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AO'11 (2nd round): Comparing statistics for the Top 5

Nole fan
01-18-2011, 05:00 PM
Let's compare the Top 5 players performances at the AO'11 by match statistics. Who is in better form?

Most notable fact so far: Nole's average serve speed has increased considerably since last season and it surpasses the other tops. Could this mean an advantage for him against the other top players? At least it indicates that his old solid serve is fully back and it makes him now far more dangerous. :yeah:

Otherwise the stats are very similar for all players, except Soderling who had 58 winners and only 18 UE. :eek:

FIRST ROUND STATISTICS

Nadal: 25 W / 10 UE / 54% 1st serve in / 84% winning 1st serve / 56% winning 2nd serve / 4 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 185 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 145 kmh
Federer: 37 W / 18 UE / 64% 1st serve in / 87% winning 1st serve / 67% winning 2nd serve / 8 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 183 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 151 kmh
Nole: 34 W / 17 UE / 67% 1st serve in / 75% winning 1st serve / 68% winning 2nd serve / 7 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 194 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 155 kmh
Sod: 58 W / 18 UE / 58% 1st serve in / 87% winning 1st serve / 64% winning 2nd serve / 11 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 190 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 150 kmh
Muzza: 25 W / 17 UE / 58% 1st serve in / 87% winning 1st serve / 50% winning 2nd serve / 2 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 186 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 141 kmh

Johnny Groove
01-18-2011, 05:01 PM
Nina, love, you must be bored :p

Nole fan
01-18-2011, 05:02 PM
Nina, love, you must be bored :p

I'm at work. :lol:

Sophocles
01-18-2011, 05:06 PM
Well we've got only 1 match to go on, but it does look as though Djokovic is getting his serve back. Federer's trading pace off against accuracy, Nadal is doing the opposite (54% in is very low for him), Muzza's 2nd serve is still shite, Sod is solid as usual. Oh & Nadull managed 25 winners against an opponent who couldn't move - riveting stuff.

And I'm at work too.

barbadosan
01-18-2011, 05:11 PM
lol @ (not unkindly) Nole and Sophocles :)

Haelfix
01-18-2011, 05:12 PM
Federer is trading dtl shots for out wide serves (those new out widers are really deadly and have to be worrying for the rest of the players). Rafa I think is going for big serves rather than his usual spinners, which im not sure is such a great idea long term. Murray is having problems serving. However Nole's serve looks great

Johnny Groove
01-18-2011, 05:13 PM
I was watching ESPN last night during the Nadal-Daniel practice session, and the commentators were remarking about Nadal's serve in 2010.

2010 was Nadal's lowest % of first serve year, but he had the most aces, most unreturned serves, highest 1st serve % points won, highest avg. 1st serve speed, and most break points saved. Nadal appears to be trading off consistency for power and has (in my opinion) improved the 2nd serve as well. I think he is trying to end points quicker and save his body instead of playing as he did a few years ago, serving at 75% 1st serves and battling for 10-15 shots per rally.

Only time will tell if this is a good idea or not.

dombrfc
01-18-2011, 05:13 PM
Muzza 2nd serve = shite.

Nadull_tard
01-18-2011, 05:22 PM
Obviously Nadal's stats are most impressive. He destroyed a handicapped 32-old man with no idea about tennis on HC.

The Humble Champ.

Benget
01-18-2011, 05:25 PM
Great post I love it. Very interesting stuff.

PS. What's wrong with the serve o meter in melbourne lol. Those numbers are just way too low. I saw Söderling sending a rocket down the middle and... 116 kph :rolleyes:. I'm surprised whoever calibrates that thing has not got the message through already or did he not watch a single match ever in his whole life :D

zlaja777
01-18-2011, 05:33 PM
Cool stats, you should update this thread round by round. Top 5 looking strong.

philosophicalarf
01-18-2011, 05:34 PM
The winner/ue stats on some of the courts are just utter drivel, even more so than normal at slams - at one point I saw Dolgo with 20w 1ue, and apparently Kubot finished with something like 75:25 (and I saw the match, there were lots of errors).

Foxy
01-18-2011, 05:35 PM
Good stuff. Keep it up!

Sapeod
01-18-2011, 05:37 PM
LOL @ 141kph 2nd serves :lol:

Can't really tell what form Nadull's in because his opponent could barely move.
Soderling and Federer are in amazing form.
Murray and Djokovic are pretty good too.

As usual, the top 5 are the best so far.

shiaben
01-18-2011, 05:38 PM
If there is some level of consistency, we might be able to see the top 4 face other.

Nadal vs Murray
Djokovic vs Federer


Might be the first time in the open era history for the top 4 to face each other at a slam I believe?? (If they are consistent).

Would even be stranger if the #1 and #2 were to advance and play in the finals, with the #1 coming out on top.

I think regardless of whichever of these 4 were to face each other in the final, it will turn out to be a good final. I'm sure Murray won't choke like last year, and will at the least take off a set against whomever he faces (I hope).

As for Soderling, I think if he were to make it to a final, he'll probably choke it away. He doesn't seem like the type to be able to defeat 2 top tier players back to back yet. We'll see.

BlueSwan
01-18-2011, 05:42 PM
The winner/ue stats on some of the courts are just utter drivel, even more so than normal at slams - at one point I saw Dolgo with 20w 1ue, and apparently Kubot finished with something like 75:25 (and I saw the match, there were lots of errors).
Indeed! I didn't watch the Soderling match but 58 winners and only 18 UE's with his big risky game doesn't look right.

Jaz
01-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Murray looks weak using these statistics.

Djokovic perhaps regaining form?

GSMnadal
01-18-2011, 06:01 PM
If there is some level of consistency, we might be able to see the top 4 face other.

Nadal vs Murray
Djokovic vs Federer


Might be the first time in the open era history for the top 4 to face each other at a slam I believe?? (If they are consistent).

Would even be stranger if the #1 and #2 were to advance and play in the finals, with the #1 coming out on top.

I think regardless of whichever of these 4 were to face each other in the final, it will turn out to be a good final. I'm sure Murray won't choke like last year, and will at the least take off a set against whomever he faces (I hope).

As for Soderling, I think if he were to make it to a final, he'll probably choke it away. He doesn't seem like the type to be able to defeat 2 top tier players back to back yet. We'll see.

Soderling is #4, not Murray

Sapeod
01-18-2011, 06:07 PM
Soderling is #4, not Murray
I think you know what he means.

The top 4, meaning the Big 4: Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray.

kobulingam
01-18-2011, 06:10 PM
Murray will hit the first serve harder than Djok against another top player (QF Soderling).
Soderling will do the same.

Federer can vary his serve a lot. Sometimes he hits it harder against people like Djokovic.

GSMnadal
01-18-2011, 06:12 PM
I think you know what he means.

The top 4, meaning the Big 4: Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray.

Well, he makes a claim that the top 4 seeds have never met eachother in the semis, so I'm pretty sure he thought Murray was #4?

Roddickominator
01-18-2011, 06:17 PM
Pretty sure Roddick has all of those guys beat in most, if not all, of those serve categories. You should add him to the list.

henke007
01-18-2011, 06:34 PM
Pretty sure Roddick has all of those guys beat in most, if not all, of those serve categories. You should add him to the list.

:o:haha:

vn01
01-18-2011, 06:37 PM
Good thread, Nina! :)

I am not surprised at the statistics. And I am happy that Nole has served in almost 70% so far. :worship:

Orka_n
01-18-2011, 06:40 PM
Pretty sure Roddick has all of those guys beat in most, if not all, of those serve categories. You should add him to the list.:lol:

Also, interesting thread. :yeah:

Nole fan
01-18-2011, 06:46 PM
Cool stats, you should update this thread round by round. Top 5 looking strong.

I'm going to. That's the intention of this thread. :cool:

Nole fan
01-18-2011, 07:44 PM
But the most interesting stat so far...

Wearing that $500K watch, Rafael Nadal is 22-0 in Grand Slam matches…

:lol:

Nole fan
01-18-2011, 07:50 PM
More random stats...

Rafael Nadal’s last two Australian Open matches have ended with a knee retirement...

Roger Federer has won 11 straight matches…

Until today Ana Ivanovic has never lost in the first round at the Australian Open…

Until today Dinara Safina had never been double bageled…

Already five men (Tsonga, Seppi, Fish, Kohlschreiber, Monfils) have come back from two sets down…

Marcos Daniel picked up AUS $20K for playing injured against Rafa…

Juan Martin Del Potro won his first best-of-five match in almost a year…

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2011-01-18/6053.php

henke007
01-18-2011, 07:54 PM
Nole with a higher first serve average speed then Sod that can only mean that Robin didn't do more then he needed with that weapon.

Modetopia
01-18-2011, 08:04 PM
If there is some level of consistency, we might be able to see the top 4 face other.

Nadal vs Murray
Djokovic vs Federer


Might be the first time in the open era history for the top 4 to face each other at a slam I believe?? (If they are consistent).

2006 RG
1 Roger Federer
3 David Nalbandian

4 Ivan Ljubičić
2 Rafael Nadal

MalwareDie
01-18-2011, 08:12 PM
The winner/ue stats on some of the courts are just utter drivel, even more so than normal at slams - at one point I saw Dolgo with 20w 1ue, and apparently Kubot finished with something like 75:25 (and I saw the match, there were lots of errors).


QFT. Embarrassing stuff.

philosophicalarf
01-18-2011, 08:53 PM
Marcos Daniel picked up AUS $20K for playing injured against Rafa…


Ditto Leo Mayer. Was absolutely crushed by Schwank.

Happens a lot in slam R1s unfortunately. Not fit, no chance of winning, you don't need to even bother training. Just turn up, lose, get $20k, leave.

Commander Data
01-18-2011, 08:59 PM
Nina you are on fire lately.

Nole fan
01-20-2011, 11:39 AM
SECOND ROUND STATISTICS

Djokovic and Federer were tested by their opponents in second round and struggled with their games making a lot of UEs, they have almost the same amount of winners and UEs. Soderling, Murray and Nadal cruised in the second round.

Nadal: 36 W / 25 UE / 63% 1st serve in / 83% winning 1st serve / 54% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 94% / 7 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 191 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 145 kmh

Federer: 51 W / 53 UE / 61% 1st serve in / 79% winning 1st serve / 43% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 72% / 11 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 188 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 153 kmh

Nole: 49 W / 50 UE / 65% 1st serve in / 75% winning 1st serve / 64% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 56% / 9 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 189 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 154 kmh

Sod: 30 W / 15 UE / 58% 1st serve in / 93% winning 1st serve / 67% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 77% / 6 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 187 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 158 kmh

Muzza: 31 W / 15 UE / 63% 1st serve in / 79% winning 1st serve / 43% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 75% / 16 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 188 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 145 kmh

solowyn
01-20-2011, 12:05 PM
Muzz with 2 aces in round 1 and then 16 in round 2?! Nice.

ApproachShot
01-20-2011, 02:00 PM
Rafa with the fastest average first serve speed and Soders with the slowest average first serve speed. Very interesting.

Nole fan
01-20-2011, 02:12 PM
Muzza and Federer had by far the lowest % winning 2nd serve.

hicdick
01-20-2011, 02:58 PM
Rafa with the fastest average first serve speed and Soders with the slowest average first serve speed. Very interesting.

i've only seen soderling play in abu dhabi this year, he used much more slice serve than before.

finishingmove
01-20-2011, 03:09 PM
nadal looks good on paper and even more impressive on court

has to be the main favourite

luie
01-20-2011, 03:20 PM
Muzza and Federer had by far the lowest % winning 2nd serve.
Fed played a good returner in simon.
Murray has always had a poor second serve but what is promising for him is that his 1st serve percentage is above 60% if he can maintain that he will be extremely difficult to beat because he is good returner.

Seingeist
01-20-2011, 08:03 PM
Nole must have improved quite a bit in the latter sets against Dodig, because his W:UE ratio in the first sets was definitely not as favorable as 1:1, and his 1st serve % was not that high, either.

Sod! :worship: 2:1 W:UE. He's marching on.

Jaz
01-20-2011, 08:27 PM
W:UE for Nole and Federer clearly not good enough.

Murray Federer Nadal 2nd Serve also seem weak to me.

Nole fan
01-24-2011, 10:36 PM
THIRD ROUND STATISTICS

Nadal (3 sets vs Tomic): 32 W / 32 UE / 58% 1st serve in / 68% winning 1st serve / 54% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 68% / 4 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 182 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 141 kmh

Federer (3 sets vs Malisse): 36 W / 36 UE / 64% 1st serve in / 66% winning 1st serve / 57% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 68% / 6 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 179 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 153 kmh

Nole (1 set vs Troicki ret.): 11 W / 8 UE / 77% 1st serve in / 59% winning 1st serve / 80% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 60% / 1 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 195 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 159 kmh

Sod (3 sets vs Hernych): 33 W / 32 UE / 60% 1st serve in / 84% winning 1st serve / 53% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 81% / 10 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 190 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 158 kmh

Muzza (3 sets vs GGL): 24 W / 18 UE / 64% 1st serve in / 78% winning 1st serve / 57% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 73% / 10 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 189 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 150 kmh

Berdych (3 sets vs Gasquet): 39 W / 17 UE / 71% 1st serve in / 77% winning 1st serve / 65% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 59% / 9 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 194 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 147 kmh



4TH ROUND STATISTICS

Nadal (3 sets vs Cilic): 26 W / 21 UE / 73% 1st serve in / 79% winning 1st serve / 48% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 94% / 3 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 183 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 140 kmh

Federer (4 sets vs Robredo): 50 W / 40 UE / 69% 1st serve in / 79% winning 1st serve / 61% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 72% / 10 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 184 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 149 kmh

Nole (3 set vs Almagro): 31 W / 17 UE / 75% 1st serve in / 86% winning 1st serve / 47% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 82% / 12 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 188 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 147 kmh

Sod (defeated 5 sets vs Dolgo): 34 W / 51 UE / 62% 1st serve in / 59% winning 1st serve / 38% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 64% / 6 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 190 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 155 kmh

Muzza (3 sets vs Melzer): 30 W / 10 UE / 57% 1st serve in / 83% winning 1st serve / 57% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 73% / 13 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 192 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 147 kmh

Berdych (3 sets vs Verdasco): 32 W / 8 UE / 65% 1st serve in / 88% winning 1st serve / 74% winning 2nd serve / net approaches 100% / 11 Aces / 1st serve avg. speed 190 kmh / 2nd serve avg. speed 147 kmh


Murray and Berdych: awesome stats. :eek:
Also Nole's serve on fire. :speakles:

Certinfy
01-24-2011, 10:37 PM
Berdych :worship:

ApproachShot
01-24-2011, 10:48 PM
4 times more winners than unforced errors for Berdych. That is really very good!

FormerRafaFan
01-24-2011, 11:50 PM
Nadal is screwed looking at those stats. Thankfully he has improved as the tournament went on. He has no chance in hell if he plays with those numbers against Murray though.