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Rafa Hatas & Co Chat Thread Subdued On Clay - Vol. 69

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MariaV
03-05-2011, 12:17 PM
Enjoy the coming spring with Rafa! :wavey:

Made the thread ready, will be back later with better titles, if you have any suggestions, my inbox is open. :D

JolįnGagó
03-05-2011, 12:46 PM
:yeah:

Getta
03-06-2011, 02:32 PM
vamos

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:32 PM
Vamos Capdeville :rocker2:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:32 PM
3 BPs :rocker:

Metis
03-06-2011, 02:32 PM
Roddick :rolleyes:

star
03-06-2011, 02:32 PM
Vamos Capdeville :rocker2:

:nerner:

-Evita-
03-06-2011, 02:33 PM
UK lost? :lol: :awww: Whom did they lose to?

Metis, it's fine that you didn't know. Ernests didn't participate in the tie so there was no reason to go see it anyway :p Well, okay, Karlis Lejnieks would have been a reason but he fell and broke his nose during practice on Thursday or Friday so he had to be taken to the hospital :awww: :hug:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:34 PM
Roddick has became such a pusher :haha: :haha:

Getta
03-06-2011, 02:37 PM
UK lost? :lol: :awww: Whom did they lose to?


Tunisia, and how is that funny?

star
03-06-2011, 02:37 PM
Roddick :rolleyes:


The NY Times had an article about Davis Cup and Andy's participation. (Also about Simon :tape:)

But despite all those ranking points he will soon have to start defending , the 28-year-old Roddick still made the trip to Chile to be part of Courier’s inaugural voyage as captain.

“Andy is a very giving individual, he missed the team camaraderie, the team meals,” said his coach, Larry Stefanki. “It’s not going to be easy, nothing is ever easy, but it’s something he wants to do, and it’s going to make him happy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sports/tennis/04iht-TENNIS04.html?ref=tennis

star
03-06-2011, 02:39 PM
Tunisia, and how is that funny?

Tunisia! :rocker2: Another blow for freedom.

It's not funny. :sad:

It's hilarious. :lol: :lol:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 02:39 PM
We haven't lost yet - we're 2-1 up in the tie.

We're still *working* on losing.

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:39 PM
Tunisia :haha: :haha:

Metis
03-06-2011, 02:40 PM
Poor Andy, he is no longer the fastest serve record holder. :hug: Ivo hit one at 156mph today. :eek:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:41 PM
In the meantime, Simon is losing :(

Why, oh why, did i let myself talked into picking him :banghead:

-Evita-
03-06-2011, 02:42 PM
Tunisia, and how is that funny?

I just thought they were in such a low group that they should be able to get some wins :shrug: But it's not funny really, it's sad. And mind-boggling.

scoobs
03-06-2011, 02:42 PM
We haven't lost yet :rolleyes:

-Evita-
03-06-2011, 02:45 PM
We haven't lost yet :rolleyes:

I wrote my post before seeing your post :hug: Happy to hear that :)

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:45 PM
Of course you didn't, our bad :hug:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 02:46 PM
I'll let you know when we have.

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:48 PM
Didn't you want to say IF ?

star
03-06-2011, 02:48 PM
In the meantime, Simon is losing :(

Why, oh why, did i let myself talked into picking him :banghead:

The Times went on at length about Simon.


Meanwhile, the French captain Guy Forget, close to an institution in his 12th season in the post, has been told to back off and hold the courtside advice by a player, Gilles Simon, who has yet to win a Davis Cup match that mattered. :o

That Simon remains in the French lineup for Friday’s opening day of play against Austria speaks volumes about France’s current predicament. Its top three players — Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Gaėl Monfils and Richard Gasquet — are all missing with injuries, and Monfils and Gasquet would have been particularly useful on the indoor clay court that the Austrians have installed near Vienna.

****

Not with Austria’s top player, the 10th-ranked Jürgen Melzer, in the best phase of his long career and strong enough on clay to have reached the French Open semifinals last year. Simon, a former top 10 player himself, is still counterpunching his way back up the rankings after a chronic knee problem. Though he has won three minor tournaments on clay, he has had his most impressive results on hardcourts and was in rare form at the Australian Open this year, pushing Roger Federer to a fifth set before losing in the second round.

For now, however, he remains an underachiever in the game’s premier team competition. He has lost all three of his live Davis Cup singles matches and was beaten soundly by Djokovic on the first day of the final last year in Belgrade. The Serbs ultimately won 3-2 as Forget passed over Simon in favor of Michaėl Llodra for the decisive fifth match and then saw Llodra get picked apart in a hurry by Viktor Troicki on the relatively slow indoor court.

Simon, who had a 4-0 record against Troicki, was far from delighted. Forget, despite receiving no shortage of criticism in France for his overall management of the final, received a two-year contract extension.

Simon’s straight-set defeat in Belgrade certainly looks better now, in light of Djokovic’s 12-0 record so far this year. But Simon certainly exposed himself further by giving Forget marching orders during a long interview conducted in Dubai and published this week by the French sports daily L’Equipe.

Simon said he had spoken with Forget at the Australian Open and asked him to change his approach during matches by not offering any more tactical advice. “Or he should spend more time watching how I win matches,” Simon said. “Guy’s vision is proactive. I play more in reaction.

“Guy was an attacking player. He won the Davis Cup and the Paris indoors by attacking, so that’s his perception of the game. I respect it, but it doesn’t correspond at all to my way of playing. When I beat Rafael Nadal in 2008, Guy only noticed my two or three rushes to the net near the end. He told me, ‘You see! It’s like that you beat him!’ But no. In that match, I ran everywhere. Kilometers! Guy remembers the winners but not the mistakes I made the other guy make.”

In the interview, Simon also criticized the atmosphere in the French squad, saying that players often failed to respect team rules or think collectively. Simon might be correct — he is one of the game’s more perceptive and articulate players at the moment — but making his gripes public presumably did little for team morale.

He has since lashed out at L’Equipe, claiming its reporter failed to preserve the spirit of the interview.

Metis
03-06-2011, 02:48 PM
Metis, it's fine that you didn't know. Ernests didn't participate in the tie so there was no reason to go see it anyway :p Well, okay, Karlis Lejnieks would have been a reason but he fell and broke his nose during practice on Thursday or Friday so he had to be taken to the hospital :awww: :hug:

Obviously there was no need for Ernests to play. Good thing too, or the defeat would have been even worse for us. :tape:



Roddick has became such a pusher :haha: :haha:

Weren't you watching the Nadal match? :rolleyes:




The NY Times had an article about Davis Cup and Andy's participation. (Also about Simon :tape:)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/sports/tennis/04iht-TENNIS04.html?ref=tennis

Andy :yeah:



Tunisia! :rocker2: Another blow for freedom.

It's not funny. :sad:

It's hilarious. :lol: :lol:

:spit:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:50 PM
Did they just call BCR Open a minor tournement? :mad: :fiery:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 02:53 PM
I hope now that Ollie is happy that he played Nadal :hug:

Metis
03-06-2011, 02:53 PM
Roddick will win this epic match in 5. :)

-Evita-
03-06-2011, 02:53 PM
Did they just call BCR Open a minor tournement? :mad: :fiery:

Would be hilarious if they called it a Mickey Mouse tournament :lol:

star
03-06-2011, 02:56 PM
Roddick will win this epic match in 5. :)

More likely lose in 5.

Bad, bad, bad Metis. :( Jinxing Andy. :( :(

acionescu
03-06-2011, 03:03 PM
I can hear Hilde screaming :D

acionescu
03-06-2011, 03:04 PM
How many times can Rafa say unbelieveble in an interview? :lol: :o

Metis
03-06-2011, 03:04 PM
I blame Isner for all this. :(

scoobs
03-06-2011, 03:05 PM
Berdych 2 sets to 1 down vs Golubev :lol:

star
03-06-2011, 03:15 PM
I blame Isner for all this. :(

Yes. :sad:

But I forgive him because he has such long eyelashes.

How many times can Rafa say unbelieveble in an interview? :lol: :o

He is setting records all the time.

Who can stop the clay warrior? :rocker2:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 03:24 PM
Who can stop the clay warrior? :rocker2:

Who? Capdeville? :D

If only Fena could have played...:tears:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 03:35 PM
Simon 2 sets to 1 on Melzer, if he wins this match he wins the tie.

And then NYT reporter will have to write a new article :D

star
03-06-2011, 03:37 PM
Who? Capdeville? :D

If only Fena could have played...:tears:

Don't be mean. :awww:

My poor country. :hug:

Here is something pretty from Anne-Sofie Von Otter. I have that CD of her singing Costello songs. I love it. I couldn't find a youtube of my favorite ones, but I like this one very much too.

9l-G4fcoKdg

star
03-06-2011, 03:39 PM
Simon 2 sets to 1 on Melzer, if he wins this match he wins the tie.

And then NYT reporter will have to write a new article :D

I was thinking the same! :lol:

Really, I think Simon was right to tell Forget to shut up because his advice doesn't help. But, maybe he shouldn't have given the interview.

Anyway -- Vamos, Simon.

scoobs
03-06-2011, 03:41 PM
Berdych :tape: :lol:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 03:50 PM
A-Rod the Cla-God levels up against Capdeville.

Metis
03-06-2011, 03:52 PM
Ducky :dance:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 03:56 PM
GB beat Tunisia 3-1 - but it needed 8-6 in the final set in the fourth rubber to do it :lol:

Getta
03-06-2011, 03:58 PM
GB beat Tunisia 3-1

:woohoo:

Metis
03-06-2011, 04:00 PM
The win is what matters. Vamos GB :rocker2:

star
03-06-2011, 04:00 PM
:woohoo:

Imperialist :(

star
03-06-2011, 04:03 PM
Voy a breakfast. :wavey:

Metis
03-06-2011, 04:07 PM
Here is something pretty from Anne-Sofie Von Otter. I have that CD of her singing Costello songs. I love it. I couldn't find a youtube of my favorite ones, but I like this one very much too.

9l-G4fcoKdg

Beautiful song. :inlove:



Have fun star :wavey:

Corey Feldman
03-06-2011, 04:07 PM
the Brit player won 8-6 in the fifth from 2-4 down

hope the british haters allover this world choke

scoobs
03-06-2011, 04:07 PM
Voy a breakfast. :wavey:
disfrutar!

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:08 PM
GB :worship: :worship: Spartan stuff :yeah:

Metis
03-06-2011, 04:08 PM
Voy a estudiar :wavey:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:09 PM
When ARod will be retired, I'll so miss his clay matches :inlove: :awww:

Corey Feldman
03-06-2011, 04:10 PM
GB :worship: :worship: Spartan stuff :yeah:shutit, if Nadal was a Brit you'd be allover us :zzz:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Voy a estar aqui :wavey:

Metis
03-06-2011, 04:13 PM
Mikey!!!

I just saw the rep you gave me some time ago (about the deposit and the mullet) :lol:

Here's something for you:

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/1/11/4755d8d1-4e43-41ea-bc41-02eac810cbbc.gif (http://cheezburger.com/View/4347015936)

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:13 PM
shutit, if Nadal was a Brit you'd be allover us :zzz:

Indeed :D And wouldn't you like that? :inlove:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 04:14 PM
Voy a estudiar :wavey:
Voy a trabajar :wavey:

Corey Feldman
03-06-2011, 04:16 PM
Metis :hearts: i liked

so for you :kiss:

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Corey Feldman
03-06-2011, 04:23 PM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/DB0DBD616D354937B4D3E8F1CB7FDB3E.ashx?w=148&h=198

Corey Feldman
03-06-2011, 04:30 PM
http://img4.cache.netease.com/photo/0005/2011-03-05/6UD07S3U05HE0005.jpg

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:38 PM
I saw it :o :o :o

-Evita-
03-06-2011, 04:41 PM
Damn, Maria said Berankis had won the tie for Lithuania but now I read in GM that it's just 2:2 :( Not nice. Okay, I guess she didn't technically say Lit had won, she just said she needs to go and congratulate them :rolleyes: I didn't realize it was a jinx attempt :(

Corey Feldman
03-06-2011, 04:42 PM
be quiet Evita, little child, you deserve to be lied too.

-Evita-
03-06-2011, 04:46 PM
be quiet Evita, little child, you deserve to be lied too.

Mikey? :unsure: Are you being grumpy because Hilde is not here?

Betty
03-06-2011, 04:47 PM
no,he alwasy been:o

Getta
03-06-2011, 04:52 PM
DeFwKNPN1p4

me, Mikey... and Dani. :D

Getta
03-06-2011, 04:53 PM
mejor me voy a cocinar. :wavey:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:55 PM
I think Meltzer was threatened with getting no shag for a whole month after the 1st day, I cannot explain his transformation otherwise :o

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:57 PM
Who is Dani? The slipper? :D

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:57 PM
LaLo :haha: :haha:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 04:59 PM
Good for you to celebrate, Jurgen, after it was you that put Austria in deep shit :yeah:

MariaV
03-06-2011, 05:18 PM
Damn, Maria said Berankis had won the tie for Lithuania but now I read in GM that it's just 2:2 :( Not nice. Okay, I guess she didn't technically say Lit had won, she just said she needs to go and congratulate them :rolleyes: I didn't realize it was a jinx attempt :(

Hun Evita, there's no jinxing, Estonian number 2 would never win Lithuanian number 2, simple as that. :shrug:

Mikey love! :kiss:

MariaV
03-06-2011, 05:20 PM
Edit: HOLEY MOLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

We DID win!!! :unsure: :tape: :woohoo:

Honestly Evita, never ever in my life did I expect this. Põldma arrived from the States on Thursday. :o :help: I love him to bits but he is no pro player. :sad:

scoobs
03-06-2011, 05:22 PM
Hun Evita, there's no jinxing, Estonian number 2 would never win Lithuanian number 2, simple as that. :shrug:

Mikey love! :kiss:
Well the match is done, not sure on the result but when I last looked I think Estonia was 2 sets up.

MariaV
03-06-2011, 05:31 PM
Well the match is done, not sure on the result but when I last looked I think Estonia was 2 sets up.

In 4 sets, weird match must've been, 6-1 6-4 1-6 6-1 for Põldma. Põldma just played for his uni in the States before flying over. He is too small for a pro IMO, smart and as I said I love him to bits but he is no pro material. Will get a good education in the States though. He is a grandson of our greates coach ever or so, long story. ;) We have quite long traditions in tennis ya know. :o ;)

scoobs
03-06-2011, 05:38 PM
In 4 sets, weird match must've been, 6-1 6-4 1-6 6-1 for Põldma. Põldma just played for his uni in the States before flying over. He is too small for a pro IMO, smart and as I said I love him to bits but he is no pro material. Will get a good education in the States though. He is a grandson of our greates coach ever or so, long story. ;) We have quite long traditions in tennis ya know. :o ;)
Well had it been Grigelis in the final rubber I guess you probably would have lost, but as it is...

so you take on Bosnia-Herzegovina next and we take on Luxembourg. We're not in the same half so no chance of our meeting this year.

MariaV
03-06-2011, 05:42 PM
Well had it been Grigelis in the final rubber I guess you probably would have lost, but as it is...

so you take on Bosnia-Herzegovina next and we take on Luxembourg. We're not in the same half so no chance of our meeting this year.

Right, I was like soooooooooooooooo sure we'll lose, to whoever Lithuanian guy I mean... pretty shocking! :eek:
Any injury os very bad and I feel sorry for Grigelis.

Anyway, I'm happy for 'my' numpties. Some of them may be silly but they're still 'my own'. ;)

Heeeeeeeheeeeee OMG Scoobs, would you come here should GB and Estonia meet? :angel: :D :p (I KNOW I KNOW it will NEVER happen so I'm just kidding! :p)

scoobs
03-06-2011, 05:45 PM
Right, I was like soooooooooooooooo sure we'll lose, I mean... pretty shocking! :eek:
Any injury os very bad and I feel sorry for Grigelis.

Anyway, I'm happy for 'my' numpties. Some of them may be silly but they're still 'my own'. ;)

Heeeeeeeheeeeee OMG Scoobs, would you come here should GB and Estonia meet? :angel: :D :p (I KNOW I KNOW it will NEVER happen so I'm just kidding! :p)
Dunno, might be worth a giggle if it should ever come about :)

Betty
03-06-2011, 06:03 PM
i was looking the title and just noticed of it...
why Maria decided to open the vol..69:aplot:

:p

Castafiore
03-06-2011, 08:50 PM
Back from Charleroi. Had a FANTASTIC weekend. :bounce:

Got to see Rafa play obviously :inlove: :inlove:
+ I had a brief chat with Malisse who was very, very nice. :inlove: (he looks much better in real life than on tv).

I haven't read back but I happened to click on one of Andreea's posts and :ras: I wasn't wearing paint on my face, Spanish colors or Belgian colors so she can hold of on mocking me because there's no way of having seen me. :dance:

More tomorrow...

Castafiore
03-06-2011, 08:54 PM
one more thing to WG:

Feliciano Lopez is the numptie to outnumptie all other numpties but at least, he's a really sweet numptie even though he's a total and utter airhead.

wildegirl05
03-06-2011, 09:13 PM
one more thing to WG:

Feliciano Lopez is the numptie to outnumptie all other numpties but at least, he's a really sweet numptie even though he's a total and utter airhead.

this might be the most complicated complisult i have ever read. if your pics are half as artistic as that, i will be in heaven. :worship:


you did take pics, right? :armed:

acionescu
03-06-2011, 09:24 PM
we have to make picks tonight, WG :bigcry:

the truth is that it was a very nice crowd in Charleroi and all the players obliged, signing and taking pics with the fans endlessly and stuff :worship:

star
03-06-2011, 11:46 PM
Back from Charleroi. Had a FANTASTIC weekend. :bounce:

Got to see Rafa play obviously :inlove: :inlove:
+ I had a brief chat with Malisse who was very, very nice. :inlove: (he looks much better in real life than on tv).

I haven't read back but I happened to click on one of Andreea's posts and :ras: I wasn't wearing paint on my face, Spanish colors or Belgian colors so she can hold of on mocking me because there's no way of having seen me. :dance:

More tomorrow...

:inlove: :inlove: Malisse is SO nice. I mean Rafa is nice, but Malisse goes far beyond that. I liked Malisse always although I was :retard: when he got engaged to Jennifer, but then when I was able to observe how nice he is to everyone all the time, I couldn't believe it. I know he loses his temper on the court, but I'm talking about how he is off court.

:hug: :hug: Hilde. We all know you were wearing spanish colors on your face. No need to be ashamed of it. You're among friends now. :hug:

btw, I'm in the condo. The kitchen is pretty much arranged. All the things that need to be in the fridge are in there. Now for unpacking the suitcases. This place is so unhandy for putting things away in the closet. There are shelves for folded clothing but he has them stuffed full of pillows and blankets and thing. :(

Now, I''m sorting out what I forgot. Tweezers for one. :mad:

Oh well.

acionescu
03-07-2011, 07:22 AM
She doesn't truat us enough, I bet she pours it all in VB :(

MariaV
03-07-2011, 07:51 AM
*going to VB's fan experience section*
Just kidding just kidding, this is my fave section on VB (and the only one I read). Always nice to read about other people's experiences. :D
Would never have thought Malisse was nice, he's a wacko on court and kinda insulted Marat once so ....

Hello to Star too, keep us posted! :wavey:

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 08:06 AM
:inlove: :inlove: Malisse is SO nice. I mean Rafa is nice, but Malisse goes far beyond that.
Well, the enthusiasm for Rafa was crazy, beyond crazy. It was very clear that the vast majority had come for him. It was as if we were watching this DC tie in Spain, it seemed as if everybody wanted to get close, get an autograph, a picture. Everytime he was in sight, you could see lots of people flocking to him with body guards struggling to give him space and Rafa in the middle asking the bodyguards to give him more room to breathe but those guys were struggling and it wasn't just women either, it was people of every age and both genders.

The fact that he, at some point, left the locker room shirtless to go through the crowded hallways, didn't really help to calm things down either, though. :lol: (I didn't see that with my own eyes but I saw it on tv later on).

I talked to somebody who was also staying in the player's hotel and she saw Rafa coming in the hotel on Friday evening at around 9 p.m. He agreed to a picture with them on the condition they were "rapido, rapido", because he was tired and afterwards, Albert Costa said that the craziness and everybody wanting something from him all day long was getting to him. :awww:

Malisse gets his share of attention and he's very happy to oblige (he was so nice to everybody) but it's nothing compared with Nadal.

I have heard many times that Malisse is so utterly nice off court but it's another thing to experience it yourself. The fact that he was so sweet to me was one of the highlights of this weekend + as I said before, he looks so much better in real life. I'd call him good-looking after having seen him. The current picture on the ATP website is criminal


to be continued....

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 08:33 AM
Well, the enthusiasm for Rafa was crazy, beyond crazy. It was very clear that the vast majority had come for him. It was as if we were watching this DC tie in Spain, it seemed as if everybody wanted to get close, get an autograph, a picture. Everytime he was in sight, you could see lots of people flocking to him with body guards struggling to give him space and Rafa in the middle asking the bodyguards to give him more room to breathe but those guys were struggling and it wasn't just women either, it was people of every age and both genders.

:hearts: :inlove: :drool: everybody wants to marry Rafalove!!!! :bounce: :lick: :aparty:

MariaV
03-07-2011, 08:54 AM
:hearts: :inlove: :drool: everybody wants to marry Rafalove!!!! :bounce: :lick: :aparty:

I want to adopt him but don't let that get in the way of your drooling. :D :kiss: How's life? :wavey:

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 09:39 AM
Report coming up (sorry, it's a bit long :o )

Saturday, when we arrived in the Spiroudōme, much to our surprise, Rafa was practicing with Ferrer. Obviously we weren’t complaining about it. Rafa was involved in discussions with Toni and Roig about his slice (which he wasn’t happy with).

Rochus/Darcis vs Verdasco/Lopez. I heard somebody describe that match as: the Spaniards didn’t believe that they could lose it and the Belgians didn’t believe that they could win it.
This match gave me the impression that Nando and Feli actually share one brain and they just swap. When Feli was happily shanking balls, Nando was sharp and vice versa. Very odd to watch.
Darcis and Rochus were quite successful at the net and boy, can Rochus master the lobs and drop-shots. I may not like the personality of Rochus (at least, what I’ve seen of it which isn’t much) but his game is really fun to watch.

Of course, I also had fun watching Rafa being a cheerleader. This man can not sit still even if his life depended on it. You would see Ferrer, sitting calmly and quietly, watching the game, talking to the guy sitting next to him, hardly moving. In the mean time, Rafa has leaned forward, backward, turn around, check his phone, giving autographs, get up, go on picture with lots of people, go out, get in again, sit down again, lean forward, backwards,… :lol:

On Saturday evening, as I mentioned already, I got to talk to Malisse to ask him if he was going to play on Sunday. He told me that "I wouldn't count on it" :awww: and my visible disappointment made him laugh. He then told me that nothing was decided yet because they still had to hold the players meeting that evening but, he added, "don’t hold your breath". He did confirm for me that Nadal was going to play so that was good.

I think that I took a couple of months off the life of my car on the roads around Charleroi. Boy, were they in a terrible state.

Sunday, Rafa time!!!

When we came in, Rafa was practicing with Feli. :bounce:, followed by a practice session between Bemelmans (very, very good-looking in real life and he has a very cute girlfriend) and Malisse. :bounce:

Fantastic start of the afternoon.

Rochus vs Nadal: Olivier wanted his gala match against Rafa, he got it. It was very clear from the start that Rafa treated this match as practice for Indian Wells. Not that he was not trying or anything but he wasn’t going full out and wasn’t taking any risks running and moving. Again, we also got to admire the skilful game of Rochus. Even though this game was a dead rubber and so, there was no real match tension, it was a lot of fun to watch (surprise, surprise). I wasn’t expecting to be able to see Rafa in action so this was a very, very nice bonus.
So, other than wanting to gain match rhythm after a fairly long break, ahead of IW, we heard from many journalists and officials that Rafa had wanted to play on Sunday to thank the Belgian public for giving him such a warm welcome. :cool:

Rochus was very pleased to have been able to play his match. He got great compliments from Nadal in the interview and he said that Nadal was a great champion, off and on court.

Darcis vs Lopez. The brain-sharing theory gains territory: It seemed to me that Verdasco had forgotten to return The Nandeli Brain to Feli since we saw many WTF???? moments throughout the match. However, Feli was sometimes rubbing his lower back and judging from the many flawed returns, it seemed to me that Feli was just not going to take many risks in this match. The fact that Darcis was motivated as hell to win a match for Belgium and was serving well, sealed the deal.

During this match, we got to enjoy Rafa the cheerleader to the maximum. Well, not exactly because the Lopez/Darcis match was hardly riveting but he was in a very good mood so it seems so he was fun to watch. He had some great moments with Nando (at one point, they were chatting together with their arms around each other…Nando was also constantly signing stuff for people).

Nando’s coach was there as well and he had brought his little daughters (at least, I assume that they were his daughters). At one point, Rafa stood up, went to the table where the officials were sitting to get some balls (to sign them to give them to some people) and on his way back, those little girls caught his attention, so he had a chat with them, he was laughting with the youngest girl, touching her nose,… Then he stood up and went back to his chair but the little girl followed him and got on his lap. Rafa started up a lively conversation with her, trying to bite her neck laughing and generally teasing her followed by a lot of giggling and laughing by the girl with her sister standing beside Rafa to try and catch his attention. The girl almost needed to be dragged from his lap. :lol:

During the Feli match, a woman in her early 30s came sitting between me and her (what I assume to be) boyfriend. She was all flustered and red in her face when she sat down and uttered: "I was soooooo close, sooooooooooooo close but couldn't get to Nadal" after which she started to cry with a baffled boyfriend looking on.
The man tried to console her: "just about everybody wants to get near him so it was almost mission impossible anyway. At least, you saw him up close."
Woman:" "Nooooo, I wanted to get on picture with him".
Man: Why don't you go and try again?"
Woman: "I can't", she cried, "I wanted to get a picture with him and it was possible because I got sooooooooooooo close but he had to get into the dressing room. A security guy told me that he was in a hurry to catch a flight so there was no time left. I asked somebody from the staff if I could get a picture and she said that she would try but he had to hurry to the airport."

What followed was the woman rambling on about Nadal and you could see her boyfriend's eyes glazing, clearly not interested at all. After 10 minutes swooning about Rafa and trying to stop crying, the woman finally seemed to understand that it was perhaps not the best thing to swoon about one man in front of her boyfriend. :rolls: After that, she started cheering for Darcis like a maniac. Very strange woman.

Rafa mania up close is bizarre to see.

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 09:43 AM
Another proof that Nadal is nothing but a Justin Bieber of tennis... Won't do no good to the sport :tape: :o

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 09:43 AM
I have pictures but as I said before the weekend, my camera is very average and inside that hall, the camera was having trouble focusing (a problem many had in there, you need a good camera for a match indoors).

As a result, many of my pictures are too blury but I'll see if I can find a couple of decent pictures to post.

At one point, we were having a discussion in the Nando/Feli match about whether Nando was wearing any underwear at all (as you do), so I took a close-up (as close as I could get it) for further examination. I'll post it for further discussion here if the pic is any good but my opinion was that he was wearing something underneath.

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 09:44 AM
Don't be jealous, JM.

We did see a cardboard cut-out of Rogelio in the Wilson booth (I encouraged others to turn it around so that it would face the wall and yes, they listened to me :cool: )

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 09:46 AM
Don't be jealous, JM.


Jealous of what?! Really, I pity Rafa, having to handle crazy clueless fangirls day in day out must be something freackingly exhausting :shrug: :o

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Yeah, right.

As I said, there were many, many men there for Rafa as well. It was a mixtures of people. One group was a bunch of men in their 50s, coming from The Netherlands and one of them told me that they were ready to follow Rafa everywhere. :lol:

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 10:01 AM
I've seen fangirls Hilde, you won't make me believe that those old men outnumbered them, just impossible... Really poor Rafa, he doesn't deserve to have to suffer such horrible fans :sad: :o

acionescu
03-07-2011, 10:02 AM
:p :rolleyes: :bigwave: :cuckoo: :toothy: :smoke: :sobbing: :hysteric: I'm so jealous :p :rolleyes: :bigwave: :cuckoo: :toothy: :smoke: :sobbing: :hysteric:


And yes, all the above smileys are green of envy :(

acionescu
03-07-2011, 10:04 AM
And the statement that Nando and Feli would have a full brain at their disposition seems to me like utter exageration :o

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 10:16 AM
Only jealousy can make you write such ridiculous things, JM. :hug:

It's alright, Rogelia has more than his share of pedantic, horrible, condescending fans as well.

But you're not going to ruin my excellent mood. :bounce: :dance:

-Evita-
03-07-2011, 10:19 AM
Really poor Rafa, he doesn't deserve to have to suffer such horrible fans :sad: :o

You must have missed the part in Hilde's report where Rafa was so happy with the fans and the reception that he wanted to play for them on Sunday :) So don't be sad for him :hug:

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 10:19 AM
Yeah yeah Hilde, sure those teenie fangirls is what makes the sport so exciting :o tennis didn't exist before them and won't exist anymore once they get bored of the bicipidies...

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 10:22 AM
Andreea, I did try to take Ferrer pictures for you but he wasn't very visible and when I saw him, he was too far away. People who have met him said that he was very friendly and warm.

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Warning to the general public: Being a Roger Federer fan can harm your reading skills.

MariaV
03-07-2011, 10:39 AM
We did see a cardboard cut-out of Rogelio in the Wilson booth (I encouraged others to turn it around so that it would face the wall and yes, they listened to me :cool: )

:yeah: VERY well done! :yeah: :D :D :D :hatoff:

:p :rolleyes: :bigwave: :cuckoo: :toothy: :smoke: :sobbing: :hysteric: I'm so jealous :p :rolleyes: :bigwave: :cuckoo:

And yes, all the above smileys are green of envy :(

x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000

MariaV
03-07-2011, 10:49 AM
Thanks so much for the report Hilde. :hatoff: :hug: :hug:
Total and utter Rafa mania indeed. :lol: But those fans are kinda scary methinks, I wouldn't enjoy such a crowd and I always wonder how Rafa is so calm handling those huge crowds, I'd really be afraid of a stampede or smth and he really needs security guards from those hysterical people. :o
He is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO great with all the kids though, that's just amazing! :worship: :bowdown:

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 10:50 AM
So Hilde, most important question, did you get to kiss Rafalove?!?! :inlove: :bounce: :D

MariaV
03-07-2011, 10:52 AM
So Hilde, most important question, did you get to kiss Rafalove?!?! :inlove: :bounce: :D

Did you read Hilde's report? CAN you read? :scratch:
See below:

Warning to the general public: Being a Roger Federer fan can harm your reading skills.

Fedtardism has obviously robbed you of any reading comprehension. :awww: :hug: :hug: :hug:

acionescu
03-07-2011, 10:54 AM
Doesn't matter, he still has his looks :inlove: :hearts: :p

MariaV
03-07-2011, 12:13 PM
Doesn't matter, he still has his looks :inlove: :hearts: :p

You mean Feli or Rafa?
First I thought you meant JM. :o :tape: :bolt:

acionescu
03-07-2011, 12:14 PM
I did mean JM :D :p :o

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Hahaha :o :D :p

MariaV
03-07-2011, 12:48 PM
:spit: Ouch.....ooops... :o :o :bolt:

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 01:01 PM
Another thing about the numptie who outnumpties all numpties:

In the Darcis/Lopez match, Lopez shanked yet another ball after which he shouted very loudly to himself: HOMBRE!!!! (rolling his eyes, shrugging his shoulders, waving his arms)

Was quite fun to see.

MariaV
03-07-2011, 01:15 PM
Ahhhhhhhh Feli, now that's beauty! :D :p :hearts: :inlove:
He has to model after he ends his tennis career.

wildegirl05
03-07-2011, 01:18 PM
^:awww: so cute. He is quite hard on himself in doubles too, because he generally shanks more than nando on key points.

Thank you for the lovely reports hilde and especially for the tidbits on my numpties :hug:

MariaV
03-07-2011, 02:27 PM
Thorkildsen is also one of Andreea's ....chcouchous as Hilde called it? :scratch: :o
Then she has a chance now, Thorkildsen and Vukicevic broke up. ;)
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/03/06/kjendis/friidrett/andreas_thorkildsen/christina_vukicevic/15704740/

Commander Data
03-07-2011, 03:38 PM
JM getting his frustration over his shit-job out on the poor Rafagirls again?

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 03:44 PM
Shit-job that gives me in a year what you can hope to earn in your lifetime... Sucker...

star
03-07-2011, 03:45 PM
*going to VB's fan experience section*
Just kidding just kidding, this is my fave section on VB (and the only one I read). Always nice to read about other people's experiences. :D
Would never have thought Malisse was nice, he's a wacko on court and kinda insulted Marat once so ....

Hello to Star too, keep us posted! :wavey:

Oh, Malisse. So sweet and nice and human off the court.



Malisse gets his share of attention and he's very happy to oblige (he was so nice to everybody) but it's nothing compared with Nadal.

I have heard many times that Malisse is so utterly nice off court but it's another thing to experience it yourself. The fact that he was so sweet to me was one of the highlights of this weekend + as I said before, he looks so much better in real life. I'd call him good-looking after having seen him. The current picture on the ATP website is criminal


to be continued....

I think it's different in person because you can see how genuine he is. It's one thing to read about it, but in person you can see there's nothing false about his interest in others. I've not seen another pro tennis player this way. Rafa might be like that, but there is too much frenzy around him for him to show it.

Report coming up (sorry, it's a bit long :o )

Fabulous report! :worship:

Yeah, right.

As I said, there were many, many men there for Rafa as well. It was a mixtures of people. One group was a bunch of men in their 50s, coming from The Netherlands and one of them told me that they were ready to follow Rafa everywhere. :lol:

:lol: :lol:

I've seen this too. Rafter had this frenzy around him too, but most of it was women. With Rafa, it's all ages and sexes. People want to be close to him. It's that charisma thing that's so hard to define. I think Roger has as many and even more dedicated fans, but maybe his remote demeanor doesn't inspire this same frenzy. I don't know. It's hard to define and quite something to see in person.

Commander Data
03-07-2011, 04:08 PM
:hug:

star
03-07-2011, 04:19 PM
:hug:

For me? :D

A sarcastic hug? :scratch:

star
03-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Jetz muss ich weg sein.

Betty, tonight I'll post the food pics in the casa for you.

star
03-07-2011, 06:03 PM
Nobody posting?

Anyway. So many changes . BNP is pouring so much money into this tournament -- or someone is. I'll have to check out what the scoop is. Courts 7 and 8 are completely redone. And HUGE.

There is a practice schedule board. Completely new. Before there was no schedule, but that was kind of fun too.

clare2904
03-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Where are you guys putting the Armani photos? There is a new video just out and OMG!

http://confessionsofarafafan.blogspot.com/2011/03/rafael-nadal-new-armani-video.html

Commander Data
03-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Shit-job that gives me in a year what you can hope to earn in your lifetime... Sucker...

:lol:

your company steals money from the people, that is way everybody hates them, terrible buisness.....one of the worst and most disliked companies in whole of Switzerland...

Commander Data
03-07-2011, 06:08 PM
Jetz muss ich weg sein.

Betty, tonight I'll post the food pics in the casa for you

:)

not bad


Jetzt muss ich los.

or

Ich sollte schon weg sein.

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 06:31 PM
I promised pictures but again, let me warn you that the quality is low for reasons explained earlier. (and because it took so utterly long for the camera to focus, the shots are usually badly framed and such because as much as I asked them, they wouldn't sit still for me ;) )

http://i51.tinypic.com/ao01h4.jpg
Rafa practicing on Saturday

http://i56.tinypic.com/opnrtl.jpg
The Nando underwear pic, this close-up ends the debate, he was wearing underwear. The sport owes me for all that I'm prepared to do in the name of research.

http://i51.tinypic.com/212wgmv.jpg
Numpties embrace

http://i52.tinypic.com/21abfyf.jpg
Numptie 1 & 2 joining the rest of the Spanish armada after the match

http://i56.tinypic.com/103soz4.jpg
Numpties interview

http://i54.tinypic.com/25ridc2.jpg
Rafa signing autographs.
Scary yet funny looking bodyguard (bald, beard) to another bloke: "you.me.outside"

http://i56.tinypic.com/10cophx.jpg
The Spaniards cheering the numptie who outnumpties all numpties on except that they're doing anything but watching the game. If you look carefully, you can see the girl sitting on Rafa's lap there.

Betty
03-07-2011, 06:36 PM
thk Star:hug:

omg, see castina who picked an ass pic is:aplot::eek: thk u for the pics;)

:p

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 06:40 PM
I gave up trying to make a good picture during Rafa's match because I couldn't get the camera to focus and I didn't want to spend the entire match fiddling with the damn camera either instead of enjoying the match.

MariaV
03-07-2011, 06:43 PM
HILDEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :bowdown:
And yes I can see the girl on Rafiangel's lap!!! :worship: :bowdown:

MariaV
03-07-2011, 06:49 PM
Btw here the blog report that could've been written also by Hilde. :D If someone missed:
Blog - Belgians back Rafa

By Richard Fleming in Charleroi

Rafael Nadal fans come in all forms; old or young, male or female – and this weekend – Spanish or Belgian. Watching Rafa-mania is a sight to behold. The only person I have falling at my feet is a chiropodist. Rafa, meanwhile, has people falling over themselves for just the briefest of moments with their hero.

One young Belgian boy, with “Rafa’s #1 FAN” painted across his forehead, was almost bursting as he called out to his idol. Middle-aged women (one I heard had an English accent) wore their “Vamos Rafa” t-shirts with pride. Kids lurked by the team bench, pens and programmes in hand.

And there were pushy mums, cameras in hand, eager to snap Rafa with their kids, while testing the patience of security. Thankfully, Rafa is a patient man, with time for his fans, and happy to stand and smile as the flash bulbs pop and the cameras click.

He was also aware that his presence had caused quite a stir, and was humbled by it: “To all the Belgian fans, I say thank you. It’s been like playing at home and probably the best support we’ve had outside of Spain.”

Davis Cup is like no other men’s event. It thrives on nations coming together to back their boys, creating a special atmosphere. There’s been an extra special atmosphere in Charleroi, due to the Rafa factor.

Few sports men or women have quite the same effect as the world No. 1. He is a wonderful ambassador for Spain and for tennis – just ask the Charleroi crowd.


http://www.daviscup.com/en/news/articles/blog-belgians-back-rafa.aspx

acionescu
03-07-2011, 06:58 PM
Our boi :awww: :tearyeyes:

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 07:01 PM
Rafael Nadal fans come in all forms; old or young, male or female – and this weekend – Spanish or Belgian..
Thanks for proving that I wasn't making it up. :smoke:

MariaV
03-07-2011, 07:02 PM
Rafa is practically a saint, Andreea.

And what Star said, Roger certainly has no less followers but he seems kinda more distant for me personally too, that's why I've never 'warmed' to him as a person even if his game is of course sublime.

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 07:10 PM
:lol:

your company steals money from the people, that is way everybody hates them, terrible buisness.....one of the worst and most disliked companies in whole of Switzerland...

Clown. I guess that's why we have some 60%+ of the market... :o :retard:

Commander Data
03-07-2011, 07:14 PM
still everybody hates them. lack of competition is why bad companies survive.

bokehlicious
03-07-2011, 07:19 PM
Sure... You've no clue and want me to take the bait... be my guest...

Castafiore
03-07-2011, 07:19 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/wtaarl.jpg
For Star, one Malisse pic during his practice session before Rafa's match on Sunday (a very bad pic because it's from too far away):

http://i54.tinypic.com/2qibebs.jpg
See what I mean with blurry? :awww:

http://i56.tinypic.com/16h2j3p.jpg
For Andreea, a craptastic pic of Ferrer just to prove that I did try to get him on picture.
(that's from his practice session with Rafa on Saturday)


Okay, I'm done.

Commander Data
03-07-2011, 07:22 PM
Companies should not hold more then 10% of the market each to ensure healthy competition and a true free market. the fact that this shit firm holds 60+ % already shows that there is no real free market but de facto a monopolist situation. the perfect condition for bad business.

Sonja1989
03-07-2011, 07:27 PM
Castafiore thanks, great pics. :)

JolįnGagó
03-07-2011, 07:34 PM
Our Rafito is too good :hearts: :drool:

acionescu
03-07-2011, 07:43 PM
are you mocking us, JG? :(

star
03-07-2011, 07:46 PM
She-of-the-delicate-nose making her opponent wait. More than Rafaesque.

Where is Saumon? I miss her.

Thanos
03-07-2011, 07:51 PM
mention something french and she be here in a jiffy.

star
03-07-2011, 08:47 PM
mention something french and she be here in a jiffy.
I did mention the delicate nose and still she is not here.

star
03-07-2011, 08:50 PM
Hilde, thanks for the pic. :). For all of them, but thnx esp for thinking of me in posting the Malisse one.

wildegirl05
03-07-2011, 09:01 PM
hilde!! omg, you rock :inlove: thank you for the pics :hug:

cd2, this is faulty reasoning. some industries do not lend themselves to competition because of the huge infrastructure costs or other high barriers to entry. network-based industries often fall into this category and i belive jm works for one such company, no?

natural monopolies are not inherently evil but only a function of the market. plus there are forms of regulation that can be used in such cases.

l_mac
03-07-2011, 09:04 PM
Hello.

Is Evita around?

star
03-07-2011, 09:12 PM
Sometimes we think of as natural is only what we are used to. People used to talk this way of the phone company (I say "the" because There wad only one) I don't know if destroying that monopoly was good or bad, but certainly we function without it. Also, I think the regulatory system tends to be corrupt. If there is truly an organization that should have no competition, it seems to me that the gov't shoiuld run it and not a profiting company.

Thanos
03-07-2011, 09:12 PM
I did mention the delicate nose and still she is not here.

i don't even know what that means.

is it monday there yet? i've been waiting for indian wells qualifying draw and still nothing!!

oh bad news for you star. i'm sorry to break this to you.... but your favourite player nalbandian has pulled out. so perhaps, you might have to cancel your trip now.

OUT: Nalbandian and Stakhovsky

IN: Ilhan and Brown (Others above them on list have pulled out from waiting list

star
03-07-2011, 09:23 PM
i don't even know what that means.

is it monday there yet? i've been waiting for indian wells qualifying draw and still nothing!!

oh bad news for you star. i'm sorry to break this to you.... but your favourite player nalbandian has pulled out. so perhaps, you might have to cancel your trip now.

Even more bad luck that I'm at the tournament already and my condo is prepaid. :sad:

DN = Cornet.

Well I suppose I should get back to tennis now. Btw v v strong winds. Gusting up to 65 mph. That nearly as fast as the second serves I'm seeing today. :p

wildegirl05
03-07-2011, 09:24 PM
Sometimes we think of as natural is only what we are used to. People used to talk this way of the phone company (I say "the" because There wad only one) I don't know if destroying that monopoly was good or bad, but certainly we function without it. Also, I think the regulatory system tends to be corrupt. If there is truly an organization that should have no competition, it seems to me that the gov't shoiuld run it and not a profiting company.

not necessarily. the phone company may no longer be ubiquitous but cable companies still hold monopolies because the infrastructure involved in laying down cables still is a high barrier to entry. you can draw the market as small or as large as you want but certain industries will always be natural monopolies until something causes a paradigm shift that takes away the high cost of entry.

if you think the regulatory system is corrupt but feel the govt. should run it, is that not a contradiction of sorts? the govt. is often the regulatory body. or the "State" if you will.

star
03-07-2011, 10:11 PM
If you want to define natural a something that currently exists, you are right.

The only difference being that private individuals are not enriched at the public's expense. The problem with the gov't running it is finding competent people to run things, but having represented the phone company prior to the break up, I'd say they had the same problem.


But now back to Lisciki and Cristea.

Getta
03-07-2011, 10:57 PM
lucky you Hilde and star.

Getta
03-07-2011, 10:58 PM
snow hits Athens tonight.

suburban area, not far from the city centre:
_SMaOGReIqE

-Evita-
03-07-2011, 11:27 PM
Hilde, thanks for the pictures :worship: Nando's ass :hearts: :lol:

Hello.

Is Evita around?

I was just going to bed... Did you need anything?

l_mac
03-07-2011, 11:33 PM
I was just going to bed... Did you need anything?

:)

Do you still have the TT SS you made for me last time I managed IW?

And another question, when is your new sig coming?

-Evita-
03-07-2011, 11:37 PM
:)

Do you still have the TT SS you made for me last time I managed IW?

Oh, definitely somewhere on mediafire. I'll try to find the link.

And another question, when is your new sig coming?

When nobody expects it anymore :lol:

No, seriously, all my tennis pictures (and Photoshop) were on the laptop that got stolen so I don't know...

-Evita-
03-07-2011, 11:40 PM
Linda, this looks like the file: http://www.mediafire.com/?mmvynon3ia5

star
03-08-2011, 12:50 AM
snow hits Athens tonight.

suburban area, not far from the city centre:
_SMaOGReIqE

That's terrible to happen in March. :awww: brrrr. Just when Spring was around the corner.

Oh, definitely somewhere on mediafire. I'll try to find the link.



When nobody expects it anymore :lol:

No, seriously, all my tennis pictures (and Photoshop) were on the laptop that got stolen so I don't know...

Ahhh Now the motive is clear. The thief wanted all those Gulbis and Rafa pics. :drool:

Minn
03-08-2011, 03:09 AM
Well, the enthusiasm for Rafa was crazy, beyond crazy. It was very clear that the vast majority had come for him. It was as if we were watching this DC tie in Spain, it seemed as if everybody wanted to get close, get an autograph, a picture. Everytime he was in sight, you could see lots of people flocking to him with body guards struggling to give him space and Rafa in the middle asking the bodyguards to give him more room to breathe but those guys were struggling and it wasn't just women either, it was people of every age and both genders.

The fact that he, at some point, left the locker room shirtless to go through the crowded hallways, didn't really help to calm things down either, though. :lol: (I didn't see that with my own eyes but I saw it on tv later on).

I talked to somebody who was also staying in the player's hotel and she saw Rafa coming in the hotel on Friday evening at around 9 p.m. He agreed to a picture with them on the condition they were "rapido, rapido", because he was tired and afterwards, Albert Costa said that the craziness and everybody wanting something from him all day long was getting to him. :awww:

Malisse gets his share of attention and he's very happy to oblige (he was so nice to everybody) but it's nothing compared with Nadal.

I have heard many times that Malisse is so utterly nice off court but it's another thing to experience it yourself. The fact that he was so sweet to me was one of the highlights of this weekend + as I said before, he looks so much better in real life. I'd call him good-looking after having seen him. The current picture on the ATP website is criminal


to be continued....

Report coming up (sorry, it's a bit long :o )

I promised pictures but again, let me warn you that the quality is low for reasons explained earlier. (and because it took so utterly long for the camera to focus, the shots are usually badly framed and such because as much as I asked them, they wouldn't sit still for me ;) )

The Spaniards cheering the numptie who outnumpties all numpties on except that they're doing anything but watching the game. If you look carefully, you can see the girl sitting on Rafa's lap there. Great report and great pictures, Hilde. I'm glad you had a good time and that you remembered to change your camera's batteries.

Bibberz
03-08-2011, 06:53 AM
Great report, Hilde. Thanks. :D

Another proof that Nadal is nothing but a Justin Bieber of tennis... Won't do no good to the sport :tape: :o

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5796/345zx42.gif

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 08:21 AM
cd2, this is faulty reasoning. some industries do not lend themselves to competition because of the huge infrastructure costs or other high barriers to entry. network-based industries often fall into this category and i belive jm works for one such company, no?


Don't bother with the nutter, always trying to stirr shit, hoping for me to go over the top so he can get me banned :zzz: my company is doing just fine and he knows it very well...

acionescu
03-08-2011, 08:33 AM
WHAT COMPANY IS THAT, jm, IF i MAY ASK...?

EDIT: CAPS :o

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 08:34 AM
The main telecom company/provider in the country...

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 08:40 AM
Yesterday evening, I was watching the Oli vs Rafa match on my digital recorder and I wasn't planning on watching the whole match again but Christophe Rochus was commentating and much to my surprise, his tennis comment was :worship:
Who'd have thought that? I mean, you would have to suffer the odd "my brother should have played on Friday" comment but other than that: excellent.

Most tv commentators will stick with: "OMG, what a shot" or "that dropshot was phoned in" or "great backhand" but C. Rochus will actually get into the technical stuff without being boring, the strategy to use and not to use, the footwork, grip,... When he knows that a repeat is coming, he'll tell the viewer exactly what to look for.

I may think that he's often an utter plonker but I'd take him on as a tv commentator if he can keep up that level.

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On my way to the railway station on my bike, I noticed that they've put up a huge video screen near the station and this morning, they were showing movie trailers on it (I was watching the trailer for the new animated movie with Johnny Depp). Excellent way of cycling smack against a fence or worse, that.

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 08:43 AM
Here the main providers do have too much power: telephone & internet companies, electricity companies,...

Their profit margins are huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge and the prices go up far too high compared with our neighboring countries just because they can.
So, in the same month, you'll be reading about the sickening profit they made in the previous year, followed by an article why the prices of gas, electricity, internet,...will have to go up to survive. :rolleyes:

Whenever the government tries to limit their power, their reaction is pretty much: tough shit. We dictate the prices, deal with it.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 08:48 AM
I gather C. Rochus was praising Rafito while commentating :awww: see Hilde, everybody loves Rafa!! :hearts: :inlove: :D

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 08:52 AM
Your reading skills are really poor, JM.

acionescu
03-08-2011, 08:59 AM
He compensates with his singing :hug:

MariaV
03-08-2011, 09:01 AM
He doesn't need reading skills, he is filthy rich and even his sh!t smells like flowers. :shrug: :D

acionescu
03-08-2011, 09:05 AM
that's from being a Fedtard, don't mix things up ...:(

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 09:07 AM
Your reading skills are really poor, JM.

And what "technical stuff" and "strategy" is there to commentate when it comes to Rafito? :scratch: we all know his only strategy has always been "try to give my best, no?" :shrug: :o :D

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 09:13 AM
I don't expect you to understand it, JM.

Go back to resting far up Rogelia's arse. It's obviously cosy up there for you.

Anyway...trying to move on...
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You just have to read that letter Evita posted in the Charlie Sheen thread in non-tennis. It's full of gems.
Example:
Moreover, Mr. Sheen recently declared he had self-healed his
addictions by saying that he "blinked and cured [his] brain." Accordingly, it is not surprising that no professional apparently was willing to attest that Mr. Sheen had self-treated, self-healed and self-cured his brain of his addiction problems.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 09:16 AM
IGo back to resting far up Rogelia's arse. It's obviously cosy up there for you.


Be careful, I've been banned for saying the exact same to SdG (with Nadal instead of Fed obv.)... :o

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 09:17 AM
Be careful, I've been banned for saying the exact same to SdG (with Nadal instead of Fed obv.)... :o
I'll take my chances.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 09:19 AM
I'll take my chances.

You're a rafatard, I doubt you're risking much here :hug: the day this site is not ruled by vb.com crew anymore then you might start to worry... :o

acionescu
03-08-2011, 09:19 AM
Vamos Hilde :rocker2:

-Evita-
03-08-2011, 09:31 AM
You just have to read that letter Evita posted in the Charlie Sheen thread in non-tennis. It's full of gems.
Example:

It is indeed :lol: :o

I have to confess this is the first time I have ever heard the word "turpitude". It sounds so awesomely mean, I wonder why it isn't used more often :scratch:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 09:39 AM
It's weird to see stars like Charlie Sheen and George Michael going into self-destruct mode for everybody to see.

George Michael is not as far down the :cuckoo: path but he's currently also in a "WTF, get a grip" mode.

MariaV
03-08-2011, 09:46 AM
And to think that I used to like George Michael's music, actually still do. :o Oh those were the days. :awww: :lol:

MariaV
03-08-2011, 09:51 AM
that's from being a Fedtard, don't mix things up ...:(

You think that's another reason why he doesn't need reading skills - being a Fedtard? But some Fedtards can read! :eek: :awww:

acionescu
03-08-2011, 09:56 AM
I still adore George Michael, no matter what is he doing :inlove: :smooch:

acionescu
03-08-2011, 09:56 AM
You think that's another reason why he doesn't need reading skills - being a Fedtard? But some Fedtards can read! :eek: :awww:

I was talking about his shit smelling like flowers...:shrug: :o

MariaV
03-08-2011, 10:03 AM
I was talking about his shit smelling like flowers...:shrug: :o

Aaaaaaaah right. How could I mess that up.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 10:03 AM
I had my first kiss on Careless Whisper :awww: it sucks to get old :sad: :o :p

acionescu
03-08-2011, 10:11 AM
And my first really passionate one was on "One more try" :awww: :bigcry:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 10:13 AM
Mandy, Barry Manilow :o :o :o

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 10:13 AM
And my first really passionate one was on "One more try" :awww: :bigcry:

You had your first passion after 1988?! :speakles: :p

acionescu
03-08-2011, 10:15 AM
yeah :shrug:

I have had bfs before but this was in another league :awww:

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Oh, you're not that old then... :eek: :o :angel: :p

Action Jackson
03-08-2011, 10:36 AM
I had my first kiss on Careless Whisper :awww: it sucks to get old :sad: :o :p

Guilty feet have got no rhythm.

Ilovetheblues_86
03-08-2011, 10:40 AM
Andreea, Kravchuk-Beck 6-6

MariaV
03-08-2011, 10:41 AM
I still adore George Michael, no matter what is he doing :inlove: :smooch:

Me too actually, I don't think he's the greatest singer ever or anything but I still like his music a lot. :D

Ilovetheblues_86
03-08-2011, 10:42 AM
Beck won the tb :awww:

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 10:44 AM
Guilty feet have got no rhythm.

Haha great line :o :D

Me too actually, I don't think he's the greatest singer ever or anything but I still like his music a lot. :D

He's got a great voice actually...

acionescu
03-08-2011, 10:49 AM
Beck won the tb :awww:

As long as he loses the next set I'm happy :unsure: :o

acionescu
03-08-2011, 10:49 AM
I think he IS the greatest singer ever :shrug: :o

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 10:52 AM
Well, you also think Rafalove IS the best tennis player ever :awww: :hug:

Action Jackson
03-08-2011, 10:52 AM
He wasn't even the best singer in Wham.

acionescu
03-08-2011, 11:13 AM
:zzz:

Even I sing better than Ridgeley :shrug:

acionescu
03-08-2011, 11:14 AM
Well, you also think Rafalove IS the best tennis player ever :awww: :hug:

When did I say that? :scratch:

I think Rogiesmug is the best tennis player ever, sadly :shrug:

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 11:17 AM
Shirlie Holliman-Kemp and Pepsi Demacque-Crockett were the best singers in Wham... :o

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 11:20 AM
When Wham! got big, I remember being really outnumbered when I said that if I had to pick between the two guys, I would go for Ridgeley. I thought that GM looked a bit too much like a prancing poodle back then. :o

When he started keeping his hair short, it was a vast improvement but what I didn't like about that look is that the hair style (incl. the beard) appears to be a milimeter per milimeter job where every single detail of his face was studied, pampered, modelled,...
I prefer a slightly more careless look in men (emphasis on "slightly")

I do like GM's voice a lot, though. For some reason, the CD "Old" is my favorite because his voice sounds jazzy and very silky on that one.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 11:31 AM
GM's show on the live tribute to Freddie Mercury was a masterclass performance, that duet with Liza :hearts: :worship:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 11:32 AM
Oh yes, indeed: I have that on CD as well because it's so bloody awesome.

I do hope that he gets his act together.

MariaV
03-08-2011, 11:43 AM
GM's show on the live tribute to Freddie Mercury was a masterclass performance, that duet with Liza :hearts: :worship:

Oh dear, yeah....... :awww:
LMFAO oldies memories' day or smth here? :o :tape:

And Freddie Mercury, now that was a voice. :awww:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 11:48 AM
^ We can always go back to your favorite topic: comparing zimmer frames.

:shrug:

MariaV
03-08-2011, 11:55 AM
^ We can always go back to your favorite topic: comparing zimmer frames.

:shrug:

:spit: :haha: :haha: A good one! :yeah: :D

acionescu
03-08-2011, 12:03 PM
Older is my favorite album ever, I know all the songs by heart with lyrics :o And i'm really not the type to do that.
And i have all GM's albums, another very, very unusual fact :o

He has an awsome voice, the kind of Freddie's and that duet with Lisa just proved it

And i heard a lot of morons that thought he just tried to imitate Freddie :retard:

Yeah, right, and i try to imitate Maria callas, see if I get it as right :rolleyes: x 100000000

Action Jackson
03-08-2011, 12:41 PM
Freddie what a performer, owned the stage.

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Did you see this one?

James Bond in a dress (it's International Women's Day today)
gkp4t5NYzVM

<Eve>
03-08-2011, 12:59 PM
Hilde.

I didnt read here properly for some days. Did i miss my LaLo pics?! :awww:

acionescu
03-08-2011, 01:05 PM
yes, it is, party in 1/2 hour :bounce:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 01:06 PM
I didnt read here properly for some days. Did i miss my LaLo pics?! :awww:
you did but if you read back a bit in this thread, you can still see them.

<Eve>
03-08-2011, 01:19 PM
you did but if you read back a bit in this thread, you can still see them.

:D still as hot as always :hearts: grazias for posting :yeah:

star
03-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Great report, Hilde. Thanks. :D



http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5796/345zx42.gif

:haha: :haha:

:worship: :worship:

:hug: You post so seldom now, Bibbz, but when you do, it's still gold.

It is indeed :lol: :o

I have to confess this is the first time I have ever heard the word "turpitude". It sounds so awesomely mean, I wonder why it isn't used more often :scratch:

Great word, right? :D

I still adore George Michael, no matter what is he doing :inlove: :smooch:

Well, I'm not so crazy about what he does in public bathrooms. :(


I do like GM's voice a lot, though. For some reason, the CD "Old" is my favorite because his voice sounds jazzy and very silky on that one.

I like his voice too. Very nice. Music before techno and rap; it was good.


Are you all interested in my pics from IW? They are just pics of the site and not pics of players. I didn't see any men on the practice courts yesterday.

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Are you all interested in my pics from IW?
Sure.

Are you staying there throughout the entire tournament or only a couple of days?

star
03-08-2011, 01:52 PM
Sure.

Are you staying there throughout the entire tournament or only a couple of days?

I'm staying from start to finish. I'll be a dead person by the time it's over. The elements are difficult over a two week period. The wind kind of did me in yesterday, and normally I like wind. At one point the flags that ring the stadium were snapping so loudly it was impossible to hear or think.

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 02:08 PM
cd2, this is faulty reasoning. some industries do not lend themselves to competition because of the huge infrastructure costs or other high barriers to entry. network-based industries often fall into this category and i belive jm works for one such company, no?



That is not refuting what I said. I don't claim that there is no good explanation for the situation being, I just say it is not good for the customer because it allows bad companies to survive. What is a bad company? A company that takes much more money then they actually should, a company that sells poor products, that treats customers bad, fill in what you like etc.

In general, companies are egoistic and try to maximize profit. Profit is high if you sell something for much more then it is worth. so for example if you cut costs in customer service while keeping the prices -> more profit. It seems natural that any company tries to get as much money as possible with as little value sold as possible. (JM said he earns more in a year then I do in a life-time, I earn twice as much as a normal worker. ergo JM earns about 70 times more then a normal worker (unless he talked BS out of his arse (likely option I must admit), you think that is a fair pay? you think what he does it 70-times more valuable to society and the people? You think if there is free choice, society would not find somebody being able to do JM's work just as good are better with a lower pay?)

It seems pretty straight forward that a monopoly is not in the interest of the customer.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 02:12 PM
What monopoly clown?!? This is a free market and everyone is free not to be a customer :confused: if most of them stay with us I guess they have their reasons :retard:

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 02:13 PM
Here the main providers do have too much power: telephone & internet companies, electricity companies,...

Their profit margins are huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge and the prices go up far too high compared with our neighboring countries just because they can.
So, in the same month, you'll be reading about the sickening profit they made in the previous year, followed by an article why the prices of gas, electricity, internet,...will have to go up to survive. :rolleyes:

Whenever the government tries to limit their power, their reaction is pretty much: tough shit. We dictate the prices, deal with it.

Ohh, that is not just "here" it is also "here" it is everywhere.

If JM is boasting with how much money he gets in that job, I'm not gonna applaud. Of course it is not JM's fault, everybody like money, but that does not make it right and moral.

wildegirl05
03-08-2011, 02:19 PM
:haha: :haha:

:worship: :worship:

:hug: You post so seldom now, Bibbz, but when you do, it's still gold.



talk about ott fangirling :lol: star, you would've given some of us a good run for our money in your fangirling days.

i haven't received anything, btw. don't know if you tried to send or not.

That is not refuting what I said. I don't claim that there is no good explanation for the situation being, I just say it is not good for the customer because it allows bad companies to survive. What is a bad company? A company that takes much more money then they actually should, a company that sells poor products, that treats customers bad, fill in what you like etc.


companies are created with the goal to maximize profit for their owners/shareholders. living under the profit motive does not make them "bad", unless you agree to live completely outside a capitalistic world. i think they're bad when they refuse to also pay equal emphasis on other corporate roles but this is something on every member of society to insist and exercise their rights as customers.


In general, companies are egoistic and try to maximize profit. Profit is high if you sell something for much more then it is worth. so for example if you cut costs in customer service while keeping the prices -> more profit. It seems natural that any company tries to get as much money as possible with as little value sold as possible. (JM said he earns more in a year then I do in a life-time, I earn twice as much as a normal worker. ergo JM earns about 70 times more then a normal worker (unless he talked BS out of his arse (likely option I must admit), you think that is a fair pay? you think what he does it 70-times more valuable to society and the people? You think if there is free choice, society would not find somebody being able to do JM's work just as good are better with a lower pay?)

ok, there is an extremely good chance that there is someone in some developing country who could do what you do, probably much better than the way you do it, who is earning less than 1/70th of what you make. do you think your wages are fair play? if you widen the context enough, you're just as much benefiting from these "bad companies" (who contribute to setting the wage standard for those outside of the corporate world, whether you like to admit it or not), so i think your moral high horse is going nowhere fast.


It seems pretty straight forward that a monopoly is not in the interest of the customer.

i disagree. there are some cases where a monopoly to me is preferable to the State taking over the function (monopolies will succumb to competition eventually, the State is unlikely to do so). and i say that as a quite left-leaning person.

star
03-08-2011, 02:23 PM
Don't argue with WG. She's a stubborn girl and smart too. She can come up with dozens of reasons to justify herself. :lol:

And to defend JM too. :inlove: :lol:

And again, I'm reminded of Cripple Creek.

A drunkard's dream.

star
03-08-2011, 02:27 PM
Ohh, that is not just "here" it is also "here" it is everywhere.

If JM is boasting with how much money he gets in that job, I'm not gonna applaud. Of course it is not JM's fault, everybody like money, but that does not make it right and moral.

Well, right and moral is a really hard thing when it comes to being paid for work. If one went just on what society needs most wouldn't sanitation workers of all sorts be paid most? And I suppose we could work up from there. It's always seemed to me that the most necessary people get paid the least -- except doctors and nurses. At least this is true in the U.S. Teachers, janitors, garbagemen, etc. All get paid crap. Also day care workers.

Lawyers -- really can't justify our wages.

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 02:39 PM
[QUOTE]companies are created with the goal to maximize profit for their owners/shareholders.

I know, that is what I said.

living under the profit motive does not make them "bad",
I have not said such a thing. I said a company that holds the monopoly is highly likely to become bad (because its goal is profit)

unless you agree to live completely outside a capitalistic world.

I have not said that.

i think they're bad when they refuse to also pay equal emphasis on other corporate roles but this is something on every member of society to insist and exercise their rights as customers.

how can the society members insist on that?! They cannot.... society is controlled by money and market forces. In a monopoly this mechanism fail.


ok, there is an extremely good chance that there is someone in some developing country who could do what you do, probably much better than the way you do it, who is earning less than 1/70th of what you make. do you think your wages are fair play?

Not likely, but possible, he would need extremely good education, which is probably not available there.

if you widen the context enough, you're just as much benefiting from these "bad companies" (who contribute to setting the wage standard for those outside of the corporate world, whether you like to admit it or not), so i think your moral high horse is going nowhere fast.

Is is not black or white. it is not either moral are unjust, there is a fluent transition. some things are less moral then others. my pay is not really just compared to poor people, but somebody earning even way more is even more unjust like the rich telecommunication companies with a monopoly. plus I'am not walking around saying how cool I am that I earn more then a worker in a poor country (because I don't really find it cool).


i disagree. there are some cases where a monopoly to me is preferable to the State taking over the function (monopolies will succumb to competition eventually, the State is unlikely to do so). and i say that as a quite left-leaning person.


Like what? health care? :ignore:

you know, yes the State also fails in many ways and may be a bad solution as well, does not make the other bad solution (monopoly) more right. One bad does not justify the other.

I repeat my claim: a monopoly is bad for the customer. it allows bad companies to survive much longer then they would in a competitive situation.

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 02:40 PM
WG would be one of those people willling and able to defend that the earth is flat even if NASA would take her to the moon to admire the planet Earth as a globe just because she can. She's stubborn that way. :inlove:

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Monopoly isn't a great option either but it beats a situation where 1 or 2 companies dominate the market and a couple of dwarf companies on the side, giving the impression of a competitive market when in fact, the main players can pretty much do what they want in an oligopoly market.

Maximizing profit while you're taking advantage of your powerful position by hiking up your prices as high as you can just to squeeze out your customers more and more because those costumers don't have much of a choice is not a foreign notion in capitalism obviously but that doesn't make it fair either.

The arrogance of the energy companies for example is unbelievable.

A number of years ago, the government was the one deciding on the bread price here (because it was considered to be an essential product) but now, the bakers can decide on their prices. The thinking was that competion will keep the bread price low.
That's the theory.
In reality, the prices have sky-rocketed. The bakers keep on increasing their prices to ridiculous levels, inventing one stupid reason after the other to explain their need to keep on increasing the price. They will increase the price when the oil price has gone up but they won't decrease it when the oil price goes down.

I remember having an argument with a bakery because they'd put up an explanation about the situation on the oil market which I knew was rubbish since I'd just read up on the actual situation at work.
I told them that for me, they have two choices:
Either, they put up a note explaining that their prices have gone up because they have their eyes set on a brand new Mercedes.
Or, they don't put up anything and just shove the prices down our throats without explaining anything.
The problem is that bakers agree with each other on prices even though it's forbidden to make price deals. Who is going to check if one baker phones the other bakers in the city to propose to increase the price?

They stopped putting up signs.

In other words, for the essential goods and services people need to live a normal life, I do believe in a government having the power to limit the power of the giant companies.

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 02:41 PM
Don't argue with WG. She's a stubborn girl and smart too. She can come up with dozen's of reasons to justify herself. :lol:

And to defend JM too. :inlove: :lol:

I feel for her.

And again, I'm reminded of Cripple Creek.

A drunkard's dream.

Please enlight me on that cripple creek song.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 02:45 PM
Data, you're aware "Telecom PTT" doesn't exist anymore and you're free to choose whatever provider you wish :confused: you make it sound as if we "forced" people to be customers...... :retard:

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 02:46 PM
Well, right and moral is a really hard thing when it comes to being paid for work. If one went just on what society needs most wouldn't sanitation workers of all sorts be paid most? And I suppose we could work up from there. It's always seemed to me that the most necessary people get paid the least -- except doctors and nurses. At least this is true in the U.S. Teachers, janitors, garbagemen, etc. All get paid crap. Also day care workers.

Lawyers -- really can't justify our wages.

Capitalism can justify their wages to some degree (not that I agree with them), but even the Capitalists fail to justify extreme high wages in a monopoly.

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 02:50 PM
WG would be one of those people willling and able to defend that the earth is flat even if NASA would take her to the moon to admire the planet Earth as a globe just because she can. She's stubborn that way. :inlove:

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Monopoly isn't a great option either but it beats a situation where 1 or 2 companies dominate the market and a couple of dwarf companies on the side, giving the impression of a competitive market when in fact, the main players can pretty much do what they want in an oligopoly market.

Maximizing profit while you're taking advantage of your powerful position by hiking up your prices as high as you can just to squeeze out your customers more and more because those costumers don't have much of a choice is not a foreign notion in capitalism obviously but that doesn't make it fair either.

The arrogance of the energy companies for example is unbelievable.

A number of years ago, the government was the one deciding on the bread price here (because it was considered to be an essential product) but now, the bakers can decide on their prices. The thinking was that competion will keep the bread price low.
That's the theory.
In reality, the prices have sky-rocketed. The bakers keep on increasing their prices to ridiculous levels, inventing one stupid reason after the other to explain their need to keep on increasing the price. They will increase the price when the oil price has gone up but they won't decrease it when the oil price goes down.

I remember having an argument with a bakery because they'd put up an explanation about the situation on the oil market which I knew was rubbish since I'd just read up on the actual situation at work.
I told them that for me, they have two choices:
Either, they put up a note explaining that their prices have gone up because they have their eyes set on a brand new Mercedes.
Or, they don't put up anything and just shove the prices down our throats without explaining anything.
The problem is that bakers agree with each other on prices even though it's forbidden to make price deals. Who is going to check if one baker phones the other bakers in the city to propose to increase the price?

They stopped putting up signs.

In other words, for the essential goods and services people need to live a normal life, I do believe in a government having the power to limit the power of the giant companies.

I think it needs a balance between control and free market.

Most theories fail in reality. I think that is not per se the problem, but admitting it and make the good corrections is. People like to cling to a paradigm. Free market is the best solution everything will sort itself out or the like. not gonna work. in essence everybody (except maybe some monks or so) is also a egoist and needs some degree of control.

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't believe that you can use "capitalism" as a justification in all cases either.

Not for essential goods and services.

The fact that teachers, nurses are underpaid while football stars are overpaid is not fair but it is the reality in capitalism. That's a reality you're going to have to accept.
However, everybody should be able to afford the minimum they need to eat, live and take care of their health IMO. The fact that energy prices are going up so high that more and more people are getting in financial debt just to have a bit of warmth in their home at winter while that same energy company is raking in the cash and making huge profits isn't fair and it is not something we should accept IMO.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 02:53 PM
What a crappy debate again :rolleyes: communists need to get out of here :unsure: :scared: :zzz:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 02:57 PM
The debate is crap because not everybody is applauding your stance on it, I take it.

I don't believe in communism either (that should be obvious) but the "let the free market rule" extreme is nonsense too.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:00 PM
The debate is crap because not everybody is applauding your stance on it, I take it.

When exactly did I state my views on the matter? :confused: :o

Data, in another attempt to stir shit, implied that my company made huge profits because we were under a monopoly, which is just plain bollocks... Of course you guys had to jump on whether communism is better than capitalism... :zzz:

Castafiore
03-08-2011, 03:03 PM
Where did anybody write that communism is better than capitalism? Most economies are not that black and white.

Even so: that would be going from one extreme to the other and I think that both extremes are flawed & up for debate in any society.

I don't know enough about the situation in Switzerland to have an opinion on what your company does, JM.

star
03-08-2011, 03:05 PM
Capitalism can justify their wages to some degree (not that I agree with them), but even the Capitalists fail to justify extreme high wages in a monopoly.

Of course.

However, that is not to say it is "right" or "moral."

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:06 PM
I wish star and data had their own thread......... :zzz: :o

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:10 PM
I don't believe that you can use "capitalism" as a justification in all cases either.

Oh I agree. Text book capitalism would probably not allow many problems that exist. in many real situation it is exactly the problem that there is no real capitalism I think.

Not for essential goods and services.

I think so too, some "businesses" should not be ruled by profit maximation eg. health care.

The fact that teachers, nurses are underpaid while football stars are overpaid is not fair but it is the reality in capitalism. That's a reality you're going to have to accept.
However, everybody should be able to afford the minimum they need to eat, live and take care of their health IMO. The fact that energy prices are going up so high that more and more people are getting in financial debt just to have a bit of warmth in their home at winter while that same energy company is raking in the cash and making huge profits isn't fair and it is not something we should accept IMO.

I don't really disagree here either.

-Evita-
03-08-2011, 03:12 PM
I wish star and data had their own thread......... :zzz: :o

Why? Because you don't like them? :lol: :o Life's so hard for you :awww:

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:13 PM
Why? Because you don't like them? :lol: :o Life's so hard for you :awww:

Because they are useless smart ass wannabes :shrug:

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:19 PM
Of course.

However, that is not to say it is "right" or "moral."

depends on your values. An extreme capitalist would probably find even extreme high wages just and right (because he thinks that the person "deserves" it, as the free market gives the right wages by default), while a communist might find every uneveness unjust. I find both extremes BS.
Some works needs a bit a better reward because otherwise nobody will do it right. but not too much more.

here in Switzerland there is a initiative called 1:10 which demands that the highest wage on a company should only be ten times the lowest pay.

I find that an interesting idea.

Interestingly, exactly me alleged "friends" the SVP is strongly against this idea. I'm sure JM is also against it. see JM: Blocher is your friend after all.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:21 PM
I am not against it, I don't share anything with your nazi party... :o

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:25 PM
When exactly did I state my views on the matter? :confused: :o

Data, in another attempt to stir shit, implied that my company made huge profits because we were under a monopoly, which is just plain bollocks... Of course you guys had to jump on whether communism is better than capitalism... :zzz:

you said yourself that your company hold over 60% of the market (not me). there are basically two providers one can choose, that is no free market.

Nobody talked about communism, that is the usually trick if the rich capitalists. as soon as somebody criticizes something, they go, you are a communist! (Burn the guy!!!) communism was way worse!! see russia!! we have have the best there is, everything is fine, shut up!! (funny, that is exactly the argument of the SVP, well done JM :yeah:)

like a said, black/white thinking..

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:27 PM
Because they are useless smart ass wannabes :shrug:

how painful to hear this!! :sad:

I think that might actually convince me to stop posting here :D

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:28 PM
you said yourself that your company hold over 60% of the market (not me). there are basically two providers one can choose, that is no free market.

We have over 60% of the market because people must think we're not that bad since they could change provider any day :o

Two providers?? :spit: you have really no clue whatsoever, there are dozens of them on the market, next time you try to "own" me try at least to pick something you have a clue about... :rolleyes:

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:28 PM
I am not against it, I don't share anything with your nazi party... :o

you share more then you realize. More then me... :lol:

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:31 PM
Two providers?? :spit:

keyword: basically.

okay, who are your fierce competitors?

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:32 PM
keyword: basically.

okay, who are your fierce competitors?

You might want to google "network providers/ IT solutions switzerland".......................................

Commander Data
03-08-2011, 03:37 PM
Any market where a company holds the majority is not a free market whether you like it or not.

bokehlicious
03-08-2011, 03:40 PM
Any market where a company holds the majority is not a free market whether you like it or not.

:rolleyes: it is a free market, nobody is forced to be our customers :shrug: if you want to rant about monopolies then rant about the electricity market, the kwph is way overprized and in most areas you have no choice...