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Why do people say Spanish players "bend over" for Nadal?

Topspindoctor
09-10-2010, 03:24 AM
I didn't see any bending over at all in the recent years. Ferrer beat Nadal in USO last time they played. Lopez beat Nadal in Queens. Verdasco took Nadal to massive 5 sets in AO and nearly ended up costing him that slam :o Almagro took him to TWO tie breaks in RG... it goes on

Did it occur to some people Nadal is simply better and mentally stronger than all of them? When the likes of Nando simply choke against other opponents, nobody pays attention, but when it's against Nadal it's "bending Over" :o

Let's not dicount the fact that Nando was tired during this match, thus the many unforced errors. Nadal played conservatively and it payed off.

Luinir
09-10-2010, 03:27 AM
Because they are haters?

jcreback
09-10-2010, 03:28 AM
Guess we need to have a bird and bees talk.

Arkulari
09-10-2010, 03:35 AM
Rafa beat Feli fair and square, Lopez was never in the match
Mugro had MP against him in Paris and he proceeded to choke with UEs (not really Rafa's super mega winners he produces sometimes)
Nando? come on, getting broken by 2 DF? and then game completely falling apart? that is bending over, he didn't really try after that and it wasn't because Rafa started playing better (which he did) but because he just gave up mentally and got on his knees :shrug:
He would probably not have won the match, but at least he would have won that set and make things interesting, same as Robin did yesterday against Roger (though the Swede actually beat the Swiss in RG)
Pics never chokes, but he is getting outplayed by Rafa, specially because his serve is not that good

TennisAddicted
09-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Nadal had 234234234 break points before that.. i guess Verdasco didn't bend over those times.

Borovnia
09-10-2010, 03:41 AM
Lets see stats. The same players that suposedly bend over Rafa, apparently do the same vs Federer, as an example.

Since 2007, results of Rafa vs other spanish players in the top 50 (Verdasco, Ferrer, Almagro, Montanes, Ferrero, Lopez and Robredo) 31-4. Results of Federer same period same players: 21-1.

This is not just the better player wins? I don't see anyone questioning why spanish players bend over Roger.

tribalfusion
09-10-2010, 03:42 AM
Guess we need to have a bird and bees talk.

Guess we need to talk about repression turning up uninvited in the metaphors you choose.

Arkulari
09-10-2010, 03:43 AM
hola, welcome to MTF ;)

how many times have those players been ahead when playing Roger and lose the lead? ;)

people like Pics have beaten Rafa, right now Rafa is thrice the player Pics is, but the Valencian managed to defeat him by mental strenght and playing on Rafa's weaknesses of the moment

Nando has the game to outplay Rafa (in hard at least) but he's not mentally strong enough to keep a lead when he has, he chokes horrendously with DF more times than not

Feli can beat Rafa in fast grass but it's no match when it comes to best of 5

Topspindoctor
09-10-2010, 03:44 AM
That's not to mention Wawrinka who is the biggest pigeon in the universe against Federer :o

If there were more Swiss players, it would be so obvious how badly they worship the GOAT wannabe and lose matches to him on purpose :o

Borovnia
09-10-2010, 03:45 AM
hola, welcome to MTF ;)



hey gracias!! been around for the last three years, decided to start posting once the forum I used to is barely dead.

nadal_slam_king
09-10-2010, 03:45 AM
That headline is gross, I hate how people talk about this male-male stuff, gross as poison pie.

born_on_clay
09-10-2010, 03:47 AM
Because they are haters?

and moreover they are jealous of Rafa's achievements
just ignore them :wavey:

Arkulari
09-10-2010, 03:49 AM
hey gracias!! been around for the last three years, decided to start posting once the forum I used to is barely dead.

you'll get fun in here :lol: :p

and for Stan, hasn't he beaten Roger? ;)
he has never wasted leads AFAIK

BigJohn
09-10-2010, 03:51 AM
Because they are haters?

Because some of them do (figuratively speaking for most)

That headline is gross, I hate how people talk about this male-male stuff, gross as poison pie.

Overcompensating, you're not fooling anyone.

It's ok to be curious and a little scared.

jcreback
09-10-2010, 03:54 AM
Guess we need to talk about repression turning up uninvited in the metaphors you choose.

I really don't know what you are going on about, but this mysterious new poster that started this thread that just happened to find this site recently asked about bending over, not me.

Now can you and your 47 other names on here stop stalking me. I am flattered by your advances, but I am currently unavailable in the way you would like.

Thanks.

tennismaster1978
09-10-2010, 04:01 AM
Guess we need to have a bird and bees talk.

Thats funny

gbmkc
09-10-2010, 04:11 AM
Disgust. Nadal fatigue. Bitterness. They've seen them come up short to him too many times. A sense of humor. Hatred.

FlameOn
09-10-2010, 04:15 AM
But Nando really DID bend over. :o

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
09-10-2010, 04:23 AM
because ive seen less cock action in a porno than nadal vs spain matches

its just alot of bending over

moonlightdance
09-10-2010, 05:06 AM
seriously, is it truly so surprising or annoying about nando losing in straights that we must say he walked on court already lubed up? one set went 7-5 and rafa was broken (finally). that seems like a perfectly acceptable outcome given the players, their current forms, and the conditions, no? this wasn't rafa's best hc match ever, but i think we would agree that so far he is playing fairly well overall at the uso this year. likewise, we know that when verdasco is ON he'd likely be able to give rafa a good test on a hard court, like AO '09. a rafa playing decently well will almost always beat a nando playing mediocre or worse, which is what happened, no? i suppose it is actually less about verdasco being a willing whore and more about how so many people are just annoyed whenever rafa wins a match. as for the rest of the spaniards losing to him so often, rafa is just a better player. of course he's going to win most of the time. and he has been beaten by some of the others! ok, that was my attempt at reasonable discussion. :)

swisht4u
09-10-2010, 05:14 AM
Rafa is just better than his compatriots, no more than this.

allpro
09-10-2010, 05:16 AM
the entire atp used to "bend over" for fed before rafa came along.

Castafiore
09-10-2010, 05:26 AM
hola, welcome to MTF ;)

how many times have those players been ahead when playing Roger and lose the lead? ;)

people like Pics have beaten Rafa, right now Rafa is thrice the player Pics is, but the Valencian managed to defeat him by mental strenght and playing on Rafa's weaknesses of the moment

Nando has the game to outplay Rafa (in hard at least) but he's not mentally strong enough to keep a lead when he has, he chokes horrendously with DF more times than not

Feli can beat Rafa in fast grass but it's no match when it comes to best of 5
Still the wrong expression to use. :shrug:
The bending over expression should IMO only be used if the opponents aren't really trying. Guys like Lopez and esp. Ferrer and Verdasco do want to beat him. Anybody denying that is a clown.
It's as overused as the word "choking" on MTF.

kindling
09-10-2010, 05:29 AM
Why do people get so defensive over Rafa? I understand liking a player, but the defense people take against criticism towards him is like they're insulting your mother. I mean c'mon, he's the #1 player, you're not exactly pulling for the underdog, you're just cheering on a sure thing. That doesn't take any heart or commitment.

Mechlan
09-10-2010, 05:33 AM
seriously, is it truly so surprising or annoying about nando losing in straights that we must say he walked on court already lubed up? one set went 7-5 and rafa was broken (finally). that seems like a perfectly acceptable outcome given the players, their current forms, and the conditions, no? this wasn't rafa's best hc match ever, but i think we would agree that so far he is playing fairly well overall at the uso this year. likewise, we know that when verdasco is ON he'd likely be able to give rafa a good test on a hard court, like AO '09. a rafa playing decently well will almost always beat a nando playing mediocre or worse, which is what happened, no? i suppose it is actually less about verdasco being a willing whore and more about how so many people are just annoyed whenever rafa wins a match. as for the rest of the spaniards losing to him so often, rafa is just a better player. of course he's going to win most of the time. and he has been beaten by some of the others! ok, that was my attempt at reasonable discussion. :)

I'll bite since you're being reasonable. Of course Rafa is a better player and is expected to win. However, Verdasco is a top 8 player in the world. He's never beaten Nadal in 11 meetings now and there's nothing to indicate a matchup issue. In fact, in the current top 15, only two players have never beaten Nadal: Verdasco and Melzer. The US Open is Nadal's weakest surface, he'd never beaten a top 10 player there. Verdasco beat some good players coming in his previous rounds, and actually played really well in the last couple of rounds. So for Verdasco to capitulate the way he did is a pretty pathetic effort. Obviously the wind played a part, but that's excuse making. The wind is the same for both players, and Verdasco handled it far worse today.

Castafiore
09-10-2010, 05:37 AM
Why do people get so defensive over Rafa? I understand liking a player, but the defense people take against criticism towards him is like they're insulting your mother. I mean c'mon, he's the #1 player, you're not exactly pulling for the underdog, you're just cheering on a sure thing. That doesn't take any heart or commitment.
Why do so many people go out of their way to attack the guy on a forum as if he killed their mother?

It's a two-way thing. People attack, others defend. If some wouldn't be attacking, others wouldn't be defending. I understand that for some, MTF would look nicer if only the attacks would remain on these forums but the two-way game played on MTF is not that hard to understand.

kindling
09-10-2010, 05:50 AM
Why do so many people go out of their way to attack the guy on a forum as if he killed their mother?

It's a two-way thing. People attack, others defend. If some wouldn't be attacking, others wouldn't be defending. I understand that for some, MTF would look nicer if only the attacks would remain on these forums but the two-way game played on MTF is not that hard to understand.

It's not hard to understand. My point is, who cares if someone else doesn't like your favorite player? What do they want, everyone to like the same person? Lost cause, trying to make sense of people and their tendencies on the internet.:)

bayvalle
09-10-2010, 08:04 AM
I didn't see any bending over at all in the recent years. Ferrer beat Nadal in USO last time they played. Lopez beat Nadal in Queens. Verdasco took Nadal to massive 5 sets in AO and nearly ended up costing him that slam :o Almagro took him to TWO tie breaks in RG... it goes on

Did it occur to some people Nadal is simply better and mentally stronger than all of them? When the likes of Nando simply choke against other opponents, nobody pays attention, but when it's against Nadal it's "bending Over" :o

Let's not dicount the fact that Nando was tired during this match, thus the many unforced errors. Nadal played conservatively and it payed off.

Fans will always look down on any result of matches played by Nadal against his compatriots especially during crucial stretches of any tournament. Fishy. In any case, I believe that when the battlesmoke is clear, Nadal will come out winner (the year's US Open trophy could cement his status as a GOAT contender), thanks to Verdasco, Lopez, and other "friends" who could have "transpired", wittingly or unwittingly, to lose to their hero, all for the love of the flag. In Rafa's case, Lennon's song "A Little Help From My Friends" indeed applies.

latso
09-10-2010, 08:15 AM
Edit pls the name of the thread

change People with Idiots

kronus12
09-10-2010, 08:22 AM
I think he bends them over the night before, reason why they play like shit against him because they can't walk properly.

Castafiore
09-10-2010, 08:45 AM
It's not hard to understand. My point is, who cares if someone else doesn't like your favorite player? What do they want, everyone to like the same person? Lost cause, trying to make sense of people and their tendencies on the internet.:)
I agree. It's a useless exercise.

The defensiveness (not just from Rafa fans but from the fans of all the top players) wouldn't happen so much if the attacks were just a matter of personal preference because we can't all like the same players.
However, a lot of the :bs: goes further: it's often a blind and bitter attack. "Who cares?", you could argue because defending against it is utterly pointless (and often, it rewards haters even) but sometimes, I think that fans just need to throw something positive in the mix when faced with the negativity. It's either that or staying away from the message board or stick with following the careers of players that fly under the MTF radar.

The "attack-defence" game on message boards happens with every player with a more than average success. "Success breeds contempt" as they say.
It's futile when you look at it from a distance. I totally agree.

ossie
09-10-2010, 09:10 AM
because they hate rafa, seriuosly youd have to be a sad figure if you actually believe they want to lose when they play rafa

hyperren
09-10-2010, 09:13 AM
I would totally bend over for Nadal.

And Djokovic, for that matter.

...wait, that's NOT what this thread's about?

Apophis
09-10-2010, 09:17 AM
If someone could find out Nadal's career win % against his compatriots and compare it with his overall career win % (about 82%), that could clear up quite a lot. Perhaps specify per year or do it for Grand Slams only.

FormerRafaFan
09-10-2010, 11:10 AM
That headline is gross, I hate how people talk about this male-male stuff, gross as poison pie.

Seriously? Why do you even like tennis if you can't even handle that? Tennis is like the gayest sport in the world, lots of gay fans and I'm guessing some gay players too.

Besides, chill, it's only a metaphor. I doubt they are going at it, since they are both straight. and it would never happen.

paseo
09-10-2010, 11:13 AM
Bendo Verdasco.

I'd like to know who's the first poster that come up with this nick name. It's quite smart and catchy :D

FormerRafaFan
09-10-2010, 11:44 AM
Bendo Verdasco.

I'd like to know who's the first poster that come up with this nick name. It's quite smart and catchy :D

BendoverDasco is better :)

MacTheKnife
09-10-2010, 11:45 AM
Surely this is a rhetorical question.

latso
09-10-2010, 12:07 PM
Seriously? Why do you even like tennis if you can't even handle that? Tennis is like the gayest sport in the world, lots of gay fans and I'm guessing some gay players too.

Besides, chill, it's only a metaphor. I doubt they are going at it, since they are both straight. and it would never happen.
the sport is attractive to gays but hardly there are any of them ammong the players

mainly coz there are less gay ppl in individual sports

tennis coaches are generally gay-haters and none of them would keep coaching seriously a lad leaning on the left side of the river...

Some of the players though cross the river after they retire and Brad Gilbert as well as JMac are obvious examples :D

On topic - Why all Swedish players, Polish, French, American, German, etc. bend over Nadal?

also over Fed?

this thread is ridiculous.

The Madrileno would stick his racquet in Rafa's "feimuus aass" anytime he'd have a chance. But he just can't coz the guy is running fast as a mada....matador :D

Serenidad
09-10-2010, 01:26 PM
Nadal should have been forced to play for Guam so no countrymen could have done these acts.

Sillyrabbit
09-10-2010, 01:32 PM
Is the OP trying to argue MTF logic that professional tennis players who hate to lose actually willingly allow another player to walk all over them? Surely, that can't be right?

Quadruple Tree
09-10-2010, 01:46 PM
Even the commentators on ESPN were saying that Verdasco gave up and that the crowd were going to boo him if he didn't at least look like he was trying. This isn't some idea of only MTF. It's obvious what Bendo Verdaso was doing to anyone watching who isn't a fanboy of Nadal or Bendo Verdasco.

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 01:50 PM
The only Spanish players who don't bend over for him are Ferrer and Montanes. They both battle as hard as they can. All the others don't, they just let Nadal win. Disgusting, really.

paseo
09-10-2010, 01:51 PM
BendoverDasco is better :)

Are you the one who came up with this?

Har-Tru
09-10-2010, 02:38 PM
That's not to mention Wawrinka who is the biggest pigeon in the universe against Federer :o

5-1.

Biggest pigeon in the universe? Really?

LoveFifteen
09-10-2010, 02:43 PM
Seriously? Why do you even like tennis if you can't even handle that? Tennis is like the gayest sport in the world, lots of gay fans and I'm guessing some gay players too.

Besides, chill, it's only a metaphor. I doubt they are going at it, since they are both straight. and it would never happen.

Yes, Nadal topping Verdasco would never happen because it's Nadal who's got the more fuckable ass. :hearts: :drool:

LOL. Just kidding.

But seriously, y'all, the whole "bend over" thing is just ridiculous. You have to be an expert bottom to take it while standing bent over. Most of us do missionary and cowgirl* (well, cowboy, heh) a lot more than doggie style, much less bending over while standing on two feet. :shrug: Do you know how deep doggie can go?! :hysteric: :sobbing:

I don't know why so many people use this expression that conjures up images of man-on-man action, especially when they are ostensibly straight and are disgusted by gay male sex. Overcompensating much? :o



*Cowgirl is woman on top.

Everko
09-10-2010, 03:29 PM
Bend over:rolleyes:, as if Nadal would lose if Verdasco wanted to play. he's lost to Nadal so many times that he has lost the belief that he can win

SheepleBuster
09-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Because they do. Nadal is associated with a guy the spanish folks call a King, which is quite absurd to have in this day and age. Nadal is a marketing product and everybody stays out of his way. Look how Verdasco played it up last night till 4-3 and then bent over and got his arse handed to him.

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 03:40 PM
Bend over:rolleyes:, as if Nadal would lose if Verdasco wanted to play. he's lost to Nadal so many times that he has lost the belief that he can win
Verdasco can beat Nadal, but he just bends over when he loses a set, and is humiliated. Same with most Spaniards.

Everko
09-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Verdasco can beat Nadal, but he just bends over when he loses a set, and is humiliated. Same with most Spaniards.

Is this unique to Spaniards vs Nadal? Underdogs will always lose a little motivation and belief after losing the 1st set to Nadal or Federer

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 03:43 PM
Is this unique to Spaniards vs Nadal? Underdogs will always lose a little motivation and belief after losing the 1st set to Nadal or Federer
Spanish players (most of them anyway) look up to Nadal as a King, and lose to him, so he can further in the tournament.
It's disgraceful imo.

Everko
09-10-2010, 03:45 PM
Spanish players (most of them anyway) look up to Nadal as a King, and lose to him, so he can further in the tournament.
It's disgraceful imo.

abolsute horseshit

latso
09-10-2010, 03:45 PM
Spanish players (most of them anyway) look up to Nadal as a King, and lose to him, so he can further in the tournament.
It's disgraceful imo.
read back one day when u grow up and hopefully by then u will realise how dumb is what u say

if u still think the same...then GL in the coal mines

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 03:48 PM
abolsute horseshit
But is it?
No, maybe if you weren't soo blind when it comes to Nadal, you'll realise most of his opponents bend over for him, not ust Spanish players (though they do it all the time).
read back one day when u grow up and hopefully by then u will realise how dumb is what u say

if u still think the same...then GL in the coal mines
Maybe you'll look back one day and see that you don't spell "you" as "u".
Lazy much?
Either spell words correctly, or don't post at all.
Also, it's not very hard to put full stops at the end of your sentence.

delpiero7
09-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Spanish players don't bend over for Nadal without reason. They know beforehand that they stand no chance of winning even with a full effort, so they don't try and chase a lost cause. Verdasco tried to break the mould one time by testing Nadal over 5 hours, but he's learnt since then that he doesn't stand a chance against him so he doesn't bother trying.

Infact, the Spaniards laugh in the faces of those who think they stand a chance of beating Nadal only to lose. If you're gonna lose, might as well get it over and done with. In the time saved by not putting any effort in, Verdasco is showered, changed and on the lookout for a hot chick to bang.

Makes complete sense IMO.

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 04:15 PM
Spanish players don't bend over for Nadal without reason. They know beforehand that they stand no chance of winning even with a full effort, so they don't try and chase a lost cause. Verdasco tried to break the mould one time by testing Nadal over 5 hours, but he's learnt since then that he doesn't stand a chance against him so he doesn't bother trying.

Infact, the Spaniards laugh in the faces of those who think they stand a chance of beating Nadal only to lose. If you're gonna lose, might as well get it over and done with. In the time saved by not putting any effort in, Verdasco is showered, changed and on the lookout for a hot chick to bang.

Makes complete sense IMO.
That's a disgusting attitude to have.

Priam
09-10-2010, 04:48 PM
It happens, but not all the time. RG 08 was absolute donations from his fellow Spaniards (Almugro even hugged him after I think). Robredo and Mugro in Paris-Bercy last year was just disgraceful.

Nando's played him tough a few times (Queens, AO '09, Madrid '09), Almagro recently (Madrid '10, RG '10), and Ferrer mostly gives a good account of himself on hard courts (USO '07, TMC '07).

LaFuria
09-10-2010, 04:50 PM
At least Nadull didn't have to play Boredo, Tommy doesn't even pretend to put up a resistance.

allpro
09-10-2010, 05:01 PM
Spanish players don't bend over for Nadal without reason. They know beforehand that they stand no chance of winning even with a full effort, so they don't try and chase a lost cause. Verdasco tried to break the mould one time by testing Nadal over 5 hours, but he's learnt since then that he doesn't stand a chance against him so he doesn't bother trying.

Infact, the Spaniards laugh in the faces of those who think they stand a chance of beating Nadal only to lose. If you're gonna lose, might as well get it over and done with. In the time saved by not putting any effort in, Verdasco is showered, changed and on the lookout for a hot chick to bang.

an admirable perspective. i like this way of thinking :drink:

latso
09-10-2010, 08:23 PM
But is it?
No, maybe if you weren't soo blind when it comes to Nadal, you'll realise most of his opponents bend over for him, not ust Spanish players (though they do it all the time).

Maybe you'll look back one day and see that you don't spell "you" as "u".
Lazy much?
Either spell words correctly, or don't post at all.
Also, it's not very hard to put full stops at the end of your sentence.
i'm a tennis expert, not an English teacher :cool:

full stop

finn98
09-10-2010, 08:35 PM
That's a disgusting attitude to have.

That guy was being ironical :wavey:

Ibracadabra
09-10-2010, 08:37 PM
What is his h2h against all spanish players?

nobama
09-10-2010, 08:58 PM
the only one who bends over for Nadal is Almugro.

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 09:43 PM
That guy was being ironical :wavey:
Ironical and telling it how it is.
Impressive.

Filo V.
09-10-2010, 09:45 PM
Because they like to project their fantasies as if they are reality.

Sapeod
09-10-2010, 09:49 PM
What is his h2h against all spanish players?
11-0 vs. Verdasco
6-2 vs. Lopez
7-0 vs. Almagro
11-3 vs. Ferrer
2-0 vs. Montanes
7-2 vs. Ferrero
6-0 vs. Robredo
2-0 vs. Guillermo Garcia-Lopez

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
09-11-2010, 04:00 AM
Seriously? Why do you even like tennis if you can't even handle that? Tennis is like the gayest sport in the world, lots of gay fans and I'm guessing some gay players too.

Besides, chill, it's only a metaphor. I doubt they are going at it, since they are both straight. and it would never happen.

i resent the insinuation that tennis is the gayest sport. if it attracts gay fans then thats fine as long as its making tennis popular

the gayest sport is obviously (american) football.. with all that heads in butt stuff

obviously most tennis fans aren't gay haters- personally i dont agree with it, but i think what someone does in the privacy of their own home is their own business

live and let live i say

kooties
09-11-2010, 05:14 AM
There are just a lot of Top, spanish players on tour. And nadal is the best out of them.

If Chiudinelli, Lammer, and Allegro, are consistent top 50 players, we'd say the same thing about the Swiss to Federer.