federer, the new world number two, Falcon Nole in full-flight, what a sight to see. :worship:

Enjoy your new world number three ranking, Roger.

allpro
03-19-2011, 10:54 PM
rogelia is nole's bitch.

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-19-2011, 10:54 PM
Guys, I have watched tennis for a long time and I can recognize odd behavior, Djokovic is one of my favorite players and I just don't like it when he does that, especially with someone like Federer. All players celebrate but I have never seen someone re celebrating with a loud voice like that.

Blackbriar
03-19-2011, 10:55 PM
I don't know what makes Federer so better than the rest of the top 10 now. They are very much 2 top players and the rest.

Brick Top
03-19-2011, 10:55 PM
Djokovic looks like Germans before Stalingrad :)

Calidreth
03-19-2011, 10:55 PM
cry about it

Shirogane
03-19-2011, 10:55 PM
I don't like you, and don't wish you well.

hey I was rooting for your boy here :sad: :confused:

swisht4u
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
Fed played some very good tennis but missing too many easy shots.
Too bad, his old level was there in patches but can't keep it there for even 3 sets.

Djokovic playing some good tennis and was able to stay there mentally.

helvet empire
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
He'll get one when he finishes the year at no1.

+1 :lol::lol::lol:

abraxas21
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
You are not serious, right?

about nole being a clown or about nole being stupid?

RNW
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
The difference between those two is the defense.
All in all, it was a very good match.

5 or 6 errors too much from Federer.

ExcaliburII
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

where is feldman?

Calidreth
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
Wanted Roger this time, but grats to the new world #2. Djokovic's defense coupled with his consistency from the back of the court makes him definitely the best player in the world at the moment. This may be his era now.

SetSampras
03-19-2011, 10:57 PM
Just too bad we didnt see this nole in 09-10.. Fed would still be looking for a french open title, and the slam record.

HDW
03-19-2011, 10:57 PM
this guy, this guy. What a bastard

ffs Novak win it.

yavore
03-19-2011, 10:57 PM
Ha ha ha,

federeptile still sneaking around but Nole stomps the snake's head again

ssin
03-19-2011, 10:57 PM
It was a good match overall, the 3rd set was bad because of all the tension and adrenaline in the first two sets, so it was like anticlimax. Novak won fair and square, so congrats, and I like his chances against Rafa.

Props to Fed, who fought the only way he could right now, but Nole reads his game, he almost specialized in reading Fed. Fed is still the top contender, and many of his "fans" here are unjust to him. Fed will learn along his blind followers how it feels to be behind, for a while. It doesn't hurt, on the contrary, it clears your mind and vision :D

fast_clay
03-19-2011, 10:58 PM
I see nole has himself a new bitch.. Olderer.. Wodgie obviously shows he has NO mental toughness. Hes pure talent and ability.. and when thats gone.. His true colors show

i would agree with this... he's not gonna age gracefully if he cant cop on to the obvious and use the tools he has... otherwise they're not tools at all... just things that used to look good in a mug era...

Vida
03-19-2011, 10:58 PM
nole :bowdown: great match!

abraxas21
03-19-2011, 10:58 PM
where do all this ridiculous tards come from.

djokotards, go back to your basements.

Synesthetic
03-19-2011, 10:58 PM
If memory serves, from 2*-2 40-15 to 2*-4 0-40, Federer made 6 unforced errors on serve (4 FH and 2 BH) + a double fault on break point, all in a row.

abraxas21
03-19-2011, 10:59 PM
"HEY Look, I'm bumping my chest real hard. i mean real haaaaaard"

what a clown

rocketassist
03-19-2011, 10:59 PM
Just too bad we didnt see this nole in 09-10.. Fed would still be looking for a french open title, and the slam record.

We didn't see this Federer then either, and he was past his peak then too.

Dejan16
03-19-2011, 11:00 PM
where do all this ridiculous tards come from.

fucking djokotards, the scum of the earth. go back to your basements.


Suck it hater :bigclap:

theblejach
03-19-2011, 11:00 PM
Thanks for this show tonight and congrats on #2 ;)

duong
03-19-2011, 11:00 PM
closer than expected, there even was some hope at the beginning of third set but too few first serves and a bad third set.

I hope Nole has enough gas tomorrow :clap2:

tangerine_dream
03-19-2011, 11:02 PM
Guys, I have watched tennis for a long time and I can recognize odd behavior, Djokovic is one of my favorite players and I just don't like it when he does that, especially with someone like Federer. All players celebrate but I have never seen someone re celebrating with a loud voice like that.
That was Nole being defiant towards the crowd again because he knew they were rooting for Roger. Plus, he finally won an important match when the #2 rank was on the line.

Yazoo.C
03-19-2011, 11:02 PM
Well done Nole, congrats on becoming No.2 again :yeah:

alter ego
03-19-2011, 11:03 PM
WTA play from Roger. 57% 1st serves in the first set, 71% in the 2nd set and under 50% in the third. Too many patches of bad play to beat a top 5 level opponent.

tnosugar
03-19-2011, 11:04 PM
well, I see from the comments that quite a few people follwed the match via livescore :)
looks a lot like USO last year this IW. Hope nole isnt mentaly drained. Nadal has showsn that he is close to being his old self. In order to even dare to think of attacking the No 1 spot this year, he has to win tomorrow

Raiden
03-19-2011, 11:05 PM
i didn't see it as a sign of disrespect to federer. i simply saw it a sign of being a clown. a huge fu...ing clown

"Look, I can bump my own chest for a third set that was pretty much handed to me. Wanna see me beating my chest?!?!?! I really want to do it".

seriously, what a clown. you'd never see someone like federer or davydenko doing something as ridiculous as that.Nadal doesn't do that kind of clowning around either (not after matchpoint - between games is another matter)

LinkMage
03-19-2011, 11:06 PM
The combined effort of both:

44 winners
69 unforced errors

Strong era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What do you expect with this pathetic court which is impossible to hit winners?

Djokovic was sliding and getting everything back like you would see on a clay court.

crude oil
03-19-2011, 11:06 PM
fed has become nole's bi$ch.

some really good stuff from federer in the match but he missed a few shots by inches at 2-2..and then couldnt put returns in play.

the one chance djoko gave him at 5-2, fed dumped into the net.

Mungo
03-19-2011, 11:06 PM
After the first three games I knew the joker would win. He outplayed Fed from the baseline again, only when he started clowning around for a while Fed could sneak a set. Fed's baseline game is not in Nadal-Joker's league, he only got to the semis because his draw was a complete joke. Two best players in the world will play the final tomorrow as it should be. Good for the game, good times for tennis.

theblejach
03-19-2011, 11:06 PM
http://communities.canada.com/montrealgazette/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.18.54.13/djokovic4.jpg

Poirot123
03-19-2011, 11:08 PM
Federer needs to sort his first serve out. If he was making 70% first serves in that third set he'd be playing Nadal in the final tomorrow. It's as simple as that. If Nadal and Djokovic can make such rapid improvements in their serving, Federer can hit the practice courts and sort his serve out. I still believe that a 29 year old Federer serving as well as Djokovic does, beats Djokovic.

abraxas21
03-19-2011, 11:08 PM
seriously, his continuous mental slips are expensive in terms of results. He can afford to have them against regular players but against players like Djokovic or Nadal he clearly needs to play at his best but he's just not able to sustain a good level of play for an extended period of time. What happened today in the third set when fed was serving 2-2 40-15 onwards was bloody ridiculous. i don't know what it is. nerves, dis-concentration, I really don't know but whatever it is, it's bad. I'm actually surprised he managed to get 16 GS with such a mindset. His mental slips arent always as bad as the one today but to be fair they've always been present, as far as I can recall.

all that said, prime Djokovic is taking advantage now that he's capable of dominating an older past-his-prime version of federer. What he couldn't do during Federer's prime, he now can do it continually in Federer's fall. The history books will surely have to put some footnotes next to these late defeats.

cobalt60
03-19-2011, 11:09 PM
And MTF implodes. :lol: Anyhoo nice match :yeah: I totally enjoyed it and looking forward to tomorrow. May the best player on that day, on that court, in that weather win :p

DrJules
03-19-2011, 11:09 PM
If memory serves, from 2*-2 40-15 to 2*-4 0-40, Federer made 6 unforced errors on serve (4 FH and 2 BH) + a double fault on break point, all in a row.

A small mental edge is the difference.

Federer seemed to struggle just when it looked like it might swing his way coming from 2-0 down to lead 3-2 if he wins that point. Up to that point nothing in the match.

Mungo
03-19-2011, 11:10 PM
LOL at the Fedtards whining again about post-match celebrations when results leave them a bitter taste, they have to spit that bitterness on here. Losers.

tribalfusion
03-19-2011, 11:10 PM
Federer needs to sort his first serve out. If he was making 70% first serves in that third set he'd be playing Nadal in the final tomorrow. It's as simple as that. If Nadal and Djokovic can make such rapid improvements in their serving, Federer can hit the practice courts and sort his serve out. I still believe that a 29 year old Federer serving as well as Djokovic does, beats Djokovic.


Believe all you like but part of why Fed doesn't appear to be serving as well is Novak's return and game in general.

Pressure and a rubber man who can return serves with interest change things dramatically.

Congrats to Novak

Poirot123
03-19-2011, 11:10 PM
No, he just needs to sort out his serving. If he serves 70% first serves, he probably beats just about everyone on the tour.

Corey Feldman
03-19-2011, 11:10 PM
signs of life looking for old Fed and the liquid shots but as always thesedays.. it doesnt last long

Dont think Nole will win any awards for his sportsmanship! Rogers says well played at the net, nole nods in approval and roars :/

:lol: what do you expect from him and Nadal, they are a bunch of winning desperado's apart from when they play each other and the arse licking becomes a site to behold, you'll see again tomorrow

ive seen both of them scream in opponents ears this week at the net 1 second after hanshake (nadal did it to Karlovic)

yet watch 60% MTF call them 2 of the classy ones around while its Fed who is some jerk

Johnny Groove
03-19-2011, 11:10 PM
"Novak Djokovic battles past Roger Federer and claims #2 ranking"

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP-Indian-Wells---Novak-Djokovic-battles-past-Roger-Federer-and-claims-%232-ranking-articolo371.html

Young 8
03-19-2011, 11:10 PM
No, he needs a TIME MACHINE


He's 28, past his prime


It will be a downfall from here

Matt01
03-19-2011, 11:11 PM
Oh, that was a bit tougher than expected :lol:

Still: Djoker :worship:

Mungo
03-19-2011, 11:12 PM
Fedull has never had the mental strength of Nadal or Sampras, what's new?

alter ego
03-19-2011, 11:12 PM
He's 29. Do you think Nadull and the serbian clown will be on top of the rankings at 29?

DrJules
03-19-2011, 11:12 PM
Djokovic won 88 points and Federer won 82 points:

http://www.protennislive.com/frameset.asp?year=2011&wkno=10&lang=en&tabno=1&eventid=M006&ref=www.atpworldtour.com

Similar to the 119 to 111 differential at the AO.

Djokovic winning a few big points making the difference.

The top 3 are starting to establish a chasm with the rest of the field.

crude oil
03-19-2011, 11:14 PM
Federer needs to sort his first serve out. If he was making 70% first serves in that third set he'd be playing Nadal in the final tomorrow. It's as simple as that. If Nadal and Djokovic can make such rapid improvements in their serving, Federer can hit the practice courts and sort his serve out. I still believe that a 29 year old Federer serving as well as Djokovic does, beats Djokovic.

agree.

but also keep in mind that federer goes for bigger serves than either novak/nadal.

federer hasnt had a really good serving day in a long time.

Certinfy
03-19-2011, 11:14 PM
:haha: Federer's done! Djokovic didn't even play that well asides of that first set. :lol:

Thanks for saving tennis again, Nole. :yeah:

tribalfusion
03-19-2011, 11:14 PM
What he couldn't do during Federer's prime, he now can do it continually in Federer's fall. The history books will surely have to put some footnotes next to these late defeats.


Silly stuff.

Put the footnotes next to any player who was younger than 22-23 when they played Roger then since they weren't at their peak either then.

Had Novak been 24 then and Roger 19, it would have been different also.

It works both ways.

zcess81
03-19-2011, 11:15 PM
Another shitty match in a crappy tournament. These slow hardcourts are killing my interest in tennis. I honestly can't believe how anyone prefers these long, monotone baseline rallies ending with another unforced error.

Bring on clay, grass and fast hardcourts please.



:scratch:

barahmasa
03-19-2011, 11:15 PM
No, he needs a TIME MACHINE


He's 28, past his prime


It will be a downfall from here


Actualy he's 29 and half, an old man declininig (mostly in his head) fastly
And yup, never had a champ mentality of nadull and sampras, always a shaky guy, sadly

DrJules
03-19-2011, 11:17 PM
Believe all you like but part of why Fed doesn't appear to be serving as well is Novak's return and game in general.

Pressure and a rubber man who can return serves with interest change things dramatically.

Congrats to Novak

Federer in the first set was 57% 1st serve, second set 67%, but fell to 46% in third set. It has to be the mental side to explain such a drop off from 2nd to 3rd set.

When you go below 50% you are going to struggle to win a set.

Matt01
03-19-2011, 11:17 PM
where do all this ridiculous tards come from.

djokotards, go back to your basements.


Don't be so bitter that Nole owns your overrated fave now. :hug: Hey, life goes on :)

Young 8
03-19-2011, 11:17 PM
Actualy he's 29 and half, an old man declininig (mostly in his head) fastly

You right, my mistake

Johnny Groove
03-19-2011, 11:18 PM
Too many missed first serves, bad mental mindset of having to hit lines to beat Djokovic, didn't use slice enough.

Tactical mistakes. Federer's game is still there, except he'll play like JesusFed for 2 games and then mug it up for the next 4, which is exactly what happened in the third from 0-2 to the end.

samanosuke
03-19-2011, 11:18 PM
more consistent player won . defeat like this are worse for federer than 1 and 1 . he played well just when he was loosing . at 0-0 and 2-2 in the third set were crucial moments for the match where I think he could turn the match in his favor but showed one more time nerves in key moments . this time novak neither asked for shot more like he usually does but even that was too much for federer . roger can play well or amazingly but at that key moments when it matters which he was winning 4 or 5 years ago now can't and this is hole story for him . novak even when he doesn't have his day can play strong from the baseline and ask from opponent to provide great shots , roger was always going for his shots and at the late when it doesn't works looks awful . don't know how others see this but simplest said , watching federer, huge winners which in the past he provided almost in every game , now I am surprised when actually see one or two fro match

best luck for nole in tomorrow final's

Young 8
03-19-2011, 11:19 PM
signs of life looking for old Fed and the liquid shots but as always thesedays.. it doesnt last long

:lol: what do you expect from him and Nadal, they are a bunch of winning desperado's apart from when they play each other and the arse licking becomes a site to behold, you'll see again tomorrow

ive seen both of them scream in opponents ears this week at the net 1 second after hanshake (nadal did it to Karlovic)

yet watch 60% MTF call them 2 of the classy ones around while its Fed who is some jerk

http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/attachments/lisola-dei-forumers/40643d1260452651-mi-fa-quasi-tenerezza-rosica.jpg

Topspindoctor
03-19-2011, 11:20 PM
Olderer will never ever beat Djoker again on hard court. Love to see Clown_Feldman owned again. Must be agony to see both Mugray and Olderer struggling :baby:

ssin
03-19-2011, 11:21 PM
:zzz: this is for Fed forum

DrJules
03-19-2011, 11:21 PM
Fedull has never had the mental strength of Nadal or Sampras, what's new?

Agree regarding Nadal who mentally is easily the toughest player on tour, but Sampras is a similar mental toughness level to Federer.

Mateya
03-19-2011, 11:22 PM
Expected for me. :)
Roger is a mental midget when it comes to deciding sets.

As for Nole, :worship:
My southern neighbours, enjoy this as long as it lasts. Because of him (and Ivanović), tennis become much more popular even here in Slovenia, part of ex-Yugoslavia. :cool:

http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/attachments/lisola-dei-forumers/40643d1260452651-mi-fa-quasi-tenerezza-rosica.jpg

:spit: :haha: :haha:

Farenhajt
03-19-2011, 11:23 PM
The NIDest NID ever.

What's really scary for Deaderer and his fans is that NoleHulk has the number even on a very decent edition of Deaderer, with some great shotmaking and limited spraying. Today's JesusFed (if he suddenly appeared) would make his way to a tiebreak or two, winning a set along the way, but ultimately Nole would also win.

Welcome to the Pigeondom...

alter ego
03-19-2011, 11:23 PM
Olderer will never ever beat Djoker again on hard court. Love to see Clown_Feldman owned again. Must be agony to see both Mugray and Olderer struggling :baby:

:lol:
Could you solemnly swear to never post on MTF if Roger beats Djokovic this year on hard courts?

Lavorama
03-19-2011, 11:24 PM
I make an effort to like Djokovic, I really do. But he doesn't play tennis, he plays pong. Tennis has got to be more than about returning every ball until the other guy makes one unforced error (which Federer did in pathetic amounts).

I guess my love for tennis will hibernate once again until another consistent all courter with skill and youth to make something of it comes along.

Swiss Mountain
03-19-2011, 11:24 PM
Everybody is upset, Fed the first, he has some problems, we all have, I stop being angry at him when he loose and accept his defeats saddly but with calm see? it's normal now, let's still enjoy him while he is there, he will leave the tour soon, so accept the defeat peacefully

samanosuke
03-19-2011, 11:25 PM
at the end of last season he was trying to played less BH's and played much more aggressive FH's . it looked really good . and this year again he is back at his old court position . don't know why , but doesn't look good now

paseo
03-19-2011, 11:25 PM
Fed lost it in the 3rd, there.

I do hope it's a mental problem (tension/tactic/confidence), and not a physical one. Cause a good coach can fix a mental problem. But, if it is because he's tiring or getting too slow for his own game, then it's over. How sad :sad:

barahmasa
03-19-2011, 11:27 PM
I make an effort to like Djokovic, I really do. But he doesn't play tennis, he plays pong. Tennis has got to be more than about returning every ball until the other guy makes one unforced error (which Federer did in pathetic amounts).

I guess my love for tennis will hibernate once again until another consistent all courter with skill and youth to make something of it comes along.

Don't wory mate, tomorrow you'll see djoko frustrated when nadal returns even more balls than him ;)

Corey Feldman
03-19-2011, 11:28 PM
I make an effort to like Djokovic, I really do. But he doesn't play tennis, he plays pong. Tennis has got to be more than about returning every ball until the other guy makes one unforced error (which Federer did in pathetic amounts).

Get used to it pal, Nadal and Nole are the 10,000 meter specialists of tennis so expect the same again and again in these tournaments

then again let them play and run like that every week of a long season :)

Poirot123
03-19-2011, 11:29 PM
at the end of last season he was trying to played less BH's and played much more aggressive FH's . it looked really good . and this year again he is back at his old court position . don't know why , but doesn't look good now

Federer looked unplayable in the WTF and blew away the world's best. He kept that level up to the demolition of Lacko, but has been pretty hit and miss since the Simon match in AO round 2. The level has dropped massively, as has the consistency.

barahmasa
03-19-2011, 11:29 PM
Fed lost it in the 3rd, there.

I do hope it's a mental problem (tension/tactic/confidence), and not a physical one. Cause a good coach can fix a mental problem. But, if it is because he's tiring or getting too slow for his own game, then it's over. How sad :sad:

Fed's problem is mostly mental, and it cannot be solved, he has had it for years now, but was able to netralize it for the most part with his prime game... Always a prety shaky guy though

Nadull_tard
03-19-2011, 11:31 PM
First of all Fed tanked the third set, he knew he's level of game is currently not sufficient to defeat Nadal in this conditions.
Second of all, show me a top player except Agassi who was around Top 3 being near 30 years old and challenging opponents in their peaks.

cutesteve22
03-19-2011, 11:32 PM
Fedull has never had the mental strength of Nadal or Sampras, what's new?
so what, Federer is far better player than them

cutesteve22
03-19-2011, 11:33 PM
He's 29. Do you think Nadull and the serbian clown will be on top of the rankings at 29?agree!

bokehlicious
03-19-2011, 11:34 PM
at the end of the day 16>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 :shrug:

barahmasa
03-19-2011, 11:35 PM
Yeah, but when he's 29 nadal will have like 18 GS or so to his name so hw won't give a sh...

samanosuke
03-19-2011, 11:35 PM
First of all Fed tanked the third set, he knew he's level of game is currently not sufficient to defeat Nadal in this conditions.
Second of all, show me a top player except Agassi who was around Top 3 being near 30 years old and challenging opponents in their peak.

nobody doesn't tank the match because of next opponent

with second sentence I fully agree and it's unbelievable but doubt that he personally plays tennis at moment to be #3 and loosing in semis of majors and think if this continuous he may lose that passion for tennis which he currently has

Mateya
03-19-2011, 11:36 PM
Deaderer :rolls:

zcess81
03-19-2011, 11:38 PM
Get used to it pal, Nadal and Nole are the 10,000 meter specialists of tennis so expect the same again and again in these tournaments

then again let them play and run like that every week of a long season :)

Talking about forcing your opponent to make an error, you forgot about the queen of pushers...Andy Wozniacki.

finishingmove
03-19-2011, 11:39 PM
not a bad match from yielderer

outcome never in doubt though

horseman
03-19-2011, 11:40 PM
at the end of the day 16>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 :shrug:

And 29>24 :shrug:

bokehlicious
03-19-2011, 11:41 PM
And 29>24 :shrug:

and surely 5 years to get 14 more slams should be a mere walk in the park ;)

paseo
03-19-2011, 11:42 PM
What made you think that this isn't a physical issue? Maybe he's getting too slow for his own game. Maybe he's forcing his body when he makes those sublime NinjaFed shots. That's why he can only bring out NinjaFed for a few games, then mug it out for several games because he's tired. If you want to hit your best shot, you gotta be in position, you must be fully focus, and you gotta swing with full commitment and force. That takes some energy. He can do it as many times as he likes when he was young, but now he's gotta ration it properly. And against a player of Djokovic's caliber, he tends to force it.

cocrcici
03-19-2011, 11:42 PM
And 29>24 :shrug:

29>23

tektonac
03-19-2011, 11:44 PM
Djokovic is an impersonator, impersonating clown off and on court.

just b/c he beat Fed for the 3rd time in a row? what a plonker.

bokehlicious
03-19-2011, 11:44 PM
29>23

oh, if it's even 6 years then he should reach 20 with the fingers in the nose...

duong
03-19-2011, 11:49 PM
all that said, prime Djokovic is taking advantage now that he's capable of dominating an older past-his-prime version of federer. What he couldn't do during Federer's prime, he now can do it continually in Federer's fall. The history books will surely have to put some footnotes next to these late defeats.

it's not a footnote : it's time and age :shrug:

McEnroe came after Borg, Lendl after McEnroe, Becker after Lendl, Edberg after Becker, Courier after Edberg, Sampras after Courier, Agassi after Sampras, etc etc ... it's the normal evolution of time.

I had thought that Djokovic would succeed to Fed and Nadal for a while : Fed reminded me of Borg, Nadal of McEnroe, and Djokovic of Lendl.

I had thought about it for long : I really hope it goes on like that as I like Djokovic and I dislike Nadal :shrug:

Chartreuse
03-19-2011, 11:50 PM
Blue Clay:o
Roger:o

This year IW is playing faster than AO this year. Maybe because of the rare cool weather at the AO. So AO was more blue clay this year.

shiaben
03-19-2011, 11:50 PM
If he had a high serve % like he use to. He wouldn't find himself in this crappy situation to begin with.

But in addition to that, assuming he has another shitty serving day, he'll need mental resiliency to pull himself together, and take out Djokovic in these best of 3 sets matches when it comes to the last sets, or even better yet.....he'll need it if he finds himself stuck at the 5th set of a slam tournament against the Djoker.

shiaben
03-19-2011, 11:51 PM
The greatest example of his mental error, was that damn passing shot. Very easy put away, and just miserably chokes it away.

duong
03-19-2011, 11:53 PM
What made you think that this isn't a physical issue?

People never think of physical issues about Federer, it's always supposed to be "mental", I've always been struck by that specific way Fed is looked at : he's supposed never to be tired or injured.

I mean firth set of AO 2009 against Nadal : for everybody it was "mental"

against Del Potro in US Open the same.

Fed's poor stats in 5-setters ? the same.

Well the physique is the big absent of all that in a time where the physique has never been as important in tennis :shrug:

Fed has the best tie-breaks stats of all but he will be remembered as a "mental midget" because people can't think of any other explanations for his defeats.

Maybe he's getting too slow for his own game. Maybe he's forcing his body when he makes those sublime NinjaFed shots. That's why he can only bring out NinjaFed for a few games, then mug it out for several games because he's tired. If you want to hit your best shot, you gotta be in position, you must be fully focus, and you gotta swing with full commitment and force. That takes some energy. He can do it as many times as he likes when he was young, but now he's gotta ration it properly. And against a player of Djokovic's caliber, he tends to force it.

Exactly :yeah: maybe today's third set was nearer to his "normal level" than second set actually ;)

Dupuis2006
03-19-2011, 11:54 PM
:hysteric:

ExcaliburII
03-19-2011, 11:55 PM
I forgot to say. Always good when a good personality beats the biggest asshole on tour.

christallh24
03-19-2011, 11:55 PM
Spent all the day long in an ER. Only good things about today was my guys winning (no matter how crap Novak played), him getting the #2 ranking back, and my Florida Gators into the Sweet 16. :yippee::bigclap::dance::music:

duong
03-19-2011, 11:55 PM
Agree regarding Nadal who mentally is easily the toughest player on tour, but Sampras is a similar mental toughness level to Federer.

I don't know but what's certain is that if Fed had Sampras's serve in the beginning of this third set, the result would have been much different : in a final set like that, a great first serve surely helps a lot :shrug:

As for Nadal, if he didn't have that physique and that style of play, I don't think his mental would be as famous as it is.

My theory is always that in tennis, if you have a great first serve or a game with few risks and errors, you're much more prone to be considered as a "mental giant" because these are styles of play which are very helpful in clutch moments and even more especially in 5th sets ;)

MIMIC
03-19-2011, 11:56 PM
Djokovic has a mental choke hold on Federer :worship: :worship:

Fujee
03-20-2011, 12:00 AM
I want to know what has happend to the ultra aggressive, solid, serve and volley anacone drilled into his head at the end of last season. Where has it gone. Federer continues to mess it up when he has it in his hands. So annoying.

samanosuke
03-20-2011, 12:01 AM
I don't know but what's certain is that if Fed had Sampras's serve in the beginning of this third set, the result would have been much different : in a final set like that, a great first serve surely helps a lot :shrug:

he didn't have it because of nerves and fear . in these 3 this year matches against djokovic he won just one game when he was break point down , he is loosing every big point against djokovic and not because nole played unbelievable points , all that were miss hits or shots which weren't neither close to the court . this says something :sad:

duong
03-20-2011, 12:01 AM
doubt that he personally plays tennis at moment to be #3 and loosing in semis of majors and think if this continuous he may lose that passion for tennis which he currently has

he knows that if he keeps on like that, he will get his chance sooner or later :shrug:

maybe you'll see he'll win Miami, and then what will people say ?

Myrre
03-20-2011, 12:02 AM
I forgot to say. Always good when a good personality beats the biggest asshole on tour.

What? Nadal lost?

duong
03-20-2011, 12:03 AM
I don't know but what's certain is that if Fed had Sampras's serve in the beginning of this third set, the result would have been much different : in a final set like that, a great first serve surely helps a lot :shrug:

he didn't have it because of nerves and fear . in these 3 this year matches against djokovic he won just one game when he was break point down , he is loosing every big point against djokovic and not because nole played unbelievable points , all that were miss hits or shots which weren't neither close to the court . this says something :sad:

he has not served well and had serves lapses all week anyway, and it's impossible to compare Sampras's serve with Fed's :lol:

I don't think it was nerves, he didn't look nervous in the beginning of that third set, rather lack of concentration.

Jaz
03-20-2011, 12:03 AM
Definitely something psychological right now.

When he breaks, he can't seem to hold. Or when he needs to hold, he can't.
Break points he's horrible.

There's definitely a problem, I how they can fix it, because this costing Roger many many matches.

samanosuke
03-20-2011, 12:03 AM
he knows that if he keeps on like that, he will get his chance sooner or later :shrug:

maybe you'll see he'll win Miami, and then what will people say ?

hope you are right but Rog doesn't look to me as a man for big things anymore

moon language
03-20-2011, 12:03 AM
I want to know what has happend to the ultra aggressive, solid, serve and volley anacone drilled into his head at the end of last season. Where has it gone. Federer continues to mess it up when he has it in his hands. So annoying.

Do you mean how he played at the WTF? That was a special case where the super low bouncing court protected his backhand from being exploited and so he looked to be playing great. Shots to his backhand were all in his strikezone, unlike basically every other court on tour.

Big_Juicy
03-20-2011, 12:05 AM
Hi alter ego :wavey:

Hope you're having a good day..

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20100914&t=2&i=203770251&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=2010-09-14T140326Z_01_BTRE68D131S00_RTROPTP_0_TENNIS-OPEN

The movement of death.. :worship:

paseo
03-20-2011, 12:05 AM
People never think of physical issues about Federer, it's always supposed to be "mental", I've always been struck by that specific way Fed is looked at : he's supposed never to be tired or injured.

I mean firth set of AO 2009 against Nadal : for everybody it was "mental"

against Del Potro in US Open the same.

Fed's poor stats in 5-setters ? the same.

Well the physique is the big absent of all that in a time where the physique has never been as important in tennis :shrug:

Fed has the best tie-breaks stats of all but he will be remembered as a "mental midget" because people can't think of any other explanations for his defeats.

Maybe today's third set was nearer to his "normal level" than second set actually ;)

Very good point. I always thought that Fed's mental game is quite good. Not legendary like Nadal, but still quite good.

"How can a mental midget holds the best tie-break record?" is a very good argument. But not on MTF, though. There's a popular simple response for it here, "Weak era" :D

samanosuke
03-20-2011, 12:06 AM
I forgot to say. Always good when a good personality beats the biggest asshole on tour.

didn't follow your work before but with last few days i am impressed :worship:

hope you can keep it up

Poirot123
03-20-2011, 12:07 AM
hope you are right but Rog doesn't look to me as a man for big things anymore

I don't know. He had Djokovic's gonads in a vice like grip at 40-15 2-2 in the third set, JesusFed was on show toying with Djokovic. And then Federer played like a mug for the rest of the match inexplicably. but the point is that Federer can still outclass Djokovic by some margin. He just needs to sort his F*****G serve out and find the form at the end of 2010, and he'll be back in contention.

duong
03-20-2011, 12:08 AM
at the end of last season he was trying to played less BH's and played much more aggressive FH's . it looked really good . and this year again he is back at his old court position . don't know why , but doesn't look good now

when he avoided his backhand to play a forehand, Djokovic constantly punished him with a great crosscourt forehand : it's not a good tactics against him now imo :shrug: also because Fed's forehand is not as good as it used to be (partly because of the movement)

samanosuke
03-20-2011, 12:10 AM
I don't know. He had Djokovic's gonads in a vice like grip at 40-15 2-2 in the third set, JesusFed was on show toying with Djokovic. And then Federer played like a mug for the rest of the match inexplicably. but the point is that Federer can still outclass Djokovic by some margin. He just needs to sort his F*****G serve out and find the form at the end of 2010, and he'll be back in contention.

these days you can just see jesus fed in flashes and federror most of the time in this so called big matches . regular federer you can barely see and i am sure it would be enough even in big matches . today i am sure he just need to play a good match , nothing specially and he would win it

Swiss Mountain
03-20-2011, 12:12 AM
Olderer will never ever beat Djoker again on hard court. Love to see Clown_Feldman owned again. Must be agony to see both Mugray and Olderer struggling :baby:

Funny your smiley at the end because it's exactly how I see you.

duong
03-20-2011, 12:13 AM
Anyway whatever the third set, Djokovic was the one who could outplay his opponent without taking too many risks :

that's why he always looked superior imo even though at the score, Fed was close and might even have been closer (even in first set).

samanosuke
03-20-2011, 12:14 AM
and don't understand why he stopped to coming in through the third set ??? at that break point after one shot djokovic played a FH slice just to stay in point , it was so obvious that he can't play anything else and roger stayed back and lost the point

Priam
03-20-2011, 12:16 AM
It's just age. Easier to lose concentration and focus after all the battles as you get older.

Sadly, it happens to all the greats.

duong
03-20-2011, 12:19 AM
It's just age. Easier to lose concentration and focus after all the battles as you get older.

Sadly, it happens to all the greats.

yes, but for "all the greats", it was also partly physical imo even though it didn't look so :

I mean when you play a rally and make a seemingly silly error after several shots, it may be tiredness ;

if you go for a forehand attack and you miss it by far, it may be that you were not fit enough to take a good position

etc etc ...

look at Djokovic's defense today : what would it be without his physique ?

Agrajag
03-20-2011, 12:23 AM
Another shitty match in a crappy tournament. These slow hardcourts are killing my interest in tennis. I honestly can't believe how anyone prefers these long, monotone baseline rallies ending with another unforced error.

Bring on clay, grass and fast hardcourts please.

:scratch:

Clay is SUPPOSED to play that way. When a great server like Fed gets three aces in five sets (this match and vs. Wawrinka) that says alot.

Besides, the bounce and movement still differs alot. A match between these two guys would probably look pretty much the same though...

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 12:27 AM
What made you think that this isn't a physical issue? Maybe he's getting too slow for his own game. Maybe he's forcing his body when he makes those sublime NinjaFed shots. That's why he can only bring out NinjaFed for a few games, then mug it out for several games because he's tired. If you want to hit your best shot, you gotta be in position, you must be fully focus, and you gotta swing with full commitment and force. That takes some energy. He can do it as many times as he likes when he was young, but now he's gotta ration it properly. And against a player of Djokovic's caliber, he tends to force it.

that's a pretty good summation of what happens to an ageing great... the peaks in a match are still there, and some of the plays and shots are just as unplayable as they always are - but, like you say, it lasts for less or there's less of it..

but, it's the lows and troughs federer is facing that he is unable to manage... he is trusting that ninja fed will just show up to save the day - a blind refusal to acknowledge that he must engage his nearest opponents in a tactical battle rather than hoping the FedAura will do the magic for him... it wont...

like you say paseo, he must ration the peaks... and on the flipside he must acknowledge manage the lows...

the days of JesusFed On Tap are OVAAHHHHHHHH!

!VamosRafa!
03-20-2011, 12:28 AM
:haha:
omg fedclown lost to djokovic again and it's only march:help:
Rafa will get steamrolled in the final:sad:
Im so scareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!

duong
03-20-2011, 12:32 AM
that's a pretty good summation of what happens to an ageing great... the peaks in a match are still there, and some of the plays and shots are just as unplayable as they always are - but, like you say, it lasts for less or there's less of it..

but, it's the lows and troughs federer is facing that he is unable to manage... he is trusting that ninja fed will just show up to save the day - a blind refusal to acknowledge that he must engage his nearest opponents in a tactical battle rather than hoping the FedAura will do the magic for him... it wont...

like you say paseo, he must ration the peaks... and on the flipside he must acknowledge manage the lows...

the days of JesusFed On Tap are OVAAHHHHHHHH!

what kind of tactical battle ?

I mean Sampras had a great serve when the rest was not good, but Fed ?

Especially with Djokovic who has all of the solutions against his game now :shrug:

I really can't see what kind of tactics Fed can afford against Djokovic when he doesn't play his best :shrug:

And remember he hasn't lost to anybody but Djokovic since Paris last year, and even to anybody but Djokovic and Murray apart from that loss to Monfils in Paris.

it's not as if he was that inconsistent :shrug:

Radalek
03-20-2011, 12:32 AM
all that said, prime Djokovic is taking advantage now that he's capable of dominating an older past-his-prime version of federer. What he couldn't do during Federer's prime, he now can do it continually in Federer's fall. The history books will surely have to put some footnotes next to these late defeats.

So prime Fed racking up wins against teenage Djokovic has more value over prime Djokovic racking up wins over past prime Fed? That's plain ridiculous...

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 12:35 AM
and don't understand why he stopped to coming in through the third set ??? at that break point after one shot djokovic played a FH slice just to stay in point , it was so obvious that he can't play anything else and roger stayed back and lost the point

no one understands why he does that... anyone who is watching the patterns of play are scratching their head in bewilderment... he spent much of the start of the second buying time using the slice backhand because he had to, and accidentally stumbled on to a winning gameplan as the slow ball was allowing him time inside a rally to position for a forehand... and, as soon he wins the second set he puts the slice away and brings the topspin backhand from the 1st set - which i am sorry, but is not good enough...

he did the same with del potro for a set and a half in USO 2009... chipped, sliced, dinked and dropped del potro all over the court... then, inexplicably, he decided to trade heavy with del potro when up a set and a break..

either federer is an idiot or is too vain to allow himself to believe his topspun backhand is not doing the business at the business end of a tournament...

probably both...

abraxas21
03-20-2011, 12:37 AM
So prime Fed racking up wins against teenage Djokovic has more value over prime Djokovic racking up wins over past prime Fed?

fair enough. that last paragraph was my mandatory djokovic-hatin note. you know i've got to fill the quota here

duong
03-20-2011, 12:39 AM
Plus, he finally won an important match when the #2 rank was on the line.

he did it in US Open as well.

And Fed took it back twice by defeating him in Toronto and Shanghai.

careergrandslam
03-20-2011, 12:40 AM
why didnt federer take off his bandana before he shook hands with djokovic?
he always takes it off, as does nadal.

did something happen that federer didnt like? maybe the roar after the final point by novak hit a raw nerve of rogers.

abraxas21
03-20-2011, 12:40 AM
no one understands why he does that... anyone who is watching the patterns of play are scratching their head in bewilderment... he spent much of the start of the second buying time using the slice backhand because he had to, and accidentally stumbled on to a winning gameplan as the slow ball was allowing him time inside a rally to position for a forehand... and, as soon he wins the second set he puts the slice away and brings the topspin backhand from the 1st set - which i am sorry, but is not good enough...

he did the same with del potro for a set and a half in USO 2009... chipped, sliced, dinked and dropped del potro all over the court... then, inexplicably, he decided to trade heavy with del potro when up a set and a break..

either federer is an idiot or is too vain to allow himself to believe his topspun backhand is not doing the business at the business end of a tournament...

probably both...

excellent summary.

i don't know what he wants. maybe he wants to beat every guy playing his rival's game. whatever it is, it doesn't work.

Lavorama
03-20-2011, 12:41 AM
Hi alter ego :wavey:

Hope you're having a good day..

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20100914&t=2&i=203770251&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=2010-09-14T140326Z_01_BTRE68D131S00_RTROPTP_0_TENNIS-OPEN

The movement of death.. :worship:

As in the movement that kills tennis.

Admit it, Dkokovic's (or Nadal's) playing style is the tennis equivalent of football's catenaccio and has the same exact effect: boredom. But so does serve & volley, so I guess a hard and rare balance has to be reached to allow tennis to become an interesting sport.

Unless, of course, the rules change, like they did in volleyball.

Fujee
03-20-2011, 12:43 AM
Do you mean how he played at the WTF? That was a special case where the super low bouncing court protected his backhand from being exploited and so he looked to be playing great. Shots to his backhand were all in his strikezone, unlike basically every other court on tour.

Did you see how high the balls where bouncing in the final? This court wasn't the problem it was rogers gameplan, weak frame of mind and inability to execute. Annoying. It's just frustrating to see grinding bully a players talent. Homogenisation has ruined everything. It really has just gone slow high bounce everywhere, fuck.

Mr. Oracle
03-20-2011, 12:43 AM
One more note, I was surprised to see joker get p/o'ed at the crowd for cheering for Fed. Still has to grow up a little that way. Thought he finally got passed that. All, stereotypes aside, some of that is attributable to the volatile serbian emotionality, and we know that joker is as emotional as they come. When he is funny, there are few who are funnier, when he is gracious, he smothers his opponents with hugs and kisses on the lips, when he gets pissed, he lets it out so the whole world can see. It is the british stiff upper lip in reverse.

samanosuke
03-20-2011, 12:44 AM
no one understands why he does that... anyone who is watching the patterns of play are scratching their head in bewilderment... he spent much of the start of the second buying time using the slice backhand because he had to, and accidentally stumbled on to a winning gameplan as the slow ball was allowing him time inside a rally to position for a forehand... and, as soon he wins the second set he puts the slice away and brings the topspin backhand from the 1st set - which i am sorry, but is not good enough...

he did the same with del potro for a set and a half in USO 2009... chipped, sliced, dinked and dropped del potro all over the court... then, inexplicably, he decided to trade heavy with del potro when up a set and a break..

either federer is an idiot or is too vain to allow himself to believe his topspun backhand is not doing the business at the business end of a tournament...

probably both...

good thoughts

i would say it that he is an idiot because he thinks that his top spin in good enough to deal with nole's , murray's or delpo's BH's . he can't be so retarded and doesn't see that these guys are living from one dimensional game and playing in tempo without some changes and different looks on the game . also in matches again djokovic every time when he starts to play higher and no pace balls , nole doesn't know what to do with it and starts to make plenty of errors . and when federer returns to match with this game plan he again transforms his game into attacking UE machine . too many wrong decisions

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 12:44 AM
what kind of tactical battle ?

I mean Sampras had a great serve when the rest was not good, but Fed ?

Especially with Djokovic who has all of the solutions against his game now :shrug:

I really can't see what kind of tactics Fed can afford against Djokovic when he doesn't play his best :shrug:

And remember he hasn't lost to anybody but Djokovic since Paris last year, and even to anybody but Djokovic and Murray apart from that loss to Monfils in Paris.

it's not as if he was that inconsistent :shrug:

were you watching the match...?

fed had abandoned the topspin backhand, by chance thru being forced to hustle for points, and met upon a tactic that worked... dropped the topspin bh that was not only bleeding unforced errors, but also allowing djokovic control of every rally... engaging djokovic with slice of that wing, and thereby slowing the pace of the rally down to a speed where federer is still comfortable... not the hammering on that novak is not only comfortable with, but inside his academy styled game he was built for... NOTE TO NOOBS: NOVAK WAS BUILT FOR DESTROYING YOU AT HIGH PACE USING AND REFLECTING YOUR POWER... the slowness and accuracy of federers slice also allows him to work the point into a favourable position to unleash his forehand - which he was doing, and gained the momentum into the 3rd - only to surrender it instantly by going with the topspin backhand int the first game...

also, surprised he still has annacone keeping him company, cos he sure as shit wouldnt be telling him to try to trade with djokovic... maybe he's too scared to tell fed... (?)

it's not rocket science...

but he walked into that tactic, and went with it till the end of the set, then adopted the shank as a weapon... of self harm...

duong
03-20-2011, 12:44 AM
why didnt federer take off his bandana before he shook hands with djokovic?
he always takes it off, as does nadal.

did something happen that federer didnt like? maybe the roar after the final point by novak hit a raw nerve of rogers.

that's MTF :cuckoo:

does every little blink or foot movement have to be interpreted ?

Fujee
03-20-2011, 12:45 AM
Great post fast_clay - i agree.

Priam
03-20-2011, 12:47 AM
yes, but for "all the greats", it was also partly physical imo even though it didn't look so :

I mean when you play a rally and make a seemingly silly error after several shots, it may be tiredness ;

if you go for a forehand attack and you miss it by far, it may be that you were not fit enough to take a good position

etc etc ...

look at Djokovic's defense today : what would it be without his physique ?

Surely, most people will agree it's more mental rather than physical. Of course, the physical decline is also a factor. But in Roger's case, I think the mental decline has become more apparent/evident the past couple of years.

tennizen
03-20-2011, 12:48 AM
I think this followed the usual pattern of their matches. Fed tries to hit big with Nole but is too slow and too inconsistent and loses the first set. Then he changes tactics early in the second with slower pace, slices, more topspin on the forehand and it works for a while. But he cannot keep up this style for long and Nole tempts him into mindless aggression again at which point he gets angry and throws away the match.

Fujee
03-20-2011, 12:49 AM
i miss jesusfed.

duong
03-20-2011, 12:50 AM
So prime Fed racking up wins against teenage Djokovic has more value over prime Djokovic racking up wins over past prime Fed? That's plain ridiculous...

the difference is that Djokovic has been a teenager for a short time and Fed will be old for long ;)

Anyway, I'm used to considering peak age as 24-25, which makes 2005-2006 for Fed and 2011-2012 for Nole, then I consider that the most balanced period for their meetings is in the middle, that is 2008-2009 ;)

duong
03-20-2011, 12:51 AM
Surely, most people will agree it's more mental rather than physical.

and why ? anyway the majority may be wrong :shrug:

Fujee
03-20-2011, 12:51 AM
Federer isn't the best at rallies, maybe he has trouble accepting that. If he put on a more tactical cap he'd still be dominating. SO annoying.

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 12:51 AM
maybe he wants to beat every guy playing his rival's game

i have often wondered this... to federer's credit, there was a window in time where he was capable...

Fujee
03-20-2011, 12:52 AM
03-07

alfonsojose
03-20-2011, 12:54 AM
Roger had 21 BPs :lol:

duong
03-20-2011, 12:55 AM
were you watching the match...?

fed had abandoned the topspin backhand, by chance thru being forced to hustle for points, and met upon a tactic that worked... dropped the topspin bh that was not only bleeding unforced errors, but also allowing djokovic control of every rally... engaging djokovic with slice of that wing, and thereby slowing the pace of the rally down to a speed where federer is still comfortable... not the hammering on that novak is not only comfortable with, but inside his academy styled game he was built for... NOTE TO NOOBS: NOVAK WAS BUILT FOR DESTROYING YOU AT HIGH PACE USING AND REFLECTING YOUR POWER... the slowness and accuracy of federers slice also allows him to work the point into a favourable position to unleash his forehand - which he was doing, and gained the momentum into the 3rd - only to surrender it instantly by going with the topspin backhand int the first game...

also, surprised he still has annacone keeping him company, cos he sure as shit wouldnt be telling him to try to trade with djokovic... maybe he's too scared to tell fed... (?)

it's not rocket science...

but he walked into that tactic, and went with it till the end of the set, then adopted the shank as a weapon... of self harm...

I disagree : it's always that kind of simple explanations which people give : I don't think the whole match can be summarized about the backhand :shrug:

And what if Djokovic himself did raise his level in that third set ?

I mean if he made unforced errors on that chip in that second set, he maybe avoided them in the third one ?
that's what I think as well.

As for Annacone, he was the one who told him not to chip backhand returns on second serve, and also to go more for his shots :shrug:

Of course you have the usual easy explanation "Annacone sees right but Fed, he's talented but so stupid" :shrug:

How has such a stupid guy won so much without a coach ?

Priam
03-20-2011, 12:55 AM
Is Roger injured? I haven't heard anything.

Certinfy
03-20-2011, 12:55 AM
Federer doesn't need shit, he just needs a backhand.

tennizen
03-20-2011, 12:56 AM
no one understands why he does that... anyone who is watching the patterns of play are scratching their head in bewilderment... he spent much of the start of the second buying time using the slice backhand because he had to, and accidentally stumbled on to a winning gameplan as the slow ball was allowing him time inside a rally to position for a forehand... and, as soon he wins the second set he puts the slice away and brings the topspin backhand from the 1st set - which i am sorry, but is not good enough...

he did the same with del potro for a set and a half in USO 2009... chipped, sliced, dinked and dropped del potro all over the court... then, inexplicably, he decided to trade heavy with del potro when up a set and a break..

either federer is an idiot or is too vain to allow himself to believe his topspun backhand is not doing the business at the business end of a tournament...

probably both...

I think it's a case of inability. He cannot keep up that slicing, mixing thing for very long as he is used to being the aggressor most of the time. And secondly, I suspect the opponent has something to do with it. Top players can tempt opponents into over hitting.

Young 8
03-20-2011, 12:56 AM
Roger had 21 BPs :lol:

what ?

MIMIC
03-20-2011, 12:58 AM
Definitely something psychological right now.

When he breaks, he can't seem to hold. Or when he needs to hold, he can't.
Break points he's horrible.

There's definitely a problem, I how they can fix it, because this costing Roger many many matches.

HIS NAME IS NOVAK DJOKOVIC, the one and only man Federer has lost to this year.

duong
03-20-2011, 12:59 AM
Is Roger injured? I haven't heard anything.

nobody said he was injured :shrug:

tiredness also exists in tennis :shrug:

tektonac
03-20-2011, 12:59 AM
Roger had 21 BPs :lol:

Just tells you about Nole's clutch play.




One thing has become notorious: the tickest Fedtards started bringing his CV into play as the last argument left.

FlameOn
03-20-2011, 01:00 AM
Roger had 21 BPs :lol:
He had 9 BPs. :unsure:

Anyway, Nole. :bigclap: What a year this has been so far. Long may it continue.

SetSampras
03-20-2011, 01:03 AM
it comes down to the fact, that now that Fed's abilities have declined a bit, he needs to compensate for that with keeping pressure on his opponent and staying aggressive and not letting go of the noose when he holds the rope. He doesn't have a Serve of a Sampras or Karlovic to keep in matches or keep the match on his side.. He doesnt have the confidence because of his declining abilities. He was more confident in himself during the 04-07 mug era because he was just so much more on a different level at that particular time.. He isn't now so he can't make up for the discrepancy with mental toughness

star
03-20-2011, 01:04 AM
One more note, I was surprised to see joker get p/o'ed at the crowd for cheering for Fed. Still has to grow up a little that way. Thought he finally got passed that. All, stereotypes aside, some of that is attributable to the volatile serbian emotionality, and we know that joker is as emotional as they come. When he is funny, there are few who are funnier, when he is gracious, he smothers his opponents with hugs and kisses on the lips, when he gets pissed, he lets it out so the whole world can see. It is the british stiff upper lip in reverse.


There was a guy behind Nole who kept yelling out as he was serving. That's the only issue I saw with the crowd. The whole crowd was really annoying with the way some individuals were yelling just before serves and in-between serves.

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 01:04 AM
I disagree : it's always that kind of simple explanations which people give : I don't think the whole match can be summarized about the backhand :shrug:

And what if Djokovic himself did raise his level in that third set ?

I mean if he made unforced errors on that chip in that second set, he maybe avoided them in the third one ?
that's what I think as well.

what else can he use to slow the pace of the rally, while not surrendering the forecourt...?

looked pretty simple to me :shrug: same in uso 2009 :shrug: why trade with these guys when you're capable of totally destroying them with the type of anti-academy tennis highlighted best by a match up like santoro vs safin...

djokovic is an aggressive baseliner... he would be a counter puncher in the mould of lleyton hewitt but for his ability to generate power from nothing...

yet the fact remains that both aggressive baseliners and counterpunchers require one thing - rhythm... federer has all the tools in the world to adjust the rhythm (+ a shit topspin backhand he needs to conceal the moment it leaks multiple useless errors per set)

mate, it'll be the difference between 16 and 18 slams...

but i know you are a broken hearted fedtard underneath judging by that bad rep you gave me, so you'll go your own way...

good luck with that...

abraxas21
03-20-2011, 01:05 AM
I disagree : it's always that kind of simple explanations which people give : I don't think the whole match can be summarized about the backhand :shrug:

And what if Djokovic himself did raise his level in that third set ?

I mean if he made unforced errors on that chip in that second set, he maybe avoided them in the third one ?
that's what I think as well.

As for Annacone, he was the one who told him not to chip backhand returns on second serve, and also to go more for his shots :shrug:

Of course you have the usual easy explanation "Annacone sees right but Fed, he's talented but so stupid" :shrug:

How has such a stupid guy won so much without a coach ?

thing is, i do think fed should aim at improving his topspin backhand and i thought paul was right on the money with suggesting him to go for more there. fed's got a good backhand slice but that shot alone doesn't cut it against players like nadal or djokovic. the problem with fed's topspin backhand is simply that it ain't good enough most of the times so it's a bit of a tricky situation. he needs to improve it somehow.

anyhow, i think that even with a crappy backhand, the issues with federer went mostly through his mind during the third set, imo.

he was up 2-2 40-15 up with the momentum and suddenly he couldnt buy a first serve and was spraying errors all over the place. he committed 3 UE in a row to give Djoko a break point, and to top it all, then he double-faulted to give nole the break. it went all downhill from there. he turned into an UE machine and his first serve just left him. what happened? the problem was clearly mental imo. hence why i made this thread with such a title.

Fujee
03-20-2011, 01:05 AM
Novak deserves the win, Roger isn't playing tennis at the moment. He's AWOL

Aloimeh
03-20-2011, 01:08 AM
Americans usually favor underdogs. Why they chose today to favor someone who has really won it all (Federer) over someone who is much younger and trying to make a name for himself in this sport, is beyond me. The way they made standing ovations on Novak's double faults and netted balls was just ridiculous.

duong
03-20-2011, 01:08 AM
what else can he use to slow the pace of the rally, while not surrendering the forecourt...?

looked pretty simple to me :shrug: same in uso 2009 :shrug: why trade with these guys when you're capable of totally destroying them with the type of anti-academy tennis highlighted best by a match up like santoro vs safin...

djokovic is an aggressive baseliner... he would be a counter puncher in the mould of lleyton hewitt but for his ability to generate power from nothing...

yet the fact remains that both aggressive baseliners and counterpunchers require one thing - rhythm... federer has all the tools in the world to adjust the rhythm (+ a shit topspin backhand he needs to conceal the moment it leaks multiple useless errors per set)

mate, it'll be the difference between 16 and 18 slams...

but i know you are a broken hearted fedtard underneath judging by that bad rep you gave me, so you'll go your own way...

good luck with that...

no I just think Djokovic is better than you think :D he's able to generate his own rhythm, sometimes he loses it but he can get it back

Fujee
03-20-2011, 01:09 AM
Americans usually favor underdogs. Why they chose today to favor someone who has really won it all (Federer) over someone who is much younger and trying to make a name for himself in this sport, is beyond me. The way they made standing ovations on Novak's double faults and netted balls was just ridiculous.

Worse than RG

Young 8
03-20-2011, 01:10 AM
Americans usually favor underdogs. Why they chose today to favor someone who has really won it all (Federer) over someone who is much younger and trying to make a name for himself in this sport, is beyond me. The way they made standing ovations on Novak's double faults and netted balls was just ridiculous.

Let's talk about Ellison

He was ridiculous in the Karlovic-Nadal match

Clay Death
03-20-2011, 01:11 AM
Hi alter ego :wavey:

Hope you're having a good day..

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20100914&t=2&i=203770251&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=2010-09-14T140326Z_01_BTRE68D131S00_RTROPTP_0_TENNIS-OPEN

The movement of death.. :worship:


that is it. that is the ultimate "movement of death".shit mate. he looks fast as hell even in a still photo.

it looks like he flying at 40 mph and that is just his 2nd gear.

duong
03-20-2011, 01:11 AM
he was up 2-2 40-15 up with the momentum and suddenly he couldnt buy a first serve and was spraying errors all over the place. he committed 3 UE in a row to give Djoko a break point, and to top it all, then he double-faulted to give nole the break. it went all downhill from there. he turned into an UE machine and his first serve just left him. what happened? the problem was clearly mental imo. hence why i made this thread with such a title.

from my memories the first serve was really bad in the beginning of third set (first break from Djoko), at 2-2 it was more unforced errors but one ws quite close and caused by the fact he went for his shots : I don't think that miss was mental :shrug:

also I think the physique may be involved in rally errors in that third set.

zlaja777
03-20-2011, 01:11 AM
Number twooooo
the fact that the match for #2 was 44-69 had 44 w/69 ues says something bout state of tennis tho

The combined effort of both:

44 winners
69 unforced errors

Strong era!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Total nonsense. - coments like these can't come from a true tennis fan, imo. This was a high-quality match. W/UE ratio means shit here. Extra strong hitting. It's not easy to hit a lot of winners when players are defending so well. Roger was dying out there today to reach those balls left and right from Djokovic.

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 01:13 AM
I think it's a case of inability. He cannot keep up that slicing, mixing thing for very long as he is used to being the aggressor most of the time. And secondly, I suspect the opponent has something to do with it. Top players can tempt opponents into over hitting.

then he should perhaps retire if he is too proud to admit that he must adjust according to his opponent... i mean, it's not even a change... i watched him carve lleyton hewitt's career into pieces simply by starving hewitt of the pace he needs to hurt... block return, slice, slowball, slice, chip, slice, heavy fh, heavy fh, point over - time and time again vs hewitt from 04 onwards...

he was doing such in his prime...

belco
03-20-2011, 01:14 AM
Anybody who missed the match can download it in full from tennishaven in English comm :)

ATP.2011.Indian.Wells.SF.Djokovic.vs.Federer.ENG.x 264 (http://tennishaven.com/details.php?id=953)

abraxas21
03-20-2011, 01:14 AM
from my memories the first serve was really bad in the beginning of third set (first break from Djoko), at 2-2 it was more unforced errors but one ws quite close and caused by the fact he went for his shots : I don't think that miss was mental :shrug:

also I think the physique may be involved in rally errors in that third set.

we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

i mean, we're talking of a guy who thinks about songs when he plays for crying out loud
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=177962



edit: i don't attribute any specific mishit to a mental lapse but when you've got a federer who can't barely put a first serve in during an extended period of time and who makes error after error, then you've got to think his "concentration wanders", as he put it himself. I'm not specifically talking about this match in particular; i'm talking in general terms. federer's concentration is known to be shaky to say the least. many times he's dominating through a set and then crubles for about 3 or 4 games. Against the lower ranked players he's able to win anyhow but against the nadals and the djokovics he needs to be at his best all the time -and he just cannot do it.

fast_clay
03-20-2011, 01:16 AM
no I just think Djokovic is better than you think :D he's able to generate his own rhythm, sometimes he loses it but he can get it back

djokovic's ability is very dependant upon his sublime physicality... his career will dip sharper, earlier... as will nadals, in a very similar way... a couple of solid breakdowns per season...

federer's career is governed by a couple of extra variables...

one variable is owning an extensive catalogue of shots he doesnt use to twist a match the way he sees fit...