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2011 PAW Managers Thread

dinkulpus
12-18-2010, 03:11 PM
Welcome in the 2011 PAW Managers Thread!


Don't forget that, please :


* if no manager takes a tournament until 1 day before the main draw is released, following the rules above, the tournament is cancelled, the players commited to this tournament are moved to the other(s) of the week (if there's any) and the circuit moves on.



JAN 3
Doha jrm
Chennai sdtoot
Brisbane Wojtek

JAN 10
Sydney Aenea
Auckland jrm

JAN 17
Australian Open Aenea

JAN 31
Santiago sdtoot
Zagreb Aenea
Johannesburg Cava

FEB 7
Costa do Sauipe jrm
Rotterdam qczi
San Jose Wojtek

FEB 14
Marseille qczi
Memphis wtatourfan
Buenos Aires jervisjames

FEB 21
Acapulco jrm
Dubai wtatourfan
Delray Beach Wojtek

MAR 7
Indian Wells Aenea

MAR 21
Miami sdtoot


APR 4
Houston jervisjames
Casablanca wtatourfan

APR 11
Monte-Carlo jrm

APR 18
Barcelona Boarder35m

APR 25
Estoril wtatourfan
Belgrade appleGirl
Munich Thunderfish8

MAY 1
Madrid sdtoot

MAY 8
Rome jrm

MAY 16
Nice jervisjames

MAY 22
Roland Garros Wojtek

JUN 6
Halle wtatourfan
London/Queen's Club KoOlMaNsEaN

JUN 12
’s-Hertogenbosch sdtoot
Eastbourne wtatourfan

JUN 20
Wimbledon jervisjames

JUL 4
Newport jervisjames

JUL 11
Bastad purtov45
Stuttgart jrm

JUL 18
Atlanta KoOlMaNsEaN
Hamburg jrm

JUL 25
Los Angeles appleGirl
Gstaad Hamstory
Umag jrm

JUL 31
Kitzbuhel jrm

AUG 1
Washinghton appleGirl

AUG 8
Montreal purtov45

AUG 14
Cincinnati hallso

AUG 22
Winston Salem jrm

AUG 29
US Open sdtoot

SEP 19
Metz coolfish1103
Bucharest Cava

SEP 26
Kuala Lumpur Aenea
Bangkok Aenea

OCT 3
Beijing jervisjames
Tokyo coolfish1103

OCT 9
Shanghai sdtoot

OCT 17
Stockholm qczi
Moscow purtov45

OCT 24
Vienna jrm
St. Petersburg qczi

OCT 30
Valencia Thunderfish8

OCT 31
Basel Aenea

NOV 6
Paris hallso

NOV 20
London sdtoot


_____________



PAW scoring points calculation
Formula:

PLAYER'S A ranking pts: A
PLAYER'S B ranking pts: B

Player's A PAW scoring pts: = SQRT (100*B / A) or 10*SQRT(B)/SQRT(A)
Player's B PAW scoring pts: = SQRT (100*A / B) or 10*SQRT(A)/SQRT(B)
(SQRT=square root)

EXAMPLE:

Madrid 2007 Final:

FEDERER, Roger vs NALBANDIAN, David

FEDERER, Roger rank pts: 7355
NALBANDIAN, David rank pts: 1195

FEDERER, Roger PAW Scoring pts = SQRT (100*1195/7355) = 4.03 = 4
NALBANDIAN, David PAW Scoring pts = SQRT (100*7355/1195) = 24.81 = 25

FEDERER, Roger vs NALBANDIAN, David ..........(4-25)

Note:

1. The ranking list to be used for PAW scoring points is the ranking at the time of the draw,
normally it's the previous week's ranking (but in Indian Wells and Miami case
the draw comes out AFTER the new ranking is released)

2. Round off all scoring pts to the nearest integer, eg. 10.49 = 10 but 10.50 = 11.

3. In case of unranked player or a player who has less than 40 ranking pts,
he is allocated 40 pts for the calculation of PAW scoring points.


For beginning manager


All managers, please don't forget about the name format in ranking table which I've mentioned here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=3473997#post3473997)
Name has exactly 23 symbols (letters),
thank you :wavey:



ZIP file includes simple template excel sheets for 13, 16, 26-picks paw and special Evita's Templates, it can be easy modified by inserting (or deleting) additional lines and columns.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/photos/data/500/paw.jpg (http://www.pawforum.ovh.org/stuff/paw.zip)

dinkulpus
12-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Manager stats



jrm........... - 12 (2X 1000, 2 X 500, 8 X 250)
sdtoot........ - 8 (1 GS, 4 X 1000, 3 X 250)
Aenea......... - 7 (1 GS, 1 X 1000, 1 X 500, 4 X 250)
wtatourfan.... - 6 (2 X 500, 4 X 250)
jervisjames... - 6 (1 GS, 1 X 500, 4 X 250)
Wojtek........ - 4 (1 GS, 3 X 250)
qczi.......... - 4 (1 X 500, 3 X 250)
purtov45...... - 3 (1 X 1000, 2 X 250)
appleGirl..... - 3 (1 X 500, 2 X 250)
Cava.......... - 2 (2 X 250)
Thunderfish8.. - 2 (1 X 500, 1 X 250)
KoOlMaNsEaN... - 2 (2 X 250)
hallso ....... - 2 (2 X 1000)
coolfish1103.. - 2 (1 X 500, 1 X 250)
Boarder35m.... - 1 (1 X 500)
Hamstory...... - 1 (1 X 250)

dinkulpus
12-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Waiting for first volunteers for 2011.
sdtoot if I miss something, just send me a PM please :D

jrm
12-18-2010, 03:47 PM
I'll take Doha :D

Aenea
12-18-2010, 04:31 PM
Zagreb

:wavey:

sdtoot
12-18-2010, 11:04 PM
:yeah: Chennai and Santiago please.

dinkulpus
12-18-2010, 11:18 PM
We need someone for Brisbane to complete week 1 :wavey:

Wojtek
12-19-2010, 07:46 AM
Brisbane for me

Gillouthe best
12-30-2010, 05:24 PM
Can i play?

sdtoot
12-30-2010, 05:51 PM
Can i play?

Yes, just sign up to the January PAW tournaments here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=173565).

Gillouthe best
12-30-2010, 06:03 PM
Thanks

jrm
12-31-2010, 11:00 AM
Was Doha degraded?

sdtoot
12-31-2010, 11:04 AM
Was Doha degraded?

No, it was also an ATP250 in 2010.

jrm
12-31-2010, 11:24 AM
No, it was also an ATP250 in 2010.

But it's stil 1M $ (or more) :confused:

Wojtek
01-01-2011, 01:03 PM
San Jose for me

dinkulpus
01-02-2011, 02:29 AM
Any managers for week 2 :help::help:

Aenea
01-02-2011, 09:06 AM
Week 2 isn't that important, 250 only, we'll find managers for those but AO is the problem. Manager for a GS is more difficult to find, greatkingrat and Greg who had experience with managing GS are gone, Shaun has taken Santiago so who is left for AO.
We need someone for AO urgently.

sdtoot
01-03-2011, 12:49 AM
Sorry, I can't run AO since I am managing PAW AO on TennisForum and it would be too much work to run two GS PAW tournaments at the same time - particularly in the first few days.

Aenea
01-03-2011, 08:49 AM
I am aware of that, Shaun. We cannot expect of you to run every GS, it is a lot of work with so many picks and so many players. But we, PAW managers are becoming fewer and fewer every year. I am working on my 26-picks spreadsheet and if I get it ready by next week I may take AO but then I have to give up on Zagreb as per the rule about consecutive weeks. Otherwise I could take even Sydney since this month I have some more free time. The other problem is the time difference with Australia and if I run tournaments in Australia the updates may come a bit late.

sdtoot
01-04-2011, 12:26 AM
With the current lack of PAW Managers offering to run tournaments, then we are at serious risk of having to cancel tournaments over the coming weeks. Maybe we should relax the current rule which restricts managers from taking tournaments over successive weeks? If someone has some free time to manage tournaments over successive weeks but then has no time later in the year, then should we put tournaments at risk with this rule, at a time when managers are in such short supply?

I would say that we should let Aenea (and others) run tournaments in successive weeks. What do others think?

Aenea
01-04-2011, 07:05 AM
I agree. Managers should be allowed to take tournaments when they have free time and are willing to manage. I can take Sydney, AO (probably) and Zagreb this month but I won't be available in February so I can manage several tournaments this month but none in the next one.

hallso
01-04-2011, 09:15 PM
I think this rule was invented to find new managers
If players see that few tournaments are cancelled, maybe they will start to manage?
But I don't play anymore, so you decide :)

jrm
01-04-2011, 09:39 PM
I can take one (or maybe both) next week :shrug:

Don't think it's fair for managers if one of the tournaments would be cancelled and all players are shifted!

Aenea
01-04-2011, 10:03 PM
My GS template is working :yippee: fixed all errors :worship: ( :scared: )

So I take Sydney, AO and Zagreb if I am allowed.

:wavey:

jrm
01-05-2011, 12:38 PM
I can take Auckland but don't expect up to minute updates :lol:

dinkulpus
01-06-2011, 11:07 PM
Thanks jrm and Aenea :worship::worship::worship:

Aenea
01-07-2011, 09:46 AM
Yeah but the PB hasn't approved yet.

sdtoot
01-07-2011, 10:19 AM
I sent a PM out to the PAW Board members asking whether we should scrap the current rule which restricts the numbers of tournaments which can be taken by any one manager. From the responses that I have received (still awaiting responses from two members), the majority view is that we should drop the current rule and allow anyone to manage as many PAW tournaments as they wish, especially with the current lack of managers in the game.

Therefore, Aenea and jrm are now approved to manage the additional tournaments in January. Thanks guys. :worship:

Aenea
01-07-2011, 11:14 AM
thx, Shaun :)

Marto, you may have missed on this post http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10632538&postcount=15

jrm
01-07-2011, 03:34 PM
So i have the green light for Auckland?

Cava
01-07-2011, 04:14 PM
New player here. I would be happy to give managing a try after AO. Or assist someone to help me learn the ropes.

sdtoot
01-07-2011, 04:21 PM
So i have the green light for Auckland?

Yes - Thank you Tina. :worship:

New player here. I would be happy to give managing a try after AO. Or assist someone to help me learn the ropes.

Feel free to pick a smaller tournament after AO. For your first tournament, try picking an ATP250 event where there are at least two or three tournaments on the same, so that your first tournament has smaller entry numbers. Excel spreadsheets can be downloaded from post #1 of this thread - if you need any help then please don't hesitate to ask. Good luck and thanks.

Aenea
01-07-2011, 04:57 PM
I can assist any new manager. If you wish to run a tournament but you are not sure you can handle it pls feel free to ask me, I'll guide you and assist you through your 1st tournament. I recommend using Evita's PAW templates, if you have decent knowledge of Excel those templates could be a great help.

dinkulpus
01-07-2011, 05:22 PM
New player here. I would be happy to give managing a try after AO. Or assist someone to help me learn the ropes.

Johannesburg :rolleyes:?

Cava
01-07-2011, 08:53 PM
Johannesburg :rolleyes:?

Ok, I'll give it a shot. Maybe send me a PM when it is time to open the thread ;) ?

qczi
01-19-2011, 01:34 PM
i take rotterdam

qczi
01-19-2011, 01:36 PM
and marseille too :cool:

jrm
01-20-2011, 11:19 PM
Costa do Sauipe for me

jervisjames
01-27-2011, 07:20 AM
I'll take Buenos Aires if ok. :)

Cava
01-28-2011, 03:34 PM
Is there a template to start the PAW thread?

Aenea
01-28-2011, 04:50 PM
Any PAW tournament thread for a 250 tournament could be seen as a "template". You can take a look at last years' Johannesburg thread http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=157117 and create your after it. As for keeping track of picks and scores you can use the simple or Evita's template which you can find in the opening post of this thread. You can create the thread at any time and when the draw comes out you can add the scoring points, ATP list, PAW players etc.

Cava
01-28-2011, 09:13 PM
Thanks. I use rankings from 1/17/2011 correct?

Aenea
01-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Yes, it is OK. I think there are no ATP tournaments in the week 17-24 Jan so there is no change in the ranking.

Wojtek
01-30-2011, 07:17 AM
Delray Beach for me

wtatourfan
01-31-2011, 10:58 PM
I would be glad to try managing, but I'll need some help. Is Memphis still free?

dinkulpus
02-01-2011, 01:36 AM
I would be glad to try managing, but I'll need some help. Is Memphis still free?

New managers are always welcome, if you have question just post it here, I'm sure that someone from the board will answer, if I can't :wavey:
Memphis is free :angel:

GasquetGulbis
02-05-2011, 05:53 PM
I might try my hand as managing later in the season, but I have a few questions first. Let's say I decide to do Acapulco (which I'm not), I would have to use the ranking points from the week of Feb 14th, right? So points gained in Marseille etc wouldn't count?

sdtoot
02-06-2011, 08:40 AM
I might try my hand as managing later in the season, but I have a few questions first. Let's say I decide to do Acapulco (which I'm not), I would have to use the ranking points from the week of Feb 14th, right? So points gained in Marseille etc wouldn't count?

Yes, for Acapulco you would have to use the ranking points from Feb 14th because the ATP only updates the official ranking points every Monday. Managers need to display the PAW points scores before the matches start, so the previous weeks ATP rankings always have to be used.

wtatourfan
02-12-2011, 04:14 AM
Is Dubai still free? If so, i´ll take it!

dinkulpus
02-12-2011, 12:28 PM
Is Dubai still free? If so, i´ll take it!

Yes, it's yours, manager needed for Acapulco :wavey:

jrm
02-12-2011, 10:15 PM
I'll take Acapulco then

wtatourfan
02-13-2011, 06:05 PM
i have a question. The PAW will only be valid if sent before the match, right? How am I supposed to know the exact time the match starts? Can I determine a deadline or something?

Aenea
02-13-2011, 06:10 PM
use this site http://xscores.com/tennis/tennis.jsp?sports=tennis&flag=sportData
you can see all start times here

jervisjames
02-14-2011, 03:18 AM
I'll take Houston please.

wtatourfan
02-15-2011, 10:30 AM
Warsaw for me!

dinkulpus
02-15-2011, 12:17 PM
Warsaw for me!

There will not be tournament in Warsaw, so do you want to take Casablanca :wavey:

Aenea
02-15-2011, 12:56 PM
in that case it would be better you updated the calendar on the front page and delete Warsaw from the list and change New Haven to Winston Salem etc
adjust the managers' calendar to the actual ATP calendar

wtatourfan
02-15-2011, 03:13 PM
There will not be tournament in Warsaw, so do you want to take Casablanca :wavey:

i'll take it!

dinkulpus
02-15-2011, 04:10 PM
i'll take it!

Perfect, now we need managers for 3 Masters, Indian Wells, Miami and Monte Carlo :D:p

Aenea
02-15-2011, 04:22 PM
Shaun and I will manage IW+Miami.
I am happy PAW is going so well so far :)
Thank you all who decided to join PAW managing, the game is fun and should be kept alive.

appleGirl
02-15-2011, 07:01 PM
I can try taking Monte Carlo (if it's not too much for a first time...) :)

dinkulpus
02-15-2011, 07:09 PM
I can try taking Monte Carlo (if it's not too much for a first time...) :)

Мaybe the board should take decision here :wavey:

Aenea
02-15-2011, 07:09 PM
I suggest you start with a smaller tournament like 250 with not too many players.

appleGirl
02-15-2011, 07:49 PM
OK :) I'll take Belgrade, then.

sdtoot
02-15-2011, 07:52 PM
I suggest you start with a smaller tournament like 250 with not too many players.

I agree - Try managing one or two smaller tournaments to start with and then if you are happy to take on a bigger workload, you can move to a bigger tournament after that. Good luck.

sdtoot
02-15-2011, 07:52 PM
I will take Miami.

Aenea
02-15-2011, 10:13 PM
OK :) I'll take Belgrade, then.

Nole Open :bounce: Good choice! :yeah: I managed it last year :)

wtatourfan
02-19-2011, 02:50 AM
estoril for me!

wtatourfan
03-25-2011, 01:58 PM
Halle and Eastbourne for me!!

dinkulpus
03-25-2011, 08:13 PM
We need manager for Monte Carlo and Barcelona :help::help:

jrm
03-31-2011, 04:30 PM
Monte Carlo :wavey:

jervisjames
04-02-2011, 03:32 PM
Nice for me if no-one else has taken it. :)

jervisjames
04-04-2011, 01:09 PM
Hi managers, I am wondering why there is a need for people to commit in the commitments thread when all they need to do is post in the actual game they want to play?
Quote: pedroruizbo doesn't need a WC as he placed his request for a WC whilst the commitments list was still open and
Quote:
Players who asked for WC while the commitment list was still open will be treated as if they have already commited on time.

Aenea
04-04-2011, 03:45 PM
Hi managers, I am wondering why there is a need for people to commit in the commitments thread when all they need to do is post in the actual game they want to play?
Because this is how the rules of PAW are.
As for the quote here it is only valid for people who decided to play a tournament at the last possible minute, didn't know if the commitments were still open and were quick to place a request for a WC since you know there are only 5 WC per tournament, sometimes many players are requesting WCs and some don't get one as all WCs have been already given out. This rule that you have quoted is there to prevent wasting a WC on a player who has asked for a WC before the closing date, being unaware that s/he can still commit in the commitment thread. So the WCs are still there for those who are really late.
Those are rare cases though.

sdtoot
04-04-2011, 09:26 PM
The commitments rule is very important to help with PAW management and gives some level of control to ensure that a player can only play at one tournament each week. All managers should (and do) use an EXCEL spreadsheet for PAW management. The spreadsheet is initially set up with a list of players in alphabetical order, so that it is easier for the manager to copy picks from the tournament thread into the spreadsheet. If we just allowed players to enter at random time intervals into the tournament thread, then it would just be a chaotic situation for the manager. We have enough problems getting managers for this game as it stands, so if we don't implement these strict commitment rules in PAW, then you would not have anyone willing to manage this game.

jervisjames
04-05-2011, 08:15 AM
Ok, thankyou. It just seemed strange, but I understand the wasting a WC, I had sent a PM to the player to let them know that the commitments hadn't closed but if he was unable to commit in the thread then I'd just accept the WC.
"PAW Board" posted the rule so I moved the player out of WC, but thought I should follow up the 'why' here.
Cheers.

Boarder35m
04-10-2011, 10:59 PM
I can take Barcelona :wavey:

Thunderfish8
04-11-2011, 02:28 AM
I'll take Rome, but this is my first PAW that I'd be managing. I've managed PAWs on other forums using an excel template (not sure if you guys also use one). If I do it though, can somebody explain to me how to copy and paste from the forum onto the excel spreadsheet. I don't wanna be manually typing each pick into the document. It would take me days. Again, I'll only run Rome if somebody can just briefly explain the basic rules for running (i.e. what posts are necessary on the first page, how to C&P from thread to excel, etc.)

I've been wanting to run one of these for a while now :p

Aenea
04-11-2011, 09:53 AM
I'll take Rome, but this is my first PAW that I'd be managing. I've managed PAWs on other forums using an excel template (not sure if you guys also use one). If I do it though, can somebody explain to me how to copy and paste from the forum onto the excel spreadsheet. I don't wanna be manually typing each pick into the document. It would take me days. Again, I'll only run Rome if somebody can just briefly explain the basic rules for running (i.e. what posts are necessary on the first page, how to C&P from thread to excel, etc.)

I've been wanting to run one of these for a while now :p

we all are using excel templates, of course :rolleyes:

Judging by the question you are asking you are not very familiar with managing a PAW tournament that's why I think it would be better if you first take a smaller tournament, like Munich for example, it still has no manager for this tournament. Starting with a Masters PAW is not a good idea even if you have managed PAW before on other forums.

dinkulpus
04-11-2011, 09:55 AM
I can take Barcelona :wavey:

Welcome to managers club Alex :worship:
Thunderfish8, would like to accept Aenea suggestion for Munich :p

Wojtek
04-11-2011, 10:04 AM
Roland Garros for me

Wojtek
04-11-2011, 10:04 AM
and Munich

Thunderfish8
04-11-2011, 12:22 PM
and Munich

Umm, well, Wojtek already just took Munich... Is there another small one I can run???
Is Belgrade and Estoril taken yet???

Wojtek
04-11-2011, 01:32 PM
Umm, well, Wojtek already just took Munich... Is there another small one I can run???
Is Belgrade and Estoril taken yet???

ok you can take Munich :p

Wojtek
04-11-2011, 01:32 PM
please gave Munich to Thunderfish8

Aenea
04-11-2011, 02:04 PM
ok you can take Munich :p

please gave Munich to Thunderfish8

that's very noble from you, Wojtek :worship: :yeah:

Thunderfish8, in the 1st post of this thread you can see all tournaments listed - which of them are already taken and which don't have managers yet. You can find PAW templates as well. If you have any questions or you need assistance then PM me, I'll help you and guide you through your 1st tournament if you like.

Thunderfish8
04-12-2011, 02:56 AM
On the PAW April Commitments thread, I chose to participate in Belgrade. Since I'm now going to run Munich, should I switch to Munich or just run Munich and play Belgrade????????

Again, sorry for all the questions. :banana: :banana: :banana:

Aenea
04-12-2011, 10:10 AM
You can do as you like. Some managers prefer not to play the tournament(s) they manage (probably because of "Fair final pick" rule or they like the other tournaments draw better) others play the tournament(s) they manage. Of course this is for smaller tournaments, for big tourneys like GS and TMS managers play them.

Aenea
04-12-2011, 09:29 PM
I can manage Madrid

:wavey:


MAY 2
Rome

MAY 9
Madrid

:confused:

I just checked ATP calendar and they have Madrid starting May, 1st and Rome - May, 8th. If that is the case I do Rome.

Thunderfish8
04-13-2011, 01:23 AM
You can do as you like. Some managers prefer not to play the tournament(s) they manage (probably because of "Fair final pick" rule or they like the other tournaments draw better) others play the tournament(s) they manage. Of course this is for smaller tournaments, for big tourneys like GS and TMS managers play them.


I PMed you with a couple questions about the spreadsheets. I've been experimenting with them and I think I know how they will work. I just still don't know how to do one thing: When people post their picks on the thread, is there an easier way to input them into excel than me manually typing each one??? Can I copy and paste?

Aenea
04-13-2011, 07:46 AM
I PMed you with a couple questions about the spreadsheets. I've been experimenting with them and I think I know how they will work. I just still don't know how to do one thing: When people post their picks on the thread, is there an easier way to input them into excel than me manually typing each one??? Can I copy and paste?

I replayed to your PM yesterday and sent you 2 templates. Check your PM. Yes, you can copy/paste the picks from the PAW thread.

Thunderfish8
04-13-2011, 11:40 AM
Oh OK, thanks :wavey:

jervisjames
04-15-2011, 06:35 AM
yes, I use paste special to paste into the spreadsheet, uncheck 'all' and only allow 'text' and 'numbers' (or 'values' on some systems)

actually, I have a quick question of my own.

I noticed that a number of managers are able to show the picks exactly as posted by each player, yet I have to modify the picks to the spreadsheet format.
Using PAW07: Nadal def. Federer as an example, I have to make it look like PAW07:Nadal over Federer (or PAW07 Nadal over Federer) ... whereas jrm's (for instance) pick summary for players would show PAW07: Nadal def. Federer
Can anyone advise me on why this is so? And can the spreadsheet recognise the colon and 'def.' instead of 'over'?

Thanks in advance. :wavey:

Aenea
04-15-2011, 07:23 AM
I guess they are using simple template and this template allows you to enter picks as they are posted on the board. But with this template you have to calculate SP manually and enter each result (points) for each match manually, too.

sdtoot
04-15-2011, 04:39 PM
The PAW Excel spreadsheet which is available to be downloaded from the bottom of post #1 of this thread allows the manager to copy the picks straight from MTF into the spreadsheet without any editing. As Aenea has mentioned, this sheet then requires the manager to manually input all the points scores for every player, so it is more time consuming to update the results. The other version (Evita's PAW Spreadhsheet) requires the picks to be inputted into the spreadsheet using a specific format, so if the players do not write the picks in this format, it can be very time consuming for the manager to enter the picks into the spreadsheet from MTF. However, once the picks have been inputted, then scoring points updates are very quick.

It comes down to personal preference as to which spreadsheet you prefer to use. Many managers (including myself) prefer to use the older version in post #1 of this thread because it is simpler and much faster to copy the players picks from MTF. I prefer to get the picks copied into the sheet and then update the Pick Summary lists on a regular basis so that the players can keep a close track of their picks. It also deters any player from deleting their posts because if their picks are copied into the spreadsheet on a regular basis then any deleted picks can easily be picked up by the manager.

However, if you start your PAW management using Evita's spreadsheet then I'm sure you will get used to it quicker and you will probably find it faster and easier to use in the long run. Good luck with PAW management.

Boarder35m
04-15-2011, 05:32 PM
I need help.
I only have the spreadsheet for 13 and 26 picks but not for 16 picks and I can´t open the zip file. Strangely I can´t buy win zip either, the order always gets deleted. :help:

Can anybody send me the unzipped version of a 16 picks PAW spreadsheet? :wavey:

sdtoot
04-15-2011, 05:58 PM
I need help.
I only have the spreadsheet for 13 and 26 picks but not for 16 picks and I can´t open the zip file. Strangely I can´t buy win zip either, the order always gets deleted. :help:

Can anybody send me the unzipped version of a 16 picks PAW spreadsheet? :wavey:

Alex, Send me a pm with your e-mail address and I will send you a 16 pick sheet.

Boarder35m
04-15-2011, 06:36 PM
Alex, Send me a pm with your e-mail address and I will send you a 16 pick sheet.

Thank you very much Shaun :worship:

Thunderfish8
04-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Hey, just another question:

On Evita's spreadsheet, on the ScoPo page, is there a website that I can copy and paste the rankings from??? I don't really wanna type them all in individually...

HawkAussie
04-18-2011, 08:30 AM
Rome please

dinkulpus
04-18-2011, 04:00 PM
Rome please

I suggest you to take a smaller tournament first :wavey:

Thunderfish8
04-19-2011, 07:45 PM
Is there a bug with Evita's PAW 16 spreadsheets??? When I copy all of the MTF names to column H and fill in the picks, only the wins column appears with numbers. the points column, losses column, and avg. points column remain as just ### or something like that.

I would promise that this is my last question but I really can't because I've made this promise about three time before. :p :p :p

Aenea
04-19-2011, 08:54 PM
If I remember correctly last year Evita told me there were some errors in her 16-picks template and sent me anothet template which she said was fixed. I haven't tried it as I have made my 16-picks template but anyone who is interested can try her template here (http://www.mediafire.com/?wue6q3u0slm2mv9[/url)

BTW for Munich you need a 13-picks template.

Thunderfish8
04-23-2011, 09:13 PM
If I remember correctly last year Evita told me there were some errors in her 16-picks template and sent me anothet template which she said was fixed. I haven't tried it as I have made my 16-picks template but anyone who is interested can try her template here (http://www.mediafire.com/?wue6q3u0slm2mv9[/url)

BTW for Munich you need a 13-picks template.

Is the 13-picks template v.02 ok, or is there a v.03 for that one too???

dinkulpus
04-23-2011, 11:56 PM
Need managers for Rome and Madrid :help:

Thunderfish8
04-23-2011, 11:59 PM
I'll do Rome. I've got all my problems worked out so I'm good.

Thunderfish8
04-24-2011, 12:01 AM
I'll do Rome. I've got all my problems worked out so I'm good.

Actually, I just realized that Matt121 volunteered for Rome on the previous page, so if he IS doing Rome, then I'll take Madrid.

dinkulpus
04-24-2011, 12:02 AM
Actually, I just realized that Matt121 volunteered for Rome on the previous page, so if he IS doing Rome, then I'll take Madrid.

Firstly the board should take decision for Rome, because a new managers should start will small tournaments :p

Thunderfish8
04-24-2011, 12:22 AM
Firstly the board should take decision for Rome, because a new managers should start will small tournaments :p

Yea, that's why I'm doing Munich this week.

By the way, who is on the PAW board, and what is it???

Aenea
04-24-2011, 10:31 AM
Need managers for Rome and Madrid :help:

really?

what about this post of mine http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10932086&postcount=89

whatever. I am stepping down as a PAW manager.

Thunderfish8
04-24-2011, 01:56 PM
really?

what about this post of mine http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10932086&postcount=89

whatever. I am stepping down as a PAW manager.

Yea, aenea is a qualified manager for Rome, how come you bypassed that voluteer?

dinkulpus
04-24-2011, 02:39 PM
really?

what about this post of mine http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10932086&postcount=89

whatever. I am stepping down as a PAW manager.

I'm really sorry I didn't see this post :angel:

Aenea
04-24-2011, 03:14 PM
I'm really sorry I didn't see this post :angel:

yeah sure, neither have you seen the PM I sent you.
Remove me from PAW managers list, as I said in my previous post I am stepping down as a manager.

Thunderfish8
04-24-2011, 04:09 PM
yeah sure, neither have you seen the PM I sent you.
Remove me from PAW managers list, as I said in my previous post I am stepping down as a manager.

Hey, chill out guys :eek: , do you two have like a bad history or something???:confused:

sdtoot
04-24-2011, 09:59 PM
yeah sure, neither have you seen the PM I sent you.
Remove me from PAW managers list, as I said in my previous post I am stepping down as a manager.

Sylvie - I think mmarto193 made a genuine mistake by missing your post, but of course I cannot comment about the missed pm. I do hope you would reconsider your decision to step down as a PAW Manager because you have been one of the best managers we have had in recent times and it would be a shame to lose someone with your PAW management experience.

As has already been stated, new managers should not be allowed to run MS tournaments until they have successfully managed smaller ATP250 or ATP500 tournaments.

If necessary, I can run Madrid or Rome if either one is still available.

dinkulpus
04-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Both are free, because I don't know board decision about Thunderfish8, who want to take Rome, he is now managing Munich and I don't know how many tournament should he has to take a Masters event :wavey:

Thunderfish8
04-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Sylvie - I think mmarto193 made a genuine mistake by missing your post, but of course I cannot comment about the missed pm. I do hope you would reconsider your decision to step down as a PAW Manager because you have been one of the best managers we have had in recent times and it would be a shame to lose someone with your PAW management experience.

As has already been stated, new managers should not be allowed to run MS tournaments until they have successfully managed smaller ATP250 or ATP500 tournaments.

If necessary, I can run Madrid or Rome if either one is still available.

Yea, this was my point, you are the most experienced manager on this thread.
And, I'm running Munich this week (successfully so far) so why can't I do Rome???

sdtoot
04-24-2011, 10:57 PM
Yea, this was my point, you are the most experienced manager on this thread.
And, I'm running Munich this week (successfully so far) so why can't I do Rome???

It's great to see new PAW managers coming on board and you are doing a good job so far in Munich. However, Munich has only 28 players and 13 picks, whereas Madrid/Rome will have >80 players and 16 picks, so it is a big step up in terms of workload for the manager. If you prove to continue doing a good job this week in Munich, then I don't see a problem letting you manage Rome two weeks later.

mmarto193 - Can you change the order for Madrid and Rome in post #1. Madrid is played on May 2nd and Rome is May 9th. Please put me down for Madrid next week if no-one else wants it.

jervisjames
04-27-2011, 09:21 AM
...

However, if you start your PAW management using Evita's spreadsheet then I'm sure you will get used to it quicker and you will probably find it faster and easier to use in the long run. Good luck with PAW management.

Thanks to everyone for their help. I like Evita's spreadsheet as this is what I have used the past couple of tournaments. Now I understand why Frank Winkler's format (p4 john beats jose) is not an issue for other managers as they are already doing a lot of work manually putting the scores in.

Sorry if I have caused any problems with other managers and Frank. Though it seems that he is resistant to change for what ends I am unsure, the world has all types :)
I am the same I suppose but I am at least helpful when I understand the reasons, unlike he. Considering comments I received from other managers, I felt supported in my decision to not accept his picks. I sent him a personal PM and another to the new players and included him. I also provided him with an opportunity to re-submit his picks in the correct format which he declined to do. He was however able to post remarks regarding my management and could point out which posts had his picks listed. Considering his ability to search and post, I believe he is more than capable of posting in the correct format and tried to manipulate me with his explanation of being unable to read or type well due to poor sight. :bs:

(I am just bringing this up here so there is reference for the future if need be.)

sdtoot
04-27-2011, 06:55 PM
Thanks to everyone for their help. I like Evita's spreadsheet as this is what I have used the past couple of tournaments. Now I understand why Frank Winkler's format (p4 john beats jose) is not an issue for other managers as they are already doing a lot of work manually putting the scores in.

Sorry if I have caused any problems with other managers and Frank. Though it seems that he is resistant to change for what ends I am unsure, the world has all types :)
I am the same I suppose but I am at least helpful when I understand the reasons, unlike he. Considering comments I received from other managers, I felt supported in my decision to not accept his picks. I sent him a personal PM and another to the new players and included him. I also provided him with an opportunity to re-submit his picks in the correct format which he declined to do. He was however able to post remarks regarding my management and could point out which posts had his picks listed. Considering his ability to search and post, I believe he is more than capable of posting in the correct format and tried to manipulate me with his explanation of being unable to read or type well due to poor sight. :bs:

(I am just bringing this up here so there is reference for the future if need be.)

I only became aware of this issue after reading the above post. My concern here is that the official PAW rules do not stipulate that picks must be posted in a specific format. The rules state:-

You must post your prediction in the format “Murray over Federer” or “Murray def Federer,” it must be clearly specified who you have predicted to win. If you posted “Murray vs Federer” this pick would be deemed invalid. You are also required to specify the full surname of the players - no abbreviations or nicknames please.

Now I fully understand that Evita's PAW spreadsheet requires that picks must be entered in the correct format. The managers who use this spreadsheet make extra effort to request that players post their picks in the correct format but there are always a handful of players who forget to post their picks using this format. However, I don't ever recall picks being refused by a PAW manager on this basis because the PAW rules are not specific on this issue. Even in Tennis Tipping (where the majority of managers use Evita's TT spreadsheet) the managers accept that some players will send picks in the wrong format and I don't ever recall a players picks being refused by a manager on this basis. When I have managed in TT, I am happy if 80-90% of the players send in the correct format.

Historically, we have always struggled for managers in PAW, so we need to do everything possible to try to keep the PAW managers workload to a minimum. I would always prefer to side with the manager when we have difficult issues with a particular player but on this issue, I am not comfortable with the decision which was taken and I worry that we could set a dangerous precidence for the future - should every manager now refuse to accept picks if they are not posted in a specified format?

What do other managers think about this issue?

Aenea
04-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Refusal of accepting picks is a result of some players' stubbornness and unwillingness to help the managers by posting their picks in a required by the manager formatting. Some players who have posted their picks in their own formatting have been asked politely to re-format their picks. Some have done it others refused. If we let one to post her/his picks as they wish then why don't we let everyone to do so? Next time I'll post my picks in the format "1 Montanes kicks out Djokovic" – it is “clearly specified who you have predicted to win”, no? Or I post something like "7 Murray smashes Ramos".
Where do we end up going this road? I can assure you that for example Frank Winkler’s unwillingness to post his picks as everyone else does is annoying for many players as well.
I am not saying formatting should be exactly like in the PAW rules, I have never asked players to not write : or to count 6 characters before actual pick. But at least they can write PAW before the number and then "over" or "def".

Some of the players take the managers for granted and treat them like servants. It is true that we are volunteers but still there should be respect from both sides. One of the reasons for me to pull out of PAW is that exact arrogance that some are showing towards the managers. Another reason is that I feel no support from other managers when there is some conflict with a player. Last year I was bashed and accused of not being a fair manager and the only one who stood for me was Greg. I do believe I am a reliable and fair manager and always treat my players with respect and they are all equal to me. Being accused of not being fair really hurt me. But what hurt me more was other managers silence on the matter (except for Greg of course; thank you, Greg :wavey: ).

Look at TT managers, they are really a community, they discuss TT, help each other, they stick together at least that is my view on their relationships from what I read in their thread (I don’t play TT, true that, but I read TT threads many times in an effort to finally understand how is this game being played that’s why I know their managers thread).

Well I think I said everything I wanted to say on the matter. As an ex-manager my opinion probably doesn’t matter but still in case somebody is interested …

Frooty_Bazooty last year suggested "a warning system for disruptive players who abuse managers or are disrespectful". Nobody backed him. That speaks volumes about PAW managers community.

Thunderfish8
04-27-2011, 11:09 PM
I'll Run Rome!

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:11 PM
Of course managers are taken for granted and some players expect everything to be served on a silver platter (example: one of the players asked me to highlight the matches that are going to be played the next day; there is ATP site and order of play posted every day). It's not my resposibility to do that nor is keeping track what people have picked (it's not that difficult to open document like WordPad or NotePad and keep the track of your picks yourself); we only need to update scoring points and when we have time, league table!

And when you sacrifice a lot of your free time and have players complaining about posting 'useless stuff' it makes you want to quit! Some have thick skin and are not bothered, some take it more personally.

I never demanded players to post in one format only although some players tend to have bad habits; since i'm not that handy with Excel it really doesn't matter how you post your picks cause i do it manually hence the mistakes!

But i do believe managers should have more power and decide if certain player has crossed the line and can be kicked out for that particular week or deciding if retired match would count or not!

I feel sorry that you feel like that about other managers, Slyvie! Whenever i have asked Shaun about something (and i have asked A LOT) he was always kind to reply and help me! Normally i only do my thing as a manager and don't bother to keep tracks what's happening in other tournaments.

Aenea
04-27-2011, 11:15 PM
I'll Run Rome!

To be honest so far you are not doing well with a small tournament lke Munich let alone a Masters.

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:19 PM
Historically, we have always struggled for managers in PAW, so we need to do everything possible to try to keep the PAW managers workload to a minimum. I would always prefer to side with the manager when we have difficult issues with a particular player but on this issue, I am not comfortable with the decision which was taken and I worry that we could set a dangerous precidence for the future - should every manager now refuse to accept picks if they are not posted in a specified format?

What do other managers think about this issue?

Is there other way :eek: i always copy picks into Excel file and later add points manually :shrug: don't see doing it differently would decrease my time invested in PAW :lol:

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:25 PM
I can run Rome if no one else wants it :shrug:

Aenea
04-27-2011, 11:29 PM
I feel sorry that you feel like that about other managers, Slyvie! Whenever i have asked Shaun about something (and i have asked A LOT) he was always kind to reply and help me! Normally i only do my thing as a manager and don't bother to keep tracks what's happening in other tournaments.

Yes, they do, all of them are there for me when I have questions - you, Greg, Shaun. I learned from you.
But I am speaking about situations when there are conflicts with players (I had a few). Everyone has read the "Fair final pick" thread where I was accused again of "tyranny" :eek: and not being a fair manager. Everyone has read that and only Greg backed me.
Why would I go into all this trouble like managing a big tournament and then that? Why should I spend time with re-formatting somebody's picks only because s/he is lazy/stubborn and just do copy/paste from the SP post?
Yeah, I better sit comfortable in my chair and post my picks and don't bother with managing. Only players have rights. OK then I become only a player.

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:34 PM
What i don't like as a manager:

players picking matches before qualifiers are placed (qualifier over XYZ) and then replacing or cancelling picks when points are up

when players do picks in early rounds in several posts (copying is painful enough)

gaps between picks (you need to copy one by one insted of all at once)

when you make a mistake(s), proper tone should be used, i'm only human

Aenea
04-27-2011, 11:39 PM
I can run Rome if no one else wants it :shrug:

yeah, you better do that. I promise to not write picks like "Murray kicks out Ramos" :D

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:41 PM
Yes, they do, all of them are there for me when I have questions - you, Greg, Shaun. I learned from you.
But I am speaking about situations when there are conflicts with players (I had a few). Everyone has read the "Fair final pick" thread where I was accused again of "tyranny" :eek: and not being a fair manager. Everyone has read that and only Greg backed me.
Why would I go into all this trouble like managing a big tournament and then that? Why should I spend time with re-formatting somebody's picks only because s/he is lazy/stubborn and just do copy/paste from the SP post?
Yeah, I better sit comfortable in my chair and post my picks and don't bother with managing. Only players have rights. OK then I become only a player.

True, we need more rules and i for one i'm favour PAW rules should be decided between PAW managers only!

Again, because i'm ignorant, but why would you need to re-format picks :shrug: of course i have noticed Frank's (let's say) peculiar way of posting the picks but as i said, i manually add points in Excel file so it doesn't matter what format is used!

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:43 PM
yeah, you better do that. I promise to not write picks like "Murray kicks out Ramos" :D

Well, i would expect better things from a manager :p

Thunderfish8
04-27-2011, 11:43 PM
To be honest so far you are not doing well with a small tournament lke Munich let alone a Masters.

Explain??? :confused:
Sounds kinda weird since you just ranted about managers supporting each other.

P.S. Forgive me for breaking the rule of editing posts.
Again, not to be an a--hole, (and I know I'm being hypocritical given the fact that I gave you kudos in those PMs) but since you're not a manager anymore, what qualifies you to ban me from managing a masters?


Please tell me EXACTLY what I did wrong! :mad:

Aenea
04-27-2011, 11:52 PM
True, we need more rules and i for one i'm favour PAW rules should be decided between PAW managers only!

Again, because i'm ignorant, but why would you need to re-format picks :shrug: of course i have noticed Frank's (let's say) peculiar way of posting the picks but as i said, i manually add points in Excel file so it doesn't matter what format is used!

There is this Evita's template which is very very helpful and easy to manage a tournament even a big one but it requires the picks to be input in exact formatting PAW01 Murray over Federer. It could be PAW 1, PAW1:, etc but it must be exactly 6 characters before the actual pick and the word "over" between the surnames of both players. This is how the program works. Excel has many tools which allow you to re-format picks but if I must to add PAW before the number I must do it manually.

jrm
04-27-2011, 11:55 PM
There is this Evita's template which is very very helpful and easy to manage a tournament even a big one but it requires the picks to be input in exact formatting PAW01 Murray over Federer. It could be PAW 1, PAW1:, etc but it must be exactly 6 characters before the actual pick and the word "over" between the surnames of both players. This is how the program works. Excel has many tools which allow you to re-format picks but if I must to add PAW before the number I must do it manually.

so if PAW01 Murray over Federer is worth 12 points, adding one will automatically add points to all who have picked this match?

Aenea
04-27-2011, 11:57 PM
Explain??? :confused:
Sounds kinda weird since you just ranted about managers supporting each other.

P.S. Forgive me for breaking the rule of editing posts.
Again, not to be an a--hole, (and I know I'm being hypocritical given the fact that I gave you kudos in those PMs) but since you're not a manager anymore, what qualifies you to ban me from managing a masters?


Please tell me EXACTLY what I did wrong! :mad:

Oh, pls, don't try be sarcastic. If you have read your thread you would have known that Tina told you already about your mistakes. You are counting invalid picks, posting a wrong League Table, the tournament started Sunday and on Tuesday night there was still no League Table, there are no ATP players ranking points so nobody knows what are you calculating in the Scoring points. You have mistakes and instead trying to fix them you come over here looking for fighting.

Aenea
04-28-2011, 12:04 AM
so if PAW01 Murray over Federer is worth 12 points, adding one will automatically add points to all who have picked this match?

Yes, this template has 2 sheets (3 with the instructions). In the 1st, ScoPo sheet all points for each match are calculated automatically by the program after you enter the draw. After a match is complete you only need to write "1" if the first name in the fixture wins or "2" if the second one wins. The program automatically distributes points to those who have picked this match and won and distributes "0" to the ones who chose it and lost. It also "transfers" the winner of the match to the next round and when his opponent is "transferred" as well it calculates the SP immediately. No mistakes.

jrm
04-28-2011, 12:10 AM
Too scienctific for my taste; i'll stick with my way that served me good so far :p

Aenea
04-28-2011, 12:17 AM
Too scienctific for my taste; i'll stick with my way that served me good so far :p

:lol:

Believe it or not my reaction was exactly the same when I first read the instructions. I also tried the simple template and managed few tournaments like that but was too time-consuming. Then I started reading the instructions again. Believe me it is easier than it looks or sounds. Excel like Word is a magic program once you learn it.

Thunderfish8
04-28-2011, 12:22 AM
Oh, pls, don't try be sarcastic. If you have read your thread you would have known that Tina told you already about your mistakes. You are counting invalid picks, posting a wrong League Table, the tournament started Sunday and on Tuesday night there was still no League Table, there are no ATP players ranking points so nobody knows what are you calculating in the Scoring points. You have mistakes and instead trying to fix them you come over here looking for fighting.

1. Who's Tina? Is that Cheeky Chick?
2. I have an updated leaderboard with the mistake FIXED. I even went and deleted any picks that had players who previously lost within them. Everybody is checking the picks summary because of the whole Haase Nieminen Gremelmayr mess.
3. I'm not looking for a fight. I respect you, so I'm kind of surprised to see you lash at me like that...
4. I wasn't aware that ranking points were needed on the ATP Player post. I'm using Evita's template, foolproof, I can't make any calculation errors. and I worship the person who has time to look and check over the scoring points besides the manager (me :wavey:)
5. How is the league tournament wrong?? I call it a leaderboard, big deal.
6. I update after every ROUND, not every day, although since that appears to be wrong, I've been updating daily since then. Excuse me for not updating Sunday night after ONE match was played.

I really don't want to pick a fight with you. You know more about this than me, and I'm trying my best. Although, I think this is good, because I'll be more prepared the next time I run a PAW tournament.

jrm
04-28-2011, 12:35 AM
:lol:

Believe it or not my reaction was exactly the same when I first read the instructions. I also tried the simple template and managed few tournaments like that but was too time-consuming. Then I started reading the instructions again. Believe me it is easier than it looks or sounds. Excel like Word is a magic program once you learn it.


It even calculates odds, automatically :eek:

but i must admit, i love doing it myself :p

jrm
04-28-2011, 12:35 AM
i'm Tina :p

Aenea
04-28-2011, 12:38 AM
@Thunderfish8

Tina is jrm. Did Cheeky Chick also told you about the mistakes?

You have deleted the invalid picks NOW but before that you have calculated and posted a LT (call it whatever you want) which included those invalid picks which made that LT wrong. I have never said you had to make an update after every mach but between Sunday and Tuesday night there were many matches played. Of course there have to be ATP players ranking points posted so everyone knows what ranking you are using and to check on you if s/he wishes. I have been checked by players many times if I do right calculations. Nobody says your calculations are wrong but it has to be clear what ranking points you are using.
Yes, I check on you as I do with every new manager I teach for his/her first tournament. I'd back you to manage any tournament if you prove to be a fit manager. I am not banning you from anything just for the time being I don't think you are ready to manage a Masters. If you wish you can heed in what I am saying and learn to be a good manager or you can proceed looking for a fight.

Thunderfish8
04-28-2011, 12:43 AM
@Thunderfish8

Tina is jrm. Did Cheeky Chick also told you about the mistakes?

You have deleted the invalid picks NOW but before that you have calculated and posted a LT (call it whatever you want) which included those invalid picks which made that LT wrong. I have never said you had to make an update after every mach but between Sunday and Tuesday night there were many matches played. Of course there have to be ATP players ranking points posted so everyone knows what ranking you are using and to check on you if s/he wishes. I have been checked by players many times if I do right calculations. Nobody says your calculations are wrong but it has be clear what ranking points you are using.
Yes, I check on you as I do with every new manager I teach for his/her first tournament. I'd back you to manage any tournament if you prove to be a fit manager. I am not banning you from anything just for the time being I don't think you are ready to manage a Masters. If you wish you can heed in what I am saying and learn to be a good manager or you can proceed looking for a fight.

Allright, I'll put in ranking points. I'll try a couple other small tournys and then maybe try Shanghai or Paris if i feel up to it.
To be clear, am I updating the "league table" after every round, or every day???

Aenea
04-28-2011, 12:50 AM
Usually every day after all matches are completed.

sdtoot
04-28-2011, 01:05 AM
Lots of discussion tonight!!

The point I was trying to raise earlier this evening is that we have a well defined set of rules for PAW but there isn't a rule which gives the manager the jurisdiction to not count a players picks or disqualify a player from a tournament because that players picks were not posted in the desirable format. One of the reasons that I have spent little time playing around with Evita's PAW spreadsheet is that I knew that persuading players to post their picks in a specific format was always going to be difficult. Since the start of this game 7 or 8 years ago, most PAW managers have used the old style spreadsheet (where points need to be manually inputted) so the format of the picks has not been a major issue to both managers and players. I have been playing PAW for 3-4 years and have always posted in the format PAWX: Player1 def Player2 and I can tell you that it is very easy to forget to post picks in another format when it has been requested for some tournaments. Let's say I did post my picks in the wrong format, then should my picks not be counted or should I be disqualified from a tournament? I personally would be gutted if I lost a title because some of my 'wrong format' picks were not accepted by the manager.

I do agree with Aenea that PAW managers are often treated with little or no respect from a small number of players. On these occassions, it is important that the manager reports any incidents onto this thread, so that they can be dealt with by the PAW Board. My major gripe at the moment is that virtually none of the players give any thanks the manager on the tournament thread at the end of the game. When I first started managing PAW tournaments over 3 years ago, I would say that at least a quarter of the players thanked the manager for their work when posting their final pick. Yet when I managed in Miami a few weeks ago with nearly 100 players, I could barely remember more than a couple of thank-you's from the players. When you have given up many hours of your time during the week to run the tournament, then it is a very depressing feeling to get very little recognition from the players.

Some forum games have no problem recruiting managers but PAW has always struggled to get a decent crop of managers. If this game is to survive, then we mustn't be too critical of new managers such as Thunderfish8 because it is very easy to make mistakes in your first few managed tournaments and that is the very reason why we encourage new managers to start off with the smaller tournaments. When it comes to the GS's and ATP Masters tournaments (which are mandatory in the PAW rankings), then the players are much less forgiving if mistakes are made or if updates are not carried out on a daily basis.

At the end of the day, all the PAW managers are all volunteers and we should try to give each other as much help and respect so that the game will survive into the future.

Aenea
04-28-2011, 01:35 AM
Shaun, really would you risk losing a title only out of stubbornness? Because I do believe Frank Winkler is not unable to write PAW instead of p but just doesn't want to do it. He has written several long posts on that matter and then insists for him 2 additional letters are too difficult to write. As I said Excel has many tools to re-format the picks but if the manager goes through all the trouble with coping and inputting hundreds of picks why can't players going into "trouble" of writing 2 more letters. FW has been asked many times to only write PAW instead of p and he has refused to do that. It is not that he is forgetting he literally doesn't want to do it.
Cases like that have put me off PAW. BTW FW is the only player who refused to do it. I have had 2 more players like that and they both changed the formatting after I asked them.

I gave you a good rep for Miami :p does it count? Here a :kiss: for good night though it is morning already where I live.

:wavey:

Thunderfish8
04-28-2011, 01:58 AM
Shaun, really would you risk losing a title only out of stubbornness? Because I do believe Frank Winkler is not unable to write PAW instead of p but just doesn't want to do it. He has written several long posts on that matter and then insists for him 2 additional letters are too difficult to write. As I said Excel has many tools to re-format the picks but if the manager goes through all the trouble with coping and inputting hundreds of picks why can't players going into "trouble" of writing 2 more letters. FW has been asked many times to only write PAW instead of p and he has refused to do that. It is not that he is forgetting he literally doesn't want to do it.
Cases like that have put me off PAW. BTW FW is the only player who refused to do it. I have had 2 more players like that and they both changed the formatting after I asked them.

I gave you a good rep for Miami :p does it count? Here a :kiss: for good night though it is morning already where I live.

:wavey:

Frank Winkler kinda had a bit of a fit on the Munich PAW page if anybody wants to take a look. He says that "back in his day when PAW first came around" nobody gave a crap about the format. I don't exactly have the balls or authority to speak up to him. I've somehow managed to get him to write paw instead of p (thanks to jervis and one other person who kindly explained his problem to him).

I'm using Evita's template and I'm willing to take the time to reformat picks to an extent. As long as the pick somewhat resembles having 6 characters then the pick using the word "over", i'm fine, but he is kinda dickish about it. Has he ever managed??

jrm
04-28-2011, 01:08 PM
Saying thank you or any other kind word during or finish of PAW tournament is a boost as well as a let down if no one says anything! But after a while you get use to it, it's part of the game i guess! Confession: i have never thanked in any tournament i was playing :o

I wonder how would PAW players respond if all managers would just take a break for a month? Interesting development :devil:

jrm
04-28-2011, 01:11 PM
Yeah, let's skip Madrid next week :devil:

dinkulpus
04-28-2011, 03:45 PM
So jrm takes Rome, right? :wavey:

sdtoot
04-28-2011, 06:33 PM
So jrm takes Rome, right? :wavey:

Yes, I think jrm should take Rome, but this is no disrespect to Thunderfish8 who is doing a good job at his/her first tournament in Munich.

dinkulpus
04-28-2011, 06:39 PM
Now we need managers for grass season :wavey:

jrm
04-29-2011, 03:20 PM
Rome is 16 picks?

Aenea
04-30-2011, 07:46 AM
yeah, 16-picks, Tina. All Masters except for IW and Miami are 16-picks.

jervisjames
05-03-2011, 09:04 AM
I will have some time on my hands for a month or two, so happy to take on Newport and Wimbledon (if no-one objects...)

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-03-2011, 11:36 PM
I will take Queens Club

but is there an easy way of calculating picks and organizing everything instead of doing everything manually?

sdtoot
05-04-2011, 09:18 AM
I will take Queens Club

but is there an easy way of calculating picks and organizing everything instead of doing everything manually?

Two versions of Excel spreadsheet are available for download from the bottom of Post #1 in this thread. One version (by Evita) is a fully automated spreadsheet which does everything automatically for the manager but you do need to spend some time playing around with this spreadsheet to learn how it works. The other older version is a more manually based sheet which is very fast to copy in the picks from MTF but requires the manager to manually type in all the scoring points (it is faster to use the Excel search function whilst doing this). Evita's sheet also works out the PAW scoring points once you have typed in each players ranking points.

Personally, I still prefer the old sheet but more PAW managers are starting to use Evita's sheet and they say it is much quicker to use once you have used it a few times.

KoOlMaNsEaN
05-14-2011, 02:54 AM
I will also take Atlanta

Yves.
05-21-2011, 09:56 AM
Where's the PAW Roland Garros thread?

sdtoot
06-06-2011, 12:46 AM
I will take s-Hertogenbosch.

hallso
06-08-2011, 02:59 PM
There are quite a lot mistakes in RG PAW thread, which affect final table
I'm terribly sorry to say that, but in my opinion we can't have Wojtek as manager of bigger tournaments

sdtoot
06-11-2011, 12:53 PM
There are quite a lot mistakes in RG PAW thread, which affect final table
I'm terribly sorry to say that, but in my opinion we can't have Wojtek as manager of bigger tournaments

Until I just read this post, I didn't realise that there was a problem with the managament at RG. I see that Wojtek has updated the LT and Picks Summary posts in the past 24 hours, so I guess that these issues have now been sorted.

Greg, what specific problems were there at RG? As you know, finding PAW managers for the very big tournaments is not easy, so it would be useful for us to know more information before any decisions are taken for the future. Thanks in advance.

jrm
06-26-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm claiming :wavey:

Stuttgart
Hamburg
Umag

purtov45
06-28-2011, 01:06 AM
I will take Bastad

appleGirl
06-28-2011, 09:58 AM
I can take Los Angeles

sdtoot
07-01-2011, 09:02 PM
I will take US Open.

Hamstory
07-05-2011, 01:51 AM
I will take Gstaad.

jrm
07-22-2011, 09:31 PM
Kitzbuhel :wavey:

appleGirl
07-25-2011, 02:21 PM
I'll take Washington.

purtov45
07-30-2011, 02:31 PM
I will take Montreal

sdtoot
08-12-2011, 11:40 PM
Nobody able to run Cincinnati next week?

hallso
08-13-2011, 10:10 AM
I can make guest appearance :cool:

dinkulpus
08-13-2011, 12:12 PM
I can make guest appearance :cool:

Thanks hallso for help :worship:

sdtoot
08-13-2011, 01:08 PM
I can make guest appearance :cool:

Cheers Greg. :hatoff:

dinkulpus
08-20-2011, 03:06 AM
Anyone for Winston Salem :sad:

jrm
08-20-2011, 09:57 PM
I'll do it :wavey:

need some info ... 16 picks?

jrm
08-20-2011, 09:59 PM
When do matches start CET? AT 17.00 or 22.00 and later?

sdtoot
08-20-2011, 10:20 PM
I'll do it :wavey:

need some info ... 16 picks?

Thanks Tina, yes it is a 48(64) draw so 16 picks.

jrm
08-20-2011, 10:26 PM
is that the infamous Salem :devil:

jrm
08-20-2011, 10:27 PM
Sunday start means commitment could be closed in about 30 minutes?

sdtoot
08-20-2011, 10:50 PM
Sunday start means commitment could be closed in about 30 minutes?

Commitments close at Saturday midnight local time which is 6 hrs 10 mins from now (4am GMT).

Cava
09-12-2011, 03:34 PM
Hmmm. No managers yet for Bucharest or Metz.

I can take one of these provided its ok that the leaderboard may not get updated for semifinal/final results until Monday morning.

dinkulpus
09-13-2011, 10:43 PM
I can take this decision, we should wait Shaun answer :wavey:

sdtoot
09-14-2011, 12:28 AM
I can take this decision, we should wait Shaun answer :wavey:

Cava, take your pick - there are no other volunteers. Thanks for your help.

Cava
09-14-2011, 03:05 PM
I should take Bucharest for the least amount of time problems. Metz being indoor will probably run very late at night for me causing delay in calculating scoring for each days matches.

Can I play in the same tournament I manage?

sdtoot
09-14-2011, 06:11 PM
I should take Bucharest for the least amount of time problems. Metz being indoor will probably run very late at night for me causing delay in calculating scoring for each days matches.

Can I play in the same tournament I manage?

Yes no problem. Good luck.

dinkulpus
09-16-2011, 01:56 AM
Anyone for Metz :scared:

coolfish1103
09-18-2011, 04:09 PM
Anyone for Metz :scared:

I'll do Metz because I am playing in it.

Don't expect too much from a first time manager, though.

kingroger
09-18-2011, 08:49 PM
Marto:
Are the scores updating automatically in the PAW spreadsheet or do I have to sort them manually??

Also, do I have to add the points a player gets (in case the pick is right) in the column next to "Players picks" or can I enter the points somewhere generally?

Managing doesn't seem that hard though... If you answer these questions I'll might do one PAW event :)

sdtoot
09-18-2011, 10:56 PM
Marto:
Are the scores updating automatically in the PAW spreadsheet or do I have to sort them manually??

Also, do I have to add the points a player gets (in case the pick is right) in the column next to "Players picks" or can I enter the points somewhere generally?

Managing doesn't seem that hard though... If you answer these questions I'll might do one PAW event :)

kingroger,

In the example PAW spreadsheet downloadable from post #1 of this thread, you have to enter the players points into the column next to the players picks (0 pts if the pick is incorrect). You sort the league table by highlighting columns H4 to AB?? in the league table and then sorting on the points column L (Descending).

Evita's PAW spreadsheet is also downloadable from post #1 and this has more automated functions but is more complicated to use.

coolfish1103
09-19-2011, 01:29 PM
Is there a minimum forum status to play PAW?

Do I have to remind someone to request for a Wild-Card if he/she is not committed?

Cava
09-19-2011, 02:04 PM
I don't understand question 1 - I think the answer is no.
For WC, yes if they aren't committed you should tell them they first need to request WC before their picks can be accepted.

sdtoot
09-19-2011, 02:11 PM
coolfish,

Yes, what Cava wrote is correct - anyone can play PAW on MTF. There are no restrictions for membership timelength or number of posts.

If a player posts PAW picks without having first committed to play at that tournament, then I normally send them a pm telling them that I cannot accept their picks until they have requested a WC on the tournament PAW thread. It is the responsibility of the player to request a WC - the manager shouldn't automatically give them a WC (although I have seen this happen many times in the past).

Aenea
09-22-2011, 11:05 AM
I'll help with PAW next week and will run both tournaments.

sdtoot
09-22-2011, 12:35 PM
I'll help with PAW next week and will run both tournaments.

Thank you Sylvie. :worship:

dinkulpus
09-22-2011, 12:38 PM
Ok noted I can't update first page because I'm on holiday.
So we need managers for Tokyo and Beijing

Aenea
09-22-2011, 10:05 PM
Thank you Sylvie. :worship:

yeah, well, at the start of this season I agreed to join PAW board and help the game so I still feel responsible.

sdtoot
09-27-2011, 01:53 PM
I will run Shanghai.

jervisjames
09-28-2011, 02:02 PM
I can take one for next week. And if no-one takes the other, then I'll do both, but it will be the last for me this year. I will take some of the AustralAsian tournaments next year. :wavey:
I have no preference for Tokyo or Beijing.

coolfish1103
09-29-2011, 10:41 AM
I can take one for next week. And if no-one takes the other, then I'll do both, but it will be the last for me this year. I will take some of the AustralAsian tournaments next year. :wavey:
I have no preference for Tokyo or Beijing.

Just do Beijing, I'll take care of Tokyo.

dinkulpus
09-30-2011, 05:58 PM
Thanks both of you :worship:

njnetswill
10-01-2011, 04:45 PM
A big thank you to all the managers :worship:

jervisjames
10-02-2011, 04:22 AM
Thanks coolfish! Much appreciated!!!!

qczi
10-03-2011, 09:26 AM
i'll do stockholm

purtov45
10-12-2011, 04:07 AM
IMPORTANT - A manager is needed for next weeks tournament at Moscow
I will run Moscow

Thunderfish8
10-12-2011, 04:19 AM
I can do Valencia and/or Vienna.

I'd prefer Valencia, but if managers are needed I can also do Vienna.

I did run a PAW earlier this year in Munich, so I know what's expected of me.

dinkulpus
10-12-2011, 05:29 AM
I can do Valencia and/or Vienna.

I'd prefer Valencia, but if managers are needed I can also do Vienna.

I did run a PAW earlier this year in Munich, so I know what's expected of me.

Ok if no one want to run Vienna till the end of next week, you will take it :p

jrm
10-12-2011, 09:02 PM
I can do Vienna :D

qczi
10-22-2011, 09:02 AM
i see we still havent got a manager for next week's st. petersburg. i'll take it then

ufiors
10-22-2011, 12:42 PM
I will begin with Moscow

hallso
10-22-2011, 02:16 PM
I will begin with Moscow

but it is in almost 12 months, maybe something earlier? :p

Aenea
10-30-2011, 08:38 AM
I will run Basel but since I have not planned to do so I will need some time to prepare my sheets. Thank you.

P.S. If there are no other volunteers for Bercy I will run it as well as the last tournament of the season before the TMC.

kingroger
10-30-2011, 10:26 AM
Sdtoot:
I might be able to take care of the Commitment threads for
Next year... :wavey:

sdtoot
10-30-2011, 11:55 AM
I will manage TMC London, which will be my farewell tournament playing PAW. :)

It is with some regret that I have to announce that from next year, my personal circumstances will change which will make it very difficult for me to continue playing the games on the the forum. I will still occassionally access the forums, so I am happy to stay on as a member on the PAW Board and I may manage the occassional PAW tournament next year if my job allows me.

This has been my fifth successive season playing PAW and I have put a lot of personal time and effort into helping this game stay on track over recent years. I really do hope that some others can step forward next year and help to keep this great game alive.

Finally, I would like to thank a few people for their support of the game during the years whilst I have been playing. In particular, I would like to thank Greg (hallso), Rob (robuś), Caio (Caio Brasil), Tina (jrm) and Sylvie (Aenea) for all their dedication and hard work which they have put into the game over recent years. I think sometimes we take for granted the work that these guys have put into the game, so it is important we all recognise the valuable contribution which is made by the people who dedicate their time to this game - just a simple 'Thank you' once in a while or when you post your last pick is very much appreciated by the manager.

Thanks and best wishes to everyone for the future.
Shaun :wavey:

Sdtoot:
I might be able to take care of the Commitment threads for
Next year... :wavey:

Many thanks for your kind offer to help out. :worship: If you could send me a pm with your e-mail address, then I will send you a spreadsheet which you can use to run the PAW commitments for next season.

hallso
10-30-2011, 12:22 PM
it's not good enough but
I'll just say: Thank you very much, Shaun
I'm sure you know what's behind that

best wishes to you :)

kingroger
10-30-2011, 03:36 PM
I received the spreadsheet so i will take care of the commitments from next year on :wavey:

sfar
10-30-2011, 03:39 PM
It's a shame we wont see you as much as we used to over here. Hope this new situation in life fulfils you personally and hope you can manage to come again as an active member shortly.

Good luck!!

Aenea
10-30-2011, 10:03 PM
Shaun,

Thank you very much for all the help and assistance you provided for me as a PAW manager. The game will miss you, so will we. You are a great PAW manager :worship:
I wish you all the best and hope to see you around from time to time at least!

:wavey:

Caio_Brasil
11-02-2011, 06:24 PM
I will manage TMC London, which will be my farewell tournament playing PAW. :)

It is with some regret that I have to announce that from next year, my personal circumstances will change which will make it very difficult for me to continue playing the games on the the forum. I will still occassionally access the forums, so I am happy to stay on as a member on the PAW Board and I may manage the occassional PAW tournament next year if my job allows me.

This has been my fifth successive season playing PAW and I have put a lot of personal time and effort into helping this game stay on track over recent years. I really do hope that some others can step forward next year and help to keep this great game alive.

Finally, I would like to thank a few people for their support of the game during the years whilst I have been playing. In particular, I would like to thank Greg (hallso), Rob (robuś), Caio (Caio Brasil), Tina (jrm) and Sylvie (Aenea) for all their dedication and hard work which they have put into the game over recent years. I think sometimes we take for granted the work that these guys have put into the game, so it is important we all recognise the valuable contribution which is made by the people who dedicate their time to this game - just a simple 'Thank you' once in a while or when you post your last pick is very much appreciated by the manager.

Thanks and best wishes to everyone for the future.
Shaun :wavey:


:yeah: thanks and best of luck!

jervisjames
11-08-2011, 10:07 AM
Yes, Best of luck Shaun. I've only been around for 12 months or so, but I know how much time and dedication it takes to run even the smallest of games online (and PAW is not small!) and between yourself and a few others, the game has been very successful. I hope we can all keep up the high standards while you are away. :angel:

jervisjames
11-09-2011, 12:32 AM
Suggestions for next year...

1/ if we are struggling with managers, should we reduce to 1 tournament each week like happens for suicide tennis? Currently around 65 tournaments a year, would reduce to 40 tournaments, but perhaps not a good solution as still could be hard getting managers some weeks with the risk of not having a tournament.

2/ seeing as November had only Paris to commit. Perhaps for the future adding this to end of October to save a bit of time for everyone. I'd suggest this for any month that only one tournament is going to be played.

Aenea
11-09-2011, 01:13 PM
I am against 1st suggestion as this will limit players chances of winning points. Reducing the number of tournaments to 1 per week will also increase the number of players per tournament which may lead to managers not willing manage it as it is easier managing a tournament with ~30 players than with 60+. Now we have managers who prefer to run smaller tournaments who may withdraw if they need to always manage a tournament with a Masters field.

sdtoot
11-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Suggestions for next year...

1/ if we are struggling with managers, should we reduce to 1 tournament each week like happens for suicide tennis? Currently around 65 tournaments a year, would reduce to 40 tournaments, but perhaps not a good solution as still could be hard getting managers some weeks with the risk of not having a tournament.

2/ seeing as November had only Paris to commit. Perhaps for the future adding this to end of October to save a bit of time for everyone. I'd suggest this for any month that only one tournament is going to be played.

1. Aenea raises some valid points with regard to possibly reducing the number of PAW tournaments next year. I think that every effort should be made to continue playing all the ATP tournaments once again next year.

2. Yes this is a very sensible suggestion for the end of next year. In hindsight, I regret not adding Paris to the October commitments thread and it would certainly have eliminated some of the commitment problems which we have seen earlier this week.

coolfish1103
11-10-2011, 07:20 AM
2. Yes this is a very sensible suggestion for the end of next year. In hindsight, I regret not adding Paris to the October commitments thread and it would certainly have eliminated some of the commitment problems which we have seen earlier this week.

It may reduce the problems but it's really the player's fault for not looking for the thread once November hits...

purtov45
11-15-2011, 06:34 AM
Shaun
Thanks, good luck!

In 2011: 60 tournaments of calendar ATP have been lead all. My offer. To not play tournaments ATP250 if in parallel there is tournament ATP500. Such tournaments in a season 2011 was 6: San Jose, Sao Paulo, Marseille, Buenos Aires, Delray Beach, Atlanta.

robuś
11-15-2011, 07:52 PM
Thank you Shaun and good luck :hug:
I wasn't very active last years, and qualifying to the Tour Finals again is certainly not helping with taking decision to leave.

Aenea
11-28-2011, 07:51 PM
it would be good if this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10601473&postcount=2) post gets fully updated by the thread's "manager" so we know who did what and who has experience in managing big events.

dinkulpus
11-28-2011, 07:53 PM
it would be good if this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10601473&postcount=2) post gets fully updated by the thread's "manager" so we know who did what and who has experience in managing big events.

Will do it tonight totally forgot for this one, sorry :sad:

hallso
11-28-2011, 08:18 PM
I have file with all winners, 2nd places and managers from this season
I'll update this (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=90767) post today

dinkulpus
11-28-2011, 10:04 PM
Post 2 is updated :wavey:

jervisjames
12-11-2011, 04:32 AM
1. Aenea raises some valid points with regard to possibly reducing the number of PAW tournaments next year. I think that every effort should be made to continue playing all the ATP tournaments once again next year.

2. Yes this is a very sensible suggestion for the end of next year. In hindsight, I regret not adding Paris to the October commitments thread and it would certainly have eliminated some of the commitment problems which we have seen earlier this week.

1. Totally agree with Aenea too. :)

2. Not your fault. I will ask though... why is it that we don't have threads for each month set up at the beginning of the year? That way when people remember to commit, they can do this at their leisure? I see that a problem would be numerous committments by players who then don't play, but I see this happening now anyway even with only a couple of weeks before the start of the month. Maybe add a penalty for players who commit and then don't withdraw officially (-50pts first offence, -100pts second offence and -200pts if it happens any more times). I could manage a players penalty thread if needed and send point deductions to the scores manager.