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IW R4: Del Potro shocks Mugschreiber 7-6 7-6

Young 8
03-16-2011, 09:34 PM
Epic Choke for the German in the TB



:eek:

Arkulari
03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
Juan :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

puppy555
03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
Led 6-1 in the second set TB :o

nole_no1
03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
Kohlschreiber lead 6-1 in the 2nd set TB :spit:

_Chaz
03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
OMG
I guess he wanted to imitate the FC Bayern Munich from yesterday :rolleyes:

PoliFanAthic
03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
Great job Juan Martin!

rocketassist
03-16-2011, 09:35 PM
:lol: at this era. Del Potro still counts as a top player btw.

Talented headcase outplays top player, then in the TB dumps every shot into the net.

Yaaaaaaaaawn.

henke007
03-16-2011, 09:36 PM
Kohl chokes and Tandiltower accepts.

Good for a while there i was seeing Robredo in the semis after a loooong 3 setmatch between these 2.

RIboy
03-16-2011, 09:36 PM
German powaaaaaaa

Deathless Mortal
03-16-2011, 09:36 PM
What a choke that was.

rubbERR
03-16-2011, 09:36 PM
QQ you all, Delpo had chance doublebreak 2nd set, it was choking both sides not only one.

philosophicalarf
03-16-2011, 09:36 PM
Dear oh dear.

Kohl looked the better player through first set, didn't take chances, unclutch tiebreak.

Then melted in disappointment, close to double break, recovered, looked the better player, didn't take chances, 6-1 in tiebreak, passive, tight, choke, loses next 6 points and the match.

jonathancrane
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Kohli and his chokes :lol:

abraxas21
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
philipp, what a choke

i like this german, but his ongoing chokes prevent me from becoming a fan.

STUHL
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
I'm a bit shocked right now ....

Voo de Mar
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Unbelievable mental resistance by Del Potro :worship:
After the 2009 season I considered him as the toughest mental player in the world and I have to keep this statement at the moment. It's not only a matter of '1:6' in the TB, the additional difficulty is to win from such a tough position having earlier in a set 3:0 (40-15) and a match point.

rofe
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Embarrassing for Kohli. I guess he is used to it by now.

rubbERR
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Losers have short memory, always remembering last part of match, dont forget that Delpo choked mid 2nd set.

Only full sense human here is Voo de Mar :lol:

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Crazy second set.... Delpo was up 3-0 40-15*... Kohli had given up and wasn't even trying and out of nowhere Pony started missing everything and a little more and just forced Philipp back into the match. Also wasted a MP with poor shot selection.

In the tb Juan continued playing choketastically and fell down 1-6... Kohli proved the most talented choker of the two and wasted all 5sps, most of them with silly ues (Pony wasn't even hitting first serves). Unreal match.

Pony is a funny player... horrible frontunner... often gives away huge leads but then somehow manages to regroup... over and over again.

Argenbrit
03-16-2011, 09:37 PM
The final tiebreak was :eek:

Nole Rules
03-16-2011, 09:38 PM
:haha:

ZaZoo)
03-16-2011, 09:38 PM
Mugschreiber :haha:

Delpo, even though choked the lead previously, good job. http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/smilies/thumb.gif

FlameOn
03-16-2011, 09:38 PM
Kohli. :o Nando would've been proud of that TB collapse.

Delpo. :bigclap:

Mario000
03-16-2011, 09:38 PM
Chokeschreiber

Young 8
03-16-2011, 09:39 PM
. Kohli proved the most talented choker of the two


This

vn01
03-16-2011, 09:39 PM
Huge Del Potro! VAMOS! What a comeback in the 2nd set. VAMOS! :worship:

philosophicalarf
03-16-2011, 09:39 PM
philipp, what a choke

i like this german, but his ongoing chokes prevent me from becoming a fan.

Yeah.

He's at the stage Melzer was 18 months ago. Good aggressive firepower, plenty options in the toolkit, but mentally not strong enough, can't put it together.

It's coming though. His game has improved in aspects under Maclagan, especially defence (unsurprisingly). Returning from injury last year upset that a bit, but when he puts it together he could do some real damage.

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 09:39 PM
Unbelievable mental resistance by Del Potro :worship:
After the 2009 season I considered him as the toughest mental player in the world and I have to keep this statement at the moment. It's not only a matter of '1:6' in the TB, the additional difficulty is to win from such a tough position having earlier in a set 3:0 (40-15) and a match point.

We had this discussion before, but is he so mentally tough if he repeatedly squanders large leads? Remember last round also was broken serving for the first and then for the match. Sure, often he wins in the end so he is a mentally strong player, but he would mentally stronger if he closed out matches earlier, imo.

FMD89
03-16-2011, 09:40 PM
I still cant believe that kohli gave 6-1 lead away.

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 09:42 PM
By the way, JMDP is 7-1 in tbs this year

Doomach777
03-16-2011, 09:42 PM
Epic

Voo de Mar
03-16-2011, 09:43 PM
Record in '7-6 7-6' matches at the main level:

6-0 Del Potro
4-2 Kohlschreiber

scarecrows
03-16-2011, 09:43 PM
Kohli didnt make so many UEs in TB from 6-1 like people here are saying
he just played passive and Potro toook advantage
only clear UE i remember was at 7-7

tennishero
03-16-2011, 09:44 PM
incredible comeback in the TB from delpo, pulled off some nice winners

tealeaves
03-16-2011, 09:45 PM
Kohli did make so many UEs in TB from 6-1 like people here are saying
he just played passive and Potro toook advantage
only clear UE i remember was at 7-7

2 unreturnable serve? -> Forced error -> FH Winner -> Unreturnable serve.

Jade Fox
03-16-2011, 09:47 PM
What are you guys talking about Kohli choking? The only time he had a lead in this match was in the second set TB. He was playing catch up the whole match. If anything Delpo could've won it easier.

But good for Delpo for keeping his cool. Hopefully his stomach will get better and he can make the semis.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2011, 09:48 PM
We had this discussion before, but is he so mentally tough if he repeatedly squanders large leads? Remember last round also was broken serving for the first and then for the match. Sure, often he wins in the end so he is a mentally strong player, but he would mentally stronger if he closed out matches earlier, imo.

I completely disagree. Each player is forced to play dozen of sets during the season so each of them, no matter it's Nadal or Hajek, loses games serving to win the set, the difference is - players like Nadal will lose a set in these circumstances once in 10 occasions, Hajek will lose 6 out of 10, and that's the difference in the mental department. Show me a player who wins 6-2 6-2 all matches in a season, such things occurred 40 years ago and earlier in women's tennis.

For me the thing is clear,
- if you lead 5:0 (40-0) and you lose a set, it's a sign of your mental weakness,
- if you lead 5:0 (40-0) afterwards you're 5:6 (30-40) to win the set, you're mentally strong
- if you lead 5:0 (40-0) and you win 6-0 or 6-2 it's nothing, just another set of thousands you're supposed to play during your career.

scarecrows
03-16-2011, 09:49 PM
2 unreturnable serve? -> Forced error -> FH Winner -> Unreturnable serve.

yea, smth like that
i corrected my post above
wanted to write "didnt"

nadejda
03-16-2011, 09:51 PM
yeah Del Po is a mental giant to DF on a break point leading 1 set and up a break in the second against having a walk around Kohli...:lol:

i kinda like Philipp but the huge choke today is so so :eek::eek: overwhelming! Jeusus!

Kohli is especially designed to torture everybody to the very last minute until finally choked and went away to watch Baern Munchen :haha:

Zaks_289
03-16-2011, 09:53 PM
2 unreturnable serve? -> Forced error -> FH Winner -> Unreturnable serve.

It's backhand down the line ---> the most important point of the match.

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 09:54 PM
I completely disagree. Each player is forced to play dozen of sets during the season so each of them, no matter it's Nadal or Hajek, loses games serving to win the set, the difference is - players like Nadal will lose a set in these circumstances once in 10 occasions, Hajek will lose 6 out of 10, and that's the difference in the mental department. Show me a player who wins 6-2 6-2 all matches in a season, such things occurred 40 years ago and earlier in women's tennis.

For me the thing is clear,
- if you lead 5:0 (40-0) and you lose a set, it's a sign of your mental weakness, - if you lead 5:0 (40-0) afterwards you're 5:6 (30-4) to win the set, you're mentally strong
- if you lead 5:0 (40-0 and you win 6-0 or 6-2 it's nothing, just another set of thousands you're supposed to play during your career.

I agree with this at an abstract level, the problem is that Delpo wastes leads with alarmingly high frequency. Today was up a break in the first, went to a tb, was up a break in the second, went to a tb. Last match against Dolgo, served for the first, broken, served for the match, broken. Against Ljubo in the first set, was up a break, served for the set, broken (and lost the set). This is a pattern in his career, it happens much more often than to Nadal or Hajek (well, Hajek is rarely up a break so no chances for him to happen :lol:). Ok, he usually wins in the end, so he's mentally strong, but not as strong as someone who maintains his leads most of the time.

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 09:56 PM
yea, smth like that
i corrected my post above
wanted to write "didnt"

I was wrong about Kohli making ues... he did play passively though.

myrt
03-16-2011, 09:58 PM
2 unreturnable serve? -> Forced error -> FH Winner -> Unreturnable serve.

Thanks for the explaination. Stepped away from the computer 'cause at 6-1 I knew there would be a third set. Came back a few minutes later to see Robredo/Querrey replay. Unbelievable. Pleased with most of the matches I've seen this tournament. Might come here instead of Cincy next year.

Voo de Mar
03-16-2011, 10:00 PM
I agree with this at an abstract level, the problem is that Delpo wastes leads with alarmingly high frequency. Today was up a break in the first, went to a tb, was up a break in the second, went to a tb. Last match against Dolgo, served for the first, broken, served for the match, broken. Against Ljubo in the first set, was up a break, served for the set, broken (and lost the set). This is a pattern in his career, it happens much more often than to Nadal or Hajek (well, Hajek is rarely up a break so no chances for him to happen :lol:). Ok, he usually wins in the end, so he's mentally strong, but not as strong as someone who maintains his leads most of the time.

It's not true, you write like you tend to remember the last tournament what's the easiest thing to do. Look at Del Potro's other straight sets wins this season:
Gabashvili 6-3 6-2
Lacko 6-1 7-6(1)
Hewitt 6-2 6-4
Isner 6-4 6-3
Dodig 6-4 6-4
Russell 6-4 6-2
Berankis 6-4 6-1
Gabashvili 6-1 6-1
Anderson 6-4 6-4
Fish 6-1 7-5
Tipsarevic 6-4 6-4

Where's this pattern? He was down in the 2nd set against Fish and the 1st set against Tipsarevic, went with serve against Lacko, in all other sets built a lead and was holding his serve to the end. Obviously it's easier to win a set 6-1 against Gabashvili when you lead 3:0 (40-15) than against Kohlschreiber.

For god's sake, Kohlschreiber won 17-15 fifth set in Paris (the longest 5th set in terms of games in the whole Roland Garros history), a couple other times 8-6 in the 5th, once 9-7 once 7-5. He has his mental collapses but he is able to get from time to time more dramatic wins than an average tour player.

tennizen
03-16-2011, 10:03 PM
Kohlschreiber is always like that. Can't win and won't let go. That said he was killing Delpo in the first set and Delpo really really raised his level in the tiebreak to win it. Then I think he relaxed again after he had the lead. Didn't watch the second set tiebreak.

scarecrows
03-16-2011, 10:05 PM
DelPotro complained about smth that looked like alimentary problem in the 1st set
then he ate a banana and was fine

eat bananas guys

Elbarto
03-16-2011, 10:10 PM
Del Potro needs now to improve his serve, he sould have won 6-4,6-4 against Kolschreiber ( he had a break in each set )

he suffered from hypoglycemia, probably he is not used to playing early ( 11h am ) and he forgot to take a breakfast,

next time maybe he will play in night session, this could resolve this issue ( Del Potro seems to have better results if he plays in the evening )

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 10:13 PM
It's not true, you write like you tend to remember the last tournament what's the easiest thing to do. Look at Del Potro's other straight sets wins this season:
Gabashvili 6-3 6-2
Lacko 6-1 7-6(1)
Hewitt 6-2 6-4
Isner 6-4 6-3
Dodig 6-4 6-4
Russell 6-4 6-2
Berankis 6-4 6-1
Gabashvili 6-1 6-1
Anderson 6-4 6-4
Fish 6-1 7-5
Tipsarevic 6-4 6-4

Where's this pattern? He was down in the 2nd set against Fish and the 1st set against Tipsarevic, went with serve against Lacko, in all other sets built a lead and was holding his serve to the end. Obviously it's easier to win a set 6-1 against Gabashvili when you lead 3:0 (40-15) than against Kohlschreiber.

For god's sake, Kohlschreiber won 17-15 fifth set in Paris (the longest 5th set in terms of games in the whole Roland Garros history), a couple other times 8-6 in the 5th, once 9-7 once 7-5. He has his mental collapses but he is able to get from time to time more dramatic wins than an average tour player.


Different category of players. Of course he's going to win convincingly when he's overwhelmingly better, and most of the time he's going to hold serve as needed. I still think he struggles more often when in front, compared to top 10 players (where he aspires to be), some statistics over a longer period would be interesting.

I certainly see your point, but he does seem to lose focus when closing down certain matches.

acionescu
03-16-2011, 10:16 PM
Kohlishit :retard:

viruzzz
03-16-2011, 10:19 PM
Very big choke by Kohly.
He should have won the 2nd set easily.
Great stuff from Pony, a SF with Nadal would be good.
And then a Final with Fed and another USO10.
I want that.

Dini
03-16-2011, 10:22 PM
DelPotro complained about smth that looked like alimentary problem in the 1st set
then he ate a banana and was fine

eat bananas guys

:spit:

Voo de Mar
03-16-2011, 10:24 PM
Different category of players. Of course he's going to win convincingly when he's overwhelmingly better, and most of the time he's going to hold serve as needed. I still think he struggles more often when in front, compared to top 10 players (where he aspires to be), some statistics over a longer period would be interesting.

I certainly see your point, but he does seem to lose focus when closing down certain matches.

Don't worry, as long as he wins, it's not a problem, even if today he lost that second set to Kohlschreiber he would still nicely win 7-6 the third for instance. Winning matches from match point up losing sets it's also a difficult task which show you don't decrease mentally being forced to build once again something what previously had been almost finished but collapsed.

The two most famous matches in the Open era I guess are Wimbledon's finals:

80: Borg d. McEnroe 1-6 7-5 6-3 6-7(16) 8-6
08: Nadal d. Federer 6-4 6-4 6-7(5) 6-7(8) 9-7

Who gives a shit that Borg wasted 7 match points in the 4th set and Nadal two? :shrug: Who logical would call them chokers?

rafa_maniac
03-16-2011, 10:36 PM
Pony looking pretty good actually. Probably not consistent enough over the course of a whole match to trouble the big boys yet but for sure on the right track.

Chris Kuerten
03-16-2011, 10:37 PM
Pathetic player, should retire.

Chokes against top players and mugs around against the rest.

DJ Soup
03-16-2011, 10:48 PM
First point of the first tiebreak guys guys guys

guys guys guys first point of the first tiebreak guys

sergiodc
03-16-2011, 10:52 PM
OMG
I guess he wanted to imitate the FC Bayern Munich from yesterday :rolleyes: LOL

scarecrows
03-16-2011, 10:58 PM
First point of the first tiebreak guys guys guys

guys guys guys first point of the first tiebreak guys

bad shot selection from Kohli

DJ Soup
03-16-2011, 10:59 PM
ho hum

disagol
03-16-2011, 11:15 PM
What I like about delpo is his will to win, because the german was playing like a top 5 in the first set, making awesome returns, incredibles shots and he still managed to stay in the match somehow. I think it was a good quality match and there were some fantastic points and soft touches in the net ( this is for the ones who say delpo has no touch, watch it again! ).

Corey Feldman
03-16-2011, 11:27 PM
good to see Del Pot back but ppl are fooling themselves if they think he's at the level of before, he has no chance here against Nadal

Voo de Mar
03-16-2011, 11:40 PM
guys guys guys first point of the first tiebreak guys

Yes, I noticed it too and it provoked me to make a new glance at tennis details from psychological point of view. Similar thing yesterday in a match between Raonic and Harrison, yesterday Harrison, today Del Potro, played the first point of the tie-break above their standard abilities (I mean they are unable to play so good from such a difficult position on a regular basis), and suddenly after the first spectacular point they quickly led 6:1! Maybe a coincidence, maybe something more, I have to wait for similar cases.

TheBoiledEgg
03-16-2011, 11:47 PM
Del Pony back with a vengeance :D

DJ Soup
03-16-2011, 11:51 PM
Yes, I noticed it too and it provoked me to make a new glance at tennis details from psychological point of view. Similar thing yesterday in a match between Raonic and Harrison, yesterday Harrison, today Del Potro, played the first point of the tie-break above their standard abilities (I mean they are unable to play so good from such a difficult position on a regular basis), and suddenly after the first spectacular point they quickly led 6:1! Maybe a coincidence, maybe something more, I have to wait for similar cases.

oh yeah I had that thought in mind. That point gave Delpo a tremendous boost of confidence

LocoPorElTenis
03-16-2011, 11:59 PM
bad shot selection from Kohli

Not quite sure about that, Del Potro almost never makes those kind of shots

scarecrows
03-17-2011, 12:18 AM
Not quite sure about that, Del Potro almost never makes those kind of shots

you think Kolhi thought that when hitting?

alfonsojose
03-17-2011, 12:57 AM
WTAesque display from sexy Kohli :lol:

cobalt60
03-17-2011, 12:59 AM
Shocks??? With a scoreline like that?
Glad Delpo won.

Certinfy
03-17-2011, 12:59 AM
Fucking awesome :worship:

School the Spaniards in the next 2 rounds :yeah:

Rafa#Uno:-)
03-17-2011, 01:03 AM
did he have 6-1 in the tie break and loss

that will take a long time to recover from

Topspindoctor
03-17-2011, 01:06 AM
What a pathetic joke. It's okay, though, Nadal will school this brainless ball basher in semis.

shiaben
03-17-2011, 01:07 AM
lmao....he survives again! Del Potro will definitely get back in the top 32 ASAP.

Geo
03-17-2011, 01:28 AM
Nice save by Del Potro in that second set tiebreak :lol: He had good composure to not go crazy after failing to convert that match point at 5-4 30-40 :lol:

Bad choke from Kohlschreiber in the second set tiebreak :tape: just wow.

rubbERR
03-17-2011, 01:29 AM
Not quite sure about that, Del Potro almost never makes those kind of shots

Delray Beach final, WTF 2009 against Söderling and couple more times, he can make some good shots, not unusual to see.

rubbERR
03-17-2011, 01:31 AM
What a pathetic joke. It's okay, though, Nadal will school this brainless ball basher in semis.

Delpo is not pure ballbasher, he is between, u need eyeglasses and therapist.He has different type of variety, he can push pretty well and if needed he can do some ballbashing.

Matt01
03-17-2011, 01:59 AM
WTAesque display from sexy Kohli :lol:


He's not sexy :scared:

Raiden
03-17-2011, 03:40 AM
Woohoo delpo!!!!!!!!!

Keep on resurrecting!