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Mugrin "6-7" Cilic bt. Bohli 6-7 6-3 6-2

RIboy
02-15-2011, 05:36 PM
amazing win for Cilic, too good :yeah:

another step to finish this season in TOP 50 :cool:

philosophicalarf
02-15-2011, 05:43 PM
Cilic has to preserve his energies for the ladddddies.

GlennMirnyi
02-15-2011, 05:46 PM
Cilic has to preserve his energies for the ladddddies.

If that was his intent, he failed miserably. ;)

Blackbriar
02-15-2011, 05:50 PM
lol he is doing great this year, i think he could definitely reach a 3rd round at Wimbledon.

Henry Chinaski
02-15-2011, 05:51 PM
love the new nickname

finishingmove
02-15-2011, 05:56 PM
this just means that, once he starts dominating, he won't let his opponents win more than 4 (5) games per set...

Apemant
02-15-2011, 06:08 PM
Voo, who has the worst tiebreak record of all active players? If they played at least, say, 20 tiebreaks?

:devil:

Mungo
02-15-2011, 06:10 PM
Pathetic from Cilic. He was lucky Bastl wasn't on the other side of the net :o

Sonja1989
02-15-2011, 06:17 PM
This match didn't helped with Cilic's tie-break statistics.

daddy
02-15-2011, 06:26 PM
amazing win for Cilic, too good :yeah:

another step to finish this season in TOP 50 :cool:


This win won him € 5,310, which is probably more than what you make in a year.:wavey:

Voo de Mar
02-15-2011, 06:36 PM
Voo, who has the worst tiebreak record of all active players? If they played at least, say, 20 tiebreaks?

:devil:

Among these players who've played at least 100 tie-breaks the weakest are:


Ben.Becker 41-59 (.410)
Seppi 56-80 (.411)
Cilic 46-63 (.422)
Wawrinka 64-84 (.432)
Almagro 74-95 (.438)

RIboy
02-15-2011, 06:38 PM
This win won him € 5,310, which is probably more than what you make in a year.:wavey:

chill out, take some tranquilizer and everything will be fine :wavey:

Sonja1989
02-15-2011, 06:40 PM
Among these players who've played more than 100 tie-breaks the weakest are:


Ben.Becker 41-59 (.410)
Seppi 56-80 (.411)
Cilic 46-63 (.422)
Wawrinka 64-84 (.432)
Almagro 74-95 (.438)

Voo de Mar, :worship: You are the king of statistic.

Ouch. I see Almagro bad in tie-break too! :o

Sapeod
02-15-2011, 06:43 PM
Bohli almost beat Cilic???? :spit:

How bad is Cilic? :lol:

RIboy
02-15-2011, 06:46 PM
Bohli almost beat Cilic???? :spit:

How bad is Cilic? :lol:

and still has same number of slams as Murray, funny no? :lol:

Voo de Mar
02-15-2011, 06:52 PM
Ouch. I see Almagro bad in tie-break too! :o

He improved mentality in the last 18 months (before that he had been a choker No. 1 in the tennis elite). In the previous season he had finally a positive TB record: 21-15.

Sonja1989
02-15-2011, 06:55 PM
He improved mentality in the last 18 months (before that he had been a choker No. 1 in the tennis elite). In the previous season he had finally a positive TB record: 21-15.

Thanks! :) That is good news! :)

Mr. Oracle
02-15-2011, 07:11 PM
Peaking just in time for Roland Garros.

Sapeod
02-15-2011, 07:14 PM
and still has same number of slams as Murray, funny no? :lol:
Not really....

Murray has 3 slam finals and 6 masters titles, Cilic has none.....

samanosuke
02-15-2011, 07:17 PM
Fuck you Marin . The thread was prepared and you screwed everything . This defeat would be something big even for your standards

networthy
02-15-2011, 07:36 PM
After his sophmore slump, Marin is confidently back on his way into the top ten :cool: :drive:

Li Ching Yuen
02-15-2011, 07:53 PM
You fools, Marin is in a slump just for the fun of it.

Blackbriar
02-15-2011, 08:01 PM
Cilic is improving, he just need more times.
:rolleyes:

Li Ching Yuen
02-15-2011, 08:03 PM
I think the ladies have caught up as to why Marin arches his back so much when he serves...

Apemant
02-15-2011, 10:34 PM
Among these players who've played at least 100 tie-breaks the weakest are:


Ben.Becker 41-59 (.410)
Seppi 56-80 (.411)
Cilic 46-63 (.422)
Wawrinka 64-84 (.432)
Almagro 74-95 (.438)

Thanks, I knew I could count on you. :worship:

philosophicalarf
02-15-2011, 10:53 PM
I think the ladies have caught up as to why Marin arches his back so much when he serves...

Marin already has tonight's diary lined up:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qg6J04XZhR4/SPTL3-CS9zI/AAAAAAAADGE/6gjb8iuVP-o/s400/image_988.jpg

tealeaves
02-15-2011, 11:25 PM
Among these players who've played at least 100 tie-breaks the weakest are:


Ben.Becker 41-59 (.410)
Seppi 56-80 (.411)
Cilic 46-63 (.422)
Wawrinka 64-84 (.432)
Almagro 74-95 (.438)

who's the best 5?

Topspindoctor
02-15-2011, 11:40 PM
Real tie break king, this Mugin

Voo de Mar
02-15-2011, 11:42 PM
who's the best 5?

Federer 289-149 (.660)
Djokovic 113-59 (.657)
Isner 89-51 (.636)
Nadal 121-76 (.614)
Tsonga 74-47 (.612)

GlennMirnyi
02-16-2011, 12:21 AM
Not really....

Murray has 3 slam finals and 6 masters titles, Cilic has none.....

Final, semi-final, quarter-final, 4th round, 3rd round, 2nd round, 1st round. They mean nothing. What matters is titles.

Mugray has ZERO majors.

ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. ZERO.

RIboy
02-16-2011, 12:24 AM
Final, semi-final, quarter-final, 4th round, 3rd round, 2nd round, 1st round. They mean nothing. What matters is titles.

Mugray has ZERO majors.

ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. ZERO.

+1

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puppy555
02-16-2011, 01:03 AM
Federer 289-149 (.660)
Djokovic 113-59 (.657)
Isner 89-51 (.636)
Nadal 121-76 (.614)
Tsonga 74-47 (.612)

Woah Djoker :eek: and this without a good serve for much of his career, amazing!

Mungo
02-16-2011, 01:53 AM
Woah Djoker :eek: and this without a good serve for much of his career, amazing!

Also because he often snoozes on the court against lesser opponents only to beat them in tie-breaks, same as Tsonga.
There are many factors about these TB player stats: how many of them were played in their primes, on which surfaces, against which kind of opponents, the tournament status...
In tie-breaks of majors I would always pick any of the top 5 over the rest

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 02:02 AM
Also because he often snoozes on the court against lesser opponents only to beat them in tie-breaks, same as Tsonga.

D'Joke had better percentage in the first years of his career when he was bouncing more. He doesn't get too many points after the serve but thanks to additional concentration in the tie-break on serve, he often takes an initiative with his ground-strokes directly after the serve, often after the 2nd serve too.

Players are different, IMO Tsonga and Federer win vast majority of their tie-breaks thanks to mixing things up - ace, volley, baseline winner, occasionally dropshot - you never know whet they want to play; Djokovic and Nadal are extremely concentrated from the very first point of the tie-break so they don't deliver cheap points to opponents, they never think I guess "ok, I'm 0:2 down, no problem, he must win 5 points more"; Isner wins plenty of tie-breaks due to his big serve, usually he serves better in the tie-break than in his service games, moreover he's got much more better 2nd serve than Karlovic so often wins points with a 2nd serve-forehand winner combination, when Karlovic serves the 2nd ball in the tie-break usually it's a 50/50 situation.

Mungo
02-16-2011, 02:16 AM
D'Joke had better percentage in the first years of his career when he was bouncing more. He doesn't get too many points after the serve but thanks to additional concentration in the tie-break on serve, he often takes an initiative with his ground-strokes directly after the serve, often after the 2nd serve too.

Players are different, IMO Tsonga and Federer win vast majority of their tie-breaks thanks to mixing things up - ace, volley, baseline winner, occasionally dropshot - you never know whet they want to play; Djokovic and Nadal are extremely concentrated from the very first point of the tie-break so they don't deliver cheap points to opponents, they never think I guess "ok, I'm 0:2 down, no problem, he must win 5 points more"; Isner wins plenty of tie-breaks due to his big serve, usually he serves better in the tie-break than in his service games, moreover he's got much more better 2nd serve than Karlovic so often wins points with a 2nd serve-forehand winner combination, when Karlovic serves the 2nd ball in the tie-break usually it's a 50/50 situation.

Maybe Djokovic didn't play so many tie-breaks against top players as he does now? Or maybe it's a matter of feeling more pressure once he reached the top.
I think Tsonga plays a lot of TB against lesser opponents and that makes his record better, same as Isner. That's my guess, stats could prove me wrong though.

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 02:19 AM
Maybe Djokovic didn't play so many tie-breaks against top players as he does now? Or maybe it's a matter of feeling more pressure once he reached the top.
I think Tsonga plays a lot of TB against lesser opponents and that makes his record better, same as Isner. That's my guess, stats could prove me wrong though.

Anyway credit to both Djokovic and Tsonga, they both beat the tie-break goat Federer thanks to tie-breaks, and funny thing - on the same court :)

Montreal 2007: Djokovic d. Federer 7-6(2) 2-6 7-6(2)
Montreal 2009: Tsonga d. Federer 7-6(5) 1-6 7-6(3)

tealeaves
02-16-2011, 02:20 AM
I am surprised Tsonga is that good.

Anymore about 6-10 by the way? Thanks in advance.

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 02:26 AM
I am surprised Tsonga is that good.

Anymore about 6-10 by the way? Thanks in advance.

I forgot about Roddick, maybe because he's been losing tie-breaks more often in the last two years. He is 4th, in the Top 10 are also Murray, Baghdatis, Monfils & Robredo.

tealeaves
02-16-2011, 02:30 AM
Monfils & Robredo :eek::lol:
That is quite random

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 02:33 AM
Monfils & Robredo :eek::lol:
That is quite random

I can't explain Monfils's good tie-break record but Robredo has something like Isner in the other department, he hits harder from both wings in the tie-break than in twelve games of a set so it can be tricky for his opponents, and similarly to Djokovic and Nadal he's very concentrated from the first point. Robredo is one of the biggest specialists of final set tie-breaks.

shuhrat
02-16-2011, 02:44 AM
Djokovic's TB W/L ratio was around 74~75% before '08 IW.
And then he lost the edge slowly. The first part of the last year's was the worst, I guess, well below 50%. :tape:

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 02:54 AM
Djokovic's TB W/L ratio was around 74~75% after '08 IW.
And then he lost the edge slowly. The first part of the last year's was the worst, I guess, well below 50%. :tape:

Yeah, his tie-break record was extraordinary at the time. According to my observations he became more prone to lose tie-breaks since there were a lot of talking about his ball bouncing and he cut it from 15-20 to 10-15 ;) Despite his still very good record, he struggles with "6:6" TB situations. Maybe it's a matter of bad habits, he lost a couple long tie-breaks in the period when his TB record was outstanding.

shuhrat
02-16-2011, 03:07 AM
Yeah, his tie-break record was extraordinary at the time. According to my observations he became more prone to lose tie-breaks since there were a lot of talking about his ball bouncing and he cut it from 15-20 to 10-15 ;) Despite his still very good record, he struggles with "6:6" TB situations. Maybe it's a matter of bad habits, he lost a couple long tie-breaks in the period when his TB record was outstanding.It's a really frustrating thing, but at least now I learned it's been like that even before the slump. :lol:

In case someone might be interested, this is top 30 players' TB record at Mar. 10th, 2008. You can see the difference. (Feb. 14th, 2011 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Reliability-Zone/Reliability-Tie-Breakers-Current-List.aspx) *Click 'Career Index')

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 03:12 AM
Gonzalez is still around 60 % but he looks at the moment like a half-retired player with 30 years and a perspective to be outside Top 150 after Miami.

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 03:34 AM
(Feb. 14th, 2011 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Reliability-Zone/Reliability-Tie-Breakers-Current-List.aspx) *Click 'Career Index')

This stats sucks awfully in relation to older, retired players; Sampras won 328 tie-breaks, not 274, Edberg 249 not 107 etc.

shuhrat
02-16-2011, 03:49 AM
This stats sucks awfully in relation to older, retired players; Sampras won 328 tie-breaks, not 274, Edberg 249 not 107 etc.
And how about the current one? They omitted Robredo's name from the list. :eek: :rolls:

Voo de Mar
02-16-2011, 03:58 AM
And how about the current one? They omitted Robredo's name from the list. :eek: :rolls:

I believe the current one is right, perhaps Robredo is out of the list because last year won only 9 tie-breaks, I don't know the exact criteria of this "50" list, maybe "at least 20 tie-breaks played" or something :shrug:

shuhrat
02-16-2011, 04:04 AM
I believe the current one is right, perhaps Robredo is out of the list because last year won only 9 tie-breaks, I don't know the exact criteria of this "50" list, maybe "at least 20 tie-breaks played" or something :shrug:
Yeah, neither do I. The other top 10's stats seems right and his name is found on the career list though.