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Tomas Berdych's Serve.

Certinfy
03-16-2011, 11:32 PM
We talked about how Soderling's serve has gone pretty much shit near the end of last year but we need to ask about Berdych's as well, a few years ago it was amazing compared to now and besides RG and Wimbledon last year it's been pretty much a piece of shit :help:

So what's up with it?

elena_k
03-16-2011, 11:38 PM
I think his 2nd serve is probably better, but his 1st serve is not as good. This was shown in his recent match against Wawrinka, 46% 1st serves in and no aces. Maybe it is because he is working on other parts of his game.

Voo de Mar
03-17-2011, 01:07 AM
This year I noticed for the first time (before the serve) that Berdych has amazingly muscular thighs, I'm not sure whether it's a matter of his special training on a gym lately or shorter shorts :o

Li Ching Yuen
03-17-2011, 01:11 AM
He really needs to scratch things off and learn a decent kick-serve. It's simply not worth going for that flat serve on his first and not even get half of them in. That's futures level right there.

Working on bending those knees and go for a risky first one and even if your opponent gets it back in he won't be able to do much with it.

Mr. Butterfly
03-17-2011, 01:15 AM
He's been training with Safarova too much

Lopez
03-17-2011, 01:16 AM
He has a problem that some other servers have (usually tall servers): They hit the first and second serves with too different techniques. Blast the first one flat and then guide the second one in, instead of controlling the amount of spin.

Similar servers: Del Potro, Murray, Karlovic, Nieminen.

Li Ching Yuen
03-17-2011, 01:20 AM
He has a problem that some other servers have (usually tall servers): They hit the first and second serves with too different techniques. Blast the first one flat and then guide the second one in, instead of controlling the amount of spin.

Similar servers: Del Potro, Murray, Karlovic, Nieminen.

What? no way.

Nixer
03-17-2011, 01:22 AM
He was never that good on serve - considering his height... but yeah, maybe has become even worse later - too heavily dependent on overall form, doesn't help in tight situations

Lopez
03-17-2011, 01:23 AM
What? no way.

Oh cmon, Ivo blasts the first one flat and his second delivery is a lot worse. It's not as bad as some of the others though.

Isner for example has better technique than Ivo in his serve from just a technique standpoint. Ivo gets the results however.

Li Ching Yuen
03-17-2011, 01:25 AM
Oh cmon, Ivo blasts the first one flat and his second delivery is a lot worse. It's not as bad as some of the others though.

Isner for example has better technique than Ivo in his serve from just a technique standpoint. Ivo gets the results however.

Karlovic has a similar technique on both deliveries.

Lopez
03-17-2011, 01:27 AM
Karlovic has a similar technique on both deliveries.

Isner's is better :p. But we can agree to disagree.

Li Ching Yuen
03-17-2011, 01:29 AM
Karlovic has much better placement though.

Action Jackson
03-17-2011, 01:35 AM
Berdych for a tall guy has a shit kick serve and Karlovic has good disguise and placement.

PiggyGotRoasted
07-21-2011, 05:02 PM
We talked about how Soderling's serve has gone pretty much shit near the end of last year but we need to ask about Berdych's as well, a few years ago it was amazing compared to now and besides RG and Wimbledon last year it's been pretty much a piece of shit

So what's up with it?

romismak
07-21-2011, 05:12 PM
His serve is ok, with his strengh and height he has potentially one of best serves on the tour, but also in reality he has one of best. HE is up there in top 5, top 10 in service categories on ATP statistics like won 1st serve points, or service games held, his 2Nd serve maybe should be better, but what made it look worse maybe are his groundstrokes you need to be confident and have great FH or BH to finish easy points after huge serves- something he was doing at RG, WIM last year, but not overall that much lately. So his serve is ok top 10 on the tour, but he need better overall game to make it look better-serve i mean.

Clay Death
07-21-2011, 05:27 PM
he is nearly 6 foot 6.

he has no excuse for not having a dominating serve.

it all boils down to work. is he putting in the hard yards?

MaxPower
07-21-2011, 07:42 PM
Berdych is like Soderling with the serve. When it's not clicking the way he wants he is stubborn enough to try even harder often with more power which only leads to an even lower FS %. Got a decent payoff in the long run but for short stretches and especially individual matches it can be pretty bad.

Mostly an issue for his coach. Berdych needs to take pace off the serve and focus on getting FS in with good placement, even if it's just 180-190kmh. Then when he gets the serve to bite again he can continue going for the 210-220 bombs. Problem solved

dombrfc
07-21-2011, 08:03 PM
Berdych needs to take pace off the serve and focus on getting FS in with good placement, even if it's just 180-190mph.

Not bad speed for taking pace off :worship::worship::worship:

MaxPower
07-21-2011, 08:07 PM
meant kmh of course!

Jomp1
07-21-2011, 08:20 PM
Players on tour are also thoroughly better at returning serves these days, especially the hard serves. Speed doesn't kill nearly as much as it used to since players have gotten accustomed to them(plus that courts are overall slower ofc). This is the biggest problem for Soderling, Berdych etc. who always went for speed the way I see it. Soderling has pretty much completely changed his serving tactics now though, except when he plays the very top players. Berdych should look for a similar pat. Against inferior players you're much better off getting placement on the ball and dictating the points, rather than constantly hitting second serves. They're so good that they don't need that extra jam unless they play Fedal, Andrew or Nole.

Mateya
07-21-2011, 08:33 PM
The quality of Tomaš serve depends on amount of quality time spent with Lucie.
:p

Seriously, I don't know.
Could be just a tiny, almost unvisible technique thing...When serving flat 200km/h it takes only a fraction of a second or racquet angle position and serve goes all over the place.

On the end, a lot depends on a day form. ;)

Navratil
07-22-2011, 12:28 PM
He's been training with Safarova too much

But his serve is still better than hers ;)