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who has the most to prove in tomorrow's final?

anticaria
09-13-2010, 02:03 AM
rafa or nole?

let's see:

*rafa leads nole 14:7..

*rafa also leads nole 4:0 at the majors, which means 4:0 in best-of-five matches..

*nole has never even pushed rafa to a 4th set..

*rafa's beaten nole in their biggest hc final to date: '08 olympics

*3 of rafa's hc losses to nole came during the spaniard's slump last summer-fall, a time when he was still struggling with lack-of-confidence and lack-of-match-toughness issues..

*rafa has won multiple majors over the greatest player of his generation (rogi) on all 3 slam surfaces: clay, grass and hc..

*rafa'll be trying to complete his career slam tomorrow by asserting his all-surface dominance over the atp and winning his 9th major..



*nole leads rafa 7:3 on hc..

*nole will be trying to win only the 2nd major of his career by proving he's no one-slam-wonder, after coming up short against both rafa and roger at the majors so many times in the past..

*as if that were not enough, nole will be trying to prove he can actually beat rafa at the majors..



looks like both guys have something to prove tomorrow, but seeing as how rafa's already won majors on all surfaces, completing the career grand slam may be a mere technicality for him.. which means that the one with the most to prove may be nole.. i.e., rafa's already beaten roger at all other majors and on all slam surfaces so that winning the uso may turn out to be a tad anticlimactic for the multiple-slam champion..

nole, however, has yet to prove he can win multiple slams.. and this may be the biggest hurdle of them all for him..


bottomline: nole's never even won multiple slams and he's never beaten rafa at the majors.. so despite his 7:3 edge over rafa on hc, nole still has the most to prove tomorrow.. and while rafa has the rest of his career to merely complete a career slam, nole's running out of time in his no doubt frantic quest to prove he's not a one-slam wonder..

theseth1119
09-13-2010, 02:07 AM
Although, Rafa and Chokvic have only ever meet at the FO 3x and W 1x, never on hard courts until now (never even meet in the AO)and I think Chokovic has enough of an edge to beat Rafa here.

Brick Top
09-13-2010, 02:20 AM
Obviously Rafa?! And will this fucker above stop calling Novak like that, as you could see he didnt choke against your beloved "Rogie"...

emotion
09-13-2010, 02:23 AM
I was just about to say that

really, Federer is twice the choker Djokovic is, no idea how the idea of Djoker as a huge choker started

coonster14
09-13-2010, 02:32 AM
Rafa for sure, he is playing for history tomorrow.

- Becoming the 7th man to win all four majors
- Becoming the 2nd man after Agassi to win the career Golden Slam
- Winning 3 majors in one year (last man to do that was Roger in 2004,2006,2007)
- Winning at least 2 majors on HC, grass and clay

The magnitude of the amount of pressure placed on Rafa's shoulders will be something he has never experienced, this will be undoubtedly one of the biggest moments of his career, and besides, the bookies have Rafa as the favourite which makes sense as he will be very well rested, he has not dropped a set all tournament, has an improved serve and has an 8-2 W/L record in major finals.

Nole, he has nothing to lose, if he can just go out onto the court with a positive mindset and plays Rafa the way he has played him on HC as in the past, he will be a very tough opponent, his game matches up well with Rafa. Also, now with the final being played on Monday, he will be better rested. Nole will definitely be relishing this chance to add a second major onto his resume and get that 'one slam wonder' tag off his back.

I think Rafa still wins tomorrow though, but it won't be easy, I'll go with Rafa in 5 sets, Rafa just looks like so motivated and when Rafa has that hungry look in his eyes, watch out!!! He will be very tough to stop, will Nole be mentally and physically strong enough to hold off Rafa? I can not wait to watch and find out. VAMOS & AJDE!!!

Soliloque
09-13-2010, 02:37 AM
Djokovic has the most to prove.
Nadal has the most to lose.

osmonde
09-13-2010, 03:31 AM
Djokovic has the most to prove.
Nadal has the most to lose.

This.

Filo V.
09-13-2010, 03:54 AM
Rafa has the most to prove. Basically, he has to prove he can beat a top hard court player he struggles with whose been playing well, when he has questions of being in the final solely due to a weak draw, injuries and poor performance and fatigue of others. Beating Nole like he did in the Olympics would really quiet a lot of doubters, and prove that he is one of the best not just on hard court, but to ever play the game of tennis professionally.

born_on_clay
09-13-2010, 11:38 AM
Rafa has to prove nothing :angel:

anticaria
09-13-2010, 12:31 PM
Rafa has the most to prove. Basically, he has to prove he can beat a top hard court player he struggles with whose been playing well, when he has questions of being in the final solely due to a weak draw, injuries and poor performance and fatigue of others. Beating Nole like he did in the Olympics would really quiet a lot of doubters, and prove that he is one of the best not just on hard court, but to ever play the game of tennis professionally.



rafa has beaten roddick, nole, murray, and roger on hc, grass and clay.. on hc, he's beaten nole at the olympics and roger in one of the greatest aussie open finals of all time.. i don't think the guy has anything to prove on hc or any other surface against anyone, especially with 8 majors, including wins on all 3 slam surfaces, clay, grass and hc (the first man of his generation to achieve such a feat), and olympic gold already under his belt.. rafa also won the '08 wimbledon final, a match instantly touted the reatest final ever.. all of which means rafa's already proven he's one of the best to ever play the game of tennis, not just on clay, but on any surface..

that's why i still think nole has the most to prove today in attempting to dispel the notion that's he's nothing more than a one-slam wonder whose only slam title came at the expense of jo-willy tsonga.. :shrug:

all rafa has to prove is that he can win the uso.. that's all.. however, after reaching 3-consecutive uso semis, it was only a matter of time before he won this thing anyway, and no one ever doubted he would eventually..

not to mention the fact that nole trails rafa by 7:14 lifetime and needs to prove he can reverse that staggering h2h deficit..

anticaria
09-13-2010, 01:18 PM
Djokovic has the most to prove.
Nadal has the most to lose.



i can certainly agree with this..


rafa is on the brink of completing a milestone most players only dream of, so that failing to do so after such a dramatic run these past 2 weeks would represent a very disappointing blow..

while..

nole is attempting to prove he can actually win more than one slam and do something about reversing his staggering h2h deficit against rafa, including 0:4 at the majors..

the former has the most to lose, the latter has the most to prove..

munZe konZa
09-13-2010, 02:37 PM
Rafa has the most to prove. Basically, he has to prove he can beat a top hard court player he struggles with whose been playing well, when he has questions of being in the final solely due to a weak draw, injuries and poor performance and fatigue of others. Beating Nole like he did in the Olympics would really quiet a lot of doubters, and prove that he is one of the best not just on hard court, but to ever play the game of tennis professionally.

that match in the olympics Nole completelly dominated but he played fun with it too much and lost. Nole completelly dominates these matches but Rafa has a way of defense that deeply irritates and distracts to come from behind.

Persimmon
09-13-2010, 04:56 PM
Nadal, of course. Can he still win HC titles? Has not won a title on HC in over 18 months.:eek::o

peribsen
09-13-2010, 05:01 PM
Djokovic, of course, he has to prove AO 08 wasn't a once-on-a-lifetime event.
Rafa has already made his name in the history of the sport, more than all other players barring the six guys who still have more slams than him, so that any further win is only about piling more success into his trunk. In contrast, Djoko is still fighting for something else than a relatively very minor role in tennis history.

Sophocles
09-13-2010, 05:05 PM
Djokovic, of course, he has to prove AO 08 wasn't a once-on-a-lifetime event.
Rafa has already made his name in the history of the sport, more than all other players barring the six guys who still have more slams than him, so that any further win is only about piling more success into his trunk. In contrast, Djoko is still fighting for something else than a relatively very minor role in tennis history.

Exactly. But the question is, even given all that, is he as hungry as Nadal? If not, that could be the main reason he remains something of a footnote.

Singularity
09-13-2010, 05:09 PM
*3 of rafa's hc losses to nole came during the spaniard's slump last summer-fall, a time when he was still struggling with lack-of-confidence and lack-of-match-toughness issues..
Equally one of Novak's losses came when he was playing his first even masters final, and the other came at the 2007 Masters Cup, when he was mentally and physically shot, tanking all three of his RR matches.

finishingmove
09-13-2010, 05:13 PM
a win here would mean a lot for both.

slightly more for rafa imo

anticaria
09-13-2010, 05:27 PM
Nadal, of course. Can he still win HC titles? Has not won a title on HC in over 18 months.:eek::o

well, he just made the us open final without dropping a set.. what do you think?

btw.. there's a good reason rafa hasn't won a hc title since iw last year.. his tendinitis fiasco last spring-summer totally fcked up his '09 summer-fall hc season as he struggled with lack of confidence and lack of match toughness well into 2010..

Sapeod
09-13-2010, 05:35 PM
Djokovic has more to prove.
Has he still got it to win slams?

Although if Nadal can get through a match without faking a timeout or taking hours between points he'll prove something as well - that he can play without cheating or faking.

peribsen
09-13-2010, 06:14 PM
Although if Nadal can get through a match without faking a timeout or taking hours between points he'll prove something as well - that he can play without cheating or faking.

If you think Nadal has to prove he is capable of getting huge wins without cheating (evidence, please?) or faking, it means you haven't been following tennis much thee last few years...

Just which FO you think he didn't deserve to win? Which of his two Wimbledon's? You think he schooled Murray this year undeservedly? Really? As for AO 09, I saw rafa pummel federer, don't know what you saw...

Sapeod
09-13-2010, 06:21 PM
If you think Nadal has to prove he is capable of getting huge wins without cheating (evidence, please?) or faking, it means you haven't been following tennis much thee last few years...

Just which FO you think he didn't deserve to win? Which of his two Wimbledon's? You think he schooled Murray this year undeservedly? Really? As for AO 09, I saw rafa pummel federer, don't know what you saw...
Nadal takes way too much time between points, which, IS cheating.
Also fake timeouts every now and then.
The fake timeout against Perzschner at Wimbledon was disgusting, especially since Petzschner was hurting too, which is why he didn't deserve to win this year's Wimbledon.

brent-o
09-13-2010, 06:34 PM
I think Novak has much more to prove. Nadal has already proven himself time and time again, that he can win multiple Slams and take down the greatest players in the world. Novak had us believing that early on, but backslid for a bit. I think this is his chance to prove it again (Not that I want him to :p).

TheWall
09-13-2010, 06:37 PM
Djokovic needs to prove that he's not a one-slam wonder, and that he's still the better hardcourt player.

Nadal (I suppose) wants to prove that Verdasco is not the only top10 player he can beat in New York.