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Action Jackson
05-19-2010, 03:59 PM
As for the equal prize money debate, I do think that the Women deserve it. I mean they didn't get it when the tour was far superior to the ATP and there will probably come another time when it is the same. I mean sure, the tour isn't as popular as the ATP but the assertion that nobody cares about the WTA in mixed events is ridiculous. Part of what makes professional tennis so special is that on the biggest stage, both tours are recognised as equal and they play in front of the same crowd in the same venue. And rightly so. The big four of the WTA as well as some others are barely ever seen playing to a small crowd. I even heard that at Rome, after Nadals match everyone went over to watch Venus vs Schiavone play and a lot of people were saying stuff like "Now THAT'S real tennis". :lol:


Don't be naughty, they have never generated more money than men. bjurra has been to many combined events and I have been to Slams. He is a lot more reasonable when it comes to the WTA than most. The WTA have great negotiators when it came to this, as there is no way they have a leg to stand on economically, so lets use the old and tired sexist bullshit.

The women couldn't play a stand alone Slam, whereas the guys could and they wouldn't suffer as much financially.

That said, I would like to see best of 5 matches from the quarterfinals onwards, or something. The top WTA players have alway ssaid that they're open to it, so it's out of their hands.

Yes, punish the public by inflicting that nonsense on them and have Slams go for 3 weeks.

dave.
05-19-2010, 04:02 PM
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So much for this hatter to be bitter about. :sad:

Dmitry Verdasco
05-19-2010, 04:40 PM
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Yeah, you're bitterness is an overbear. :hysteric:

Tutu
05-19-2010, 06:09 PM
Don't be naughty, they have never generated more money than men. bjurra has been to many combined events and I have been to Slams. He is a lot more reasonable when it comes to the WTA than most. The WTA have great negotiators when it came to this, as there is no way they have a leg to stand on economically, so lets use the old and tired sexist bullshit.

The women couldn't play a stand alone Slam, whereas the guys could and they wouldn't suffer as much financially.



Yes, punish the public by inflicting that nonsense on them and have Slams go for 3 weeks.
Well firstly, you're not the only person in the world who has been to slams. :lol:

Secondly, I didn't call anybody sexist either. I do think some sexism does come into it with certain people but whatever, I don't care enough to discuss it. My the point is that there has been a time in recent years when the WTA was more popular than the ATP no matter how much you want to wish it never happened deny it. The WTA has it's own batch of world famous stars (e.g Venus, Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria, Ana) who are capable of playing incredible tennis and bringing in revenue and publicity to both the WTA and the sport of tennis as a whole. I'm not saying that the WTA generates more money than men because I don't know. But neither do you so I wish you would stop acting like you do.


Great to know that you have such an incredibly fair and extremely unbiased view on the WTA. It really does make me take your posts seriously. ;)

Tutu
05-19-2010, 06:12 PM
And will you children stop this bickering please? Unless you want me to start bringing in pictures of the Williams Sisters with all of their slams...

Dmitry Verdasco
05-19-2010, 06:20 PM
Karatantcheva, Rogowska, Tomjlanovic, Lapushchenkova, Cavaday and Dentoni all lost RG QR1 :hysteric:

But Pivovarova, Hlavackova, Halep, El Tabakh, Diyas, Domachowska and Bovina all won :cheer: :inlove:

Baghdatis#1
05-19-2010, 11:01 PM
1. i really couldn't give a shit
2. yes, its great
3. heck if rafa played doubles in a gs, you would have to get into mca,court 1,court 2 or grandstand an hour before play starts.
4.she is still one of the most well known players out there
5. maybe telling people to get a life, stating that they like the wta,sexism etc
6. read number 1
7.i was stating another poor wta match up that had been played an hour before, azarenka vs serena was torture, azarenkas choke was ridiculous. henin-kim have been chokefests, nothing like their matches from 6/7 years ago
8. big freaking deal, the fact that she was number 3 in the world is a disgrace to the sport. has she ever hit over 10 winners in a match?
4.

What are you talking about? :spit:
I'm wasting my time here :yawn:
Why should I bother arguing with you when you keep ignoring what I am saying :shrug:

Whatever :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 12:24 AM
Well firstly, you're not the only person in the world who has been to slams. :lol:

Secondly, I didn't call anybody sexist either. I do think some sexism does come into it with certain people but whatever, I don't care enough to discuss it. My the point is that there has been a time in recent years when the WTA was more popular than the ATP no matter how much you want to wish it never happened deny it. The WTA has it's own batch of world famous stars (e.g Venus, Serena, Kim, Justine, Maria, Ana) who are capable of playing incredible tennis and bringing in revenue and publicity to both the WTA and the sport of tennis as a whole. I'm not saying that the WTA generates more money than men because I don't know. But neither do you so I wish you would stop acting like you do.


It's not even about sexism in this case. Considering professional sport is driven by market forces and rightly or wrongly. Mens sport on a global scale generates more revenue, has larger sponsorships and the like, that is just obvious, this goes for all major global sports.

Does womens golf, basketball, football, volleyball, athletics generate more revenue globally than the men? We know the answer to this and it's not yes, so how are the WTA any different. They aren't. It's the overall package of the tours, why are the ATP events richer on the whole, how come there are more of these bigger events on their circuit. If they didn't generate more of the revenue.

Female and gay male porn actors get more than straight ones, in your world they should all be paid the same, when the conditions and the markets aren't of equal value.



Great to know that you have such an incredibly fair and extremely unbiased view on the WTA. It really does make me take your posts seriously

100 percent objectivity doesn't exist, therefore I don't take anything you say seriously.

rocketassist
05-20-2010, 12:27 AM
People talking about WTA players and results need to fuck off to WTAworld.

Dmitry Verdasco
05-20-2010, 12:29 AM
People talking about WTA players and results need to fuck off to WTAworld.

Gurl, I'm perma banned. :tears:

andylovesaustin
05-20-2010, 02:05 AM
I don't "hate" the WTA.

I just think...

I don't know. :confused:

I just think other sports are drawing the great women's athletes.
:shrug:

I just don't think the "top" women's athletes necessarily gravitate to tennis anymore...

ryan23
05-20-2010, 02:08 AM
Women playing profesional in any sport has never been popular, why does nobody watch netball,womens football etc etc- why watch women playing it when you can watch men!

out_here_grindin
05-20-2010, 02:09 AM
And will you children stop this bickering please? Unless you want me to start bringing in pictures of the Williams Sisters with all of their slams...

and that would help your case for the WTA?:unsure:

ryan23
05-20-2010, 02:10 AM
WTA should be for the unemployed only to be watched because you have nothing else to do

gulzhan
05-20-2010, 02:28 AM
I like WTA a lot. It's different sport for me. It's not about power and speed, it's about something else. When I get tired of men's predicted tennis, I switch to WTA. During the grass season I prefer WTA matches over most of ATP matches.

Same about volleyball actually. I always had an impression that women's volleyball is more popular than men's because it's better watchable.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-20-2010, 07:13 AM
whats the difference between the wta and a bag of shit?

the bag.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-20-2010, 07:14 AM
i only ever watch the wta live at the australian open. Only because i want good seats for the mens match after (there normally all empty when the women ae playing)

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-20-2010, 07:19 AM
Who ever said the last match was supposed to be the "main one". At Wimbledon, it's the mixed doubles final that gets played last. Women's singles is on Saturday, Men's on Sunday, it's nothing more than a bit of tradition. Nothing more to read into that.



All this stuff about crowds. That not only is unreliable, but simply impossible to use as an indicator of which one generates more money. Just because a seat is empty doesn't mean it has not been paid for. Then there's stuff like tv coverage, etc. And don't act as if men's matches always get the crowds. Munich a couple of weeks ago was no better than a WTA event.





I think it's already been established that Federer's-Mate is indeed a huge fan of the WTA. I mean, why on earth would he go out of his way to watch Strasbourg if he hated the WTA? Hell I haven't even seen a match from that tournament yet. :lol:

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1. of course the last match is the main one, what the hell are you on??, it closes the fecking tourney, its on a sunday so everyone watches it!!

2. i think action jackson isn't just talking about the main courts but the outside courts at gs. Seats are not paid for there.

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 08:44 AM
1. of course the last match is the main one, what the hell are you on??, it closes the fecking tourney, its on a sunday so everyone watches it!!

2. i think action jackson isn't just talking about the main courts but the outside courts at gs. Seats are not paid for there.

Yes

Koellerer and Veic this year at the AO, not a big name match at all yet that court was 5 deep and had the next court looking over to see the action. The mens matches on the outside courts are better attended at combined events Slams, ISG, IS level.

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 08:45 AM
Gurl, I'm perma banned. :tears:

What did you do to manage that?

acionescu
05-20-2010, 09:31 AM
Women playing profesional in any sport has never been popular, why does nobody watch netball,womens football etc etc- why watch women playing it when you can watch men!

There are sports were women are equally proeficient and enjoyable to watch as in handball, athletics, gymnastics, skating or even better as in volleyball. Dissmissing all female professional athletes is not the goal of this thread if there is one. tennis is a special case and I already said it it wasn't always the case to have the poor quality we have atm.

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 09:37 AM
Women playing profesional in any sport has never been popular, why does nobody watch netball,womens football etc etc- why watch women playing it when you can watch men!

Some womens sport is watchable and not just cause of their bodies, but some of it's dire. Though in the UK sports like volleyball and handball aren't popular at all, yet on mainland Europe they are and the level they play at is definitely watchable.

WTA should be for the unemployed only to be watched because you have nothing else to do

Harsh, but funny.

Tutu
05-20-2010, 09:52 AM
It's not even about sexism in this case. Considering professional sport is driven by market forces and rightly or wrongly. Mens sport on a global scale generates more revenue, has larger sponsorships and the like, that is just obvious, this goes for all major global sports.

Does womens golf, basketball, football, volleyball, athletics generate more revenue globally than the men? We know the answer to this and it's not yes, so how are the WTA any different. They aren't. It's the overall package of the tours, why are the ATP events richer on the whole, how come there are more of these bigger events on their circuit. If they didn't generate more of the revenue.

Female and gay male porn actors get more than straight ones, in your world they should all be paid the same, when the conditions and the markets aren't of equal value.




100 percent objectivity doesn't exist, therefore I don't take anything you say seriously.
No, they don't. But WTA tennis is the biggest and most popular female sport in the world by far, it can't even be compared with those other women's sports because it is just in a completely different league to them. It is the only sport that is recognised as an equal to the mens on its biggest stage for a reason. The ATP events are richer but even with the terrible economic conditions, the WTA continues to grow at alarming rate. There are now a slew of tournaments boasting purses of $4.5m, $2m+ and $1m+.

I know you think that the WTA is just scraping onto the mens popularity for their benefit but it's not true. At the slams there are indeed some people like you who would prefer watching the likes of Federer, Nadal, Novak & Murray et al. but there will always be people like me also who would prefer watching Venus, Serena, Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova and Ivanovic etc. as well as people (well I guess this one more describes me) who don't mind/care which gender they are watching. At the end of the day they are all stars and they all contribute to these events. How much? I don't know, but they all do their bit.

RE: Sexism, my views on the WTA tennis don't apply to other sports. Most of those other womens sports you mentioned are just slower and weaker versions of their male counterparts and they are just not very interesting to watch and their biggest events are played in parks and training centres as apposed to huge staduims.

I do think that back in 1997-2003 the Women's tour was indeed more popular than the ATP and the only reason for not granting equal prize money then had nothing to do with revenue, popularity or anything you mentioned... If that was true then fair enough, i'm sure they would let it go, but the only reason they could come up with for the disparity in purses was the tired old "Men play 5 sets and women play 3 sets!!11" argument. And it's stupid because firstly, as I said before, this isn't piece rate - it's prize money. The women are open to playing best of 5 so it's out of their hands. And there will most probably be a time when the WTA has some huge and young stars again and the ATP itself will be in a transitional period ruled by journeymen in the same vein as the 1997-2003 period, would you say that the men should be given less?

And you're right about the objectivity thing. But I just see no point in you insulting the WTA in the way you did before. Sure you dislike it, a lot of people here do and it's fine, but that's just childish.

and that would help your case for the WTA?:unsure:
I was talking to the people who were posting pictures of Hingis and Davenpork.
whats the difference between the wta and a bag of shit?

the bag.
You said in that other post that "the last match is the main one", well didn't you mention a few weeks ago that at the Australian Open the Women were put second match on in the night sessions because nobody wanted to see them? ;) Also, you're not funny, just stop embarassing yourself.

Tutu
05-20-2010, 09:53 AM
Damn, I didn't even realise I wrote that much. :lol: Won't be writing and essay like that ever again.


And I do think that crowds are misleading. Some WTA tournaments are empty and some ATP ones. It has a lot to do with geography, popularity and the amount of money people have to spare. Some people just can't afford to go to these tournaments.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-20-2010, 10:07 AM
No, they don't. But WTA tennis is the biggest and most popular female sport in the world by far, it can't even be compared with those other women's sports because it is just in a completely different league to them. It is the only sport that is recognised as an equal to the mens on its biggest stage for a reason. The ATP events are richer but even with the terrible economic conditions, the WTA continues to grow at alarming rate. There are now a slew of tournaments boasting purses of $4.5m, $2m+ and $1m+.

I know you think that the WTA is just scraping onto the mens popularity for their benefit but it's not true. At the slams there are indeed some people like you who would prefer watching the likes of Federer, Nadal, Novak & Murray et al. but there will always be people like me also who would prefer watching Venus, Serena, Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova and Ivanovic etc. as well as people (well I guess this one more describes me) who don't mind/care which gender they are watching. At the end of the day they are all stars and they all contribute to these events. How much? I don't know, but they all do their bit.

RE: Sexism, my views on the WTA tennis don't apply to other sports. Most of those other womens sports you mentioned are just slower and weaker versions of their male counterparts and they are just not very interesting to watch and their biggest events are played in parks and training centres as apposed to huge staduims.

I do think that back in 1997-2003 the Women's tour was indeed more popular than the ATP and the only reason for not granting equal prize money then had nothing to do with revenue, popularity or anything you mentioned... If that was true then fair enough, i'm sure they would let it go, but the only reason they could come up with for the disparity in purses was the tired old "Men play 5 sets and women play 3 sets!!11" argument. And it's stupid because firstly, as I said before, this isn't piece rate - it's prize money. The women are open to playing best of 5 so it's out of their hands. And there will most probably be a time when the WTA has some huge and young stars again and the ATP itself will be in a transitional period ruled by journeymen in the same vein as the 1997-2003 period, would you say that the men should be given less?

And you're right about the objectivity thing. But I just see no point in you insulting the WTA in the way you did before. Sure you dislike it, a lot of people here do and it's fine, but that's just childish.


I was talking to the people who were posting pictures of Hingis and Davenpork.

You said in that other post that "the last match is the main one", well didn't you mention a few weeks ago that at the Australian Open the Women were put second match on in the night sessions because nobody wanted to see them? ;) Also, you're not funny, just stop embarassing yourself.


i was obviously talking about about the last match of the tourney (read my post properly ffs)

the one i was referring to earlier in the thread was the middle friday.

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 10:25 AM
No, they don't. But WTA tennis is the biggest and most popular female sport in the world by far, it can't even be compared with those other women's sports because it is just in a completely different league to them. It is the only sport that is recognised as an equal to the mens on its biggest stage for a reason. The ATP events are richer but even with the terrible economic conditions, the WTA continues to grow at alarming rate. There are now a slew of tournaments boasting purses of $4.5m, $2m+ and $1m+.

I know you think that the WTA is just scraping onto the mens popularity for their benefit but it's not true. At the slams there are indeed some people like you who would prefer watching the likes of Federer, Nadal, Novak & Murray et al. but there will always be people like me also who would prefer watching Venus, Serena, Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova and Ivanovic etc. as well as people (well I guess this one more describes me) who don't mind/care which gender they are watching. At the end of the day they are all stars and they all contribute to these events. How much? I don't know, but they all do their bit.



It's not equal, there is never going to be equality in the sporting field because of the physiological differences that alone is obvious. Hence one very simple reason as to why then mens sport gets more corporate dollars, higher ticketing sales, more money through TV rights.

You admit the ATP have bigger tournaments, why should they be subsidising the WTA at Slams. When it's obvious the WTA couldn't have a Slam without the men being there. The RG example when they only had quarter final singles for the women, why was it scrapped. If it was so strong and financially successful then it would still be continuing to this day.


RE: Sexism, my views on the WTA tennis don't apply to other sports. Most of those other womens sports you mentioned are just slower and weaker versions of their male counterparts and they are just not very interesting to watch and their biggest events are played in parks and training centres as apposed to huge staduims.

I do think that back in 1997-2003 the Women's tour was indeed more popular than the ATP and the only reason for not granting equal prize money then had nothing to do with revenue, popularity or anything you mentioned... If that was true then fair enough, i'm sure they would let it go, but the only reason they could come up with for the disparity in purses was the tired old "Men play 5 sets and women play 3 sets!!11" argument. And it's stupid because firstly, as I said before, this isn't piece rate - it's prize money. The women are open to playing best of 5 so it's out of their hands. And there will most probably be a time when the WTA has some huge and young stars again and the ATP itself will be in a transitional period ruled by journeymen in the same vein as the 1997-2003 period, would you say that the men should be given less?

And you're right about the objectivity thing. But I just see no point in you insulting the WTA in the way you did before. Sure you dislike it, a lot of people here do and it's fine, but that's just childish.

No, the WTA had great negotiators and used the emotional bullshit when they don't have a financial case to stand on that they deserve equal pay.

You mean the WTA was more popular in the USA, that is not the tennis world and that RG thing, which they used to do at the Aus Open with quarter finals separated for the sexes. This was in your so-called golden age, but they got rid of it there as well, this does not indicate a massive booming product that they are confident in.

It was not more popular globally, apart from gymnastics possibly, which is far from the most global of sports there aren't womens sports that are greater revenue generators.

Women playing 5 setters fuck that it would get in the way and be an organisational cluster fuck.

Aaric
05-20-2010, 11:20 AM
whats the difference between the wta and a bag of shit?

the bag.

I hope you are under thirteen :tears:
If not :help:

Tutu
05-20-2010, 11:38 AM
It's not equal, there is never going to be equality in the sporting field because of the physiological differences that alone is obvious. Hence one very simple reason as to why then mens sport gets more corporate dollars, higher ticketing sales, more money through TV rights.
But just because the men are more physiologically more developed it doesn't mean they are more entertaining.

You admit the ATP have bigger tournaments, why should they be subsidising the WTA at Slams. When it's obvious the WTA couldn't have a Slam without the men being there. The RG example when they only had quarter final singles for the women, why was it scrapped. If it was so strong and financially successful then it would still be continuing to this day.

But the WTA is fine on its own. Its tournaments are doing fine and will continue to do so, it isn't as popular as the ATP right now, but as I said before I believe it goes round in cycles and it still does contribute greatly at slams.

No, the WTA had great negotiators and used the emotional bullshit when they don't have a financial case to stand on that they deserve equal pay.

Well that can't be argued because we have no figures. The TV Ratings in all slams said differently though.

You mean the WTA was more popular in the USA, that is not the tennis world and that RG thing, which they used to do at the Aus Open with quarter finals separated for the sexes. This was in your so-called golden age, but they got rid of it there as well, this does not indicate a massive booming product that they are confident in.

Hm. Well i'm not sure about the other countries, no, but it was definitely more popular in both the US and UK. So would you say that the WTA should have quit subsidising the ATP and break away from them at those two slams then?

Anyway, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-20-2010, 11:58 AM
I hope you are under thirteen :tears:
If not :help:

what kind of comment is that?, i'm probably older than you mate ;)

at the aus open this year..the main practice court was empty (court 16) i was waiting for a atp player to come out ( wta was ony on) the place was packed waiting for federer to come out. Suddenly you could hear footsteps and see a group of people. The gate opened and out came...Kutznetsova!!. Every left including myself bitterly dissapointed. I heard a few peole groan ''its only kutznetsova'' and ''who is she'' :D

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 12:03 PM
But just because the men are more physiologically more developed it doesn't mean they are more entertaining.

The commercial world dictates that in the sporting fields men get more of the pie, as they should and that leads into why equal prizemoney is a total joke based on emotion.

But the WTA is fine on its own. Its tournaments are doing fine and will continue to do so, it isn't as popular as the ATP right now, but as I said before I believe it goes round in cycles and it still does contribute greatly at slams.

But what. The fact they aren't as popular as the men and haven't been doesn't mean they deserve the same money. They contribute but it's less, as I said if they were so good, then those all women QF days onwards would not have been scrapped.


Well that can't be argued because we have no figures. The TV Ratings in all slams said differently though.

Hm. Well i'm not sure about the other countries, no, but it was definitely more popular in both the US and UK. So would you say that the WTA should have quit subsidising the ATP and break away from them at those two slams then?


The music festival analogy answers this clearly and yes the WTA are the support act. If they weren't, then why doesn't the womens final close out the Slams.

They are better together, but the women are clearly weaker financially, it's simple commonsense. Womens tennis more popular in the UK, yeah that's a good joke.

The WTA as a whole has never been good enough to generate more cash than the men. You simply focus on the top few as if that means the whole tour, when it's not the case. In other words you are saying that there is a mythical world that the WTA was globally stronger. Yes in the 90s the ATP tournaments were still in the dominant financial position, probably even more so.

No, there is no point because you are trying to defend a position that is untenable, when it comes to basic economics and expect the WTA bucks global trends where they outdraw the men and it's not the case.

Tutu
05-20-2010, 02:20 PM
The music festival analogy answers this clearly and yes the WTA are the support act. If they weren't, then why doesn't the womens final close out the Slams.
Tradition?... When the slams were founded Women were seen as the inferior gender in every single way and it was undoubtebly due to sexism. I thought that was quite obvious.

No, there is no point because you are trying to defend a position that is untenable, when it comes to basic economics and expect the WTA bucks global trends where they outdraw the men and it's not the case.
No they don't outdraw the men, but they contrubute just as much to slam events. Through bums on seats, publicity, drama and indeed some great matchups. And therefore they do deserve equal prize money.

Also, I found this and thought it was interesting (though it is from a few years ago):
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5373261&postcount=44

rocketassist
05-20-2010, 02:53 PM
Tradition?... When the slams were founded Women were seen as the inferior gender in every single way and it was undoubtebly due to sexism. I thought that was quite obvious.


No they don't outdraw the men, but they contrubute just as much to slam events. Through bums on seats, publicity, drama and indeed some great matchups. And therefore they do deserve equal prize money.

Also, I found this and thought it was interesting (though it is from a few years ago):
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5373261&postcount=44

Maybe in the days of Navratilova-Graf, Hingis, Seles, when they had proper 'stars' then maybe they ran the ATP a bit closer, but now? Do you think most people who attend combined events care about Jankovic, Ivanovic, Safina, and the rest of Team Ballbash? The gap is wider than it's ever been.

If it was originally down to sexism, why haven't they rotated it around and made the women's final last in this 'modern' society?

rocketassist
05-20-2010, 02:56 PM
WTA has never EVER EVER been more popular in the UK. Never.

If GB had some top female players maybe there might have been a chance of this, but we've had Henman, Captain Happy and the Muzz, and these alongside Agassi, Sampras, Fed, Nadal etc have kept the ATP streets ahead.

Wimbledon still keeps the tradition of women's QFs but that's mainly down to tradition.

Dmitry Verdasco
05-20-2010, 03:41 PM
What did you do to manage that?

Drunk posting.

But it was a cumulative effort. Many infractions and warnings (baiting Williams fans, duplicate accounts, telling Serena to 'choke on a brocolli and die') and they finally had enough of me.


I was quite the class clown. http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/kink.gifhttp://www.buzzjack.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/kink.gifhttp://www.buzzjack.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/kink.gif

Action Jackson
05-20-2010, 03:51 PM
Tradition?... When the slams were founded Women were seen as the inferior gender in every single way and it was undoubtebly due to sexism. I thought that was quite obvious.

If they were so good and confident, then why don't they demand the final spot. They had the cheek to demand equal prizemoney when they had nothing to stand on except sexism.

No they don't outdraw the men, but they contrubute just as much to slam events. Through bums on seats, publicity, drama and indeed some great matchups. And therefore they do deserve equal prize money.

Also, I found this and thought it was interesting (though it is from a few years ago):
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5373261&postcount=44

It's insinuating that American tennis watching trends are the same as the rest of the world, when that's not the case.

Far from reliable data and why are there are so many empty stadia at WTA stand alone events, that they are begging to have combined events, it's not the male players that want it.

How can they contribute the same, when they don't draw or bring in the same or close to the same revenue? They don't.

Ivanatis
05-20-2010, 04:01 PM
Other reason: the permanent injury timeouts wta-players take, more comparable to NBA than to atp-tennis, only purpose is breaking the opponent's rhythm.

Smoke944
05-20-2010, 08:24 PM
1. The ATP and WTA are separate organisations. If the WTA can afford to pay their Madrid winner more than the ATP can pay their Madrid winner then maybe women's tennis / WTA must have some qualities, too, no? :angel:

2. Re: Non-existing crowds at WTA matches:
You have to keep in the mind the unfair scheduling here. Most big men's matches were schedules on the big courts at acceptable times while the women often had to play early.

And I agree that Federer's Mate needs to get a life and a clue. :wavey:

For the women Madrid is a bigger event. Madrid, Miami, IW, and Beijing are the biggest outside of the slams ;)



I understand all this, but in the end it is a combined event and the WTA greatly benefits from this.

But seriously, I am watching Sara Errani right now and she is 35 in the world. No offense to her, but what more needs to be said.......

Baghdatis#1
05-21-2010, 01:18 AM
8. big freaking deal, the fact that she was number 3 in the world is a disgrace to the sport. has she ever hit over 10 winners in a match?


She had 13 winners today, but retired after losing the first set 6-3 ;)

Baghdatis#1
05-21-2010, 01:20 AM
what kind of comment is that?, i'm probably older than you mate ;)

at the aus open this year..the main practice court was empty (court 16) i was waiting for a atp player to come out ( wta was ony on) the place was packed waiting for federer to come out. Suddenly you could hear footsteps and see a group of people. The gate opened and out came...Kutznetsova!!. Every left including myself bitterly dissapointed. I heard a few peole groan ''its only kutznetsova'' and ''who is she'' :D

Her name is Kuznetsova ;)
And how can you compare Kuznetsova with Federer? :spit:
It's like comparing Davydenko with Federer :shrug:

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
05-21-2010, 05:28 AM
I am glad that FlameOff fucked off to MTF. He is not missed on TF that sexist spammer.

SEWTA.

FlameOn
05-21-2010, 06:19 AM
I am glad that FlameOff fucked off to MTF. He is not missed on TF that sexist spammer.

SEWTA.
I haven't 'fucked off' anywhere. :kiss:

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
05-21-2010, 07:04 AM
I haven't 'fucked off' anywhere. :kiss:

Well can you please fuck off :confused::confused::confused:

FlameOn
05-21-2010, 07:07 AM
Well can you please fuck off :confused::confused::confused:
:spit:

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
05-21-2010, 08:20 AM
:spit:

Well nobody want you there gurl.

Sillyrabbit
05-21-2010, 02:13 PM
Q : Well, that was a well deserved win today over one of the favorites for the French Open, Jelena Jankovic. Tell us more about it.

A.R. : Yeah, she is a great player, she has a cool game. But today, I was obivousely too good for her and she disliked that, and I hated her attitude at the net, she barely touched my hand during the handshake and I did not like what she said during the postmatch interviews.

Q : What was the difference between you and her today ?

A.R. : Well, I played like a top 5, just like I do since the beginning of the tournament. There is no other explanation as far as I'm concerned.

Q : You look upset by what happened with Jelena during the handshake as you've just said. Is it cold between you two ? Do you know each other well ?

A.R. : No, as a person she's horrible, I mean her attitude, but as a player, she's okay. She has great shots, but I think she should not behave like a diva on the court.


Snide cattiness should have been an option in the poll

Roamed
05-21-2010, 02:43 PM
Serena today:

@TennisReporters When asked whether she told Jankovic "I'm not Justine" in Rome, Serena Williams said she didn't remember.

:rolleyes: See some people may find that fun and ~dramatic~ and a reason to like the WTA, I personally think it's childish. What she said originally was even worse. That sort of stuff is one of the reasons I don't like it. Also fits in with the comments above ^

FlameOn
05-21-2010, 02:52 PM
Serena today:

@TennisReporters When asked whether she told Jankovic "I'm not Justine" in Rome, Serena Williams said she didn't remember.

:rolleyes: See some people may find that fun and ~dramatic~ and a reason to like the WTA, I personally think it's childish. What she said originally was even worse. That sort of stuff is one of the reasons I don't like it. Also fits in with the comments above ^
Well do you realize why Serena has a beef with Justine?

recessional
05-21-2010, 03:02 PM
what kind of comment is that?, i'm probably older than you mate ;)

at the aus open this year..the main practice court was empty (court 16) i was waiting for a atp player to come out ( wta was ony on) the place was packed waiting for federer to come out. Suddenly you could hear footsteps and see a group of people. The gate opened and out came...Kutznetsova!!. Every left including myself bitterly dissapointed. I heard a few peole groan ''its only kutznetsova'' and ''who is she'' :D

unnecessary sveta bashing. :tears:

nastoff
05-21-2010, 03:07 PM
I like the drama sometimes but It's all too unpredictable and chaotic for my liking - from one part of the match to the next you have no idea what's going on, with all those chokes, erratic behaviour etc. It makes a mockery out of the sport of tennis as if it was a totally fortuitous sport while in fact it isn't.
The rankings are also a bit strange, it seems that if you go to every single tournament on the calendar you're destined to end up high in the rankings even if you don't win enough matches. There are numerous examples of this. Kournikova went to the top 10 playing every tournament and without a singles title while Wozniacki to no 2 without having made it to the final of a grand slam. It's because there's no consistency between the performances, you could be a world beater in one game and worse than no 500 in the next.

Roamed
05-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Well do you realize why Serena has a beef with Justine?

Of course. But holding on to it for this long is going too far in my opinion. Also denying it herself doesn't make the denying any better just because Justine did it first.

Judio
05-21-2010, 07:07 PM
We are waiting for the Qualifiers to be placed

It is 2100 in Paris

and a womans match is STILL going on after over 4 Hours !!!!

B.z.A.
05-21-2010, 07:09 PM
We are waiting for the Qualifiers to be placed

It is 2100 in Paris

and a womans match is STILL going on after over 4 Hours !!!!

catastrophee.
will OOP for Sunday be out today ?

Judio
05-21-2010, 07:50 PM
No it was released on Saturday at 1300 CET last year

Angle Queen
05-22-2010, 12:16 AM
Gender traitor.No, a gender critic. Just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I automatically give other women a pass. If the product is junk, I'll say so. ;)

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
05-22-2010, 12:48 AM
TVTennis makes the most useless polls.

Dmitry Verdasco
05-22-2010, 01:04 AM
Who has the most amaze nails? Prettiest ears? WWW? :bowdown:

Baghdatis#1
05-22-2010, 01:34 AM
For those of you who think that the WTA is boring and that no one cares should watch this, because Chatrier is packed for this and neither Razzano nor Garbin have ever cracked the top 15 :shrug:

5ci_qbWpNmQ

FlameOn
05-22-2010, 03:09 AM
TVTennis makes the most useless polls.
307 replies says you're wrong. :shrug:

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
05-22-2010, 03:48 AM
307 replies says you're wrong. :shrug:

308 replies say you're a thread whore that needs to get off the internet and find a life :wavey:

-Valhalla-
05-22-2010, 06:17 AM
Gender traitor.

:haha:

Tutu
05-22-2010, 07:01 AM
Q : Well, that was a well deserved win today over one of the favorites for the French Open, Jelena Jankovic. Tell us more about it.

A.R. : Yeah, she is a great player, she has a cool game. But today, I was obivousely too good for her and she disliked that, and I hated her attitude at the net, she barely touched my hand during the handshake and I did not like what she said during the postmatch interviews.

Q : What was the difference between you and her today ?

A.R. : Well, I played like a top 5, just like I do since the beginning of the tournament. There is no other explanation as far as I'm concerned.

Q : You look upset by what happened with Jelena during the handshake as you've just said. Is it cold between you two ? Do you know each other well ?

A.R. : No, as a person she's horrible, I mean her attitude, but as a player, she's okay. She has great shots, but I think she should not behave like a diva on the court.


Snide cattiness should have been an option in the poll
Serena today:

@TennisReporters When asked whether she told Jankovic "I'm not Justine" in Rome, Serena Williams said she didn't remember.

:rolleyes: See some people may find that fun and ~dramatic~ and a reason to like the WTA, I personally think it's childish. What she said originally was even worse. That sort of stuff is one of the reasons I don't like it. Also fits in with the comments above ^
The drama is a good thing. :shrug: Some of it is childish but its fun and it gives the players extra incentive to go out there and try to play their best tennis when they hate the woman on the other side. :lol:
unnecessary sveta bashing. :tears:
:lol: I love Sveta. Her tweets are one of the most hilarious things ever.

"Only god is the Jurge!))))))"
I like the drama sometimes but It's all too unpredictable and chaotic for my liking - from one part of the match to the next you have no idea what's going on, with all those chokes, erratic behaviour etc. It makes a mockery out of the sport of tennis as if it was a totally fortuitous sport while in fact it isn't.
The rankings are also a bit strange, it seems that if you go to every single tournament on the calendar you're destined to end up high in the rankings even if you don't win enough matches. There are numerous examples of this. Kournikova went to the top 10 playing every tournament and without a singles title while Wozniacki to no 2 without having made it to the final of a grand slam. It's because there's no consistency between the performances, you could be a world beater in one game and worse than no 500 in the next.
Well Kournikova was a great player, even if she didn't win a title/get anywhere close to her potential. I agree with Wozniacki though, she is an embarassment. I think it's because the WTA points system is more evenly spread out (at slams it goes 100-160-280-500-900-1400-2000) whereas the ATP also has 2000 points for the winners but players get almost half the amount of points from 2R-SF. Anyway, it seems like Wozniacki is coming back down to earth now. The Williams sisters are back playing well and so are the Belgians so even if this is only a temporary thing as they are all getting old, these next few seasons may be good.
Of course. But holding on to it for this long is going too far in my opinion. Also denying it herself doesn't make the denying any better just because Justine did it first.
She didn't do anything like what Justine did. She was put in the same situation as Justine and it probably reminded her of that event and so she wanted to clarify with Jelena. I don't see why she would mention it to Jelena unless they have spoken about Justine and her cheating ways in the past, and Jelena was smiling when she said it. I doubt she holds a grudge, but these things do stay with you especially if what Justine did let to thousands and thousands of people booing and heckling Serena for no reason.

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
05-22-2010, 12:26 PM
OMG IS THAT YOU TUTI? :eek:

The Magician
05-26-2010, 05:16 PM
Anybody who still defends the WTA I hope you're being forced to watch Kuznetsova on ESPN like I am. Unbelievable choking by both "players" and an all around awful match. 4 match points down the drain and it's never in doubt for a second.

green25814
05-26-2010, 05:36 PM
Anybody who still defends the WTA I hope you're being forced to watch Kuznetsova on ESPN like I am. Unbelievable choking by both "players" and an all around awful match. 4 match points down the drain and it's never in doubt for a second.

FUCKING this.

Unreal stuff.

recessional
05-26-2010, 05:45 PM
:lol: I love Sveta. Her tweets are one of the most hilarious things ever.

"Only god is the Jurge!))))))"


:spit: is that an actual tweets of hers? if it is, what is she talking about?

i love how she spammed my twitterfeed during the murray-gasquet match. :D and i love her roger fangirling.

Anybody who still defends the WTA I hope you're being forced to watch Kuznetsova on ESPN like I am. Unbelievable choking by both "players" and an all around awful match. 4 match points down the drain and it's never in doubt for a second.

:secret: you're not really forced to watch it, you know.

out_here_grindin
05-26-2010, 05:48 PM
Brad Gilbert is silently crying in his seat. He made the fatal mistake of thinking the women's match was almost early and wanted to get there early to watch Murray. Now he is subject to this

green25814
05-26-2010, 05:50 PM
:lol:

green25814
05-26-2010, 05:51 PM
No. Fucking. Way.

Johnny Groove
05-26-2010, 05:52 PM
Look no further than the Kuznetsova-Petkovic FARCE.

The Magician
05-26-2010, 05:53 PM
This is the defending champ :haha:

green25814
05-26-2010, 05:54 PM
Sorry, but women are too emotionally bizzare to play pro sport.

The Magician
05-26-2010, 06:02 PM
It wouldn't even be worth it if the women were naked. You get this:

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/mehr-sport/tennis/2010/05/24/venus-williams/fg/venus-popoblitzer-16263469-qf,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,height=34 9.jpg

:speakles::bolt:

recessional
05-26-2010, 06:21 PM
It wouldn't even be worth it if the women were naked.

like you wouldn't fap to watch a naked kirilenko - ivanovic match.

The Magician
05-26-2010, 06:36 PM
like you wouldn't fap to watch a naked kirilenko - ivanovic match.

OK maybe I would but the tennis would still be awful :devil:

recessional
05-26-2010, 06:43 PM
OK maybe I would but the tennis would still be awful :devil:

you can't have it all. :hug:

Aaric
05-26-2010, 06:49 PM
:yawn:

Matt01
05-26-2010, 07:32 PM
This is the defending champ :haha:


With a clown in your avatar I can see why you are trying to sidetrack and talk badly about the WTA and its players :p

Dmitry Verdasco
05-26-2010, 07:59 PM
Dementieva plz make QF :hysteric:

BigJohn
05-26-2010, 09:45 PM
Others:

Too many fat girls who can't move winning matches.


(... and Hingis is gone. Henin is great, but Hingis was special)

VolandriFan
05-27-2010, 07:16 AM
apart from kirilenko,sharapova,hantouchova,golovin,ivanovic,w ozniacki(not even on show courts, apart from wozniaki and her matches are shite) the chicks are ugly e.g stosur,williams sisters, henin, kutznetsova etc

So that's why you watch men's tennis?

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-27-2010, 09:50 AM
So that's why you watch men's tennis?

what the heck are you on about, fucking wtaers taking cheap shots

READ MY POST!!!!, the only reason i ever watch wta is too see kiri,ivanovic and co for a bit, but now with players like stosur at thier peak their is ablsolutely NO reason to watch that shit :retard:

the reason i watch mens tennis is because their is skill, rallies,competiveness,great serving,drama,atmosphere etc etc

Action Jackson
05-27-2010, 09:52 AM
It's not like Venus is the only female to play in a g-banger.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-27-2010, 09:56 AM
:yawn:

oyea keep yawning, :rolleyes:, becuase you cant say SHIT

guess what the former number 1 from last year just lost to a retired 40 year old women, being two games away from winning, thats not drama thats an insult to tennis.

you dont see murray and co losing to players like tarango or maybe rios coming out of retirement in gs do you.

The future of womens tennis got smashed in rd1, without so much as a wimper 6-1 6-2 :o.

seriously there is a wta forum full of trash, wta lovers feck off back to there. You can talk about serena and her choking mates there.

mods end this thread now, becuase the wta fans are becoming cringeworthy

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-27-2010, 09:57 AM
ffs tennis aint about nudity

you got real life girls or porn for that

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-27-2010, 09:59 AM
dont even get me started on another kuzzie special

Tutu
05-27-2010, 12:00 PM
If you think the WTA is so bad, why the hell are you fucking obsessing over it? You're an immature little boy and you need to stop posting shit on this forum and come back when you're actually old enough to string a coherent sentence together.

Tutu
05-27-2010, 12:08 PM
Anybody who still defends the WTA I hope you're being forced to watch Kuznetsova on ESPN like I am. Unbelievable choking by both "players" and an all around awful match. 4 match points down the drain and it's never in doubt for a second.
Look no further than the Kuznetsova-Petkovic FARCE.
This is the defending champ :haha:
She's a defending champion who has been in dire form all year. :shrug: She had a great Roland Garros last year but she's inconsistent as fuck and has always been. But she dug deep and managed to win a match from triple match point down. Sure she was helped by her opponent but the main reason there are more chokes in the WTA is because the serve isn't as important and a player is less likely to slam down a service winner/set up and easy putaway from the serve on match point.

Even so, you only had to fastforward a couple of hours to see one of the great French hopes, Monfils, choke from a break up in set 3, double break up in set two and then Fogini choke from double match point at the very end. So :lol: at the ATP then too. :shrug: Yet when I look in the Monfils and Fogini thread I see people proclaiming it one of the most dramatic and surreal matches they have ever seen. These are the same people who will be quick to dismiss any WTA match that went like this as a disgusting chokefest, or to quote you; a "FARCE". It's hypocritical.
:spit: is that an actual tweets of hers? if it is, what is she talking about?
Yes. She lost a match a month or two ago and she said that the Russian press were reporting bad stuff about her so she went on another rant, posted "Only god is the jurge!" and then even quoted a tupad song. :sobbing: I'm not even a fan but she is just hilarious.

.-Federers_Mate-.
05-27-2010, 12:11 PM
If you think the WTA is so bad, why the hell are you fucking obsessing over it? You're an immature little boy and you need to stop posting shit on this forum and come back when you're actually old enough to string a coherent sentence together.

for cying out loud, you know why i post here?, because it pisses me off that a couple of deluded teenage girls think the wta has more drama than the atp.

why the heck do you continue to praise the wta anyway?, you have your own forum for that.

and at your petty insults, who the hell do you think you are calling me ''an immature little boy''. Just becuase i dont mule over my typos. Go back to playing video games in your parents basement whilst having a M**** over a picture of serena williams or behind your desk at the librabry.

i sick of responding to your childish jibes, might aswel put you on ignore. Im getting dumber reading your crap.


have a good day :wavey:

Tutu
05-27-2010, 12:14 PM
And as for Safina, the girl has been injured for about 8 months, she has a premanent fracture in her back and mentally she just has been under so much strain in the last year (in addition to the whole number 1 debacle) that it seems her body and mind have just seemingly reached breaking point. :shrug:

Tutu
05-27-2010, 12:15 PM
for cying out loud, you know why i post here?, because it pisses me off that a couple of deluded teenage girls think the wta has more drama than the atp.

why the heck do you continue to praise the wta anyway?, you have your own forum for that.

and at your petty insults, who the hell do you think you are calling me ''an immature little boy''. Just becuase i dont mule over my typos. Go back to playing video games in your parents basement whilst having a M**** over a picture of serena williams or behind your desk at the librabry.

i sick of responding to your childish jibes, might aswel put you on ignore. Im getting dumber reading your crap.


have a good day :wavey:
Well thanks for confirming the fact that you're an immature little boy. Good day to you! :wavey:

Topspin Forehand
05-27-2010, 01:11 PM
WTA is boring as hell. So little variety in the matches. Basically it is all about who bashes the ball the hardest or takes the ball early the best. The ones that actually use a lot of spin do not hit hard at all and usually are forced to hit flat a lot.

Chiakifug
05-27-2010, 07:50 PM
I think Federers Mate accounted for half the posts on this thread. I love when went into random little postng spurts of posting like 5 messages in a row.

safin-rules-no.1
05-27-2010, 08:28 PM
poor quality and a lack of cock

Baghdatis#1
05-28-2010, 01:20 AM
oyea keep yawning, :rolleyes:, becuase you cant say SHIT

guess what the former number 1 from last year just lost to a retired 40 year old women, being two games away from winning, thats not drama thats an insult to tennis.

you dont see murray and co losing to players like tarango or maybe rios coming out of retirement in gs do you.

The future of womens tennis got smashed in rd1, without so much as a wimper 6-1 6-2 :o.

seriously there is a wta forum full of trash, wta lovers feck off back to there. You can talk about serena and her choking mates there.

mods end this thread now, becuase the wta fans are becoming cringeworthy


1. How can you say that WTA fans can't say shit when you can't say shit? :spit:
2. Safina is just coming back from an injury and she's a headcase. Her brother was too but he still won slams and got to #1 :shrug:
3. Azarenka was injured. She's retired in 4 of her last 5 tournaments :shrug:

Tutu
05-28-2010, 07:29 AM
I think Federers Mate accounted for half the posts on this thread. I love when went into random little postng spurts of posting like 5 messages in a row.

.-Federers_Mate-. 53
Action Jackson 19
TVTennis 18
Dmitry Verdasco 15
Tutu 15
dave. 14

:lol: For somebody who repeatedly claims that the WTA is terrible and not worth his time, he sure does post about it a lot.

Dmitry Verdasco
05-28-2010, 03:53 PM
Oh gurl. 53 posts? Why you cry? :tears:

Smoke944
05-28-2010, 07:43 PM
Because of matches like Rezai-Petrova.

BK123
05-28-2010, 07:52 PM
The WTA just needs some of their upcoming stars to be more consistent than they are.

Unfortunately, they haven't been able to sustain their level for whatever reason.

Still, that doesn't mean there isn't any of the same emotions that reside in men's tennis.

Sure, there are a lot of chokers, but they are not all chokers.

The need to bash something that has no relation to you at all is quite pathetic.

They don't give a crap what you think, either tour, you're just on a forum shitting all over them, but, what have you achieved?

That's right, nothing, so take your chauvinistic comments elsewhere or better yet, keep them to yourselves.

Helevorn
05-28-2010, 09:33 PM
Because of matches like Rezai-Petrova.

DEFINITELY.

straitup
06-02-2010, 03:17 AM
I do have to admit, the bitchiness, drama, and quotes that have come out of this RG from the women has been...interesting to follow :lol: :spit: Rezai thinks she's on top of the world after winning Madrid, Wozniacki believes that she hits powerful shots, Serena goes from calling Stosur a framer to being in love with her, etc...it's epic :lol:

FlameOn
06-02-2010, 03:54 AM
I do have to admit, the bitchiness, drama, and quotes that have come out of this RG from the women has been...interesting to follow :lol: :spit: Rezai thinks she's on top of the world after winning Madrid, Wozniacki believes that she hits powerful shots, Serena goes from calling Stosur a framer to being in love with her, etc...it's epic :lol:
Ivanovic calls Jankovic a bitch ("sport doesn't build character, it reveals it"), Laura Robson said "some of the girls are sluts". Man oh man. :worship: :lol:

Must say I'm happy Dementieva's in the semis. Cakewalk though it has been, it would be great it she could finally win a slam. :p

Johnny Groove
06-02-2010, 03:56 AM
I like to compare both the ATP and the WTA to TV sitcoms.

The ATP is a show about tennis foremost, with subplots beneath it.

The WTA is a show about bitchiness, fashion, and all kinds of other bullshit with tennis as a mere subplot.

FlameOn
06-02-2010, 04:13 AM
I like to compare both the ATP and the WTA to TV sitcoms.

The ATP is a show about tennis foremost, with subplots beneath it.

The WTA is a show about bitchiness, fashion, and all kinds of other bullshit with tennis as a mere subplot.
That's exactly what I thought. This tournament on WTA tour for example has been more of a soap opera set around a French Open than an actual French Open. :lol:

straitup
06-02-2010, 05:23 AM
Ivanovic calls Jankovic a bitch ("sport doesn't build character, it reveals it"), Laura Robson said "some of the girls are sluts". Man oh man. :worship: :lol:

Must say I'm happy Dementieva's in the semis. Cakewalk though it has been, it would be great it she could finally win a slam. :p

:lol: I forgot about Robson's gem...maybe they should make a WTA Tour commercial next year like a soap opera commercial

And I really want Dementieva to win too!

Dmitry Verdasco
06-02-2010, 10:04 AM
And I really want Dementieva to win too!

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

Priam
06-02-2010, 01:43 PM
Stosur vs. Williams...

Dmitry Verdasco
06-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Clay GOAT :hearts:


Stosur - Dementieva final, plz.

Sapeod
06-03-2010, 05:40 PM
Well, where to begin?

1. The quality sucks, the amount of double faults, UEs and general crappy shots is unbelievable.
2. The William's siters are no.1 and no.2 :tape:
3. The grunting is terrible too, it's not a if their giving birth. They're just hitting a ball with a racquet, ffs.
4. It takes so long for matches to end. Even ATP 5 setters are somtimes shorter than WTA 3 setters.
5. It seems the only type of player there is on the WTA tour is the ballbasher.

So overall, that's why the WTA sucks. There are some enjoyable players to watch, but not many.

I only watch WTA if there's a hot player playing. and even then, it bores me to death.

And they dare to think they should get equal prize money in slams, even though they play 3 setters and ATP plays 5 setters.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-03-2010, 07:26 PM
Stosur saving the tour. :sport:

Also, I reported that post for excessive and unnecessary rudeness. ^^

straitup
06-03-2010, 07:30 PM
I'm actually quite excited for the final on Saturday...I've always liked Schiavone, and Stosur is actually watchable. Just hope Schiavone can make it a match, Stosur is playing incredible

out_here_grindin
06-03-2010, 08:11 PM
This should be a watchable final. Things look much better with the william sisters gone

madmax
06-03-2010, 08:23 PM
This should be a watchable final. Things look much better with the william sisters gone

seconded:worship:These two buggers make the WTA tour almost unwatchable for me

Orka_n
06-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Stosur saving the tour. :sport:Stosur :music: Now take the title, you legend.

Tutu
06-04-2010, 07:34 AM
Well, where to begin?

1. The quality sucks, the amount of double faults, UEs and general crappy shots is unbelievable.
2. The William's siters are no.1 and no.2 :tape:
3. The grunting is terrible too, it's not a if their giving birth. They're just hitting a ball with a racquet, ffs.
4. It takes so long for matches to end. Even ATP 5 setters are somtimes shorter than WTA 3 setters.
5. It seems the only type of player there is on the WTA tour is the ballbasher.

So overall, that's why the WTA sucks. There are some enjoyable players to watch, but not many.

I only watch WTA if there's a hot player playing. and even then, it bores me to death.

And they dare to think they should get equal prize money in slams, even though they play 3 setters and ATP plays 5 setters.
Well some of them are your own opionion but firstly, what is so bad about Venus and Serena being one and two? Greatest players of their generation, no?

and #5 is not true at all.

Toaderling
06-04-2010, 07:37 AM
Hay thur Tuti

Toaderling
06-04-2010, 07:38 AM
Well some of them are your own opionion but firstly, what is so bad about Venus and Serena being one and two? Greatest players of their generation, no?


I do't think they're better than Henin :confused::confused::confused:

Tutu
06-04-2010, 07:41 AM
Hay thur Tuti
You're odd.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 09:09 AM
I'm actually quite excited for the final on Saturday...I've always liked Schiavone, and Stosur is actually watchable. Just hope Schiavone can make it a match, Stosur is playing incredible

This should be a watchable final. Things look much better with the william sisters gone

seconded:worship:These two buggers make the WTA tour almost unwatchable for me

Stosur :music: Now take the title, you legend.

Right on, sistaz!!! :cool:

You're odd.

ta3

FlameOn
06-04-2010, 10:09 AM
It's sad Elena had to retire. She never has any luck. :rolleyes:

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 11:08 AM
It's sad Elena had to retire. She never has any luck. :rolleyes:

Bitch, please. If Elena held at *4-3 40-15 she would have won the set and fought through the pain until the bitter end. Still love her, though. :hearts:

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-04-2010, 11:10 AM
Bitch, please. If Elena held at *4-3 40-15 she would have won the set and fought through the pain until the bitter end. Still love her, though. :hearts:

what is wrong with you girl. Do ya live in da ghetto :silly:


seriously the womens tourney has been an absolute farce.

two roided up 30 year olds in the final..yippee :yippee:

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 11:15 AM
Bish, shut yo mouth SUCKAA!!!!

Soderling took out the old swiss cheese and fed to the pilgrimz! :bigclap:rejoice gurl,

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-04-2010, 11:19 AM
Bish, shut yo mouth SUCKAA!!!!

Soderling took out the old swiss cheese and fed to the pilgrimz! :bigclap:rejoice gurl,

yea and sam stosur humbled the future 'the biggest loser '' contestant..Americas finest Serena Williams back to Burger King :awww:

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-04-2010, 11:20 AM
shut yo mouth SUCKAA!!!!



is that you Booker?

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 11:22 AM
yea and sam stosur humbled the future 'the biggest loser '' contestant..Americas finest Serena Williams back to Burger King :awww:

Why you assume that I like Serena? Because I'm black? You slamless.

is that you Booker?

Serena? :apumpkin::crazy:

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-04-2010, 11:29 AM
Why you assume that I like Serena? Because I'm black? You slamless.



Serena? :apumpkin::crazy:

i am supposed to know you're black?

dont most wta fans like serena? most of them are gloryhunters

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 12:41 PM
I hate Serena!!1 :inlove::inlove::inlove: Venus is okay, but you should have known from my sig, gurl. Why you cry?

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 03:45 PM
Stosur saving the tour. :sport:

Also, I reported that post for excessive and unnecessary rudeness. ^^
I'm sorry if I came out as rude, but that's my opinion. I don't like the WTA :shrug:

sammy01
06-04-2010, 04:06 PM
i like WTA, but it aint good right now. stosur vs fran is for me worrying to say the least. if fran was grand slam final material why hasn't she done it by now?

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 04:08 PM
Do you like any WTA players, or anything about any of their games? Particular the starlets in my sig (WHiCH i THiNK LOOKS AMAZiNG LiKE THiS, don't you think?)

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 04:16 PM
i like WTA, but it aint good right now. stosur vs fran is for me worrying to say the least. if fran was grand slam final material why hasn't she done it by now?

Unfortunate the draw has fucked things up. With the comebacks of all these top players, players with inflated rankings, it's fucking up the seeds and subsequently the draws. One quarter had Serena, Henin, Sharapova and Stosur. Another had Venus, Rezai and Petrova (my pick for the tournament). Dementieva, who'd won 1 clay match all year makes the SF. Injured. All thanks to a cakewalk draw. The strongest opponent Jankovic played before the SF was Ms Clay Supreme Daniela Hantuchova.

The only way to stop players like Schiavone making finals through LUCK is to seed based on current form. She beat Wozniacki, who isn't one of the best 10 players in the world IMO, and was lucky to face an injured Dementieva who was lucky to face an injured Petrova and have a cakewalk draw. I think Rezai totally should have been a TOP 8 seed, along with Henin obviously. MJMS should have had a TOP 16 seed.

Stosur 100% deserves her place in the final and you're retarded if you disagree.

Everko
06-04-2010, 05:42 PM
Stosur saving the tour. :sport:

Also, I reported that post for excessive and unnecessary rudeness. ^^


:baby::baby:

Baghdatis#1
06-04-2010, 07:25 PM
Stosur deserves it :shrug:
Schiavone on the other hand... :tape:

The draw was just unbalanced :shrug:
Serena, Justine, Maria, and Sam in the same quarter :tape:
Venus, Elena, Nadia, and Aravane in the same quarter :tape:
Poor Martinez Sanchez got injured in training :awww:

safin-rules-no.1
06-04-2010, 07:32 PM
I hate Stosur's game - very unattractive. Hope Schiavoni wins :D WTA is shit either way since Hingis and Davenport no longer play :D

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 08:25 PM
:baby::baby:

Okay, just shut the fuck up!

Stosur deserves it :shrug:
Schiavone on the other hand... :tape:

The draw was just unbalanced :shrug:
Serena, Justine, Maria, and Sam in the same quarter :tape:
Venus, Elena, Nadia, and Aravane in the same quarter :tape:
Poor Martinez Sanchez got injured in training :awww:

Elena was in the 3rd quarter, not the 4th.

I hate Stosur's game - very unattractive. Hope Schiavoni wins :D WTA is shit either way since Hingis and Davenport no longer play :D

I thought Stosur's game would be liked over here. Actually I think it is, but yo just a HATORBYTCH! :o:rolleyes::confused::worship::worship:

Hingis :hearts: but Davenpork was a Pigova :kiss::kiss:

safin-rules-no.1
06-04-2010, 08:42 PM
I thought Stosur's game would be liked over here. Actually I think it is, but yo just a HATORBYTCH! :o:rolleyes::confused::worship::worship:

Hingis :hearts: but Davenpork was a Pigova :kiss::kiss:

Kiss my sweet asshole

Sapeod
06-04-2010, 08:44 PM
This Dmirty Verdasco is good.

straitup
06-04-2010, 08:44 PM
Davenport was not a pigova :lol: When you think of pigovas, you think violent loud sounds of passion and, right now, poor serving. Davenport had neither of those. Of course her speed was just a tad bit worse than most of them...I think Kleybanova is faster than her, and she's a monster

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 08:47 PM
if kleybs would get her ass on a treadmill she'd be top 10 by now NO DOUBT! 9oh gurl, love me some gwen!)

but her mum died wen she was young so i think that efects her diet :sad:

safin-rules-no.1
06-04-2010, 08:47 PM
This Dmirty Verdasco is good.

Knew it, you are both the same poster. Case closed.

Certinfy
06-04-2010, 08:49 PM
Stosur is by far the most watchable player in the WTA IMO. Defo one of my fave players. Besides her and a few others (Kirilenko, Safarova and Hantuchova) I don't really give a shit about the WTA. I only watch it if one of them is playing.

Either way come on Sam, she so deserves this. :)

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 08:51 PM
This Dmirty Verdasco is good.

i take bak every mean word:angel:;)

ServeAlready81
06-04-2010, 09:17 PM
Why do so many people hate the William sisters? I think they're great sports figures and bring new and diverse fans to the game.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-04-2010, 11:32 PM
They're an abomination to the sport. They ruined tennis and leave Dementieva slamless. :(

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-05-2010, 01:31 AM
They're an abomination to the sport. They ruined tennis and leave Dementieva slamless. :(

your an abomination to this site :o

DualMedia
06-05-2010, 02:47 AM
Why do so many people hate the William sisters? I think they're great sports figures and bring new and diverse fans to the game.

i agree! they are the most successful!! as a fan, you are a defender!

alfonsojose
06-05-2010, 02:55 AM
i agree! they are the most successful!! as a fan, you are a defender!

Pubic hair surrounding a heart. What an avatar :bowdown: yeah: :lol:

Tutu
06-05-2010, 07:49 AM
i like WTA, but it aint good right now. stosur vs fran is for me worrying to say the least. if fran was grand slam final material why hasn't she done it by now?
It's the accumilation of years of hard work. Players breakthrough at different times and it seems that this was her time. She's talented, she's almost a lesser version of Henin and I know that you enjoy watching Henin so what don't you like about Schiavone?

As for Stosur, her game is hideous. Her technique is poor, her game robotic and I just find her a horror to watch. Coupled with all the retarded Australian fans on TF, I really don't want her to do well.

Goloback Gurk
06-05-2010, 08:06 AM
i dont WTA IS LIFE!!!111

Roddickpova
06-05-2010, 08:31 AM
Stosur is by far the most watchable player in the WTA IMO. Defo one of my fave players. Besides her and a few others (Kirilenko, Safarova and Hantuchova) I don't really give a shit about the WTA. I only watch it if one of them is playing.

Either way come on Sam, she so deserves this. :)

Then why do you always post on TF and have like 1500 posts, you retarted freako.

Goloback Gurk
06-05-2010, 08:35 AM
Then why do you always post on TF and have like 1500 posts, you retarted freako.
:haha:

FlameOn
06-05-2010, 08:56 AM
:haha:
TVTennis = FlameOn. :lol:

Certinfy
06-05-2010, 09:35 AM
Then why do you always post on TF and have like 1500 posts, you retarted freako.
Have u actually seen where most of those posts have come from? Mostly in NT ;)

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 12:43 PM
It's the accumilation of years of hard work. Players breakthrough at different times and it seems that this was her time. She's talented, she's almost a lesser version of Henin and I know that you enjoy watching Henin so what don't you like about Schiavone?

As for Stosur, her game is hideous. Her technique is poor, her game robotic and I just find her a horror to watch. Coupled with all the retarded Australian fans on TF, I really don't want her to do well.

As opposed to you, cheering on Melanie South and Naomi Broady :retard::retard::retard:

Then why do you always post on TF and have like 1500 posts, you retarted freako.

yes, well said
:worship::worship::worship:

safin-rules-no.1
06-05-2010, 01:03 PM
Stosur's game - http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0021.gif

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 01:26 PM
I hate the WTA because Francesca Schiavone was a slam. :hysteric:

Helevorn
06-05-2010, 02:00 PM
was what? XD

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 02:23 PM
was a slam, and Stosur was slamless. :hysteric:

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 02:24 PM
maria is the only entertaining player to watch in the womens game.

green25814
06-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Funny thing about Schiavone winning a slam, is that she's pretty much the only female player on the tour with the right mentality. On the important points, she actually played WELL. :lol:

safin-rules-no.1
06-05-2010, 03:05 PM
Stosur lost because she whore awful glasses

straitup
06-05-2010, 03:25 PM
:worship: Incredible tiebreak by Schiavone...I thought she'd be more mentally together today, and she really showed it

I really hope Stosur has more opportunities, she seems like a really nice woman and is much easier to root for than many of the others

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 03:53 PM
maria is the only entertaining player to watch in the womens game.

:spit: Maria and her Strasbourg title :worship::worship::worship:

Helevorn
06-05-2010, 03:55 PM
Stosur lost because she whore awful glasses

you're right, that's actually the only reason I could find in order to explain Schiavone's win in two sets

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 06:01 PM
Schiavone played a hell of a match. It was a pretty good final, and it's good to see a perennial journeywoman like Fran breakthrough in the fashion she did. Retire now, bitch.

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 06:10 PM
WTA are full of boring players. In the past 10 years the only players I have actually found entertaining are Sharapova, and sometimes Hingis. The rest bores me to sleep.

Sapeod
06-05-2010, 06:12 PM
was a slam, and Stosur was slamless. :hysteric:
English isn't your strong point is it?

FiBeR
06-05-2010, 06:17 PM
Schiavone, the fairytale

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 06:23 PM
English isn't your strong point is it?

http://www.gifflix.com/files/7e5e2c78fb19.gif

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Schiavone played one hell of a match today. She served a lot better than Sam, moved a ton better, had more variety, played in the moment much better and had a better gameplan. She believed she can win and didn't let the moment get to her. I am very happy for her, because she is such a nice person and really works so hard.

Sam would never make it on the ATP tour as anything more than a journeyman clay court specialist. I'm not too surprised she has made it like she has on the WTA tour because her power and spin give many women trouble. People say she plays like a man, but she's no more than a reduced version of Moya. She is a seriously limited player and was exposed today.

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 06:26 PM
I don't dislike the WTA tour but I prefer ATP tennis because the quality is much better and there is generally more of a gameplan and thought in the points. The ballbashing, lack of serving, and poor movement annoys me too much. Also, seeing most of the girls choking from winning positions is not cool. But the drama in WTA matches can be greater than in ATP matches, because of the unpredictability.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 06:28 PM
^^ What did you think of todays final?

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 06:28 PM
I think a top 5 player in the WTA is like a top 50 player in the ATP. ATP is obviously much stronger thats why when I watch WTA I want to watch more classy, graceful and beautiful tennis. Sharapova is the only one that produces that in the WTA. Hingis used to do it.

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 06:32 PM
^^ What did you think of todays final?

I am disappointed Sam lost :sad: But happy for Schiavone to win. I thought it was a nicely played final, I enjoyed seeing it, the quality was good, better than Soderling-Berdych or last years ATP final.

Tutu
06-05-2010, 06:34 PM
As opposed to you, cheering on Melanie South and Naomi Broady
Well they happen to be my least favourite Brits, but good try. I think it's time to give up on the WTA, banned poster.
Schiavone played a hell of a match. It was a pretty good final, and it's good to see a perennial journeywoman like Fran breakthrough in the fashion she did. Retire now, bitch.
Yes because Journeywomen have (had) a career high of 11 with 20+ wins over top tenners including Serena, Henin, peak Mauresmo and many others.

Incredible result and incredible play from Fran. I picked her to make the semis at the beginning of the FO, can't believe she actually went all the way. :lol:

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 06:45 PM
Schiavone played one hell of a match today. She served a lot better than Sam, moved a ton better, had more variety, played in the moment much better and had a better gameplan. She believed she can win and didn't let the moment get to her. I am very happy for her, because she is such a nice person and really works so hard.

Sam would never make it on the ATP tour as anything more than a journeyman clay court specialist. I'm not too surprised she has made it like she has on the WTA tour because her power and spin give many women trouble. People say she plays like a man, but she's no more than a reduced version of Moya. She is a seriously limited player and was exposed today.

Apologies. I missed this post. :hysteric:

I agree 100%. Stosur has a top quality serve and FH (when she has time to set) but the rest of her game isn't near as solid. I'm not a tennis specialist or anything but I think that some of the following could help her game on all surfaces and even more on clay.


1) Mix up the serve more. Her kick serve, out wide on the ad court is phenomenal. I think she could incorporate a proper slider down the middle on the ad, and out wide on the deuce court (ala Serena). Also, she needs to be able to flatten it out a little more. Fran read the serve really well today.

2) Improve the movement out to the FH. Her FH is amazing when she's got time to set, but on the run it's fairly erratic. Also, I'd like to see her flatten it out a little on the grass especially. Her FH today didn't open up the court enough, I think alot of the time it lacked direction and sometimes a lot of bite and pace.

3) General court awareness and net play. For someone with so much success in doubles, her volleys in singles are hilariously bad. I don't if she panics, or seeing the court from a different perspective in singles compared to doubles mixes her up. I dunno, I'm completely fucked. She has no confidence up there and she needs to have faith in her net game if she's to do even okay on the grass. Her touch also leaves a lot to be desired.

4) Backhand. I think she needs to mix it up a lot more than she is, but it's a lot more solid than it was. Coming into the grass I'd like her to slice it a little more, especially DTL (low and sliding away). But, following that in and having a confident net game (see 3)) is important in such things coming off.

5) Mental. If she had the mentality of Schiavone she would have won today. That said, Schiavone has one of the best mentalities on tour (as well as Serena, Wozniacki, Peer.. etc) Some players just don't have it in them.



I don't know about Stosur. There's room for an all court, dynamic game but watching her this fortnight sticking to her strengths (kick serve + big FH) have seen her have the best fortnight of her career. Fine tuning those strengths could lead her to slam glory 12 months from now. It won't come on any other surface though.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-05-2010, 06:53 PM
Well they happen to be my least favourite Brits, but good try. I think it's time to give up on the WTA, banned poster.

Hobart R1: Dokic def Baltacha 64 62

Yes because Journeywomen have (had) a career high of 11 with 20+ wins over top tenners including Serena, Henin, peak Mauresmo and many others.

Incredible result and incredible play from Fran. I picked her to make the semis at the beginning of the FO, can't believe she actually went all the way. :lol:

:spit: You did not, don't lie.

I'm not dissing Fran, she played really well. Truth is, before this fortnight she had no business being a slam winner. My definition of a journeywoman isn't Mayr or Zahlahvova, but someone who plays out their career at roughly the same level from start to finish not touted for any real glory. Before this, her biggest win was (the very weak) Moscow tourney last year. I don't think anyone touted her as a Tier I winner before this, but no one doubted her place in the TOP 20. I'll admit 10-20 is where I thought her peak belonged.

Also, like my sig?

Filo V.
06-05-2010, 07:31 PM
Apologies. I missed this post. :hysteric:

I agree 100%. Stosur has a top quality serve and FH (when she has time to set) but the rest of her game isn't near as solid. I'm not a tennis specialist or anything but I think that some of the following could help her game on all surfaces and even more on clay.


1) Mix up the serve more. Her kick serve, out wide on the ad court is phenomenal. I think she could incorporate a proper slider down the middle on the ad, and out wide on the deuce court (ala Serena). Also, she needs to be able to flatten it out a little more. Fran read the serve really well today.

2) Improve the movement out to the FH. Her FH is amazing when she's got time to set, but on the run it's fairly erratic. Also, I'd like to see her flatten it out a little on the grass especially. Her FH today didn't open up the court enough, I think alot of the time it lacked direction and sometimes a lot of bite and pace.

3) General court awareness and net play. For someone with so much success in doubles, her volleys in singles are hilariously bad. I don't if she panics, or seeing the court from a different perspective in singles compared to doubles mixes her up. I dunno, I'm completely fucked. She has no confidence up there and she needs to have faith in her net game if she's to do even okay on the grass. Her touch also leaves a lot to be desired.

4) Backhand. I think she needs to mix it up a lot more than she is, but it's a lot more solid than it was. Coming into the grass I'd like her to slice it a little more, especially DTL (low and sliding away). But, following that in and having a confident net game (see 3)) is important in such things coming off.

5) Mental. If she had the mentality of Schiavone she would have won today. That said, Schiavone has one of the best mentalities on tour (as well as Serena, Wozniacki, Peer.. etc) Some players just don't have it in them.



I don't know about Stosur. There's room for an all court, dynamic game but watching her this fortnight sticking to her strengths (kick serve + big FH) have seen her have the best fortnight of her career. Fine tuning those strengths could lead her to slam glory 12 months from now. It won't come on any other surface though.

Very good analysis! I agree with almost all of it, except for her backhand, at least on surfaces other than grass. Her slice is very poor. It floats, it lands short, and it's defensive. She is going to have to learn to hit over her backhand better. She gets rushed to easily and would be better served to have a more compact backhand instead of the windshield wiper backhand she has now, where she hits up on the ball and mishits too much.

Also, the biggest issue with her when it comes to her net game is she has a bad transition game. Her transition game is basically hit a big forehand and hope for an easy defensive response. She doesn't have the ability or mindset to do much else, and she struggles when hitting the forehand earlier because of her big swing. She should chip and charge with the backhand a bit, to do that she'll need to improve her slice.

Kuznetsova has a somewhat similar game but is pretty much a better version of Sam. If Sveta can't show a great level on grass (and lately on hard too) then I don't see Sam doing much on other surfaces. But she will still be a threat to win the French year in and out with the way she plays.

green25814
06-05-2010, 09:04 PM
I think a top 5 player in the WTA is like a top 50 player in the ATP. ATP is obviously much stronger thats why when I watch WTA I want to watch more classy, graceful and beautiful tennis. Sharapova is the only one that produces that in the WTA. Hingis used to do it.

More like a top 5000 player.

Tutu
06-05-2010, 09:31 PM
Hobart R1: Dokic def Baltacha 64 62



:spit: You did not, don't lie.

I'm not dissing Fran, she played really well. Truth is, before this fortnight she had no business being a slam winner. My definition of a journeywoman isn't Mayr or Zahlahvova, but someone who plays out their career at roughly the same level from start to finish not touted for any real glory. Before this, her biggest win was (the very weak) Moscow tourney last year. I don't think anyone touted her as a Tier I winner before this, but no one doubted her place in the TOP 20. I'll admit 10-20 is where I thought her peak belonged.

Also, like my sig?
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=17892650&postcount=52 That is all. And my sig is better. Bye, girl!

Tutu
06-05-2010, 09:32 PM
Stosur's game - http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0021.gif
Dis.

laurie-1
06-05-2010, 09:33 PM
The way how Francesca knew when to come to the net was very heartening, especially after hitting good deep inside out forehands knowing she could sneak in off a high floating reply. I've watched in despair over the last 10 years in both the mens and womens game, players who would hit great inside out forehands and stay back, and then have to hit extra shots and often lose the point anyway. Also, Francesca was mixing up her return of serve beautifully – chipping and charging on some points and going for big returns on some points, keeping Stosur guessing – all of the things we don’t see much in the modern game.

All court Tennis is still the best and too many modern players are not interesting to watch.

But also Francesca's victory maybe shows 2 things:

1. The great Federation Cup team Italy has assembled since 2005 (they've won it twice and lost one final) has given Francesca the confidence to play bold in tournaments and believe in herself more than ever

2. Playing an all court style of Tennis takes longer to develop and a lot of young players / coaches are not willing to put in the time and effort to produce a player who could play the sort of tactical Tennis Francesca showed today.

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 09:35 PM
More like a top 5000 player.

I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark

laurie-1
06-05-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark

THAT is very true.

ServeAlready81
06-05-2010, 10:00 PM
I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark

Serving and returning I think Serena can compete with some of the men players. Once they get into a groudstroke rally where she'd have to move it'd be all over for her :lol:

Smoke944
06-05-2010, 10:02 PM
I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark

6-0 6-1 if Boggo doesn't give a shit

Certinfy
06-05-2010, 10:05 PM
Boggo will take the shit out of Serena!

DualMedia
06-05-2010, 10:05 PM
Serena is the only women's player that I think can defeat a top 10 player!

laurie-1
06-05-2010, 10:06 PM
Alex Bogdanovic is one of the mentally weakest Tennis players I've seen in over 20 years of watching Tennis - he might be the weakest.

The thought of the possibility of losing to a woman like Serena would be too much for his mind, it would blow his mind and he would lose the match anyway, I'm convinced of that.

Ivanatis
06-05-2010, 10:06 PM
Serena is the only women's player that I think can defeat a top 10 player!

Two words. Karsten Braasch.

DualMedia
06-05-2010, 10:07 PM
Two words. Karsten Braasch.

Three words. explain the joke.

Smoke944
06-05-2010, 10:07 PM
Alex Bogdanovic is one of the mentally weakest Tennis players I've seen in over 20 years of watching Tennis - he might be the weakest.

The thought of the possibility of losing to a woman like Serena would be too much for his mind, it would blow his mind and he would lose the match anyway, I'm convinced of that.

Oddly enough you may have a point, Boggo does not deal with pressure situations too well :lol:

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 10:08 PM
If Serena v Bogdanovic, say if the winner gets £500,000. So both players will try their best and care, I cannot see how Boggy would come close to serena.

Ivanatis
06-05-2010, 10:12 PM
Three words. explain the joke.

http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/01-98/01-28-98/d05sp210.htm

no offense, you're too young to remember
but I feel the gap between ATP and WTA has even increased since back then

DualMedia
06-05-2010, 10:14 PM
she was 16, then!!
i want battle of the sexes again!

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 10:15 PM
16 year old serena. thats explains it. serena didn't become good until she was 19

Ivanatis
06-05-2010, 10:25 PM
16 year old serena. thats explains it. serena didn't become good until she was 19

wouldnt look different now, ballbashing doesn't hurt ATP players
the only one I could see to stay competitive against a player around 200 is Henin, but also only on a very good day

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 10:27 PM
wouldnt look different now, ballbashing doesn't hurt ATP players
the only one I could see to stay competitive against a player around 200 is Henin, but also only on a very good day

doesn't hurt decent ATP players but it would hurt lowly ranked talentless male players

BigJohn
06-05-2010, 10:40 PM
maria is the only entertaining player to watch in the womens game.

Shutupova is a fighter all right, but a brainless ball basher who needs to put a freaking sock in it. And as far as entertainment is concerned, there was Hingis and Mauresmo, and now Henin. The rest is meh.


Serena is the only women's player that I think can defeat a top 10 player!

Name that player please.

I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark

No because:

Serving and returning I think Serena can compete with some of the men players. Once they get into a groudstroke rally where she'd have to move it'd be all over for her :lol:

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 10:46 PM
Shutupova is a fighter all right, but a brainless ball basher who needs to put a freaking sock in it. And as far as entertainment is concerned, there was Hingis and Mauresmo, and now Henin. The rest is meh.

Name that player please.

No because:

Sharapova is entertaining, great player, great all round game, pretty tennis. I quite liked Hinigs' game as well. Mauresmo entertaining??? Are you joking? Henin plays ugly tennis.

Boggy can't rally with Serena, Venus or Maria

LeChuck
06-05-2010, 10:47 PM
Serena would have no chance of beating her male hitting parter Aleksander Bajin if they played a match against each other, let alone a professional men's tennis player who has reached 108 in the ATP rankings. Bogdanovic was 2 points away from beating Roddick at Queen's in 2007, so it's hard to see Serena posing any threat against him.

Lindsay Davenport admitted that she would have no chance of beating her husband Jon Leach in a match. His career high ATP ranking was 834.

Jen Capriati said she would have no chance of beating her younger brother Steven. His career high ranking was 1295.

Sharapova regularly loses to junior male players who never make a dent as pros when she trains at the Bollettieri academy. Karan Rastogi anyone.

By all accounts Braasch was hardly taking his matches against either Williams sister seriously, smoking at the change of ends, showboating and generally taking the piss.

I like women's tennis as well as men's, but the gulf is huge. Jesse Levine played against Sharapova in a match once, and said that after messing around for a couple games, he started hitting his shots with a liberal amount of topspin, and Sharapova simply couldn't cope.

I remember watching the Muster-Bammer exhibition last year, thinking that if he played against one of the WTA power hitters rather than the tenacious and well conditioned Bammer, he would have won even more easily as they wouldn't have been able to last more than 4-5 shots in a rally against him without spraying errors all over the place.

Ivanatis
06-05-2010, 11:20 PM
doesn't hurt decent ATP players but it would hurt lowly ranked talentless male players

I doubt that.

Sapeod
06-05-2010, 11:39 PM
I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark
I'm fairly sure she wouldn't.

Sapeod
06-05-2010, 11:41 PM
If Serena v Bogdanovic, say if the winner gets £500,000. So both players will try their best and care, I cannot see how Boggy would come close to serena.
But Bogdanovic is a male tennis player, and male tennis players are just more powerful. I'm sure at his best Bogdanovic would win. He did almost beat Roddick on grass at his best.

NadalSharapova
06-05-2010, 11:43 PM
a male tennis player but a shite one. a good one of course would beat all females.

Sapeod
06-06-2010, 12:14 AM
Bogdanovic at his best>>>>>>All female tennis players.

BigJohn
06-06-2010, 12:20 AM
Sharapova is entertaining, great player, great all round game, pretty tennis. I quite liked Hinigs' game as well. Mauresmo entertaining??? Are you joking? Henin plays ugly tennis.

Boggy can't rally with Serena, Venus or Maria

Sharapova = pretty tennis? :rolleyes:

Pretty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. It certainly is not on the court when she plays.


a male tennis player but a shite one. a good one of course would beat all females.

LeChuck's post said it all. You just need to process the info.

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 12:22 AM
Sharapova = pretty tennis? :rolleyes:

Pretty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. It certainly is not on the court when she plays.


Of course maria plays pretty tennis compared to the rest of the wta. Are you being sarcastic when you mentioned mauresmo?

BigJohn
06-06-2010, 12:28 AM
Of course maria plays pretty tennis compared to the rest of the wta. Are you being sarcastic when you mentioned mauresmo?

Mauresmo's game was more complete than Sharapova. Are you being sarcastic when you say that Sharapova has the prettiest game of all wta? Because she is not even close to Henin.

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 12:43 AM
Mauresmo's game was more complete than Sharapova. Are you being sarcastic when you say that Sharapova has the prettiest game of all wta? Because she is not even close to Henin.

henin has more majors and is better (apart from grass) but maria plays more aesthetically pleasing tennis. now mauresmo has NOTHING on maria, less accomplishments and not as good game. no, im being serious.

im just talking about how entertaining and attractive tennis to watch, im not talking about the best player. if im talking about the best then its serena but i dont like watching her tennis.

BigJohn
06-06-2010, 12:48 AM
henin has more majors and is better (apart from grass) but maria plays more aesthetically pleasing tennis. now mauresmo has NOTHING on maria, less accomplishments and not as good game. no, im being serious.

im just talking about how entertaining and attractive tennis to watch, im not talking about the best player. if im talking about the best then its serena but i dont like watching her tennis.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I find nothing aesthetically pleasing in Sharapova screaming brainless ball bashing brand of tennis.

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 12:54 AM
Well maybe after all the injurys not as aesthetically please as before but in her best days...2004-2008 she played wonderful elegant tennis. wimbledon 2004 was probably the peak though unfortunately, if you watch that particular tournament you would agree. her clay court game is not so pretty, i think thats your vision of her.

BigJohn
06-06-2010, 01:15 AM
Well maybe after all the injurys not as aesthetically please as before but in her best days...2004-2008 she played wonderful elegant tennis. wimbledon 2004 was probably the peak though unfortunately, if you watch that particular tournament you would agree. her clay court game is not so pretty, i think thats your vision of her.

Perception is reality.

DualMedia
06-06-2010, 01:18 AM
maria S. used to play "i'm going to whoop your ass tennis", but she figured out she can make more money! looking sxc on the court!

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-06-2010, 01:54 AM
Well maybe after all the injurys not as aesthetically please as before but in her best days...2004-2008 she played wonderful elegant tennis. wimbledon 2004 was probably the peak though unfortunately, if you watch that particular tournament you would agree. her clay court game is not so pretty, i think thats your vision of her.

have you ever watched live tennis?

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 01:57 AM
have you ever watched live tennis?

been to the us open, french open and wimbledon. oz open is only slam i've never been to. why?

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-06-2010, 02:19 AM
been to the us open, french open and wimbledon. oz open is only slam i've never been to. why?

becasue then you should know that boggo and any other atp player can beat serena blindfolded. Because i am guessing you have seen them up close, and have noticed the contrasting game types. Also you would have seen how much more power is involved in the mens game.

btw svhiavone winning fench open is really the icing on the cake for the wta.its like arnaud clement winning wimbledon.

out_here_grindin
06-06-2010, 02:28 AM
Didn't Ryan Sweeting beat Serena pretty handily one time?

Isner was being generous to the WTA when he said the top ATP 700 could beat top 10 women's players

straitup
06-06-2010, 02:35 AM
she was 16, then!!
i want battle of the sexes again!

What a great idea...I'd love to see her play a 39 year old Bruguera...or Ryan Harrison :spit:

henin has more majors and is better (apart from grass) but maria plays more aesthetically pleasing tennis. now mauresmo has NOTHING on maria, less accomplishments and not as good game. no, im being serious.

im just talking about how entertaining and attractive tennis to watch, im not talking about the best player. if im talking about the best then its serena but i dont like watching her tennis.

Clearly the most aesthetically pleasing, most elegant tennis here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BMMXFjgCLs&feature=related

FlameOn
06-06-2010, 02:49 AM
Maria plays extremely aesthetically pleasing tennis. :worship:

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oranges
06-06-2010, 03:10 AM
Didn't Ryan Sweeting beat Serena pretty handily one time?

Isner was being generous to the WTA when he said the top ATP 700 could beat top 10 women's players

The whole idea who among men could beat top women is totally misguided and irrelevant. WTA has quality problems for a while now, but that's another issue altogether. For arguments sake, lets say that any top 100 ATP player would beat Navratilova handily back in the time, it wouldn't change the fact that she was by far the better player than most of them and that she would produce in her matches tennis more interesting to the audience than those "mugs" around 50. Some things are purely physical. Women's high jump is no less interesting to me just because their records are nowhere near the men's, after all that's why they compete against each other. Even today, at WTA's low, there's women I'd much rather watch than Boggo TBH and whether he would be able to beat them is pretty much irrelevant. Not many, in fact with Mauresmo retired, I think it leaves me with Kuznetsova as watchable, but you get the point ;)

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
06-06-2010, 03:17 AM
Sharapova's game is like a cow that struggles to reach the ball, and then when she does it's like a dear in headlights that has no idea what to do.

Stick to modelling gurkovin.

Dmitry Verdasco
06-06-2010, 04:33 AM
I'm sure Serena would beat the shite british players like bogdanovic fairly easily who is ranked around the 200 mark

Serena is the only women's player that I think can defeat a top 10 player!

she was 16, then!!
i want battle of the sexes again!

16 year old serena. thats explains it. serena didn't become good until she was 19

You two look stupid.

Two words. Karsten Braasch.

Three words. explain the joke.

You FAIL as a fan.

Maria plays extremely aesthetically pleasing tennis. :worship:


Go make a poll somewhere, fool.

CLAY-GOAT SEWTA
06-06-2010, 09:10 AM
Maria's tennis is the opposite of aesthetic not to mention she looks like a bulldog. Schiavone is actually hotter.

nevenez
06-06-2010, 09:27 AM
Womans tennis is pretty useless

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 10:31 AM
becasue then you should know that boggo and any other atp player can beat serena blindfolded. Because i am guessing you have seen them up close, and have noticed the contrasting game types. Also you would have seen how much more power is involved in the mens game.

btw svhiavone winning fench open is really the icing on the cake for the wta.its like arnaud clement winning wimbledon.

i watched boggo once and left after a few games. he is complete utter shite. no way can he beat a top wta player if it was a match that mattered. there is more power in the mens game i know that, but that does NOT apply to useless talentless lowly ranked players

FlameOn
06-06-2010, 10:32 AM
You two look stupid.





You FAIL as a fan.



Go make a poll somewhere, fool.
What did I do to you? :sad:

If you're mad I started this thread, just know it's more of a love-hate relationship than a pure hate one. ;)

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 10:41 AM
LOL, this guy is calling u a fool for saying maria plays great tennis and he has these talentless chumps in his sig: DOKiC RUBiN MYSKiNA STOSUR KOURNiKOVA DEMENTiEVA GOLOViN

Tutu
06-06-2010, 11:13 AM
Serving and returning I think Serena can compete with some of the men players. Once they get into a groudstroke rally where she'd have to move it'd be all over for her :lol:
I agree, although Serena is by no means slow.


And people calling Serena, Venus or even Maria ballbashers just have no clue what they're talking about. :lol:

safin-rules-no.1
06-06-2010, 11:38 AM
LOL, this guy is calling u a fool for saying maria plays great tennis and he has these talentless chumps in his sig: DOKiC RUBiN MYSKiNA STOSUR KOURNiKOVA DEMENTiEVA GOLOViN

:lol:

Matt01
06-06-2010, 11:38 AM
Sharapova is entertaining, great player, great all round game, pretty tennis. I quite liked Hinigs' game as well. Mauresmo entertaining??? Are you joking? Henin plays ugly tennis.



:spit:

NadalSharapova
06-06-2010, 12:46 PM
:spit:

:confused::confused::confused:

Surely when watch womens tennis you want to watch entertaining and attractive tennis? If you just want to watch quality tennis then better off just sticking with mens tennis.

laurie-1
06-06-2010, 12:51 PM
Tennis is a mental game and as I pointed out last night, as Bogdanovic is the weakest mental player I've seen, I think it would freak him out to play a woman with everyone watching. Thats why I would give a player like Serena a 75% chance of beating him.

On another point, I fail to see why so many are getting so worked up about womens Tennis. Of course men are stronger than women, its not a profound thing to say, (maybe it sounds profound to you guys?) Of course mens Tennis is going to be consistently higher quality for all the obvious reasons.

But I don't think the original poster was pointing out that men are stronger than women (shock, horror!!) he was trying to point out that the level of womens Tennis has dropped in the last years. Even though I don't think the womens game should be rubbished because a lot of people watch it, the level did drop after the demise of Davenport, Mauresmo, Pierce, Henin and Clijsters in 2007/2008 for one reason or another. I’ve made that clear many times on Tennis Forum in the last 24 months. But I make constructive criticism which is designed to get people think.

The level of womens Tennis will pick up again once coaches realise its better to win with a strategy and a gameplan as opposed to hitting the ball like there's no tomorrow. (See Nicole Vaidisova and Dinara Safina amongst others).

But, by the way, I've been watching Mens Tennis since the 1980s and there was a period in the mid 2000s when the mens game was a shambles behind Federer and Nadal with mentally frail players like Davydenko and James Blake who were constant features in the Top 10. I made my opinions clear on various forums like BBC and Centre Court during that time.

And to be frank, I don't think much has changed since the mid 2000s, the current number 3 and number 4 in the world often play what I can only describe as schoolboy Tennis. Murray displayed a quite pathetic schoolboy attitude screaming and whining after every point lost during the French Open whilst playing schoolboy Tennis (well behind the baseline and a lack of ability and power to hit winners). After spending years watching tough hard men like Sampras, Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Courier, Rafter, Kuerten, Muster among others who stand up and have a go, I find it hard to take Murray seriously and whilst a lot of guys here are rubbishing the womens game, they should take a look at the number 3 in the world who serves 2nd serves slower and in the middle of the box, than many women serve their 2nd serves – that alone should make some here think.

As for Djokovic, well where to start? Like Murray he has the penchant for displaying a schoolboy mentality and seems to fall to pieces sometimes and look manly at other times, what’s going on there? And I saw the Djoker at Roland Garros in 2007 beat Andreev in the quarterfinal and as people know, I study the serve – I thought Novak had a great delivery and would improve as he got older. And now I hear he allowed Todd Martin to mess with his technique and now ruin it? What’s manly about allowing someone to mess with your game when there was nothing wrong with it? Novak should have politely declined Todd’s suggestions and stuck more to discussing tactical strategy as opposed to messing with his technique – that’s what Todd Martin should have been focusing on in the rarefied level.

And until this French semi final, Thomas Berdych was another player I had a lot of problems with – another player who couldn’t handle any remote pressure. And what about Roddick? If I condemn Murray for playing schoolboy (dare I say womens Tennis) in a mans world; then Roddick has the most limited technique I’ve seen from a player who got to number 1 since the 1980s, a female Dinara Safina but with the fortune of winning the US Open in a transition period.

And what about Tsonga? I like him, I’ve seen him play live too (I’ve seen most players) but in the Aussie semi final, as soon as Federer hit one good shot, mentally he checked out, it was so obvious.

And yes my friend Monfils! Like Murray, he stands 6 ft 3 tall (1 metre 90 in Metric?) but prefers to hit powder puff shots from the well behind the baseline instead of having a go. Imagine been so tall and preferring to play counter punch? Him and Murray won all of the junior slams in 2004, not a good year for the juniors if it produces players like that who might as well play with the women the way they hit the ball.

So yes, Federer and Nadal have been great and Del Potro has potential for sure and Soderling could do something special today but scratch under the surface of the Top 2 of the ATP and its been dreadful on many occasions. So whilst you guys diss the WTA, the ATP has had its own issues of credibility to deal with.

Matt01
06-06-2010, 01:00 PM
:confused::confused::confused:

Surely when watch womens tennis you want to watch entertaining and attractive tennis? If you just want to watch quality tennis then better off just sticking with mens tennis.


I love WTA tennis, which has a lot of quality, and have lots of respect for Sharapova who has lots of mental strength and plays a powerful game. But her game is not an allround game and it is not a beautiful game to the eye.

FlameOn
06-06-2010, 01:07 PM
I love WTA tennis, which has a lot of quality, and have lots of respect for Sharapova who has lots of mental strength and plays a powerful game. But her game is not an allround game and it is not a beautiful game to the eye.
I for one find Sharapova's game more beautiful than Henin's. I bet that's not a popular viewpoint. :p

straitup
06-06-2010, 01:20 PM
I for one find Sharapova's game more beautiful than Henin's. I bet that's not a popular viewpoint. :p

Eh I probably wouldn't say that, but Henin's game doesn't look too beautiful to me. She may have a 1 handed backhand but her back looks like it's going through a seizure when she hits it. I also really don't like how she's changed up her gameplan on her comeback

Dmitry Verdasco
06-06-2010, 01:21 PM
Maria's tennis is the opposite of aesthetic not to mention she looks like a bulldog. Schiavone is actually hotter.

yes, well said
:worship::worship::worship:

LOL, this guy is calling u a fool for saying maria plays great tennis and he has these talentless chumps in his sig: DOKiC RUBiN MYSKiNA STOSUR KOURNiKOVA DEMENTiEVA GOLOViN

I agree, although Serena is by no means slow.


And people calling Serena, Venus or even Maria ballbashers just have no clue what they're talking about. :lol:

:lol:

I for one find Sharapova's game more beautiful than Henin's. I bet that's not a popular viewpoint. :p

:retard:

good_gambler
06-06-2010, 01:35 PM
Maria's tennis is the opposite of aesthetic not to mention she looks like a bulldog. Schiavone is actually hotter.
Too true. :worship:
LOL, this guy is calling u a fool for saying maria plays great tennis and he has these talentless chumps in his sig: DOKiC RUBiN MYSKiNA STOSUR KOURNiKOVA DEMENTiEVA GOLOViN

Don't you have a capital I on your computer? :retard:

:retard:

:retard:

good_gambler
06-06-2010, 01:48 PM
I love the WTA anyway. The tennis is very unpredictable and the birds are too hot. :drool:

cellophane
06-06-2010, 02:01 PM
I'm trying to watch the men's final, and I'm just not really into it :shrug:

FlameOn
06-06-2010, 02:11 PM
yes, well said
:worship::worship::worship:









:retard:
Just 'cause Henin has a one-handed backhand doesn't make her tennis aesthetically pleasing. :shrug:

Sharapova's is better to me. Her two-handed backhand is a dream. :drool:

Aaric
06-06-2010, 03:05 PM
Henin´s "beautiful" game is so a myth imo. Csn´s backhand is miles prettier

The Magician
06-06-2010, 03:14 PM
This page should show you how clueless you have to be to enjoy the bashfest WTA :wavey:

cellophane
06-06-2010, 03:38 PM
This page should show you how clueless you have to be to enjoy the bashfest WTA :wavey:

The women's final was better to watch than the men's :wavey: Talk about ZZZZZZZZZ

Aaric
06-06-2010, 03:40 PM
This page should show you how clueless you have to be to enjoy the bashfest WTA :wavey:

This page should show you how empty your life is given that you keep bashing WTA over and over and over again instead of going the fuck away :wavey:

Chiakifug
06-06-2010, 03:41 PM
^^ yep. Womens final >>>>>>>>>> mens final.

cellophane
06-06-2010, 06:14 PM
safin-rules-no.1 badrepped me... someone can't take the truth apparently... immature bitch much? :tape:

straitup
06-06-2010, 06:16 PM
The women's final was better to watch than the men's :wavey: Talk about ZZZZZZZZZ

Why do you post here then? This is clearly the MEN'S Tennis Forum

cellophane
06-06-2010, 06:19 PM
Why do you post here then? This is clearly the MEN'S Tennis Forum


a) Why do you care?

b)I don't post here that often

c) I enjoy men's tennis sometimes, I didn't say I hate it. I do prefer WTA by a lot with all the shiteousness, as it's still more interesting.

d) I tried to watched the men's final, and thought it was ZZZZ... so I posted my opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it!

Anyways, badreps shouldn't surprise me, as this place is full of WTA haterzzz and generally obnoxious posters (even more so than TF). :shrug:

.-Federers_Mate-.
06-06-2010, 09:43 PM
safin-rules-no.1 badrepped me... someone can't take the truth apparently... immature bitch much? :tape:

in what ways is wta better idiot.

Dont talk about the players being bitchy, thats not tennis.
Atp matches are more dramatic, who cares about the off-court stuff