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Top 5-6 is just in shambles. Just terrible currently.. Bottom line

SetSampras
04-03-2010, 06:38 PM
Roddick and Berdych in the finals prove this. Djokovic and Murray being UTTER CRAP!!.. Del Potro still out on injury reserves constantly.. Federer constantly going out to clowns in tournaments not called Grand Slams.. And nadal nowhere near what he was pre-injury..

Are we going back to the early 00s here? with guys like Gaudio or Johannson type players winning slams? It may be turning out that way eventually

Ilovetheblues_86
04-03-2010, 06:40 PM
Just Watch a top6 winning the next grand slam.

Certinfy
04-03-2010, 06:41 PM
Federer - Doesn't give a shit
Djokovic - Playing like utter shit
Murray - Mentality is fucked up
Nadal - Not much confidence
Del Potro - Injured
Davydenko - Injured
Soderling - Fucking up in big matches

But all credit to Roddick for taking advantage in IW and Miami :)

Mechlan
04-03-2010, 07:00 PM
:lol: I thought you were a Sampras fan. This is the way most of the 90s were. Everyone has dips in form, everyone has dips in confidence. The exceptional consistency of the top players week in and week out is not the norm. Would you like to put money on someone outside the top 8 winning one of the remaining slams this year? I wouldn't.

Sjengster
04-03-2010, 07:08 PM
Rest assured, if it were Federer and Nadal in the final having beaten Murray and Djokovic in the semis, that would be a sign of how weak this era is below the top players; it's a win-win situation for SetSampras, as almost every conceivable result in any tournament can be used negatively depending on which philosophy you're adopting this week.

andy neyer
04-03-2010, 07:12 PM
Yesterday Nadal lost in the semis and people were saying that he should retire

Now because neither of the top five won IW or Miami we have to conclude that the top 5 is in shambles.

What's wrong with this forum?

River
04-03-2010, 07:26 PM
Is stupid and ridiculous to get angry. I PRAISE Roddick and Berdych because FINALLY, it doesn't seem to so damn Top Heavy outside of slams.

What the Top 6 do is their damn fault, injuries excluded. If they decide to screw up, they have to fix it, because the other players aren't going to stand having a player with no heart in it winning a title they think is meaningless, ala Federer.

We finally don't have to see the same players in the finals every single time. I praise the shift, and hope it gives fruit to new things to come.

DJ Soup
04-03-2010, 07:39 PM
This is why I desperately want Delpo to come back

Nole fan
04-03-2010, 08:12 PM
I agree it's "good for the game" to see someone else other than the Top 5 in the finals but it is also getting less interesting and funny.

The Magician
04-03-2010, 08:33 PM
Apparently nuance is impossible. The top players not winning everything can be good or bad, depending on if their level dropped or if everyone else's got better. The former is bad for the game while the latter is good. In the current situation, it does seem like the top has started to play worse. The top 4 are clearly playing worse, and guys like Ljubucic, Fererro, and Youzny have always been almost top players but until recently that hasn't been enough. If Berdych can get it together and Soderling can stop being so streaky it might start to trend towards better play outside the top. Still, this is the first time I have to agree with SetSampras :eek:

Ozone
04-03-2010, 08:46 PM
Aother desperate mtfer trying to let there voice be heard by creating a thread about it in GM while there are countless others like this.

The whole field right now is justthe best it's ever been. Guy's outside the top 20 can beat the greatest of all time. Anyone in the top 20 has the ability to make a major final

ssj100
04-03-2010, 08:50 PM
Roddick and Berdych in the finals prove this. Djokovic and Murray being UTTER CRAP!!.. Del Potro still out on injury reserves constantly.. Federer constantly going out to clowns in tournaments not called Grand Slams.. And nadal nowhere near what he was pre-injury..

Are we going back to the early 00s here? with guys like Gaudio or Johannson type players winning slams? It may be turning out that way eventually

Mug era for sure. And warm regards. What surprises me is that you're surprised enough to create a new thread for something like this. All tennis players are useless nowadays don't you know? Federer just flukes his way through a mug era. Not even top 100 of all time. Maybe about 5004th best of all time, maybe less. Probably less. Sampras number 1 no contest.

ssj100
04-03-2010, 08:54 PM
Aother desperate mtfer trying to let there voice be heard by creating a thread about it in GM while there are countless others like this.

The whole field right now is justthe best it's ever been. Guy's outside the top 20 can beat the greatest of all time. Anyone in the top 20 has the ability to make a major final

Who's the greatest of all time in this era? Nadal? Perhaps. Federer? No way. He only wins when his opponents are injured and flukes his way through it all. Look at his head to head record with Nadal - he is owned badly mate. Not even close to being top 100 of all time. As I said, probably inside top 10,000, but that's about it.

Any decent tennis critic or fan will know what I'm talking about. If you watched tennis for 60 years, you'll know that McEnroe, Borg, Connors, Laver etc were the GOATs. Wake up guys!

Allez-Alejo
04-03-2010, 08:59 PM
Ha....flukes his way to 17 slams....that's classic.

Why does someone always feel the need to point out how weak an era is/was or say it is top heavy or bottom heavy. None of that shit matters...there is an explanation for every win or loss by a player but very few on here can actually understand that.

Ozone
04-03-2010, 09:19 PM
Who's the greatest of all time in this era? Nadal? Perhaps. Federer? No way. He only wins when his opponents are injured and flukes his way through it all. Look at his head to head record with Nadal - he is owned badly mate. Not even close to being top 100 of all time. As I said, probably inside top 10,000, but that's about it.

Any decent tennis critic or fan will know what I'm talking about. If you watched tennis for 60 years, you'll know that McEnroe, Borg, Connors, Laver etc were the GOATs. Wake up guys!
:lol:

You do realize the only reason Rafa has that H2H record on Fed is because Federer makes all the GS finals. Rafa only makes few of them. This would yield a good H2H record for anybody in Rafa's situation. You can tell me how many GS finals Federer has been in compared to Nadal if you'd like.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-03-2010, 09:51 PM
SetSampras is a

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Figure it out :)

When the top players win everything, it is a weak era.
When the top players lose everything, it is a weak era.
Therefore, Sampras is the GOAT, Federer sucks, blah blah blah. :haha:

Persimmon
04-03-2010, 09:56 PM
The top 5-6 is in such bad shape right now that Roddick that had not reached a MS final since Cincy 2006:eek::eek::eek::eek: has now reached back to back MS finals in 2010. But in the past 4 yrs, he was unable to reach a single MS final when the top players were in better shape:o:o:o:o What about Berdych reaching a MS final after 5 years?:eek::eek: Ljubo reaching a MS final after 4 years:eek: Top players are a mess right now...

leng jai
04-03-2010, 10:28 PM
Yesterday Nadal lost in the semis and people were saying that he should retire

Now because neither of the top five won IW or Miami we have to conclude that the top 5 is in shambles.

What's wrong with this forum?

How much time you got?

Certinfy
04-03-2010, 10:33 PM
Fair enough the top players aren't in great shape, but that's no reason to take any credit away from Ljubicic, Roddick or Berdych for what all 3 have achieved over these 2 MS events... :)

Nathaliia
04-03-2010, 10:35 PM
I think top 10, nah, let's extend it to top 20 should all retire and give a chance to some great names like Sampras, Agassi, Connors, McEnroe, Borg to come back and dominate.
Or at least they should let the guy #21 have his time.

Damn. I am back on this board after a few months of break and I think all these new posters should retire. What a bunch of super senseless posts. They've always been such, just the new set isn't even witty.

Certinfy
04-03-2010, 10:37 PM
The world number 21 is Isner :haha:

Nathaliia
04-03-2010, 10:45 PM
The world number 21 is Isner :haha:
Oh. He should retire too.

leng jai
04-03-2010, 10:48 PM
Oh. He should retire too.

He should have never turned pro in the first place.

heya
04-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Berdych has lost so many times, except in Japan when Roddick choked a title away for him.
Roddick has the maturity level of a 13-year-old.
He needed a stranger to tell him how to eat right.
He couldn't beat Tsonga after the umpire ignored a stolen break in Paris. Roddick couldn't beat Monfils, Davydenko, Querrey, Isner & Ljubicic, who's not even quick. He retired in Cincinnati against Kohlschreiber, soon after proving to the world how bored he was in Australia. He barely paid attention in his meetings with Blake. Roddick excitedly twittered after the French Open that he wished Federer'd win all Slam finals. Then he cried for the cameras after winning the Wimbledon semifinal... Big Shocker in the final. Gee, this tennis era's so strong.

yesyesok
04-03-2010, 11:49 PM
I decided to have a look at the world ranking of all winners of Masters 1000/Masters Series/Super 9 tournaments since they started in 1990, and it shows just how dominant the top of the game have been for the last couple of seasons, and hence the overreaction we are currently getting when they fail to win for 2 1000s in a row.

The average WR of the winner is 10.3, and in 2009 the average WR of the winner was 2.7 (the lowest of any year). The 2nd lowest was in 2006 with an average of 4.1. The highest average world ranking of the winner for any year was in 1996, (21.1), but that was mostly down to some mug ranked 143 in the world winning Hamburg. 2010 is actually the highest with 26, and will remain the highest if Berdy wins this weekend, but obviosuly its early doors yet.

Here's the average WR of the winner of each masters tournaments for every year, incase anybody is interested.

1990 - 11.1
1991 - 16.4
1992 - 10.4
1993 - 16.7
1994 - 6.7
1995 - 5.9
1996 - 21.1
1997 - 16
1998 - 9.9
1999 - 11.8
2000 - 9.9
2001 - 14
2002 - 9
2003 - 12.4
2004 - 5.1
2005 - 9.1
2006 - 4.1
2007 - 7.4
2008 - 4.7
2009 - 4.8
2010 - 26

Make of it what you will.

out_here_grindin
04-04-2010, 12:14 AM
But what indicates a stronger era? Low average rank winning or high? Whatever fits your argument

oranges
04-04-2010, 12:28 AM
SetSampras deserves some credit from restraining himself from similar threads for a couple of weeks. That's about 500% improvement over the 2-a-week schedule in the past. :rocker:

Mechlan
04-04-2010, 12:37 AM
I decided to have a look at the world ranking of all winners of Masters 1000/Masters Series/Super 9 tournaments since they started in 1990, and it shows just how dominant the top of the game have been for the last couple of seasons, and hence the overreaction we are currently getting when they fail to win for 2 1000s in a row.

The average WR of the winner is 10.3, and in 2009 the average WR of the winner was 2.7 (the lowest of any year). The 2nd lowest was in 2006 with an average of 4.1. The highest average world ranking of the winner for any year was in 1996, (21.1), but that was mostly down to some mug ranked 143 in the world winning Hamburg. 2010 is actually the highest with 26, and will remain the highest if Berdy wins this weekend, but obviosuly its early doors yet.

Here's the average WR of the winner of each masters tournaments for every year, incase anybody is interested.

1990 - 11.1
1991 - 16.4
1992 - 10.4
1993 - 16.7
1994 - 6.7
1995 - 5.9
1996 - 21.1
1997 - 16
1998 - 9.9
1999 - 11.8
2000 - 9.9
2001 - 14
2002 - 9
2003 - 12.4
2004 - 5.1
2005 - 9.1
2006 - 4.1
2007 - 7.4
2008 - 4.7
2009 - 4.8
2010 - 26

Make of it what you will.

Is there a typo in your results? You said the average in 2009 was 2.7 but you have it as 4.8 in the list.

DJ Soup
04-04-2010, 12:57 AM
But what indicates a stronger era? Low average rank winning or high? Whatever fits your argument

weak era is a winning argument because it can't be proven.

weak era is a losing argument because it can't be proven.

can you see where I'm going?

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-04-2010, 01:03 AM
quality of play has been crap, no really good matches so far. Not very exicting either. so many errors and players off form. Isner being 21 isnt that bad, Montanes being in th top 30 is much worse.

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-04-2010, 01:03 AM
But what indicates a stronger era? Low average rank winning or high? Whatever fits your argument
Where the matches are of higher quality maybe? better standard

DJ Soup
04-04-2010, 01:07 AM
Where the matches are of higher quality maybe? better standard

you can see high quality matches between top 20 guys

quality matches has a lot to do with matchups and mental/physical state of the players

ssj100
04-04-2010, 03:37 AM
Guys, these top 5-6 are mugs playing in the muggiest era of all time. They look remotely good only because they have amazing racquets to play with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sampras had it much much more difficult, with much more skilful opponents. Seriously, these current players don't even know how to hold the tennis racquet with the correct grip. Wake up!

DJ Soup
04-04-2010, 03:47 AM
Guys, these top 5-6 are mugs playing in the muggiest era of all time. They look remotely good only because they have amazing racquets to play with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sampras had it much much more difficult, with much more skilful opponents. Seriously, these current players don't even know how to hold the tennis racquet with the correct grip. Wake up!

take a chill pill dude. You're spamming everywhere with the same useless argument.

kengyin
04-04-2010, 03:51 AM
he is being sarcastic

DJ Soup
04-04-2010, 04:17 AM
he is being sarcastic

the fine line between sarcasm and idiocy cannot be detected on the internet

rubbERR
04-04-2010, 07:10 AM
theyre so terrible that other players thinking that theyre closing the gap between them, yeah right :lol:

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 07:53 AM
some have dropped the guard a bit after AO and some have been injured.......hence the ordinary results.......what's so surprising here?

maybe they also don't care about IW and miami as much as they do with the prestigious and historical european clay titles and the FO.......come roland garros, they all will be fine.......

ssj100
04-04-2010, 08:28 AM
some have dropped the guard a bit after AO and some have been injured.......hence the ordinary results.......what's so surprising here?

maybe they also don't care about IW and miami as much as they do with the prestigious and historical european clay titles and the FO.......come roland garros, they all will be fine.......

Exactly. Players nowadays are mugs in general - they just turn up and play for the money. They don't even know how to hold the racquets properly.

And yes, Nadal was injured anyway, and there's no way he can find his rhythm. When he wins, he won't be injured and will be finding his rhythm. Just wait.

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 11:04 AM
Exactly. Players nowadays are mugs in general - they just turn up and play for the money. They don't even know how to hold the racquets properly.

And yes, Nadal was injured anyway, and there's no way he can find his rhythm. When he wins, he won't be injured and will be finding his rhythm. Just wait.

spamgirl, i am loving it.......

paseo
04-04-2010, 12:07 PM
How much time you got?

:lol:

yesyesok
04-04-2010, 01:59 PM
Is there a typo in your results? You said the average in 2009 was 2.7 but you have it as 4.8 in the list.

Yeh sorry, it is 2.7. Don't know where i got 4.8 from.:confused:

Forehander
04-04-2010, 02:31 PM
Guys, these top 5-6 are mugs playing in the muggiest era of all time. They look remotely good only because they have amazing racquets to play with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sampras had it much much more difficult, with much more skilful opponents. Seriously, these current players don't even know how to hold the tennis racquet with the correct grip. Wake up!

Why wouldn't they know how to hold a tennis racquet grip correctly? Oh my god what a stupid comment...

anutam
04-04-2010, 03:10 PM
Guys, these top 5-6 are mugs playing in the muggiest era of all time. They look remotely good only because they have amazing racquets to play with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sampras had it much much more difficult, with much more skilful opponents. Seriously, these current players don't even know how to hold the tennis racquet with the correct grip. Wake up!

Double account? :shrug:

Nole fan
04-04-2010, 03:27 PM
Many stupid comments in this thread, don't bother reading them.

crude oil
04-04-2010, 08:31 PM
funny stuff. haas as #2...bjorkman in the top 5. rusedski????
rios...johansson, korda....moya, rafter as #1s? kafelnikov losing 6 straight times in 1st round as #1 player...

seriously...times are not worse now than they were before..

andy neyer
04-04-2010, 08:35 PM
Why wouldn't they know how to hold a tennis racquet grip correctly? Oh my god what a stupid comment...

He's making fun of Start_da_Game.

Orka_n
04-04-2010, 10:02 PM
Stop taking ssj100 seriously. He's been trolling like this for weeks. And sorry ssj, but it's getting kinda old... :tape: Why don't you find another way to make fun of the Nadulltards? I sure like your commitment.

Jimnik
04-04-2010, 10:05 PM
No worries. Soon as Andy gets back into top 5-6, it won't be in shambles anymore. :D

laurie-1
04-04-2010, 10:51 PM
I don't see why certain players have to win every big tournament that's played every year. I think its good to see Roddick get to the final and win Miami. I've also been hearing for some time that Berdych is talented so its about time he got far in a big tournament.

As we are only in early April, we have to wait until after the US Open to really see what the situation is with the top 10, its too early to make a proper assessment.

2003
04-05-2010, 06:05 AM
It has become clear..many top players have stopped trying in MM tournaments i.e Mugray Federer Djokobitch etc.

Thats why it will be known as a turning point in history, My Scam E masters.

Now, we will se a new era of Muggery as many top players bend over and let top 100 players commit buggery for best of 3 set format. Only bringing their A game to the grand scams.

Thats why Bomas Bird Bitch and Givan over the hill Lubed Up Bitch made masters finals.

Savy Wanko is trying, but hes always been a mental mug of the highest order so it doesn't matter. The Russian scam "im so scared to win or the KGB will kill me" Savy Wanko.

oranges
04-05-2010, 06:59 AM
No worries. Soon as Andy gets back into top 5-6, it won't be in shambles anymore. :D

Luckily for us, that won't happen. Time to drop those for him insane clay points for starters :angel:

2003
04-06-2010, 12:49 AM
funny stuff. haas as #2...bjorkman in the top 5. rusedski????
rios...johansson, korda....moya, rafter as #1s? kafelnikov losing 6 straight times in 1st round as #1 player...

seriously...times are not worse now than they were before..

Ownage..

seljanin
04-06-2010, 01:28 AM
Luckily for us, that won't happen. Time to drop those for him insane clay points for starters :angel:

What insane clay points? He has only 360 points (Madrid Masters QF + French Open 4th R) to defend from the last year's clay season :lol:

emotion
04-06-2010, 01:35 AM
come back davy...

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-06-2010, 01:45 AM
come back davy...

he just makes it even more boring. More like come back aus open 08 tsonga/verdasco09/07 gonzo to challenge top 6

andy neyer
04-06-2010, 02:29 AM
he just makes it even more boring.

Yeah, he only beat Federer in London and Doha and almost got him in the AO.... He stands no chance against the best for sure.

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-06-2010, 02:41 AM
Yeah, he only beat Federer in London and Doha and almost got him in the AO.... He stands no chance against the best for sure.

im talking about his game to watch, whch is good live but on t.v boring. Also he has no charisma. Tennis sucks at the moment because boring playes like davydenko/roddick are the only ones playing well

andy neyer
04-06-2010, 02:55 AM
I like Davydenko's game a lot, to be honest. He's probably my favourite player on the tour. I also find him truly outspoken, in spite of his broken English. :) Unlike most players, he can be pretty straightforward and honest about what the truly thinks which are traits I like a lot in a person. I think he has a lot of charisma.

Read my sig.

habibko
04-06-2010, 08:19 AM
Are we going back to the early 00s here? with guys like Gaudio or Johannson type players winning slams? It may be turning out that way eventually

no because:

Federer constantly going out to clowns in tournaments not called Grand Slams

do you even read what you write? as long a player as great as Federer plays GSs there is hardly any chance for a random player to win a Slam, watch AO again, it hasn't been too long you know.

HattonWBA
04-06-2010, 12:26 PM
Rankings are based on players performances and so why not post threads saying -
Player ranked 6 - 20 pathetic
Players ranked 21- 50 Beyond Pathetic
Players ranked 51 - 100 a total embarassment
and players ranked below 100 - hang up the racket and look for a day job

After all if the top 5 or 6 players are shambles does not say much for the rest. I get the point of the thread in regards to lack of domination in the last 2 events but talk about over reacting.