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A question about the ranking rules for the top 30

andy neyer
05-21-2010, 11:21 PM
On the ATP site it says that for the top 30 players, only their two best ATP 250 tournaments will count for their rankings. But then again, I look at a player like Stan Wawrinka, who in this year won 150 points in Chennai, 250 in Casablanca and 90 in Belgrade. How can that be? Are his points in Belgrade supposed to be taken away at the end of the year?

delpiero7
05-21-2010, 11:35 PM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Stanislas-Wawrinka.aspx?t=rb

Belgrade is in his non-countables as it is only his 3rd best result in a 250

Abc Tennis
05-21-2010, 11:36 PM
He is not counting Belgrade among his ranking points at the moment, but only Chennai and Casablanca. If you look at his page, http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Stanislas-Wawrinka.aspx?t=rb , you see that Belgrade is among his "non countable tournaments".
If next year, when Chennai points will come off, Waw won't have a better 250/CH-results among his tournaments, Belgrade points will be added (*)


(*) that, of course, not considering the new rule about the possibility (under certain circumstances) to replace the worst 500-results with a non-countable tournament at the end of the year.

andy neyer
05-21-2010, 11:48 PM
Thanks, guys.

(*) that, of course, not considering the new rule about the possibility (under certain circumstances) to replace the worst 500-results with a non-countable tournament at the end of the year.

What are those circumstances? I presume it is not possible to replace an "extra" 250 ATP for a "missing" 500 ATP given that Wawrinka only has 3 countable 500 ATP at the moment (instead of 4, which is the number of ATP 500 that the ATP is willing to count, according to the rules), right?

Abc Tennis
05-21-2010, 11:56 PM
What are those circumstances? I presume it is not possible to replace an "extra" 250 ATP for a "missing" 500 ATP given that Wawrinka only has 3 countable 500 ATP at the moment (instead of 4, which is the number of ATP 500 that the ATP is willing to count, according to the rules), right?

Yep, you have to play 4 ATP 500 (or equivalent - Davis Cup/Montecarlo) tournaments and one of them has to be after the US Open. If you do that (and if you don't get a 0-pointer somewhere), you can replace the worst 500 with a better 250/CH. ;)

andy neyer
05-22-2010, 12:05 AM
Interesting. The ranking system doesn't seem that simple after all.

This also raises my attention because it has been said many times around here that if Federer makes the semis in RG while Nadal goes to win the tournament, then he would be 50 points ahead of Nadal an thus would equal Sampras' record of weeks at number 1 (which is correct) but then people say that he would need to do better in Halle than Nadal in Queen's to definitely break the record which is something that doesn't seem to be correct given that Federer has already played 2 ATP 250 this year making the SF in both (Doha and Estoril) so at best he could only gain 250-90=160 in Halle which means that, no matter what Federer does after RG, Nadal would become number 1 if he wins Queen's (having made the previous assumption that Federer would lose in the SF and Nadal would go on to win RG).