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Verdasco: Slow courts led to Spanish success

Pirata.
02-09-2011, 03:20 AM
Q. I was going to ask you about the success of tennis in Spain. You have three top-10 players: yourself, Rafa and Ferrer. What has led to that extraordinary success in recent years?

FERNANDO VERDASCO: Well, that's a question that they ask me already many times. It's hard to know exactly why. I don't really have the answer for that. I think that it's just a period in history right now that we have not only good tennis players, but also athletes. I think in Spain we are right now in the best period of sport in history, like winning the World Cup in soccer that we never did before, in basketball, in Formula One, in cycling, in tennis. In almost every sport we are doing unbelievable. I think it is just, I don't know, something of history. It's tough to know. It's tough to know.

In tennis, just speaking about tennis, I think that Spain had like really good players in the last - at least what I remember - 20 years: Moya, Ferrero, Corretja, Berasategui, Bruguera. In that years, maybe the '90s, they were only more like clay court players. But also the hard court tournaments were much more faster than now. Maybe the Spanish players, they were not serving as good as maybe all the, like, U.S. players or French players or German players or Croatian players in that age.

But now that the hard courts, even the grass court, they are slower, I think that's why Spanish players, they are winning much more matches in all the surface, and that's why we have more players up there, like five players in the top 20, three players in the top 10, many players in the top 100, no? All the courts are getting slower. That helps the Spanish players, you know, to win more matches and be more in the top.

It is from here http://www.asapsports.com/show_conference.php?id=68689

GlennMirnyi
02-09-2011, 03:21 AM
Tell me something new.

orangehat
02-09-2011, 03:21 AM
Tell us something we don't already know, Nando :rolls:

TMJordan
02-09-2011, 03:29 AM
Do we really need a thread for this? This is comon sense. Besides who gives a shit what Verdasco says? Maybe post it in his forum.

GlennMirnyi
02-09-2011, 03:31 AM
Just relax and wait for the Nadulltards. They'll surely come here and say we're all haters, etc.

Henry Chinaski
02-09-2011, 04:03 AM
Shitloads of clay futures events is the main reason. The Spanish get the best education in modern tennis without leaving their own country.

You won't find the next Spanish top 10 player getting hyped up at a junior slam because he's probably been grinding in futures qualies since he was 15

Slower hardcourts have probably helped them translate that success to the very biggest stages but it wouldn't mean shit if the structure wasn't already in place

BULLZ1LLA
02-09-2011, 04:12 AM
RG = 5 titles
W = 2 titles/2 finals
USO = 1 title/2 semis
AO = 1 title/1 semi

AO = slowest hardcourt , Rafa do not like, gives opponent too much time. Give Rafa time too but he do not need it compared to struggling opponent.

GlennMirnyi
02-09-2011, 04:13 AM
Told you the Raflukell Nadull fangirls would invade this soon enough.

moon language
02-09-2011, 04:13 AM
Duh.

Filo V.
02-09-2011, 04:15 AM
A little simplified, but the slower courts of today definitely have played a major impact in the success of Spaniards, and other "clay court country" players on other surfaces.

Topspin Forehand
02-09-2011, 04:45 AM
RG = 5 titles
W = 2 titles/2 finals
USO = 1 title/2 semis
AO = 1 title/1 semi

AO = slowest hardcourt , Rafa do not like, gives opponent too much time. Give Rafa time too but he do not need it compared to struggling opponent.
Nadal was sick before this years Australian Open. His preparation for the US Open was much better.

Arkulari
02-09-2011, 04:48 AM
Shitloads of clay futures events is the main reason. The Spanish get the best education in modern tennis without leaving their own country.

You won't find the next Spanish top 10 player getting hyped up at a junior slam because he's probably been grinding in futures qualies since he was 15

Slower hardcourts have probably helped them translate that success to the very biggest stages but it wouldn't mean shit if the structure wasn't already in place

That is true:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2mi5015.jpg

Those futures tournaments are played almost exclusively by Spanish players, there are about a 1000 of them around in all levels, from U-12 to ATP, and the level is very demanding, the competition is tough even inside of clubs themselves and there are tons of qualified coaches across the country.

Clay is giving the foundation for the modern game because there you can build the power and consistency of strokes, the patience to build points, the stamina to stay on rallies and if you serve well on clay, you can serve well everywhere else.

It's all about the sports culture and how much is spend in those, for example, Spain has 23,995 UEFA qualified coaches in comparison with England's 2,769 and we can continue with many other sports :shrug:

.-Federers_Mate-.
02-09-2011, 04:53 AM
So insightful is Fernando. Jokes, the guy is talking out of his ass usual. It's so obvious that he skipped school to play tennis judging by his self absorbed comments.

orangehat
02-09-2011, 06:04 AM
Well Italy has quite a lot of Futures as well (not as many as Spain) plus it has hell of a lot of Challengers.

I count 28 challengers, 23 or 24 of them clay as of last year. This compared to Spain's pathetic 5, 2 of which are on Hard.

You don't see them producing any good players do you? :shrug:

Perhaps spain's structure at the futures level is very good but I think it has got more to do with the coaching and training regimes.

DrJules
02-09-2011, 06:31 AM
But now that the hard courts, even the grass court, they are slower, I think that's why Spanish players, they are winning much more matches in all the surface, and that's why we have more players up there, like five players in the top 20, three players in the top 10, many players in the top 100, no? All the courts are getting slower. That helps the Spanish players, you know, to win more matches and be more in the top.

I think Nadal would overall agree.

Although it should be noted the greater strength and power of the modern players has compensated for much of the slowing in conditions.

Action Jackson
02-09-2011, 06:47 AM
Rain is wet.

Macbrother
02-09-2011, 06:54 AM
Verdasco just telling it like it is.

BULLZ1LLA
02-09-2011, 07:00 AM
Alex Corretja, Carlos Moya, Ferrero, all do well in hardcourt slams at same time. How this different to Verdasco and Rafa?

Moya made the Final of Australian Open and Semi-Final of US Open.
Corretja made Quarter-Final of US Open.
Albert Costa made Quarter-Final of Australian Open.
Ferrero made Final of US Open and Semi-Final of Australian Open.

and this era:
Verdasco made Semi-Final of Australian Open and Quarter-Final of US Open. Not as good as previous Spanish.
Rafa always been a threat at hardcourt, even in 2005.

So how is Spanish on hardcourts better now than before? Only Rafa gone a bit higher, but he higher than everybody on any surface.

orangehat
02-09-2011, 07:14 AM
Alex Corretja, Carlos Moya, Ferrero, all do well in hardcourt slams at same time. How this different to Verdasco and Rafa?

Moya made the Final of Australian Open and Semi-Final of US Open.
Corretja made Quarter-Final of US Open.
Albert Costa made Quarter-Final of Australian Open.
Ferrero made Final of US Open and Semi-Final of Australian Open.

and this era:
Verdasco made Semi-Final of Australian Open and Quarter-Final of US Open. Not as good as previous Spanish.
Rafa always been a threat at hardcourt, even in 2005.

So how is Spanish on hardcourts better now than before? Only Rafa gone a bit higher, but he higher than everybody on any surface.

I notice you left out grass a.k.a. green clay :shrug:

acionescu
02-09-2011, 07:19 AM
Remember the times when Nando used to open more his pants fly than his mouth? Good times :sobbing:

Zagor
02-09-2011, 07:20 AM
Verdasco is just telling it like it is.Slower courts are not the only factor of course but one of them no doubt

RG = 5 titles
W = 2 titles/2 finals
USO = 1 title/2 semis
AO = 1 title/1 semi

AO = slowest hardcourt , Rafa do not like, gives opponent too much time. Give Rafa time too but he do not need it compared to struggling opponent.

Alex Corretja, Carlos Moya, Ferrero, all do well in hardcourt slams at same time. How this different to Verdasco and Rafa?

Moya made the Final of Australian Open and Semi-Final of US Open.
Corretja made Quarter-Final of US Open.
Albert Costa made Quarter-Final of Australian Open.
Ferrero made Final of US Open and Semi-Final of Australian Open.

and this era:
Verdasco made Semi-Final of Australian Open and Quarter-Final of US Open. Not as good as previous Spanish.
Rafa always been a threat at hardcourt, even in 2005.

So how is Spanish on hardcourts better now than before? Only Rafa gone a bit higher, but he higher than everybody on any surface.


Nadal slam king,why are you hiding behind another account? Tell me is Nadal gonna win next 7 slams in a row next?

FairWeatherFan
02-09-2011, 07:22 AM
Yes, that is why tennis nations, like Australia, are having to change their courts to clay instead of grass as a development surface, because you need to play a slow game from the baseline to be successful these days. So instead of the exciting attacking tennis players Australia has so far always produced, the next generation of Australian players will be a legion of boring dirtballers. Thanks ATP.

Topspindoctor
02-09-2011, 08:08 AM
Courts are only fast if Nadal loses. Courts are slow if he wins. With this easy formula it's easy to see that Wimbledon was fast in 2003/04/05/06/07 - then slowed down in in 2008, sped up again in 2009 and slowed again in 2010. USO was super fast until they covered it with blue clay dust so Nadal could slide into his shots.

BULLZ1LLA
02-09-2011, 08:32 AM
I notice you left out grass a.k.a. green clay :shrug:

Cos Spanish do poorly there always now and before. Rafa the only exception.

FlameOn
02-09-2011, 08:36 AM
Fuck you losers...

Nando was asked a question, he gave an answer. That's all there is to it.

reddestred
02-09-2011, 09:07 AM
Yup, they got lucky.

BULLZ1LLA
02-09-2011, 09:11 AM
Moya got lucky? AO final and USO semi. Juan Carlos Ferrero USO final.

BodyServe
02-09-2011, 09:54 AM
If there was faster courts nowadays, maybe there would be more players like Pim Pim, Soderling... who learned to play on fast indoors court.

Pirao666
02-09-2011, 10:24 AM
Federer has won his slams in the same grass as Nadal, he has benefitted from it as much as Nadal, no? :worship:

Topspindoctor
02-09-2011, 10:26 AM
Federer has won his slams in the same grass as Nadal, he has benefitted from it as much as Nadal, no? :worship:

:secret: Whenever Olderer won Wimby, the grass was fast.

Pirata.
02-09-2011, 10:41 AM
Cos Spanish do poorly there always now and before. Rafa only exception.

Feliciano Lopez did very well on grass. First Spanish player to reach the quarterfinals in decades.

Sonja1989
02-09-2011, 10:55 AM
Feliciano Lopez did very well on grass. First Spanish player to reach the quarterfinals in decades.

Yes, Feli played two times QF in Wimby.
And he def Nadal in Queen's last year.

penzias
02-09-2011, 10:59 AM
Feliciano Lopez did very well on grass. First Spanish player to reach the quarterfinals in decades.
So? Feliciano isn't exactly a clay court specialist. What's that suposed to prove?

Sonja1989
02-09-2011, 11:01 AM
So? Feliciano isn't exactly a clay court specialist. What's that suposed to prove?

No. Feli isn't so good on clay. Much better is hard or grass for him.

Pirao666
02-09-2011, 11:01 AM
:secret: Whenever Olderer won Wimby, the grass was fast.

Yeah I forgot. The balls were slower in 2008 and 2010 too, they sped them up in 2009 again. How lucky is that mug Nadal, the ATP changes the balls when he's playing just to spite Fedtards :worship:

A_Skywalker
02-09-2011, 11:03 AM
Slower surfaces make better matches anyway, its ugly to watch ace after ace, also slower surfaces help some spaniards, but I dont think it helps Nadal so much, it would have helped him with his 2005 game, but now he is different player.

Pirata.
02-09-2011, 11:26 AM
So? Feliciano isn't exactly a clay court specialist. What's that suposed to prove?

Because IDIOTZILLA said that all the Spanish players sucked on grass except Rafa. Which is not true. Ferrero is another decent grass player.

Zagor
02-09-2011, 11:58 AM
Federer has won his slams in the same grass as Nadal, he has benefitted from it as much as Nadal, no? :worship:

True Fed won most of his Wimbledons predominantly from the baseline as well so we can't know exactly who has benefited more since neither Fed nor Nadal played on the 90s grass.However Verdasco wasn't asked why Fed did so well all these years on HC/grass but why his fellow Spaniards did.

Mungo
02-09-2011, 12:41 PM
Ok Verdasco we all know you're dumb, no need to show it week after week. Like if you were better on slow courts...

timafi
02-09-2011, 01:08 PM
he's got that right about the courts being slow as fuck but it's not as if he and the likes of Ferrer;Lopez and co are winning the Master Series on either clay or hard courts :tape:

FormerRafaFan
02-09-2011, 01:23 PM
And this is news.. how exactly?:shrug:

Shade
02-09-2011, 01:46 PM
:secret: Whenever Olderer won Wimby, the grass was fast.

Wasn't fast in 2009. It's common knowledge that they've slowed down the grass since the mid-2000's. The USO's been the fastest slam for a few years now.

Nadull_tard
02-09-2011, 01:53 PM
Are you kidding me? Surface homogenization is not the point, the point is who has benefited the most.
Federer would easily handle in 90s, his natural game is suited perfectly for classic grass court.
Unlike Nadal, who has no idea how to play on classic grass/hardcourt using serve and volley as a main weapon.
He would struggle in early rounds facing average Sampras Era players, standing no chance against a grass court specialist.
Roger started this baseline shit only due to court slowing, he couldn't be so succesfull in slams If he remained playing so agressively, the other main reason is Nadal and Fed's moronic desire to defeat Nadal on clay playing his moonball game.

Let's face it, there are no real grass court experts nowadays.

abraxas21
02-16-2011, 03:33 AM
Fuck you losers...

Nando was asked a question, he gave an answer. That's all there is to it.

this. i'm no fan of fiasco but he's just answering a question and he's spot on, i might add.

Mungo
02-16-2011, 10:50 AM
Most of them were track athletes and cycling riders - many of them not being Spanish-, it's known by the media. Just because you were banned the last week you don't have to bump all your old BS.

Pirao666
02-16-2011, 11:38 AM
Wasn't fast in 2009. It's common knowledge that they've slowed down the grass since the mid-2000's. The USO's been the fastest slam for a few years now.

The grass has been the same since 2001 idiot. Federer has won his titles in the same grass as Nadal, deal with it :wavey:

orangehat
02-16-2011, 12:33 PM
The grass has been the same since 2001 idiot. Federer has won his titles in the same grass as Nadal, deal with it :wavey:

You've just missed the point again :spit:

yes, federer won on the same slow surface (at least in 2009, I think 2003 was faster but anyway that's not rly the point either)

But, as other posters have pointed out, Federer would win even if the grass was fast, unlike Nadal.

Seriously people brush up on your comprehension skills.

oranges
02-16-2011, 12:42 PM
Verdasco telling us the rain is wet, yet Nadaltards going apeshit about it. What a wonderful world

nalbyfan
02-16-2011, 12:46 PM
When Bercy's surface was "slow", spaniards never won it ...Federer neither !! Now it's faster...same results : Soderling won the last edition

Pirao666
02-16-2011, 02:17 PM
You've just missed the point again :spit:

yes, federer won on the same slow surface (at least in 2009, I think 2003 was faster but anyway that's not rly the point either)

But, as other posters have pointed out, Federer would win even if the grass was fast, unlike Nadal.

Seriously people brush up on your comprehension skills.

And you know Federer would win in the old grass and that Nadal would not because... oh wait, you don't :wavey:

Mungo
02-16-2011, 03:49 PM
This slow court BS from haters is a non sense. Strings are not the same as before, players can hit MUCH harder. So if the courts were extremely fast as they used to be there would be no tennis other than serve. If you can't see this you're fooling yourself. A bit slower courts only compensate the racquet/strings evolution and let the 'non all-serve' players have success as it should be.

Ichiban1920
02-16-2011, 04:38 PM
This slow court BS from haters is a non sense. Strings are not the same as before, players can hit MUCH harder. So if the courts were extremely fast as they used to be there would be no tennis other than serve. If you can't see this you're fooling yourself. A bit slower courts only compensate the racquet/strings evolution and let the 'non all-serve' players have success as it should be.

It also lets talentless moonballers like Nadull win fluke grand slams.

The slowing down of courts is the worst thing to happen to tennis.

DrJules
02-17-2011, 11:56 AM
Faster court + Raonic = defeat of Spaniard (Verdasco).

Verdasco has proved his point in the last week.

nalbyfan
02-17-2011, 11:59 AM
Tabasco should ask Memphis boss to change the surface and not to give any WC to Raonic...

fran70
02-17-2011, 12:09 PM
Shitloads of clay futures events is the main reason. The Spanish get the best education in modern tennis without leaving their own country.

You won't find the next Spanish top 10 player getting hyped up at a junior slam because he's probably been grinding in futures qualies since he was 15

Slower hardcourts have probably helped them translate that success to the very biggest stages but it wouldn't mean shit if the structure wasn't already in place

This :yeah: That structure that started in Barcelona and spreaded all around Spain was the seed of this well deserved success.