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Harrison changes coaches like others change socks.(update)

Henry Chinaski
11-08-2010, 11:22 PM
(latest info in final post)

Seems a strange one. Anyone have any more background info?

(Didn't see another thread)

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=8698&zoneid=25

navy75
11-08-2010, 11:46 PM
In a million years I wouldn't have seen this one coming. Harrison's dad was a former NCAA player and is a teaching pro who has/is developing excellent players in Ryan and his brothers, while Harrison's work outside of his dad has been at the Bollettieri Academy. There is no way that I would have thought that Harrison would wind up with a former doubles specialist from outside of that network. Harrison is a natural volleyer, so the best that I can figure is that he thinks that Damm will somehow add to that aspect of his game.

Good luck to the Harrison/Damm partnership!

Henry Chinaski
11-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Actually, wonder if Voo does statistical tribute for doubles players. Voo?

Slam winner and 40 career titles definitely meets the criteria

Orka_n
11-09-2010, 12:50 AM
Man, I hope this is the right choice for Ryan. Having a good coach in the upcoming years will be absolutely essential.

Voo de Mar
11-09-2010, 06:19 PM
Actually, wonder if Voo does statistical tribute for doubles players. Voo?


According to my criteria Damm doesn't deserve a tribute thread only because he never won an ATP tournament in singles, however 5-time finalist (without a chance to win one of those finals) :p

He had some notable results as a singles player though. I saw him for the first time in the 2nd round of Wimbledon '92 (on Court No. 1 if I remember well), it was just his 8th tournament on the main level and he played a 5-setter against Becker who had played Wimbledon finals in the 4 previous editions. It was a shocker that Damm forced him to play 5 sets. We would have expected more from the Czech after that...

He hasn't played a singles match since 2002 but I think he was a poor man's Bjorkman: decent baseliner, solid volleyer who possessed good reflex, but without the finesse and he was too heavy to move fast on clay courts, he was actually useless there albeit on this surface he won his first Challenger '91 - Warsaw (a curiosity: the first Challenger in Poland), but he was only 20 so probably much more faster then without excessive weight :)

DanaKz
11-09-2010, 06:49 PM
Old news! :D
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=169895&highlight=damm

_Chaz
11-09-2010, 06:50 PM
Post can be deleted, sry.

DanaKz
11-09-2010, 06:53 PM
First reason - little brother Christian is back in action and as he will play junior level and Ryan is moving into Pro they decided to find somebody new. Martin worked in Bradenton and they have very good relationship with him.
Also I suppose it was Martin decision to bring Ryan to Europe to try new horizons (Ryan will play challengers in Bratislava and Helsinki), because US challengers became too familiar to Ryan.

DanaKz
11-09-2010, 06:57 PM
Only thing I am concerning about is lack of Martin's experience. As I say in previous thread, Ryan need improver, not motivational speaker. And Ryan need someone who can teach him play on baseline.
But right now Ryan need any help he can get as he know what his father can give him and there have to be new step.
And Ryan need someone who know life in Tour.
Martin can be good at this level.

fran70
11-17-2010, 03:06 AM
According to my criteria Damm doesn't deserve a tribute thread only because he never won an ATP tournament in singles, however 5-time finalist (without a chance to win one of those finals) :p

He had some notable results as a singles player though. I saw him for the first time in the 2nd round of Wimbledon '92 (on Court No. 1 if I remember well), it was just his 8th tournament on the main level and he played a 5-setter against Becker who had played Wimbledon finals in the 4 previous editions. It was a shocker that Damm forced him to play 5 sets. We would have expected more from the Czech after that...

He hasn't played a singles match since 2002 but I think he was a poor man's Bjorkman: decent baseliner, solid volleyer who possessed good reflex, but without the finesse and he was too heavy to move fast on clay courts, he was actually useless there albeit on this surface he won his first Challenger '91 - Warsaw (a curiosity: the first Challenger in Poland), but he was only 20 so probably much more faster then without excessive weight :)

I agree with your post.I will miss him too. I was really impressed by his tennis the first time I saw him in AO in 1997. Good luck for him in his life after tennis.

Filo V.
11-17-2010, 05:26 AM
I like this combination in terms of volleying/aggressive forward mentality/overall net ability, but I think he also needs a baseline coach to truly have the best coaching to continue to develop his game. Martin wasn't the best (good, but not the best) of volleyers himself but what he is, is a solid professional, a smart guy, and he seems like the type who would get the most of his pupils, so I wish the pairing good luck.

fast_clay
11-17-2010, 05:38 AM
smart move... damm will most likely be on for a couple of years max imo... cos looks like in damm they've found someone familiar who can tour europe with ease, a smart career move, cos lets face it, europe's where it's at if you wanna develop a game for the world tour... well done harrison... gotta salute the yanks who cross the atlantic and do some hard time...

GeoMaster
11-18-2010, 09:31 AM
Ryan is in the trouble :D

Henry Chinaski
11-18-2010, 01:31 PM
smart move... damm will most likely be on for a couple of years max imo... cos looks like in damm they've found someone familiar who can tour europe with ease, a smart career move, cos lets face it, europe's where it's at if you wanna develop a game for the world tour... well done harrison... gotta salute the yanks who cross the atlantic and do some hard time...

definitely. There's only so much you can learn on the US Challenger circuit playing seemingly the same guys on the same surface every week.

Look at Donald Young.

At the age of 21 he's already played Robert Kendrick ten times, Bobby Reynolds eight times, Tim Smyczek eight times, Jessie Levine six times, Jessie Witten five times, Lester Cook four etc etc...99% of those on hard courts.

I don't see how anyone could develop as a player in such an environment

HKz
11-18-2010, 01:37 PM
I think it was a good choice for Ryan to get someone really experienced with the tour. Good luck though~

loopback
11-18-2010, 03:09 PM
God Damm

Henry Chinaski
11-18-2010, 03:31 PM
win ^^^^

Action Jackson
11-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Harrison can finally taste a good beer as well.

Henry Chinaski
11-18-2010, 03:48 PM
Introducing him to Pilsner Urquell wouldn't be a good idea. Ain't possible to just have a couple of those...

navy75
01-31-2011, 08:18 PM
Harrison looks mediocre in Adelaide and then loses in straights to Mannarino at the AO and people are quick to call this pairing a disaster. Now he wins Honolulu a week later and jumps 40 spots and it is labeled a great coaching fit. Obviously we won't know the long term effects for some time to come, but it shows how fickle tennis perceptions can be from one week to the next.

KaiserT
02-13-2011, 01:52 AM
Well, that didn't last long :lol:

Ryan splits with Damm and back to dad.

Smoke944
02-13-2011, 02:15 AM
:spit: Interesting, I wonder why?
Guess his dad will coach and travel for now, but it probably won't be long before he picks a new traveling coach. He should go big for this next coach, really pick someone with experience developing big players.

BodyServe
02-13-2011, 11:48 AM
Dammit.

sagroove
02-14-2011, 02:35 PM
Well, that didn't last long :lol:

Ryan splits with Damm and back to dad.

How did you find this out? I believe you, just curious

Henry Chinaski
02-14-2011, 03:15 PM
here's a badly written article from tennis.com

http://tennis.com/articles/templates/default.aspx?a=10512&template=print-article.htm

fast_clay
02-14-2011, 03:38 PM
he should do a stint with someonelike bob brett... seasoned coach based in europe well tuned to developing simple but heavy skill sets in touring pros... harrison's already a very well rounded player, just needs to bring some armour piercing power to a serve and/or a forehand...

scoobs
02-14-2011, 03:49 PM
here's a badly written article from tennis.com

http://tennis.com/articles/templates/default.aspx?a=10512&template=print-article.htm

Redundant. Practically a tautology

hotdog
02-14-2011, 05:01 PM
What's badly written about it? I get....American teenager Ryan Harrison has split with coach Martin Damm and is traveling with his father and coach Pat again, TENNIS.com has learned.

The 18-year-old Harrison was working with USTA coaches Jay Berger and Diego Moyano much of last year, but decided to hire Damm after qualifying for the U.S. Open, where he upset 17th seed Ivan Ljubicic and took Sergiy Stakhovsky to five sets. Damm works out of the IMG-owned Nick Bollettieri Academy, where he and his younger brother Christian train and his father works.

But Harrison had a slow start to 2011, qualifying for Brisbane but then losing in the opening round to Robin Soderling, and then played poorly in a straight-set loss to Adrian Mannarino at the Australian Open.

He then traveled to Honolulu alone and won the Challenger there, pushing his ranking to a career high No. 140.

On Saturday in Memphis, he lost to Germany's Bjorn Phau in the first round of qualifying.

Harrison will play doubles in Memphis with Andy Roddick. Considered one of the American's top prospects, Harrison is looking for a new coach.—Matthew Cronin

Henry Chinaski
02-14-2011, 05:13 PM
This sentence:

"Damm works out of the IMG-owned Nick Bollettieri Academy, where he and his younger brother Christian train and his father works."

Unless Damm also has a brother called Christian and a father working at Nick B's I'm unaware of.

hotdog
02-14-2011, 05:19 PM
Oh I see...that's Americans for you.

hotdog
02-14-2011, 05:21 PM
...and I thought you were going to highlight the spelling mistakes...lol

sagroove
02-15-2011, 03:54 AM
:spit: Interesting, I wonder why?
Guess his dad will coach and travel for now, but it probably won't be long before he picks a new traveling coach. He should go big for this next coach, really pick someone with experience developing big players.

Ryan Harrison should immediately beg Brad Gilbert be his full time coach! Enough said!

Smoke944
03-02-2011, 04:10 AM
Ryan is starting to work with Christo van Rensburg.

tennis2018
03-02-2011, 01:43 PM
I recently spoke with Pat Harrison & though he did not mention Martin Damm he did mention that Ryan needed help with his emotions...I have watched Ryan play on several occasions now & the temper & language is scary...on each occasion Pat's hair has gotten grayer...hoping Martin's tour experience can get the boy over this hurdle

sagroove
03-03-2011, 02:49 AM
Ryan is starting to work with Christo van Rensburg.

When was this officially announced? Jesus...Ryan H is going through coaches like dirty socks!!

Henry Chinaski
03-05-2011, 10:13 PM
well that didn't last long

http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/ticker.aspx?articleid=10892&zoneid=6

Henry Chinaski
12-03-2011, 12:27 PM
Now he dumped Scott McCain

too good this kid

Nathaliia
12-03-2011, 12:37 PM
he should try luck with donalnd young's mom

Bobby
12-03-2011, 03:01 PM
Not looking too good. A young player needs a long time coach in order to build something good. Too many changes just confuses in the long run.

timafi
12-03-2011, 05:41 PM
Not looking too good. A young player needs a long time coach in order to build something good. Too many changes just confuses in the long run.

he ain't confused but arrogant

guichard
12-05-2011, 01:37 PM
Breaking news: Ryan Harrison will be working with Grant Doyle, who formerly coached Sam Querrey. He's in Austin, where Doyle is based, now
https://twitter.com/#!/zootennis/sta...76862814621696

Kworb
12-05-2011, 01:45 PM
Great news.

Henry Chinaski
12-05-2011, 06:07 PM
The problem might be that Harrison's father is the one really calling the shots.

would love to hear what damm/van rensburg/mccain had to say about this

sagroove
12-05-2011, 11:58 PM
The problem might be that Harrison's father is the one really calling the shots.

would love to hear what damm/van rensburg/mccain had to say about this

I would have to say that you are 100% SPOT ON with this post! At the end of the day, Pat Harrison is calling the shots as long as Ryan listens to him. Remember Ryan is now 19 turning 20 next year and will be making his own decisions OR he will soon discount what his father thinks and do what HE wants period!

Apparently he has relocated to Austin, bought a house there, and is working with Grant Doyle on a fulltime basis.

We will see how this works out for him. Judging on his past coaching relationships, this could be another short term deal.

Henry Chinaski
10-15-2012, 08:48 PM
Bye bye Grant Doyle.

Doyle just announced the split on Twitter

misty1
10-15-2012, 08:59 PM
the kid's gone through4 coaches in 2 years..is he really that hard to handle?

J99
10-15-2012, 09:15 PM
the kid's gone through4 coaches in 2 years..is he really that hard to handle?

I think it's usually the player who get's rid of the coach and not the other way around, cause you know, the player is paying for their coach, so they can do whatever they want.

misty1
10-15-2012, 09:17 PM
yeah but i've heard of coaches dumping players. And even so there's got to be a reason that he cant make things work and it cant be all the coaches fault

bobbynorwich
10-16-2012, 08:31 AM
Seeing how Harrison dropped 8 ranking places lately and had a horrible Asian tour, it was predictable. But did Doyle drop Harrison or Harrison drop Doyle?

Maybe Roddick will coach him, Harrison's like a lapdog when around him.

DanaKz
10-16-2012, 08:34 AM
Larry Stefanki?

J99
10-16-2012, 08:45 AM
His game's been going backwards lately anyway, time to change it if it isn't working, maybe he will put more thought into hiring his next one.

Henry Chinaski
07-26-2013, 02:34 AM
Tres Davis is the latest to be hired then fired.

Harrison is back in the USTA system and has done some work with Brad Gilbert lately apparently

GameSetMatch!
07-26-2013, 02:51 AM
He's had a solid tournament in Atlanta so hopefully it's helping!

Smoke944
07-26-2013, 02:54 AM
Tres Davis is the latest to be hired then fired.

Harrison is back in the USTA system and has done some work with Brad Gilbert lately apparently

At least Gilbert is probably blunt about everything.