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Nadal's new injury?

Surcouf
01-26-2011, 11:07 AM
In 2009 it took a very long time, almost one year.

I really hope Nadal will take less time to recover this time but seeing how serious it looks I am worried.

kronus12
01-26-2011, 11:11 AM
depends of the degree of the tear, will decide how long he will be out, ifs its bad then its about 3 months if not then a few weeks of the tour should do it.

green25814
01-26-2011, 11:18 AM
We don't know whether he's injured yet. And if he is, what the injury is. I doubt its particularly serious or he'd have retired though.

Graffite
01-26-2011, 11:22 AM
I definitely hope it's not too serious. From what I can see it doesn't appear to be, it just such a shame it had to occur during a GS :(

Bargearse
01-26-2011, 11:25 AM
If he retired and left the court on a stretcher I would be convinced the injury is serious. That he finished the match to me indicates he'll live.

Surcouf
01-26-2011, 11:25 AM
We don't know whether he's injured yet. And if he is, what the injury is. I doubt its particularly serious or he'd have retired though.

Ferrer is his friend. He was not going to retire.

He did not retire at RG and it costed him months and months og being a ghost on courts after his come back.

swebright
01-26-2011, 11:27 AM
He wasn't fit 100% to begin with + something aggrevated him. Let's wait and see what PMac and Darren have to say. They thought something severe happened before he took time out early in first set. He came back and started talking to Uncle Toni. It wasn't unexpected; Uncle Toni knew something was wrong.

I think it's better to reveal your injury after the match and give full credit to your opponent. Or, withdraw.

Ben.
01-26-2011, 11:28 AM
Well the fact he stayed out their suggests it isn't too bad, unless he aggravated it further. He has plenty of time to rest now though. Hope he is back to 100% for Indian Wells

ApproachShot
01-26-2011, 11:30 AM
Good thing is that he wasn't scheduled to play for the next 5 weeks anyway, so I hope this will give him sufficient time to recover. If necessary, he can take an extra week off by not playing in the Davis Cup tie in the first week of March. Then hopefully he will be back at his best in time for Indian Wells.

joplin
01-26-2011, 12:08 PM
BBC states it is a thigh injury...judging by the extent, it should be one to three weeks

Raiden
01-26-2011, 12:27 PM
How much time Nadal will need to recover from this new injury?
Redundant question.

Nad will be there at the big French O. Book it!

If he hoists the coupe-des-Musqueterres we know he is "healed"

If he's defeated in the [fill in the blanks] round, let's say by top-Dolg, then you'd know he's still "injured" :o

The Magician
01-26-2011, 12:33 PM
Nadull is always injured until he wins again. Maybe his fragile ego was injured when he lost and it affected his body :lol:

shadows
01-26-2011, 12:34 PM
Couple of days physically, but who knows how long mentally

juninhOH
01-26-2011, 12:55 PM
in 2010 he was arguably injured at the AO and we all saw at happened

Blackbriar
01-26-2011, 12:58 PM
agree with juninhOH, he will keep low profile during US mini-season, everybody will talk about Federer coming back to n°1, or Murray, or Djokovic. And then the clay will arrive, and it will be "Nadal fiesta" all over again.

JMG
01-26-2011, 01:04 PM
in 2010 he was arguably injured at the AO and we all saw at happened

He also faked an injury in Wimbledon, including injury timeouts.

Chartreuse
01-26-2011, 01:40 PM
Watch Nadal win his third RG/Wimbledon double this year.

Johnny Groove
01-26-2011, 01:41 PM
He'll be back in Indian Wells.

Silvester
01-26-2011, 02:00 PM
Like everyone else said, he has plenty of time to rest before his next scheduled event, and if he decides to miss the first event it's not a huge deal to give him even more rest. Besides the injury happening during AO match, the timing couldn't be better with the big break between now and next tourney.

henke007
01-26-2011, 02:01 PM
After the pressconference....

LinkMage
01-26-2011, 02:11 PM
What injury? :rolleyes:

Excusitis is an injury now?

Roger the Dodger
01-26-2011, 02:11 PM
Rafatards need not worry. Nadal should get his rhythm back as soon as he sees the red turf of Montecarlo. That's where he gets his rhythm for the rest of the year.

guga2120
01-26-2011, 02:38 PM
Hopefully its not too long, it sucked in 2009 seeing Federer, win so much just b/c Rafa was injured. Monte Carlo, he is back to 100%.

samanosuke
01-26-2011, 02:43 PM
depends when the next defeat comes

San Rosso
01-26-2011, 02:51 PM
It's over for Nadal, his demanding playstyle has forced him to end his carreer. Inevitable.

RagingLamb
01-26-2011, 02:53 PM
What did he say in the presser?

mgasol
01-26-2011, 03:06 PM
its now close to the end for nadull. his demanding play style wont allow him much further. the real number one will also be back in his spot soon. tennis wins.

tennis2tennis
01-26-2011, 03:10 PM
depends of the degree of the tear, will decide how long he will be out, ifs its bad then its about 3 months if not then a few weeks of the tour should do it.

Uncle Toni better schedule the rest of his season very carefully!

tennis2tennis
01-26-2011, 03:14 PM
Hopefully its not too long, it sucked in 2009 seeing Federer, win so much just b/c Rafa was injured. Monte Carlo, he is back to 100%.

rafa wasn't injured when Robin beat him and as I recall his "abdominal strain" appeared after he lost to JMP..:rolleyes:

rocketassist
01-26-2011, 03:21 PM
Soderling beat him in 09 because he was hitting so short into the middle of the court- that's nothing to do with the knees.

Eden
01-26-2011, 03:30 PM
What did he say in the presser?

The presser was posted in the match thread, but here it is again:



Rafael Nadal - 26.01.11
Wednesday, 26 January, 2011

Q. What can you tell us about the injury? What did David say to you at the end of the match?

RAFAEL NADAL: I can say nothing about the injury. Seriously, I would prefer don't talk a lot about the injury.

Tonight, first of all, I don't know nothing. Second thing, for respect to the winner and to a friend, I prefer to talk about the match. I think he played at a very high level. I just congratulate him and wish him all the best for the semifinal. I think he's doing a fantastic tournament. If he keep playing like this, he going to have a good chances.

What David told me at the net is for me and that's it.

Q. How emotional is it for you tonight?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yes, is a difficult day for me. I lost in quarterfinals another time. So I tried my best. I couldn't do more. Tonight I think I played against a great player, a great opponent. Today I really can't do more than what I did. So he played at a very high level, and I wasn't able to compete against him tonight.

Q. It's going to be difficult for us to write a piece without appreciating how well you could move. It seemed to us you couldn't move as well as you would like to have been moving tonight. Is that a fair statement?

RAFAEL NADAL: You see the match?

Q. Yes.

RAFAEL NADAL: So you are ready to write everything. I don't have to tell you about what I felt on the court because I tried my best all the time. But is obvious that I didn't feel at my best. I had a problem during the match, in the very beginning. After that, the match was almost over. So that's what I can say.

But you know what, for me is difficult come here and speak about. In Doha I wasn't healthy. Today I have another problem. Seems like I always have problems when I lose, and I don't want to have this image, no? I prefer don't talk about that today. If you can respect that, will be a very nice thing for me. Thank you.

Q. What was the problem, though?

RAFAEL NADAL: You are listening me? I can't tell you which problem I have. First thing, because I don't know. That's my answer.

Q. What you achieved in the last year was nothing short of amazing. Does this break your heart a little bit that it had to happen like this?

RAFAEL NADAL: The tennis career, you have higher moments and lower moments. I had almost all the time very, very happy moments and very nice moments in my career. That's part of the sport. Last year I was very lucky. I was healthy most of the year. I was playing unbelievable during all the year.

This year I did I think all the right things to start the season playing really well. And, seriously, I was playing like this in the first exhibition in Abu Dhabi. After that starts the problem. Was a difficult month for me, no?

That's part of the sport. Accept; keep working; try my best in the next tournament. That's what I can do.

Last year I had a fantastic year. This year the year just start. Last year in the beginning I had problems, too, and finally was the best season of my career. I think is almost impossible to repeat that. But remain a lot, and remain a lot to have hopefully really good moments, and at the same time, too, really negative moments.

So this is one of bad ones, one of negative moments. That's part of the sport. I think I am very, very lucky sportsman about what happened in my career. And I have to accept the fantastic moments that I had during a lot of years with the same calm that when I have problems. And if I am ready to accept both things with I think let's say everything the same, I going to be able to come back and play my best tennis another time.

Q. How do you think David will get on in the semifinals?

RAFAEL NADAL: He's playing fantastic. But I think he's not the favorite. But if he keep playing like this, hopefully he can have a good chance to be in the final or win the tournament. I would love. Is a fantastic person. Is a close friend of mine. So I wish him all the best.

I think that Andy is playing very good, too, but David is playing at high level, no? If he's able to keep playing like this, I think he gonna have a good chances. I hope that. I wish him all the very best.

Q. After what happened in Doha, coming here a little bit late...

RAFAEL NADAL: Coming late?

Q. You were ill in Doha and came to Melbourne a little bit late.

RAFAEL NADAL: I didn't came late. You are wrong. I was here one week before the tournament. Is more than enough.

Q. The question is, with you being ill in Doha, then what happened after the Tomic match, did you feel that maybe this tournament wasn't meant to be, wasn't destiny to win?

RAFAEL NADAL: I tried my best in Doha. Was a difficult week for me. Here, seriously, before the match of today I started to feel that I am playing much better and I am very healthy and don't have no problem in general. So I was happy about happened during the first week because I was through without being perfect.

I started the second week with a very good match against Cilic and improving my level every day. Seriously, I was practicing much better than in the beginning of the tournament, and I felt ready to play this quarterfinals. But wasn't the day.

Q. What will be your next tournament?

RAFAEL NADAL: I don't know yet. I have to think a little bit about everything and we will see what's going on in the next weeks.

Q. We appreciate your fair play, and we understand what you're saying. I just would like to know if you didn't have in front of you a friend of yours, would you have kept till the last ball and point to stay on court or would you have left a little before?

RAFAEL NADAL: I hate the retirements, so this wasn't the day. I did last year. I hate that moment. I didn't want to repeat that.

Q. The match against Cilic showed you were recovering well. Did you feel anything unusual the last couple days?

RAFAEL NADAL: I felt fantastic the last couple days. I practiced very good yesterday. I had a fantastic warmup today before the match. Only feeling that I can say was very positive. I started the second week, and when the second week started, everything was better and better for me: the health, sweat, the level of tennis. Everything was better and better.

Q. Earlier today Andy Murray said there's a number of guys on tour who on any given day can beat each other: yourself, Robin, Roger...

RAFAEL NADAL: I didn't understand.

Q. He said any one of the top six or seven players on any day can beat each other. Do you think after the year you had last year, our expectations of you are probably higher than yours, given the evenness of the top six or seven players?

RAFAEL NADAL: For me there are much more than six or seven on the tour that can beat everybody. I think is more than these few. In general, the expectations, I don't know which expectations you have about me. I have my ones. I have my goals. Probably we think different ways, no?

I live day to day with myself. You see everything from outside. I know how difficult is everything. Probably, you know, not exactly the same. This part is difficult, no? This part is very competitive. You have to have be in perfect conditions to win. The season is always crazy, very long. You can't have time to rest and come back to prepare perfect in a season. That's this game. Only the best players, only the more prepared players physically and mentally are ready to be here and to be in the top positions a long time.

My expectations, I said before the tournament, I said before the year start, is enjoy every day and practice hard every day with same illusion, humble and motivation that I did all my career. So that's my principal goal, in general, no?

I lost in quarterfinals today. We'll see what's happen in next tournament. I'll work hard to be ready.

Q. Can you tell us your feelings tonight compared to this time last year?

RAFAEL NADAL: Is different because last year was the knees. I had a problem, big problem, in the knee in the past. So was hard for me to have another time the same. I didn't see a solution in that. Is not the case.

I came last year after probably six, seven months really hard for me of injuries and of problems in general. So was a hard situation. This year everything is a little bit different. I have three more Grand Slams at home, a few more Masters 1000s and a few more tournaments.

I can say nothing wrong because I had a fantastic time last year. Not possible be all the time at hundred percent. Not possible all the time to have all the positive factors together to win in every tournament.

Last year happened in almost every one. This year we start with a little bit of unlucky. I gonna work hard to come back and to keep having chances and to compete against the best players and to keep being in the top positions of the ranking, so...

I love playing tennis. I love the competition. And I love, in general, the hard moments because you are ready to change the situation working hard, working every day with a goal and with illusion.

Q. You said your preparation was good for this year. Was the vacation long enough after London?

RAFAEL NADAL: The vacation long enough? No, one day is enough, you think? Never is enough. With this sport you never have vacations enough. This part is special for different things. This factor is one of the special things that makes the tour hard and difficult. Only the best players mentally prepared are ready to be here long time.

I said before, wasn't a problem of holidays, the start of the season. The only problem was a little bit of unlucky. In general, I had a virus. When you have a virus, your body goes down and you have more risk of everything. That's probably what happened. That's the simple thing.

Now we have to accept. I said 100 times. But the only thing I can say is, accept the situation and work to try to have another very good season.

Q. How did the fireworks display disrupt your rhythm?

RAFAEL NADAL: Nothing, nothing, no.

luie
01-26-2011, 03:32 PM
As long as he doesn't have to play Del-po/ferrer/Murray/davydenko he will be healthy.

rafaholic
01-26-2011, 03:55 PM
Indian Wells of course

guga2120
01-26-2011, 04:20 PM
rafa wasn't injured when Robin beat him and as I recall his "abdominal strain" appeared after he lost to JMP..:rolleyes:

Wrong on both counts.(I guess you missed the Roland Garros final this year) but injuries are part of the game. Federer, as usual benefited greatly and got the French b/c of Rafa's knees. Hopefully that does not happen here.

Commander Data
01-26-2011, 04:29 PM
3 weeks 2 days 17 hours 32 minutes and 12.32 sec.

Raiden
01-26-2011, 05:09 PM
It's clear that with Nadal injuries are pretty much part and parcel of his being and therefore his capacity.

He is INCAPABLE of being healthy and top-dog at the same time, period.

Ergo: injured Rafa = normal Rafa ≠ injury free Rafa

Fujee
01-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Already 2 losses in the 1st month for the world number 1, while pics and dodge go undefeated - mental

Nadull_tard
01-26-2011, 05:26 PM
Depends on the results, he will be suffering from thigh until he wins something big.
If he fails, he can always make up his failures with not serious injury picked up 4 months before.

BodyServe
01-26-2011, 05:35 PM
Wrong on both counts.(I guess you missed the Roland Garros final this year) but injuries are part of the game. Federer, as usual benefited greatly and got the French b/c of Rafa's knees. Hopefully that does not happen here.

I assume you think Soderling played as well in the final...well i can't help you.

Mjau!
01-26-2011, 05:37 PM
Wrong on both counts.(I guess you missed the Roland Garros final this year) but injuries are part of the game. Federer, as usual benefited greatly and got the French b/c of Rafa's knees. Hopefully that does not happen here.

Robin was hurt! He pulled out of Halle citing a knee injury.

Rafa won the AO because of Rogie's back. :awww:

rocketassist
01-26-2011, 05:45 PM
A playing style like Nadal's in a non-homogenized tour is asking for trouble anyway. His 90s clones like Muster and Bruguera would have burnt out to fuck if they were playing on the surfaces we have today, although they'd be a bigger threat at the non-clay slams.

Orka_n
01-26-2011, 07:54 PM
Until he starts winning again, I assume.

luie
01-26-2011, 07:55 PM
Wrong on both counts.(I guess you missed the Roland Garros final this year) but injuries are part of the game. Federer, as usual benefited greatly and got the French b/c of Rafa's knees. Hopefully that does not happen here.

Negative fed benefitted from soderling taking out nadull,, not nadulls knees. Nadull destroyed hewitt the match before. One of the drawbacks off using the extreme western grip is that in early rounds of tournies you play alot of "short balls" the bounce before the service line,its after a few rounds he begins to find his range & hit the balls deeper together with his topsin makes it difficult to dislodge him in SF & F.
Robin is a tall big hitter, that played a great match & took advantage of nadull's short balls ,as the topspin makes it sit up nice in his strikezone.

RagingLamb
01-26-2011, 08:01 PM
The presser was posted in the match thread, but here it is again:

Thanks.

Didnt want to talk about it I guess.

The Magician
01-26-2011, 08:05 PM
A playing style like Nadal's in a non-homogenized tour is asking for trouble anyway. His 90s clones like Muster and Bruguera would have burnt out to fuck if they were playing on the surfaces we have today, although they'd be a bigger threat at the non-clay slams.

This is actually an interesting point. Making all the surfaces clay is a double edged sword for Nadull. Obviously it allowed him to get the career grand slam and use the same gamestyle for the entire year, but it also doesn't allow him the traditional break the grinders and clay specialists of the past got. Nadull, even if he only played the mandatory events, would be playing way more matches than his body can handle. I'm scared to say Nadull burned brightly but only for half as long as the flame of FedGOAT :cool:

DrJules
01-26-2011, 09:05 PM
Hopefully prospects better than for Henin who has had to retire:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/26012011/58/australian-open-henin-retires-tennis.html

Poirot123
01-26-2011, 09:15 PM
People have been saying Nadal tweeked/pulled his hamstring. Having also suffered a similar injury, I know that it is incredibly painful, and if he did indeed pull it in the first set, it would've taken a monumental effort to keep playing through. So kudos to Nadal - he played through a real pain barrier. As for recovery time. Hamstrings require complete rest for 3 - 4 weeks to recover. If you come back too soon, you risk injuring it again. But once it's recovered, you should be fine.

Raferminator
01-26-2011, 09:17 PM
I don't think it's serious enough to be a long term injury concern for him aside from the fact that all his retrieving abilities seem to be wearing on his body and it's only the first month of the season. He's been sick with the flu and that makes the entire body weak and more prone to injury. Hamstring injuries aren't something you just play through if they are that bad, so fans can take heart that he's probably not done anything that'll keep him out for any real length of time. I expect him back for IW.

Elbarto
01-26-2011, 09:25 PM
Nadal may be back in march, maybe at Cincinnati,

the most important for him is to be ready for the clay season ( Monte-carlo, april ), it doesn't matter if he had to withdraw in Indian wells and Cincinnati

leng jai
01-26-2011, 09:29 PM
So in other words:

I can't talk about injury because I am bum buddies, I just like to say how he play best match of all time. This make me humble because you already know I am mega injured, no?

If I played Soderling then I tell you my leg about to fall off any second and I retire after the second game, no?

Poirot123
01-26-2011, 09:34 PM
I don't think it's serious enough to be a long term injury concern for him aside from the fact that all his retrieving abilities seem to be wearing on his body and it's only the first month of the season. He's been sick with the flu and that makes the entire body weak and more prone to injury. Hamstring injuries aren't something you just play through if they are that bad, so fans can take heart that he's probably not done anything that'll keep him out for any real length of time. I expect him back for IW.

You can play through hamstring injuries - although when I pulled mine I requested an immediate substitution (after 1 minute of a football match) - but playing through would hurt unimanginably. I came back early, 2 weeks after the initial pull, and it still hurt when I ran hard - and I was no where near my best because of it. If Nadal did suffer a hamstring pull, 4 weeks rest and he'll be fine.

SetSampras
01-26-2011, 09:37 PM
What the hell was he doing continuing to play on after the USO, playing meaningless exos with Federer, and filling his schedule all the way up to to the AO without any real signnicant break. Especially considering all the physical issues he has had the last two years.

Hes a great player and when healthy is the best player in the world hands down but Will the idiot ever learn?

dombrfc
01-26-2011, 09:40 PM
Get well soon Rafa!

abraxas21
01-26-2011, 09:41 PM
rafa's injuries don't have much to do with his schedule but rather his unortodhox playing style, imo.

careergrandslam
01-26-2011, 09:43 PM
im sick of defending rafa.

its hard to defend a guy that repeat the same scheduling mistakes every year and gets injured every year and gets beaten the same way every year.

i dunno how to react to this loss, so many things are going through my mind, anger, frustration, devastated, sad, etc.

for me i knew he was not winning this title, so i was preparing from the start for the eventual loss but its the way it happened that annoys the piss out of me. his game plan of playing sooooo defensive even when he knew he couldnt run at his best, his lack of rest during the off season.

i dont care if he loses in a close match, but the way he meekly surrendered to ferrer who isnt some hardcourt specialist. it was a bad look.

just so disappointing about the way it went about and the scoreline.
when rafa loses, he loses very badly, he gets thrashed, i know he was injured but he should have changed his game up, tried to go to net and end points quicker, he was moving well enough. his attitude was of a beaten man the second he got the injury in the 1st set, maybe because he knew whatever happened this match, his main goal of winning the title was shredded to bits!

his dream was over!

careergrandslam
01-26-2011, 09:47 PM
What the hell was he doing continuing to play on after the USO, playing meaningless exos with Federer, and filling his schedule all the way up to to the AO without any real signnicant break. Especially considering all the physical issues he has had the last two years.

Hes a great player and when healthy is the best player in the world hands down but Will the idiot ever learn?

he will never learn, its part and parcel of supporting that clown.
i respect federer soooooo much because he knows how to make a proper schedule and prepare well.

when it comes to scheduling, changing his game up during a match, rafa is useless.

SetSampras
01-26-2011, 09:48 PM
im sick of defending rafa.

its hard to defend a guy that repeat the same scheduling mistakes every year and gets injured every year and gets beaten the same way every year.

i dunno how to react to this loss, so many things are going through my mind, anger, frustration, devastated, sad, etc.

for me i knew he was not winning this title, so i was preparing from the start for the eventual loss but its the way it happened that annoys the piss out of me. his game plan of playing sooooo defensive even when he knew he couldnt run at his best, his lack of rest during the off season.

i dont care if he loses in a close match, but the way he meekly surrendered to ferrer who isnt some hardcourt specialist. it was a bad look.

just so disappointing about the way it went about and the scoreline.
when rafa loses, he loses very badly, he gets thrashed, i know he was injured but he should have changed his game up, tried to go to net and end points quicker, he was moving well enough. his attitude was of a beaten man the second he got the injury in the 1st set, maybe because he knew whatever happened this match, his main goal of winning the title was shredded to bits!

his dream was over!




Wasn't it you and I talking about Rafa and criticizing the stupidity of him jumping right back onto a tennis court to play pointless exos with Fed the minute they were announced without spending the time to rest to get ready for next year? I think we already saw this coming.

Anyways. not to many people are going to see whole lot of success in tennis with a bad wheel if any. And even he did get by Ferrer, he still would have had Murray next round and Djoker/Fed waiting in the wings. No one is going to get through that with one leg

careergrandslam
01-26-2011, 09:49 PM
u gotta understand that this will be the only time rafa ever has a chance of winning 4 in a row.
of course we are devastated.

Poirot123
01-26-2011, 09:49 PM
To be fair Career Grand Slam, he looked out of sorts at Doha suffering from the virus. I'm not sure he ever really recovered, as his level of play at the Australian Open was way below what we witnessed last year on his way to 3 grand slams. He looked completely unbeatable back then. He's looked vulnerable all through January 2011. A month off would do him some good.

SetSampras
01-26-2011, 09:52 PM
u gotta understand that this will be the only time rafa ever has a chance of winning 4 in a row.
of course we are devastated.

Well maybe next year if he actually gets a full time scheduler this year some time.

careergrandslam
01-26-2011, 09:52 PM
Wasn't it you and I talking about Rafa and criticizing the stupidity of him jumping right back onto a tennis court to play pointless exos with Fed the minute they were announced without spending the time to rest to get ready for next year? I think we already saw this coming.

Anyways. not to many people are going to see whole lot of success in tennis with a bad wheel if any. And even he did get by Ferrer, he still would have had Murray next round and Djoker/Fed waiting in the wins. No one is going to get through that with one leg

yea it was u and me i think.

rafa thinks just because he had a few months without problems, all his injury problems are gone away. he is so wrong.
he is an injury prone guy, his body is built that way, he is heavy, and he needs constant rest to manage his body.

but his team is not wise enough to give him some simple advice.

careergrandslam
01-26-2011, 09:56 PM
thanks for the few of u in here trying to make us rafa fans feel a little better.

really appreciate it.

i dont think u will see many rafa fans on these forums for a while. :lol:

Allez
01-26-2011, 10:07 PM
God a hamstring injury is bloody painful. If Rafa played with that injury then he is crazier than I thought. Nothing is worth that. Luckily it's not a long term injury. Dubai has to be out but he can play IW & Miami.

Rafa is a master on natural surfaces and with a bit of luck at the US the dream can come alive once again so no need for his die hard fans to despair.

Raiden
01-26-2011, 10:30 PM
im sick of defending rafa.

its hard to defend a guy that repeat the same scheduling mistakes every year and gets injured every year and gets beaten the same way every year.I doubt it's all a matter of scheduling.

FEDtheGOAT
01-26-2011, 10:51 PM
The loss has nothing to do with the scheduling...

the virus whatever you wanna call it doesn't exist...

RAFA is playing mind trick with the media....he felt so much pressure coming to the tournament...that he played the sick injured card from the get go...so in case he lose..he'd have a good reason from not winning the rafa slam...and if he had win...he'd be the warrior that overcome adversity......how can a guy says he's 100% fit after the cilic match and having 2 days off....and being sick again the next match....

that doesn't make any sense....in the press conference...he doesn't want to talk about the injury....sure....because he made sure to show the whole world during the match that he was injured...

.

luie
01-26-2011, 10:56 PM
God a hamstring injury is bloody painful. If Rafa played with that injury then he is crazier than I thought. Nothing is worth that. Luckily it's not a long term injury. Dubai has to be out but he can play IW & Miami.

Rafa is a master on natural surfaces and with a bit of luck at the US the dream can come alive once again so no need for his die hard fans to despair.
Meaningless talking about nadull's performances for the rest of year really,, no one ever gets credit for defeating nadull anyway, with respect to the tour as a whole.
Pretty disappointing really.Analysis of rafa matches is a waste of time ,it always comes with an asteriks.

Allez
01-26-2011, 11:00 PM
Meaningless talking about nadull's performances for the rest of year really,, no one ever gets credit for defeating nadull anyway, with respect to the tour as a whole.
Pretty disappointing really.Analysis of rafa matches is a waste of time ,it always comes with an asteriks.

Nadal gave Pics the credit so I'm not sure what more he could have done/said to make you happier than you were before ;)

ballbasher101
01-26-2011, 11:30 PM
What injury? I respect Nadal but his injuries are suspicious to me. Djokovic used to be like that but he has improved which is good to see. Listening to Elvis now, lol.

Snowwy
01-26-2011, 11:32 PM
What injury? I respect Nadal but his injuries are suspicious to me. Djokovic used to be like that but he has improved which is good to see.

Either you didn't watch or you are such a hater that you are blinded by your hate.

ballbasher101
01-26-2011, 11:38 PM
Either you didn't watch or you are such a hater that you are blinded by your hate.

Not a hater at all. I respect Nadal. He even said it himself, people are suspicious of his injuries. I criticise even players that I like when they exaggerate their injuries. Murray has been guilty of that in the past. Federer though has never done such a thing. The Djoker has stopped doing it and lets hope that continues.

swebright
01-27-2011, 04:06 AM
Nadal's facial expression and body language is very bad. It came out like a distraction to the opponent.

Venus also pulled hamstrings early in the match, it was so painful you could see it in her face but she taped it and continued to play. She wasn't playing well, but she didn't yell, talk to her mom, made poor baby-me faces etc. etc. Her facial expression didn't change at all.

10is-
01-27-2011, 04:09 AM
Nadal's facial expression and body language is very bad. It came out like a distraction to the opponent.

Venus also pulled hamstrings early in the match, it was so painful you could see it in her face but she taped it and continued to play. She wasn't playing well, but she didn't yell, talk to her mom, made poor baby-me faces etc. etc. Her facial expression didn't change at all.

EXACTLY!!!

tests
01-27-2011, 05:04 AM
no he wasent injured in ao 2010 until after first 2 sets. He was playing like himself against murray until the 2 sets were over.

It doesnt matter, nadaltards will get to salvage when nadal rapes the clay cout season

tests
01-27-2011, 05:07 AM
yea it was u and me i think.

rafa thinks just because he had a few months without problems, all his injury problems are gone away. he is so wrong.
he is an injury prone guy, his body is built that way, he is heavy, and he needs constant rest to manage his body.

but his team is not wise enough to give him some simple advice.

you and setsampras are reading TOO MUCH into this. Let me reiterate what tennis, and most sports are: a fucking business.

yes, nadal wants to make history, win more slams yada yada yada, but this is a fucking business, and money is king. who knows how much longer nadal would be playing for? Do you realize how much nadal makes in these exhos? I bet him and fed make an easy few million just to show up at these exhos.

I am not saying that nadals a greedy bastard who just wants money, but money is indeed KING.

mgasol
01-27-2011, 05:22 AM
you and setsampras are reading TOO MUCH into this. Let me reiterate what tennis, and most sports are: a fucking business.

yes, nadal wants to make history, win more slams yada yada yada, but this is a fucking business, and money is king. who knows how much longer nadal would be playing for? Do you realize how much nadal makes in these exhos? I bet him and fed make an easy few million just to show up at these exhos.

I am not saying that nadals a greedy bastard who just wants money, but money is indeed KING.

this is a stupid argument because it doesnt have to be that way. tennis is not just a business for federer that is for sure. its about love for him. therefor he schedules well and puts his health first. i bet you he doesnt give a rats ass about a stupid exho if it compromises his health. if you take care of your health you are going to play longer and make more money anyway. money is NOT king as you put it. there is such a thing as passion for what you do.

tests
01-27-2011, 05:31 AM
this is a stupid argument because it doesnt have to be that way. tennis is not just a business for federer that is for sure. its about love for him. therefor he schedules well and puts his health first. i bet you he doesnt give a rats ass about a stupid exho if it compromises his health. if you take care of your health you are going to play longer and make more money anyway. money is NOT king as you put it. there is such a thing as passion for what you do.

Meh, i guess you have a good point. DO you honestly think though that nadal is "stupid" and does not know how to manage his schedule? nope, he knows what these exhos bring..And its an exho for fucks sake. He should not be physically tired from these things..

mgasol
01-27-2011, 05:44 AM
Meh, i guess you have a good point. DO you honestly think though that nadal is "stupid" and does not know how to manage his schedule? nope, he knows what these exhos bring..And its an exho for fucks sake. He should not be physically tired from these things..

no he is obviously after the money. its called greed and has caused the downfall of many a man. that doesnt mean its an excuse. greed is self-serving and does no one any good. federer is not that self-centered although many here would tell you that. he actually cares a lot about the sport as a whole. nadull is only in it for himself and the money. and now he is paying the price.

10is-
01-27-2011, 05:55 AM
How much time Nadal will need to recover from this new injury?

Until it has run its gamut of "excusing" his "performance" issues.

kronus12
01-27-2011, 06:56 AM
You guys know these Exhibitions were to raise money for their respected charities right, I know they got a fee for it but I remember in both of these interviews after each match, it was something they wanted to give back to their fans and the less fortunate people in this world.
For me thats why I think these guys are the greatest and the best to ever play tennis.

tests
01-27-2011, 07:00 AM
Even the doha exhibition?

Anyways, nadal should be back to normal by the time french open rolls around. Nadaltards can rejoice once that happens!

Guy Haines
01-27-2011, 07:17 AM
rafa wasn't injured when Robin beat him and as I recall his "abdominal strain" appeared after he lost to JMP..:rolleyes:

You recall wrong. He was serving 10-20 mph slower than usual when he won the quarterfinal against Gonzalez before his loss to JMDP. He also didn't really talk about the strain in the wake of that loss.

GugaF1
01-28-2011, 02:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YyDJeK9gTWY

I didn`t get exactly what he said about the injury, did he said he had a muscle fiber tear? the funny part is when he shouts, "uncle this is the Austrlian open, no F way I am retiring"

GlennMirnyi
01-28-2011, 02:49 AM
:rolleyes:

Keep the excuses rolling!

fast_clay
01-28-2011, 02:53 AM
i thinks thats from last year

or 2008

could be from this year

they all look the same...

not sure

hope this helps

navy75
01-28-2011, 02:54 AM
Even if you dislike Rafa, it is pretty difficult to argue at least some degree of legitimacy in his injury when his family is imploring him to retire after a medical timeout taken in just the third game of a QF Grand Slam match...

Arkulari
01-28-2011, 03:01 AM
Rafa says: "Javi, I've gotten a torn muscle" "I've gotten a torn muscle for sure"
then he tells his uncle: "Toni, this is the QF of the AO, I won't retire even if I'm dead" (well, he actually says "no me retiro ni cagando" which could be interpreted as "are you kidding me? no way I'm retiring")

Sham Kay
01-28-2011, 03:17 AM
What a bull this Rafa.

.. Interpret that any which way you want.

abraxas21
01-28-2011, 03:42 AM
(well, he actually says "no me retiro ni cagando" which could be interpreted as "are you kidding me? no way I'm retiring")

:lol: thats a rather gentle way of putting it ;)

RagingLamb
01-28-2011, 03:48 AM
Although he didn't want to talk about the injury in the presser he repeated the same sentiment. He said he hated the fact that he retired against Murray last year. Admirable attitude, though probably not very smart.:

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Silvester
01-28-2011, 02:09 PM
no news on the degree of injury? recovery time?

Rafa#Uno:-)
01-28-2011, 02:14 PM
dont think its serious....2 weeks
knees are worse

Nadull_tard
01-28-2011, 03:09 PM
Title " Nadal's new excuse" would fit better.

Rafa#Uno:-)
01-28-2011, 03:17 PM
There is a fine line between excuses and facts. Nadal was injured -fact.

Federer for instance make excuses. Fed is lazy bastard. :-D

Nadull_tard
01-28-2011, 03:25 PM
There is a fine line between excuses and facts. Nadal was injured -fact.

Federer for instance make excuses. Fed is lazy bastard. :-D

Do you have a medical opinion before your eyes to prove it?

harman99
01-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Nadal and his injury: bla-bla-bla-bla
Ferrer was much better.

gulzhan
01-28-2011, 04:29 PM
Venus also pulled hamstrings early in the match, it was so painful you could see it in her face but she taped it and continued to play. She wasn't playing well, but she didn't yell, talk to her mom, made poor baby-me faces etc. etc. Her facial expression didn't change at all.

Serena does that for both in their family.

osmonde
01-28-2011, 04:57 PM
Do you have a medical opinion before your eyes to prove it?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/australian-open-2011/rafael-nadal-flies-home-for-scans-on-injured-hamstring/story-fn77kxzt-1225995719044

abraxas21
01-28-2011, 05:37 PM
anybody else sick of nadal's excuses?

MarsCapricorn
01-28-2011, 05:47 PM
anybody else sick of nadal's excuses?

Anybody sick of abraxas21's posts?

FormerRafaFan
01-28-2011, 06:03 PM
agree with juninhOH, he will keep low profile during US mini-season, everybody will talk about Federer coming back to n°1, or Murray, or Djokovic. And then the clay will arrive, and it will be "Nadal fiesta" all over again.

NID. Why are you even posting this? Everything you said was a given. Nadal always keeps a low profile, even when injured, and he is still gonna win the French Open. Nobody can beat him on clay anyway.

Certinfy
01-28-2011, 06:04 PM
anybody else sick of nadal's excuses?
Yes.
Anybody sick of abraxas21's posts?
No.

FormerRafaFan
01-28-2011, 06:07 PM
in 2010 he was arguably injured at the AO and we all saw at happened

"Arguably injured" huh? So I guess that's why he was out for like 4 or 5 months, because he pretended he had an injury.. yeah, that makes sense:rolleyes:

He also faked an injury in Wimbledon, including injury timeouts.

How the hell do you know if he faked an injury or not? maybe he felt something and wanted to prevent it from getting worse, he checked it out but it wasn't so bad after all.. Are you Nadal? No? Then you can't possibly know that he faked an injury.

FormerRafaFan
01-28-2011, 06:57 PM
Warning: Multi quote post.. you have been warned!

There are so many haters/trolls here I don't even know where to start..

Title " Nadal's new excuse" would fit better.

Maybe it isn't an excuse? maybe he was in fact injured? can you rap your mind around that, or are you just blinded by your hate?

Nadal and his injury: bla-bla-bla-bla
Ferrer was much better.

He was much better, yes. Because he played against an injured guy.

anybody else sick of nadal's excuses?

I'd have to say no, since it's not an "excuse", but the truth. Wonder why ONLY the haters here on MTF claim that Rafa is injured but NOBODY else? Don't you consider that.. weird?

Anybody sick of abraxas21's posts?

Yes.

What injury? :rolleyes:

Excusitis is an injury now?

Are you blind? Did you not see the tape on his thigh?

It's over for Nadal, his demanding playstyle has forced him to end his carreer. Inevitable.

You wish. But unfortunately for you, you are wrong. Rafa will be back, stronger than ever, so you can spew your hate some more.

depends when the next defeat comes

Yes, he decided to fake an injury in the beginning of the first set of a QF grand slam, because he knew he was gonna lose right? After playing like three games.. Yeah, that makes sense:rolleyes:

Soderling beat him in 09 because he was hitting so short into the middle of the court- that's nothing to do with the knees.

Beat him when injured you mean.

As long as he doesn't have to play Del-po/ferrer/Murray/davydenko he will be healthy.

Sure he will, because he ALWAYS claims an injury when playing these guys, right? He played against Murray in the WTF, did he claim an injury then? Don't think so.. So that means your statement is false.

It's clear that with Nadal injuries are pretty much part and parcel of his being and therefore his capacity.

He is INCAPABLE of being healthy and top-dog at the same time, period.

Ergo: injured Rafa = normal Rafa ≠ injury free Rafa

I disagree. He was healthy and at the top of his career in the second half of the 2010 season. He won 3 slams in a row, remember?

Depends on the results, he will be suffering from thigh until he wins something big.
If he fails, he can always make up his failures with not serious injury picked up 4 months before.

You know.. most of the times when he loses he doesn't actually blame it on an injury, right? Mostly because, oh I don't know.. Rafa isn't injured 100 % of the time and Rafa isn't Superman, so he actually loses from time to time. Rafa is actually very humble, and rarely blames a loss on an injury. I've actually seen pressers after he has played injured where he refused to talk about his injury and congratulated his opponent instead, saying how much he deserved it. That's more than can be said about other players on the tour..

So in other words:

I can't talk about injury because I am bum buddies, I just like to say how he play best match of all time. This make me humble because you already know I am mega injured, no?

If I played Soderling then I tell you my leg about to fall off any second and I retire after the second game, no?

I think the fact that he retired in the past made him try to continue to play this match. Besides, it didn't look like a serious injury, unlike for example a knee injury. You do know the difference, right? Sometimes an injury is actually so bad that you HAVE to retire, other times when an injury is not as bad you can play through it, but it will obviously affect your play. As it did this time.

The loss has nothing to do with the scheduling...

the virus whatever you wanna call it doesn't exist...

RAFA is playing mind trick with the media....he felt so much pressure coming to the tournament...that he played the sick injured card from the get go...so in case he lose..he'd have a good reason from not winning the rafa slam...and if he had win...he'd be the warrior that overcome adversity......how can a guy says he's 100% fit after the cilic match and having 2 days off....and being sick again the next match....

that doesn't make any sense....in the press conference...he doesn't want to talk about the injury....sure....because he made sure to show the whole world during the match that he was injured...

.

You really think he would fake an injury and lose a QF on purpose when he could have easily won over Ferrer (Rafa is in the lead in their H2H), and gotten his Rafa Slam? Yeah, cuz that makes a whole lotta sense:rolleyes:

Maybe he showed the whole world he was injured because, oh I don't know, he actually WAS INJURED?!?!?!:banghead:

Meaningless talking about nadull's performances for the rest of year really,, no one ever gets credit for defeating nadull anyway, with respect to the tour as a whole.
Pretty disappointing really.Analysis of rafa matches is a waste of time ,it always comes with an asteriks.

Of course they don't.. Nadal or his fans never credit people winning over Rafa, right?:rolleyes: I credited Davy when he won over Rafa, because Rafa wasn't injured.. But a victory over an injured player isn't really a victory, now, is it?

Ferrer even said it himself that he wouldn't have won over a healthy Rafa.

Nadal gave Pics the credit so I'm not sure what more he could have done/said to make you happier than you were before ;)

Whoever wins over Rafa becomes the new GOAT on MTF. NID. Doesn't matter if Rafa was injured or not when he beat him. Nah, that they convieniently leave out..

Is it a coincidence that so many people changed their avatar to Ferrer after he won over an injured Rafa? Don't think so!

What injury? I respect Nadal but his injuries are suspicious to me. Djokovic used to be like that but he has improved which is good to see. Listening to Elvis now, lol.

Enough about the fake injured already. He did not fake his injury. With your logic he will be out of the tour, not playing any matches in the upcoming weeks, because he decided to, right? Because of some fake, imagined injury.. yeah, that sounds about right:rolleyes:

Not a hater at all. I respect Nadal. He even said it himself, people are suspicious of his injuries. I criticise even players that I like when they exaggerate their injuries. Murray has been guilty of that in the past. Federer though has never done such a thing. The Djoker has stopped doing it and lets hope that continues.

Of course, Federer is PERFECT! He has NEVER said something like that, right?

Hmm, I seem to remember otherwise, "when I'm healthy I can beat guys like him", is that an excuse or not?

How much time Nadal will need to recover from this new injury?

Until it has run its gamut of "excusing" his "performance" issues.

Yep, again, Nadal making excuses. Faking an injury. NID. The haters are gonna hate.

Even if you dislike Rafa, it is pretty difficult to argue at least some degree of legitimacy in his injury when his family is imploring him to retire after a medical timeout taken in just the third game of a QF Grand Slam match...

Thank you! At least he didn't retire. I think it's weird the haters wouldn't even complement him on that, since they all complained about Rafa retiring before, but then again.. since he didn't retire he must have faked his injury, right? You never can win with the haters, either he is faking an injury, or he gets blamed for retiring. The haters love to hate.

Rafa says: "Javi, I've gotten a torn muscle" "I've gotten a torn muscle for sure"
then he tells his uncle: "Toni, this is the QF of the AO, I won't retire even if I'm dead" (well, he actually says "no me retiro ni cagando" which could be interpreted as "are you kidding me? no way I'm retiring")

And this doesn't get the attention of the haters? Come on people, you guys were complainig before over Rafa retiring, now he obviously didn't.. at least be rational in your hate!

Although he didn't want to talk about the injury in the presser he repeated the same sentiment. He said he hated the fact that he retired against Murray last year. Admirable attitude, though probably not very smart.

At least one guy complement Rafa on not retiring, hell must have frozen over!

oranges
01-28-2011, 07:00 PM
If I had a penny for every excuse, I'd retire on the spot

A_Skywalker
01-28-2011, 07:02 PM
Can we sum up this thread by someone telling me how much Rafa is going to rest?
I cant read 7 pages of stupid comments how he faked injuries.

shiaben
01-28-2011, 07:31 PM
I don't see where Nadal ever made excuses. The guy is injured and its clear as day light. Sure some of his matches he lost because he was out played i.e. Murray vs Nadal USO 08, or the match against Tsonga etc. I guess people here try to put on blindfolds and pretend that Nadal has never played sports seriously before the age of 14. I guess they fail to realize that he's ever played football from youth. And if anyone has common sense they would realize that putting many hours and sweat into sports from a young age does take a toll on knees and the body of some people. Nadal is a human, not a robot, get over it.

Nadull_tard
01-28-2011, 07:59 PM
I don't see where Nadal ever made excuses. The guy is injured and its clear as day light. Sure some of his matches he lost because he was out played i.e. Murray vs Nadal USO 08, or the match against Tsonga etc. I guess people here try to put on blindfolds and pretend that Nadal has never played sports seriously before the age of 14. I guess they fail to realize that he's ever played football from youth. And if anyone has common sense they would realize that putting many hours and sweat into sports from a young age does take a toll on knees and the body of some people. Nadal is a human, not a robot, get over it.

I see than you need a verbal excuse to regard it as a excuse. He doesn't need to say anything, his on court attitude during beatdowns is sufficient.

Roger the Dodger
01-28-2011, 08:00 PM
^^@ Sokk's post: Contending for the ACC early, aren't we?

MarsCapricorn
01-28-2011, 08:49 PM
The last GS Rafa lost being healthy was the USO08 against Murray. But that said he was dead tired from the Olympics...

Certinfy
01-28-2011, 08:50 PM
I don't see where Nadal ever made excuses. The guy is injured and its clear as day light. Sure some of his matches he lost because he was out played i.e. Murray vs Nadal USO 08, or the match against Tsonga etc. I guess people here try to put on blindfolds and pretend that Nadal has never played sports seriously before the age of 14. I guess they fail to realize that he's ever played football from youth. And if anyone has common sense they would realize that putting many hours and sweat into sports from a young age does take a toll on knees and the body of some people. Nadal is a human, not a robot, get over it.Against Murray he was 'tired' :o

tribalfusion
01-28-2011, 10:02 PM
I see than you need a verbal excuse to regard it as a excuse. He doesn't need to say anything, his on court attitude during beatdowns is sufficient.

I see you get your kicks on a tennis forum by attempting to mock a great player and which makes you look like a 5 year-old.

Players get injured, some more often than others and some in less opportune moments than others.

The usual forum morons have problems with this and want to "grade" and "commentate" injuries and how the players they hate deal with them.

Sigh.

Silvester
02-01-2011, 07:58 PM
MADRID, Spain -- Top-ranked Rafael Nadal will need 10 days to recover from a leg muscle injury picked up in his quarter-final loss at the Australian Open.

A statement released Tuesday says a medical scan revealed Nadal tore a muscle in his right leg during last week's straight-sets loss to fellow Spaniard David Ferrer.

The defeat ended Nadal's hopes of holding all four Grand Slam titles at once.

Nadal is recovering on his home island of Mallorca. He is expected to be available for Spain's Davis Cup match against Belgium in March and Masters events at Indian Wells and Miami.

Allez
02-01-2011, 08:12 PM
No Dubai then. Good move.

RagingLamb
02-01-2011, 08:42 PM
MADRID, Spain -- Top-ranked Rafael Nadal will need 10 days to recover from a leg muscle injury picked up in his quarter-final loss at the Australian Open.

A statement released Tuesday says a medical scan revealed Nadal tore a muscle in his right leg during last week's straight-sets loss to fellow Spaniard David Ferrer.

The defeat ended Nadal's hopes of holding all four Grand Slam titles at once.

Nadal is recovering on his home island of Mallorca. He is expected to be available for Spain's Davis Cup match against Belgium in March and Masters events at Indian Wells and Miami.

The doctors erred in failing to consult MTF before evaluating the medical scan.

I remember the days when the medical profession was still respectable. The internet changed all that.

oranges
02-01-2011, 09:10 PM
The doctors erred in failing to consult MTF before evaluating the medical scan.

I remember the days when the medical profession was still respectable. The internet changed all that.

Obviously, the doctors who diagnose and treat most other players are not nearly as expert in PR as they don't advise them to make public excuses when they've played through matches with similar problems. Should really become a part of the Hippocratic oath, who doesn't want to hear more excuses. Screw sportsmanship, it's outdated.

Filo V.
02-01-2011, 09:15 PM
Hopefully he pulls out of the DC rubber.

iriraz
02-01-2011, 09:58 PM
No Dubai then. Good move.
I think regardless of his injury he was never going to play Dubai.
DC is a maybe but even without him Spain can win R1 ties.

tribalfusion
02-01-2011, 10:17 PM
Obviously, the doctors who diagnose and treat most other players are not nearly as expert in PR as they don't advise them to make public excuses when they've played through matches with similar problems. Should really become a part of the Hippocratic oath, who doesn't want to hear more excuses. Screw sportsmanship, it's outdated.

Instead of quitting while you are behind, you dig deeper and continue to make asinine statements regarding things about which you manifestly know nothing.

We should organize an actual MTF tennis tournament and see how all you tough-talkers fare.

oranges
02-01-2011, 10:19 PM
Instead of quitting while you are behind, you dig deeper and continue to make asinine statements regarding things about which you manifestly know nothing.

We should organize an actual MTF tennis tournament and see how all you tough-talkers fare.

:baby: I see you take losses as well as your hero. Commendable.

FormerRafaFan
02-01-2011, 10:20 PM
MADRID, Spain -- Top-ranked Rafael Nadal will need 10 days to recover from a leg muscle injury picked up in his quarter-final loss at the Australian Open.

A statement released Tuesday says a medical scan revealed Nadal tore a muscle in his right leg during last week's straight-sets loss to fellow Spaniard David Ferrer.

The defeat ended Nadal's hopes of holding all four Grand Slam titles at once.

Nadal is recovering on his home island of Mallorca. He is expected to be available for Spain's Davis Cup match against Belgium in March and Masters events at Indian Wells and Miami.

Good news. 10 days isn't bad at all. I remember people on MTF saying he would be out for 4-5 weeks..

Filo V.
02-01-2011, 10:21 PM
It's not un-sportsman to be honest about your physical state.

oranges
02-01-2011, 10:21 PM
Only in Rafatard world.

Arkulari
02-01-2011, 10:23 PM
Rafa shouldn't play DC, we can send the D team and still win in Belgium :shrug:

tribalfusion
02-01-2011, 10:23 PM
Only in Rafatard world.

You never tire of displaying your imbecility.

GhostUnholy
02-01-2011, 10:28 PM
Only in Rafatard world.

I normally agree with your posts, but I don't see the problem with an athlete disclosing information about their injuries to the media. This happens in most pro sports. For instance, I don't know if you ever watch hockey, but last year in the stanley cup finals, everyone was aware that Jeff Carter was playing on a broken foot, and that of course modifies your expectations of the player's performance. I agree that I don't like seeing injuries used as excuses by fans, as injuries are part of the game, but I don't see an inherent problem in an athlete being honest about their health.

Chartreuse
02-01-2011, 10:33 PM
Rafa shouldn't play DC, we can send the D team and still win in Belgium :shrug:

Which makes you wonder why is he even playing that tie?:rolleyes:

oranges
02-01-2011, 10:55 PM
I normally agree with your posts, but I don't see the problem with an athlete disclosing information about their injuries to the media. This happens in most pro sports. For instance, I don't know if you ever watch hockey, but last year in the stanley cup finals, everyone was aware that Jeff Carter was playing on a broken foot, and that of course modifies your expectations of the player's performance. I agree that I don't like seeing injuries used as excuses by fans, as injuries are part of the game, but I don't see an inherent problem in an athlete being honest about their health.

Let me put it this way. Can you imagine what it would look like if every player did the same whenever they had anyhting at all wrong with them? How many matches a season do you think Tsonga plays without some thing or other bothering him? Did you ever see it presented as the main reason for his defeat or an excuse before the match even starts? Unless it's something that will keep him out for a considerable time, it's normally not even mentioned, as it should be. Haas? Same goes for so many players it's really a pointless debate. Sick and tired of the diva attitude. It's difficult to remember the last time his loss was not down to some outside factor. Did he seem ill and struggling with unusual exhaustion to you during the match with Cilic? You think there was reason to whine about his health in advance? If you're fit to play, you're fit to play. End of story for most.

Nole Rules
02-01-2011, 10:58 PM
anybody else sick of nadal's excuses?

hell yes.:o

shiaben
02-01-2011, 11:07 PM
Let me put it this way. Can you imagine what it would look like if every player did the same whenever they had anyhting at all wrong with them? How many matches a season do you think Tsonga plays without some thing or other bothering him? Did you ever see it presented as the main reason for his defeat or an excuse before the match even starts? Unless it's something that will keep him out for a considerable time, it's normally not even mentioned, as it should be. Haas? Same goes for so many players it's really a pointless debate. Sick and tired of the diva attitude. It's difficult to remember the last time his loss was not down to some outside factor. Did he seem ill and struggling with unusual exhaustion to you during the match with Cilic? You think there was reason to whine about his health in advance? If you're fit to play, you're fit to play. End of story for most.

Mate, there is a difference between an excuse and giving credit to someone (even if they know the situation was influenced by an outside factor).

Nadal never made excuses about anything, he's a modest guy.

He gives respect where respect is due.

Ferrer won the match because he was healthy, playing better and given that Nadal wasn't 100% fit, was injured, Ferrer had his chance and took it.

With that said, he never said, "I lost against Ferrer because I was injured". Injuries, sicknesses, and other issues happen all the time.

Instead he refrained from giving an honest answer, and said "Ferrer outplayed me, end of story". Because you don't want to take credit away from the opponent. After all, it's not Ferrer's fault that he was injured/sick/family issues etc. etc. etc. who knows what the reason may be. At the end of the day, injuries, sicknesses, family problems, life disasters, the win is the win.

Have some respect for Nadal, Federer, or anyone else, I don't think any of them make excuses, neither does Djokovic or Murray. Maybe fanboys do for w/e reasons.

In fact I'm not sure who does (important player) make excuses.

FormerRafaFan
02-01-2011, 11:21 PM
hell yes.:o

How is it an excuse? He actually was in fact injured. He would have won over Ferrer for sure if he wasn't. We all know this, even the haters, though they refuse to admit it of course.

Arkulari
02-01-2011, 11:28 PM
Which makes you wonder why is he even playing that tie?:rolleyes:

It's Rafa, you never know what's his next scheduling screw-up :o

RagingLamb
02-01-2011, 11:29 PM
Obviously, the doctors who diagnose and treat most other players are not nearly as expert in PR as they don't advise them to make public excuses when they've played through matches with similar problems. Should really become a part of the Hippocratic oath, who doesn't want to hear more excuses. Screw sportsmanship, it's outdated.

There are two issues; one is whether he was injured or not. The other is how he should have behaved.

Regarding the first issue; many here at MTF claimed that he wasn't injured. I assume they based this on their visual inspection of the nadal from the livestream feed or their TV, rather than any relevant knowledge of the facts, or any relevant experience with sports or sports injuries. But, contrary to the MTF opinions, he clearly was injured during the match. The evidence confirms it.

Regarding the second issue: He had two choices; stop and retire, or continue. The sensible thing, in my opinion, was to stop. But, for reasons that he clearly stated, Nadal chose to continue.

I remember what Sampras said in his book; that a player should either withdraw before a match, or show up and play. But if he decides to play, there should be no excuses. I agree with his sentiment. But, based on what I understood, Sampras was referring to injuries that a player is aware of prior to the match. If Nadal was aware of his injury before the match, chose to play and then used it as an excuse, then I would agree with you.

But in this case, Nadal was injured during the match. It was clear from early on that he was going to lose. Whether you agree with his decision to continue or not, blaming a subpar performance on an injury sustained during the match seems fairly reasonable.

oranges
02-01-2011, 11:38 PM
Mate, there is a difference between an excuse and giving credit to someone (even if they know the situation was influenced by an outside factor).

Nadal never made excuses about anything, he's a modest guy.



Oh please, take off those rose tinted glasses. It's such a clear case of NOT giving credit, it shines like the sun. It's an excuse and his tards pick up on it and keep hammering home until eternity.

I'll ask again, did he seem to you exhausted and troubled in the match with Cilic? Do you remember the dropper he ran down like Usain Bolt from way behind the baseline? That's a performance of someone who needed to talk about being unusually tired from the virus some hours before? Pathetic.

Johnny Groove
02-01-2011, 11:42 PM
Which makes you wonder why is he even playing that tie?:rolleyes:

He doesn't want to go into Indian Wells rusty.

It's Rafa, you never know what's his next scheduling screw-up :o

This is true. It all started with playing Bangkok 2 weeks after USO :rolleyes:

l_mac
02-01-2011, 11:43 PM
Did Rafa lose the match to Cilic? :confused:

careergrandslam
02-01-2011, 11:49 PM
nadal is always injured, he has yet to have a season that he is not injured. what a clown. still has not learnt his lesson. u gotta question his intelligence or lack thereof. 8 years in a row with injuries. pathetic.

tribalfusion
02-01-2011, 11:51 PM
nadal is always injured, he has yet to have a season that he is not injured. what a clown. still has not learnt his lesson. u gotta question his intelligence or lack thereof. 8 years in a row with injuries. pathetic.

How many tournaments have you won to speak in this disrespectful tone?

Pathetic indeed.

oranges
02-01-2011, 11:52 PM
Did Rafa lose the match to Cilic? :confused:

Did he not whine in advance? Was there good reason for it in your opinion? Would it not constitute an excuse automatically if he lost? Thanks.

He has two for the Ferrer match, both the virus and the muscle. What a Spartan, most others would have been carried out on a stretcher with all those debilitating problems.

tribalfusion
02-01-2011, 11:55 PM
Did he not whine in advance?


He didn't whine.


Whining would be more like what you do consistently on this board whenever Nadal comes up

careergrandslam
02-01-2011, 11:55 PM
anybody else sick of nadal's excuses?

once or twice is ok, but every loss as an excuse is getting shameful.

so yes, im getting sick of his excuses.

put up or shut up.

careergrandslam
02-02-2011, 12:01 AM
How many tournaments have you won to speak in this disrespectful tone?

Pathetic indeed.

i dont think im being disrespectful, nadal is being disrespectful to his fans by having a disgusting playing schedule every year.

tribalfusion
02-02-2011, 12:02 AM
i dont think im being disrespectful, nadal is being disrespectful to his fans by having a disgusting playing schedule every year.

Are you pretending to be a fan of Nadal in order to slander him?

Your tone is clearly disrespectful and the content is arguable at best.

l_mac
02-02-2011, 12:03 AM
Did he not whine in advance? Was there good reason for it in your opinion? Would it not constitute an excuse automatically if he lost? Thanks.

He has two for the Ferrer match, both the virus and the muscle. What a Spartan, most others would have been carried out on a stretcher with all those debilitating problems.

Had he not been asked constantly about the excessive sweating he'd been suffering since Doha? Did he not say after the Cilic match that he was feeling much better, and did he not sweat visibly less during that match? During the Ferrer match, did he look like a man who was expecting to lose that QF (having gone to the trouble of setting up an excuse 3 weeks beforehand :worship:)? Did he at any time blame his loss on the obvious injury that he picked up in the 2nd game? No? Thanks.

careergrandslam
02-02-2011, 12:12 AM
Are you pretending to be a fan of Nadal in order to slander him?

Your tone is clearly disrespectful and the content is arguable at best.

how do u know what my tone is?

im a big nadal fan, but im tired of his excuses.

oranges
02-02-2011, 12:14 AM
Had he not been asked constantly about the excessive sweating he'd been suffering since Doha? Did he not say after the Cilic match that he was feeling much better, and did he not sweat visibly less during that match? During the Ferrer match, did he look like a man who was expecting to lose that QF (having gone to the trouble of setting up an excuse 3 weeks beforehand :worship:)? Did he at any time blame his loss on the obvious injury that he picked up in the 2nd game? No? Thanks.

Oh, I have no doubt he felt much better as soon as he won the match, but when they asked him just as he was coming on court, he was still very sick :hug: Poor Rafito, no one plays through such problems with such dignity. I'm in awe.

careergrandslam
02-02-2011, 12:22 AM
i'll post this again:


well lets go through the list starting from 2007:

AO 2007: injured famous ass and tired after beating murray in 5 sets the previous round, lost to gonzalez.
Wimb 2007: knee injury came in the 4th set and in the 5th he was injured, lost to federer.
USO 2007: tendonitis injury, lost to ferrer.

AO 2008: lost fair and square, lost to tsonga.
USO 2008: tired after olympics and no rest period, lost to murray.

FO 2009: knee injury destroyed him physically and mentally destroyed due to parents separation, lost to soderling.
Wimb 2009: withdrew due to knee injury.
USO 2009: abdominal injury, lost to del potro.

AO 2010: knee injury flares up again, lost to murray.

AO 2011: hamstring injury, flu after effects, losing energy and losing weight, lost to ferrer.



come on rafa, u are better than this, its becoming pretty shameful, how can any rafa fan honestly defend this?
i have to constantly defend him against my friends who make fun of how rafa only loses because he has a problem. u run out of things to defend him with. what the hell do i say? he has this injury this time, he is sick this time, he is tired this time, etc. after a while it becomes laughable and im the one who looks like an idiot defending him.

he needs to shut up about these problems and just get on with it.

fast_clay
02-02-2011, 12:39 AM
wow... i really enjoyed reading this thread...

then again... i really enjoy picking the peanuts out of my shit...

Shade
02-02-2011, 01:03 AM
nadal is always injured, he has yet to have a season that he is not injured. what a clown. still has not learnt his lesson. u gotta question his intelligence or lack thereof. 8 years in a row with injuries. pathetic.

If he wanted to go a year without an injury he'd have to change his entire playing style, and then you might not be as much of a fan of his anymore.

And his schedule this year isn't bad at all. I think he's playing just as many tournaments as Fed.

Mimi
02-02-2011, 01:41 AM
Are you pretending to be a fan of Nadal in order to slander him?

Your tone is clearly disrespectful and the content is arguable at best.

you took careergrandslam wrong, he loved rafa, was just frustrated and sad that he never has a season without injuries. Its just like a mother who scolded his son when he did the slightest wrong thing, she is strict about him coz shel loved him :wavey:

Mimi
02-02-2011, 01:46 AM
He didn't whine.


Whining would be more like what you do consistently on this board whenever Nadal comes up

no he didn't whine nor did he complain that the injuries caused him the match. What do you suppose him to say if the journalists asked him whether he is injured? Always said no even if he is really injured? :confused: If so, would people still critiise him for not being honest? :rolleyes:

rafaholic
02-02-2011, 02:09 AM
carrergs is not real nadal fan, he doesnt have faith in his "idol"...real fans are always by their idols...

Mimi
02-02-2011, 02:16 AM
carrergs is not real nadal fan, he doesnt have faith in his "idol"...real fans are always by their idols...

he is doing anti-jinxing :p

Chartreuse
02-02-2011, 02:20 AM
Nadal is almost 25 and he still has not learned how to schedule properly. He thinks he is stll 18-19 and can play non stop.

He doesn't want to go into Indian Wells rusty.

Yeah, nothing better than playing BO5 on indoors HC after coming back from a hamstring injury just a few weeks before.:smash:

Clay Death
02-02-2011, 02:23 AM
he has thrown away close to 3 slams because of his greed.

some of the events offer massive prize money and he cant say no.

djokovic did and walked off with a slam.

Mimi
02-02-2011, 02:32 AM
yeah, greedy for monies. Posing in undies instead of resting and training:rolleyes::eek:

Clay Death
02-02-2011, 02:35 AM
he doesnt listen to his team. the offers come in all hours of the day and night.

his endorsement income is now close to $30 million a year and still he cant walk away from all that appearance money.

like i said before, djokovic said no to abu dhabi and doha. and he didnt bother playing other exos either.

clay warrior just cant say no. its just that simple.


those 2 exos with fed could have been played in late february this year.

he played way too much tennis after the u.s. open and and he just kept on playing it cost him.

Mimi
02-02-2011, 02:38 AM
Nadal is almost 25 and he still has not learned how to schedule properly. He thinks he is stll 18-19 and can play non stop.



Yeah, nothing better than playing BO5 on indoors HC after coming back from a hamstring injury just a few weeks before.:smash:
25, so soon. I still remember him as a 18 years, jumping up as high and fast as a rabbit, just liked yesterday :tears::sobbing:

Mr. Oracle
02-02-2011, 03:30 AM
Nadull is always injured until he wins again. Maybe his fragile ego was injured when he lost and it affected his body :lol:

He lost in the opening games? Magician take a nap !!

Filo V.
02-02-2011, 03:57 AM
Why do people think being honest about Nadal's physical state, is taking away from the opponent? It just means the opponent took advantage of the situation and a lesser Nadal. Which is still a great accomplishment. It doesn't make Soderling, Ferrer or Murray among others lesser players or their results any less of value, unless you make it that way.

careergrandslam
02-02-2011, 04:48 AM
carrergs is not real nadal fan, he doesnt have faith in his "idol"...real fans are always by their idols...

ur not a real nadal fan, u put the jinx on him, u and nadal_slam_king. saying he will win 6 slams in a row and that he wont lose a set at the AO and he wont lose serve more than 5 times during the AO. ur the one who needs to stop the jinxing.

paseo
02-02-2011, 04:54 AM
he doesnt listen to his team. the offers come in all hours of the day and night.

his endorsement income is now close to $30 million a year and still he cant walk away from all that appearance money.

like i said before, djokovic said no to abu dhabi and doha. and he didnt bother playing other exos either.

clay warrior just cant say no. its just that simple.


those 2 exos with fed could have been played in late february this year.

he played way too much tennis after the u.s. open and and he just kept on playing it cost him.

Maybe he plans to retire early. More money is always nice :D

careergrandslam
02-02-2011, 05:15 AM
25, so soon. I still remember him as a 18 years, jumping up as high and fast as a rabbit, just liked yesterday :tears::sobbing:

i still remember him as an 18 year old at the 2005 french open, he was a just a teenager and he was already the favourite for that tournament ahead of former grand slam champions like federer, ferrero, gaudio, coria, safin. he was the talk of the town. and his speed was way faster than it is now, the stunning passing shots, since he couldnt speak english at all back then he was an enigma, the mystery man. no one knew how to beat this kid, all the rules of tennis over past 100 years didnt work against rafa. the long hair, capri pants, sleeveless shirts, he upset the the status quo of world tennis. people were asking who the hell is this guy? and how can he be this good at such a young age. i think we all fell in love with rafa in that tournament, he went in as favourite and he won the title beating federer along the way in the semis.

been a long time since then huh. i want the old sleeveless shirt rafa back.

the amazing memories:tears::sobbing:

Mimi
02-02-2011, 06:21 AM
i still remember him as an 18 year old at the 2005 french open, he was a just a teenager and he was already the favourite for that tournament ahead of former grand slam champions like federer, ferrero, gaudio, coria, safin. he was the talk of the town. and his speed was way faster than it is now, the stunning passing shots, since he couldnt speak english at all back then he was an enigma, the mystery man. no one knew how to beat this kid, all the rules of tennis over past 100 years didnt work against rafa. the long hair, capri pants, sleeveless shirts, he upset the the status quo of world tennis. people were asking who the hell is this guy? and how can he be this good at such a young age. i think we all fell in love with rafa in that tournament, he went in as favourite and he won the title beating federer along the way in the semis.

been a long time since then huh. i want the old sleeveless shirt rafa back.

the amazing memories:tears::sobbing:

:sobbing::tears: beautiful memories, they are forever in our brains and hearts:inlove: I fell in love with him when he played Monte Carlo 2005 against Gasquet, a kid who jumped as high as a kangaroo, full of energy:music::rocker2:

i have to leave, our office gives us half day leave for the day before Chinese New Year, see you:hug::smooch:

Pirata.
02-02-2011, 08:58 AM
Which makes you wonder why is he even playing that tie?:rolleyes:

Probably felt bad for blowing off his teammates after their loss in France to go support the football team instead :o

Langers
02-02-2011, 09:08 AM
i still remember him as an 18 year old at the 2005 french open, he was a just a teenager and he was already the favourite for that tournament ahead of former grand slam champions like federer, ferrero, gaudio, coria, safin. he was the talk of the town. and his speed was way faster than it is now, the stunning passing shots, since he couldnt speak english at all back then he was an enigma, the mystery man. no one knew how to beat this kid, all the rules of tennis over past 100 years didnt work against rafa. the long hair, capri pants, sleeveless shirts, he upset the the status quo of world tennis. people were asking who the hell is this guy? and how can he be this good at such a young age. i think we all fell in love with rafa in that tournament, he went in as favourite and he won the title beating federer along the way in the semis.

been a long time since then huh. i want the old sleeveless shirt rafa back.

the amazing memories:tears::sobbing:
I'd good rep you again if I could. :)

nalbyfan
02-02-2011, 01:20 PM
l'Equipe says he'll play DC tie in Belgium

BULLZ1LLA
02-02-2011, 05:19 PM
Good news. 10 days isn't bad at all. I remember people on MTF saying he would be out for 4-5 weeks..
Federer ppl should know 10 days :
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/2004-10-26-federer-injury_x.htm
BASEL, Switzerland (AP) — Top-ranked Roger Federer withdrew from the Swiss Indoors tournament after hurting his left thigh while warming up Tuesday. The injury cast doubt over whether he'll play in the season-ending Tennis Masters Cup.

Top-ranked Roger Federer withdrew from the Swiss Indoors tournament after hurting his left thigh while warming up Tuesday. The injury cast doubt over whether he'll play in the season-ending Tennis Masters Cup.

The initial diagnosis was a torn muscle, tournament spokesman Juerg Vogel said.

Lucky loser Bohdan Ulihrach took Federer's place in the draw and was to face Luis Horna of Peru in the first round later Tuesday.

As a kid, Federer was a ball boy at this tournament, which he's never won.

"This is a huge disappointment for me, clearly," said Federer, the first man since 1988 to win three Grand Slam titles in a season. "But all I can do is wait again until next year."

He'll need to rest at least 10 to 14 days, according to tournament doctor Felix Marti. The Masters Series — Paris starts Monday and the Tennis Masters Cup starts Nov. 15 in Houston.

"This means Paris is in danger also. And I hope I can play in Houston. But I don't know. I know it will be very tight, very difficult, and I don't want to take too much risk," Federer said.

"I'll do everything I can to be ready for Houston. I'll probably fly there, and if I feel ready I will play, but if not, then I'd have to pull out."

Federer had already been feeling pain in his left thigh Monday and had an MRI test after the pain worsened during a practice session Tuesday morning.

He thinks his heavy schedule this season probably caused the problem.

"There were a lot of matches where I felt tired but was lucky not to get injured," Federer said. "Unfortunately, I finally was injured and it happened here. This is a big blow for me."

He clinched a spot in the eight-man field in Houston in August, the earliest anyone had secured a berth in the event. The Swiss star also is guaranteed to finish the year ranked No. 1.

"It's a shock for us, clearly," tournament director Roger Brennwald said. "But that's the way it goes. I only hope he gets better."

shiaben
02-03-2011, 09:32 PM
Losses outside of injury:

2010 year: Andy Murray, Australian Open 2010, he would have lost that match regardless of the injury, given he was out played in the first two sets.

2009 year: Soderling, French Open 2009, lost fair and square here I believe, Soderling killed the rising balls much like Tsonga did the year before. (No major injuries here that would prevent Nadal from winning the match).

2008 year: Tsonga, Australian Open 2008, came with a solid game plan and it worked, Nadal was left speechless. Andy Murray, U.S. Open 2008, Murray was aggressive from start to finish, implemented nice drop shot/passing shot combination in some of those rallies.

2007 year: Gonzalez, Australian Open 2007, Gonzalez dominated the match. Federer, Wimbledon 2007, good 5 setter. 2007 U.S. Open, lost the match to Ferrer (no major injuries that would have prevented Nadal from defeating Ferrer).

I think I covered all the fair matches where he didn't have any severe injuries and lost fair and square.


Losses because of major injuries:

2011 Australian Open, Ferrer. Nadal wasn't moving for any of the average shots. He kept standing there and giving Ferrer those easy winners. He definitely had some kind of leg injury. If Nadal was fit, Nadal would have to have lost in 5 sets, not 3. The more likely event would have been a 3-4 set win for Nadal.

2009 U.S. Open, Del Potro. Perhaps Del Potro would have won the match in 4-5 sets had Nadal not have been injured. He did defeat him at the masters. But in this particular match, Nadal was definitely injured. Couldn't move at all, not like him at all.

PiggyGotRoasted
02-03-2011, 10:37 PM
Losses outside of injury:

2010 year: Andy Murray, Australian Open 2010, he would have lost that match regardless of the injury, given he was out played in the first two sets.

2009 year: Soderling, French Open 2009, lost fair and square here I believe, Soderling killed the rising balls much like Tsonga did the year before. (No major injuries here that would prevent Nadal from winning the match).

2008 year: Tsonga, Australian Open 2008, came with a solid game plan and it worked, Nadal was left speechless. Andy Murray, U.S. Open 2008, Murray was aggressive from start to finish, implemented nice drop shot/passing shot combination in some of those rallies.

2007 year: Gonzalez, Australian Open 2007, Gonzalez dominated the match. Federer, Wimbledon 2007, good 5 setter. 2007 U.S. Open, lost the match to Ferrer (no major injuries that would have prevented Nadal from defeating Ferrer).

I think I covered all the fair matches where he didn't have any severe injuries and lost fair and square.


Losses because of major injuries:

2011 Australian Open, Ferrer. Nadal wasn't moving for any of the average shots. He kept standing there and giving Ferrer those easy winners. He definitely had some kind of leg injury. If Nadal was fit, Nadal would have to have lost in 5 sets, not 3. The more likely event would have been a 3-4 set win for Nadal.

2009 U.S. Open, Del Potro. Perhaps Del Potro would have won the match in 4-5 sets had Nadal not have been injured. He did defeat him at the masters. But in this particular match, Nadal was definitely injured. Couldn't move at all, not like him at all.
So nadal has only ever lost 4 matches not due to him being injured? and than davydenko beating him 6 times, and losing 4 is that he was just lucky every single time they played nadal was injured? nothing to do with the fact that its a bad much up and same with other players as well which have ever beat nadal.

Typical mtf bullshit :wavey::angel:

Arkulari
02-03-2011, 11:29 PM
l'Equipe says he'll play DC tie in Belgium

you gotta be kidding me... :banghead:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2011/20110201_202606_nadal-au-repos-dix-jours.html

Nadal, battu la semaine dernière en quarts de finale de l'Open d'Australie, pourrait donc s'aligner lors du premier tour de la Coupe Davis avec l'équipe d'Espagne face à la Belgique, du 4 au 6 mars à Charleroi.

Hopefully it won't come down to that, we can send a lot of other people to play in Belgium

BULLZ1LLA
02-04-2011, 01:37 AM
So nadal has only ever lost 4 matches not due to him being injured? and than davydenko beating him 6 times, and losing 4 is that he was just lucky every single time they played nadal was injured? nothing to do with the fact that its a bad much up and same with other players as well which have ever beat nadal.

Typical mtf bullshit :wavey::angel:

Do you think davydenko would beat Rafa in a slam?

swebright
02-04-2011, 01:40 AM
Why coming back so quick? They can beat Belgium without him playing for Davis Cup. How many seeded players from Spain in top 40?

Rest as much as you can.

PiggyGotRoasted
02-04-2011, 02:11 AM
Do you think davydenko would beat Rafa in a slam?

Of course, it depends obviously on the day.

Do you think nadal would beat davydenko in a slam?

Do you think its true nadal has never lost a match legitametly?

SaFed2005
02-04-2011, 03:51 AM
Of course, it depends obviously on the day.

Do you think nadal would beat davydenko in a slam?

Do you think its true nadal has never lost a match legitametly?

Dude don't know you Nadal never ever loses to anyone fair and square. :cool:

cutesteve22
02-04-2011, 07:11 AM
Nadull is always injured until he wins again. Maybe his fragile ego was injured when he lost and it affected his body :lol:agreed

Castafiore
02-04-2011, 07:30 AM
Why coming back so quick? They can beat Belgium without him playing for Davis Cup. How many seeded players from Spain in top 40?

Rest as much as you can.
Doesn't he have to play in his Davis Cup team in 2011 in order to be able to play in the Olympics 2012? In that case, playing against Belgium might be the easiest way to go about it.
Although, I do think that "making yourself available" qualifies as well.

careergrandslam
02-04-2011, 07:47 AM
you gotta be kidding me... :banghead:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/breves2011/20110201_202606_nadal-au-repos-dix-jours.html



Hopefully it won't come down to that, we can send a lot of other people to play in Belgium

spain is a useless team without nadal.
verdasco fluked one time, thats about it.

without nadal, the team is nothing.

nadal is a one man wrecking machine, he puts the psychological fear factor into the opposition, it makes life easier for nadal's team mates.

Surcouf
02-04-2011, 08:52 AM
i'll post this again:


well lets go through the list starting from 2007:

AO 2007: injured famous ass and tired after beating murray in 5 sets the previous round, lost to gonzalez.
Wimb 2007: knee injury came in the 4th set and in the 5th he was injured, lost to federer.
USO 2007: tendonitis injury, lost to ferrer.

AO 2008: lost fair and square, lost to tsonga.
USO 2008: tired after olympics and no rest period, lost to murray.

FO 2009: knee injury destroyed him physically and mentally destroyed due to parents separation, lost to soderling.
Wimb 2009: withdrew due to knee injury.
USO 2009: abdominal injury, lost to del potro.

AO 2010: knee injury flares up again, lost to murray.

AO 2011: hamstring injury, flu after effects, losing energy and losing weight, lost to ferrer.



come on rafa, u are better than this, its becoming pretty shameful, how can any rafa fan honestly defend this?
i have to constantly defend him against my friends who make fun of how rafa only loses because he has a problem. u run out of things to defend him with. what the hell do i say? he has this injury this time, he is sick this time, he is tired this time, etc. after a while it becomes laughable and im the one who looks like an idiot defending him.

he needs to shut up about these problems and just get on with it.


You really sound like a tool.

But who care about YOu or your stupid friends? Who care about the haters?

You think that Nadal will lie about his physical condition because a bunch of internet losers want to enjoy his defeat and don't want to accept the fact that when he is not injured he is very hard to beat?

STFU and go away. You are ridiculous.

Topspindoctor
02-04-2011, 09:38 AM
Of course, it depends obviously on the day.

Do you think nadal would beat davydenko in a slam?

Do you think its true nadal has never lost a match legitametly?

Davydenko is a mug in slams, Nadal would roll him on any surface :bigwave:

Vida
02-04-2011, 10:02 AM
as long as it isnt the knees, he will be fine. these things happen all the time.

BULLZ1LLA
02-04-2011, 10:53 AM
Worked out good that he got hamstrung so now hungrier for clay than usual.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
02-04-2011, 10:58 AM
guys, give rafa a break

and also remember

though scheduling isn't great for him, its the fact its a hard court that hurts him

nadal could play 50 matches on clay

or 20 matches on a hard court

chances are he'd get hurt in the 20 matches on a hard court

its just not very good for the knees

BULLZ1LLA
02-05-2011, 04:11 AM
guys, give rafa a break

and also remember

though scheduling isn't great for him, its the fact its a hard court that hurts him

nadal could play 50 matches on clay

or 20 matches on a hard court

chances are he'd get hurt in the 20 matches on a hard court

its just not very good for the knees

Knees are all in the past.

The hamstring problem probably not from hardcourt but just from flu making body weaker.

FormerRafaFan
02-05-2011, 02:35 PM
Losses outside of injury:

2010 year: Andy Murray, Australian Open 2010, he would have lost that match regardless of the injury, given he was out played in the first two sets.

2009 year: Soderling, French Open 2009, lost fair and square here I believe, Soderling killed the rising balls much like Tsonga did the year before. (No major injuries here that would prevent Nadal from winning the match).

2008 year: Tsonga, Australian Open 2008, came with a solid game plan and it worked, Nadal was left speechless. Andy Murray, U.S. Open 2008, Murray was aggressive from start to finish, implemented nice drop shot/passing shot combination in some of those rallies.

2007 year: Gonzalez, Australian Open 2007, Gonzalez dominated the match. Federer, Wimbledon 2007, good 5 setter. 2007 U.S. Open, lost the match to Ferrer (no major injuries that would have prevented Nadal from defeating Ferrer).

I think I covered all the fair matches where he didn't have any severe injuries and lost fair and square.


Losses because of major injuries:

2011 Australian Open, Ferrer. Nadal wasn't moving for any of the average shots. He kept standing there and giving Ferrer those easy winners. He definitely had some kind of leg injury. If Nadal was fit, Nadal would have to have lost in 5 sets, not 3. The more likely event would have been a 3-4 set win for Nadal.

2009 U.S. Open, Del Potro. Perhaps Del Potro would have won the match in 4-5 sets had Nadal not have been injured. He did defeat him at the masters. But in this particular match, Nadal was definitely injured. Couldn't move at all, not like him at all.

Wrong.

He was injured against Soderling, and Nadal would have won over Ferrer. He was fully in the match, and probably would have won if he didn't get injured.

But I should know you are just hating.. Haters love to hate.