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US Open Boys Final: [WC]Jack Sock [USA] def. [10]Denis Kudla [USA] 3-6 6-2 6-2

Mario Sharapov
09-11-2010, 08:40 PM
American domination.

[10]Denis Kudla [USA] vs. [WC]Jack Sock [USA]

Kudla defeated the reigning French Open champion Velotti in the SF and Sock defeated the reigning Wimbledon champion Fucsovics in the SF. :lol:

The future of American tennis? Discuss. :p

EDIT: US Open Boys Final: [WC]Jack Sock [USA] def. [10]Denis Kudla [USA] 3-6 6-2 6-2

TennisOnWood
09-11-2010, 08:42 PM
After 4 years with no player in 1/2 they bloody needs them

Chip_s_m
09-11-2010, 08:53 PM
Sock has been impressive. Hasn't lost a set and has only been taken to three tiebreakers.

Roddickominator
09-11-2010, 08:58 PM
Sock played Chuidinelli in R1 of the main draw as well...he looked decent after he shook his nervousness in the first set. Good serve, decent forehand and decent at net. Really has to work on the backhand. It was pretty obvious that he wasn't accustomed to ATP level pace of shot, but he shows promise. Might be better off going to college to develop.

Never seen Kudla play.

FormerRafaFan
09-11-2010, 09:18 PM
I told y'all American tennis wasn't dead. I was sure it was just in a slump and new talent was on the rise. Looks like I was right :)

Pea
09-11-2010, 09:25 PM
Uh, it's only juniors. Calm down.

gbmkc
09-11-2010, 09:56 PM
The list of Juniors champions who never won a major is long.

Ozone
09-11-2010, 09:59 PM
Word. Harrison, Sock, Kudla, Cox, Querrey is still pretty young

Mario Sharapov
09-12-2010, 06:37 PM
US Open Boys Final: [WC]Jack Sock [USA] def. [10]Denis Kudla [USA] 3-6 6-2 6-2

misty1
09-12-2010, 06:39 PM
Uh, it's only juniors. Calm down.

thank you

we'll see if this translates into anything or if he fades away as so many junior grandf slam champions or great juniors have

Snowwy
09-12-2010, 06:41 PM
Uh, it's only juniors. Calm down.

Yeah, he probably shouldnt even have posted the result..:rolleyes:

Sock actually won a futures event on clay last year.

Andre♥
09-12-2010, 07:22 PM
Donald Young was one of the most impressive juniors ever. Look where he is now...

Johnny Groove
09-12-2010, 07:29 PM
Donald Young was one of the most impressive juniors ever. Look where he is now...

Inside the top 100?

SHB
09-12-2010, 07:41 PM
Inside the top 100?

Yeah, he's not the first person I'd cite as an example of a player who couldn't make the transition from juniors to pro tennis.

Besides, Sock is a different animal physically.

Start da Game
09-12-2010, 07:44 PM
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Pirata.
09-12-2010, 07:49 PM
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What's your point?

Start da Game
09-12-2010, 07:51 PM
What's your point?

maybe the thread should be taken to boystennisforum dot com if it exists or at least some other section of mtf.......

Sapeod
09-12-2010, 07:52 PM
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Last time I checked Sock and Kudla were male.

Sapeod
09-12-2010, 07:53 PM
Congrats to Sock.

I hope he becomes a great player and is a regular on the tour.

Tommy_Vercetti
09-12-2010, 07:58 PM
Donald Young was one of the most impressive juniors ever. Look where he is now...

Yeah, after he turned professional. I will never understand why the juniors allow that. Then again, there is something very pathetic about competing in juniors tournament when you have judged yourself good enough to go professional and accept sponsor money.

Helevorn
09-12-2010, 08:05 PM
take a look at the last 6 years USO junior champions:

2010 Sock (best ranking 644)
2009 Tomic (209)
2008 Dimitrov (184)
2007 Berankis (119)
2006 Lojda (178)
2005 Sweeting (111)

Chip_s_m
09-12-2010, 08:46 PM
take a look at the last 6 years USO junior champions:

2010 Sock (best ranking 644)
2009 Tomic (209)
2008 Dimitrov (184)
2007 Berankis (119)
2006 Lojda (178)
2005 Sweeting (111)

Thanks for pulling those stats. Here are the other slams. Junior grand slam winners at any of the tournaments in recent years haven't done very much at all at the ATP level.

Australian Open:

2010 Tiago Fernandes (645)
2009 Yuki Bhambri (321)
2008 Bernard Tomic (209)
2007 Brydan Klein (174)
2006 Alexandre Sidorenko (145)
2005 Donald Young (73)

Roland Garros:

2010 Augustin Velotti (670)
2009 Daniel Berta (1171 lol)
2008 Yang Tsung-Hua (275)
2007 Vladimir Ignatik (156)
2006 Martin Klizan (183)
2005 Marin Cilic (9)

Wimbledon:

2010 Marton Fucsovics (1424)
2009 Andrey Kuznetsov (163)
2008 Grigor Dimitrov (184)
2007 Donald Young (73)
2006 Thiemo De Bakker (40)
2005 Jeremy Chardy (31)


Of the last 24 junior grand slam champions, only 4 have entered the top 100, and only 3 the top 50. Now, obviously a lot of these guys will end up entering the top 100, but only one of these 24 really looks like he's capable of competing at the top level (Cilic). I'd be surprised if any of these other guys end up winning slams. Junior grand slam results just aren't that relevant anymore (rankings either).

The bottom line is that results on the pro tour are the only good indicators. It's notable that of active adult Grand Slam winners (Fed, Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic, Hewitt, Del Potro, Moya, Ferrero, and Gaudio...I think that's all, let me know if I forgot any) only two won junior grand slams (Fed and Roddick). It is fair to say, however, that junior grand slams certainly used to matter. Check out the US Open junior champs from 1998 - 2004 (in order):

Nalbandian
Nieminen
Roddick
Muller
Gasquet
Tsonga
Murray

That's a solid list. Some wimbledon champs during this time period were Fed, Melzer, Mahut, and Monfils. RG had Gonzalez, Coria, Mathieu, Gasquet, Wawrinka, and Monfils. The AO had Pless, Roddick, Tipsarevic, Baghdatis, and Monfils. Those are some good pros.

Do we really think a lot of the recent junior champs will make it to the top of the game? Almost all will be able to support themselves as pros. Many will make the top 100. However, only a small few will regularly be able to make the 2nd week of slams. That just didn't used to be the case. I have no idea why junior grand slams aren't as indicative of pro success as they used to be, but it certainly could be an interesting discussion, although we may have to wait a few years to really take a look at how some of the recent junior champs end up doing on tour.

Mario Sharapov
09-12-2010, 09:22 PM
Thanks for pulling those stats. Here are the other slams. Junior grand slam winners at any of the tournaments in recent years haven't done very much at all at the ATP level.

Australian Open:

2010 Tiago Fernandes (645)
2009 Yuki Bhambri (321)
2008 Bernard Tomic (209)
2007 Brydan Klein (174)
2006 Alexandre Sidorenko (145)
2005 Donald Young (73)

Roland Garros:

2010 Augustin Velotti (670)
2009 Daniel Berta (1171 lol)
2008 Yang Tsung-Hua (275)
2007 Vladimir Ignatik (156)
2006 Martin Klizan (183)
2005 Marin Cilic (9)

Wimbledon:

2010 Marton Fucsovics (1424)
2009 Andrey Kuznetsov (163)
2008 Grigor Dimitrov (184)
2007 Donald Young (73)
2006 Thiemo De Bakker (40)
2005 Jeremy Chardy (31)


Of the last 24 junior grand slam champions, only 4 have entered the top 100, and only 3 the top 50. Now, obviously a lot of these guys will end up entering the top 100, but only one of these 24 really looks like he's capable of competing at the top level (Cilic). I'd be surprised if any of these other guys end up winning slams. Junior grand slam results just aren't that relevant anymore (rankings either).

The bottom line is that results on the pro tour are the only good indicators. It's notable that of active adult Grand Slam winners (Fed, Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic, Hewitt, Del Potro, Moya, Ferrero, and Gaudio...I think that's all, let me know if I forgot any) only two won junior grand slams (Fed and Roddick). It is fair to say, however, that junior grand slams certainly used to matter. Check out the US Open junior champs from 1998 - 2004 (in order):

Nalbandian
Nieminen
Roddick
Muller
Gasquet
Tsonga
Murray

That's a solid list. Some wimbledon champs during this time period were Fed, Melzer, Mahut, and Monfils. RG had Gonzalez, Coria, Mathieu, Gasquet, Wawrinka, and Monfils. The AO had Pless, Roddick, Tipsarevic, Baghdatis, and Monfils. Those are some good pros.

Do we really think a lot of the recent junior champs will make it to the top of the game? Almost all will be able to support themselves as pros. Many will make the top 100. However, only a small few will regularly be able to make the 2nd week of slams. That just didn't used to be the case. I have no idea why junior grand slams aren't as indicative of pro success as they used to be, but it certainly could be an interesting discussion, although we may have to wait a few years to really take a look at how some of the recent junior champs end up doing on tour.

A more complete stats here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=159447

Chip_s_m
09-12-2010, 09:36 PM
A more complete stats here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=159447

Thanks, I didn't know this existed.

straitup
09-12-2010, 10:14 PM
Well done Jack, apparently he is going back to school tomorrow :lol: That would be quite an experience, going from a USO Juniors win to school the next day

Filo V.
09-12-2010, 10:32 PM
Very impressive, good job Jack. Earning his spot in the adult draw and winning the boys event shows he definitely continuing on his progression forward. Also congrats to Denis for making the final. Nice to see young American boys and girls finally making some headway.

Ozone
09-12-2010, 10:39 PM
U-s-a! U-s-a! U-s-a!

Cat9
09-12-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't have hopes for Jack because he won the Jrs, but because I saw one of his matches in it's entirety and he looked very promising. Btw, Harrison went early to Bogota a couple of days ago to adjust to altitude. Anyone know if they other guys went too?

Snowwy
09-12-2010, 11:49 PM
I feel like evaluating the results of the 2008, 2009 and 2010 winners means nothing.

Smoke944
09-13-2010, 02:22 AM
I feel like evaluating the results of the 2008, 2009 and 2010 winners means nothing.

You are right, but then again you are thinking logically. Most people here have no idea how to do this.

Brick Top
09-13-2010, 02:23 AM
I dont know nothing about his game, but hell his name sounds good.