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All-Around Player

paseo
06-01-2010, 11:14 AM
Obviously, player nowadays mostly play a baseline game, but I feel like some of them have the skills to play an all-around game. You know, good serve, good ground strokes, and a good net game. I think Murray, Haas, Tsonga, Gasquet, and of course, Federer, all have the skills to play all-around. What do you think? Who do you feel has the skills to be an all-around player?

I'm gonna make a poll to see who do you think has the best all-around skills on the tour. I'm sorry if the player of your choice is not on the poll, just pick "other". One more thing, the poll's gonna be "Aside from FEDERER". Cause if he's in the poll, almost everybody will pick him :p Yes, I know, Fed has the best all-around game on tour. So, maybe it's a poll for 2nd best.

Selby
06-01-2010, 11:23 AM
Davydenko of Del-Potro IMO

Certinfy
06-01-2010, 11:24 AM
I would go with Davydenko here.

peribsen
06-01-2010, 11:27 AM
Funny you should choose to relegate into the 'other' category the only active player besides Federer that happens to have won slams on 3 different surfaces. Sums up your balanced view of tennis pretty well. What a joke.

Roamed
06-01-2010, 11:32 AM
Funny you should choose to relegate into the 'other' category the only active player besides Federer that happens to have won slams on 3 different surfaces. Sums up your balanced view of tennis pretty well. What a joke.

I think the poster is talking about having a varied gamestyle rather than being a good all-court player.

tennishero
06-01-2010, 11:34 AM
roddick?

mods delete this thread.

DJ Soup
06-01-2010, 11:37 AM
Nalbandian

peribsen
06-01-2010, 11:41 AM
I think the poster is talking about having a varied gamestyle rather than being a good all-court player.

I know, but even in that regard, do you really think Murray for example is overehlmingly better in the net or can S&V so much better than Nadal? I would never say Nadal has the best all-round game, even after excluding Fed, but I am certain he has the shots to make the list above and his abscense from it is a travesty of what balanced tennis fans have been watching these last 6 years. That is how I see it.

paseo
06-01-2010, 11:41 AM
Funny you should choose to relegate into the 'other' category the only active player besides Federer that happens to have won slams on 3 different surfaces. Sums up your balanced view of tennis pretty well. What a joke.
I'm not talking about achievements. Of course Nadal is better than all of the players in the poll. But I just don't think Nadal has a good enough serve and net game. That's it.


roddick?

mods delete this thread.

:D

Well. Roddick has a super serve, good enough ground game, and an effective net-game.

peribsen
06-01-2010, 11:52 AM
I'm not talking about achievements. Of course Nadal is better than all of the players in the poll. But I just don't think Nadal has a good enough serve and net game. That's it.

Fair enough, you're entitled to your views.

Orka_n
06-01-2010, 11:55 AM
I would go with Davydenko here.Me too.

peribsen
06-01-2010, 11:59 AM
Davydenko and Delpo seem likely candidates.

zcess81
06-01-2010, 12:00 PM
Davydenko and Delpo seem likely candidates.

Both are useless on grass, so no.

Sophocles
06-01-2010, 12:02 PM
I know, but even in that regard, do you really think Murray for example is overehlmingly better in the net or can S&V so much better than Nadal?

Yes I do.

bokehlicious
06-01-2010, 12:03 PM
I know, but even in that regard, do you really think Murray for example is overehlmingly better in the net or can S&V so much better than Nadal?

Yes he is :rolleyes:... Fanboy :lol:

zcess81
06-01-2010, 12:03 PM
Yes I do.

REALLY?

Are you answering with your head or your heart?

peribsen
06-01-2010, 12:05 PM
Yes he is :rolleyes:... Fanboy :lol:

Seems like you've been missing a lot of matches these last years...

Sophocles
06-01-2010, 12:07 PM
Reasonable choices, but they all have something wrong:

Murray - crap rallying forehand, crap 2nd serve.
Haas - average forehand, movement not the best.
Tsonga - crap backhand, crap return of serve.
Gasquet - generally crap forehand, average serve.
Roddick - crap backhand, crap return, crap net game.
Berdych - hmm... dodgy movement.
Melzer - has an all-around game, but is at a lower level than the other players are.
Hewitt - average forehand, average 2nd serve.
Cilic - dodgy backhand.

Berdych possibly the best bet.

bokehlicious
06-01-2010, 12:09 PM
Seems like you've been missing a lot of matches these last years...

Not really, Nadal slightly adapts to the surface... Slightly being the key word here ;)

FormerRafaFan
06-01-2010, 12:09 PM
I think Verdasco is good on all surfaces, well, at least HC and clay. Not so sure about grass. He did prove what a great clay courter he is this season. Such a shame he lost yesterday, but that's what you get for overplaying. Hopefully his schedule will be better for next year, and should make the QF at RG :)

Sophocles
06-01-2010, 12:09 PM
REALLY?

Are you answering with your head or your heart?

Murray is better at the net than Nadal. Surely this isn't a matter for debate?

peribsen
06-01-2010, 12:13 PM
Murray is better at the net than Nadal. Surely this isn't a matter for debate?

That isn´t really the point here. The point is whether the difference is so huge that it validates Nadal not making a list that includes the likes of Cilic or Melzer, not to mention Tsonga!

Abc Tennis
06-01-2010, 12:14 PM
Berdych possibly the best bet.

Crap volleys.
And does he know what a slice is? :confused:

bokehlicious
06-01-2010, 12:15 PM
If Nadal is considered an all-rounder then you could pretty much include every pro in the poll as well :shrug:

n8
06-01-2010, 12:16 PM
Ironically, by excluding Nadal you have almost guaranteed to make this thread a lot about him.

I would say Hewitt. Excellent vollies, lobs, and good groundies, speed and serve. Good enough record on all surfaces (including clay: 2 clay titles, 2 RG quarters, 4 clay MS semis). Of course, I am probably referring more to his younger years, but he still has a good all round game today.

paseo
06-01-2010, 12:25 PM
Maybe the poll is not to everyone's liking, but maybe the only player that I think should've been there (cause I forgot) is Nalbandian.

Davydenko's serve & net game not good enough and Del Potro is lacking skills at the net.

ShotmaKer
06-01-2010, 12:28 PM
i'm going with Berdych.

DwyaneWade
06-01-2010, 01:18 PM
I am not saying it is Nadal (it isn't), but he is a lot closer than some of the players on this list. Hewitt with that serve? Gasquet with that inconsistent FH? And you justify not putting Nadal on this list how?

Singularity
06-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Wouldn't Djokovic be a reasonable inclusion in the poll? I know his net game isn't great, but neither is Roddick's, and his groundstrokes are more solid off both wings. His serve is currently a liability but it wasn't always that way.

Djokovic in AO 08 form, would be a worthy contendor IMO.

nalbyfan
06-01-2010, 01:29 PM
Nalby of course...

Har-Tru
06-01-2010, 01:30 PM
I know, but even in that regard, do you really think Murray for example is overehlmingly better in the net or can S&V so much better than Nadal?

Definitely.

peribsen
06-01-2010, 01:31 PM
Good heavens! How could I fail to notice Djoko wasn´t in the poll either? Another 'Djoke'! Thank you for pointing it out, Singularity.

zcess81
06-01-2010, 01:31 PM
Wouldn't Djokovic be a reasonable inclusion in the poll? I know his net game isn't great, but neither is Roddick's, and his groundstrokes are more solid off both wings. His serve is currently a liability but it wasn't always that way.

Djokovic in AO 08 form, would be a worthy contendor IMO.

This list is an utter joke...where is Nadal? He's not even on the list! You can say whatever you want about his game BUT the guy has won AO, WIMBLEDON (also been finalist twice), FO...been to USO semis, won countless clay/HC masters. If that doesn't prove that he's the best all rounder apart from Fed, I don't know what does. All other players on that list have won practically nothing COMBINED (on all surfaces) to even challenge Nadal's achievements. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR that, all things taken into account, Nadal is best all rounder after Fed.

barbadosan
06-01-2010, 01:44 PM
This list is an utter joke...where is Nadal? He's not even on the list! You can say whatever you want about his game BUT the guy has won AO, WIMBLEDON (also been finalist twice), FO...been to USO semis, won countless clay/HC masters. If that doesn't prove that he's the best all rounder apart from Fed, I don't know what does. All other players on that list have won practically nothing COMBINED (on all surfaces) to even challenge Nadal's achievements. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR that, all things taken into account, Nadal is best all rounder after Fed.

I didn't get the impression the OP was talking about achievements. It is possible in these days to win, or just play, matches on different surfaces with essentially the same type of game - which is not necessarily an all-round game.

laurie-1
06-01-2010, 01:47 PM
I think David Nalbandian has a good all round game.

Certinfy
06-01-2010, 01:48 PM
Lets face it, every player has at least 1 flaw in his game. :shrug:

Sophocles
06-01-2010, 01:53 PM
Nadal's isn't the first name that springs to mind when you're thinking "all-court" player, even though he's competent at the net & has an excellent smash, & even though his serve is under-rated & hard for all except tall players with 2-handed backhands to handle. He is of course much better at what he does well than any of the players in the poll.

LEGENDOFTENNIS
06-01-2010, 02:07 PM
Nalbandian

zcess81
06-01-2010, 02:10 PM
I didn't get the impression the OP was talking about achievements. It is possible in these days to win, or just play, matches on different surfaces with essentially the same type of game - which is not necessarily an all-round game.

All the players on that list are essentially baseline players. Todays game is about being solid in baseline ralleys. How often does fed s&v in a particular match? Not very often. I think in 2008 Wimbledon Nadal S&V more than Fed...even commentators noticed it. Todays game is all abour baseline exchanges. You can dress it up any way you want, but being an allround player simply means being able to translate your game/win matches on all surfaces and Nadal is 2nd best. That's it.

bokehlicious
06-01-2010, 02:14 PM
Time to change your sig zcess and switch Fed with Nole :shrug: :D :p

San Rosso
06-01-2010, 02:15 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Djokovic get to the semi finals in every grandslam at least once. I'm pretty sure he's a great all-round player, up there with Murray.

zcess81
06-01-2010, 02:40 PM
Time to change your sig zcess and switch Fed with Nole :shrug: :D :p

I'll wait a little longer before I make a permanent switch. I give Nole till USO to sort his serve out!

tennishero
06-01-2010, 03:11 PM
Nalbandian, Federer, Haas

Guga_fan
06-01-2010, 03:18 PM
Nalbandian

ChuckNorrisFan
06-01-2010, 03:23 PM
Karlovic

peribsen
06-01-2010, 03:27 PM
Karlovic

This.

Lopez
06-01-2010, 03:31 PM
I think in 2008 Wimbledon Nadal S&V more than Fed...even commentators noticed it.

Nadal S&V'd once, at 30-15 when serving for the match. I'm pretty sure that Fed did it more.

Some people are saying Del Potro or Davydenko? They are hopeless at the net. Davydenko especially with his glorious two-handed backhand volley :p

Melzer is a good choice, however he's not as good a player as some of those on the list as Sophocles said.

Youzhny is a player that comes to my mind at least. Berdych also, though his lateral movement isn't that good.

zcess81
06-01-2010, 03:38 PM
Nadal S&V'd once, at 30-15 when serving for the match. I'm pretty sure that Fed did it more.

Some people are saying Del Potro or Davydenko? They are hopeless at the net. Davydenko especially with his glorious two-handed backhand volley :p

Melzer is a good choice, however he's not as good a player as some of those on the list as Sophocles said.

Youzhny is a player that comes to my mind at least. Berdych also, though his lateral movement isn't that good.

I mean in the whole tournament not just the final.

Lopez
06-01-2010, 03:44 PM
I mean in the whole tournament not just the final.

Alright, that might be true, don't have a clue :)

Fiberlight1
06-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Where is Taylor Dent on this list?

Sophocles
06-01-2010, 05:03 PM
What about Stepanek?

Start da Game
06-01-2010, 05:24 PM
nalbandian.......

paseo
06-01-2010, 05:31 PM
Where is Taylor Dent on this list?
Dent baseline game is not good enough.

What about Stepanek?

I thought about putting him in the poll. Forget why I didn't. Maybe because his baseline game is not good enough.

scarecrows
06-01-2010, 05:31 PM
out of those Haas

kooties
06-01-2010, 05:42 PM
I say Berdych.

Nalbandian's serve is underwhelming IMO.

Bobby
06-01-2010, 05:44 PM
Haas.

kooties
06-01-2010, 05:44 PM
Stepanek as well IMO.

Sund7101
06-01-2010, 09:56 PM
I would say Hewitt. He just lacks the power to compete in today's game. When he was #1 he had all the tricks. Great volleys, lobs, drop shots, change of direction on his groundstrokes, and passing shots. He has improved his serve, but it is still too much of a vulnerability.

oranges
06-01-2010, 10:04 PM
Haasi, both in the sense of a true all court game and no real weakness. Out of the candidates, only Gasquet, Tsonga and Melzer can come on court and successfully play a basically S/V game as he did last Wimbledon (perhaps Murray, we'll never know since the only one against whom he even tries to use something remotely similar is Nadal), but they have their weak spots.

yuri27
06-01-2010, 10:34 PM
Gasquet(one of the few players to have won tournaments on every surface),Murray and Haas

Filo V.
06-01-2010, 11:56 PM
Nalbandian when healthy.

Roddickominator
06-02-2010, 12:16 AM
Haas would be my choice...but they all obviously have issues. Nalbandian, Djokovic(when he still had heart), Gasquet(when he didn't suck), and Murray are all good choices as well.

FormerRafaFan
06-02-2010, 01:06 AM
I'd still go with Verdasco, good on all surfaces.

Maybe Berdych and Nalbandian too.

leng jai
06-02-2010, 01:18 AM
Clearly Haas

enzogiovanni
06-02-2010, 06:13 AM
Nalbandian
Quote.
Along with Haas and Berdych.

Quakes
06-02-2010, 08:01 AM
Haas is the best among the poll choices.

Nalbandian's serve is quite decent given his height (same as Agassi's).

Technically Djokovic is the clear best all-rounder among the youngsters. His current issue is fitness/mentality.

I've always liked Berdych since way back in 2004. He, Soderling and Fernando Gonzalez are three big hitters that I felt could have achieved much better results. I'm quite surprised to see people suddenly calling Berdych an all-around player.

severus
06-02-2010, 09:23 AM
Toad ?

borracho
06-02-2010, 09:45 AM
Haas, and wanting to see Nadal in this list is truly pathetic.

leng jai
06-02-2010, 10:27 AM
Hewitt is getting underrated here. Besides Haas, Hewitt has one of the best all round games going around, especially in his prime.

Forehander
06-02-2010, 01:33 PM
Haas clearly the winner. Hewitt has an all round game but his tennis strokes severely lacks explosiveness and power.

tyruk14
06-02-2010, 01:51 PM
Got to go with the former world number one in this poll (the Australian). You don't get to that position without being at least partially competent in all areas, IMO.

paseo
06-02-2010, 02:25 PM
Roddick is underrated here. His net game is quite effective.

mcnasty
06-02-2010, 08:58 PM
by definition the better all around player has a one handed backhand. wish it was gasquet, but haas is the one in this list.

tennishero
06-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Roddick is underrated here. His net game is quite effective.

roddick is one of the worst top 10/20 players at the net.. he doesnt need to be good with his smash.

sennoc
06-03-2010, 08:48 AM
Nadal. He is the same in all rounds...

HKz
06-03-2010, 08:59 AM
If mental issues are not included in this debate, then by far hands down to Nalbandian/Haas when they are healthy.