Is Grigor Dimitrov the real deal?

Nole fan
01-17-2011, 02:25 PM
A Grigor Dimitrov Moment
By Steve Tignor

The two girls smiled at each other. Then they looked backed at Court 10, at the player in the yellow shirt with the silky one-handed backhand and the very familiar service motion and the easy way with a forehand winner. Then the girls looked at each other again. They smiled again. They were having a Grigor Dimitrov moment.

The Grigor Dimitrov Moment: It sounds like a bad lounge-band name. I can see it now: A tall man with a receding hairline and a black goatee is hunched over a saxophone in a half-empty basement bar in Philly or Prague. But no, a Dimitrov Moment is what we got in Melbourne on Monday. In front of those two smitten girls, as well as a fair number of tennis cognescenti, the 19-year-old Bulgarian won his first match at a Grand Slam by routing Andrey Golubev, an otherwise perfectly respectable pro who is currently ranked No. 36 in the world. It wasn’t just that Dimitrov beat Golubev like a drum, 6-1, 6-4, 6-2; it’s that he outclassed him. He was the elegant tennis aristocrat slumming it for a few moments with the clumsy hoi polloi.

Players win their first matches at Grand Slams all the time, of course. But Dimitrov hasn’t been just another player since 2008. That year he won junior Wimbledon and the U.S. Open back to back, turned pro, and was promptly pushed into the pole position among the contenders for Next Big Tennis Thing.

And that’s as far as he got until today. The two years since Dimitrov’s junior triumphs have been hard ones. He was lost on the Challenger circuit, playing in Thailand one week and Geneva the next. He dropped out of the Top 200. The early talk of a touring entourage faded. When I spoke to him by phone from somewhere between Katmandu and Timbuktu last year, he sounded humbled. “I just have to keep going and hope it turns around,” he said.

It turned around in 2010. Dimitrov began working with former doubles standout Peter McNamara of Australia. He won six Challengers. He moved into the Top 200, then the Top 150, then up to 105, which is where he started this tournament. He’s not talking about hopes anymore; he’s talking about goals. Big goals.

“We’re aiming high," Dimitrov said today. "We want to be in the Top 40 by the end of the year." Maybe he’ll get the old entourage together again, too.

What changed? Nothing too specific or miraculous, it seems. “I’m more mature on court now,” Dimitrov said. “I have to accept it didn’t come as fast. I know I have to take it step by step.”

But the new confidence hasn’t vanquished the old frustration just yet. Dimitrov shoved an umpire at a Challenger in Helsinki last month, but was not suspended.

“It’s something that happened,” said Dimitrov, who described himself as “not an easy person” all the time. “It will never happen again.”

The talent, the temper, the early professional disappointment. Does this lineup remind you of someone else? Yes, Dimitrov appears to be taking a page or two from Roger Federer. Make that three or four or five pages. The Bulgarian says Federer is his hero, and he’s clearly spent a good deal of time watching him play.

The similarities in their games are uncanny. The relaxed start and sudden upward burst on the serve. The long extension on the backhand, and the extra, easy snap of topspin on the forehand. Dimitrov even sets up for his backhand the same way as Federer. Both of them, when they have the time, turn their bodies to the net and place their feet far apart for balance.

It’s one thing to copy the mechanics. It’s another to get the results—to catch the spirit rather than just the letter of the Federer law. Dimitrov does that too, and he did it today to devastating effect. Both Dimitrov and Federer seem to play farther from their torsos than their opponents, with a sweep to their strokes that lets them get more of their arms and bodies into their shots—they get out their own way. Golubev was handcuffed by Dimitrov’s inside-out forehand, as well as his down the line backhand. At 4-2 in the third set, Dimitrov hit three returns of serve that landed on the baseline, and which Golubev dumped into the net. After the last one, Golubev shrugged as if to say, “Forget it. Nothing I can do about that. Get me out of here.”

Dimitrov moves with something of the ease of Federer, and as I said, his way of playing has that loose, high-class Federer sheen (whether he's actually as fast is yet to be determined). This begs the question: Did Dimitrov borrow some of his talent from Federer? Or did his mimicry hold him back from developing what would have been his own genius? You can’t just move like Federer because you want to.

Would the younger man have been as good—or maybe better—if he had never seen the older man play? Would we all be better if we could make our games as close to Federer’s as possible? It’s one thing to copy a player’s general style. Bjorn Borg launched a million baseliners. It’s another to copy—or internalize; Dimitrov understandably doesn’t like the copycat label—the idiosyncrasies of one man’s genius. John McEnroe had no imitators.

None of this means the Bulgarian is any kind of genius; Frank Dancevic's game is also reminiscent of Federer's, and he's never cracked the Top 20. What matters for tennis fans is this: If you like to watch Roger Federer play, you’re going to like to watch Grigor Dimitrov. If, like me, you love Federer’s game but have gotten tired of his Sire Jacket lordliness over the years, you’ll like him even more, because it’s going to be a while before Dimitrov lords it over anyone. I spent a set at Court 10 watching Dimitrov-Golubev today, long enough to see that it wasn’t going to be a competitive match. So I traipsed to the other side of Melbourne Park, which is not around the corner, to watch some of Victor Troicki, another guy I’m interested this season. Or at least I thought I was interested in him. Compared to Dimitrov, Troicki’s game seemed limited and earthbound. So I got up and made the trek back to Court 10, just for the pleasure of seeing the kid play.

The two girls were there, and they were still smiling. So was Dimitrov. When he won the last point, he pumped his fist and flashed a wide grin. Then he looked at his coaches and smiled some more. He couldn’t stop smiling. He’d won a Grand Slam match. It was a Grigor Dimitrov moment to savor.

FedererBulgaria
01-17-2011, 02:31 PM
:worship::worship::worship:

The two girls smiled at each other. Then they looked backed at Court 10, at the player in the yellow shirt with the silky one-handed backhand and the very familiar service motion and the easy way with a forehand winner. Then the girls looked at each other again. They smiled again. They were having a Grigor Dimitrov moment.

The Grigor Dimitrov Moment: It sounds like a bad lounge-band name. I can see it now: A tall man with a receding hairline and a black goatee is hunched over a saxophone in a half-empty basement bar in Philly or Prague. But no, a Dimitrov Moment is what we got in Melbourne on Monday. In front of those two smitten girls, as well as a fair number of tennis cognescenti, the 19-year-old Bulgarian won his first match at a Grand Slam by routing Andrey Golubev, an otherwise perfectly respectable pro who is currently ranked No. 36 in the world. It wasn’t just that Dimitrov beat Golubev like a drum, 6-1, 6-4, 6-2; it’s that he outclassed him. He was the elegant tennis aristocrat slumming it for a few moments with the clumsy hoi polloi.

Players win their first matches at Grand Slams all the time, of course. But Dimitrov hasn’t been just another player since 2008. That year he won junior Wimbledon and the U.S. Open back to back, turned pro, and was promptly pushed into the pole position among the contenders for Next Big Tennis Thing.

And that’s as far as he got until today. The two years since Dimitrov’s junior triumphs have been hard ones. He was lost on the Challenger circuit, playing in Thailand one week and Geneva the next. He dropped out of the Top 200. The early talk of a touring entourage faded. When I spoke to him by phone from somewhere between Katmandu and Timbuktu last year, he sounded humbled. “I just have to keep going and hope it turns around,” he said.

It turned around in 2010. Dimitrov began working with former doubles standout Peter McNamara of Australia. He won six Challengers. He moved into the Top 200, then the Top 150, then up to 105, which is where he started this tournament. He’s not talking about hopes anymore; he’s talking about goals. Big goals.

“We’re aiming high," Dimitrov said today. "We want to be in the Top 40 by the end of the year." Maybe he’ll get the old entourage together again, too.

What changed? Nothing too specific or miraculous, it seems. “I’m more mature on court now,” Dimitrov said. “I have to accept it didn’t come as fast. I know I have to take it step by step.”

But the new confidence hasn’t vanquished the old frustration just yet. Dimitrov shoved an umpire at a Challenger in Helsinki last month, but was not suspended.

“It’s something that happened,” said Dimitrov, who described himself as “not an easy person” all the time. “It will never happen again.”

The talent, the temper, the early professional disappointment. Does this lineup remind you of someone else? Yes, Dimitrov appears to be taking a page or two from Roger Federer. Make that three or four or five pages. The Bulgarian says Federer is his hero, and he’s clearly spent a good deal of time watching him play.

The similarities in their games are uncanny. The relaxed start and sudden upward burst on the serve. The long extension on the backhand, and the extra, easy snap of topspin on the forehand. Dimitrov even sets up for his backhand the same way as Federer. Both of them, when they have the time, turn their bodies to the net and place their feet far apart for balance.

It’s one thing to copy the mechanics. It’s another to get the results—to catch the spirit rather than just the letter of the Federer law. Dimitrov does that too, and he did it today to devastating effect. Both Dimitrov and Federer seem to play farther from their torsos than their opponents, with a sweep to their strokes that lets them get more of their arms and bodies into their shots—they get out their own way. Golubev was handcuffed by Dimitrov’s inside-out forehand, as well as his down the line backhand. At 4-2 in the third set, Dimitrov hit three returns of serve that landed on the baseline, and which Golubev dumped into the net. After the last one, Golubev shrugged as if to say, “Forget it. Nothing I can do about that. Get me out of here.”

Dimitrov moves with something of the ease of Federer, and as I said, his way of playing has that loose, high-class Federer sheen (whether he's actually as fast is yet to be determined). This begs the question: Did Dimitrov borrow some of his talent from Federer? Or did his mimicry hold him back from developing what would have been his own genius? You can’t just move like Federer because you want to.

Would the younger man have been as good—or maybe better—if he had never seen the older man play? Would we all be better if we could make our games as close to Federer’s as possible? It’s one thing to copy a player’s general style. Bjorn Borg launched a million baseliners. It’s another to copy—or internalize; Dimitrov understandably doesn’t like the copycat label—the idiosyncrasies of one man’s genius. John McEnroe had no imitators.

None of this means the Bulgarian is any kind of genius; Frank Dancevic's game is also reminiscent of Federer's, and he's never cracked the Top 20. What matters for tennis fans is this: If you like to watch Roger Federer play, you’re going to like to watch Grigor Dimitrov. If, like me, you love Federer’s game but have gotten tired of his Sire Jacket lordliness over the years, you’ll like him even more, because it’s going to be a while before Dimitrov lords it over anyone. I spent a set at Court 10 watching Dimitrov-Golubev today, long enough to see that it wasn’t going to be a competitive match. So I traipsed to the other side of Melbourne Park, which is not around the corner, to watch some of Victor Troicki, another guy I’m interested this season. Or at least I thought I was interested in him. Compared to Dimitrov, Troicki’s game seemed limited and earthbound. So I got up and made the trek back to Court 10, just for the pleasure of seeing the kid play.

The two girls were there, and they were still smiling. So was Dimitrov. When he won the last point, he pumped his fist and flashed a wide grin. Then he looked at his coaches and smiled some more. He couldn’t stop smiling. He’d won a Grand Slam match. It was a Grigor Dimitrov moment to savor.

Orka_n
01-17-2011, 02:33 PM
All aboard the GriBOAT. :rocker2: :music:

Seriously though, it would be interesting if he started producing results.

Nole fan
01-17-2011, 02:38 PM
All aboard the GriBOAT. :rocker2: :music:

Seriously though, it would be interesting if he started producing results.

He's getting there, be patient. But if he keeps focused he has enough game to be in the Top 40 at the end of the year.

myrt
01-17-2011, 02:39 PM
Hope some of this match will turn up on youtube. Have only seen him on livestream in challengers against lesser opponents. Judging from Hopman Cup play Golubev is definitely not in form. Good to see young players making it happen.

Chartreuse
01-17-2011, 02:40 PM
Next GOAT.

Johnny Groove
01-17-2011, 02:42 PM
As long as he keeps his head level, there is no limit.

FedererBulgaria
01-17-2011, 02:46 PM
amazing article....no words,im just....

Armless
01-17-2011, 02:47 PM
Dimitrov has massive amounts of potential , his bandwagon is gathering pace at an enormous level , why shouldn't he be the next big thing?

Lurking
01-17-2011, 02:48 PM
He's the next Nalbandwagon.

pla
01-17-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't care, he has beautiful game, he has personality, he is hot as hell and he's good for the tennis in the country- even if he never goes into top50, I don't care. :) The article is nice but we've heard already enough of this- he's not a clone of Federer.

allpro
01-17-2011, 02:58 PM
yes, time is running out for clowns other than federer or nadal to win grandslams. just ask forehander.

viruzzz
01-17-2011, 03:14 PM
The bulgarian Federer is rising.

YouKnowWho
01-17-2011, 04:10 PM
Dimitrov definitely has the tools to be a great (note, not simply good, but great!) player, I have no doubt about it. However, he still needs to get his head straight and I am sort of afraid that the humongous amount of publicity and following that he gets will not help him do that. If he doesn't get his head straight, I wouldn't be surprised if he never even cracks top-30. If he does get his head straight though.. Top10 seems guaranteed, and who knows from there :)

shiaben
01-17-2011, 04:24 PM
I think he will be a bust :)

smitty8
01-17-2011, 04:33 PM
I saw him play in a Challenger over a year ago and I think he has the potential and the desire to be great, but time will tell. He's still young, still maturing. Good win for him.

Sham Kay
01-17-2011, 04:38 PM
Good luck to the kid, the world's his oyster if he keeps his head. I just wanted to say kid so it sounds funny if this gets bumped 5 years down the road.

Arakasi
01-17-2011, 05:19 PM
He has a very nice game. I really hope he does well this year.

Lopez
01-17-2011, 05:19 PM
I've always liked his game. The junior Wimbledon final 2008 was great with Dimitrov vs. Kontinen: 2 aggressive, talented players with one-handed backhands :). I'm still a fan, even though I was put off by his behavior at Helsinki a few months ago. Hope he sorts out his temperament and does well.

Henry Chinaski
01-17-2011, 05:31 PM
Does Tignor not know the difference between challengers and futures?

Dimitrov won 3 challengers last year, not 6.

Intro is seriously corny too.

abraxas21
01-17-2011, 05:40 PM
dimi will break the top 40... and if not, a lot of umpires will get their faces smashed

fast_clay
01-17-2011, 08:38 PM
Does Tignor not know the difference between challengers and futures?

Dimitrov won 3 challengers last year, not 6.

Intro is seriously corny too.

yeah man... as soon as i read it i felt patronised... it's not massive bullsh!t, it's just f**king lazy reporting...

and didnt spend any time on the fact that grigor is a potential bar room brawler... kid had a short fuse... a loose cannon... he's ready to trade knuckle... there was a nice angle there that he didnt exploit for a paragraph or two... any other sport, you beat up on an official and you get holidays without pay... but, with dimitrov i'm increasingly getting the feeling that he could buggar three umpires on arthur ashe without lubricant and still appear the fresh, clean cut new kid on the block...

Forehander
01-17-2011, 08:39 PM
I'm in tears

Soliloque
01-17-2011, 08:52 PM
I think that he'll be the new Federer (with less success), but Berankis will be his Nadal. He has already lost several times to him.

tumbak
01-17-2011, 09:01 PM
I think that he'll be the new Federer (with less success), but Berankis will be his Nadal. He has already lost several times to him.

Lool .. he lost just once.

l_mac
01-17-2011, 09:01 PM
Does Tignor not know the difference between challengers and futures?

Dimitrov won 3 challengers last year, not 6.

Intro is seriously corny too.

Who cares about piffling details like that, when the article contains this:

If, like me, you love Federer’s game but have gotten tired of his Sire Jacket lordliness over the years, you’ll like him even more, because it’s going to be a while before Dimitrov lords it over anyone.

??

:rolls:

Li Ching Yuen
01-17-2011, 09:07 PM
It's fucking impressive how these people get paid for writing this shit.

fast_clay
01-17-2011, 09:11 PM
??

:rolls:

quote worthy, yes... it was a highlight indeed...

perhaps tenfold for nadal fans by the looks...

l_mac
01-17-2011, 09:21 PM
perhaps tenfold for nadal fans by the looks...

For people who think Fed is an ass, not necessarily Rafa fans. Nole fans too :D

madmax
01-17-2011, 09:23 PM
Lool .. he lost just once.

actually he lost twice, first time being in juniors....anyway, going back to the topic I feel like this bulgarian kid has an aesthetically pleasing game, but his attitude leaves a lot to be desired for. I understand all the hype about a young charismatic player, but results have to justify all the flash too. He's still unproven and a raw material in a big boys game.

Nole fan
01-17-2011, 09:25 PM
It's fucking impressive how these people get paid for writing this shit.

Steve Tignor is a well-respected tennis observer and expert and he's probably the best tennis blogger out there. Read more of him before making such uninformed comments. :rolleyes:

rocketassist
01-17-2011, 09:26 PM
His game doesn't suit today's surfaces and conditions. It's a fun, really enjoyable game to watch, but he won't be winning any GS titles.

l_mac
01-17-2011, 09:32 PM
Steve Tignor is a well-respected tennis observer and expert and he's probably the best tennis blogger out there. Read more of him before making such uninformed comments. :rolleyes:

In your opinion he's the best blogger out there.

That article was quite lazy and annoying. Not Bodo level, but closer than Tignor usually gets. Pretty crap for him, actually. I'm not sure what more the poster criticising has to do other than read the article quoted? That's what he/she is responding to.

I like him, but he has his fair share of lazy/over indulgent/needlessly flowery I-took-creative-writing-in-college articles.

Nole fan
01-17-2011, 09:36 PM
In your opinion he's the best blogger out there.

That article was quite lazy and annoying. Not Bodo level, but closer than Tignor usually gets. Pretty crap for him, actually. I'm not sure what more the poster criticising has to do other than read the article quoted? That's what he/she is responding to.

I like him, but he has his fair share of lazy/over indulgent/needlessly flowery I-took-creative-writing-in-college articles.

Try to write something newsworthy every day. Have you ever tried to write professionally? It's not easy, specially writing under pressure. That coming from a journo. People like to criticize journos's work too easily. :rolleyes:

This is an opinion anyway, his opinion. As valid as yours. But he's the blogger.

green25814
01-17-2011, 09:36 PM
His game is similar to Federer's, but importantly he lacks power, as well as Federer's level of topspin. Without that, he wont break into the top level.

fast_clay
01-17-2011, 09:42 PM
For people who think Fed is an ass, not necessarily Rafa fans. Nole fans too :D

you'd have to say fed could have kept many of his fans if he'd dropped the bells, whistles and other various tributes to wacko jacko...

the reasonable fans walked when he became a grotesque personality... and sadly, he only kept the fans that actually resemble him...

i think dimitrov could find a supporter in me... i like this eastern european, hanescu street pimp approach... sweet game, but we know he's as dirty as... i mean, come on... not even koellerer enjoys beating up on umpries...

this dimitrov may not win as many slams as fed, but... he doesnt mind bruising his knuckles to get his point across... a man's tennis player who won't mind exchanging saliva at 30 paces when required...

l_mac
01-17-2011, 09:42 PM
Try to write something newsworthy every day. Have you ever tried to write professionally? It's not easy, specially writing under pressure. That coming from a journo. People like to criticize journos's work too easily. :rolleyes:

This is an opinion anyway, his opinion. As valid as yours. But he's the blogger.

Lots of people's jobs aren't easy :confused: Not really sure what you're suggesting, maybe that we should only make positive responses? Ridiculous :lol: Tignor published an article on his blog with inaccuracies :shrug: If I made mistakes in my job, I'd expect to get called on it. You wouldn't?

No-one said his opinion wasn't valid, but you were the one suggesting that the poster who said he/she couldn't believe someone was paid for writing "that shit" didn't have a valid opinion.

l_mac
01-17-2011, 09:43 PM
you'd have to say fed could have kept many of his fans if he'd dropped the bells, whistles and other various tributes to wacko jacko...

the reasonable fans walked when he became a grotesque personality... and sadly, he only kept the fans that actually resemble him...

i think dimitrov has found a supporter in me... i like this eastern european, hanescu street pimp approach... sweet game, but we know he's as dirty as... i mean, come on... not even koellerer enjoys beating up on umpries...

this dimitrov may not win as many slams as fed, but... he doesnt mind bruising his knuckles to get his point across... a man's tennis player who won't mind exchanging saliva at 30 paces when required...
:lol:

He's the Cronaldo of tennis.

Except I love Cron.

Modetopia
01-17-2011, 09:55 PM
Patrick Mouratoglou:
I think Grigor Dimitrov, the 19-year-old Bulgarian player who trained in my academy, deserves to be talked about because he’s a symbol of the next generation. along with Berankis, Harrison, Tomic, Raonic, Kuznetsov and Krajinovic.

Grigor, started working with Peter McNamara in July and has improved a lot in his game and his ranking. After qualifying for the main draw, he won his first round match against Golubev - 38th in the world - in straight sets. This victory shows all the work done and how much he has improved in eight months.

He’s so fast, fluid and with a cat like game but he also showed maturity. He could have been carried away, could have tried to go too much for it and then being caught by the pressure of what was at stake. Winning his first match in this kind of event means a lot for a young player. Grigor remained focused and calm from beginning to the end. I’m really proud of him.

Henry Chinaski
01-17-2011, 10:09 PM
yeah man... as soon as i read it i felt patronised... it's not massive bullsh!t, it's just f**king lazy reporting...

and didnt spend any time on the fact that grigor is a potential bar room brawler... kid had a short fuse... a loose cannon... he's ready to trade knuckle... there was a nice angle there that he didnt exploit for a paragraph or two... any other sport, you beat up on an official and you get holidays without pay... but, with dimitrov i'm increasingly getting the feeling that he could buggar three umpires on arthur ashe without lubricant and still appear the fresh, clean cut new kid on the block...


Yeah, I can't get over him not eating a ban for that.

Fee semi-joked in the original thread on the subject that he'd be punished unless he's signed to IMG in which case the ATP would apologise, revoke the fine and pay him for his troubles.

There's definitely an element of truth in that. Not sure if he's with IMG or not but he obviously has some very good connections that the ATP didn't have the balls to tackle.

Bulgaria seems to be going nuts for him anyway. Dimitrov getting a mention in the western press seems to be considered news-worthy.

Some one on twitter even sent me a link to a Bulgarian website that had my first title piece translated into Bulgarian under the some grandiose headline about what a great prospect he is It's pretty funny.

Great description of Fed's eccentricities as tributes to Jacko. Better than Tignor's anyway. I don't think it has anything to do with "lordiness" though or whatever Tignor said. I think Fed the human being is basically an immature doofus whose naive interpretation of what constitutes "class" led to him making some horrible decisions at Wimbledon in particular.(Under awful advice no doubt).

Tignor is pretty good in general. Can't get over that cheesey intro though. "A Dimitrov moment" JESUS.

tumbak
01-17-2011, 10:17 PM
Shut up Dimitrov is the new goat that's it.

fast_clay
01-17-2011, 10:21 PM
Shut up Dimitrov is the new goat that's it.

wel... i hope so... cos then we'll have a GOAT that can say: 'yeah, of course i'm favourite for this slam... and anyone who disagrees, i'll see you in the f***ing car park...'

should be refreshing i think..

tumbak
01-17-2011, 10:23 PM
Yea.

Allez
01-17-2011, 10:36 PM
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, then hell yeah it must be a bloody duck!!!

abraxas21
01-18-2011, 01:46 AM
A Grigor Dimitrov Moment
By Steve Tignor

The two girls smiled at each other. Then they looked backed at Court 10, at the player in the yellow shirt with the silky one-handed backhand and the very familiar service motion and the easy way with a forehand winner. Then the girls looked at each other again. They smiled again. They were having a Grigor Dimitrov moment.


i dunno what he's on but whatever drugs he took before writing this, i want them.

ShotmaKer
01-18-2011, 02:04 AM
Does Tignor not know the difference between challengers and futures?

Dimitrov won 3 challengers last year, not 6.

Intro is seriously corny too.

This. Although I agree Trignor is usually an ok blogger.

Tipster13
01-18-2011, 08:03 PM
Lool .. he lost just once.

Dimitrov was trashed 2 times.

Action Jackson
01-18-2011, 08:08 PM
Dimitrovtards are going to be so huge over time.

Has a lot of talent and has the right coach with him at the moment, we'll see how it goes.

Nole fan
01-18-2011, 08:20 PM
Dimitrovtards are going to be so huge over time.

Yeah, and it's showing already. Bulgarians will come in full force. Watch for a repeat of the Serbian Invasion circa 2007-08. :lol:

Of course there will also be the second coming of the Serbs once Djokovic ones wins his second slam. :cool:

MalwareDie
01-18-2011, 08:22 PM
Yeah, and it's showing already. Bulgarians will come in full force. Watch for a repeat of the Serbian Invasion circa 2007-08. :lol:



And how do you know this?

jrm
01-18-2011, 09:24 PM
We need to wait and see ... so far he hasn't beat anyone worth mentioning

Everko
01-18-2011, 09:37 PM
He has improved but he will not be that great in the future.

oranges
01-18-2011, 11:49 PM
Everko has spoken, Dimi set for GOAT status after this proclamation

FlameOn
01-18-2011, 11:51 PM
Is he the one that pushed an umpire?

moon language
01-18-2011, 11:57 PM
His movement isn't that great, and that is a big part of what makes Federer Federer.

Halba
01-19-2011, 02:22 AM
has a lot of work to do to catch up with the field first. federer? no, there won't be another. theres a lot of aspects that make fed good, also between his ears he can think very quickly

Manu_ser
02-09-2015, 09:34 PM
Is he the one that pushed an umpire?

Yes i believe it's him

Backhand Smash
02-09-2015, 10:09 PM
Yes i believe it's him

Yeah:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/21/DavidFerrerPushesLinesmanAussie14.gif?1390295210

Forehander
02-10-2015, 01:10 AM
real deal top 20 player yes

ClutchedOnandBack
02-10-2015, 01:18 AM
Yeah:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/21/DavidFerrerPushesLinesmanAussie14.gif?1390295210

:superlol: his face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nole Rules
02-10-2015, 02:29 AM
So far he is the 1/4 deal and I'm being nice here.

Secondeuce
02-10-2015, 11:18 AM
(...)
The Grigor Dimitrov Moment: It sounds like a bad lounge-band name. (...) He was the elegant tennis aristocrat slumming it for a few moments with the clumsy hoi polloi.

The similarities in their games are uncanny. The relaxed start and sudden upward burst on the serve. The long extension on the backhand, and the extra, easy snap of topspin on the forehand. Dimitrov even sets up for his backhand the same way as Federer. Both of them, when they have the time, turn their bodies to the net and place their feet far apart for balance.



Interesting, how Tignor muses about Dimitrov copying Federer's game, while he himself is copying or more benevolently, drawing inspiration from David Foster Wallace. He thereby strenghtens the image of Dimitrov as a baby Federer.

"Almost anyone who loves tennis and follows the men’s tour on television has, over the last few years, had what might be termed Federer Moments." So for Tignor it's a Dimitrov moment - he himself recognizes how corny it sounds wrt Dimitrov.

The very next sentence I quoted further associates Dimitrov with Federer by likening him to an elegant tennis aristocrat. In the last paragraph I quoted their strokes are compared with an emphasize on similarities, not on differences. In the media it seems this picture has resonated almost to this day. Dimitrov has certainly benefitted, since he got more attention than his results warranted. Dimitrov now has moved away from it, along with his game, but major success is as far away now as it was then.

Uncle Latso
02-10-2015, 12:17 PM
someone please finally define "real deal".

If it is - among the next new Slam winners - yes, potentially he is.

If it is - Federer's heritage, multi-slam, double digits, several years #1 - no he isn't.

I'd be happy for Grigor to have a Roddick/Safin/Hewitt/Ferrero career. That would be awesome.

No one should ever dream about more than this and rarely anyone is.

It is already a very high bar and it's still very far from being a lock.

He was in the group with Tomic, Berankis and Harrison, the guys who most journos and "specialists" predicted as the next Slam winners and top 5 players, so now that one of them is somehow close to it, everyone claims dibs and copyright, further exaggerating his media persona.

But that has nothing to do with Grigor and most his fans.

We want 1 Slam and then we'll want a couple more. That's it.

ProdigyEng
02-10-2015, 12:17 PM
No he is not. But he will be top player for sure.

ShanksBboy
02-10-2015, 01:05 PM
He’s not talking about hopes anymore; he’s talking about goals. Big goals.


:superlol::superlol:

The Fogmeister
02-10-2015, 01:25 PM
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/3816/348765-evander_holyfield_s_real_deal_boxing_title_screen. jpg

Edda
02-10-2015, 02:32 PM
No, he's not. He seems to be one of the weakest of the newer players.

rocketassist
02-10-2015, 02:42 PM
My first post in this thread was that he has a nice game but conditions are too slow for him to succeed. Actually the doors are more open now, yet his game is slice and grind which is a shame. I still think he won't win any slams.

FedererBulgaria
02-10-2015, 03:07 PM
No, he's not. He seems to be one of the weakest of the newer players.

This is beyond trolling.


BTW its like to ask if MTF is full with clowns :angel:

elliot404
02-10-2015, 03:47 PM
This is beyond trolling.


BTW its like to ask if MTF is full with clowns :angel:

he's not doing as badly as people are making out but he should be doing better.

elliot404
02-10-2015, 03:49 PM
Yeah:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/01/21/DavidFerrerPushesLinesmanAussie14.gif?1390295210

ferrer does not get enough stick for his disgusting game and behaviour

Matt01
02-10-2015, 04:33 PM
ferrer does not get enough stick for his disgusting game and behaviour


His game is ok but you're right about the behaviour.

Henry Kaspar
02-10-2015, 08:18 PM
Dimitrov has trouble breaking through to the very top, as have other players of his generation.

As a result the once golden period of the Big 4 gets extended, even though their quality isn't what it was 3, 4 years ago.

SerialKillerToBe
02-10-2015, 08:38 PM
:haha: I'll give you a Grigor Dimitrov moment:

Bt_kR7u6mM4

Fate Ends Delusions
02-11-2015, 03:10 AM
Grigor hasn't really even started yet. He's still in the skin-shedding phase. When he sheds the dead weight and reveals his full capabilities, he would make it more obvious that he's the best out of: himself, Raonic, Nishikori, etc. Even now in Feb 2015 I feel like his peak is higher than the others. He got incredibly unlucky, and Murray: lucky in his AO match.

blackwell
02-11-2015, 09:14 PM
Big slump after Wimbledon.. What is happening ?

ShanksBboy
02-11-2015, 09:14 PM
Big slump after Wimbledon.. What is happening ?

Run out of luck.

Jamvol
02-11-2015, 11:10 PM
Where would Dimitrov be ranked w/o those chokes from Anderson (x2), Lopez and the good fortune of facing Flopray at Wimbledon last year I wonder...

ShanksBboy
02-11-2015, 11:13 PM
Where would Dimitrov be ranked w/o those chokes from Anderson (x2), Lopez and the good fortune of facing Flopray at Wimbledon last year I wonder...

Also withdraw Haas and Monfils. And obivously the most classic choke was Dolgopolov at Wimbledon.

riff
02-12-2015, 04:42 AM
Grigor hasn't really even started yet. He's still in the skin-shedding phase. When he sheds the dead weight and reveals his full capabilities, he would make it more obvious that he's the best out of: himself, Raonic, Nishikori, etc. Even now in Feb 2015 I feel like his peak is higher than the others. He got incredibly unlucky, and Murray: lucky in his AO match.

he is very inconsistent, he plays aggressive and full of intent in one match (AO vs Murray) and average the next 10 like he should only his average level is not enough to beat lower ranked players comfortably and even struggles
not good enough

BauerAlmeida
02-12-2015, 04:43 AM
Just another Gasquet.

chico
02-12-2015, 04:56 AM
No he is not, I am afraid. This is clear by now. He will be 24 before next slam is over.

Johnny Groove
02-12-2015, 05:07 AM
Just another Gasquet.

Jesus, let's not go that far

Hopefully not

SheepleBuster
02-12-2015, 05:35 AM
Jesus, let's not go that far

Hopefully not


Exactly ... at least Gasquet got to kiss a hot girl with coke. Dimitrov has not achieved such feat yet. He is too conservative... not a risk taker. Not a man of dangerous situations like Gasquet

Andrej
02-12-2015, 05:48 AM
Just another Gasquet.

This.
Although he might be able to vulture a slam at some point due to weak era.

A_Skywalker
02-12-2015, 06:02 AM
Doesn't look like future slam winner. But who knows, Cilic won it.

invisiblecoolers
02-12-2015, 06:44 AM
Grigor is an over rated hyped Tennis player, he is pretty good but it ends there, he is not someone super special like a Fed, Rafa and Djoko not even anywhere as special as Murray is.

blackwell
02-26-2015, 12:25 AM
Looks like he is completely done :eek:

RForehand
02-26-2015, 12:29 AM
Just another Gasquet.
this, Gasquet's 2 wins agaiinst Federer on clay have been as impressive as everything Dimitrov ever did.

ClutchedOnandBack
02-26-2015, 01:00 AM
It's a silly 500 event. He is 1000 times more talented and better equipped in terms of game than Gasquet.

He lost in a 500 event to a poor player playing well, he had a bad day Dimitrov. Forget it. Stop acting OTT for the sake of trolling. :lol: It's pathetic.

BauerAlmeida
02-26-2015, 02:35 AM
It's a silly 500 event. He is 1000 times more talented and better equipped in terms of game than Gasquet.

He lost in a 500 event to a poor player playing well, he had a bad day Dimitrov. Forget it. Stop acting OTT for the sake of trolling. :lol: It's pathetic.

An 18 year old Gasquet beat peak Federer, in a year where he only lost three matches (and they were against Safin and Nalbandian on HC and Nadal on clay). That is far more impressive than anything Dimitrov ever did.

ClutchedOnandBack
02-26-2015, 03:23 AM
An 18 year old Gasquet beat peak Federer, in a year where he only lost three matches (and they were against Safin and Nalbandian on HC and Nadal on clay). That is far more impressive than anything Dimitrov ever did.

:zzz: And you were barely into your teens at this time, so have no clear idea of the development back then.

The development now a days is later. The average age of the tour is 28, advancements in body conditioning, greater awareness of nutrition etc has bred players into better athletes and so they are able to last on tour longer and that blended in with the experience they have is priceless. This is why Dimitrov and Nishikori are struggling to break through, they are behind on experience.

Only a mainstream fan would think beating Federer is the be all and end all. Loads of people have done it. You are just a generic hater.

Gasquet's tennis has always been a gimmick. He is an exhibition player.

MIMIC
02-26-2015, 03:57 AM
Doesn't look like future slam winner. But who knows, Cilic won it.

Cilic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diva

Han Solo
02-26-2015, 04:05 AM
We all get that athletes last longer now due to improvements in conditioning and the more sophisticated methods of fitness training and medical support. SO the argument that Dimitrov could peak later is reasonable.

But really you would expect a 23 y/o player - if he's going to be a number one - to have kicked on, and be improving continuously. Dimitrov has definitely stalled since last June. It's less than a year of a slump, but it's the wrong age to be having a slump.

MaratandMilos
02-26-2015, 04:09 AM
Gasquet is more talented than Dimitrov. Remains to be seen who the bigger flake of the two is. Like Gasquet, though, Dimitrov is playing way too defensive to do any kind of real damage at the top of the tour.

ClutchedOnandBack
02-26-2015, 04:16 AM
Gasquet is not more talented than Dimitrov. Not a chance. Gasquet just has French flamboyance so his 'talent' is more visible. Dimitrov's a much more well rounded and gifted mover, better touch, better forehand, better serve. This is simply an over-reaction to Grigor's defeat to an American player who has been a muppet mentally for most his career. Or should I say knee-jerk reaction.

This place just dislikes Dimitrov because the media and the female sex find him 'attractive' or 'cute', or whatever they say it is. There are a lot of jealous guys on here, it's pathetic, because I thought people tennis minded enough on here to focus just on the tennis! BUT NO! NOOO!

Fate Ends Delusions
02-26-2015, 04:39 AM
Calling Dimitrov less threatening because he lost to Harrison is too results oriented. He just threw in a shitter of a match.

I can see Dimitrov winning a few slams. Certainly more than Nishikori and Raonic. He got the warrior's heart, but his level isn't there yet.

The Fogmeister
02-26-2015, 09:42 PM
Dimitrov is the more talented player who arrived in the tour since Federer.

But sadly he's a wreck right now.

All those racquet changes don't seems to be doing any good to him, and he's playing absolute shit with this last one.

Serve went from borderline top 5 after US Open to absolutely unreliable right now.

But the main issue is court positioning and play selection. Absolutely awful atm.

Also losing composure too easy, 3rd set yesterday was Fognini's material. After failing to break from 0-30 (and playing defensive in the next point, which he had all te chances to close the point and opted against) and being broken in the next game with 4 UE's, he basically gave up and start playing like a complete idiot. That was an auto-bagel, Harrison just did the basic.

I'm a defender of Rasheed, I think he did well in turning Dimitrov into a physical beast, but it's either time to sack him or to add someone more tactical oriented to his team.

ClutchedOnandBack
02-26-2015, 09:45 PM
^One match?

blackwell
02-26-2015, 09:48 PM
^One match?
No.. Big slump since Wimbledon

ProdigyEng
02-26-2015, 09:52 PM
Calling Dimitrov less threatening because he lost to Harrison is too results oriented. He just threw in a shitter of a match.

I can see Dimitrov winning a few slams. Certainly more than Nishikori and Raonic. He got the warrior's heart, but his level isn't there yet.

Warriors heart how?

Fate Ends Delusions
02-27-2015, 12:03 PM
Warriors heart how?

I look in his eyes and see that he's a warrior. He only needs a bit higher of a level and he can seriously challenge for Wimbledon.

swebright
02-27-2015, 01:23 PM
He is in terrible shape right now ....

Sidespinfan
02-27-2015, 02:30 PM
Gasquet's results were much better at his age. If Dimitrov gets a lot of luck with the draw he may win a Slam or 2, but that's it. Once the transitional era is over, he'll be a shadow for Coric and young Aussies.

ProdigyEng
02-27-2015, 02:32 PM
I look in his eyes and see that he's a warrior. He only needs a bit higher of a level and he can seriously challenge for Wimbledon.

Sorry but I disagree about the warriors heart statement. I'll admit that he does have good fight, mainly against lesser players at the moment although improving vs top players, however someone with a warriors heart wouldn't lose momentum in key moments of Slam QF's and SF's... he had great chances vs Djokovic at Wimbledon and Murray at AO and messed them both up.

BauerAlmeida
02-28-2015, 01:56 AM
Dimitrov is the more talented player who arrived in the tour since Federer.




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BestOfTheHistori
02-28-2015, 02:50 AM
he should have chose to be alternate at the WTF, because he ain't going to reach that level anytime soon.

Forehander
02-28-2015, 04:42 AM
If people are asking whether he's a future world number one real deal the answer is no. If real deal means top 20 player then yes he is definitely real deal.

Fate Ends Delusions
02-28-2015, 09:56 AM
Sorry but I disagree about the warriors heart statement. I'll admit that he does have good fight, mainly against lesser players at the moment although improving vs top players, however someone with a warriors heart wouldn't lose momentum in key moments of Slam QF's and SF's... he had great chances vs Djokovic at Wimbledon and Murray at AO and messed them both up.

No need to apologise about disagreement, but it's just so apparent to me when I see his eyes. He wants it bad. Lately he's been a big match player, but brings his worst in smaller tournaments. If he only didn't choke that set against Murray - he probably wins it. He could have well made the AO final.

Applying your logic, Federer isn't a warrior. Fed lost from 2-0 up at his favourite and best slam Wimbledon 2011 to Clownga, but well know he's a warrior. Many warriors lose momentum in key moments of matches deep in slams - that's jts sport. That's why I emphasise the importance of not being too results-oriented, as we can use any fact or statistic to support our own agenda. More emphasis is placed on the process, and Grigor appears to be a warrior. Of course he still hasn't found his footing in the USO, but that will pass soon.

Contrast Grigor to the likes of Raonic and Nishikori who aren't warriors at all - despite the fact that they may be better on paper. You either have it or you don't.

The Fogmeister
02-28-2015, 05:14 PM
An 18 year old Gasquet beat peak Federer, in a year where he only lost three matches (and they were against Safin and Nalbandian on HC and Nadal on clay). That is far more impressive than anything Dimitrov ever did.

On clay. Federer has always vulnerable on clay, let alone pre-2006.

And actually what he did isn't more impressive. Dimitrov made a Wimbledon semi by trashing the defending champion and pushed the soon to be champion to the limit two days later, lost because of some bad luck in the most important points.

Also, Gasquet has 11 titles and all of them were like, well, MM's like peoole always said, those Moscows, Notthigham and Montpelliers of the tour. Dimitrov by now alredy won the much more traditional Queens tournament and also has an ATP 500, which Gasquet didn't. He's also already a much bigger threat to the top players in the big tournaments than Gasquet ever was. Of course, I'm talking the Dimitrov version who was the 5th ranked player in the race before Wimbledon, not this pathetic current version of him, testing new racquet each tournament and playing like a careless mongoloid. This actual version has barely top 30 level.

BauerAlmeida
03-01-2015, 09:45 PM
:zzz: And you were barely into your teens at this time, so have no clear idea of the development back then.

The development now a days is later. The average age of the tour is 28, advancements in body conditioning, greater awareness of nutrition etc has bred players into better athletes and so they are able to last on tour longer and that blended in with the experience they have is priceless. This is why Dimitrov and Nishikori are struggling to break through, they are behind on experience.

Only a mainstream fan would think beating Federer is the be all and end all. Loads of people have done it. You are just a generic hater.

Gasquet's tennis has always been a gimmick. He is an exhibition player.

Yeah bro, Dimitrov will pull a Johnny Groove and reach #1 winning the CYGS in his 40s.

blackwell
03-31-2015, 12:54 AM
New low

Young 8
03-31-2015, 12:57 AM
http://tennisinsideout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ump-staring-Grigor-Rasheed-Shanghai-2014.jpg

vayuu
03-31-2015, 12:58 AM
:haha:

Chris Kuerten
03-31-2015, 01:02 AM
http://tennisinsideout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ump-staring-Grigor-Rasheed-Shanghai-2014.jpghttp://www.redesignrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/golden-retriever.jpg

Whiznot
03-31-2015, 01:29 AM
As a joke, diva is the real deal.

RedHotRafa49
03-31-2015, 01:42 AM
If Real Deal means another Gasquet then sure.

mugahi
03-31-2015, 04:31 AM
Next month Dimi will be 24, how many players have become the real deal at 24 and still not won a slam?

GasquetGulbis
03-31-2015, 04:42 AM
Next month Dimi will be 24, how many players have become the real deal at 24 and still not won a slam?

Andy Murray

DerekHV
03-31-2015, 08:42 AM
Next month Dimi will be 24, how many players have become the real deal at 24 and still not won a slam?

Stan Wawrinka, Marin Cilic.
Win 1 Slam and that's a statement, 2 is the real deal.

EnriqueIG8
03-31-2015, 08:47 AM
The real deal as in having a Federer/Nadal/Djokovic like career? Most likely not.

But to spend most of his time as a stable top 20 player with 10+ titles? I think so.
I do believe Grigor is capable of snatching 1 or 2 MS1000 and a couple of ATP500's.

M.Bison
03-31-2015, 09:07 AM
Andy Murray

How many masters and slam finals did he have at 24?

duong
03-31-2015, 09:16 AM
How many masters and slam finals did he have at 24?

Murray had 3 GS finals, 6 wins in MS1000