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2010 European clay court season - what can we expect?

Horatio Caine
04-02-2010, 09:16 PM
The commencement of a 9-week stint on European clay is a matter of days away, and I doubt I'm alone in wondering what we are going to witness next. :tape: The Australian swing was perhaps fairly predictable, but certainly the Indian Wells and Miami Masters have served up a number of surprises...notably Ljubo's rise to greatness. :worship:


There are a number of big events on the calendar over the next 9 weeks (Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid, French Open...and not forgetting the widely regarded 'sixth' Slam event in Houston), but who are you expecting to feature heavily?


Will Rafa reassert his dominance on clay? Will Fed quietly go about his preparations for RG and sneak back-to-back wins? Will Djokovic finally find some better form? :o Will Murray be able to improve on last year's unspectacular clay results? Will Del Potro return with a bang? Could Roddick 'shock' the world with another R16 at the French Open? :devil: Will Nalbandian's comeback gain more momentum? ...and which of the other players (the likes of Monaco, Bellucci etc) do you expect to post some decent results?


Discuss!

Certinfy
04-02-2010, 09:16 PM
Djokovic to get back to a good level of tennis.

alter ego
04-02-2010, 09:22 PM
Del Potro to win his first master, Kolya to play his first GS final. . Roger to win Madrid and play the RG semifinal against NAdal (winner will go on to take the title). That's what I expect
Djokovic & Soderling should have good results as well.

TMJordan
04-02-2010, 09:23 PM
Gonna be all Mugro.

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-02-2010, 09:26 PM
A new GS champ. Rafa to dissapoint. Im hoping Blake makes a surprising deep run in RG ;). Fed to win a masters. Roddick to make a clay-semi :cool:

Har-Tru
04-02-2010, 09:27 PM
Federer to beat Nadal at RG for the first time en route to his second consecutive French Open.

You read it here first.

Certinfy
04-02-2010, 09:29 PM
Nadal nor Federer to win RG.

rofe
04-02-2010, 09:36 PM
Seems like Nadal is fit but is short on confidence. MC is one of his favorite tournaments so a win there means another dominant clay season for Nadal.

Murray is still trying to find his bearing on clay so it will be tough for him to play on this surface in addition to coming to terms with his current mental problems.

Djokovic could actually do well because his ground strokes are still quite solid and his serving yips won't matter that much on clay.

Federer will have a repeat of last year where he will probably lose in Rome, maybe win Estoril and go deep in Madrid and RG.

duong
04-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I think that Nadal will get the first part of the season, but how long will his knee hold on ? :shrug:

Federer's main goal is Roland-Garros, I'm sure about that, and he surely secretly hopes that Nadal will have problems before ;)

Nadal's opponents on clay are a catastrophe recently : I'm sorry that Del Potro still looks injured. Davydenko the same. And I don't think current Djokovic can be a threat for Nadal. Monfils also injured :sad: Murray well his goal will be Wimbledon.

I think that claycourter specialists like Ferrer, Ferrero, Monaco have good chance for the beginning of clay season behind Nadal considering all these problems by big guns and the fact that Federer will start later his clay season.

It will also be interesting to see Söderling more often on clay ;)

duong
04-02-2010, 09:48 PM
Federer to beat Nadal at RG for the first time en route to his second consecutive French Open.

You read it here first.

I thought about it a moment ago when I saw Nadal making so many UE, but after tonight's match I'm not confident about that anymore :lol: (Nadal's power is back)

But anyway, Fed's goal is RG, no doubt ;)

Doomach777
04-02-2010, 09:50 PM
Ljubicic RG final 6-0 0-6 6-0 0-6 1000-998 win over nadal
before that :
Ljubo in montecarlo - W-1000
Ljubo in Rome - W-1000
Ljubo in Barcelona - W-500

xD, Im kidding but I think ljubo can make some good results

born_on_clay
04-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Rafa will dissapponit you all

Persimmon
04-02-2010, 09:55 PM
Federer will win RG. Then he will win Wimbledon. Then the USO.

CYGS, baby!

DrJules
04-02-2010, 09:58 PM
Nadal to win Monte Carlo, Rome and RG.

FNT
04-02-2010, 10:03 PM
Rafa will win at least 2 MS tournaments, I'd give him abour 80-90% chance to win RG as well. If he's washed up, the field will be wide open and we'll likely get some really unexpected champions, but Roger will defend RG (if Rafa's done that is).

Everko
04-02-2010, 10:06 PM
Federer to beat Nadal at RG for the first time en route to his second consecutive French Open.

You read it here first.

first and last

FNT
04-02-2010, 10:09 PM
first and last

right on! we all know Nadal won't make it that far.

Luinir
04-02-2010, 10:15 PM
Federer: Estoril and Madrid (at least semi at RG)
Nadal: Monte Carlo, Rome and RG (at least semi at Barcelona and Madrid if he plays)
Others: Barcelona (maybe Davydenko or Del Potro) and other tournaments

philosophicalarf
04-02-2010, 10:19 PM
The way things are going recently we'll have Junqueira duking it out with Volandri in the finals....

duong
04-02-2010, 10:21 PM
The way things are going recently we'll have Junqueira duking it out with Volandri in the finals....

no rather Golubev and Machado, who both beat them today ;) :lol:

Noleta
04-02-2010, 10:30 PM
Juan to be a threat to Fed and Rafa at RG.hope Nole find his game again and Muzza to have better results than last year:)

Horatio Caine
04-02-2010, 10:52 PM
My thoughts in brief:

Nadal - expecting certainly one defeat in his 3-week commitment to Monte-Carlo, Barcelona and Rome, assuming he doesn't withdraw. Madrid conditions aren't most favourable for him, so a possibility that a strong performance from the likes of Fed, Djokovic, Del Potro and Soderling could knock him out there. Will obviously be very tough to beat over 5 sets at RG, but I have a hunch that he will also be defeated there (especially if the weather conditions aren't in his favour...for instance, heatwave predicted for UK in summer :angel: ). So, yeah, I'll be brave and say that he also won't be biting a trophy in Madrid or RG. :p

Federer - expecting similar performances to his 2009 clay court season. Has a shot at winning Rome, and I think he could defend Madrid. Also got a hunch that we will see something 'special' at RG...either a repeat win, or finally an end to his run of 'SF or better' finishes in Slams. I'm going with the repeat win. :)

Djokovic - unless his serving improves (and I don't believe it can be fixed overnight), I believe that he will continue to struggle. Yes, a player with an average serve can be competitive especially on clay, but having a decent serve is an asset on this surface if you can back it up...and it is against these such players that I think he is in danger of struggling. So, I'm expecting him to drop points in the run-up to RG, but he should be able to improve on last year's RG result. I fancy his chances more over 5 sets, so a decent run wouldn't surprise me.

Murray - not expecting to see much improvement in his actual clay court 'game' but if he can find his better form he can still tough out dangerous matches against decent dirtballer opposition imo. Like Djokovic, I rate his chances higher over 5 sets, and I'm expecting R16-QF result at RG again...but I think he will do well to get beyond QF in Rome and Madrid. Could go further in Monte Carlo/Barcelona, although a decent dirtballer is capable of surprising him.

Davydenko and Del Potro - who knows? :shrug: I'm surprised that Kolya is coming back so soon...that might backfire on him. Otherwise, he can obviously notch up decent results, although I wouldn't expect anything spectacular. Del Potro obviously has the capability to score big points in these tournaments, but his wrist is a huge concern...for instance, how would it react to a string of successive matches?

As for others...I'm expecting more from Almagro, and I will be keen to see if Monaco can make more impact in the clay Masters events. It's about time that Schwank does something at ATP level, and certainly Houston and Estoril will present him with a small opportunity...also a chance for Zeballos to wake up. Hoping that Gasquet will start to record better results, but I'm not holding my breath. :o Has a chance in Casablanca, but is likely to suck everywhere else.

duong
04-02-2010, 10:55 PM
what's certain is that it would be far more interesting if Del Potro, Davydenko and Djokovic came back to their best. With Söderling playing well it would have been perfect ;)

But well I guess we will have to miss that :sad:

ImmzB
04-02-2010, 11:00 PM
Rafa to Win Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome & The French Open.

He Would Also Win Madrid If He Plays It.

Horatio Caine
04-02-2010, 11:09 PM
I think that Nadal will get the first part of the season, but how long will his knee hold on ? :shrug:

Federer's main goal is Roland-Garros, I'm sure about that, and he surely secretly hopes that Nadal will have problems before ;)

Nadal's opponents on clay are a catastrophe recently : I'm sorry that Del Potro still looks injured. Davydenko the same. And I don't think current Djokovic can be a threat for Nadal. Monfils also injured :sad: Murray well his goal will be Wimbledon.

I think that claycourter specialists like Ferrer, Ferrero, Monaco have good chance for the beginning of clay season behind Nadal considering all these problems by big guns and the fact that Federer will start later his clay season.

It will also be interesting to see Söderling more often on clay ;)

A nice post. :)

As you say, currently it is hard to see who can actually seriously challenge Rafa on clay (with the exception of Fed, under favourable circumstances)...Del Potro and Davydenko are injured, Djokovic's form is poor, Murray's game isn't good enough on dirt etc. All we can do is hope that the likes of Del Potro and Davydenko will return strong from injury, Djokovic will find his form again, and a player like Soderling will believe that he can play that extraordinary match to beat him. If all of this can happen, it could be a very competitive, and exciting, clay court season. :)


I'm neutral to Murray, but it would be nice if he could win Wimbledon. However, imo, this year he is actually further away from accomplishing this...grass isn't a great surface for him anyway (doesn't move especially well on it, and his defensive nature increases his chance of injury through slips and falls), and at the moment he is especially vulnerable to the strong servers. I'm sure that much of the British general public will automatically look at last year's result (as good as it was) and believe that he can at least match it this year...but, in reality, we all know that he enjoyed a very favourable draw last year, and is surely unlikely to be as fortunate this time around. It will be hard for anyone to come between Federer, Roddick and Nadal (in that order, for me) at Wimbledon for this year as well. :)

Team_Roddick
04-02-2010, 11:11 PM
What I expect is Del Potro to win Barcelona event. :D Or, I wish, I should say. ;)

I really can't imagine Rafa being so dominant this year on clay, although he will be a man to beat.

And I'm hoping for Bellucci's decent clay court season. :)

ZakMcCrack
04-02-2010, 11:19 PM
Federer to beat Nadal at RG for the first time en route to his second consecutive French Open.

You read it here first.

I second that - if only to foil His Serene Highness Everko :aplot:

Everko
04-02-2010, 11:22 PM
I second that - if only to foil His Serene Highness Everko :aplot:

who are you?

Action Jackson
04-02-2010, 11:25 PM
Nadal will lose 1 match during this section as long as he doesn't play Madrid.

DrJules
04-02-2010, 11:27 PM
Nadal will lose 1 match during this section as long as he doesn't play Madrid.

Any comments on which event it is most likely to occur.

andy neyer
04-02-2010, 11:27 PM
I expect:

Nadal to win at least 1 MS, Barcelona and Roland Garros.

Action Jackson
04-02-2010, 11:28 PM
Any comments on which event it is most likely to occur.

Have to see the draws first.

doublebackhand
04-02-2010, 11:34 PM
On clay its still hard to find anyone who can really trouble Nadal, despite his poor performance of late. Federer? Yeah he can beat Nadal but his form has been very iffy of late too, so we will have to wait a month when he shows up at Rome to find out.

Djokovic? His confidence is at a trough right now. Partying after the loss in Miami? Is he really taking it seriously or what? I dont see a u-turn from him in the next 4-6 weeks.

Murray, not a clay courter.

DelPotro and Davydenko, i hope they come back strong from injuries to make the clay season a bit more intriguing. These 2 if healthy can threaten Nadal and possibly win some titles.

Roddick, his goal is Wimbledon.

The final one I am very looking forward to is Roderling, esp if he wins Miami. His game is on right now and has shown that he can do well in RG. Its time to back that up with a good 2010 clay season.

the other spaniards or clay sepcialists, i see them as spoilers more than anything else. they are all Nadal's bitches.

ZakMcCrack
04-03-2010, 12:09 AM
who are you?

I'm Who, Who Cares.:shrug:

leng jai
04-03-2010, 12:16 AM
- A feast for moonball enthusiasts.
- Boredo pointing at the wrong ball marks.
- Roddick losing to a satellite player at RG.
- Nadull caining everyone with ease.
- Fedclown framing backhands out of the stadium
- Fakervic drowning his opponents in drop shots.
- The Scottish dolt accomplishing his goal of winning a match with 0 winners.
- Kader Nouni sexing up the mic.
- MTFers squinting it up trying to see a fuzzy yellow dot on shitty livestreams.
- And as usual, intellectual threads about the important tennis issues.

Jimnik
04-03-2010, 12:58 AM
Same as last year, except for Nadal losing.

DJ Soup
04-03-2010, 01:33 AM
I just want Delpo to come back.

Dyraise
04-03-2010, 02:21 AM
*Nadal will win at least 2 M1000
*Nadal will win RG
*Roger with 0 titles and losing in France before SF.

Jimnik
04-03-2010, 02:23 AM
Real question is, when will Federer lose at Roland Garros to someone other than Nadal?

Don't see it happening this year. Del Potro has the best chance but he might be too rusty.

GugaF1
04-03-2010, 04:35 AM
Quite similar to other seasons actually. Federer will do well on clay, I think the swiss gets tired of playing on Hard courts since is about 70% of the year. And when he gets to clay the challlenge and the nuances of the surfaces do him good. Makes him play a fresher looking tennis. At least I have seen this way over the last 3 years or so.

From the others I expect something similar to last season. The fresh young up and comer player that can be a force in my view is Thomaz Bellucci. Very few are noticing his potential yet, but specially on clay he will be a real force to contend with. Wouldn`t be very surprised if he come out of this clay season as a solid top 20 player...

vn01
04-03-2010, 07:04 AM
My expectations are:
Rafa will play very well on clay this season and I think Soderling and he will have the best chance to win MC.Djoko will not start the clay season very strong.And Del Potro is coming back from injury and won't be very fit,yet.
-So,favourites no.1 and no.2 in MC are Rafa and Soda
Then,Barcelona.Here are 3 favourites-Rafa,Delpo and Soderling.I think that this is Rafa's tournament,but I noticed that Rafa isn't as tenacious as he was before and he will lose may be in semis.Del Potro should find his good form and Soderling-I am not sure he will be able to continue his recent great runs.
-Barcelona-Del Potro wins.Rafa-SF/F.Soderling-QF/SF
Rome-Federer will make a QF or a SF,Nole is unpredictable here.He might lose early,but in the same time he could make the Final,or even to win here.Rafa will not win here-maybe he will reach the Final.Murray will not give his all best and he will lose maybe in quarters.And Del Potro is maybe a favourite here-this will be his 1st Masters 1000 title.
-Rome-Del Potro will be the winner and Rafa or Nole the finalist
Madrid-here I think Federer will give his all best to win and he will do it.Rafa will be semifinalist.Del Potro-QF or SF.Nole will be finalist and Murray-SFs.Soderling also can find his best form before RG
-Madrid-Federer will def.Nole in the final.And Rafa,Murray,Delpo and Soderling will battle to get in the SFs.
And Roland Garros-I am not so sure that Rafa will win.It depends on the draw.For example,if in his part there are Murray and Roddick.Federer's only threat through the final route will be Del Potro.Nole cannot defeat him in 3 best of 5.Murray-QF.Nole-QF and SF.Soderling-at most QF
-RG-So here the top favourites are Federer,Nadal and Del Potro but the draw will give us more clarity.

LinkMage
04-03-2010, 07:13 AM
Nadull to win MC, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid and RG. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

It would be better to fast forward to the grass season.

HarryMan
04-03-2010, 11:17 AM
The way Nadal has been playing so far this year, he is going to dominate the clay court season yet again. His demise is exaggerated. From the results this year, nobody seems to be able to beat him from the baseline and if you can't do that consistently for 2-3 hours (in best of three set match and more in best of five), you just can't beat him on clay.

paseo
04-03-2010, 11:30 AM
Roddick will do well.

Kolya
04-03-2010, 11:56 AM
Davydenko wins RG with a broken wrist.

rocketassist
04-03-2010, 12:06 PM
Nadull to win MC, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid and RG. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

It would be better to fast forward to the grass season.

He'll win all four bar Madrid which he won't play.

RG reminds me... thank you Robin. :bowdown:

Johnny Groove
04-03-2010, 04:06 PM
The King will return to his throne.

MrChopin
04-03-2010, 04:25 PM
The way Nadal has been playing so far this year, he is going to dominate the clay court season yet again. His demise is exaggerated. From the results this year, nobody seems to be able to beat him from the baseline and if you can't do that consistently for 2-3 hours (in best of three set match and more in best of five), you just can't beat him on clay.

Davydenko did more than hang with him. Murray did a pretty good job as well.

***

I expect several crushing losses for Djokovic (to Nadal), several early crash outs by Fed, and several titles to Nadal.

Guy Haines
04-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Quite similar to other seasons actually. Federer will do well on clay, I think the swiss gets tired of playing on Hard courts since is about 70% of the year. And when he gets to clay the challlenge and the nuances of the surfaces do him good. Makes him play a fresher looking tennis. At least I have seen this way over the last 3 years or so.

From the others I expect something similar to last season. The fresh young up and comer player that can be a force in my view is Thomaz Bellucci. Very few are noticing his potential yet, but specially on clay he will be a real force to contend with. Wouldn`t be very surprised if he come out of this clay season as a solid top 20 player...

I've been noticing. Not only is Bellucci in the running for Most Improved, he's hot as hell. Definitely looking forward to seeing him at some Masters events. With Safin gone and Simon knock-kneed, the ATP needs Bellucci for some matinee idol appeal.

His game has improved since playing Nadal well at RG a few years back. Still needs to be more solid, but I like the mix if leftiness and classic style.

Nole fan
04-03-2010, 07:06 PM
what's certain is that it would be far more interesting if Del Potro, Davydenko and Djokovic came back to their best. With Söderling playing well it would have been perfect ;)

But well I guess we will have to miss that :sad:

You sum it up for me. :yeah:
Seriously i hope Novak will rise his level, last year he was a delight on clay and the only real contender for Rafa.

Nole fan
04-03-2010, 07:08 PM
He'll win all four bar Madrid which he won't play.

RG reminds me... thank you Robin. :bowdown:

So you didn't read his last press conference? Nadal said Madrid is in his schedule. :cool:

PiggyGotRoasted
04-03-2010, 07:21 PM
I reckon Federer to win a MS def nadull, soderling to win one, davydenko will come back from injury and when he does he will get a big win or two or three against the top 6 and maybe win a MS/good run in RG, nalbandian will play himself back into form and will have a semi final run in rg (L to ??) and we will have a totally random winner of RG that isnt any of the current top 5.

delpiero7
04-03-2010, 07:27 PM
The theme from the 1st 2 masters will be continued for the most part in the clay season IMO.

MC Final: Nadal def Sodermug 6-1 6-2
Rome Final: Nadal def Roddick 6-3 6-1 (3rd MS final loss of the year for Duck)
Madrid Final: tendonitis/Isner def. Nadal 6-1 4-0 ret.

RG Final: SoderKING def Nadull 6-2 6-0 6-1


It's obvious really.

Start da Game
04-03-2010, 07:51 PM
The commencement of a 9-week stint on European clay is a matter of days away, and I doubt I'm alone in wondering what we are going to witness next. :tape: The Australian swing was perhaps fairly predictable, but certainly the Indian Wells and Miami Masters have served up a number of surprises...notably Ljubo's rise to greatness. :worship:


There are a number of big events on the calendar over the next 9 weeks (Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid, French Open...and not forgetting the widely regarded 'sixth' Slam event in Houston), but who are you expecting to feature heavily?


Will Rafa reassert his dominance on clay? Will Fed quietly go about his preparations for RG and sneak back-to-back wins? Will Djokovic finally find some better form? :o Will Murray be able to improve on last year's unspectacular clay results? Will Del Potro return with a bang? Could Roddick 'shock' the world with another R16 at the French Open? :devil: Will Nalbandian's comeback gain more momentum? ...and which of the other players (the likes of Monaco, Bellucci etc) do you expect to post some decent results?


Discuss!

restoration of order at the french!

nadal will not be as dominant this season as some of his previous clay seasons but ultimately he will be the one who prevails........truly a genius on clay........all he needs to ensure is full fitness........

i expect some good showings by djokovic and del potro(if he returns fit by then) as well.......

Arkulari
04-03-2010, 07:58 PM
Rafa to win 3 clay events + RG, I don't think he's winning Madrid either, but MC and BCN #6 are practically a given :)

DrJules
04-03-2010, 08:16 PM
The players do have the advantage of knowing Nadal has lost at RG and Nadal will not have the same level of invincibility at RG since Soderling:

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Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-03-2010, 09:07 PM
Nalbandian will return to form, beating Nadal at Monte Carlo and launching the greatest bandwagon in MTF history.

Rafa will take the remaining MS titles.

Murray will start out pushing as usual but it won't get him anywhere and he will try and attack a bit more, getting some slightly better results in the process.

Djokovic can't serve and will continue sucking.

Federer will tank every single Masters except possibly Madrid. He will automatically tank any match where he is one round away from Nadal. Then at RG he will go all in for the win against Rafa in the final, a possible CYGS and sporting immortality.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-03-2010, 09:12 PM
You sum it up for me. :yeah:
Seriously i hope Novak will rise his level, last year he was a delight on clay and the only real contender for Rafa.

Heh. Please explain how Novak was the "only real contender" for Rafa, when:

1 He couldn't beat an off form Nadal.

2 He is 0-9 against Nadal on clay.

3 Unlike Novak, Roger did beat Nadal.

4 Roger won RG.

5 Roger won the most clay points and the "King of Clay" title.

neptunium
04-03-2010, 09:54 PM
Murray to play MC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8601708.stm

Nole fan
04-03-2010, 10:38 PM
Heh. Please explain how Novak was the "only real contender" for Rafa, when:

1 He couldn't beat an off form Nadal.

2 He is 0-9 against Nadal on clay.

3 Unlike Novak, Roger did beat Nadal.

4 Roger won RG.

5 Roger won the most clay points and the "King of Clay" title.

Nadal was never off form until RG where he first had problems with his knees, actually Nadal won all the previous clay tournaments minus Madrid (that he lost to Fed when we all know the real final was the semis between him and Djoko). So, yes, Federer did shit up until Madrid and then of course he had the easiest path to win RG because both Nadal and Djokovic were out due to exhaustion, injuries and mental fatigue.
Novak made the final to three of four clay events and semis in Madrid. RG doesn't count because we all know that by then both Djoko and Nadal were left with nothing else on the tank.

Certinfy
04-03-2010, 10:39 PM
Roddick to have his best clay court season to date.

Hellraiser
04-03-2010, 10:43 PM
Wawrinka, Seppi, Blake, Chiudinelli and O. Rochus a good CC season.

DrJules
04-03-2010, 10:52 PM
Nadal was never off form until RG where he first had problems with his knees, actually Nadal won all the previous clay tournaments minus Madrid (that he lost to Fed when we all know the real final was the semis between him and Djoko). So, yes, Federer did shit up until Madrid and then of course he had the easiest path to win RG because both Nadal and Djokovic were out due to exhaustion, injuries and mental fatigue.
Novak made the final to three of four clay events and semis in Madrid. RG doesn't count because we all know that by then both Djoko and Nadal were left with nothing else on the tank.

:spit:

Does not invalidate the result.

malisha
04-04-2010, 12:16 AM
i expect shitty clay season for my favs just like every year

ZakMcCrack
04-04-2010, 12:17 AM
:sobbing:Nadal was never off form until RG where he first had problems with his knees, actually Nadal won all the previous clay tournaments minus Madrid (that he lost to Fed when we all know the real final was the semis between him and Djoko). So, yes, Federer did shit up until Madrid and then of course he had the easiest path to win RG because both Nadal and Djokovic were out due to exhaustion, injuries and mental fatigue.
Novak made the final to three of four clay events and semis in Madrid. RG doesn't count because we all know that by then both Djoko and Nadal were left with nothing else on the tank.


Alrighty then, too bad that of all these tournaments (mere interludes) it's just that confounded RG where one is supposed to climax over the course of the clay season...but yeah, go on...:crying2:

FNT
04-04-2010, 12:31 AM
Novak made the final to three of four clay events and semis in Madrid. RG doesn't count because we all know that by then both Djoko and Nadal were left with nothing else on the tank.

Yeah, the only GS on the surface doesn't count because two morons couldn't get their schedules right. I love MTF logic!
Look, you can't make decisions on what matters and what doesn't because Rafa and Nole didn't make the final or semi-finals there. Tennis world doesn't revolve around them, it revolves around different tournaments' prestige and value, both of which were set before Rafa/Nole were there. Your perception of tennis might revolve around two guys, but it just means that you're delusional - nobody cares about what they did a couple of weeks ago if they can't deliver in the biggest stage, it only means that they were careless with their schedules.
It's their problem that they couldn't win the most important clay tournament of the year, it's not the tournament's fault.

-Valhalla-
04-04-2010, 12:33 AM
Regarding Rafa, I'm not so sure Monte Carlo and Rome are slam dunks. If guys like JCF, Ferrer, or JMDP get hot, Rafa might get tight again and choke away the 3rd sets. Plus, he'll have added pressure to deal with because everyone EXPECTS him to win.

malisha
04-04-2010, 12:38 AM
what might be as important as winning against top guns on clay is in what style is Rafa going to beat mugs

last year he was losing way too many games for his standard...only Kiki Rochus,Nico Lapentti and Hewitt at RG was destroyed
all the other mugs gave him a match more or less..and it was the first sign that hes not at his best

it will be interesting to see if a guy like Marcos Daniel can get 12 or more games in RG 1. round

Topspin Forehand
04-04-2010, 12:40 AM
Rafa dominating as usual.

Persimmon
04-04-2010, 01:09 AM
Federer did shit up until Madrid and then of course he had the easiest path to win RG because both Nadal and Djokovic were out due to exhaustion, injuries and mental fatigue.

RG doesn't count because we all know that by then both Djoko and Nadal were left with nothing else on the tank.

That's what GOATs do:wavey:

Singularity
04-04-2010, 01:11 AM
Novak made the final to three of four clay events and semis in Madrid. RG doesn't count because we all know that by then both Djoko and Nadal were left with nothing else on the tank.
Given Djokovic's slam performances, post Australian Open 2008, I don't there's any reason to blame fatigue for his defeat, unless you're talking about the general sort of fatigue he seems to suffer from.

.-Federers_Mate-.
04-04-2010, 01:19 AM
Djokovic qf at mc, 3rd round at rome, sf at Madrid, qf at RG. Average results for him. Cant see this changing for a while

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 07:05 AM
:spit:

Does not invalidate the result.

cannot brush aside the truth either.......

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 07:09 AM
The players do have the advantage of knowing Nadal has lost at RG and Nadal will not have the same level of invincibility at RG since Soderling:

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that clip simply doubles the weight of what nadal fans have been suggesting regarding that french loss........it's blazingly obvious in that clip that rafa could hardly put any weight on the right knee........

i wish soderling falls in his quarter once again this year at FO so that rafa can give him a real hammering.......

orangehat
04-04-2010, 08:16 AM
Soderling to win RG :rocker2:

DJ Soup
04-04-2010, 09:30 AM
i wish soderling falls in his quarter once again this year at FO so that rafa can give him a real hammering.......

the damage is already done bro. He lost that match.

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 11:08 AM
the damage is already done bro. He lost that match.

the whole world knows what a fluke victory it was.......rafa made soderling's life by not retiring mid way through the 3rd or 4th set when he could hardly pressurize that right knee.......

Certinfy
04-04-2010, 11:10 AM
the whole world knows what a fluke victory it was.......rafa made soderling's life by not retiring mid way through the 3rd or 4th set when he could hardly pressurize that right knee.......
All this BS about Rafa's knees in that match comes back :o Lets face it, Rafa didn't play a bad match, fair enough he was no where near his best, but he played a good match.

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 11:17 AM
All this BS about Rafa's knees in that match comes back :o Lets face it, Rafa didn't play a bad match, fair enough he was no where near his best, but he played a good match.

what bs? an all time great like federer couldn't threaten rafa once in 4 chances.......one of the most impressive double-fisters today, djokovic(the so called bad match-up who handles nadal's high kickers well) couldn't win a set in 3 times........

you think a clown who starts spraying the ball 1 meter wide if you just make him move side to side for 30 minutes, can take care of nadal at the french open?

why don't you consider watching that match 10 more times and figure out for yourself how poor his movement was that day? did you see how he stood to serve in that 3rd and 4ht sets? he could hardly put any little weight on that right knee.......

nadal just made soderling's life at least meaningful by not retiring mid way that day.......

Certinfy
04-04-2010, 11:20 AM
I have watched that match 10 times, just too funny. And wow all these excuses by Rafa fans, lets face it, Nadal played good, Soderling played great, that's about it! No need for all these stupid tard excuses! Nadal retiring that day? :haha:

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 11:26 AM
I have watched that match 10 times, just too funny. And wow all these excuses by Rafa fans, lets face it, Nadal played good, Soderling played great, that's about it! No need for all these stupid tard excuses!

what excuse? that is the REASON why he lost and you too know it unless you think he skipped queen's and wimbledon for fishing in mallorca........

paseo
04-04-2010, 11:29 AM
i wish soderling falls in his quarter once again this year at FO.......

Me too. On second thought, I wouldn't mind if Del Potro fall in there instead.

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 11:32 AM
Me too. On second thought, I wouldn't mind if Del Potro fall in there instead.

i won't be surprised if del potro, djokovic, soderling fall in nadal half and murray, davydenko, hewitt in federer's half for FO.......

Certinfy
04-04-2010, 11:37 AM
what excuse? that is the REASON why he lost and you too know it unless you think he skipped queen's and wimbledon for fishing in mallorca........Ur taking it in the wrong way FFS, I know his knees were fucked up prior to Wimbledon, but against SoderKing he didn't play as bad as ur making it seem...

Certinfy
04-04-2010, 11:38 AM
i won't be surprised if del potro, djokovic, soderling fall in nadal half and murray, davydenko, hewitt in federer's half for FO.......Nadal will lose one of those matches :rocker2:

dusan1610
04-04-2010, 11:40 AM
Djokovic to defend Belgrade! :)

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Ur taking it in the wrong way FFS, I know his knees were fucked up prior to Wimbledon, but against SoderKing he didn't play as bad as ur making it seem...

there will come a day when nadal will finally lose to a better player at french, but to elevate that fluke victory of soderling is a serious disrespect to nadal and also all the competitors like federer, djokovic, coria etc. who fought tooth and nail and still couldn't find a way to beat him in a best of 5 sets match on clay.......

paseo
04-04-2010, 12:09 PM
Wouldn't in be funny if Fed wins RG and Nadal wins wimbledon? Or would it be bad?

A_Skywalker
04-04-2010, 12:21 PM
Gaudio to win RG

oranges
04-04-2010, 12:22 PM
there will come a day when nadal will finally lose to a better player at french, but to elevate that fluke victory of soderling is a serious disrespect to nadal and also all the competitors like federer, djokovic, coria etc. who fought tooth and nail and still couldn't find a way to beat him in a best of 5 sets match on clay.......

For the love of God, stop that BS. He was beaten quite handily by the better player that day. If it makes you feel better to keep repeating fluke, you need counselling.

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 12:37 PM
nadal haters would obviously be in denial because they have been fantasizing a nadal defeat at french open since 2005.......they suffered for 4 years until they finally got some relief in 2009 through a fluke victory of a ball basher.......

disagreeing 1000 times doesn't turn a truth into false........truth remains that nadal couldn't play to his ability as he was injured.......

Getta
04-04-2010, 12:54 PM
that clip simply doubles the weight of what nadal fans have been suggesting regarding that french loss........it's blazingly obvious in that clip that rafa could hardly put any weight on the right knee........

i wish soderling falls in his quarter once again this year at FO so that rafa can give him a real hammering.......

the whole world knows what a fluke victory it was.......rafa made soderling's life by not retiring mid way through the 3rd or 4th set when he could hardly pressurize that right knee.......

what bs? an all time great like federer couldn't threaten rafa once in 4 chances.......one of the most impressive double-fisters today, djokovic(the so called bad match-up who handles nadal's high kickers well) couldn't win a set in 3 times........

you think a clown who starts spraying the ball 1 meter wide if you just make him move side to side for 30 minutes, can take care of nadal at the french open?

why don't you consider watching that match 10 more times and figure out for yourself how poor his movement was that day? did you see how he stood to serve in that 3rd and 4ht sets? he could hardly put any little weight on that right knee.......

nadal just made soderling's life at least meaningful by not retiring mid way that day.......

what excuse? that is the REASON why he lost and you too know it unless you think he skipped queen's and wimbledon for fishing in mallorca........

i won't be surprised if del potro, djokovic, soderling fall in nadal half and murray, davydenko, hewitt in federer's half for FO.......

there will come a day when nadal will finally lose to a better player at french, but to elevate that fluke victory of soderling is a serious disrespect to nadal and also all the competitors like federer, djokovic, coria etc. who fought tooth and nail and still couldn't find a way to beat him in a best of 5 sets match on clay.......

nadal haters would obviously be in denial because they have been fantasizing a nadal defeat at french open since 2005.......they suffered for 4 years until they finally got some relief in 2009 through a fluke victory of a ball basher.......

disagreeing 1000 times doesn't turn a truth into false........truth remains that nadal couldn't play to his ability as he was injured.......


you need some heavy regulation, or at least stop talking rubbish.

and i'm a Nadal fan.

oranges
04-04-2010, 12:54 PM
:rolleyes: He lost, excuses are for pansies, move on. Next RG is around the corner

Nole fan
04-04-2010, 01:24 PM
Djokovic qf at mc, 3rd round at rome, sf at Madrid, qf at RG. Average results for him. Cant see this changing for a while

What results are you taking into account? :shrug:
Last year he made the finals in MC, Rome, SF in Madrid, won Belgrade and had an early exit in RG, not exactly average results, mate. It was an stellar clay court season if you don't count RG. Yeah, say what you will.

FNT
04-04-2010, 01:31 PM
I love the excuses for Rafa.
The dude made two tie-breaks, one of which he won I think 7-1. I don't think he was injured and barely able to move during that one. Neither was he standing in one spot during the deciding TB when he lost, Soderling's shots were just too good for him that day. Think logically, Nadal was feeling good enough to win 24+ points to take 6 games during the 4th set, why was he all of a sudden dead in the breaker?
Such a load of horsecrap.

paseo
04-04-2010, 02:06 PM
What results are you taking into account? :shrug:
Last year he made the finals in MC, Rome, SF in Madrid, won Belgrade and had an early exit in RG, not exactly average results, mate. It was an stellar clay court season if you don't count RG. Yeah, say what you will.

You mean The Nole Open? No, no... that one doesn't count.

Nole fan
04-04-2010, 02:16 PM
You mean The Nole Open? No, no... that one doesn't count.

Ok, so we don't count Basel for that matter? Or Barcelona? :scratch:
A tournament is a tournament.

And that without counting that in 2008 he made semis in MC, he won Rome, semis in Hamburg, semis in RG. So yes, I'd think Nole is a serious contender for Rafa in clay.

Everko
04-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Novak will recover, I expect him to make a few finals in the clay season and giving Nadal a stern test.

Persimmon
04-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Wouldn't in be funny if Fed wins RG and Nadal wins wimbledon? Or would it be bad?

We have seen Fed dominate Wimbledon and Rafa dominate RG. Then Rafa won both FO/Wimbledon in 2008 and Fed followed by winning both FO/Wimbledon in 2009. The only thing that hasn't happened is Fed winning just the FO in one year and Rafa winning just Wimbledon in one year. :scratch:


What results are you taking into account? :shrug:
Last year he made the finals in MC, Rome, SF in Madrid, won Belgrade and had an early exit in RG, not exactly average results, mate. It was an stellar clay court season if you don't count RG. Yeah, say what you will.

But Nole's results this year at IW/Miami weren't as good as last year, what if we extrapolate? Maybe his results during the clay season in 2010 won't be as good as last year then.

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 04:46 PM
the depth of fantasy of a nadal defeat at the french is just ridiculous in this forum........people are not even ready to agree with something which they saw with their own eyes........

soderling got bitchslapped on a fast hardcourt on the new year day this year and we have these fantasy kids suggesting that soderling outplayed nadal on clay.......

get real.......federer, djokovic, coria, gasquet of old, hewitt, moya etc. have all played lights out and took it to rafa........no one could take him down........

nadal will eventually lose to a better player.......no need to be vehemently foolish and suggest 1000 times that nadal was outplayed by a ball basher who got straight setted on a hardcourt when nadal was just fit and moving well.......

a loss is a loss, agreed.......nadal was injured and soderling played well enough to beat him........that's it, nothing more than that.......

Persimmon
04-04-2010, 04:48 PM
Then maybe Rafa should have retired from the RG match vs Soderling if he was so injured.:rolleyes:

Start da Game
04-04-2010, 04:57 PM
Then maybe Rafa should have retired from the RG vs Soderling if he was so injured.:rolleyes:

that's what i said earlier........it would have opened the eyes of some of these mr.objectives.......he kept playing when he could easily have retired.......

even if he somehow limped past soderling, davydenko would have eaten him off in the next round........then everyone would have been hailing davydenko.......

it just happened to be soderling that day.......the real rafa-beater at the ultimate clay event is yet to be seen.......

FNT
04-04-2010, 05:28 PM
OMG this is ridiculous. Whatever, some people are really too far gone.
Can you explain, though, if Nadal was so dead and buried, how come he won 37 points in the 4th set, hitting 10 winners with 5 UEs and breaking Soderling? How come he did that?
Stop your bullshit propaganda or at least take it elsewhere. Nobody here believes in it anyway.

philosophicalarf
04-04-2010, 09:30 PM
the depth of fantasy of a nadal defeat at the french is just ridiculous in this forum........people are not even ready to agree with something which they saw with their own eyes........

soderling got bitchslapped on a fast hardcourt on the new year day this year and we have these fantasy kids suggesting that soderling outplayed nadal on clay.......


Duh, exhibition. Never mind the minor point about Soderling's form - he lost his next two matches to Ginepri and Granollers.

mark73
04-04-2010, 10:53 PM
Federer will loose in the semis to nadal at RG, causing EVERKO to have a massive orgasm. :eek:

timafi
04-04-2010, 10:53 PM
we can expect Roddick to get bounced early in Europe until July comes

mark73
04-04-2010, 11:10 PM
the whole world knows what a fluke victory it was.......rafa made soderling's life by not retiring mid way through the 3rd or 4th set when he could hardly pressurize that right knee.......

i feel your pain. :sad::sad::sad::sad:

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-05-2010, 04:34 PM
Soderling just had a very good day. I don't think many (if any) really believe he can consistently beat Nadal on clay. These ballbashers blow hot and cold. Some days all the bashes go in, other days (eg against Berdych) they go into Row Z.

pica_pica
04-05-2010, 04:37 PM
What to expect in this clay season? How will Rafa's confidence be after that RG upset and on-going knee problems? This is the biggest question....

marcRD
04-05-2010, 04:50 PM
1)Federer's semifinal streak will be broken against Davydenko/Del Potro in RG QF.

2)Söderling to get to a clay master series final and atleast to RG QF but at most RG SF.

3)Nadal to win RG even with knee problems after a long clay season and then withdraw or lose in early rounds in Wimbledon.

4)Del Potro to win a master series title

5)Djokovic kind of getting things together, will get to a Roland Garros final.

6)Federer just barely still nr1 with Nadal just behind him after RG.

7)Nadal will not win the Monte Carlo-Barcelona-Rome trio this year, his knee will break down after a hardfought final against Ferrer in Barcelona (where he will win) and he will lose in early rounds in Rome.

8)Federer could possibly defend his Madrid title and Nadal wont play there.

9)Roddick could get to RG QF and a SF in a clay master series in both Rome and Madrid

10)Murray will fall out of the top 6 and wont get to QF in any tournament during clay season.

pica_pica
04-05-2010, 04:57 PM
1)Federer's semifinal streak will be broken against Davydenko/Del Potro in RG QF.

2)Söderling to get to a clay master series final and atleast to RG QF but at most RG SF.

3)Nadal to win RG even with knee problems after a long clay season and then withdraw or lose in early rounds in Wimbledon.

4)Del Potro to win a master series title

5)Djokovic kind of getting things together, will get to a Roland Garros final.

6)Federer just barely still nr1 with Nadal just behind him after RG.

7)Nadal will not win the Monte Carlo-Barcelona-Rome trio this year, his knee will break down after a hardfought final against Ferrer in Barcelona (where he will win) and he will lose in early rounds in Rome.

8)Federer could possibly defend his Madrid title and Nadal wont play there.

9)Roddick could get to RG QF and a SF in a clay master series in both Rome and Madrid

10)Murray will fall out of the top 6 and wont get to QF in any tournament during clay season.
Sounds quite possible to me. Though I will be more prudent about Nole :o considering his current form.

Action Jackson
05-02-2010, 10:12 AM
Nothing too out of the ordinary yet.

Horatio Caine
05-02-2010, 10:50 AM
:lol: Agree.

Although I think had predicted that Rafa could lose once over the Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Rome stint...since he didn't play Barcelona I would void my prediction. :p

As for losing in Madrid...still possible.

But losing at RG? Not looking terribly likely. :o
But if we get more hot, dry conditions, and an inspired player in the frame of Soderling, Berdych, Gulbis etc...who knows? :)


Ferrer and Verdasco winning plenty of matches isn't really a surprise, although both have probably exceeded many posters' expectations over the last few weeks (certainly mine).

Not too much of a surprise that Federer has already struggled, and Murray has showed no signs of improvement on this surface.

Also fairly expected that Djokovic's results have improved (considering his US hard courts form), but that he still isn't good enough to replicate last year's clay court results.