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Melzer defeats Djokovic 3-6, 2-6, 6-2, 7-6(3), 6-4

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@Sweet Cleopatra
06-02-2010, 06:19 PM
Another shock after Federer.

FedererBulgaria
06-02-2010, 06:19 PM
Sooo happy for him...well done BYE BYE Nol

SheepleBuster
06-02-2010, 06:20 PM
It's sad. Wanted to see Novak vs. Rafa. Novak choked this one.

ciprianned
06-02-2010, 06:20 PM
A M A Z I N G :o:o:o

rocketassist
06-02-2010, 06:20 PM
Jurgen you fucking animal! :worship:

Great for the game.

Andreas
06-02-2010, 06:20 PM
Thread title should be: Cheater defeats Djokovic.

scarecrows
06-02-2010, 06:27 PM
Jurgen Melzer is terrific

very tensioned end of the match with Melzer trying to choke as usual (that volley on MP was a thing of beauty :tape:) but held the nerve in the end

good fight from Djokovic also

Bilbo
06-02-2010, 06:27 PM
when players like melzer and berdych reach semifinals of a slam you know it's not a good slam.

btw that's the difference to federer or nadal. they would never lose a match from 2 sets up in a slam.

TheBoiledEgg
06-02-2010, 06:27 PM
alway good when Djoke loses even funnier when he loses from 2 sets up :haha: :spit: :rolls:

Jurgen :bowdown:

River
06-02-2010, 06:27 PM
Please add the score, OPer.

3-6, 2-6, 6-2, 7-6(3), 6-4

ShimSham
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Well done Melzer. I always enjoy seeing Djokovic lose.

alter ego
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Djokovic going down the raking in the next months.

tealeaves
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Nadal has a bye to the final

Chair Umpire
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
I had bet 200 vcash on Jurgen. :cool:

My prediction is becoming reality. :cool:

Now reach the final Melzer!!!

Puschkin
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
:woohoo: held it together in the end! Well done, Jürgen!

Certinfy
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
I can't even credit Melzer enough, what a win and what an awesome guy! :yeah:

*Ljubica*
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Congrats to Melzer. He fought hard from two sets down - can't take anything away from him for that :shrug:

Novak :hug:

Nidhogg
06-02-2010, 06:28 PM
Well shit. This match was entertaining for many reasons. At any rate, impressive stuff from Jürgen.

Add the venue and scoreline in the title if you bother enough to make a thread.

Guille.
06-02-2010, 06:29 PM
So happy for Jurgen:worship:

Nole:hug:

Priam
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Insane bp conversion by Melzer! 4 of freaking 24.

coonster14
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
:sad:, so wanted nadal/djokovic match.

but seriously, novak- up 2 sets to 0, how did he lose this one???

TennisOnWood
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Go home clown!!!!

cocrcici
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
expected:sad:

Guigr
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Melzer should thank Carlos Bernardes

Smoke944
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Wow, Novak losing to Jurgen from 2 sets and a break up. He isn't even a fraction of the player he was two years ago.

But congrats to Jurgen :hatoff: Always good to see a guy enjoying his finest moments towards the end of his career :)

cellophane
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Yay Sexy Jurgen :D

Guga_fan
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Melzer played great tennis, but not enough to trouble Rafa.

I'm curious to see Djokovic's interview to see how he explains simply disappearing when he had the match won in the 3rd set.

Kworb
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
Great stuff, he was so happy. :worship:

Cheater accusations are funny, the ball was clearly out in the replay.

petar_pan
06-02-2010, 06:30 PM
ko bi reko cuda se se dese...

svaka cast melzeru, zasluzio je zbog igre a najvise zbog HRABROSTI. djokovic je odigrao neke poene na mrezi velemajstorski, kako i dolikuje jednom od najboljih igraca

MalwareDie
06-02-2010, 06:31 PM
Well done Jurgen. Good for the game.

Sophocles
06-02-2010, 06:31 PM
Looked like a very entertaining match from the bit of the final set I saw. Wish the BBC had shown it all instead of the Spanish bore-fest. A shame for Djokovic, & for the tournament (has any player ever had such a JOKE of a draw as Nadal has had here?), but it's good to see a talented versatile player such as Melzer having some success. Unfortunately he'll lose 2,2,2 in the semis.

peribsen
06-02-2010, 06:31 PM
So sorry for Djoko... and I wanted him in the SF to avoid all haters complaining that Nadal had an easy draw, how is he ever going to beat a top 5 if they keep failing to make the matches? Hell!!

Anyway, I jumped ship when Melzer failed that match point in the net... you're 29 years old and you come so close, if he hadn´t won in the end that shot would have haunted him all his life... too cruel. So, I guess I'm happy for him.

dusan1610
06-02-2010, 06:31 PM
Nooo Noleeeee!! :sad:

Deivid23
06-02-2010, 06:32 PM
Saw it coming. Deserved win for the Austrian nutter

scarecrows
06-02-2010, 06:32 PM
I had bet 200 vcash on Jurgen. :cool:

My prediction is becoming reality. :cool:

Now reach the final Melzer!!!

i had 20k

Rita
06-02-2010, 06:32 PM
:hearts:

Voo de Mar
06-02-2010, 06:32 PM
Impressive win by Melzer from 3-6 2-6 0:2 :eek: In the footsteps of his coach (Nystrom beat Vajda 6-3 6-3 5-1 at Roland Garros '87 in the 2nd round) :sport:

Chair Umpire
06-02-2010, 06:33 PM
Where's gorgo now? :lol: He laughed at me yesterday because I bet for Jurgen. :lol:

tennizen
06-02-2010, 06:33 PM
Feel bad for Nole:sad:

connectolove
06-02-2010, 06:33 PM
OOOUUUCHHHH! Djoko lost from winning the first two sets!!!! that's bad.
Now Melzer vs Nadal, GO NADAL! I hope this guy do not shock us any further...

Björki
06-02-2010, 06:33 PM
Melzer should thank Carlos Bernardes

yes he should.

anyway congrats. deserved at the end.

Nole :hug:

batavlada
06-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Bye, bye Djokovic. One who believe wins. One who is lethargic should take a rest. Djokovic is for a long time one who does not believe and he is one who is lethargic, too. Soon he will go out of top 5, maybe 10.

Congratulation to Melzer. Fighting spirit for tennis books.

oranges
06-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Congrats Jurgen :hatoff: I thought he had a solid chance here, but was expecting that he would run off with an advantage in the beginning in that case. Coming back form 0:2 down to win in five is mighty impressive in his first ever GS QF. Now go give a good account of yourself against Nadal

ReturnWinner
06-02-2010, 06:34 PM
Good job Melzer :) nice game but terrible bp conversion anyway He fought so hard and was very brave at the end and that paid off.

Edith09
06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
Why Djoker why, you were 2 sets and break up :sad:

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
Fuck!

federernadalfan
06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
wow totally unexpected...looked like djoko was in command after two sets...
nice comeback from melzer indeed
but, he will have little chance against rafa but a semi-appearance in a gs is a great achievement for melzer

rocketassist
06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
Rafa= Fed Killa suffers another blow. A true Spartan doesn't blow a two set lead to Melzer like that.

:lol:

henke007
06-02-2010, 06:35 PM
So the highest ranked player Nadal has faced for 1200 points is Almagro :drink:

Anyway congrats Mr Meltzdown oops i mean Melzer for your nice win and also for taking out Mr flukerun on clay 2010 Ferrer in the 3rd round.:worship:

ms. double fault
06-02-2010, 06:36 PM
CONGRATS JÜRGEN!! well deserved in the end!!
nole completely choked in the 3rd set :help:

petar_pan
06-02-2010, 06:36 PM
djokovic's tried to cheat badly in the 5th set on the several occasions. that's so bad

Arkulari
06-02-2010, 06:37 PM
ko bi reko cuda se se dese...

svaka cast melzeru, zasluzio je zbog igre a najvise zbog HRABROSTI. djokovic je odigrao neke poene na mrezi velemajstorski, kako i dolikuje jednom od najboljih igraca

:unsure: :unsure:

Do we want to know?

Melzer's CC BH is a thing of beauty when on, it gave Nole nightmares all over the last sets, the Austrian did a lot of dropshots and Nole kept lobbing him over his BH and winning the point but it wasn't enough, Melzer wanted the victory more and it shows

Dmitry Verdasco
06-02-2010, 06:37 PM
http://www.gifflix.com/files/468df081449d.gif

Sapeod
06-02-2010, 06:38 PM
AMAZING MELZER. Absolutely amazing. You are a legend Jurgenator, rest up and get ready to face Nadal.

zlaja777
06-02-2010, 06:38 PM
.............Noleeee............this is bad for tennis........

Garson007
06-02-2010, 06:39 PM
Djokovic going down the raking in the next months.
He actually gained points here. :shrug:

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 06:39 PM
djokovic's tried to cheat badly in the 5th set on the several occasion. that's so bad

Croat hater in da house. :zzz:

BTW: War is over buddy...

Iván
06-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Learn from this Novak

to be fair, melzer played a blinder in the final set.

General Suburbia
06-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Very unlucky in the last game. If Djokovic was given the point to go 0-30, Melzer would've choked it. Very disappointed.

I lost all my vcash in the last 2 days. First Federer and now Djokovic.

dusan1610
06-02-2010, 06:40 PM
ko bi reko cuda se se dese...

svaka cast melzeru, zasluzio je zbog igre a najvise zbog HRABROSTI. djokovic je odigrao neke poene na mrezi velemajstorski, kako i dolikuje jednom od najboljih igraca

da, ali je ona odluka bila najvaznija kada je Melzer servirao za mec 15-00 za Djokovica i onaj dobar pasing shot Noleta.

problematique
06-02-2010, 06:41 PM
anyone who is shocked didn't see Nole's last match. pretty much expected win for Melzer

Mashachosen1
06-02-2010, 06:42 PM
I stopped watching when Novak was 2 sets up. I hope they will replay this match in Balls. :hearts:

aeronatasha
06-02-2010, 06:42 PM
Gutted, that's my only feeling after this.:sad:

Who knows what would have happened if it went 0-30 in that final game, I was 100% sure it clipped the line. But should have never let that huge advantage slip in the first place, Nole.
You save so many BPs and long a 2nd on MP?
...........

Congrats to Melzer, very brave of him.

ad-out
06-02-2010, 06:42 PM
I'm happy for Melzer. It's good to see someone who hasn't done that much in his career have a big moment. ;)

zerocool_
06-02-2010, 06:42 PM
Croat hater in da house. :zzz:

BTW: War is over buddy...

Great respond CD :) Petar, like that point which clearly was in but judge called out in last gem? I feel bad for Nole :( He should take this in 3, but..

maxxo
06-02-2010, 06:44 PM
Never in doubt. Melzer should have won it in str8ts

Iván
06-02-2010, 06:44 PM
really bad sportmanship from melzer in the final game to circle another mark that showed the ball was out.

green25814
06-02-2010, 06:45 PM
Fucking legend.

Proud of Melzer, he's underacheived throughout his career, so this is great for him.

Deivid23
06-02-2010, 06:46 PM
really bad sportmanship from melzer in the final game to circle another mark that showed the ball was out.

Thought the same after watching for first time, but in the replay it looks like the mark was correct and the ball was certainly out

rocketassist
06-02-2010, 06:46 PM
If indeed Melzer pointed to the wrong mark- then good. Always nice when a known cheater gets his own antics turned back on him.

Steelq
06-02-2010, 06:47 PM
What a bloody idiot this Djokovic,go hire psychiatrist son u need it more than a coach.

Corey Feldman
06-02-2010, 06:49 PM
what is happening Nole?

may never have liked him but its sad to see him fall like this

come back Nole Champ

Il Primo Uomo
06-02-2010, 06:51 PM
Nole, it's time for you to have your priorities straight: being pathetic and NOT funny imitating Shakira or improving as a tennis player. SMH

MIMIC
06-02-2010, 06:53 PM
Djokovic going down the raking in the next months.

Did you happen to see, hear, or read about last year's tournament?

Anyway, Melzer definitely played well enough but Djoker couldn't hit Melzer's 2nd serves to save his life. Case in point: Melzer's 3rd match point

philosophicalarf
06-02-2010, 06:53 PM
Djoko sets 1 & 2: 75% first serve, 75% points won off it.
Djoko sets 3 & 4: 58% first serve, 58% points won off it.

alter ego
06-02-2010, 06:54 PM
He actually gained points here. :shrug:

I know that, that's way I said in the next months.
Clay Season for Djokovic 2009: MC+ROME+MADRID+RG = 600+600+360+90 = 1650
Djokovic 2010: MC+ROME+MADRID+RG = 360+180+0+360 = 900

I don't count the Nole Open because he can change it with an other Micky Mouse event.

Ariel
06-02-2010, 06:54 PM
Thought the same after watching for first time, but in the replay it looks like the mark was correct and the ball was certainly out

I don'tknow what replay you were watching but on ESPN2's replay, that ball clipped a tiny fraction of the line and point should have gone to Djoko. Benardes' error and a big one. I hope he gets taken aside later and is shown his error.

Filo V.
06-02-2010, 06:55 PM
The passing shot at 0-15 with Melzer serving for the match was in, and Nole probably would have broken serve afterward, so this match result has a black cloud over it. I'm happy for Melzer, but the match shouldn't have ended in that fashion.

l_mac
06-02-2010, 06:56 PM
Looked like a very entertaining match from the bit of the final set I saw. Wish the BBC had shown it all instead of the Spanish bore-fest. A shame for Djokovic, & for the tournament (has any player ever had such a JOKE of a draw as Nadal has had here?), but it's good to see a talented versatile player such as Melzer having some success. Unfortunately he'll lose 2,2,2 in the semis.

:haha: :haha:

Great win for my 2nd favourite player!

Merton
06-02-2010, 06:57 PM
Great for Melzer reaching the semis here. The first match point he missed was unbelievable but he managed to finish the job. I hope he has enough left to provide an interesting semifinal. I think Nole is in danger of entering a downward spiral here, he seems lost.

The Magician
06-02-2010, 06:57 PM
Too good this Melzer :worship: Novak deserved it after acting like he was going to die on court before playing a dozen more games and having no problem running down balls. It's sad to see the Djoke he's turned into, but it's better than having pusher Novak win matches he shouldn't. Get it together Novak, it's been 2 years of mediocre play now.

Clydey
06-02-2010, 06:58 PM
Jordan must be pleased.

green25814
06-02-2010, 06:59 PM
I love that Melzer, not your typical claycourter has made it to the semi. Clashes of styles will always be what makes tennis for me.

River
06-02-2010, 07:00 PM
QF for Novak is still good, but it still has to sting for the Serbian.

Melzer, god bless you.

Ariel
06-02-2010, 07:00 PM
I only saw the last 10 games of the final set - but Meltzer showed tremendous court ingenuity mixing it up with his deft touch volleys, his lobs after bringing Djoko in, defensive play and his outstanding forehand. Solid stuff. Will have to watch match in its entirety to see just how bad Djoko choked this away or if Meltzer simply raised his game under pressure.

Interesting FO this on both the mens and womens sides - a welcome change from the same old same old. :yeah:

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:00 PM
Too good this Melzer :worship: Novak deserved it after acting like he was going to die on court before playing a dozen more games and having no problem running down balls. It's sad to see the Djoke he's turned into, but it's better than having pusher Novak win matches he shouldn't. Get it together Novak, it's been 2 years of mediocre play now.

Can't understand why Nole does not play mnore agressive. he was so great with that game. almost on par with Fed and Nadal.

Clara Bow
06-02-2010, 07:00 PM
when players like melzer and berdych reach semifinals of a slam you know it's not a good slam.
.

No offense but f- that. Why not look at the positive and see it as two talents finally realizing their potential?

Geo
06-02-2010, 07:01 PM
pathetic choke from Djokovic :o :tape: :help: he should have flattened Melzer in 3 straight sets. He really let up after winning the 1st 2 sets :retard: :silly:

now we can look forward to Melzer getting a beatdown in the SF :hysteric: :o

star
06-02-2010, 07:01 PM
Can't understand why Nole does not play mnore agressive. he was so great with that game. almost on par with Fed and Nadal.

It breaks my heart. :bigcry:

I don't understand it. I don't know what happened. :crying2:

l_mac
06-02-2010, 07:02 PM
I love that Melzer, not your typical claycourter has made it to the semi.

Nadal is the only claycourter to make it to the RG semis in the past 3/4 years.

djb84xi
06-02-2010, 07:02 PM
Much love for Melzer, he just battled and won the war. I wonder if Djokovic would've got the break for 5-all, had the chair ump not got the call wrong, but what's done is done. I think Melzer will be an easier matchup for Rafa than Djokovic would've been, but with that said, he won't go down easily.

I thought by the match going 4 hours and 5 sets, Djoker would've pulled a retirement on us, but apparently he looked fit out there. He just came out on the losing end. Better luck at Queens and Wimbledon.

B.z.A.
06-02-2010, 07:04 PM
wohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

petar_pan
06-02-2010, 07:04 PM
Croat hater in da house. :zzz:

BTW: War is over buddy...

sta sam kraj dane pokuša objasnit al znate kakve su žene
nije pomoglo uvjeravanje diplomacija reka sam dana
sve je to bila halucinacija
i dana burek si jela samo ti dana
od toga ti se u nas radi lsd

green25814
06-02-2010, 07:04 PM
Nadal is the only claycourter to make it to the RG semis in the past 3/4 years.

Well, Melzer is even less of a claycourter than the usual suspects.

I basically mean his game differs in style to Nadal, Djokovic, Federer and Soderling. Its nice to see.

l_mac
06-02-2010, 07:06 PM
I basically mean his game differs in style to Nadal, Djokovic, Federer and Soderling. Its nice to see.

You think those 4 players play the same?

:lol:

3 are hardcourt clowns helped greatly by the changed conditions at RG. The other is probably the last great clay player the game is going to see.

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:08 PM
sta sam kraj dane pokuša objasnit al znate kakve su žene
nije pomoglo uvjeravanje diplomacija reka sam dana
sve je to bila halucinacija
i dana burek si jela samo ti dana
od toga ti se u nas radi lsd

is it good? bad? insults? compliments? :lol: I understand 0, zero, nada. I do not speak croatian, serbian or whatever that is.. try english ;)

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:09 PM
You think those 4 players play the same?

:lol:



yeah, only one of them mastered all aspect of tennis :D

Garson007
06-02-2010, 07:12 PM
3 are hardcourt clowns helped greatly by the changed conditions at RG. The other is probably the last great clay player the game is going to see.
Lol. You're so full of shit. :worship:

sheva07
06-02-2010, 07:13 PM
Very unexpected but well deserved win. Was looking forward to a Nole-Rafa match, so I was hoping Nole would win. But Melzer deserved it today. Biggest career win for him.

peribsen
06-02-2010, 07:14 PM
sta sam kraj dane pokuša objasnit al znate kakve su žene
nije pomoglo uvjeravanje diplomacija reka sam dana
sve je to bila halucinacija
i dana burek si jela samo ti dana
od toga ti se u nas radi lsd

Are you choking Peter-Pan? Need any help?

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:16 PM
Are you choking Peter-Pan? Need any help?

what is he saying?

Lopez
06-02-2010, 07:16 PM
You think those 4 players play the same?

:lol:

3 are hardcourt clowns helped greatly by the changed conditions at RG. The other is probably the last great clay player the game is going to see.

Do you think that Nadal is a grasscourt clown helped greatly by the changed conditions at Wimbledon :p ;) :lol: ?

Eden
06-02-2010, 07:21 PM
when players like melzer and berdych reach semifinals of a slam you know it's not a good slam.

Why? Didn't they beat the opponents they meet? That's all that counts in tennis. The opinion what's a good slam is surely individual to each of us ;)
It's good for the game to see new players going far in a tournament and taking their chances. It could be a once-in-a-lifetime-tournament for these guys and they deserve all the credit for their great run.

Only saw the last games of this match. Congrats to Jürgen for coming back into this match and finish it as the winner :yeah:

What happened to Novak after those first two sets? Another disappointing loss for him and it has to be seen how he will be able to get over it.

chowdahead25
06-02-2010, 07:21 PM
That was unbelievable, those last few games. So much choking:lol:

philosophicalarf
06-02-2010, 07:22 PM
3 are hardcourt clowns helped greatly by the changed conditions at RG.

Berdy isn't entirely - he made semis on the much slower clay of Monte Carlo 2007, and in 2005 he won Palermo and took a set off Nadal in the Bastad final.

Sapeod
06-02-2010, 07:22 PM
Croat hater in da house. :zzz:

BTW: War is over buddy...
But Djokovic is Serbian? :scratch:

Serb hater, no?

l_mac
06-02-2010, 07:23 PM
Do you think that Nadal is a grasscourt clown helped greatly by the changed conditions at Wimbledon :p ;) :lol: ?

I think the last great grass player was Sampras, whom I disliked intensely. The changed conditions have helped all players who ply their trade from the baseline, Federer included. I appreciate that Rafa, more than any other player, makes an attempt to change his game for the grass courts but I have never, and would never, claim that he is a grass-court player in the traditional sense.

They're all clowns on grass. Anyway, this is the wrong thread for such a discussion.

rocketassist
06-02-2010, 07:24 PM
You think those 4 players play the same?

:lol:

3 are hardcourt clowns helped greatly by the changed conditions at RG. The other is probably the last great clay player the game is going to see.

Soderling is the present day Kafelnikov- a clean, pure striker of the ball who is capable of taking on good dirtballers and challenge for RG.

Agree there's not enough quality dirt players, however the conditions at Wimbledon enabled your man to win it so don't moan about clay.

petar_pan
06-02-2010, 07:25 PM
what is he saying?

da haluciniras
that you are halucinating

Montego
06-02-2010, 07:27 PM
Open court volley on first matchpoint was spectacular, I felt down on my knees literally

heya
06-02-2010, 07:28 PM
Wow, Novak losing to Jurgen from 2 sets and a break up. He isn't even a fraction of the player he was two years ago.

But congrats to Jurgen :hatoff: Always good to see a guy enjoying his finest moments towards the end of his career :)

Not even your Roddick could have a clay career at Melzer's age. :wavey:

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:28 PM
da haluciniras
that you are halucinating

Well, only you can know. If you do not dislike Nole because he is Serbian then yes, I was halucinating. null problemo.

The Magician
06-02-2010, 07:28 PM
This has actually been the best slam for a while. The upsets have come thanks to amazing play by underdogs, there have been epic matches and drama without cattiness or cheating, and the tournament is wide open with multiple great stories still going on into the semis. Tourney would be one of the best ever if Soderling beats Nadal in the final in a great match imo.

petar_pan
06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
that ball was out. bernardes surely see better than camera. on the other side, djokovic had so many deuces and BP's. he blowed it

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:29 PM
But Djokovic is Serbian? :scratch:

Serb hater, no?

Serbian Croat hater :confused:

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:30 PM
I think the last great grass player was Sampras, whom I disliked intensely. The changed conditions have helped all players who ply their trade from the baseline, Federer included. I appreciate that Rafa, more than any other player, makes an attempt to change his game for the grass courts but I have never, and would never, claim that he is a grass-court player in the traditional sense.

They're all clowns on grass. Anyway, this is the wrong thread for such a discussion.

Fed is a clown on grass and Nadal the real clay-courter. I get it

:worship: Nadal :worship:

Lopez
06-02-2010, 07:31 PM
I think the last great grass player was Sampras, whom I disliked intensely. The changed conditions have helped all players who ply their trade from the baseline, Federer included. I appreciate that Rafa, more than any other player, makes an attempt to change his game for the grass courts but I have never, and would never, claim that he is a grass-court player in the traditional sense.

They're all clowns on grass. Anyway, this is the wrong thread for such a discussion.

Federer did win Sampras in 2001 and the 2003 title by serve-volleying. He has done it less later on. Personally I think because he's focused his game more on winning RG and thus becoming more of a baseline player and not hitting as hard as he used to as a (n unfortunate) consequence.

But you're right, another thread :yeah:

On the match, shame that Nole's level dropped after the first two sets, I would've loved to see Nadal/Djokovic on clay since they were awesome matches last year. I don't like Djokovic as much nowadays as I used to since he's not playing the aggressive baseline tennis he did when he first burst to the scene and I like aggressive players. Good on Melzer though :yeah:. Hope he can put up a fight against Rafa!

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:31 PM
bernardes surely see better than camera.

I doubt that. but whatever, game is finito now...

peribsen
06-02-2010, 07:32 PM
what is he saying?

I don't have the faintest idea, just thought he sounded so strange maybe he had swallowed a peanut the wrong way and was asking for help while we dismissed it thinking it was only Croatian.

l_mac
06-02-2010, 07:33 PM
Soderling is the present day Kafelnikov- a clean, pure striker of the ball who is capable of taking on good dirtballers and challenge for RG.

Agree there's not enough quality dirt players, however the conditions at Wimbledon enabled your man to win it so don't moan about clay.

I'm not moaning. Grass is slower, the claycourts, especially at RG, are faster, and rackets and strings mean that everyone can play the same game on every surface. In many ways I prefer the game now to how it was in the late mid-late 90s. :shrug: But Nadal could well be the last (great) player we'll see who plays a "clay game" on clay.

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:34 PM
I don't have the faintest idea, just thought he sounded so strange maybe he had swallowed a peanut the wrong way and was asking for help while we dismissed it thinking it was only Croatian.

:)

tektonac
06-02-2010, 07:34 PM
yep, da house is infested with croat haters. anyhow, meltzer good job, nole that was wta performance, you need wilson, dump HEAD and make some clean up in your head. cheers.

philosophicalarf
06-02-2010, 07:34 PM
Didn't think so at the time, but the ball was definitely in, you can see the trajectory here, about half a frame before it makes contact.....

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9852/zzzzzzfu.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/zzzzzzfu.jpg/)



It was flush on the line so was no mark, but Bernardes and Melzer pointed to a mark that was just out.

peribsen
06-02-2010, 07:36 PM
In many ways I prefer the game now to how it was in the late mid-late 90s. :shrug: But Nadal could well be the last (great) player we'll see who plays a "clay game" on clay.

This. Would be sad, clay should stay slow and hard fast and we should have some more grass tournaments, variety is fun.

Commander Data
06-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Didn't think so at the time, but the ball was definitely in, you can see the trajectory here, about half a frame before it makes contact.....

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9852/zzzzzzfu.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/zzzzzzfu.jpg/)



It was flush on the line so was no mark, but Bernardes and Melzer pointed to a mark that was just out.

yeah it is a tough decision for nole in that moment. because he might have won the match, if that was in. anyway. Rafa will win SF anyway..

Lopez
06-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Didn't think so at the time, but the ball was definitely in, you can see the trajectory here:

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9852/zzzzzzfu.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/zzzzzzfu.jpg/)



It was flush on the line so was no mark, but Bernardes and Melzer pointed to a mark that was just out.

I thought that it was out first, after seeing the replay I thought that it was in. But this is tennis, shame naturally that it happened at such a crucial stage.

rocketassist
06-02-2010, 07:44 PM
I'm not moaning. Grass is slower, the claycourts, especially at RG, are faster, and rackets and strings mean that everyone can play the same game on every surface. In many ways I prefer the game now to how it was in the late mid-late 90s. :shrug: But Nadal could well be the last (great) player we'll see who plays a "clay game" on clay.

That's where we differ then, I loved seeing Muster and Bruguera's heavy topspin slugfests weeks before Sampras and Krajicek would try to serve-volley each other off court. It's called variety and it made every slam different and interesting.

You do have a point though, there's no great clay guy coming through. Bellucci might make a few QFs, while Del Bonis has potential. But yeah, no more natural clay court players, nor grass court players.

peribsen
06-02-2010, 08:00 PM
I thought that it was out first, after seeing the replay I thought that it was in. But this is tennis, shame naturally that it happened at such a crucial stage.

Tough for Nole, but he has no one to blame but himself, you can't explain it all away by one ball in the 11th game of the 5th set. He bungled it. Period.

vn01
06-02-2010, 08:01 PM
Wow? Why Nole? Anyway,great performance Jurgen

Lopez
06-02-2010, 08:03 PM
Tough for Nole, but he has no one to blame but himself, you can't explain it all away by one ball in the 11th game of the 5th set. He bungled it. Period.

Did I state anything different :shrug: ?

ShotmaKer
06-02-2010, 08:13 PM
and all the people taking the piss out of those who said Melzer will make the semis.

Sunset of Age
06-02-2010, 08:15 PM
and all the people taking the piss out of those who said Melzer will make the semis.

There were quite a few of those around. :cool:

peribsen
06-02-2010, 08:18 PM
Did I state anything different :shrug: ?

No, I was agreeing with you, don't be so sensitive ;).

ShotmaKer
06-02-2010, 08:48 PM
There were quite a few of those around. :cool:

right on.

MIMIC
06-02-2010, 08:52 PM
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that horrible overrule.

HAWKEYE SHOULD BE AT THE FRENCH OPEN.

andylovesaustin
06-02-2010, 08:52 PM
I only saw a little bit of this match, and I didn't really know enough about Melzer to make any kind of prediction.

But just to see his face at the end.. grinning ear to ear was priceless.

Congrats to Melzer.

And.. Nole (I call him "jo-jo! :lol:) I felt really bad for him the chair umpire made a mistake on the call. Nole handled it very well though--or as best he could. :hug:

Well better luck at Wimby jo-jo! It seemed to me he was a good sport in defeat and a competitor throughout the match--or at least the little bit I saw... It didn't seem like he gave up or anything! So I'm proud of him, too.
Plus has Nole gotten cuter or what? :unsure:

Anyway, congrats to both players! This is turning out to be a pretty exciting French Open!

DuMa
06-02-2010, 08:58 PM
damn i missed a major portion of this match. stupid espn. right after the nadal match, they had a good chance to show this match in the 5th set for the most part but decided to go to the completion of the williams sisters double match. :mad:

props to jurgen. always great to see an 'old' guy reflame his motivation for a great run at a GS`

MIMIC
06-02-2010, 08:59 PM
Djoker's only shot at another grand slam is maybe the U.S. Open. Losing to Melzer and Kohlschreiber (players who had done absolutely NOTHING before the tournament) is unbelievable. If he lost to Verdasco, Ferrer or Davydenkom, that would be understandable. But Melzer? All Melzer had to do was play solid tennis and Novak couldn't even handle that.

Full credit to Melzer who played solid tennis.

Deivid23
06-02-2010, 09:02 PM
I don'tknow what replay you were watching but on ESPN2's replay, that ball clipped a tiny fraction of the line and point should have gone to Djoko. Benardes' error and a big one. I hope he gets taken aside later and is shown his error.

ESPN2 can fuck off. Move on, Melzer won

andylovesaustin
06-02-2010, 09:03 PM
Djoker's only shot at another grand slam is maybe the U.S. Open. Losing to Melzer and Kohlschreiber (players who had done absolutely NOTHING before the tournament) is unbelievable. If he lost to Verdasco, Ferrer or Davydenkom, that would be understandable. But Melzer? All Melzer had to do was play solid tennis and Novak couldn't even handle that.

Full credit to Melzer who played solid tennis.

I didn't see the match, so I really can't say. But looking at the score, yeah he let it slip away.

The last game I saw.. Nole was trying to hang in there, but I guess too little to late.

At the net, Nole was a good sport about it. I tell ya, that bad overrule..:eek: A lot of players would have thrown a fit. Nole tried.. but..the guy wouldn't even listen to him. Then to find-out on replay the ball was in!..

I think the French really needs to implement the challenge system.. or replay or something.

FormerRafaFan
06-02-2010, 09:09 PM
Sad that Nole lost, but well.. Kinda saw it coming. Nole hasn't played that well during RG and his allergies started to bother him again. I did win the biggest amount of vCash I've ever won by betting on Melzer though, so at least that's good :)

peribsen
06-02-2010, 09:10 PM
HAWKEYE SHOULD BE AT THE FRENCH OPEN.

It would have to be called 'oeil du faucon', and pronouncing it would be nightmarish for players and umpires.

tennizen
06-02-2010, 09:15 PM
Presser from Novak. Very dignified.

Q. When you were up 2 0 in the third set, not many people would have expected that you gonna lose that match. What is the reason for that? What do you think?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Well, I want to congratulate him first. I think he played really well in the last three sets.
But I made a big mistake, you know, there. I made him come back into the match with my unforced errors, and then he caught the momentum and he was playing really well, especially on his service games.
Yeah, I'm very disappointed, obviously, to lose the match that I was in control of totally a set and a break. This is tennis, you know. This is Grand Slams. You always have to play up to the end, because these things happen, especially at this stage of tournament.

Q. Your passing shot on the last game, was it touching the line for you?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: We can talk about this. If it was, it was. I don't know, really.
From my side and from my perspective, it was looking good. There was no space between the line and the mark, and that means the ball is good.
I don't know why the chair umpire got that decision. And there was another ball on 4 All, my advantage, as well, and the ball was out. But, you know, this is all part of the sport. What can you do?
Sometimes you have to be lucky as well with the calls.

Q. Do you know that Hawk Eye showed your passing shot was good, just barely? Did anybody tell you that?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: What can I say? Should I complain or what? I don't know. This is life.

Q. During the last two sets we saw you very often looking across the net at your opponent and shaking your head. Can you tell us what you were thinking about in those moments?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No.

Q. Were you wondering about how your opponent was playing?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I said I don't want to speak about it. Next question, please.

Q. To get back to the line call and Hawk Eye, you said, What can you do? Well, you are a member of the player council, and as a player on the council, you could suggest to the Grand Slams that Hawk Eye is adopted on clay as it is anywhere else.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No, I don't think there is any sense on getting Hawk Eye on clay courts. You can see the mark. I mean, for somebody there is a chair umpire and so many years and years experience, and to make such a mistake at that point is unbelievable, you know.
I mean, I don't know what was going on with him, but the ball was looking good from everywhere. Even on the TV you could see it was good. So, yeah, I mean, I can't blame him for losing this match, of course. That's one call.
Maybe that call came in my favor and maybe I would break him on that that game would be Love 30 and he would feel a little pressure. But I should have done my job earlier. That's definitely my fault, and I paid the consequences.

Q. What do you think the biggest difference is in Jurgen maybe from a year or two ago? He's not a young player, but he seems to have improved, especially in his toughness mentally.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: He's definitely a good player. I didn't expect an easy match today. I was very surprised with the way I was playing for two and a half sets. I was really aggressive and didn't make a lot of unforced errors and putting a lot of returns back.
But then, you know, I backed up a little bit and he used it. He started making much less unforced errors, and he was very aggressive using his serve very good. He definitely is a quality player.
What can I say else? I wish him good luck to the end.

Q. Concerning good luck, he will need good luck and a lot of good shots against Nadal. What do you think? Does he have a chance?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Everybody has a chance against everybody. Look, I mean, it's semifinals. For him it's first time. He doesn't have anything to lose, so Nadal is favored, but that's it.

Q. I know it's very difficult to feel positive on a day like this, Novak, but another Grand Slam is quickly around the corner. Do you think that's a good thing you, that you have a big, big tournament to concentrate on straightaway?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Look, I don't know what I'm thinking in this moment, because disappointment after the match that I was supposed to win. So I'm not thinking about I'm not thinking about Wimbledon in this moment.
Tomorrow is a new day, so I guess this is not the first time I have this feeling. I will have to overcome it in order to get ready.

Lalalovesong
06-02-2010, 09:15 PM
Anyway, I think Djokovic played a great tournament. He failed to reach the semis, but expect him to come back stronger and be a big threat in the upcoming slams.

e476
06-02-2010, 09:16 PM
Congrats to Melzer, but, ugh, Novak choked the match away. :rolleyes: They need to implement Hawk-eye and install lights here, but they never will.

Forehander
06-02-2010, 09:19 PM
Need a wheel chair to take you off the court Djokofakervic? :lol:

TMJordan
06-02-2010, 09:21 PM
This is tennis. Have been waiting for an effort like this out of Jurgen for years. So happy too see it.

Fuck yeah!

Sunset of Age
06-02-2010, 09:31 PM
I am happy with this result - eh, for the sole reason of me wanting Fedal to stay #2 and #1, respectively, as long as possible :angel: - no offense, disrespect, or whatever to Djokovic and his fans. :hug:

Djoko hasn't been up to his earlier GS-winning level for months now, it's as simple as it is. Man-up, Djoko, get yourself together again - tennis NEEDS you!
Great result for Melzer, can't help but be very, very happy for the guy. Congrats, Jürgen, even if it's set-in-stone that you will get bum-***** by Rafa coming Friday. Still a great run for the oldest guy still left in the tournament! :hatoff:

Need a wheel chair to take you off the court Djokofakervic? :lol:

This is very, very uncalled for. :(

born_on_clay
06-02-2010, 09:31 PM
Nole :o
losing to Melzer :o ?

ChinoRios4Ever
06-02-2010, 09:32 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssss, amazing for the game, great comeback Jurgen :D

l_mac
06-02-2010, 09:33 PM
Not even 200 posts :sad: Sad to see how far Nole has fallen.

ShotmaKer
06-02-2010, 09:35 PM
It would have to be called 'oeil du faucon', and pronouncing it would be nightmarish for players and umpires.

:lol:

batavlada
06-02-2010, 09:35 PM
Didn't think so at the time, but the ball was definitely in, you can see the trajectory here, about half a frame before it makes contact.....

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9852/zzzzzzfu.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/zzzzzzfu.jpg/)



It was flush on the line so was no mark, but Bernardes and Melzer pointed to a mark that was just out.



This is from today interview after the match:

Q. Do you know that Hawk Eye showed your passing shot was good, just barely? Did anybody tell you that?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: What can I say? Should I complain or what? I don't know. This is life.


About what HAWK EYE reporter talked?

Sophocles
06-02-2010, 09:40 PM
Poor old Djoko. Come on mate, ease up on the brooding Slavonic angst & get that old cockiness back.

ossie
06-02-2010, 09:40 PM
the djoker strikes again, expected more of him here at the french open

andylovesaustin
06-02-2010, 09:47 PM
Poor old Djoko. Come on mate, ease up on the brooding Slavonic angst & get that old cockiness back.

This exactly!

It would have to be called 'oeil du faucon', and pronouncing it would be nightmarish for players and umpires.

:rolls:

Mr. Oracle
06-02-2010, 10:09 PM
Q. Do you know that Hawk Eye showed your passing shot was good, just barely? Did anybody tell you that?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: What can I say? Should I complain or what? I don't know. This is life.

Typical anti-serb conspiracy. Novak broke that lost game and would have gone on to win the match,

San Rosso
06-02-2010, 10:14 PM
The only interesting match remaining now will be the final between Soderling and Nadal. Hate watching those 'nobodies', Nadal - Djokovic is alot more interesting that Nadal - Melzer, I'm pretty sure Djokovic would be more of a threat but that's tennis, it's weird sometimes.

Henry Chinaski
06-02-2010, 10:22 PM
Jurgen you fucking animal! :worship:

Great for the game.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Roddickominator
06-02-2010, 10:29 PM
The player with more heart won. Congrats to Melzer.

After Nole's GS win...he has been a huge disappointment.

Amber Spyglass
06-02-2010, 10:37 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Routine semi finals and good players struggling is good for the game? Ok then...

Sunset of Age
06-02-2010, 10:40 PM
Q. Do you know that Hawk Eye showed your passing shot was good, just barely? Did anybody tell you that?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: What can I say? Should I complain or what? I don't know. This is life.

Typical anti-serb conspiracy. Novak broke that lost game and would have gone on to win the match,

:silly: :haha:

Come on man, take his loss as a MAN!

The only interesting match remaining now will be the final between Soderling and Nadal. Hate watching those 'nobodies', Nadal - Djokovic is alot more interesting that Nadal - Melzer, I'm pretty sure Djokovic would be more of a threat but that's tennis, it's weird sometimes.

You seem to be forgetting a guy named 'Berdych'.
Never mind, only the true connaisseurs notice him. :p

FormerRafaFan
06-02-2010, 10:41 PM
Not even 200 posts :sad: Sad to see how far Nole has fallen.

That's because nobody are surprised. Most people even betted on Melzer in the vBetting..

I wasn't surprised he lost, but more surprised to see him get to the QF in the first place. He struggled a lot with his allergies, and he didn't seem to play really well anyway. He let it go to 4 sets more than once.

ShotmaKer
06-02-2010, 10:50 PM
:silly: :haha:

Come on man, take his loss as a MAN!


can't expect that much from a troll.

DJ Soup
06-02-2010, 10:52 PM
I've only seen parts of the match. That 9 deuces on Joker's serve in the fourth set was just pathetic. I got the impression both player were really tired.

Sunset of Age
06-02-2010, 10:53 PM
can't expect that much from a troll.

Oops, I forgot that major rule: Don't ever respond to trolls.
Happens to a lot of us eh. :angel:

Hellraiser
06-02-2010, 10:55 PM
Djoker's oldschool he isn't a man for a decider sets, no fitness as always out of gas in 5th.

Nystrom what a score with Melzer :worship:

FormerRafaFan
06-02-2010, 10:55 PM
Djoko hasn't been up to his earlier GS-winning level for months now, it's as simple as it is.

I agree with this, and it's quite sad really, because Djokovic is usually a great player. It's just that his allergies and other health issues kinda ruined the clay season for him. Sucks, but it's just how it is.. Hope he's able to do better in the upcoming slams though. Djokovic is not only a great player but a great entertainer with an awesome personality. Tennis needs someone like him, very few can beat him when he plays at his best level.

shotgun
06-02-2010, 11:14 PM
Not surprising. Great run by Jürgen, makes up for all the countless previous chokes.

tennishero
06-02-2010, 11:18 PM
melzer deserved to win.. but djokovic was crap, i cant believe he gave away the final game when he had chances to break back and melzer was shitting himself. weak from a player ranked #3.

Vida
06-02-2010, 11:22 PM
clownish match. tv guy was so excited like it was from another planet. in fact it was a tense encounter full of errors and tense moments, with 'break points down' streaks later in the match.

congrats to meltzer :yeah:

this djokovic guy looks drained overall, he is gasping for air and it isnt clicking when the chips are down. he is with breathing shit, and I fear he may be getting bit complacent. match was like to be calculated how much each has in the tank, at one point it started bad for novak and he basically could not recover.

idolwatcher1
06-02-2010, 11:31 PM
to use MTF logic, Djokovic "never had a chance" of winning this match. :)

FormerRafaFan
06-02-2010, 11:33 PM
this djokovic guy looks drained overall, he is gasping for air and it isnt clicking when the chips are down. he is with breathing shit, and I fear he may be getting bit complacent. match was like to be calculated how much each has in the tank, at one point it started bad for novak and he basically could not recover.

I agree. I think his alergies and breahting issues had a lot to do with his matches during RG. Djokovic is usually a very good player, but his level dropped playing in Paris. It seemed like he was struggling a lot, which is a shame. I really hope he can recover from all the health issues, but allergies in particular is tough to do anything with. Very unfortunate for a tennis player like Djoker :sad:

ShotmaKer
06-02-2010, 11:36 PM
melzer has no business in a GS semifinal. nole in 4 or 5 sets.

congrats to meltzer :yeah:

good to see you're giving props to the guy.

Sunset of Age
06-02-2010, 11:36 PM
I agree with this, and it's quite sad really, because Djokovic is usually a great player. It's just that his allergies and other health issues kinda ruined the clay season for him. Sucks, but it's just how it is.. Hope he's able to do better in the upcoming slams though. Djokovic is not only a great player but a great entertainer with an awesome personality. Tennis needs someone like him, very few can beat him when he plays at his best level.

The major problem seems to be - at least to me - is that a lot of current tennis fans seem to expect any a young-and-upcoming guy to be able to do what Fedal have done the past five years - total utter devastating domination.
Sorry to pass the Bad News: We might not be able to witness anything near to that for quite a couple of years - decades? - to follow, so enjoy it while it lasts... ;)

The Fedal Era is indeed coming to an end now, I believe (even if Rafa, being five years younger than Fed, might well manage to continue his domination on clay for several years to follow :D) - but don't expect any of the overhyped (?) young players to achieve what *they* managed to achieve the past five years.

Many are summoned to the Altar of Tennis Greatness, only very few actually manage to get there... :angel:

Best of wishes to Djoko. Hope he manages to get right back there.
Tennis needs him, indeed - and many others as well. :)

Voo de Mar
06-03-2010, 12:05 AM
Not surprising. Great run by Jürgen, makes up for all the countless previous chokes.

Melzer before today's match had 0-5 record in 5-setters coming back from 0-2 in sets, has lost many amazing matches in doubles but I think it's good to underline his excellent record in the final set tie-break, he's remarkable in this department with 24-8 (all levels)!!

philosophicalarf
06-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Melzer before today's match had 0-5 record in 5-setters coming back from 0-2 in sets, has lost many amazing matches in doubles but I think it's good to underline his excellent record in the final set tie-break, he's remarkable in this department with 24-8 (all levels)!!

Melzer has a number of such quirks, especially the tiebreak record in tight situations. In matches between odds of 1.75-2.33 his tiebreak record is 75%, pretty outstanding given these matches are all against opponents of roughly comparable quality (most of this is the Nystrom era). Meanwhile, as a heavy fav he doesn't even clear 50%.

Interesting psychological makeup this guy :-)

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 12:11 AM
melzer deserved to win.. but djokovic was crap, i cant believe he gave away the final game when he had chances to break back and melzer was shitting himself. weak from a player ranked #3.
Losing those chances to break is not comparable to how he lost his lead at that 3rd set.

paseo
06-03-2010, 12:34 AM
Djokovic is done.

Voo de Mar
06-03-2010, 12:41 AM
Interesting psychological makeup this guy :-)

Yes, he is. I was writing many times about Robredo's great record in the final set tie-break, Melzer is even better: 24-10 (70 %) to Robredo's 23-12 (65 %).

They played final set tie-break twice against each other and both times Melzer won:

Linz 2000: 2-6 6-4 7-6(10)
Vienna 2003: 6-2 6-7(4) 7-6(3)

I knew Melzer was good in this department but analyzed his whole career for the first time during last three days and I have to admit he's excellent in it, the biggest active specialist in the final set tie-break beside Carlos Moya.

Amber Spyglass
06-03-2010, 12:42 AM
Can't understand why Nole does not play mnore agressive. he was so great with that game. almost on par with Fed and Nadal.

This!!!
It's ridiculous,he plays aggressive and thumps Melzer 3,2 and 2-0,he then starts playing defensively and the sh*t hits the fan :rolleyes:

Matt01
06-03-2010, 12:47 AM
At least he fought at the end...

Oh, and that passing shot in the 5th set was clearly in :p

:sad:

Corey Feldman
06-03-2010, 01:12 AM
Thread title should be: Cheater defeats Djokovic.http://i39.tinypic.com/2d1toxd.gif

gulzhan
06-03-2010, 01:33 AM
At least he fought at the end...

Oh, and that passing shot in the 5th set was clearly in :p

:sad:

I also think it was in. I am also not sure Melzer showed the correct mark :tape: Hard to tell from TV of course.

Djokovic should finally learn that he may lose a match if he starts saving efforts too early. And too much. He was punished for his own smartness. After all, that was a 1/4 of a GS, not the best time to play tricks. He was back at his full in the 5th of course, but Melzer found his momentum already.

Happy for Melzer, but I also hoped for Nadal vs Djokovic semi.

Mimi
06-03-2010, 01:37 AM
:sad: poor Nole, he should have won

as always, Nole is gracious on defeat :worship::worship:

Caio_Brasil
06-03-2010, 01:57 AM
Nice stuff, good to see Jurgen at this stage.

malisha
06-03-2010, 02:04 AM
well deserved Melzer

mugs in here who want to make this epic win and match look dirty and with a "dark cloud" dont have a fucking clue

malisha
06-03-2010, 02:18 AM
Routine semi finals and good players struggling is good for the game? Ok then...

:lol:

so Melzer is not a good player eh?

Fumus
06-03-2010, 03:56 AM
I don't like Djokovic.

I don't really like Jurgen Melzer.

I feel bad for Novak. He got hooked bad in this one. His fault for letting it get this close or not...Life is not fair sometimes and I don't like that about tennis.

The Freak
06-03-2010, 04:03 AM
Melzer in a slam semi :tape:

All credit to him though, that's a great effort.

andy neyer
06-03-2010, 04:27 AM
Always good when Djokovic loses.

I_Dasco
06-03-2010, 04:27 AM
Well ... I dont like Melzer... And i think even if nole reachs Semi or Melzer.. They will both lost to Nadul, Sadly

purple_star
06-03-2010, 04:57 AM
nole.:sad:
i was really hoping for a nole-rafa semis.

Noleta
06-03-2010, 05:47 AM
Congratulations to all the Melzer fans:yeah::hug:Never stoped believing:yeah:

Novak,you're such a clownish mug:rolleyes:Totally dominating for 2 sets and a bit:confused:Shameful choke by the world no3:oPlease,don't bother showing up for the Grass season,your serve and allergies will only get worse:wavey:

Nekromanta
06-03-2010, 05:53 AM
He should stop acting for the crowd all the time and wallowing in self-pity, he would be owning everyone already if he stopped doing that.

Noleta
06-03-2010, 06:01 AM
He should stop acting for the crowd all the time and wallowing in self-pity, he would be owning everyone already if he stopped doing that.

You can not change someone's habits:shrug:

Commander Data
06-03-2010, 07:43 AM
Presser from Novak. Very dignified.

Indeed, great presser. :worship:

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-03-2010, 08:44 AM
wow novak, really dissapointed. Melzer played well but...

he was 2 sets up and cruising ffs

Bernard Black
06-03-2010, 11:09 AM
Great stuff from Melzer and having a grand slam semi on his CV will make much sweeter reading at the end of his career. The backhand dropshots and vicious forehands down the line were great to watch.

Amber Spyglass
06-03-2010, 11:41 AM
:lol:

so Melzer is not a good player eh?

Where did I say Melzer wasn't a good player :confused:Because I believe he will be routined by Nadal does not mean I don't think he is a good player(there are many good players routined by Nadal).And obviously Djokovic leading by 2 sets to love and a break and eventually going on to lose can only be explained as a good player struggling which is sad to see but how this has anything to do with how I rate Melzer's capabilities is beyond me.You should leave deciphering snide undertones in a basic straightforward post to someone else because your not very good at it I'm afraid

malisha
06-03-2010, 12:04 PM
Where did I say Melzer wasn't a good player :confused:Because I believe he will be routined by Nadal does not mean I don't think he is a good player(there are many good players routined by Nadal).And obviously Djokovic leading by 2 sets to love and a break and eventually going on to lose can only be explained as a good player struggling which is sad to see but how this has anything to do with how I rate Melzer's capabilities is beyond me.You should leave deciphering snide undertones in a basic straightforward post to someone else because your not very good at it I'm afraid

i know what you said...dont even try to mask it with this post

you replyed to Henrys post and asked how this is good for the game when talented players are finally fulfill their potential yet "good" players are struggling

And Djoko was indeed leading 2 sets to love and a break but he lost because there was a better player on the other side of the net that day...not because he was struggling...and if you cant see that its not my fault

hope this helps

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 12:25 PM
i know what you said...dont even try to mask it with this post

you replyed to Henrys post and asked how this is good for the game when talented players are finally fulfill their potential yet "good" players are struggling

And Djoko was indeed leading 2 sets to love and a break but he lost because there was a better player on the other side of the net that day...not because he was struggling...and if you cant see that its not my fault

hope this helps
That is true about the 5th set, but he was something like 18/10 in the W/UE ratio in the 1st and 2nd set and it fell to 5/19 in the 3rd. Serve percentage dropped from 80% to 55% and he lost 6 straight games after leading that set 2-0.

In the last 3 sets Melzer hardly played better then in the 1st one.

malisha
06-03-2010, 12:29 PM
agreed about the first part..Djoko played great agressive stuff in first 2 sets

But if you think that Melzer didnt play better in last 3 sets you are very wrong

just look at his Winner/UE ratio in first 2 sets and in the last 3...big difference...therefore its easy to say that Malzer lifted his game and Djoko stepped back

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 12:34 PM
agreed about the first part..Djoko played great agressive stuff in first 2 sets

But if you think that Melzer didnt play better in last 3 sets you are very wrong

just look at his Winner/UE ratio in first 2 sets and in the last 3...big difference...therefore its easy to say that Malzer lifted his game and Djoko stepped back
It's easy to say that Djokovic started playing his pushing tennis wich doesn't hurt anyone and is much easier to attack. I don't know why exactly he started playing like a clown, but it was right from the 2-0 game in the 3rd set like I said at the time in the livescoring thread.

Melzer played a good 1st set, there's no winner he made in the last 3 sets that he didn't make in the 1st one, the difference is that the opportunity to go for that kind of shot appears a lot less when Djokovic is playing well.

malisha
06-03-2010, 12:44 PM
dunno why Djoko lacked agression in 3. and 4. set but its wasnt expected for him before the match that he will serve at 80% and it was not like he was just spining them in...he served very well and guy is struggling with his serve for some time now

While he was serving great he was agressive and the whole game worked well...once the serve deserted him he started to make UE-s and Jurgen was attacking his serve much better with deeper returns...momentum switched and Jurgen stayed strong

Melzer is a huge headcase and was known for his weak mentallity against top players during his carrer...thats why this win is so big for him and his fans ofcourse

and yes like many posters in this thread said its good for the game that players like him who always had the game under their belt finally can put it all together

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 12:48 PM
dunno why Djoko lacked agression in 3. and 4. set but its wasnt expected for him before the match that he will serve at 80% and it was not like he was just spining them in...he served very well and guy is struggling with his serve for some time now

While he was serving great he was agressive and the whole game worked well...once the serve deserted him he started to make UE-s and Jurgen was attacking his serve much better with deeper returns...momentum switched and Jurgen stayed strong

Melzer is a huge headcase and was known for his weak mentallity against top players during his carrer...thats why this win is so big for him and his fans ofcourse
I don't think he served well, actually, his 1st serve is still a mess, Melzer should have put them into court more often than he did. But I still don't think it was his serve that caused his poor game, and judging by his interview even he doesn't know what did it.

malisha
06-03-2010, 12:53 PM
maybe you are wright but i think its all connected

If you serve good(for your standards and Djoko was serving well for this new standards)...or put it this way if a good returner like Melzer cant hurt you much on your serve you feel pretty confidant and then its easyer to play agressive but when you cant hold serve then it affects your entire game

i colud be wrong ofcourse

Start da Game
06-03-2010, 12:57 PM
average form, just unable to take his game to the next level when he has to.......simple as that.......bravo melzer, great victory.......

Start da Game
06-03-2010, 12:58 PM
:sad: poor Nole, he should have won

as always, Nole is gracious on defeat :worship::worship:

that's how one should be mimi.......and that's why he is called the serbian pride.......

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 01:00 PM
Maybe it is this, it's just that the first thing I noticed going wrong with him was his ground game.

Amber Spyglass
06-03-2010, 01:03 PM
i know what you said...dont even try to mask it with this post

you replyed to Henrys post and asked how this is good for the game when talented players are finally fulfill their potential yet "good" players are struggling

And Djoko was indeed leading 2 sets to love and a break but he lost because there was a better player on the other side of the net that day...not because he was struggling...and if you cant see that its not my fault

hope this helps

Look bottom line is Melzer is genuinely a good player(I'm not being sarcastic) and put in an amazing effort to turn that around yesterday so kudos but I'm sorry if it doesn't fill me with joy to see him finally "fulfill his potential" when he's just going to get a beatdown in the next round in what is most likely going to be a boring once sided encounter but I'll put my hands up and and feel free to bump this post if I'm wrong...

Djokovic was playing really aggressive for 2 sets and a bit and not allowing Melzer to play his own aggressive style.Djokovic then suddenly backed up as if he started thinking just keep the ball in court and cut out needless unforced errors to see this match through.Of course Melzer having been given the inititive now in the rallies jumped all over it and started dominating.Melzer had been capable of playing that tennis from the very first point of the match but Djokovic had prevented him with his own attacking play.Melzer would not have won this match if Djokovic had persevered with his aggressive play but instead he changed tactics for no good reason.A player changing from aggressive winning tennis to defensive passive sh*t when they were in a commanding position is in my opinion a player who is "struggling" with their mentality and confidence.And if you didn't see the match like this then we're just going to have to agree to diagree :wavey:

malisha
06-03-2010, 01:08 PM
fair enough @Amber Spyglass...i appreciate an honest reply.

cheers

Start da Game
06-03-2010, 01:13 PM
Look bottom line is Melzer is genuinely a good player(I'm not being sarcastic) and put in an amazing effort to turn that around yesterday so kudos but I'm sorry if it doesn't fill me with joy to see him finally "fulfill his potential" when he's just going to get a beatdown in the next round in what is most likely going to be a boring once sided encounter but I'll put my hands up and and feel free to bump this post if I'm wrong...

Djokovic was playing really aggressive for 2 sets and a bit and not allowing Melzer to play his own aggressive style.Djokovic then suddenly backed up as if he started thinking just keep the ball in court and cut out needless unforced errors to see this match through.Of course Melzer having been given the inititive now in the rallies jumped all over it and started dominating.Melzer had been capable of playing that tennis from the very first point of the match but Djokovic had prevented him with his own attacking play.Melzer would not have won this match if Djokovic had persevered with his aggressive play but instead he changed tactics for no good reason.A player changing from aggressive winning tennis to defensive passive sh*t when they were in a commanding position is in my opinion a player who is "struggling" with their mentality and confidence.And if you didn't see the match like this then we're just going to have to agree to diagree :wavey:

i think i agree with this.......even nadal has this habit of losing focus and falling back on passive shit when he is in the lead.......the difference being nadal gets it done somehow with his will to keep himself in the contest and grind down the opponent.......

in a way, this defeat has happened for the good of djokovic......djokovic would have most probably lost against nadal and that certainly wouldn't have been a comfortable feeling to be beaten by the better player 4 times in 5 years.......

it's good to lose in a quarterfinal than to lose in a semifinal after having done all the hardwork and falling a step short again for the runner up prize.......

malisha
06-03-2010, 01:18 PM
I think Djoko better get out of top 10 for some time and then i want to see a cocky guy full of passion for the game when hes back with agressive going for the lines tennis

I think most of his fans think this way(true fans)

If he keeps this up he will always be top 10 player cos his defence is too good for most of the players out there....but when you know hes capable of so much more then even a top 5 is not good enough

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 01:26 PM
I would still blame the new racket, since trading it he never played the great tennis he used to have. And I think it's too late to return to the Wilson, his forehand is totally different and does not compare to how it used to be.

Amber Spyglass
06-03-2010, 01:41 PM
I think Djoko better get out of top 10 for some time and then i want to see a cokcy guy full of passion for the game when hes back with agressive going for the lines tennis

I think most of his fans think this way(true fans)

If he keeps this up he will always be top 10 player cos his defence is too good for most of the players out there....but when you know hes capable of so much more then even a top 5 is not good enough

Agree with this,the defence is enough to grind out most average players and because of his high ranking he doesn't meet a good player capable of exploiting it until R16 or QF's etc.By reaching the quarters in most slams with the exception of 2 out of 10 in the last two years(and start of 2010) and good masters runs he preserves his ranking and so the cycle continues.When he was coming up players were ranked much higher than him and so he was made to hit through them in order to win and everybody could see he really enjoyed the challenge.If he was ranked outside the top ten he would be meeting quality players much sooner and he would be forced to play that aggressive tennis just to hang around the top twenty.As it is his ranking is like a cushion continually padding him and papering over the cracks.It seems he is so worried about results and expectations that he plays defensive in an attempt not to lose.It's a shame because if he only played the original way he did with that confident cocky attitude he could be a real threat...

paseo
06-03-2010, 02:15 PM
i think i agree with this.......even nadal has this habit of losing focus and falling back on passive shit when he is in the lead.......the difference being nadal gets it done somehow with his will to keep himself in the contest and grind down the opponent.......

in a way, this defeat has happened for the good of djokovic......djokovic would have most probably lost against nadal and that certainly wouldn't have been a comfortable feeling to be beaten by the better player 4 times in 5 years.......

it's good to lose in a quarterfinal than to lose in a semifinal after having done all the hardwork and falling a step short again for the runner up prize.......

No way. Losing to a better player is easier to accept than losing to an inferior one. No what-ifs in your mind. And, I don't think there's any professional athlete that rather lose in QF than SF.

Guga_fan
06-03-2010, 02:27 PM
No way. Losing to a better player is easier to accept than losing to an inferior one. No what-ifs in your mind. And, I don't think there's any professional athlete that rather lose in QF than SF.
And it's better for your confidence to lose on clay to one of the best ever on the surface than to lose a match you had in your hands.

Amber Spyglass
06-03-2010, 03:00 PM
No way. Losing to a better player is easier to accept than losing to an inferior one. No what-ifs in your mind. And, I don't think there's any professional athlete that rather lose in QF than SF.

Agree with this and from the state of Djoko in that presser so does he.He might be having struggles and in a real slump but I think Djokovic would give up tennis for good if he ever found himself feeling relieved that he lost a QF(in which he was in a very good position)so he could avoid a beatdown in the next round.He was asked a couple of times this week about a possible semi with Rafa,he said he was taking it one match at at time but that if he did get there he would love to have that challenge again.Funnily enough,with the pressure off(due to current form and Nadal being the heavy favourite),while I'm sure he would have lost,I think he would have given a really good match,his best in long while at least and had he won against Melzer in three,he would have gained confidence from that going in.Tbh I think it is much better for Novak's confidence to beat the players ranked lower than him and reach his seeding i.e make the semis, than the damage any possible loss to Rafa might do

Noleta
06-03-2010, 03:44 PM
it's good to lose in a quarterfinal than to lose in a semifinal after having done all the hardwork and falling a step short again for the runner up prize.......

That's a very strange logic:scratch:

I think Djoko better get out of top 10 for some time and then i want to see a cocky guy full of passion for the game when hes back with agressive going for the lines tennis

I think most of his fans think this way(true fans)

If he keeps this up he will always be top 10 player cos his defence is too good for most of the players out there....but when you know hes capable of so much more then even a top 5 is not good enough

Agree.

christallh24
06-03-2010, 04:41 PM
(has any player ever had such a JOKE of a draw as Nadal has had here?)

Roger RG, Wimbly '09? :shrug:And potenially Wimbly and US Open '10?:shrug:

Nole :hug::sobbing:

Corey Feldman
06-03-2010, 04:42 PM
Roger RG, Wimbly '09? :shrug:And potenially Wimbly and US Open '10?:shrug:

epic fail, but nice try anyway

Nadal's draw in Wim 06 and AO 08 come to mind

Orka_n
06-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Roger RG, Wimbly '09? :shrug: And potenially Wimbly and US Open '10? :shrug:Potentially? What an argument :lol:

Well done, Melzi. These upsets are good for tennis.

Bagelicious
06-03-2010, 06:48 PM
:lol: Sad to see Djoko in such poor form, but congrats to Melzer!

Vida
06-03-2010, 07:49 PM
for novak, it boils down how much was he slacking these past few months, if at all.

ZaZoo)
06-03-2010, 08:21 PM
I blame racquet as well, he had flat shots with more pace back then.Not this mambo jambo shit.

tektonac
06-04-2010, 02:43 AM
I blame racquet as well, he had flat shots with more pace back then.Not this mambo jambo shit.

spot on, his fh was just devastating with Wilson, flat, nothing to work with (Tsonga's words after he lost AO 2008 finals) and now he is moonballing with that head shit and the most annoying thing he still says that recquet is great?? not to mention his ever notorious stamina. i think he'll end up being #6-9 by year end.

philosophicalarf
06-04-2010, 03:27 PM
i think he'll end up being #6-9 by year end.

Hard to see that happening, cos he mugs his way through to too many masters/slams qfs, and he's pretty much king of the 500s (and the de facto 500 that is Bercy).

Even if he's not anywhere near his best lately, he's still getting a hell of a lot of points out of what he's producing.

Start da Game
06-04-2010, 04:22 PM
No way. Losing to a better player is easier to accept than losing to an inferior one. No what-ifs in your mind. And, I don't think there's any professional athlete that rather lose in QF than SF.

And it's better for your confidence to lose on clay to one of the best ever on the surface than to lose a match you had in your hands.

Agree with this and from the state of Djoko in that presser so does he.He might be having struggles and in a real slump but I think Djokovic would give up tennis for good if he ever found himself feeling relieved that he lost a QF(in which he was in a very good position)so he could avoid a beatdown in the next round.He was asked a couple of times this week about a possible semi with Rafa,he said he was taking it one match at at time but that if he did get there he would love to have that challenge again.Funnily enough,with the pressure off(due to current form and Nadal being the heavy favourite),while I'm sure he would have lost,I think he would have given a really good match,his best in long while at least and had he won against Melzer in three,he would have gained confidence from that going in.Tbh I think it is much better for Novak's confidence to beat the players ranked lower than him and reach his seeding i.e make the semis, than the damage any possible loss to Rafa might do


That's a very strange logic:scratch:





sometimes defeats to lesser players can be brushed aside easily compared to players who you know you just might not overcome in any case.......i don't think djokovic will be all that disappointed with this defeat........

he would really have been down mentally, had he lost to nadal again.......it's a sickening feeling to discover the harsh truth over and over that you are just not good enough to overcome nadal on clay.......i for one believe that djokovic has the game to take nadal out one day at the FO but it was never going to happen this time.......good that he lost to a different player because he can overcome it quickly.......

now if he is pitted against rafa in wimbledon again, he would fancy his chances a lot more.......would he have the same feeling if he got thrashed by rafa in the semis at FO?

think about it.......

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 04:32 PM
sometimes defeats to lesser players can be brushed aside easily compared to players who you know you just might not overcome in any case.......i don't think djokovic will be all that disappointed with this defeat........

he would really have been down mentally, had he lost to nadal again.......it's a sickening feeling to discover the harsh truth over and over that you are just not good enough to overcome nadal on clay.......i for one believe that djokovic has the game to take nadal out one day at the FO but it was never going to happen this time.......good that he lost to a different player because he can overcome it quickly.......

now if he is pitted against rafa in wimbledon again, he would fancy his chances a lot more.......would he have the same feeling if he got thrashed by rafa in the semis at FO?

think about it.......

Djokovic will be very lucky to get as far to meet Nadal at Wimbledon.

Start da Game
06-04-2010, 04:34 PM
Djokovic will be very lucky to get as far to meet Nadal at Wimbledon.

perhaps right considering his current state, but i was just stating an example.......

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 04:36 PM
Novak will only ever win that match up on fast HC- elsewhere he has little hope.

l_mac
06-04-2010, 04:37 PM
Maybe Nole fans should accept that his late 07-AO 08 level was just a fluke :shrug: His true level is what he's been showing the last 2 years.

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 04:39 PM
Maybe Nole fans should accept that his late 07-AO 08 level was just a fluke :shrug: His true level is what he's been showing the last 2 years.

Innit.

And he still needed the mighty mono virus to win his slam for him. Del Boring may send me to sleep but at least he beat the top two at 100%

Start da Game
06-04-2010, 04:47 PM
djokovic and del pot maybe down now but they belong to a bigger league than these defenseless one dimensional fluke bashers like soderling, cilic.......

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 04:51 PM
djokovic and del pot maybe down now but they belong to a bigger league than these defenseless one dimensional fluke bashers like soderling, cilic.......

Del Potro is a basher himself man. :lol: Just one who's more conservative, hence he doesn't make the errors an 'explosive' one makes.

Both those slam winners you mention are one dimensional. They don't volley well and they're factory players with one way of playing. Variety is the likes of Federer, Murray, Haas, Nalbandian etc...

Soderling is a ball 'striker' rather than a basher.

Amber Spyglass
06-04-2010, 05:09 PM
Maybe Nole fans should accept that his late 07-AO 08 level was just a fluke :shrug: His true level is what he's been showing the last 2 years.

:speakles: :tears: :drink:

Matt01
06-04-2010, 06:39 PM
Maybe Nole fans should accept that his late 07-AO 08 level was just a fluke :shrug: His true level is what he's been showing the last 2 years.


No. :)

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 06:47 PM
No. :)
Yes :)

Jokeovic is never going to win a slam again, his present form is what he's always going to be like :)

Priam
06-04-2010, 06:49 PM
He should thank Todd Martin big time.

@Sweet Cleopatra
06-04-2010, 06:50 PM
Yes :)

Jokeovic is never going to win a slam again, his present form is what he's always going to be like :)

Do you feel happy for trying to make every one hopeless?

ZaZoo)
06-04-2010, 06:51 PM
Yes :)

Jokeovic is never going to win a slam again, his present form is what he's always going to be like :)

Nooooooooooooo, don't say that, I'm burniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing............AAaaaaaaaaa

DwyaneWade
06-04-2010, 06:58 PM
Del Potro is a basher himself man. :lol: Just one who's more conservative, hence he doesn't make the errors an 'explosive' one makes.

Both those slam winners you mention are one dimensional. They don't volley well and they're factory players with one way of playing. Variety is the likes of Federer, Murray, Haas, Nalbandian etc...

Soderling is a ball 'striker' rather than a basher.

Murray :confused:

He is the biggest pusher in the top ten.

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 07:04 PM
Wrong, he has great variety, can be aggresive and is great at volleying. He isn't a pusher :)

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 07:06 PM
Do you feel happy for trying to make every one hopeless?I don't feel bad :)

Djokovic will be stuck at this level, which is quite a bad level for the no.3 in the world. Will be surprised to see him win another masters title :)

Amber Spyglass
06-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Wrong, he has great variety, can be aggresive and is great at volleying. He isn't a pusher :)

Thanks man for bringing the laughs :yeah:
Oh Murray can be aggressive alright,just can't get the ball in court when he is for 8/10 shots- I've lost count of the number of lame forehands(in an attempt to be aggressive)he has slapped into the net and the backhands screaming down the side alley of the tramlines,sure he makes a few and they look good but the majority...NO.Experts say Murray should be more aggressive in order to win slams.Bottom line is he can't be anywhere near consistent enough with his aggression so that's why he pushes(oh pardon me,I forgot- with a few dropshots thrown in also)

rocketassist
06-04-2010, 08:11 PM
Murray :confused:

He is the biggest pusher in the top ten.

He's multi-dimensional, like Hewitt- can attack, defend and actually volleys rather well.

Persimmon
06-04-2010, 08:26 PM
Nole plateaud in early 2008. It's been downslope since then. I knew he was going downslope when he lost to Safin at Wimbledon.:o He is not winning anymore slams.

Vida
06-04-2010, 08:48 PM
djokovic looked like he was 5 - 10 kilos lighter than some time.

ossie
06-04-2010, 08:58 PM
Nooooooooooooo, don't say that, I'm burniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing............AAaaaaaaaaaif he doesnt evolve his game he can stay stuck in his current form for a long while (much like rafa)